MMA Fighting - UFC Jacksonville: Smith vs. Teixeira Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: May 14, 2020

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The second of three fight cards for the UFC this week. UFC Jacksonville is officially a wrap, and what a fight card it was, capped up by Glover Tashira finishing a very tough and gritty Anthony Smith in the main event. Hello there, everybody. I am Mike Heck alongside the whole crew here. We have Jose Young's live from Jacksonville, Mr. Alexander Kay Lee, and E. Casey Liden.

This is the official UFC. Jacksonville live virtual post show right here on mmafighting.com. We're going to get into the fights, all the action in a moment, but we want you guys and gals who are watching right now to get involved with the festivities here. So questions, comments, reactions, you know, fantasy matchmaking ideas coming out of tonight's event. Feel free to leave in the comments. We'll try to get to as many as we can while we are live.

But Jose, I want to start with you. Let's get right into this thing. We'll get into the main event in a moment, but what would be your overall letter grade for the UFC second event over a five-day? fan. Ooh, second. Later grade, I'll say, like, B minus C plus. It didn't have

the, like, it didn't have the epic feeling of the history making of U.S.U.S. 240. Of course, there, anytime there are a bunch of heavyweight fights that go to a decision, people seem to roll their eyes. I don't, I didn't mind that was by specifically

the Ben Rockville ball I really enjoyed. All in all, it was a really good was a good fight night. but it wasn't 249. It wasn't, as Dana White called it, a home run. It was a really good follow-up show to see the history making 249. So I'll say B-minus C-plus. Not phenomenal, but nonetheless, fights happened, and I know people are excited.

Alex will go to you. I mean, Jose said it wasn't a home run per day, like Dana White said after 249. But I would say it was a pretty solid ground rule double all things considered. Would you agree with that sentiment? I might grade it a little bit harsher than the both you. I mean, I think the B, B minus is fairly accurate, but I think actually the proximity to 249 heard it because I think because they were so close together

and 249 was so eventful, the fact that this card was, again, solid, but nothing, I don't know if anything's really going to stand out from this card. Maybe I have to, you know, when we review it, it'll something will jump out at me. But I think it needed that weak gap, that normal gap you have between events to kind of feel special on its own,

As it is, I don't know, I was telling you guys earlier, I was already feeling a little bit worn down by how many fights there have been in the last four days. But a good effort from everyone on the card for sure. Casey, what was just off the top of your head? What's the biggest thing that stuck out overall with tonight's card compared to UFC 249? It felt like a fight night. You know, I guess it just felt like it felt like one of those fight nights that, you know what, I'm not doing anything this Saturday.

I'm just going to watch this random fight night, which in a sense, this is what it always was. It was just a fight night that was going to be in Nebraska, I feel. And it was something, though, it was one of those things. Like, if you don't have any plans, you'll stay on and watch. And I think the fact that this is a Wednesday night, when there really are no weekends anymore right now, or at least for a lot of the world, it feels that way.

So it felt like a fight night. I'd even, actually, to be honest, I'd even notice there was no crowd. Yeah, I would agree with that. So let's talk about how this night ended. Jose, we'll start with you. Glover Tashira, incredible performance against Anthony Smith. Smith started out well.

Momentum of the fight shifted for sure in a big way. Glover had a pair of 10-8 rounds in a row before the fight was mercifully stopped in the fifth round. Before we get into the other stuff surrounding the fight, and I think you all know where I'm going with this. Let us give credit and props to the 40-year-old Glover-Teshira because that showing was outstanding. Was it not, Jose? Oh, it was unbelievable. The exact performance we ever needed. I mean, we did the preview show, and even the eighth side, we talk about, like, Glover has had a really weird career where he's strung together, low-key, like a pretty impressive win streak, and no one was really talking about it, given the state of the light, heavyweight division. And even, like, looking back on who lost to, like, he lost to Cory Anderson, which is, like, no slaps whatsoever. But it just feels like you would expect Glover to win a fight like that. Like, a Glover that showed up tonight would beat Cory Anderson. I'm not.

saying he every time, but he would obviously show put on a better performance than what he displayed in fights that he's lost. So up and down career in terms of the title fight, but this was a pretty spectacular performance. The lack of fans really made this fight feel intimate, especially because so much of the fight was not at range. It was in close proximity, both on the feet and on the canvas. So, but yeah, stellar performance from Glovercher in a fight he was really desperate, really needed to put on a. to find the performance of a career that he pulled off. Alex, I will admit, and I apologize for this.

I did not read your predictions column today. I really wish I did. I know with watching the fight play out, actually, my little brother texted me and he said, Glover's my boy right now, so I assume that he made money off of Glover. But I didn't expect, I mean, I expected a pretty wild fight,

but I thought Anthony Smith would come out on the other side here. What say you, did this fight go as you thought it would, or were you surprised with the result? Oh, wait, wait, hold on. You didn't read my predictions? In that case, I went 10 for 10. Yeah, I predicted every fight exactly when it would end, which ones would go to a decision, what round the finish has happened in.

Don't go back and read it. I'll just give you the gist of it now. Yeah, pretty much I got everything exactly right. No, but actually the main event, I predicted the opposite of what happened. I said, you know, Glover's the older fighter. He's not going to keep up the pace. And so at first, I was like, oh, Anthony Smith's pushing the pace. It's super accurate.

This is going exactly as I thought it would. but then he's the one who kind of tired out. And DeSherra was patient. He really uses energy well. So I got the call, actually, exactly the opposite. And I said, Smith will get the late finish. He looked fantastic. Glew's a big night for the 40-plus community.

I mean, good Lord, between Arlowski. We'll get into that in a moment. And we'll Gloverett Desherrida did tonight. I mean, that was an unbelievable performance. Got the finish in the f***. It's a guy who doesn't get finished very often. I mean, what did you take away from that fight in that performance.

All the 40-year-olds or the main event? The main event. We'll get into all the 40-year-olds anymore. Well, first, as I was watching, I just realized, I think about eight, go back a little bit, about eight years ago, when the UFC had their first card in Brazil, the first paper view,

I actually saw Glover fight in Chuto Brazil on, I think, Friday night. And he fought like at the, what do you call Paula Tiago, the secret police. He fought like there. And I remember watching him fight there. And I was like,

that guy's old. And I just think, Lever to Cher is just one of those guys that was just born old. Like, he just, like, and I'm actually a little bit older than him, which is,

I think it's insane. And, yeah, just, just a veteran, like, experience when that by just veteran toughness,

controlling that cardio, just, almost a bit of a, kind of remind me of Yoa Romero since that he just, doesn't waste energy. He just kind of shells up, moves his arm,

blocks the shots. And then when it's time, to go, he kills. And that's what it was. And he finally landed that, boop, big uppercut that we thought that, that thank goodness wasn't an actual eye poke, because that would have been a big shame if that was an eye poke. But luckily, it looked like that was a 100% clean shot. And just, I'm not, I'm not shot. I'm just pleasantly surprised. I just, you know, nothing surprised me. I mean, I picked Anthony Smith to win, but if Glever was going to win, this is pretty much how he would do it. Of course, a lot of folks,

And I wouldn't say it overshadowed the performance, but a lot of people are talking about Anthony Smith's corner and whether or not they should have called this fight after the fourth round. And I have a ton of respect for Mark Montoya. But when a fighter tells you that his teeth are falling out between the fourth and fifth rounds, I mean, that has to be a telltale sign that your fighter just doesn't have it or, you know, whatever he had, it's no longer there. So, and we're speaking from the outside. we're not fighters, we're not coaches, but I think even Daniel Cormier and Paul Feldor and everyone involved with that broadcast and everybody on Twitter, fighters included, all felt the same way. Alex, you know, how are you feeling probably, you know, probably from the beginning of the fourth round heading into the fifth?

How did you feel about the whole situation? Do you believe that this fight should have been stopped before the fifth round started? Well, look, even before we started getting the, you know, should the corner stop the fight, I was amazed that Jason Herzog was letting it go on. You know, I don't know if this was a reaction to, you know, some of the stoppages that happened on Saturday. I mean, I think, you know, I didn't have any issue with the, not too much of an issue with the Keith Peterson, Dominic Cruz, Henry Suita situation. I know Casey feels differently. But I do wonder if Jason Herzog was a little more cognizant. It is a main event. I know referees have

said that sometimes they do kind of referee to context. You know, maybe they're not supposed to maybe they're supposed to stick to a stricter guideline. But definitely when it comes to main events, I think you will see some referees allow for a little more leeway when it comes to how much punishment of fighter takes. So then we come to the corner and man, I was shocked. I was shocked. Even before we heard, we clearly heard on the broadcast, Anthony Smith say, I'm losing some teeth, my teeth are falling out. Even before that, we were wondering, just in the middle of the round, you know, you got to be able to tell sometimes your guy just doesn't have it. Now, like you said, we're on the outside looking in. We don't understand how these things go sometimes. I'm seeing a lot

of compliments being tweeted by the UFC social media. Dominic Reyes tweeted Smith, Lionheart suits you, you know, and I think hearing those kind of things from his peer is obviously going to a lot of matter a lot more than from outside critics. But if it were up to me, of course, if I was this corner, I would have said there's just no way. There's no way this guy can go on. It just isn't that that Hail Mary finish is not going to happen in the fifth. Yeah, it was just a, it was a tough night for Anthony Smith. And Jose, I don't know if you, if you watch the fight. I know there's a lot going on back there, but Daniel Cormey made an interesting point that not having the crowd as cool as it was for us watching on

television, we get to hear the echo and stuff. But he feels that was kind of a detriment to Anthony Smith because when you hear your corner shouting out, one, one, two, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. You're just throwing up this energy. And the coach, and the fighter's going to listen to everything that your coach says, especially a guy like Mark Montoy, especially a guy like James Krause. And Daniel Cormier felt like that kind of drained Anthony Smith's gas take. What do you think of that take from the former light heavyweight and heavyweight champions?

Well, obviously, a former champion is going to have a better take on this. the scenario than me, but it's hard to say. I haven't spoken with Anthony, so I don't want to speak for, I don't want to speak for him and saying that's what Brandon, but it makes sense. I could hear Alex, we could hear Glover and Anthony talk in the fight. Like, they were

against the fence and Love to Share is literally apologizing to Anthony Smith in the middle of the fight. He's saying, I'm sorry, part of the job, and Anthony Smith is like, eh, it is what it is, man. So it's like, I'm sure the lack of fans played a fact. to the point where his opponent is literally apologizing in the middle of the fight. But I do want to speak on what you asked AK, we just said with that, I got to go.

It's in a way to see it. So I'll give you my opinion later. You ditching one bald man for a much more powerful bald man? I see how it is. I'll carry on for there because I wanted to bring up. I wanted to bring up one of the last times we had one of these corner stoppage controversy. Well, even while there was a Thomas Gifford one. which also involved, actually, I believe this, some people from this team, from Anthony Smith's team.

But before that, there was the Raquel Pennington, Amanda Nunez fight. Was a Raquel Pankton, Manna Nunez won? Yeah. Where, you know, obviously her corner didn't, she didn't want them to throw in the towel. And when she was interviewed after, she said, I stand by. She said, I would just would not have wanted my corner to do that. Even having had a chance to kind of review what happened, having a few days to, you know, look back on her performance and what happened to that fight. She still said, no, I would not have wanted them to do it.

So I have a feeling we will hear the same thing from Anthony Smith. Now, does that make it right? Does it make it wrong? That's a whole other discussion. But I think when we hear comments from the corner and from Anthony Smith, they're going to be on the same page as far as how this one turned out. Some news here. The performance bonuses have been awarded.

Fight of the night goes to Brian Kelleher versus Hunter Azure. And then Drew Dober and Glover to Chera get the performance of the night's bonuses. I'm surprised Kelleher didn't get the clean sweep. Here. Wow. Hold on. Well, hold on. I liked the, I liked the Ricky Simone Ray Borg fight. I thought that, I mean, Brian Kelliher and Hunter Azure were also good. Is it possible that the crystals made the difference? No. No. No. Because, you know what? I'm only doing this because I have to be impartial and Jose isn't here to do it. Everyone knows Jose and Team Crystal, okay, look, they feel they're responsible for helping some of these fighters' success. Brian Callagher, last time was boosted from the, the preliminary card to the main card. He thought it was the crystal energy, and now he gets a fight of the night bonus, and a

huge knockout of Hunter Azure. So I don't believe in it. I'm telling you guys not to believe in it, but just speaking objectively, Brian Keller, her likes crystals, he's had some good fortune lately. Let's leave it at that. I was waiting for it. I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming.

I get one a show. I get one show. Oh, I love that. First of all, I appreciate Oscar Willis jumping in at different points to, to to make faces and go over Jose's shoulder, whether on the left or the right side. But, you know, we talk about matchmaking after these events, and I know I saw a comment on the screen earlier.

Dan D., I think his name was. If I got it wrong, I apologize. But Glover Tosherr versus Tiago Santos was his suggestion. So what do you think about that, Casey? Glover versus Santos. What windstreet is Glover on? It's very sneaky. That's four now.

Yeah. I said, you know what, that's one of those fights is you're kind of surprised. Oh, well, I guess they've been in different weight classes for so long. I'm kind of surprised they've never fought, but why not? Now, the thing is, but the UFC is, would they give Glover, would they ever give Glover a title shot, do you think? Like, no matter what he does, or is he one of those guys that would just keep knocking out contenders, rather, or a title shot? Do you think the UFC will, or rather, we're with John Jones and the UFC ever, except a rematch of Glover? And I'm not talking to sporting sense.

I'm only talking in the money since. Because that does make sense, Glover versus Santos. But if Glover does win, he knocks out another potential rematch for John Jones. That's the only reason I'm asking. Yeah, I would say he's probably going to have to put himself in a position where there is just no other option. Like, he's going to have to extend that street to like six or seven, keep finishing guys. Like we fights Tiago Santos and finishes him and then fights, you know, another guy that, a Reyes or a Blahovitch or something like that, which he'll probably end up facing one of those two

guys at some point anyways, then I think there's no choice. I mean, that's just kind of where it is right now. He can't move back. He can't be fighting guys like like Rackich and Johnny Walker and those guys he needs to be fighting guys that are right there, like guys who just fought for the belt over the last couple of years. These are the fights that need to be made right now after a win like that. So that's kind of how I feel. AK, what do you think about that? You agree with me or do you have another take on this? Well, I mean, well, before we're asking about his win streak, if you ignore John, if you consider John Jones's win streak to have been snapped by the no contest with Daniel Cormier, then Grover,

Glover is now tied. Glover is now tied with Magamette Ankalayev and Ryan Span, actually, at four straight wins for the longest UFC light heavyweight win streak. So it's getting hard to deny him. My opinion would be that he has to just stay ready for a short notice call. That feels like the best situation for him to get a title shot. They definitely will not be going out of their way to try and book that. A fight with Tiago Santos would be cool.

I've been lobbying for Dominic Reyes, Tiago Santos, but I don't know if Reyes feels that he needs to take that fight. And you mentioned kind of the same problem. Either way, we're knocking contenders out of the picture if someone wins. So I don't know how you get to do that or do that. But I don't think to share a title shot is out of the question. As I mentioned, he has one of the last. longest, light heavyweight winning streaks. He's a veteran. He's somewhat of a name. And I think there's enough distance between the first Jones fight and if they ever fight again,

that it wouldn't be like out of the question to be able to sell it at least a little bit. Danny D. agrees with your sediment, Alex, that Borg versus Simone should have been the fight of the night. I think a lot of people might agree with that as well. But if you missed it, Kelleher versus Azure was the fight of the night tonight. And then Dober and Tashara get the performance of the nights. And we're going to get to over in a minute, but let's talk about this co-main event in the heavyweight division. We have Ben Rothwell versus Ovenstain Prue. Ovenstay-Prew, we talked about weighing it at 240 and a half pounds during the weigh-in show and during the preview show coming up from light heavyweight. And this fight had it all. I mean, both guys are in trouble. Both guys are digging deep. Was it

the prettiest fight of all time? Of course not, but it lived up to what the matchup was. Like, when this matchup was booked, we were all like, huh? Really? And then the fight kind of played out exactly like that. Alex, what did you think of Big Ben versus OSP in the heavyweight co-main event? Is there ever a pretty Ben Rothball fight? He has some pretty finishes, or any of his fights pretty all the way through? I don't know. I think that's what we love about him. I think that's what we love about him, right? He's not the most stylish guy. He's not the most, like, explosive athlete. You know, he doesn't always look elegant in there. But somehow the guy just gets it done and just keeps getting back in that cage and picking up wins. This was, this was fight number 50 for him.

So, you know, he always gives you something to see. It was definitely an inconsistent fight. You know, there was bouts of explosiveness. There was bouts of entertainment. And there was moments that were, I think, as our Damon Martin described it in his recap, as a little grueling. There were certainly moments that were grueling. But I thought it was a convincing win for Rothwell.

The split was a little surprising, though I guess one of the judges gave OSP the second round. There was a late knockdown or Rothwell said it was a slip after. It looked like a knockdown to me. But otherwise, I thought it was a good win for Ben. He's now won two straight. And for OSP, maybe just stay at heavyweight. If this was my first time ever seeing him, I would not have, I would not believe you that he could even make light heavyweight. He looked, he looked really big. Yeah, so I was going to ask you

anyways, so thank you for doing that. But Casey, what do you think about OSP? We're going to get to Ben Rothwell and the call out after. But do you think he sticks at heavyweight or does he go back to making those, you know, seeing him at 240.5, he's probably cutting a ton of weight to get to get down to the light heavyweight limit. Do you think he just sticks around at heavyweight at this point? Yeah, I think heavyweight is where he should be. I feel like he's a guy. He's one of those, he's one of those fighters. He doesn't really, he's somebody doesn't take a lot of damage during fights. So I feel like he can kind of fight often, maybe four times a year, no weight cuts. He looked, you look pretty durable. And like you said, he looked like a heavyweight. He just,

I think lost, I mean, it was, I mean, I think, I'm looking at MMA decisions. I scored up for Rothwell. It looks like, it looks like about 18, 20 journalists also scored up for Rothwell so pretty vast majority but it was obviously a competitive fight and you know this is his first fight and and maybe uh osp's next fight can be against one of those smaller uh smaller uh smaller heavy weights you know so uh so maybe he'll actually have the size advantage but i mean but he went against it a giant of a man for your first heavyweight fight and it seemed uh it seemed to kind of affect him toward them toward the fight you know he was really labor and breathing hard but somehow I mean, OSP, like, even though from his striking, he only hits you from the left side.

You know he's only a threat from the left side. He was still doing damage. And somehow there's something about OSP's footwork that still is giving everyone trouble. And yeah, I hope he stays a heavyweight. It's fun. Yeah, Casey, you mentioned him he should fight a smaller heavyweight. I think we mentioned this a few times. But he came in at 240, which was of the six heavy weights on the card, he was heavier than three

them. So there are definitely smaller heavy weights out there for him to fight, on this card even. After the win, which you just knew that fight was going to go to a split decision? You just knew it, just based on the formula here. But Ben Rothwell calls out Alexi Olenik, who screws up my on to the next one plans to have Olinic-Facea-Rosin-Strike after UFC 249. But I do not hate that matchup at all. Alex, your thoughts of the idea of Ezekiel Choke versus the go-go sometime in 2020? And again, just that amount of experience. I mean, when we saw Verdume and Olinic step in there, we were like, oh, this is two guys, a lot of fights. Now you throw in Rothwell in Olinic.

I mean, this is kind of what the heavyweight division is. I think at this stage, the UFC heavyweight division and sort of in the mid tier, not quite near the top five and not quite near the bottom 20, you know. It's these veteran guys, these veteran guys who put on weirdly entertaining fights. And again, sometimes inconsistent. I think Olinic, Verdun was very much the same way. there was some excitement with the way Olinic fought him. And then there was also moments of, oh, my gosh, nothing's happening. So I think Olinic Roth was a very logical matchup.

I thought your Jairzino suggestion was good as well. But, yeah, if the UFC did decide to listen to Big Ben and say, yeah, okay, two veteran guys, two guys with some interesting stand-up and also with some good grappling, throw them in there. Let's keep this unofficial Legends Division going, you know? It's interesting talking about the weight is that Alexi Olinic weighed in like 15 pounds lighter close to it. than OSP did. Casey, you got to be loving the idea of Rothwell versus Olenic. That seems like right up your alley.

As long as the UFC shows Rothwell's walkout. I got to say, I was a bit upset. We went to a commercial break, so we didn't have, you know, Rothwell walking out in an MD arena. I was hoping he walked out to empty arena have his cloak on. Like no music, just like, joan, just that you hear his footsteps. And he just, it was like, oh, hey, Rubella, a dog. Dogs are sleepy. I'm annoying him.

But yeah, I want to see, hopefully the war gets a little bit normal, and we can actually have more of a build-up, not just kind of like, let's just throw this fight on, let's just see if it happens, you know? I love, yeah. I think Olinick Rothwell is a very entertaining fight, and it sounds like a great co-main event for any future fight night. Casey, you are joining us right now. This is the UFC Jacksonville Live Virtual Post Show on MAAFighting.com.

Mike Heck here, being joined by Alex Kee Lee, E. Casey Lided and Jose Youngs will be popping in and out from Jacksonville. He's listening to Dana White, who is at his post-fight press conference right now. So he probably doesn't even hear what we're saying right now. But interesting tidbit thus far from Dana at the presser. The May 23rd event, which was scheduled to take place next Saturday, which reportedly is going to be headlined by Tyrant Woodley versus Gilbert Burns has officially moved to May 30th. So that is not happening next Saturday as plan. It's going to go the following Saturday, May 30th. And he also said that if it's not in Vegas, it's going to be somewhere else.

So May 30th will be the new day for that card. So I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. From what I understand, Gilbert Burns and Tyre Winley haven't even signed contracts for that fight yet. I feel like I believe it's verbally agreed to, but the last I checked, Penn has not gone to paper. And I think this is probably why. And another interesting thing on the broadcast before we get back to the fights was they did a little promo for Nunes and Spencer for that UFC 250 fight. And then they put up the graphic and they said location TBD, but they also said date TBD.

So that one is slated for June 6, but we don't even know if it's going to happen June 6th. They're the 13th or whatnot. So things are going to get wild over the next few weeks. Are they not? They're wild right now. I don't think we need to wait. I know. I just think that's, I don't even know what to say.

Like, we have supposedly the highest level athletes in the world, the toughest fire. in the world and we're like, hey guys, two weeks somewhere-ish and show up. And, yeah, pay your 60 bucks. There you go. It's a new world. It's a new world. Look, there's nothing normal about MMA. We know this.

We all know this. And that's why we love it. That's one of the reasons why we love. There's nothing normal about it. So anyone who was thinking that the UFC coming back was a return to normalcy? No, guys, UFC coming back is a return to chaos. The chaos that we all know and love that is produced by MMA and the biggest MMA promotion in the world. So this is what you wanted, guys.

This is what you wanted. This is what you asked for. This is what we have to deal with. This is the stuff that we love covering for better for worse, warts and all. Fights booked on dates, events just completely being moved around. This is the life we chose. So, well, I hope you guys enjoy the chaos being back in your lives. Okay.

And feel free to leave your questions and comments, reactions to tonight's chaos in the comment section. we will get to those. Back to the card. How about Drew Dover tonight? Huge win for him in a fight that lived up to all the hype everyone presented on social media and otherwise I saw improvements in both guys. Hernandez came out a lot more aggressive than I thought he would be. He landed early, but Dober was eventually able to find his timing. He really started to cut off the cage and land big shots. And Hernandez was, as Jim Ross would say, the legendary Jim Ross was tougher than a $3 stake out there. But Herb Dean made the right call and stopped the fight in the second round. for Drew Dober, Alex, who is becoming a problem in a loaded lightweight division.

Yeah, this is one fight that I actually did predict correctly. I said Dober striking was just a little bit sharper than Hernandez is at this stage in their careers. Hernandez is not a bad striker, but compared to how well, how good Dober has become in his last like two or three fights, he is a striking game. Like those hands had become so sharp. And he's become one of those guys where he's got, he's got that kind of knockout power that doesn't come from him, you know, throwing haymakers or throwing, throwing

wild like he's got this precision you know it's it's that old that conno regger saying precision precision beats power and all that um dober has that precision he throws good combinations he's got amazing timing he just looks so advanced i think he's uh what 30 31 years old so he's really kind of just entering his prime as an mhmate fighter and we've got a real contender here you know this isn't just a guy who it puts on entertaining fights this is a guy who legitimately i feel like could be in the top five uh of the uc by the end of this year early next year yeah i mean just engage you could both be in the top five. How about that? Teammates getting after it. But Casey, Dober wants a big fight. He's going to

when he wakes up Monday or Tuesday morning. That was the big thing that was said in the broadcast after the fight. He mentioned Paul Felder. I don't think that one happens, but you got to appreciate the shot call by Mr. Drew Dober. And to me, and maybe I'm just plugging what the heck that drops tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. But it's got to be Diego Faheda, rebooking that one from the postponed OKC card. Top 10, you know, top 10 guys. who's on a streak himself, but any fight involving Drew Dover

is something people are going to watch. What do you think should be next for a guy like Drew Dober after that performance tonight? Definitely Ferrer. Ferrer is one that makes total sense. Why was that fight actually canceled? Was Pereira not able to make this fight?

You'll have to watch. You'll have to watch what the heck tomorrow. Let's just say he was unpleasantly surprised at the booking. Let's just say that. Yeah, I think, yeah, Dober. He's just coming into his own. He just looked great tonight.

No, I'm not a, I don't know if he's going to be a top five guy. I don't know if he's going to be top 10, but he's definitely an exciting action fighter, a unique personality, a guy of a great smile. What was his walkout song, Alex? Dober? Yeah. He came out to this how we do that. Hernandez came out to, uh, Common.

Common. Yeah, okay. Yeah, Dover come out to this is how we do it, which is the second best walkout music in the night. Okay. behind return of the back, of course. So, no, I just think Dober's just a great, just a good, just another great fighter for the UFC's super deep, lightweight roster. And, yeah, I'm just like,

Diego Ferrer makes a lot of sense, but heck, you know, Feltor is a little too far away. I think Feltor wants, I think he's a little bit too big a little bit too big a name right now. I think Feltre doesn't want to go that way right now. But, yeah, Diego Farrarer. Let's see it. Yeah, and by the way, Hernandez picked up a W in the WACO. battle. The common walkout was better than this is how he doing. I love this how we do it as much as

the next guy. But Hernandez won that battle. He didn't win the fight. And he's lost two out of three. He got thrust. And this is a big story. He talked about a lot. He got thrust into the top 15 after the Darius knockout in his debut. He's never really had the chance to develop and build his way up the division. And a step back to me makes just a ton of sense. I know he was supposed to fight Omar Morales at the UFC 249, April 18th iteration. and that's no easy fight after we saw today by any means. Also, he's mentioned in the past a desire to drop to 45, drop to featherweight. So that could be an option as well.

So Alex, if you had the proverbial pen here, what do you do with a guy like Alexander Hernandez to try to build him back after dropping two of his last three? Yeah, I hope they don't do the wrong thing with this guy. Look, I understand what, like we said, he had that derrush knock out. And then he looked great against Olivier Obin Merci, another guy who is a kind of kind of a prospect. So he kind of won a prospect versus prospect battle. But he should have stayed in that range fighting guys like OAM, right? But instead, because of the Daryush win, you know, a two and O star, one of them was such a quick knockout. You're right. He got he got thrust into it.

He's got a great look, great physique. I think if you kind of look at a certain angle, he almost reminds me a little bit of George St. Pierre bodywise, right? And if you're the UFC, you notice that too. And that's the sort of thing. You would love to push the top of the card, which they've kind of tried to do with him, unfortunately. So yes, the right thing to do, definitely have to take a step back. Don't stage North. cut this kid. Give him some real. Give him, you know, knock them down, not knock him down a peg, but definitely bring down his, the matchmaking a notch. There's so many good lightweights, like Casey said, it's such

a deep division. I would say, don't put him with another veteran. I mean, there's guys like Armin Sarukian. That's another prospect. I'm just looking at names here. I can't quite recall if anyone was supposed to have a fight coming up. I guess nobody does now. Davy Ramos would be a good opponent. Nazat Hakk Brass, who just came off a loss to Dober. You know, maybe pair them up, that'd be a good battle. There's a lot of guys around his level who also, you know, need building up that I feel like it doesn't hurt them to throw them in the cage with each other. So, yeah, Hernandez definitely still a prospect, just not quite where Dober is development-wise yet, but he could get there. Yeah, it's kind of interesting to think back at the Soroni build-up

and that fight and that fight and the press conference and how that fight all played out. And, you know, whatever momentum he had just kind of vanished. And he had the fight with Trinaldo, which a lot of people didn't think he even won that fight. He was very confident that he won that fight, but a lot of people felt that he got some home cook in there. But, you know, Hernandez is obviously a very interesting personality. And I think he, he rubs people the wrong way, especially with the buildup with the, with the Saroni thing. So I kind of wonder what his career would look like, had that fight not gotten booked for that Brooklyn card, but it is what it is. And Hernandez has to go back to the drawing board. We talked about Ricky Simone,

getting back in the wind call. And that was a great fight with Ray Borg. Big win for Tiago Moises. But how about, since we were talking about the 40 plus club, how about Andrea Lof, the ageless pit bull picking up a win over the very tough and debuting Philippe Lins, had a lot of hype coming over from World Series of fighting, a millionaire, or the PFL, excuse me. I think a lot of people expected that fight to go down the way it did, but it's nice when a guy like Arlovsky looks to be done. People are kind of writing him off. He's on his way out, and then boom, he comes back with a huge win.

Casey, where did you think of the pit bull's big win tonight? You know what? I think I was like a lot of people. I'm just kind of expecting Arloskey just to get knocked out really bad and like build up this upcoming prospect or with Lens. We don't have a prospect, but like build them up. And it just isn't happening. But I think every fight we're kind of just waiting for Arlowski just to get you, because you see these images, you know, of when Brett Rogers knocked out Arlossi, when Fadoor knocked out Arlowski, you know. So we just had that mental image.

We've seen him like just that line. No, that's like, what's like 10 fights in a row? He's like what? like not 10 wins in a row, but like 10, I think these said like nine straight decisions. So like, okay,

the whole thing, he ain't got a chin. All right, we're, we're, that's, that's all news. It's just,

man, like, he just, he looked in great shape tonight. He's talking about that awesome beard. His quarantine beard was sharp. It's like, wow.

I mean, I, actually, I scored the first two rounds just based on the beard. It was just amazing. And, um, yeah,

he, he was able to, he was able to handle the speed of lens. And, um, he adjusted and, he won a smart not exciting but very Arlowski decision victory and he's still he's still around he's still doing it yeah speaking of guys who uh looked good physically and performance wise how about chase

sherman coming back to the ufc the vanilla gorilla back in the octagon back in the ufc winter circle and apparently back on twitter as well it's a it was a nice surprise to see chase sherman back on twitter one of the one of the best one of the best twitter fun of the best twitter follows in MMA for a long time. He's back. He had a nice win over. Ike Villeneueva finished the fight in the second round. And what stuck out to me was Sherman comes out. He was very methodical early on. But you could tell he was starting to get a little reckless in there. He's starting to get into a dog fight with Villeneueva. And at the tail end of that opening round, Villanueva was starting to land. And I thought it was a great cornering right there, heading into the second

round to completely turn the focus back to how that fight began. He comes out in the second round. He picked villain away or apart, finished the fight. Alex, what did you think of the vanilla guerrillas returned to the Octagon a night to kick off the festivities? Yeah, former meme lord, Chase Sherman looked good. This is, for anyone who doesn't know, this is actually his fourth straight MMA win. This was his return to the UFC, his first time fighting in the UFC since September 2018.

He was fighting for island fights. He won a bare knuckle FC title last year, later last year, and then he lost it to a fellow UFC veteran Joy Beltran. But he's been busy. You know, I know a lot of people, I saw some comments like, Chase Sherman, he's still fighting or, or I thought the UFC cut this guy. And I said, yeah, they did cut him quite a while back. And now, now some fighters, you know, they get cut and they never find, they never really find their footing in the regional scene. They never find a way to develop outside of the UFC.

But Chase Sherman did it somehow, you know, I mean, he got good matchups. Again, bare knuckle boxing. It's just a different flavor. Maybe that sort of revitalized him just a change of pace thing. And he came back and he looked amazing. He was so accurate. I mean, he was the bigger guy, but he used his size as he should. his striking was on point.

And he looked awesome. And then he had maybe the post-fights beat each of the night, where when Daniel Cormarie asked him, how does it feel like that first UFC win in so many years? And he said, you know, have you ever, if you ever done an order to 10-piece chicken wing order and then ended up getting 11 pieces? I mean, that's the way. It's awesome. That's the best way I can put it.

And he did not bless us with a meme in his return to Twitter. But he did write chicken wangs and a gorilla emoji for himself. So Chase Sherman is definitely back. Yeah, that was the moment I knew he was really back. Was that coming? One of the nominees for promo of the year thus far. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's early, but who knows what the hell is going to happen.

But I feel in a way of a game debut. He went in there completely outsized and did his thing, took a lot of heavy leg kicks, but kept throwing bombs. And him going back down to 205 is obviously going to be the best thing for him moving forward. But, you know, six days notice to go in there. You finally get your UFC call. He went in there and, and, did work and in props to both of those guys, Chase Sherman, back in the wind column and back

in the UFC. But how about my fellow ball, the Crystal Crew member, Brian Boone Callagher, now $50,000 richer with his fight of the night against Hunter Azure. And what an interesting fight that was because Hunter came out on fire. He was landing a lot of different shots, but you could tell like the momentum was starting to swing in Callagher's favor in the second round before he landed that just ferocious hook to put Azure down. And I thought the referee should probably should have jumped in there a little sooner.

It is what it is. Big win for Brian Kelleher. Thoughts on that, Casey Lydden. You know Brian very well from his many A-side appearances. I'm just because I feel like I know him. So just on a personal basis, I'm just happy for him. I don't know Hunter. So I'm like, oh, it sucks for him. But I guess I know Brian. So I'm just happy for him. I think that's two back-to-back bonus. Is that back-to-back bonuses? Yes. Did he get a bonus? Do he got a bonus his last fight, too? Yeah, for the Osborne submission. Unbelievable. Yeah. So, yeah, like I say, start off a little slow. And then, oh, oh, yeah, start off a little slow.

And, yeah, you just look great. And I don't already know what's next for, Brian. Actually, but I think the most interesting part about this is that these are two 35ers that got the fight at 45. And I think that's awesome. And I wish the UFC would do that to almost all their fights, if that's I have title fights. in these special pandemic times where training is much more difficult, weight cutting is more dangerous and more difficult.

I wish UFC would just let all these guys go up a weight class, train harder, don't worry about the weight cut, and fight more exciting. And I think it was a super exciting fight. And like D.C. said, when your chin touches your shoulder, that means you got hit really hard. Yeah.

Azure is a legit prospect, too. He looked really good. Yeah, he looked really good in that fight. is striking vastly improved. He looked great on the contender series. He's getting better and better. So I expect big things out of him. I believe Jose is back with us.

Is that the case? Right here. We got you, Jose? Right here. He's here. He's left the building. All right. Let's talk about that, Jose.

We talked about Dana White confirming the May 23rd card is now May 30th, whether it's in Vegas or somewhere else. But some of the takeaways, you're going to watch, you guys are going to be able to see the whole video on the M.AFighting.com. YouTube page sooner rather than later of Dana White's scrum tonight. But what were some of the big points that stuck out to you? Well, first of all, speaking of the main event, he floated the idea of a Reyes,

go over to share a fight as a number one contender fight, which means I would assume he's leaning towards Jan Boehovic and the John Jones fight. He floated it. He obviously says, like, I like that idea, but nothing is official yet. Confirmed Gaghi Habib will most likely be in September, not the summer considering what's going on with Habib, with his father specifically. I asked him about the Conne McGregor tweets

and he just goes, Habib's playing Justin. That's the end of it. I don't want to hear any more of it. Interestingly enough, I don't know if you noticed Stephen Espinosa, one of Dana White's best friends, as you know, announced that Bellator in short time are going to be running cross-promoted events, so possibly like

MMA versus a boxer or just like M&A and boxing on the same day, similar to how Bellatory did those kickboxing and M.A. Showsonauton left. It says good luck to him. That's pretty much it. I was very surprised Anthony Smith's corner of letting him come out for that final round. Dana White said the crowd was so quiet that he had to do doing everything in his power not to like screen stop.

Right. Because like Dana's words could very easily sway the referee or one of the judges. So he said that was a challenge. But yeah, I think the big one, the big pull from that is me 30th. He said 100% May 30th, if not Las Vegas, somewhere else. Ray is Glover. He likes the idea. Habib Justin in September.

And then, of course, he likes Blind Keller's performance. He made a note of the live betting in the Kellerher fight. Kelleher got all the way up to like plus 300, two minutes before the knockdown because of how the fight was going. You can now bet live. And the odds skewed all the way to plus 300, two minutes later, Brian Kelleher gets to knockout. So he won a lot of people, a lot of money.

I'm sure you guys, if you haven't, it's probably on this YouTube channel now, if not sooner, of Brian gave a shout out to his tiger's eye that enemy fighting gave him. So yes, that's two straight bonuses. This wasn't a performance bonus. This was fight of the night bonus for Azure. And it's a little bit of a bummer for Anthony Smith for taking a beating and not getting a fight of the night bonus. Or even a lot of people online likes the Olvenson, crew fight, Ben Raffalo was also entertaining as always

on the presser but yeah, lots of pull from the day of the press conference. And you have to do Keller versus O'Malley now. Like you just have to do it. The buildup is there. It's like Randy Orton. Randy Orton was the legend killer.

And then he got to the Undertaker. You know, Calhers become the Contender Series killer. Let's let him fight together. Oh, I get you guys in a second, folks. So I guess Jose's out of here. Glover. Do you say Glover? Glover's coming up.

I wonder if Anthony Smith's coming up. I would assume he probably got transported. Let's hope so. Yeah, yeah. Official word on that, yeah. But if you guys get comments, questions, throw him in there. I did see one comment that. It was, yeah, if you want to pull that out.

I lost it, but let me throw some other ones up here. Well, before we get to Marco's comment in question, it was about the fights without the fans. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's trying to like him because it's really fascinating to hear the corners and, you know, the fighters being able. to hear Cormier and the commentators and stuff like that. But I got to say, and I'm not trying to be a jerk at all, but I don't miss the fans. I don't. I mean, there's parts where, like, I wish the

fans are there to, like, erupt to a specific moment. But just being able to, like, focus on the fights themselves has been kind of refreshing over these last two fight cards. Like, we're not hearing the wooing. We're not hearing, like, a fighter going up for their post fighting getting booed out of the building because they didn't agree with the decision. Like, I kind of think this is kind of, this is refreshing in a way, but I know what's going to change. This is just trying to find silver linings in a tough situation, but I don't really miss it at all. But anyone disagree with me on that? Sorry, Mike. I'm in the middle of writing a post about Mike Heck, colon. I don't miss the fans. I hope they never come back. I think this will be our lead story in the morning. It'll lead right

to the end to what the heck. It's going to be good. It's classic M.A. Media right here. Just twist my I look, the words are, the words are what came out. That's all I'm saying, all right? You said them. It's not my job to provide context. Well, look, I mean, for us, for us watching, for sure, watching from home, it's a very cool experience, you know, like we said, there's just so much stuff you could hear, even that the in-fight chatter. There was some, like, really funny exchanges, stuff that was unsettling, like I said, some of the stuff we heard, and then Anthony Smith, Glover to share a fight. So it gives a different look. The impact of the hits, you know, I'll definitely add on Saturday. day, the Gitchie Ferguson fight, man, you thought you knew how hard Gitch you hit, then you saw that fight and you heard those punches. It was crazy. So it was a different experience. I don't know. I wouldn't say it's better.

I think there definitely is something to the energy that a crowd brings. Some of these fights, the crowds would have been going nuts for them. Like we said, the Keller fight, the Ray Borgue-Simon fight. So it's different. I don't know if it's better. And there's certainly aspects of it that I'll, that I will miss, you know, whenever we get the chance to have fans back in arenas again. But watching from home, yeah, there's a lot of positives to this different atmosphere.

Yes, and that's what I meant. Thank you very much for making me look better there. Marco's question was thoughts on Smith's coaches. And I think we touched on that earlier. I think we're all in agreement that that fight probably should have been stopped at least heading into the fifth round. But again, this is kind of tough with the structure of MMA right now. And I think this has been brought up on many different occasions. And I think this is probably the third time that Mark Montoya and his team,

team have been questioned. Like the Gifford one was one of them. Tonight was another one. And I think Eric Anders, I think Montoya was cornering Eric Anders when he fought Cleo Roundtree. And Roundtree was just rocking his world for pretty much that entire fight. And he was just getting leg kicked and dropped. He got dropped like four times in the second round. So people thought that the fight should have been stopped heading into the third. But, you know, we're not fighters and we're not coaches. And the way that pay structure is right now, you know, you got show money and you got win money when you have that in the mix and you have a chance to double a paycheck and you ask a fighter whether or not they want to stop they're not going to tell you they want to stop because

they if they feel like that Hail Mary is in there to double their money they're going to go for it and you can't blame them for that but you know that this is a whole different podcast for another time talking about pay structure and mama that's the problem that's kind of the way i look at it every once in a while you like stop the fight but then you see anthony like throw away no a technical hard combo you know he wasn't like wobbly so there was like these moments you're like, oh, there's a chance. But it's just because it's like we saw it one time. We saw one comeback one time.

And we just, we're always kind of just, that's kind of what MMA's kind of selling point is. One punch changes to fight. One, you know, one anything and just turn to fight, you know, the other way around. But yeah, it was just, it's very wishful thinking. And, yeah, it's, yeah, it was unfortunate. It was unfortunate. And I love Jeff. Who's the rough?

Sorry, Jeff. Herzog? Herzog. Yeah, Herzog. Jason Herzog. Yeah, Jeff Herzog. His brother. Jason Herzog.

He's actually a great ref. And he did something, he almost gave too much respect to Anthony Smith, I felt like. And I don't want to say it was the latest stoppage, much like Keith Peterson. That wasn't the earliest stoppage I've ever seen. Like, this wasn't the latest stoppage, but it was on the later end of the – Because at some point, like, you just, Anthony Smith, he's not coming back. You were just, you were watching, okay, one more shot, he'll stop the fight. And he didn't stop the fight, you know?

So, but I hope Anthony Smith is okay. I hope this doesn't keep him out too long. And I wish you got, I hope he gets some extra money. Yeah. That's a tough way to make a living. Yeah, especially during these times. That fight was rebuked a couple of different times. And, you know, he was coming back from that gnarly handbreak.

And then everything that happened with the home break in and all that stuff. Like, that guy has just been through a lot. This fight was supposed to be a break. on the bottom of my screen asking, go to share a question right now, but we can't hear him. You'll be able to see that all later. So we got,

oh, he's asking a question. Sorry, Jose is asking. Yeah. So again, we're probably going to wrap this up pretty shortly here at this point, but if you guys got other questions, comments,

concern, from them in there, we'll try to rapid fire some. While we're waiting, can we mention, can we talk about Tiago Moises? How have we not talked about Tiago Moises yet?

Holy crap. That's probably one of the best submissions this year. You know, we talked about him facing the Mercurial, Michael Johnson at this point, if anyone knows what his career, should just change his nickname to the mercurial Michael Johnson, because I just can't write about him or talk about him without using that word.

He's just, his resume is just full of so many peaks and valleys. It's crazy. And this fight was almost a microcosm of his whole career. He looked sensational in round one against Moises. He was lighting him up. I mean, he just had him backed up the whole time. Moises had no answer on the feet. And then Moises, to his team's credit, right out of the gate in the second round, that I think

they told him, you better. shoot in. Don't strike with this guy. Go in. Attacks that leg like a like a Rottweiler. Get, gets Michael Johnson down. I think it was what, within 25 seconds gets a submission. Yeah, 25 seconds into the second round. Because it gets a what did we say? Achilles lock. I know he'll, they announced heel hook. Yeah. Some sort of, some sort of anchor lock, yeah. Yeah, it gets a submission. So one of the best submissions of the year. But I mean, you just saw it there with Michael Johnson. Look great one moment. The next moment, you know, it's no shame getting tapped up by

Tauggo Moises. But again, still, it looked like two, different fights if you look at those two rounds. So congratulations to Tiago Moises, though. He didn't get a bonus, eh? Yeah, he didn't get a. No. You should have. I mean, again, but 249 was the same way.

I mean, there are so many guys that deserve bonuses. Submissions, grappling heavy fights, submission fights rarely get the extra cash from Dana. It's kind of, it's a bummer. Because as half I am for Crystal Crew, Brian Keller, I did agree. I thought Ray Borg and Ricky Simone was the highest, the most technical, most the highest level fight in the uh and the uh the tonight's card it was like it was truly mixed martial arts there was everything striking wrestling jiu jitzu right takedowns getting back up you know it was it was a it was a great fight and uh and even at the last the last 15 seconds they basically did the

whole like that's fucking raw you know and they i'm bummed and um it's a great fight and there no mallet though no mollet but speaking of no crowds how about the fact that we could hear them talk to each other during the fight yeah it's amazing did you hear that one big moment. Like I couldn't make up with this set of first, but I think, I believe ESPNMMA said that it was, go ahead. Yeah, yeah. I think Ray Borg said, like, let's go, kid. And Ricky Simone said, I'm older than you.

Yeah, it was something like that. ESPNMMMA said that Ray Borg said, you look like me. And then Ricky Simone's response says, no, you look like me. I'm older than you. I think it was something like that. Just hilariously. But, yeah.

I think I'm speaking with Ricky Simone over the next 48 hours. So I'm really interested to pick his brain on what actually happened in there. Some of the things that are actually set in there. So really looking forward to that as he's back in the wind column after a couple of tough losses to Rob Font. And then the Uriah favor fight. So interesting, 135 is just so good right now. It's just such a good division. Last call for questions.

Oh, well, I want to say about the Michael Johnson. real quick. I'm a little bit of apology I have to make. I think it was Keith Peterson was the ref. And right? It's Keith Peterson was the ref. And remember when Michael Johnson, he almost gave like a little a tap and then he tapped again?

And so I thought it was like, oh, no, Keith Peterson missed the tap. You can't miss the tap on a, especially a lake lock like that. That's very dangerous. But then after I saw the replay, I realized that Michael Johnson was a bit of, I think you're doing a bit of a,

you see him in Jiu Jizu Tournaments. You know, you kind of get the, slight tap. It's like, oh, I wasn't tapping, but then, but Keith Peterson, I'm not falling for that. And he had to give the hard real tap. So initially I was like, oh, that's a horrible stoppage. I was like, ooh, my bad, my bad.

Keith Peterson, you good, ref. And Keith Peterson's had an interesting last five days for sure. It has been transported, by the way. Yes. And Brett Okamoto from USPN just tweeted that he spoke to Smith's coach, Mark Montoya, and that Mark Montoya said it was not

his teeth out. It was veneers. He has veneers. So shades of, Caraprizi and I think said that once. I don't know, I think it was a fight with Diego. It was a fight with Diego or Nick Diaz where he got hit so hard and you saw this clearly this white thing going out of his mouth. And Caro said after, it was a veneer. He didn't knock my tooth out. Come on. So Mark Matoi having a similar story here saying it was a veneer. His teeth were not falling out of his head. But we'll see. I guess I know we'll learn a lot more about the situation in the coming days. Yeah, Mark is a great guy too. He's a very insightful mind. Definitely if you have the opportunity to pick his brain, it is definitely worth your time. I'd love to pick his brain about what was going through his head throughout that fight. That's for sure. I mean, we'll try to make that happen here on MAAFighting.com. Do we have any comments here, or should we wrap this bad boy up?

I think we're ready to head out of here. Maybe get back to some more work. Yeah, more work indeed. And just one more fight card this week. Only one more. I know. We're back at it again on. Saturday.

Walt Harris versus Alastor Overeem. Thanks, everyone, guys, for like sticking with us, though. I love the fans who are tuning in to all of our content, tuning into these early morning way-ins, late-night post-bite shows. You guys are friggin' awesome. You guys are so crazy. So thanks everyone for tuning in. Yeah, doing the best we can here.

So it's a chaotic time, and we appreciate all the comments, the nice ones and the not-so-nice-n-n- I don't know. I don't appreciate those, but you can, Mike. I don't know. But I listened to you this time We got right into the fight talk I didn't mess around And ask how Alex is doing tonight

We just went right into the Nobody cares how I'm doing They never care Mike, come on Even if they did ask We should say no We're ignoring that question Nobody cares Yes, we just get right into the thing

You know, no foreplay we're going Veneers aren't easy to knock out It says Gabriel Killian I don't think I don't think teeth are either I'm not a veneer guys I don't know If you get veneers

You actually lost your teeth Long before a fight Metro booming. You got facts coming again after that one. That's like legit. We've got late night facts coming in. Yes. All right.

I am not a dentist nor a veneer expert. But all right, that's it. Let's put a ball on this thing. Alex, thank you for the time. Casey, awesome job as always, Jose, just hanging out there. He's scratching his nose right now and not hearing a word I'm saying. But thank you all for tuning in. We got virtual media day tomorrow for Saturday's cards.

We'll have some videos up on that. Of course, what the heck's going to drop? tomorrow at 10 a.m. Eastern Standard time with Shane Burgos, Calvin Cater, and Diego Faheda, and then we'll have a preview show on Friday, and the way ends on Friday, and then another whole set of fights on Saturday. That main card on Saturday, when they flashed it, it's a

pretty darn good main card. I believe the first fight is Marlon Vera versus Sonia Deng at Featherweight, which will be a lot of fun. And then we go all the way up to we got Gadalia versus Hill. That's a great fight. And then, of course, while Harris versus Alasorovrim will cap things off. So for Alex, Jose

and Casey, I am Mikeack. Make sure you stick around with us for all the post-fight stuff here at mhmapighting.com as we put a bow on UFC Jacksonville. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. And we'll see you Saturday night, everybody. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.