MMA Fighting - UFC London Post-Fight Show: Paddy Pimblett, Molly McCann Shine | Tom Aspinall Injures Knee Early

Episode Date: July 24, 2022

The sequel at UFC London may not have lived up to the original, but the Paddy & Molly Show still came out shining. MMA Fighting's Shaun Al-Shatti, Jed Meshew, and José Youngs break down the top story...lines coming out of an up-and-down UFC London card, which saw Tom Aspinall lose to Curtis Blaydes in just 15 seconds after suffering an untimely knee injury, Paddy Pimblett and Molly McMann score monster finishes over Jordan Leavitt and Hannah Goldy, Jack Hermansson halt the ascent of Chris Curtis, and much more. Follow Shaun Al-Shatti: @ShaunAlShatti Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:59 Welcome to the UFC London Post Fight show here on MMA Fighting. We appreciate y'all for tuning in. We're happy to have you. I am Sean O'Shahti, and I'm joined by my guys. first off, the man of a million talents, my fellow desert dweller, Jose Youngs, and of course, Mr. No Gray area himself, Jedmishu. We've got the undefeated E. Casey Layden, manning the boards, of course.
Starting point is 00:02:44 And y'all, fellas, what can you say now, man? Back-to-back weeks where it feels like the sport, all of us are robbed of a great fight before it even begins. last week it was Brian Ortego with the shoulder tonight is poor Tommy Aspinall seemingly blowing out his knee just 15 seconds into this main event with Curtis Blades at UFC London your heart just breaks for Tom that one looked really bad he was down there for a long time
Starting point is 00:03:11 in the middle of the cage he ended up getting a splint on it and having to be carried out basically I mean Jose this is now back-to-back weeks for us it felt like we were set up to have an amazing fight ahead of us what are you feeling right now after that I mean, this sucks. I mean, for like you said, the second straight week, we lost. And essentially for the second straight, we had almost two number one contender fights. I know they were like unofficially number one contender fights,
Starting point is 00:03:35 but with France and Gano still on the shelf after his surgery and future in the UFC little murky, obviously the winner of this fight was probably eyeing the winner of Cyril Gahn versus Tait to Evasa, possibly for an interim title or a title shot. I know John Jones and Stipe could go wrench into that, but until that fight's official, we're not going to pretend like that's a reality. So it's just unfortunate all around. I feel like this injury was just way worse in terms of the actual injury and what it means and for how it played out. Because the Iyer-R. Rodriguez-Bron Ortega fight, that actually had some sort of action for as short as that fight was.
Starting point is 00:04:06 Obviously, it didn't get out of the first round. But there were some, you know, there were some scrambles. There was some grappling. There was some action. And people were talking about, like, you know, who won most of the fight for as long as it lasted. The Tom Aspinall, Curtis Blades, fight was 15 seconds. I think Curtis Blades landed maybe a puncher. Tom Asimalt threw a couple leg kicks
Starting point is 00:04:24 and fours and he gave out. None of us obviously know what the actual injury is. So unfortunate would be an understatement. This is, like I said, significantly worse for this division and for Tom and how it played out and for the London crowd hoping to see Tom Aspel. This ending was way worse than the
Starting point is 00:04:40 UFC Long Island card. Just a super unfortunate and super unlucky main event. And yeah, it's just a bummer all around. Yeah, I don't know what's going on this year because you mentioned you were right. about the number one contender fights.
Starting point is 00:04:54 This is now back to back weeks. You even go back to one of the last number one contender fights that we had headlining these shows and it was Jan Blackowitz, Alexander Rockich. Same thing. We got nothing out of it. We talked on the preview show, guys, about is the sequel going to live up to the original for UFC London?
Starting point is 00:05:11 It didn't in the under the undercard was pretty terrible. And then for a brief moment in this main card, it looks like, oh, maybe we got something here and then for it to end like this. I mean, Jed, you have, talked a lot about Tommy Aspinall and what makes him such a compelling prospect in the lead-up to this, the athleticism. That's a big thing for you with Tom. He is still really young, but I mean, something like this.
Starting point is 00:05:33 This looked like a really bad injury. Does this worry you at all about, you know, limiting what Tom could be in his future? No, it just slows his timeline up because he's probably going to be out of year recovering. But like, I don't know, this isn't 1984 or even 1990s. Like, if that is a blown out ligaments in his knee, even if he blew him all out, like, that would suck and certainly hope that's not the case. But you can come back from that. I mean, we see professional athletes do that all the time. It'll be hard and a longer road.
Starting point is 00:06:04 And maybe it will stunt him a little bit. But I mean, Frank Meir came back from damn near dying in a car crash and still ended up, you know, reclaiming a belt and stuff like that. I think Tom's future is still very, very bright. He's just going to be out for a while. But more importantly, maybe the UFC will finally learn that we don't need to close the show with whatever the hell we did. Because this card would have been much better if we ended on Patty Pimbley instead of going Patty into the Hermanson Curtis thing, which was tough. And then this really unfortunate main event, which has left it not living up in any capacity to the first UFC London. I mean, I can understand in a large respect of why Tom was headlining the show,
Starting point is 00:06:49 heavyweight, such a marquee division, and he really is one of the best prospects in that division. And he closed the show last time and did a phenomenal job. So I can understand that you're 100% right about the Curtis-R Manson fight being that weird co-main event spot in between the two bangers that we saw right before. That made no sense beforehand, and it made even less sense in the moment. It really slowed down the flow. But, I mean, just, you know, wrapping up this heavyweight discussion. Jed, what's the heavyweight picture to look like to you now after this?
Starting point is 00:07:15 Because we needed sort of some of these answers, and now we just don't have them. It's honestly the same that it would have been had we gotten more answers. Because the winner of this wasn't fighting for a title. They are at best fighting for an interim belt against probably the winner of gone Taito Ivasa. Like that's the best case scenario. And that depends on Steepay and John Jones, never fighting,
Starting point is 00:07:40 which, you know, pretty good chance. I mean, those are two dudes who just don't fight all that often. So sure. But like it's, it's really the same. It just means that instead of maybe us having a world where Tommy Aspinall is a real deal and he can be in a title fight by mid next year, he's not going to be in a title fight until 24. And Curtis Blades is finally going to be in that, you know, still be in that conversation,
Starting point is 00:08:04 but be knocking on the door because I think Curtis Blades is going to fight the winner of gone to Ivasa. and whether that's for an interim belt or not, that's just how it'll flow. But if that fight's not for an interim belt, it will be a de facto number one contender fight. So that's good because Curtis Blades has been doing work for a long time. He deserves to get that opportunity.
Starting point is 00:08:27 Yeah, I mean, it's such a tough, you feel for Curtis too, because, I mean, he had, there's nothing he could have done about this, right? And sort of he takes the brunt of it. And now this was a big opportunity for him. Technically, he is now seven of his last eight, winning in the UFC heavyweight division. That is a damn good mark, regardless of how you get it. Jose, do you agree?
Starting point is 00:08:47 Like, if you're Curtis, what's the move right now? You just wait out for that UFC-Paris main event to play out and probably fight the winner of that. I know John Jones and him have said a couple things back and forth on social media and through interviews. That fight's very unlikely to happen because John seems pretty intent on fighting. Steve-Bae, Stipe wants to fight John.
Starting point is 00:09:06 The UFC wants to make that fight. It's just a matter of will they make that fight. I don't think John Jones is coming back to fight Curtis Blade. So process of elimination, I think the only fight left is what Jed said. The winner of the UFC Paris probably either for a number one contender fight or an interim title fight, which is just a number one contender with the shiny belt that they can stick on a poster. So that's pretty much it. There's really nothing left at heavyweight for Curtis Blades to do outside of wait for that main event.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Yeah, it's just so tough. You hate to see it. Obviously, we wish Tom Aspen all the best, hope he's okay. I hope this isn't going to be something that takes them out for a long time to come. In the end, it's 15 seconds. There's not much to talk about when it comes to something like this. So let's move on, guys. And let's talk about what actually was the highlight of the day,
Starting point is 00:09:49 because it was a pretty uneventful day for the most part until wouldn't you know it, it became the Molly and Patty show once again. I mean, Patty Pimbley. This dude did it again, man. Second round submission at Jordan Levitt. And to me, this was easily his best performance in the UFC. It was super, super slick stuff I thought, trapping that arm off the back take to get that rear naked choke. And the man even kept his word.
Starting point is 00:10:11 He got some tea bagging in there. Also, though, I will say a wonderful message afterwards about mental health and the importance of speaking out about those sorts of things. I have lost my father to suicide, so that hit me pretty hard. So I appreciate Patty for doing that. Jedman, I mean, this guy is now 3 and 0 in the UFC. And every time out, he comes off as more and more of a star. I mean, tonight was ridiculous. The entrance he got, the ovation he got. just all of it. It felt big. You've been pretty critical of Patty's abilities during this run. And to be fair, you're not alone.
Starting point is 00:10:42 I think a lot of us have. What are your takeaways from that, though? Did this change your mind at all? Not really. I mean, I've never said Patty's bad. I just don't think he's very good. But he has skills. And I've said before, like he could develop.
Starting point is 00:10:57 He's still young. But he is just in a place where his stardom far outstrips his ability, which isn't his fault. That's a good thing. Like you want to be a star and dude is this man a star like that the oh two is patty's house like I don't when they go back I know that there are reasons to have Leon Edwards or on or or whoever don't is Patty's house let him close the show and give him matchups he can win because yes Molly and Patty won't over people who are competent fighters I'm not here to disrespect
Starting point is 00:11:31 their opponents in that regard but like these were fights that weren't like super difficult for them, which is why the odds can show it. But they were still challenges, which is, that's how you should develop people and certainly how you should play to stars in their home crowd, you know, like don't give them a total softball, but don't give them, don't give Patty Elliott to Porre. You know, like that's an awful idea. Toroio would absolutely kill him. And you should super not do that.
Starting point is 00:11:55 This is good matchmaking. The only issue is that it was the third fight from the top instead of the top or at least the co-main. But that backtake was nasty. at just really savage stuff. I thought... Super slick, super, super slick. I thought Leavitt would be
Starting point is 00:12:12 more than an equal to Patty on the ground just because he is also a kind of a very good grappler and a super weird one. But that backtake was nasty. That knee that probably set up the backtake because it kind of feels like that knee hurt Leavitt was nasty. Like he is improving.
Starting point is 00:12:31 He is undeniably getting better every time in a time out. And if he can get him, continue to deliver those performances, dude, he could be a Connor McGregor-level star. If he was that good as a fighter, he would be a Connor McGregor-Megasar.
Starting point is 00:12:45 I don't think he is, but I kind of hope he can figure it out and be that because the sport can always use people of that magnitude. So, yeah, great night for him, great performance. Yeah, unbelievable, really. I mean, again, the reception, the scene, all of it afterwards. I mean, Jose, this whole week, Patty came off, as always really like a future star like someone who really could get some momentum behind him but
Starting point is 00:13:09 I mean this this was again in my opinion his best performance in the UFC what were your takeaways did this fight change your perception at all of this guy no because I wasn't down on him like so many others where I knew he was super talented because obviously if you want you remember our colleague beats a carroll he's been singing his praise for a long time to the fact where he's gone to cage warriors fights and I've had to edit a lot of his interviews back in the day and patty's always been like this so when he came to the UFC it was just I felt like it was only a matter of time. And I do like this gradual slow increase in competition.
Starting point is 00:13:38 It seems like every time he fights, he gets not a massive jump up, but like this slow build to showcase new things and showcase that he is a talented fighter. I don't think he's a top 10, top 15 fighter just yet, but he's a good fighter. He was a cage warrior's champion at one point, I believe. If not, I obviously fought for the title. He's a good fighter. He's not a bad fighter.
Starting point is 00:13:59 He's not bad at fist fighting human beings in an octagon. He's obviously undefeated for a real. reason everyone kind of knocking his skills like you saw him kind of you know get grounded into the fence and then he ended that first round on top still scored for jorne levitt and then he came like as you said trapped the arm impressively and finished the fight three and oh if he does if they do go back to the o two arena anytime soon which i absolutely do not think they will i think they came back to london way too soon uh if they go to manchester obviously i think he should headline that card with molly there obviously they can't go to liverpool because of the new sponsorships don't
Starting point is 00:14:33 Low Combat Sports in the Liverpool Arena, which is a travesty because that place would just melt. That arena would just melt to the ground if Patty Pindler headlines there. But I expect him probably to be on the MSG card, maybe the end of the year card with Molly. I feel like sticking the two scousers in Madison Square Garden in New York would be an ideal fight card for them to showcase their skillsless and a step up in competition. Also, Patty looked really big compared to Jordan. Jordan's obviously really strong for his size.
Starting point is 00:15:00 they just look like two different sized human beings in their fighting. So maybe a person that can challenge Patty physically in there as well. But yeah, I hope they find the MSG or the end of the year in Las Vegas. But if they go back to England, I hope it's Manchester. Apparently McCann already said they want to fight in Vegas at the end of the year talking to the ESPN crew, which makes sense. I mean, Vegas or MSG, I actually really like the MSG a little bit better. That feels like the proper sort of escalation, right, in terms of
Starting point is 00:15:30 at the world's most famous arena for combat sports, that sort of thing. I mean, Jose, Jed was saying earlier, you know, Patty could be a Connor level star if he had that level of talent. And I don't know that he does have that level of talent. He continues to prove people wrong, so it would be silly to say he doesn't. But feels like, you know, that's within the grasp of possibility. There's a timeline where that happens. How high do you feel like this could go?
Starting point is 00:15:56 Like, where's the ceiling on this for you? who is in all of combat sports who generates the most headlines outside of Conrader right now in 2022 this question for both of you there is an answer he's fighting in August all of combat sports the answer all of combat sports okay yeah that was correct so yeah jake paul tweeted about this fight and said pay patty his millions that answers your questions whether you guys are or whoever believes that Jake Paul is not a fighter or whoever or you hate him. Who cares? He generates headlines.
Starting point is 00:16:34 And he's tweeting him. He talks about Connor. He talks about Canelo. And now he's talking about Patty. So that should just tell you the level of stardom that, you know, Patty Pimbley should have. I mean, freaking Logan Paul, the older brother who he just fought Floyd Mayweather, Jr. who's the biggest box office attraction post 2000. And Logan Paul just fought him.
Starting point is 00:16:54 And he's saying he wants to fight Patty now. Like, come on, guys. He could be obviously a rock star. He signed this is why if you date, if you go look at the 2021 breakthrough fighter of the year on MMAfighting.com, you look at the voting. I voted Patty number one and he only had one fight in the UFC. This is why one fight in the UFC is already generating headlines and people are talking about him like that, signing a $1 million deal with Barstool after one fight. How many UFC fighters make a million dollars a fight? Almost none.
Starting point is 00:17:25 And he's doing that. And now he's bringing Molly up with him. I don't know how you can knock the guy. This is prize fighting after. Whether you believe he's a good fighter or not, or you dislike him as a person, you dislike the gimmick, you dislike his hair for whatever reason.
Starting point is 00:17:39 Prize-fighting wise. As a prize fighter, Patty Pimble is one of like the five to seven most fascinating fighters in the UFC. So he could be a rock star for sure. I mean, and again, I thought he had a really terrific message afterwards. So for all the criticism
Starting point is 00:17:55 and I understand the criticism, you know, it's very, some of it is certainly deserved, but I thought he used the platform in a very articulate and respectful way, and I appreciated it in that respect. I mean, Jed, I think there are still obvious questions about Patty's ceiling and his skill level and how high he could reach. I think Connor McGregor, obviously two-division champion. I don't ever see that happening for Patty. I would be stunned if he actually ever won a belt in his UFC career.
Starting point is 00:18:20 But again, you never know at this point in his career. He's still developing. I mean, if you're the matchmaker, it feels like you still have to be very careful with how you navigate this, right? Like, what do you do with this man? Like, how high do you push this for the next one? Whether it's in Vegas, MSG, wherever you go with it. It's going to be big. It's a really good question.
Starting point is 00:18:41 I think that you should continue to give him extremely winnable fights. At some point, you are not going to, you're going to have to, like, really, really test him. I don't think you need to do that. Like, at the moment, like, give him. him the full MVP uh, Bellator style matchmaking. Just give him a bunch of softballs
Starting point is 00:19:01 because there's no reason to potentially kill the golden goose. Let him continue developing. Nobody in that arena cared that Jordan Levitt was probably a winnable fight for him. They certainly didn't care about Luigi Vindramini or, or any of the other. They're just there to watch Patty do Patty stuff. So let him do that. Uh,
Starting point is 00:19:21 I don't know who I'm not a matchmaking guy. so I don't know who I would put against him. I will say, I don't think it can happen now because he did the whole WWE thing. There was a moment when it would have been an incredibly good idea and I know it was joked about or whatever, but like Logan Paul said he wanted to come to the UFC, he wanted to fight Patty.
Starting point is 00:19:43 The UFC should have just done it. She'd be like, yeah, sure. Because that's obviously not real combat in like any meaningful way, but it is real spectacle. And that would have been, enormous both for Patty at his career monetarily that would be like the ideal opponent for him at this point in time frankly but you know otherwise just give him another match of he can win if you want to do it at MSG if you want to do it instead of doing it in a fight night put him on the
Starting point is 00:20:11 main card of a pay-per-view at the end of the year in Vegas against a winnable matchup and do that I think any of no wrong way to eat that Reese just as long as you don't give amelia to for you. Don't do that. It's the only bad answer here. Jose, I see you frantically shaking your head this whole time. Hit me. Yeah, I like sports. I want to see him fight another UFC fighter. So he should fight Ottoman Azatar. He should fight Ottoman Azatar because they were tied to this event specifically. You know, Ottoman Azatar is undefeated. Paddy Hans, that man is first O. Also, not for nothing. We talk a lot about social media and what this matters and this and that.
Starting point is 00:20:46 I think it's all silly. I think people need to go outside and get off social media. But if those numbers do mean things to you. Adman Azatar almost has a million Instagram followers and he barely fights because he is an actual rock star in his home country of Morocco. Like he's eating with princes flying private jets all of this. He also happens to be an
Starting point is 00:21:04 undefeated UFC fighter. So yeah, he should fight Otman Azatar either in Las Vegas or in Madison Square Garden. I think that would be a fun buildup because they are just so polar opposite in terms of personalities. And again, if Patty wins, he takes that oath. Abman Azitir
Starting point is 00:21:19 wins the UFC already has a guy they can build off of with Patty yes opt Nasar is the guy that got released from the UFC because it was like that whole weird thing if he let people into the bubble that he wasn't supposed to what was in the bag Jose right and see now we're talking about it imagine the buildup and how many times that is going to be asked and how many times how many weird things he's going to say like oh it was a bag of potatoes oh it was this oh it was that that's the fight to make Like we're not going to pretend like there's another good option. You should fight Ottoman Azatar.
Starting point is 00:21:51 I want to see that fight. I do want to know what was in the bag. He's, Jose sold me. Whoever said Marco Madsen, God, no, for sure. I know that is not. Jose, Jose did it right. That's a good answer.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Yeah, I think I agree with you, fellas. Anybody who's sort of in that periphery of maybe like the top 30, like 25, 30 range, like just again, you want, you want Patty to win at this point. point if you're the U. So you want to keep this going. You don't want to just throw them a wrestler. You don't want to just throw them somebody who's going to basically end this whole party before it really gets going. Right. In the meantime, fellas, let's keep it rolling because again, Patty was only half of this show and Meatball. Molly Meatball did it again, y'all. Like another spinning back knockout
Starting point is 00:22:35 by Molly McCann. This time, it starts the beginning of the end against Hannah Goldie. And she really brought this card alive because this thing was struggling before she came out there and did that. To win is one thing. but can you believe lightning actually struck twice, Jed? No, I did not anticipate. I thought she would win because she should have won that fight. I didn't think it would look that good. And I don't think anyone could have imagined that another spinning back elbow would be involved,
Starting point is 00:23:06 which I think makes her one of two people in the UFC that have a spinning back elbow knockouts, even though this one's a little different. I think the other ones are Carter Ramos. Could be wrong on that. Don't quote me on that one. But yeah, she looks sensational. Everything you said is correct.
Starting point is 00:23:23 The card desperately, desperately needed a jolt of life. And she gave it to everybody. Tremendous on the mic as always. She and Patty are a great one-two punch. They should never not fight on the same card because it's just a joy to watch them. Be so excited about each other too. Like, I'm not a big Patty Pimbleck guy. I don't, he's just, it's fine.
Starting point is 00:23:47 Like, I don't care. but it is very exciting to, you know, watch how enthusiastic they are about each other and seeing Patty's celebration backstage after Molly gets the win and then Molly coming down to the cage with Patty, it's just like, that's just good vibes, you know? I'm here for the good vibes.
Starting point is 00:24:02 So yeah, it was a great, great performance and just good vibes all along. Good vibes always, man. That's all we're ever trying to do here on this show, right? We're just all about the vibes. Jose, I mean, this is three in a row now for Molly. I think a lot of people are a little surprised sort of how far this has come for her.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Like she is not somebody who, I think a lot of people would earmarked as a potential star when she came into the UFC, but boy, it's happening. Like this was, again, one of the biggest moments on the whole card, and she was sort of one of the biggest names throughout the whole week.
Starting point is 00:24:30 Does it feel to you? Like she is becoming one of the bigger stars that the UFC has in these women's divisions. In terms of star and drumming up interest, obviously, she's obviously been like a talented striker for a long time. She's one of two women in the UFC to have three straight wins with over 100 significant strikes in those three straight fights. The only other one is Yawanna and J. Chick, who obviously many people put it on the Mount Rushmore of women's mixed martial arts.
Starting point is 00:24:55 So Molly's always been a talented fighter. She's just run into these, like the Tyler Santos fight. Tyler just kind of wrestled her. And then the Laura Pacheco fight, is that who she lost to? Another thing, she just got kind of overwhelmed with the grappling inside the empty arena. And then she's kind of put it all together. Now she took a step back and she's just been rattling off all these wins. If you throw her into the top 15, it might be a rough night for the scouser, but she's obviously one of the more interesting personalities in all of the UFC, not just women's mixed martial arts.
Starting point is 00:25:24 She, of course, has that one million dollar contract with Barstil, too. So that just goes to show you how well of a prize fighter she is. She already got the bag that most fighters are chasing for, and she's been in the UFC for a minute. So, yeah, super interesting individual, talented striker. I worry that if they throw her in there with, like, we've all talked about it with a high-level wrestler or a grappler. whatever, she's just going to be kind of ground out into the canvas or the octagon like we've seen in the past. So don't do that.
Starting point is 00:25:50 Give her fun fights until you have to give her those grapplers and let her build back up and never put it on a different card than Patty Pimble. I don't think they want to compete on different cards. I want to see that cam of Patty and Molly always watching the other one. So yeah, it's great. Even when we were in Phoenix and they were doing the press conferences and Molly was just absolutely bombed out of her mind. It was just a good time.
Starting point is 00:26:12 She's just a walking good... roasting the hell out of you. She's just roasting the hell out of you. Yeah, she is. She still does. I still get tags. She still tags me in Nando stuff on Twitter. So just a walking good vibe generated from Molly McCann.
Starting point is 00:26:25 Yeah, it's an interesting conundrum with both of them. First of all, I agree with you 100% Jose of at this point, you can't split these guys up. Like Molly and Patty need to be on the same card regardless. Like it's just the vibes are immaculate and it's just a good time for all. And again, see how many times you can keep this rolling. But Jed, is it, does this feel similar? or at all almost like identical to the Patty type of situation dilemma that the UFC is in where I don't know that a lot of us are earmarking Molly as a future champion, but again, she is so,
Starting point is 00:26:54 she's becoming so popular with these knockouts and the way that she's being received by this London crowd. Does it feel to you like this is a similar situation to Patty where almost her popularity is exceeding her abilities, or are you actually a little bit more high on Molly than you are on Patty in terms of her ability to make it into maybe top 10, top 15 and do some damage you there. I believe you're muted, my man. It's a little bit of both, my bad, because I think it's undeniable that her star power outseat exceeds her ability because, as Jose said, she got a million dollar bag and she is not a million dollar fighter based on the current pay structures of MMA, you know, like that's just not that those two things are not the same. But I think
Starting point is 00:27:41 she is a better fighter right now compared to her division than Patty is to his. Some of that, is because Patty competes in the best division in the sport. Molly competes in a good division, but not the best division in the sport. So there's a little more room. Also, Patty's a little bit more, like still has more to develop in fight years and fight game. I think Molly is mostly a cooked meatball at this point. She is what she is, where she can make small minor improvements. But she may crack into my top 15 this month for rankings.
Starting point is 00:28:13 And I think she has, she has a better chance to be. a top 15 top 10 fighter just because I think she's pretty close to already there whereas patty has a long way to go i don't think she she probably has less of a chance to like if you play it out a thousand times to find the lane that gets her into the top five title contention whereas patty there's more of an opportunity for that even though i would say it's maybe more likely that molly at least becomes a top 10 fighter if that makes sense so uh i think she's looked great every time in and she obviously is drawing interest and I think you can be a little more
Starting point is 00:28:49 a little riskier with her in part because we've already seen her lose it hasn't really set her back that that much but you can throw her I'm trying to think of who's like in that top 15ish category for for the flyway rankings right you got like Andrea Lee Macy Barber
Starting point is 00:29:05 those type of things the fight the fight because she's got a fight Jimmy Lee the fight to make is the Marina Moro's fight two both of them have boxing backgrounds Marina Moroes is coming off that win over Agapov. She's kind of been in that top 15 or just outside for such a long time. Molly actually, her first love was boxing. And Marina was obviously the coach of the women's Ukrainian boxing team for a long time.
Starting point is 00:29:30 So I think that's the fight to make. Or just give her Misha Tate because Tate's apparently washed. So just build a star, baby. That actually isn't the worst matchmaking. That's not a bad fight. I'm being real. That actually isn't the worst idea. to be honest.
Starting point is 00:29:46 You get my mind, you got my mind working on that one. I wasn't even thinking about Misha, but that's, I'm kind of here for that. Jose, last thing on Molly, and then we'll move on. Right now, if you look at the MMA fighting global rankings, which are the only rankings that matter in the entire sport. I'm just saying. Molly McCann is not on the top 15, just globally
Starting point is 00:30:03 when it comes to 125 of the women's class. For you, come next ranking title, you're not part of the panel, but just in general, if you were, would you put her in the top 15? Do you feel like she deserves to be there yet or maybe not yet? I think she's in that 16 to 19 range. She's not quite in the top 15 yet. Now, if someone ranks her at 15, 14, I'm not going to argue with it.
Starting point is 00:30:22 I just think she needs one. Like, can you guys off the top of your head? Can you name who she knocked out in the last UFC London card? Oh, man. Probably not. I just did this game with someone else, and they couldn't did it. I knew the answer. And now I've already forgotten the answer.
Starting point is 00:30:35 Right. You forgot it. It's Juan, Carolina. The only reason I know that is because that question was asked earlier today, and I looked it up, though. There you go. So I think she needs one more win. And it has to be over a name that people recognize. Like obviously, anytime you fist fight, a UFC fighter, it's a tough task.
Starting point is 00:30:53 But if the name value isn't there, you're probably not going to get all the recognition. Hannah Goldie is how many pro fights does she even have 10, 11, something like that? I think she just needs one more. And then she's in the top 15. But if she's 15, so be it. Hannah Goldie only had seven or eight pro fights before this, sorry. Correct. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:14 I think that's fair. I think that's a fair conversation to have. But regardless, it was a lot of fun for those 30 minutes that we had these guys back to back. And I just wish the rest of the car would have been like that. But it wasn't. And so let's sort of jump it around on the rest of this car. When I got a great deal on a great gift at winners, I started wondering, could I get fabulous gifts for everyone on my list? Like this designer fragrance for my daughter. It's just $39.99. How could I resist? This luxurious will throw for my sister.
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Starting point is 00:31:59 because there's not a lot to talk about there. I actually want to go to, I think, one of the sadder outcomes, maybe just if you're a longtime fan of the sport. Alexander Gustafin, man, he kind of flew under the radar. This whole week, I think a lot of people didn't even realize he was fighting on this card. It was his first fight in the last two years. He's sort of been in and out of retirement. In their defense.
Starting point is 00:32:22 This whole time. He was not fighting on this card. He did not fight on this card in their defense. He got murdered. It was rough, man. 67 seconds. This is now his fourth loss in a row. This time it was Nikita Krilov.
Starting point is 00:32:35 All those losses are finishes. This one was a pretty bad knockout in Giskanah was one-way traffic the whole way through. like you could tell the first 15 seconds where this one was headed. Jose, man, I mean, Gus is 35 years old. He is not an old man by any stretch, but maybe in fight years he is certainly older. But what do you make of this? Is this kind of do it?
Starting point is 00:32:55 Are you still wanting to see Gustafin fight? Is this sort of, D.C.'s calling for his retirement tonight. Where are you at with Gustafin at this point? I mean, I feel, I feel weird when he does fight. I feel weird when he fights because he doesn't. That's a really good way to explain it because I agree with you. There's a weird feeling when he fights now, right? Because he's already in the Hall of Fame.
Starting point is 00:33:17 He's already one of the greatest fighters of all time, like light heavy weights of all time. He really was the flag bear for that European, not just Sweden, but like all of European MMA. I feel like the UFC really kind of got behind Alexander Augustin, and he's beaten some of the best fighters ever. He's even going up to heavyweight and challenged and got steamrolled by Verdun, but he challenged him nonetheless.
Starting point is 00:33:36 So I just feel weird because a fighter of that caliber, I don't want to just be like, oh, you got to go. Like, I feel weird saying that. But at the same time, he's already retired once. And I was pretty confident he was never going to come back at retirement after that. So I don't know, man. I mean, I'm never going to be bummed when he fights because I think he's, I enjoy watching him fight.
Starting point is 00:33:58 But if it's going to be like this again and again and again, maybe it is time to hang it up. And if he wants one more, like we've all heard the rumors of that card in Sweden coming up, just, you know, give him one more fight. Give him someone that maybe you can go out on a W with. Give him a gimmie, though. right yeah give him a gimmie if he wants to like if he doesn't want that you know maybe matt because he's had a lot of fights fall out over the last few years maybe he could just match him up with the guy that he was matched up with before uh he's already done camps for but i guess the phrase is i just
Starting point is 00:34:26 feel weird when he fights what about you jed you you sort of same spot as us with this my answer is the same as always is knees uh i would prefer if he retired be a lot it would make me feel better because then I won't have to watch him and feel sad. But I'm never going to tell somebody how they can and can't make money unless it's Bigfoot Silva. And that's more that you shouldn't, like, there should not be a commission that literally sanctions that man to fight. They still do.
Starting point is 00:34:56 But, you know, if he wants to keep fighting, he wants to come back for the Sweden card. Do your thing. I would just be a lot happier if he chose not to do that. And it would be a lot cooler if he was going to keep fighting for the UFC to just give him a softball because previously his losses have felt that he just wasn't engaged right we talked about in the preview show it just seemed like he wasn't all the way there you know he he he was competitive at points against uh anthony smith who's good and the john jones rematch etc that one was he his chin just crumbled instantaneous at the first shot he ate he was he was on stilts for the
Starting point is 00:35:37 rest of the short, short fight. I think his chin probably is pretty gone because it's not like Cryloff is an enormous hitter. And so that, a heavy weight that's really tough because that's a division where everybody can kind of hit you. Yeah, if he's going to keep fighting, I would love for the UFC to give him a small middleweight, who's bad?
Starting point is 00:36:00 Like, do that sort of thing with him. Just give him a win because it makes us. feel good, but it would honestly, he probably should have just retired. Was it at the Sweden card that he, he like hung up the gloves and then came back? He probably should have just stayed gone there. You know, like that feels like the right answer. And I don't know why he chose to come back, but it hasn't gone great for him. Yeah, something about tonight, too, was just so, it's just really uncomfortable from
Starting point is 00:36:34 the, from the go, right? because it was just not competitive from the first five seconds of that fight. And similar with the Verdoom fight, that was not competitive either. It's been a long time at this point since Gulf System was competitive. His last win is over Glover-Deshirea. And Glover-Deshire is still going. And Gustavson seemingly- Five years ago. Cooked.
Starting point is 00:36:49 The life cycle in MMA is just so erratic and you can never predict it, man. It's super unfortunate. We're going to get to the peeps here in a second. But before we do, we do have to at least address this co-main event. Jack Hermanson beating Chris Curtis. Chris Curtis was very upset about it. I'm not sure why Jackermanston was throwing. He threw over 250 strikes, landed 100.
Starting point is 00:37:11 Like Jacker Manson was busy. Chris Curtis just couldn't really figure out how to cut him off and actually get his range going. Jed, I see you just already trying to burst in. What's up? Oh, it's easy to know why, because occasionally you get really mad at yourself for not being as good as you wanted to be at something. Take golf, for instance.
Starting point is 00:37:30 And then you might blame it on other things. Like I might want to be a good golfer. And then when I hassle rocket one into the trees, I might be like, damn, I hate this friggin six iron. What a piece of shit club it is when actually it's entirely operator trouble. And that's what that was. Chris Curtis is really mad that he thought he was better than he was. And he had no answer for basic footwork and kicking from Jackermanston. I don't know whether it was just an off night or whether he just doesn't have the ability to actively cut a cage very effectively.
Starting point is 00:38:01 But he didn't have anyone to be mad at but himself because Jacker Manson. Manson fought a really smart, really good fight that I frankly didn't think he had in him. And I mean, he didn't kill Chris Curtis, but he comfortably won in my estimation three rounds. Some of the judges gave that third to Curtis. But yeah, he has no one to be mad at but himself. Yeah, I echo that 100%. Jose, what do you think in regards to this whole thing? We saw him afterwards Chris Curtis flipping him off.
Starting point is 00:38:28 Jack, I even got a little upset. It was very out of character for Jack who's like one of the nicest guys out here. What did you make of this whole thing? I mean, you're telling me that someone's whose main training partner, Sean Strickland, is just kind of a lose canon after they lose. Shocking. Shocking. But yeah, Chris Curtis, he lost three rounds.
Starting point is 00:38:45 I mean, Jack Cermanston essentially, how long ago did he get this fight? Like two weeks, maybe? A week and a half ago? Yeah. Like, really, like a couple weeks. Like Jackramanson has basically done like two or three full camps to get ready for Darren Till, who just, you know, is all footworked in and out and counter striking. So Jack Cermanson is like, well, I've.
Starting point is 00:39:04 done all of this striking, I might as well just, you know, keep the distance and outstrike Chris Curtis. Chris Curtis has also, you know, been a welterweight for a big majority of his career, too, now that he's fighting a middleway. Like, even A.K. Lee and our slacks, you know, was like, oh, I forget that Chris Curtis is a middleweight this time. Jack Hermanson was just, you know, using his range well and just won. He just won three, he just won three comfortable rounds in my book. I don't quite agree with Chris Curtis saying he was, you know, running the whole time. he just couldn't get through that reach of Jackermanson who just kept, like you said, how many strikes do you throw 200?
Starting point is 00:39:37 It's not running. That's not running, my guy. That's just, you know, a hellacious barrage of strikes that you just couldn't figure out. And he's probably just frustrated. Whether he goes back and realize that, I have no idea, but I can understand the frustration if you fly all the way across the world to fight someone and you just get a perfect game thrown at you. It's got to be a frustrating feeling. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:01 I mean, it was a wonderful story we had going with Chris Curtis, right? I've been saying it's one of the best stories we had going in MMA. This is sort of a weird way for its end, but obviously he'll continue on in the UFC. He's going to continue getting fights. They love guys like this who's going to step up on a moment's notice. Maybe he'll actually go back to his real division, which he's a welterweight. He was never really a middleweight to begin with. So he kind of has sort of an open option now.
Starting point is 00:40:23 But meanwhile. Middleweight's a bad division. So you can make a lot more hay in a bad division than in welterweight, which is a very good division. that's fair but he did look much much smaller than jack her manson in there tonight he looked like a well-to-weight fight in a middle-weight uh kacey let's get you in here let's get the peeps in here in the meantime we'll run down some other results also vulcan ozdemair with a weird one over paul craig but i kind of am just thoroughly enjoying any paul craig fight they're very weird and i'm here for it and i thought i actually really enjoyed that i think more than most people uh also nathan wood looks tremendous against charles rossi and jonathan pierce getting the only finish on the undercard against macawan Mirkani and Mohammed Mikhail just dominating Charles Johnson. That to me was a standout performance as well. Casey, who was your star from this event? If you get one takeaway star, who is it?
Starting point is 00:41:11 I mean, outside of Patty and Molly? No, he could be Patty. Patty and Molly. I mean, there were the stars going into the event and they became bigger stars after the event, especially with not, especially with Aspenol, unfortunately what happened. The shine is all on them now. There's not, it's not being kind of, you know, uh, this word, uh, mixed in with all, every, with Aspinall.
Starting point is 00:41:35 But, uh, yeah, Patty. And, uh, who else looked good? Um, mostly it was a lot of bad, honestly. It was like who looked, who looked, who looked, who, yeah, it was one this, yeah, we don't have these cards often, but, you know, this is one of them where we're kind of talking about the negatives more than the positives, unfortunately, but they can't all be winners. It's, they can't all be winners.
Starting point is 00:41:58 and it's fair to acknowledge when it happens. All right, Casey, what are the peeps saying? Two of the peeps saying. Let's hit a couple questions here before we get out of here. Oh, there we go. All right, this one's coming from our good bud. Joseph Boza, he says, is Curtis screwed at heavyweight. The problem is two of his three losses in the UFC. Problem is two of his three losses in the UFC in his career are to the champ Francis.
Starting point is 00:42:21 Yeah, I mean, guys, we sort of talked about this on the preview show where Curtis has been around for a long time in his division. He has beaten a lot of guys. The only people he's lost to is. Derek Lewis and Francis and Ghana, which if that's your run in heavyweight, that's a damn good run. I don't know that he's screwed. We sort of laid it out at the beginning of he might actually slide into an interim title shot depending on how this Francis saga plays out, but what do you think about this question? I don't think his losses to Francis matter at this point, like honestly at all.
Starting point is 00:42:49 One, Francis is Francis may or may not leave. If he leaves and it super doesn't matter, but even if he doesn't, like Curtis is just, there's a time window where that could have been like the blocker to him getting a title fight, but it's gone. He's just beating all the people. And the way the division is laid out, if he wins his next fight, which as we discussed, should be a number one contender slash interim title fight, doesn't matter who's a champ. It doesn't matter what else is going on. He's just going to get the title fight because he's the number three heavyweight in the world.
Starting point is 00:43:19 And he will beat another top five heavyweight in that regard. So, yeah, I don't think it actually affects him at all at this point in time. I think as long as Blades gets another like a type of victory like he had over Dachas essentially not a not a fight like he was a Rosenstroke
Starting point is 00:43:37 they kind of was grinded up for 25 minutes so we kind of just pretend never happened 15. Oh 15 felt like 25 yeah as long as he I think he just needs one more of those fights and then he's back
Starting point is 00:43:49 and then we're like all right he's 0 and 2 against Francis if Francis is still the champ then they're running back and there's a new Curtis Blades so no I don't think Also, I will say it does kind of seem like it might set up for him pretty nicely dependent on what happens with Francis because obviously then he would fight the tie to Ivasa
Starting point is 00:44:06 versus Cyril Gahn winner. And I think most of us would pick Cyril Gond to win that fight right now. And we saw against Francis wrestling might be the way to beat Cyril Gahn and Curtis Blades can certainly do that. So there is a roadmap for Curtis right now. I think it's more just getting the, I guess the fans and moving the needle enough for the UFC to really push him as far as that. that main
Starting point is 00:44:28 obviously the resume is there the skills there it's just the popularity I guess to that's there's just nobody else at heavyweight is the thing though like I would agree and normally that would be
Starting point is 00:44:39 the blocker here but like if he beats if he beats gone and gone beats Tuivasa there ain't there ain't another soul with the heavy weight you could do like that's just it
Starting point is 00:44:48 he's just having your boy Alexander Romanov is at home just punching air right now that you won't mention him no I would love Romano do well but Romanovs
Starting point is 00:44:56 like he's going to fight like a top 10ish dude and they're not going to be like and because tom's dead like if tom had if this had been like a tight fight and could have gone either way and blades won a nip tuck decision and then aspinall could fight romanov maybe that could happen tom's probably out for a year and robinov's nowhere near a title fight at this point so it's just the seas have parted blades has a very linear path in and it won't matter at all and especially won't matter francis sleeves then it will then it's whatever Yeah, what else we got, Casey? Oh, right.
Starting point is 00:45:32 This one's coming from Medi, who says, what do you think Patty should improve on to become a top five lightweight? His BJJ seems solid, striking is good, avoids damage. I don't know about that. I would disagree on the avoiding damage part. But he adds, I feel he is up there already. Jose, what do you think, man? What is lacking for you right now with Patty
Starting point is 00:45:49 in terms of his ability to maybe climb into that top 10, top five space? Any sort of defense or head movement, I guess? his defense seems to be right now, just kind of run forward and then just kind of, you know, eat like six, seven punches, grab his opponent, grapple him down and just kind of use, like, he's also like his last three opponents. He's just been bigger than, like, he's just physically, like physically bigger than his last three opponents. Like, as we've all said, Joyne Levitt is, uh, surprisingly and deceivingly strong for his frame
Starting point is 00:46:18 and build. Like, we saw him just kind of pick Patty up and drop him. But Patty seems to have like really good reactive grappling. Like he can snatch necks. He can snatch arms. snatch bodies and arm trialing and stuff like that. But to do that, you have to put yourself in risk. So I would guess I would say, tighten up that defense, you know, get some sort of head
Starting point is 00:46:39 movement. Because if they give him a striker who has good to take down defense, that could be an interesting stylistic matchup for me. So I guess I would say striking. We also haven't really seen Patty against like a one hitter, like one hitter, quitter type of guy that can just dead a human being. He's fought three guys that are not really. him against that.
Starting point is 00:46:57 Right. I agree, but that's why I said, Abin Azatar, because he's another, like, physically strong, lightweight that hits really, really hard.
Starting point is 00:47:08 Is he still in the UFC? I mean, he is, yeah. Okay. He knocked out your boy, Kammerworthy, I think,
Starting point is 00:47:15 his last fight. How long ago was that? 2020. It was a while. It was the end of so, like, yeah, it was like, September.
Starting point is 00:47:24 Okay, yeah. I was just like, I'm trying to, remember like I vaguely remember that guy just know about him and the bag of potatoes that's all I remember from him he's uh he's two and oh in the UFC with two knockouts and out of which have gotten out of the first round and he has a brother who's also in the UFC i don't think his brother's cut no oh brother's cut okay and his brother get cut because of yeah we don't need to go yeah let's not do that yes yes he was though jett yeah Jose is correct though patty does not have good defense nor does he avoid damage
Starting point is 00:47:56 which he and like if he gets that Dustin Poyer was really just dog shit defensive fighter too and then he got really good at it and became a top five fighter like that's interim champion like that that that's the path right there because Dustin Porey hit really hard and was a competitive fighter but his defense was trash that's why Connor tuned him up and then he got good defense
Starting point is 00:48:19 and look at him now so that's the path patty yeah I agree uh this next one's coming from Sheila who says what happened between Hermanson and Curtis before the fight why did Curtis act like that after the fight and why did Hermanson apologize to him well it seemed like her Manson apologized to him because her Manson yelled F you right afterwards and they were sort of having that little exchange and it I don't know to me it just seemed like Curtis was very upset at what we said earlier right the the frustration of not being able to figure it out and jack may be running away that lasts like 20 seconds he definitely did that and hermanson apologize because he's just a good
Starting point is 00:48:53 dude. It's a very good. Salt of the earth. It was just like, hey, I'm sorry fans. I'm sorry that I won dominantly and cleanly. Like, just a great guy. He literally used his post-fight interview. Be like, hey, Tom Aspinall's probably going to come out here and entertain you guys.
Starting point is 00:49:09 Gotcha. Didn't age well. Did not age well. But it was a good thought. Appreciate the sentiment. In the moment, it was nice. All right. Casey, let's hit one or two more and then we will get out of here.
Starting point is 00:49:21 Yeah. Just more of a comment I think going along what we said This one's coming from Jordan says Jack was running not Chris's fault He wanted to hang But Jack wasn't letting it happen
Starting point is 00:49:32 Yeah Jack needed a win man This was a big fight for Jack Like he really needed a win Not running Oh no no he was not running It is entirely Chris's fault Chris could not effectuate Offence against a man
Starting point is 00:49:44 Who was kicking him repeatedly That's not running That's beating a man's ass People don't like because they get all tied up into the spectacle and the prize fighting and the pro-rasselan type of aspect of the UFC, but we forget it to sport and people put game plans together and they're not always exciting. Also, though, Chris Curtis could fight him. But also, the card plays been played a huge role in this.
Starting point is 00:50:09 If this is the first fight of the main card, no one's, no one cares. No one's talking about it like this. No one's criticizing anybody. We had a really slow and somewhat dreadful card. and then it got picked up in a hurry by the two scousers, and then we were immediately thrown into this, and it went right back down, and everyone got mad. That's what happened.
Starting point is 00:50:29 Also, Chris Curtis figured out how to fight him in round three. He learned cage cutting between rounds two and three, and he had his most success round. He still lost that round, but he at least stopped chasing him and getting kicked and cut the cage off and managed to effectuate offense. Could have done that for 10 minutes beforehand. Maybe he'd had a better shot.
Starting point is 00:50:47 And Chris Curtis being the smaller, middleweight wasn't as big as a disadvantage when his last two victories that we saw were in the UFC apex cage, which is significantly smaller. He actually went against a real full-size middle weight in the full-sized octagon. And yeah, and he just was not prepared to, uh, and the style to because like I think Curtis expected her, because I certainly did, expected Hermanson to do it off of Vera. He thought Hermanson would come into him and try and wrestle, which obviously he's really good at. And Hermannsen just didn't do it And then Curtis had no plan B
Starting point is 00:51:21 It could also just have nothing to do with any of that And Jack Hermanson is just a better mixed martial arts fighter Like if they fight 10 times I think Jack Hermanson wins 10 times Yeah but I think that fights different in this In a smaller cage I still think Jack wins The fight is dude that
Starting point is 00:51:38 Cage is what two thirds to size? L and L. Yeah still an L but there's a difference in the dominance of but obviously just Chris Curtis just I hate saying it got exposed a bit but that's what you need. He's still funny. It'll still be around.
Starting point is 00:51:53 Oh, yeah, yeah. All right, Casey, let's get one more. One more. Also, just here and here on the Post-Fite show while you look, speaking of the Patty and Molly show, apparently Drake is buying Patty and Molly Rolex watches with his giant winnings that he just won on Patty tonight. So there you go.
Starting point is 00:52:11 Even Drake is in on Patty and Molly. Let me see. do do I had the question Oh you know what We talked a lot about Gus Let's talk about the other guy Al Capone All right
Starting point is 00:52:24 This one's coming from Joseph Boza Who says did Nikita save his job tonight I think if he lost tonight With Contender Series coming up He would have been fired Because that would have been three in a row I don't know about that I mean I don't know if I agree with that
Starting point is 00:52:36 But what do you guys think You know what Nikita Krilov Is essentially just the light heavyweight Alexander Volkov Just gets mauled One fight and then comes back and just smokes a dude in 30 seconds and all of a sudden he has another big name after that.
Starting point is 00:52:49 Like Nikita Krilyke, like for as much as we talk about, like, oh, Nikita Krilov isn't this knockout guy. He's only made, reach the judge's decision once. Oh, yeah. He's a getter dude, got guy through and throw. Yeah, that you make him fight anyone. Someone's dying in that fight, unless for whatever bizarre reason you fight Johnny Walker and he's the only guy that doesn't finish Johnny Walker these days.
Starting point is 00:53:10 So, yeah, Nikita Krolov is a bad dude. He just fights really good. fighters that beat him. Also, he was like in the key to cry love fight. I think he alluded like he wasn't 100% when he fought Paul Craig or something like that. There's also a lot going on in the world with both of his home countries.
Starting point is 00:53:28 So maybe that was, you know, a little bit of a disadvantage in that side. If we're going to talk about... He also was killing Paul Craig until he got caught. Yeah, until Paul Craig did the Paul Craig thing. Yeah, he had a lot going on both in and out of the Octagon at that time. We're going to talk about Cade size and stuff.
Starting point is 00:53:43 You know, one of his countries was invading the other one of his countries in the middle of his camp. So it's a lot going on. Also, I mean, you've got to say, you look at the guys he loses too. Yeah. It's a pretty elite group.
Starting point is 00:53:55 It's young COVID's, Glover DeSherra, Paul Craig, and Mago Man Anclyev. Two of those men are former champions. One of them is a future champion, and then the other is Paul Craig. Like, that's not who just does weird stuff. So, like, that's not the worst runoff opponents to lose to. Does the split decision to Glover?
Starting point is 00:54:11 Yeah. Split decision. If Gus has temp bites again, And him, I think someone threw it up, I threw it up that comment, but him versus Paul Craig makes a lot of sense. That's what I tweeted, because they were supposed to fight once before. Yeah, it was. And then I can't remember who pulled out, but I think that's the fight. I almost, I almost, someone said OSP and that kind of feels okay to me too.
Starting point is 00:54:32 That fight is just going to be awful, so I don't want to do that. But no, but there's a high likelihood no one's going to get seriously hurt. I know. I mean, maybe. How soft are we now? I mean, we're, we watch Kajai and poor a profession. I'm soft for people I feel like no one gets hurt. I mean, no.
Starting point is 00:54:52 I hope my feelings don't get hurt, Casey. Yeah. I had to watch Paul Craig knock out friggin' shogun hooa. Now you make me do it again to Gus. Like, that's just wrong. I was about to say, like, if you look like someone might not get hurt, Paul Craig, not only did he finish Shogun, Shogun tapped to strikes and then he snapped Jamal Hill
Starting point is 00:55:14 arm in half in Arizona. So yeah, you fight Paul Craig, you might get hurt. Yeah, that's exactly. I don't want her. You know what? Shogun is the fight. That's actually the fight I want. Is Shogun?
Starting point is 00:55:27 Oh, rematch. A rematch. No, no, no, no. That is, I kind of like that. The Shogun fight was the one that back in the day was that propelled Gus to the first title shot against John Jones kind of go full circle at. I don't hate that. I'm fine with that.
Starting point is 00:55:42 I will die on the hill that. I will die. on the hill that Leotaotao Machita has one fight after his one last fight in Bellator UFC re-signs him we finally get the trilogy and then they can both retire and fuck off that's what I want Machita can go do karate combat
Starting point is 00:55:56 and Shogh Legends you're acting as if Shogun has one more fight and is going to retire that dude's going to fight for another 10 years he just said he was he said he was going to have two more and the shit he's going to keep it going long enough
Starting point is 00:56:10 to like Casey's going to be in the UFC by the time shot of me Casey's going to be Shogun's retirement fight. Shogun, that is a fight I'm okay with. I accept that fight. All right.
Starting point is 00:56:22 Well, Casey hit that music. It's that time. It's only four o'clock here in the afternoon on the West Coast. It is absolutely lovely. We have a whole little Saturday afternoon, or I guess, night we can enjoy fellas. Good stuff. Good stuff, everyone.
Starting point is 00:56:37 This has been the UFC London host fight show. Wish we could have ended on a better note with Tommy Aspinall and Curtis Blades. it is what it is, I guess. It's just what we get in MMA. Sometimes we don't deserve good things. Some of it was fun, though, and we appreciate you for hanging out with us.
Starting point is 00:56:52 Keep it locked to MMA fighting. As always, we will keep you posted. Continuing coverage from UFC London, MMA hour back on Monday. You know the drill. On to the next one to Sunday. Got the whole crew. It's good times, good vibes.
Starting point is 00:57:06 We love you guys. That man is Jed Mishu. You got Jose Young's over there, the undefeated. E. Casey Layden right there. I am Sean O'Shty. Have a great rest of your weekend, and we'll see you soon. Love you guys.
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