MMA Fighting - UFC London Post-Fight Show | Movsar Evloev Beats Lerone Murphy In Main Event — Was It the Right Call?

Episode Date: March 22, 2026

Movsar Evloev picked up the biggest win of his career in the main event of UFC London as he defeated Lerone Murphy, handing the latter his first MMA loss in the process. While the fight was ultra-comp...etitive, and included a rare point deduction for Evloev, a lot of people feel the judges got it wrong — and that it should've been a draw, or a win for Murphy. Following UFC London, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew react to the Fight Night card, Evloev's win and the scorecards, how the commentary was during the fight, and if Evloev will get a title shot against Alexander Volkanovski after the win. Additionally, topics include Luke Riley's co-main event win, the lackluster featured bout between Michael Page and Sam Patterson and if it was one of the worst fight's in UFC history, the incredible Mason Jones vs. Axel Sola Fight of the Year contender, and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:13 deal skills with you. See it in action at deal.com slash audio. That's d'eel.com slash audio. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. There they are, everybody, the victory horns. And they sound from both Vloyaf and not everybody is happy about that ladies and gentlemen majority decision win over Lerone Murphy despite
Starting point is 00:01:55 losing a point for a kick to the ding ding which means two of the judges scored four of the five rounds for bobsar of Lovloyaf and not everybody seems to agree with that how do we feel about the scorecards how do we score the fight we'll discuss here on the post-vite show I am Mike Hacken joining me to react to all this. And I got to say, the way this made event ended made me a little happier because now we have some things to talk about. Because it really wasn't looking that great, Jed Bishu. How are we doing, buddy? Sure was not looking great for us.
Starting point is 00:02:34 I'm pretty pumped for a couple of reasons. One, the card's over. We love it when the card's over. When it's that card, we love it when the cards over. And I mean, it's also $750. going to have a reasonable end tonight, which we love. But mostly, like, I'm just tickled by the end results. Because I thought, like, for most of this card, we had some real bright spots,
Starting point is 00:02:59 which we'll talk about, obviously. But a lot of this card felt sloggy. It was just a downer in spots. And then we picked it up and we had a fight of the year contender and was like, all right, maybe we're cooking. And we started to get some momentum. And then Michael Venn and Page happened. and it just felt like we were back in third year again.
Starting point is 00:03:20 And then, you know, the main event, as I'm watching it, I am confused, angry, just like, frustrated. Not a bad fight, quite frankly, like, which is, you know, honestly, that's the Mothsaw of love story. When you think about it, it actually wasn't that bad of a fight, but it's not like a classically exciting fight. I was like, man, we're going to get this post show is going to suck. But then I was like, actually, maybe it'll be funny because the funny outcome I thought was going to happen. I thought we were going to get a draw on this. The UFC was going to have everything they ever wanted. Both men are removed from title contention.
Starting point is 00:04:01 And I was genuinely stunned when they read the score. Like for the first time this year. And I don't think the scorecards are bad, quite frankly. But I was absolutely, when they said 48, 46, 48, 46. 48 46 47 47 I was like lorone got it uh movstar turfed it and then they he said mothsor i was like oh oh who do so hell yeah let's have some fun yeah that was that was pretty wild i at first read like i actually forgot the the point was taken for a second and then i was like oh yeah 48 46 seems like a weird car and then i was like oh yeah there's a point taken and i was
Starting point is 00:04:39 still very surprised by this but i'm with you i I scored it a draw. I think 4747 is like the correct card. But, but I'm not shocked by this. Like I was a little surprised because we were in London. So there was a part of me that thought like, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:01 maybe Leroux would get a little home cooking or something like that. But I thought the first round, like the way they were putting the threads of other reporters up there, like, oh yeah, Murphy clearly won round one. I was like, didn't really see it that way. I thought if Loy have had a much better round than people gave him credit for.
Starting point is 00:05:23 Two, I gave to Murphy. Three was close, but I gave it to Movesar. And, you know, it was, it was just a, or I don't remember exactly how it was. But like, I remember the first round being like, okay, that's a much closer round than I think people are giving it credit for. And then, you know, however you score it. I think I ended up ultimately giving Murphy the first two rounds. And then I thought Mozart won the last three, which led me to a draw.
Starting point is 00:05:51 But again, that first round to me was so close that I'm not shocked that if I've got the first round. That's just how I felt. And I know you were live blogging it. And sometimes like you look at the tweets on the broadcast or whatever. And you're just like, oh, maybe I wasn't paying attention enough. And I even, even I thought that like what seeing those scores come up. But like, how do you, how do you respond to these scorecards? Because I mean, there are people in here.
Starting point is 00:06:19 It's like it's a robbery. It's BS. La Rovers robbed, et cetera. I see people who are in the journalism world, the reporter space outright. Live it about this. Live it about these scorecards. Your reaction, your response to all of it. I think that's very silly.
Starting point is 00:06:37 And it feels like something else is going on because like just what like, look at the fight objective. I had no real rooting interest in this fight. I got a bet on Mobsar, but like, I don't care. You know, like, he's not one of my guys. I was frustrated how the fight was going because it felt like Mobsar was doing this intentionally, which I think he probably was. But like, if you go back and read the live blog, I thought the first round was a total coin flip. And I favored Mobsar. I thought he landed like the slightly better strikes. It looked like he maybe hurt him with a body shot in there or whatever. I'm like, that's how you're supposed to wait it.
Starting point is 00:07:14 But like, I think in the live blog, I was even like, I don't really know. I think I'm going to give this one to Mobstar. And then everybody was so very confident that Lauren Murphy won it. And then the numbers were like heavily and we're not heavily because they didn't throw that much. Like in Murphy's favor that I was like, oh, maybe I just miss something. You know, because that happens. You're doing a lot when you're live blogging. I always say that like my live blog scores, I feel okay about them, but they are not the thing that I would stake my life on because I am doing.
Starting point is 00:07:43 literally doing something else during it. So I'll go back and watch it. And like it won't shock me if I'm like, oh yeah, I actually think Murphy did a little bit more. But like I remember as I was watching, I was like, I think this is bad from F of Love.
Starting point is 00:07:57 Like he should at least be fainting or attempting a takedown at some point. But I remember being like, Murphy's really not hitting him with much and he's, he's laying in some really nice kicks to the body. Like he's doing okay. And so like I think it's fine to score the first round for Murphy. I scored the next two or I scored the next I scored two and three for Murphy. I scored one for I love.
Starting point is 00:08:20 I also, I think round two felt closer than the commentary said. Again, I gave it to Murphy. But I also think like everyone should go rewatch it without bisping. Yeah. Oh my God. Commentator of all time. He was really special tonight in a negative way. But like two and, you know, I scored two.
Starting point is 00:08:43 and three for Murphy and then very clearly like the clearest rounds were four and five to evloev unequivocally and so if you everybody agrees he won four and five so then you know one and three are competitive rounds both you know two judges give it to him i you can be like it's you get you're giving him a lot of edges right like he's winning both of the competitive rounds but like sometimes it happened so it's not a robbery again i scored at 47s like i think that that is the right answer here. But you can't just be like, this is, this is a shame
Starting point is 00:09:19 and terrible. It's like, I don't know. Because also, I am very happy that Mark Goddard took that point. A part of me still deeply wonders. This is Mark Goddard we're talking about. Mark Goddard is not a man
Starting point is 00:09:34 who takes points. And he did it on the second offense. Hopefully, this is just the new Mark Goddard and he's going to take points. that would be great. Genuinely, like, when it happened, I was like, man, did he do that because it's Moths are? Like, and ultimately, that didn't even affect the outcome of the fight, which I'm stoked
Starting point is 00:09:56 about. So, you know, it is what it is. The Bissing thing, you're absolutely right. He's awful tonight. I think this is the, I think this is, and this is saying something. I think this is the worst he's ever been on a broadcast. And again, the bar has been set very, very high here. I felt horrible for Paul Feldor. Like there were certain points during this
Starting point is 00:10:18 broadcast where I was like, oh, Paul Felders in the booth. I had no idea he was there because he didn't get the chance to say anything because any time he had the chance to speak, Bisbing interrupted him and talked over him. It was just so bad, man. And yeah, his commentary during the main event was horrific. It was really, really bad. It took away from the fight in a lot of people's eyes. It took away, like, Bala Maham was tweeting about it. He's like the commentators made it seem like Lorone killed Mozar. They really did. And even if you thought Lauren won the first three, he was totally defensible, right? Like,
Starting point is 00:10:51 it is not hard for me to envision three rounds to Murphy. He didn't win by any margin that is like, great. It's like he was a little bit better. Like he was a little bit better. Like he was a little bit better if you thought he won those. Yeah. So now the big question, Jen. is bovzah of loyaf was this a great night for bozahs of good night because you get the win and lorone has a loss and now lorone is in big big trouble when it comes to this championship conversation he goes in a meritocratic world in pfl he's probably a win away from getting a title fight here in the ufc he's probably like three or four wins from getting a title fight bozah remains undefeated he did the job has the win so it was a good night for him was this a great night for him because alexander volkinovsky was the post-fight show. Was a little surprised by the cards a little bit.
Starting point is 00:11:44 It was a little surprised by the way Mowzars game planned was. However, Volkinovsky has tried to do this before. He's tried to lay out the red carpet from Mosezar of Lov, and he got Diego Lopez instead for the second time and less than a year. So was this a great night from Mbzar of Loyaf? Did this win solidify that Alexander Volkinovsky's next title defense will be against Mozszar of Lovov. No, it did not.
Starting point is 00:12:10 And as you see on the board, I think he should get it. And I don't particularly think he beats Alexander Volkanowski, which should tell you that this comes from an honest place because I would be invested in Volk losing, right? Like I just got a lot of chips in that particular bag. But like Mofsar just deserves it. Right. He is, if this is a sport at all and not a side show, it should be Mavsar. Apparently Dana left before the main event even happened. and now he's in the back doing the classic Dana thing,
Starting point is 00:12:42 being like, I'm not even thinking about stuff until Tuesday. They're going to give it to John Silva. Credit, a stone cold credit to everybody else that's not the UFC involved in this, right? Like, Volcanovsky does not have to do this, right? He doesn't have to be like, hey, man, let me fight the 20 and 0 dude. Like, he doesn't have to, but he's trying to do what is right. Credit to him. Huge shout out to Lerone Murphy,
Starting point is 00:13:12 who just had a tough loss, apparently got injured somewhere in the middle of that fight as well. You know, he's probably going to go back and think, like many people in the chat and online. Actually, I probably should have won that, but he didn't have any sour grapes about it whatsoever. He was like,
Starting point is 00:13:27 Bispin, come over here. Look, I'm sorry I let you down, London. That man deserves a title fight. Like, he did the right thing. Everybody is doing the right thing. maybe the UFC will do it. I guess we can't say it's zero percent, but they have given us no reason to believe
Starting point is 00:13:46 to do the right thing and book this man in a title fight. And I know he is not the most exciting dude in the world. I don't particularly think he'll beat Volcanowski, but I wouldn't entirely rule it out, frankly. But like, what sort of sport are we? Like, this is genuinely the question that's on offer right now. Are we a sport or are we something else entirely? and if they don't give it to him, and I don't think they will,
Starting point is 00:14:11 like it would be one thing if you had another guy on a run. Like if Kevin Vizheos had just knocked out Josh Emmett and Yayae Rodriguez, and he's on like at seven fight win streak or whatever with all knockouts, there's nobody else. John Silver just lost. Like there's no one else to do this with. He just lost. He just lost.
Starting point is 00:14:32 Just lost. Mosterovov has done everything that you can ask of a fighter to. do. He has literally never lost whether you think he should have or not. Officially he is 20 and oh. And I think he is now 9 and 0 in the UFC or is that 10 and 0 in the UFC? Like give him his day in court, man. And maybe Volk will solve the problem for you. And if Volk loses, you know, then John Silva can try and solve the problem for you. But at some point in time, you just have to be just about this. Like there has to be a modicum. of adult in the room here.
Starting point is 00:15:10 I don't think it's going to be, but I really hope it is. Yeah. What else does he have to do? Who else does he have to beat? Like, I know he's not the most active. He's gone through a lot. He's already beat Diego Lopez. I know it was a while ago.
Starting point is 00:15:21 He's got to win over him. He just beat Lorone Murphy. He's got a win over Al Jermaine Sterling. He's got wins, man. Like, he's going out there and getting wins. He beat Arnold out. Like, he's beat a lot of ranked dudes in the UFC. Like, give him a shot.
Starting point is 00:15:35 The champion wants to fight him. Who else is there? You could do John Civil, but like, again... He lost in September. Yes, in September. He got destroyed in that fight. He had one moment where Diego was like, oh, he got me a little bit. But he got run over in that fight.
Starting point is 00:15:50 He got like 10-7 in the first round and then got finished in the second. He just... And then he beat Arlound, like, good win. But that is, like, that is not enough to get him a title shot. And again, as much as I enjoy John Silva, I know you do too. He's not like his giant stock. Like he doesn't do like huge numbers for us or for the UFC. He's just like a fun dude, like a really fun fighter.
Starting point is 00:16:16 And I would like to see him get a title shot. But we're not there yet. Give Mozart's opportunity. Now, it is imperative that Mozart flips the script quickly, that he gets back in action quickly. Volkanowski's already said July August is what I'm thinking. If Mozart aren't ready for July August, they ain't giving them a title shot. So he better be ready to turn around fast.
Starting point is 00:16:40 He's got to do that. And he has to hope that time line holds up. And he has to hope that they decide to do the right thing. Because if Steve Garcia beats Diego Lopez, everything changes. Right. Like if Steve Garcia beats Diego Lopez of the White House, which is a thing that can absolutely happen. Then they're just going to go to Steve Garcia if the timeline's fine. So like he needs a lot of things to work in his favor.
Starting point is 00:17:01 And honestly, I am genuinely pulling for him. Like I think he will lose. But he has earned the right to do that. You earn your day in court. He has done as much as anybody in the history of the UFC functionally without getting a title fight. Like, let him, let him do it and see what happens. Yeah, he, folk wants to fight him. He wants to fight him.
Starting point is 00:17:26 He's not, like, any other champion in the UFC, it's like calling for the bigger name or, or anything of that nature. Like, he's calling for the tough fight. Just give it to him. Just give it to him. John Silva going up to Hunter Campbell. and handing him a contract. Like, I think that is spectacular, by the way. I mean, he's doing a great job.
Starting point is 00:17:43 I'm not knocking him for trying to get his shot. Yeah. Good on him. But like, he doesn't deserve it. He shouldn't get it. Go win one more. Go win another fight. Plus you got like, you get Sterling and Yusuf getting ready to fight.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Like, that's a big one. Melky Costas fighting Arnold Allen. Like, that's a big fight too. Like, Steve. What? You want to know something deeply funny? To me, maybe it isn't as funny. I just tried to pull up the card on Wiki
Starting point is 00:18:09 just because like thing And you know how Wiki does they're like the list of UFC events There's a split there's a past events and a scheduled events And UFC London is nowhere on with on the Wikipedia UFC list of events right now They are trying to forget that this shit ever happened That's terrific
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Starting point is 00:20:57 He's already reiterated the John Jones thing. 10.0 by the way. 10 and no. His response to if if Vloyav is next. Possibly yeah. I'm not even thinking about that. The fight just ended. But yeah, obviously he's in a great position.
Starting point is 00:21:11 It's not what you want to hear if you're Bob Zare and Vloev. It's better than no. It's better than we'll talk about a Tuesday. And then just leaving it at that. It could have been worse. It could have been worse. What else is there? No crossover fights for Zupa boxing.
Starting point is 00:21:27 Shits on any her in a bit. Dana White said he doesn't think there's any controversy in terms of who won the main event. So that is good. That's very good. Because the last thing you want to hear if your mobs are of Vloy being like, yeah, man, I don't know who these judges are. suck loreau murphy should have won that fight that had been really bad uh white says he met with nate dyes a few weeks ago and he feels that dyes got an offer that he couldn't refuse to be on the
Starting point is 00:21:53 netflix card so he's happy for him doesn't close the door on ds potentially returning to the ufc so there you go uh he dana is just objectively wrong because there is controversy because people are very upset about it whether they should be you know but like people feel this way but I mean, if Dana says that, like, maybe they have just decided fine. Like, whatever, we'll do it because, like, he didn't bury him. And in fact, like, he was never going to put Mavsar over. Like, that was just never going to happen. But being like, no, I thought he won.
Starting point is 00:22:27 That's better than Monsor very clearly beating Arnold Allen in like kind of a fun fight. And Dana being like, that fight was awful. I hate him. So, like, we've come a long way. Yes. At least he knows who Movzar is now. He didn't know who he was back then. So that's good.
Starting point is 00:22:43 We're learning things as we go. Apparently, he also was asked specifically about Jean Silva and smiled and said, we'll have to see when we announce it you'll know it's true. So it might not be great. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's, that might not be great indeed. I'm looking at the clip right now. And, yeah, like there's, you know, it's not like a wink, wink, wink, but he's more
Starting point is 00:23:12 interested in this than it sounds like he's interested in Mobsar. Luke Riley gets the winner of Michael Aswell Jr. That was a fine fight. That was a perfectly reasonable fight. Yeah, it was fine. It was. The fight was a lot of what I anticipated it to be. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:29 I thought Aswell was just going to come out and go full ham. And, you know, it's funny listening to Daniel Paneda in between rounds being like, dude, you got to go. I kind of expected him to just go and like have a great first round, maybe drop. Luke and then Luke just clobber them in round two but it seems tough man yeah it just seems like never been knocked out never been knocked out it just let's just let's go out and do stuff but like let's kind of play it safe for the most part uh michael page sam patterson jed let me just ask you a question we don't have to really break this thing down uh i put out
Starting point is 00:24:05 a tweet on twitter that said uh serious question was this one of the worst fights in you have history. People, a lot of people looked at it as like did I that I said that was this the worst fight in UFC history and everyone had all these other examples. What I mean by that, Jed, and maybe it's not the 10th worst or whatever. If I was writing a coffee table book right now about the worst fights in UFC history and I was, and you were the co-author of this, if you were, and we can only put 25 horrible fights on here, Does Michael Page, Sam Patterson, make one of your 25 worst fights in UFC history at the top of your head? 25 is a lot, so it could.
Starting point is 00:24:52 I think it would just be in the honorable mention section. It is a very bad fight. I think it's the worst fight of this year, though there's steep competition. By the way, to put it in a context, to put this into context, there was zero takedowns in this fight, zero, 39, total significant strikes landed combined in this fight that stood that stayed on
Starting point is 00:25:18 the feet for 15 minutes dude that's that's just a freaking MVP fight that's every time MVP fights it's MVP's I'm pulling up right now because his like strikes landed stat is like two it's like something
Starting point is 00:25:33 cartoonishly yeah like his his three round against Jared Cannonier they landed a combined 49 strike the end up the But Chado Gary fight. Now, they were granted some grappling involved in that. There's a lot of grappling in that.
Starting point is 00:25:47 Combined 40 strikes. Like, this is a bad effort. But it's just an MVP fight, man. I think this is a very bad fight. I think it's probably the worst fight of the year. Though Pinto and Francisco or Pinto, whatever, that was one that was honestly, like, that fight felt worse to me.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Not in the moment, because in the moment, the MVP fight was really felt bad. but the Pinto Franco fight was just because you knew exactly how heavy weighty it was at least there was like maybe MVP will hit him once and then he never did it's really bad it's a very bad fight
Starting point is 00:26:26 that sort of is most like if MVP has a guy who is not going to try to punch him he is never going to be like I'm going to try and punch you he'll just sit there and stare at his ass and it can lead to some really awful fights unless you're going to get like a full book like a full-blown bruiser who's going to crowd space and just come at him no matter what.
Starting point is 00:26:47 But like I was, I live blogged this one as well. And in the first round, San Paterson had like a modicum of success because he just waited so long that MVP would try to lead. And he's so uncomfortable on the lead. The like, San Patterson was able to time some shots.
Starting point is 00:27:02 And the second round, Patterson like listened to his corner. It was like, all right, we got to make a statement. And then he got jawed like six times in a row as he just like stepped forward. Because that's how MVP, MVP wants you to come at him.
Starting point is 00:27:15 And so then he was like, I'm just not going to do that anymore. And it led to an awful fight. Right. Because that's, so we have, man. You know, it's one of the worst of recent times. If you said it's one of the 25 worst, I would not really argue the point unless I made out a list. I don't think it's in the top 10, but it was quite a poor fight. Nobody had fun.
Starting point is 00:27:39 I think this makes the coffee table book. I think it makes it. I think if you want to throw the Pinto fight in there too, go right ahead. That was a real heavyweighty fight. Herring Bisbeck's like, this is the future of the heavyweight division. People are down on heavyweight like Mario Pinto is the is the fighter that makes that narrative incorrect. And then he goes out and has a stinker like that. I mean, they, they, they tailor made a K.O. win for him. And we got that. It was, it was, it was tough, man.
Starting point is 00:28:08 It was tough. We had two of the worst fights I've ever seen on this card. Plus, we had Talison and Ty earlier this year, which is way more fun. No, no, no. We had more fun. Nobody else did. Nobody else did. But we had more fun. But if they watched us have fun, they, in turn, had more fun.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Ewa Baraduski destroys Austin Lane. We knew that would happen. In fact, I was happy about this because of the fantasy points that I'm sure I got. I'm sure you got a bonus too. I don't. There's no chance you didn't get a bonus at this point. But that was just, that was just malpractice in terms of matchmaking.
Starting point is 00:28:48 You did get a bonus. All the bonuses are exactly what you would have thought they were. I mean, actually maybe not because I would have, I think I might have given one to Danny Silva, but they gave Chanel Dyer a bonus. Okay. I mean,
Starting point is 00:29:03 she, she hit the shit out of that woman. That was good. And then we, Mason Jones, Axelsoza was the fight. that I plus some people think the card yeah oh yeah there was no question that uh jonesos was we'll get to that in a moment uh christian leroy duncan beats roman deletes a god not a great performance
Starting point is 00:29:23 all i was thinking all i was thinking watching that fight was like man brandon allen if you just waited like if you just waited like a week you could have got the same date and fought christian Lee Roy Duncan who's going to be ranked just outside of the top 10 to fight on that card. But instead, you jumped at the chance to fight unranked Edmund Shabazzian. And Brendan Allen watching that fight had to have been like, I would have killed Christian Leroy Duncan. Like I can't, this dude, he's fun. He's going to be a guy to watch as time goes on if you put him in the right matchups.
Starting point is 00:30:00 But boy, Christian is going to have a hard time in this division beating any of these guys. guys who can grapple because he's just going to get run over man dude like roman delizze a if that was a five-round fight roman would have beat him and that's crazy because roman looked shat not broken he looked shattered at a trillion pieces man i'm struggling to think of a fight where a guy clearly won and it was so obviously good for his career right like c ld is going to be ranked on Tuesday and for me to be like wolf
Starting point is 00:30:42 you're in trouble bud like because for for 10 minutes I was like okay the story of the fight for 10 minutes was delizze was like petrified of contact CLD would swing something and be like and you know Bisping made some claims that were very silly about CLD
Starting point is 00:30:59 like he is a he's like he's a war like a once in a generation athlete like he's a he's like a plus middleweight athlete. He's not remotely like a great athlete. That's why he's fighting. If he was a great athlete,
Starting point is 00:31:14 he'd be doing a different sport. But like, it's like, okay, he's going to win this. And, but he was like, man, he really needs to get Delizze out of there. Because like, Deleizze just is, is literally like flopping to the ground at contact. He does not want any part of this.
Starting point is 00:31:31 And then instead of getting him out of there, he got cooked in the third. round. I was like, I had just tweeted out or like feeded as I was doing our like feeding friends. I was like, man, the league day needs to retire. The game's not in him anymore. He's just, he doesn't want to
Starting point is 00:31:47 fight anymore. And credit to him, he's good career or whatever. And then so I was like, actually now he's just on top. And he's just, he's just kind of cleanly winning this round when I thought he was dead. And so it's just like, that is a very it's tough
Starting point is 00:32:03 to be to somehow be worse after a ranked win but CLD thread to that needle baby yeah that's a that's a really good point uh Danny Silva upset win knocks out Curtis Campbell Mason Jones Axel Sola I mean if you want to say that's the fight of the year so far I am not going to argue with you it's definitely in the conversation that that that this was the most important fight of the card because we were in slog city at that point and then that those two dudes to be city twice. Yeah, we did go to Slag City twice.
Starting point is 00:32:37 And that fight, all things considered, like we, UFC Vegas 114 was the best card of the year. This was going down the road of like hands down worst card of the year. But because of this fight and because of the main event, I actually enjoyed the main event a lot. I thought it was a really good fight. It wasn't like fight of the year potential, but like it was just high level fun stuff. I had a good time.
Starting point is 00:33:00 I really enjoyed it. I have liked almost every level of fight. Yes. I don't love him. Not as much. But other than that. I don't love him. But like, I'm like, that's a good fighter.
Starting point is 00:33:11 He's doing some interesting things. Like, that's a good guy. Like watching him. Yeah. What a, what a friggin fight that was. If you're watching this and you're like, oh,
Starting point is 00:33:18 I missed the card. I was out doing other stuff, which I don't blame you for. Go rewatch that one. Pull up Paramount Plus. When they put the individual fights up, do yourself a favor. Go watch that fight.
Starting point is 00:33:30 It's unbelievable. Nathania Wood, great win over Kaida. Mario Pinto Felipe Franco Don't watch that one back Montes beats Antonio Tricoli Who you know shout out Tricoli Try to do things in the third round
Starting point is 00:33:44 He had no right His team should have absolutely stopped that fight After the second round He was just getting obliterated in there It was like the same fight As the Tate's ACLD It's like he kind of almost Mounted a little bit of a comeback in the third round
Starting point is 00:33:58 Yeah but he got dummied in the third At the end of the third Yeah but Ann Montes Wanted cleanly and I'm like I'm out I wasn't in on him anyway but I'm real out you can't finish tricoli come on bro why should I believe in you uh brando you set you up like they set up iwo but i won't did the thing they set him up to do yeah you got the exact same like ball on a tea and you hit a dribbler into the freaking gap uh brando parichick try to hit a grand slam gets the
Starting point is 00:34:27 finish in less than two minutes gets on the mic and says I want to thank Dana white for giving me this opportunity to fight i want to thank dana way for the hundred thousand dollars she's about to give me for my performance of the night bonus and i'm going and then he said i'm going to give that money away so subscribe to my youtube channel and i'll tell you how you can get it and even john good is like wait a bit is he going is he going to give it all away if he wins the bonus and i think this is this is terrific stuff by brando parritch by the way i was super interested in this man's youtube channel immediately uh i didn't subscribe i'm I'm out of the running, but he still gets 25.
Starting point is 00:35:06 He didn't get the bonus. He still gets 25. Maybe he'll give that away. That's a great gimmick. I really liked it. And it was a much happier gimmick than Danny Silva being like, I am poor. When do you want to fight again? Literally as soon as possible because I am flat, broke.
Starting point is 00:35:23 And I would love to be able to eat food. Yeah. I paraphrase that slightly. But that's basically what he said. Yeah. It was just not what you want. out of here. Abdul Karim El-Sawati probably ended the UFC run for Shem Rock after just two fights. Tough night for Shem Rock. This is an opportunity. This is actually like a pretty decent
Starting point is 00:35:43 matchup for him. Like El-Sawati is better than people gave him credit for, but it's like, dude, if you're going to win a UFC fight, like, this is your chance. And if I was not getting close. Yeah. Yeah. If I was not close and then he tried to put it. Then he punched him afterwards. Yeah, he's done really punch him, but like he kind of punched him. Yeah. He said he, he was like he shake my hand also he's like no dude you were a dick the entire time leading into this fight you pushed me at ceremonial way in's like i don't respect you and then shemrock like game that little like nuggie punch and i'm like yeah and i was like all right he's done he's what he tried to crack yeah as he should have at that point he i think it's probably better
Starting point is 00:36:23 that he missed because had he like landed a clean one i don't know if that would have been good for his long term employment but yeah uh and then chanel dyer kicks things off with the stuff that first round was tough but boy she got cracking in in round two so that is ufc london a card we'll remember for some things and forget a whole bunch of it so let's go to the peps i'm not going to remember most of this fight i'm going to remember the main event i'm going to remember mason jones and i might remember page patterson because it's so bad i'll remember danie selvo because i really like him a lot yeah and i and i cashed a plus 180 ticket on him.
Starting point is 00:37:03 So yes, I'll remember Nathaniel Wood for cashing the only bet I made tonight. Hey, I mean, honestly, that fight was way less fun than I anticipated. Perfectly fine fight. Competitive,
Starting point is 00:37:14 high level, kind of like an amuse-boosh to the main event. But dude, Nathaniel Wood just keeps one in fights. He's like seven and one since moving up to featherweight. Yeah. And still not giving him a ranked opportunity, which is tough.
Starting point is 00:37:27 Yeah, I'm trying to see like which surging featherweight contender or newcomer they're going to chuck him in there with. Give him Mavsar, screw it. Since you're not going to give Mops so the title fight, just give him a Mavsor. Well, he really wants to fight Arnold Allen from what I understand. I mean, honestly, that would make sense.
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Starting point is 00:38:35 Travel back in time with us and actually try. Travel with us at westjet.com slash 30 years. Ace Boogie, make room in the family for Mason Jones, Jed. As it aside, MVP has to be done in the UFC after that showing, right? Saying guys don't want to engage with him is pretty comical. Let's start with the, I mean, we've already kind of touched on the MVP fight. Is Mason Jones, like, he may not be in the family yet, but are we inviting him for coffee? We respect him, but he's not, we're not applying to put him into the.
Starting point is 00:39:07 family he's we we like him great neighbor to have you know down the street we throw a cookout of course we love we love a block party i'll tell you watching the fight axel solo was much closer to getting like a introductory you know let's let's have a cup of coffee and see if the family might be a fit because actually first round i kind of weird yeah he's real weird and my kind of weird like he's he was do a lot of like sneaky cool shit and like is a probably a better quote unquote fighter than mason Jones but like Jones just got the dog in him and that was that was sick but like axlola didn't really wilt they just kept tearing chunks out of each other I thought that fight was anyone's fight to win like up to the last minute and jones was ahead but like I I I really
Starting point is 00:40:02 really enjoyed every piece of that fight a whole lot. It was good. It was good. If you knew nothing about fighting, it was fun, like, just a, just a knockdown dragout.
Starting point is 00:40:14 And if you're watching this show, you probably at least know a little bit. And like they were making adjustments and doing just cool shit. Sola kept digging into the body. Sucker for digging into the body. I just had a great time watching that fight. Mason Jones coming on in the third round. He's just like,
Starting point is 00:40:30 hey, fist pump. and then takes a step back and then marches forward like five steps and just kicks him in the face like immediately i was like yes this fight is unbelievable it's so good i'm telling you if you did not watch it like do yourself a favor uh go back and watch it i i mean i think it's the fight of the year right now it's you know there are some other good ones certainly in the conversation for fight of the year maybe you can make a you know patty gage you had two more rounds and it's more impactful and that fight was quite fun yeah in a different way
Starting point is 00:41:02 Yeah, this was a great fight. And I also loved, like, because especially when, you know when fighters know they're in a fucking battle like that. Because like immediately after the final bell, they just kind of looked at each other and like, yeah, man. Okay. It's like, yeah, you guys just beat the souls out of it. Like, you were both chewed up. It was awesome. And then they took a post-fight photo in the hospital as, as is classic.
Starting point is 00:41:27 You love that. Dot, dot, dot, roo-roo. Mike, Tatiana versus Lemosch or MVP versus Patterson Good. Wow, what a question. I think MVP Patterson is better than Tatiana Lemoche. You think it's better?
Starting point is 00:41:42 I think that fight is a better fight. Tatiana Limosch was a stunningly bad. That is definitely in the coffee table book. I'm torn. I'm torn a little bit only because. I guess more did happen.
Starting point is 00:42:01 in Tatiana Lemoche, but it didn't feel like it. Yeah, because it happened in the last 90 seconds from Amanda Lemoche, who Taitiana was just tired from holding Lemoche against the fence or on the mat doing absolutely nothing. And then Lemoche like tried to throw punches and landed some. And Tatiana was starting to like fade a little bit. So like more happened in that fight, but I think I'll go MVP Patterson. Because like the only and I think.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Long take. It's just not the one. I have. No, I, no, I think, I think either I'm fine with it. I, no, I, I've landed on MVP Patterson. Like, if I were to, if I were to go back and if I was forced to watch one of these fights again, I would watch MVP Patterson again, only because, and the biggest reason why is, the crowd actually, like, reacted to it in some way. So it, like, added some additional ambiance to it. There were moments of drama. And Tatia de Lamo, she,
Starting point is 00:43:03 like there was no sounds there's nothing there's barely commentary in that fight at that point because just nothing happened but boy that's a great question tatja no lemos was the worst fight of 2025 especially with the stakes involved this is just weird MVP paterson is just weird from jump street like nothing about it made sense and then the fight became what it was and then mvp just being like yeah man it's all patterson's fault is is pretty funny uh said your pepipa loves starting the sudden. Was Zell Hubert or climb, Jed? No, my climb was at PFL last night. AJ. AJ McKee, which I frankly was never sweating.
Starting point is 00:43:43 You know, that fight was more competitive than some people thought. I was like, I'm pretty sure AJ's going to win 30-27s. And they're all going to feel like tight rounds, but it's, and that's exactly what happened. And he had like eight toes and one knee and, like, he was lumping back to the corner round two, and then he still beat, beat Borge up in the third round. I mean, the only other one that was really on offer was the over in the main event, but I didn't want to do over three and a half because that's just like a long time. Would have been the most stress free over of my life to do the over three and a half today. Montana, in a different world, you can only watch the top three fights on either the White House card or MVP card in tapes.
Starting point is 00:44:26 Easy. To the get deleted. What are you choosing? You don't get to go back and watch them. I think is the point of it. You can only watch the top three fights on one of these cards. You can never watch the others. You can never watch the others.
Starting point is 00:44:40 I believe that's the point. This is easy. I'm picking the White House card. I will continue to say this. I think I hate the White House card more than anybody else does. But my personal hatred of the card has nothing to do with the quality of the card. It is objectively a bunch of very good fights, objectively much better fights than the MVP ones. Now, I think there could be a world where the MVP card is more fun.
Starting point is 00:45:07 The top three fights are more fun. But give me the White House top three fights are all very significant. Like on paper, great matchups. I have problems with them, but those are outside of what they are. White House car all day. Yeah. And I have this conversation. There's one, this one dude who hits me up on DMs all the time because we say that,
Starting point is 00:45:32 the MVP car will be the most watched MMA event of all time. And especially with Nate on there, I still believe that that is going to be true, that they're going to do like 18, 19 million people watching that event. It's going to blow the doors off the White House card. Like, it's just got to. I think we're going to do more than 1819. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:51 It's very possible. Let me keep going. Let me look up something. Yeah. It's going to do gigantic numbers in terms of viewership. It's going to do way more than the White House. and while I say this, I'm not saying this because the MVP card is going to be the more classically,
Starting point is 00:46:07 the more classic mixed martial arts events with classic mixed martial arts bouts. You know what people want to see? They want to see stars. That's what they want to see. And they got them all over the MVP card. Rhonda is going to just wreck Gina Carrano. Francis probably going to nuke Philippinez
Starting point is 00:46:24 in a highlight real fashion in a way that PFL could not capitalize on, you know, creating a real. Nate and Perry's just going to be like weird wild fun. Like no aesthetic beauty to it whatsoever, just two dudes scrapping. And then you're going to have like, you know, not everything's going to be great. If we're to believe Lorenz Larkin and Jason Jackson, like that could be fun and it could be terrible. And then we got Parnasse, which is going to rule.
Starting point is 00:46:54 Like that dude's so fun. And Kenneth Cross is very fun too, if that fight ends up being what it is. And we'll see what the rest of the card looks like. Like, the White House card is like a better MMA event. Like, there's, it's just, it is. But like, what are you going to enjoy more? I don't know. That's, there's no, there's no question that more people are going to watch the MVP card and the White House card.
Starting point is 00:47:16 There's no question about it. It's not even close. Vives are going to be better. A lot of things are in the favor of it. But if I just only get to watch them, I want the better fights and those are on the White House card for sure. Yeah. The White House card is. fine like ilia fighting gaichi hurts my heart a little bit because i know how that fight's going to end and if
Starting point is 00:47:36 it if for some reason just wins it's one of the greatest it'll be it'll be the coolest shit of all time yeah but i think we know how it's going to go the problem is we're getting the stars fighting option c in both title fights and that's a bummer man like that's just a bummer and you know we should just pay john jones who gives a shit like what are we doing here no he's two he's two he's too hurt Mike his hip is about to fall off his arthritus with his damn arthritus was a terrible it's terrible stuff uh we'll take a couple that we're gonna get out of here i don't want to get yelled that tonight uh can mike gloat about the fact that iwo and moves are both one for him tonight in the draft league i'm not people were saying like i'm dead in the water it's a k's game and we're
Starting point is 00:48:22 just it's his world we're just living at it i'm very much alive in this i'm very much alive in this I have one fighter who may not compete and that's Kayla Harrison because Gable's going to get out of the White House car you keep telling yourself also they're not to compete Kayla's definitely not competing and that's it
Starting point is 00:48:44 like that's literally it everybody else will will compete I still got points for who did I not get points I got Daniel Zell Hubert got me nothing I mean Marino got you 25 but I'll take it that's not a lot yeah
Starting point is 00:48:58 I'll take it. I still believe this is AKs to win. But, like, mathematically, you, me, AK, and, like, maybe technically Damon is still alive, too, but I don't think Damon's really alive. Yeah, I don't think so either. Let's see. Ooh, what's worse?
Starting point is 00:49:16 A bad, what's worse, though, a bad, bad fight like MVP Patterson or a bad good fight like Charles Max? Bad, bad fight. Charles Max was, is, that's not a bad fight. That is a fight that didn't deliver the expectations and that no one will ever go back and watch. But that's a high level good fight, right? Like a fighter is doing good things. It's just a little bit repetitive.
Starting point is 00:49:41 But like, you shouldn't call that fight bad. You just don't like it. And that's okay. You don't have to like it. But like, it was certainly impressive. One of them is impressive. You can't say that the other is impressive. Maybe that's the better way to put it.
Starting point is 00:49:56 like everyone can acknowledge what charles did while boring was incredibly impressive no one can take any positives away from MVP batterson jemond people want to see stars but not crushing cans linds has no business being in there in gano i disagree with this 100 percent pfl should have absolutely through francis in there with anybody and just let him deliver like complete a highlight reel of some kind they chose not to do that instead they were like let's Let's wait and find the perfect guy for him and he only fought once for the organization as opposed to just chucking him in there with any heavy weight that could find and let him just obliterate fools. Now, obviously, Philippe Linz is not our first choice. Rico Verhoeven was and that fight would have been great.
Starting point is 00:50:43 And Rico, and Rico Verhoeven said in a recent interview, MVP offered him way more money. I didn't realize he said that. Well, that's dumb on his part, but okay, sure. He said MVP offered him more money. I'm pretty sure that's what he said with Ian Parker and Chil Sludder. but he had already told Turkey he had already verbally agreed to the Ussick fight and he said quote I'm a man of my word so he already gave his word to them but MVP's offer was better apparently so I respect that then that fight is still that the fight is still that it's still possible
Starting point is 00:51:15 if I can absolutely still happen you know next year later this year uh I have like only a passing interest in Philippe blends I think it would be really funny if he wins honestly but I don't think that's likely. No. And yeah, like I think they should have put him in there against anybody is fine. I think it would have been better if it was against at least somebody with some level of a name, which Felipe Lins does not have.
Starting point is 00:51:42 But the idea that, I mean, yes, fans would rather see stars versus stars in general. You also build star power by letting stars go over. They have squash matches in wrestling for, that very reason, you know, like, go look at Mike Tyson's resume, you know, like there are some decent wins in there as he came up,
Starting point is 00:52:07 but like there's also, let's watch Mike Tyson kill this man. And that's what Buster Douglas was supposed to be before Buster pulled off the greatest upset, you know, in combat sports history functionally. So like, this is a very common thing and it's fine. Yeah. A couple more. Mike and Jed, how do you rate the Paramount Broad? I know you've been critical for various reasons before.
Starting point is 00:52:29 So how do you feel tonight delivered from that perspective? I had no issues. Other people apparently did. Gilbert Burns was out there tweeting like, I'm just giving up on Paramount because I can't watch this shit. What was? I saw his, I saw his graphic that he put up.
Starting point is 00:52:49 I don't know what it was. I have to read the exact wording on it because it was what fatal error. That's what he kept getting fatal. Fatal error alerts. And he says it happens every time he gets a... Fatal error? That is scary. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:04 And like I... This was... I won't say it's the only one. I've had like small issues on basically every other broadcast. Like last week, we lost audio for like eight minutes or something. I didn't have any this week. So credit to them for that, right? Because that's you don't want to have tech issues.
Starting point is 00:53:23 But apparently other people did. And so for me, this is one of their best efforts broadcast-wise. I'm not sure that rings true elsewhere. Yeah. I didn't have any issues with it either other than is being being horrific. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:40 He was so bad today. That's not on Paramount, really. That's on the UFC. Yeah. He was just really bad tonight. I mean, this is, he was the, this is the worst he's ever been.
Starting point is 00:53:50 It's, they got to get him two weeks in a row, man. This is, this is, this is tough. My long-standing issue is basically everybody in commentary, and the reason I continue to say that I think commentators should be swapped out more. I think most outside of people devolving into sort of just caricatures of themselves, which happens, it really seems like the longer you are doing commentary, at least in the UFC, because this isn't true in football, really, you know, like or other sports,
Starting point is 00:54:22 they really start to get locked into narratives and they tell and then I don't think that it's like a nefarious somebody's in their ear telling you Michael whispering you got to make up Borough Murphy here and I don't even think it's like I'm British and go British guy I think it's just like
Starting point is 00:54:43 they start to see something and that's it and that's it for the remainder of the fight unless something dramatic happens It's like in the fourth round They're like oh, Mavsar is winning Like oh look he's doing good things Was like the first time
Starting point is 00:54:57 They ever come Like Bissby ever said anything positive Mom saw I was in the fourth round It's just like okay man Like I get it's a hard job But he was quite poor this evening Yes
Starting point is 00:55:08 Well we're not done with the UFC London chatter Just yet I was gonna say AK and I'll be back tomorrow To do on to the next one So I am gonna be done Because I don't think we're gonna be talking about this Yes you'll be off
Starting point is 00:55:20 I will, it's just going to be me. It's just going to be me tomorrow. I know you have a tea time. Look, if you want to wait until one, I can do it. Can't do it. I don't think you want to wait until one. Nope, work out. Get this done.
Starting point is 00:55:33 I might get it done tonight. I'm just kidding. Get your picks in. I know a lot of you guys send them to AK. So send it to me this time. Hit me up on the I'm excited to see what you do with Movs or I have left. And if you believe that the UFC is going to do the right thing. I'm giving him a title show.
Starting point is 00:55:50 Way to go, buddy. I don't know that's going to happen, but I hope it does. Of course I'm giving him a title shot. I've been giving Mozar a title shot every, like his last three wins. Just give him the friggin title shot. Before we leave, I want to say two things. One, because we just really almost didn't speak about it at all. Danny Silva rocks and that world.
Starting point is 00:56:12 He put Curtis. I know, like, Curtis Campbell was like a little upset with the stoppage. Go watch it back, my guy. You got put down. Yeah, bad bad. You fell in a way that was real bad and you didn't, you weren't dead, but like go watch the stoppage man because you fell like you got shot. So it's understandable to stop that fight. Yeah, that was just another example of like just bad matchmaking with guys you can like turn into stuff.
Starting point is 00:56:42 Like what are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah. I think Curtis Campbell will be fine. He's like 23, so he still got time. I thought when they made this, I was like, Danny Silva pretty good. This is a weird one because also nobody knows Danny Silva's good
Starting point is 00:56:58 because he lost to Kevin Vigeos, who so were clear, Kevin Vageos has repeatedly said Danny Silva is the toughest dude he's ever fought. He fought Jean-Silva. And he, like, Vosos is like, that dudes, we're all good, but nobody seems to notice. And so, yeah, then he just went and like, like, Curious Campbell,
Starting point is 00:57:19 to the sword. So shout out to you, Danny Silva. I hope you're not broke for very long. I hope to let you fight again, man, because I think you're quite talented, and I'd like to see, I don't think you make a title run, but I think you could find your way to a ranking at some point, and I'd like it. And the other thing is, I just want to reiterate, because I'm not sure I've ever seen this. Lerow Murphy, after losing in the main event, called Bissping over to be like, give that dude a title shot. Shout out to Lerow, man. losing a competitive fight that many people find controversial. And he was like,
Starting point is 00:57:53 come on, give the guy a title fight, Dana. That's how you handle yourself after a loss right there. So the hero we need, Lorone Murphy. Yes. Shout out to Lorone Murphy.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Shout out to Moves-R-Avly. Shout out to all of you. Appreciate that. Busy week coming up. We got R.A.F. We got UFC Seattle. Michael Kiesse's retirement fight. He's fighting Nico Price.
Starting point is 00:58:15 A plus matchmaking. No, UFC. Nailed it. That's how you do it, baby. That's how you do it. For Jedbushu, I am Mike Eck, back tomorrow, thoughts on to the next one. Send your picks over. We're out of here.
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