MMA Fighting - UFC Long Island Post-Fight Show | What's Next At 145 After Heartbreaking End To Yair Rodriguez vs. Brian Ortega?

Episode Date: July 16, 2022

Yair Rodriguez got himself a victory in the main event of UFC Long Island against Brian Ortega, but it certainly wasn’t how he drew it up.  Following Saturday’s event in New York, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, José Youngs, and Jed Meshew react to the heartbreaking injury stoppage win for Rodriguez over Ortega in the headliner of the UFC’s return to ABC. In addition, they discuss where the featherweight division goes following the result and what it could mean for champ Alexander Volkanovski, where Josh Emmett fits in the conversation, Lauren Murphy’s big win over Miesha Tate, the chaotic Bill Algeo vs. Herbert Burns, and Matt Schnell vs. Sumudaerji fights, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Jose Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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As UFC, Long Island has come to an end, and ladies and gentlemen, especially if you are newer fans, we have learned a valuable lesson. The MMA gods giveth, and they taketh away within a matter of minutes. And that is what has happened during this card. UFC Long Island is shaping up to be one of the great ones. When we look back on fight night events,

the whole card was really solid. We had a lot of finishes, a lot more than a lot of people expected. And then the main event ends with, heartbreak. Brian Ortega, Yayre Rodriguez. We were looking forward to a war between these two guys. And in the end, it ends abruptly. Brian Ortega suffers a shoulder injury. Looks like a torn labrum. Yaya Rodriguez gets the victory. But does he get a title shot after this? I have a feeling that question is going to come up here on the UFC Long Island Post Fight Show. Thank you for joining us. I am Mike Heck joined by the rest of the trio here. We got Jose Youngs. We got Jed

Mishu, the takes will be fiery. They will be fiery indeed. Jed? I don't know. Well, let's start with you, Jed. You are, as many people know from watching BTL and all the programs we do, you are very high. You are a very big fan of the work that Brian Ortega has put in inside the Octagon. Huge fan.

Big big fan. So after seeing the way that this fight unfolded, the way that it ended, what is your reaction to it all? I'm sure it's the same as everybody's, but. Let's just hear it from the man himself. Yeah, it sucks. It sucks because, like, I'm, there's a part of me that's like, well, at least he didn't win because I really just super don't like when Brown-Rotega wins, which he does a lot, so that's unfortunate for me.

But this is, like, the least fun way for him to lose, just like an obvious, not a real thing. Like, oh, that was just a, we don't, flukes is a word I don't like to use a lot in fighting because like it's not really a lucky punch you throw the punch in at lands you were trying to punch the dude and that you know that's just how the cookie crumbles but there's obviously a fluke sort of event and and how that happened and so it's just a bummer especially because the fight was really fun too like i mean it wasn't like really fun it wasn't matt snell sumadhergy fun but like they were getting after it on the feet there was that big long clinch which was whatever but Ortega had just gotten him down

and it looked like, okay, well, there's a minute left and now we're going to do the Ortega thing. Like this could be a really fun back and forth battle. And then it just, aside from the fact that it also ended so awkwardly, because I was doing the live blog and I was like typing something at the time. And then all of a sudden there's like, wait, what's happening? I look up from whatever I was writing. It's like, oh, Brian Ortega is, this is weird.

It's like, yeah, the fight's over. And that happens. So it sucks as a man who has also torn his labrum to shreds. I can tell you that that sucks and all of that is crappy. And so it's just really unfortunate, especially as the cap or two and otherwise, pretty fun card, you know. Most of the fights were really good or interesting in some capacity and looked like the best of the fights was going to be the main event.

And so we were going to have a really spectacular, you know, card. and then it ends like that and that always leaves a sour taste in your mouth. Thank you for that, Jed. As heartbreaking as that all was, I think one man might be heartbroken more than anybody. It is the other gentleman who is joining us, Jose Youngs, because I know this. I was in Las Vegas with this man for nearly a week, and while people were very excited for this main event, I think you were as excited of not more excited than anybody, Jose. Yaya Rodriguez, Brian Ortega, this is one of the ones that you really want to

wanted to be there for live and you weren't able to make it unfortunately, but just watching it play out the way that it did. It was such a historic main event for this card and it ends like this. What is your reaction to it all? Yeah, it sucks. This was for the culture, obviously. Just not long ago, we didn't even really have a lot of Hispanic, specifically Mexican-born UFC fires.

Obviously, the UFC put a lot of stock in Kane Velasquez and Henry Sehudo and even Tito Ortiz would walk out with the Mexican flag back. back in the day, but we didn't really have, you know, one of those, like, tried and true Mexican fighters. And obviously, Brandon Moreno won. We have Irre who's doing her thing. But we didn't have this epic main event that we, you know, I feel like in boxing, it's not as big of a deal for two countrymen to fight, especially when, because like Mexican fighters are down to fight whoever, even if they're from Mexico. They'll fight a fellow Mexican in Mexico and they won't even bat an eye. That's just how they are.

So people were complaining that this fight was on Long Island, which was just lazy because this was, like I said, an historic moment. Didn't really matter where it took place. I think a lot of people that were complaining about that weren't actually Hispanic or Mexican-American. They were just whining to whine. And it's just unfortunate that this happened because now this is what we're talking about. Like, what does this do for Yairair? Should he fight for the title, Brian, Sir, like, would he have won the fight, this and that? And we saw all the broadcast saying, like, oh, Mexican warriors, this and that.

That's a real thing. So a lot of people I saw on Twitter, they're like, why do they hammer this home? Because it's a thing and it's actually, you know, that's how we fight. So it's just an unfortunate situation all around. This would be like if Canelo fought Juan Chavez Jr. at the time, in hindsight, Chavez Jr., I've said it's a few times kind of a bum when it comes to boxing. It doesn't, you know, kind of looks for ways out, cheats a lot, does ban substances, can't handle his weight. But at the time when they fought specifically on Singatim of the Mile, that was a big deal.

And if this happens with a torn labrum, laborum, four minutes or half of a round into a fight into the round one, it would have been a bummer. This is a bummer. I hope they do run it back eventually. I do like how Yair said that he's down to run it back if Brian wants and if the UFC wants, but he hopes it's for the title because that would be an even bigger deal. And then by then, hopefully, Mexico can get their situation under control because, yes, COVID did ran ramp it throughout the country. But it is also going through a lot of crime and a lot of murders right now. So for all the people that were saying, why is it not in Mexico? You can't really have it in Mexico at the moment.

I'm sure you could find a smaller venue. But if that's for the title, you want to put it in a Ria, see your dad, which is not the safest area presently in 2022. So hopefully when they run it back, they can do that and they can get their situation under control. But yeah, in terms of just a fight fan, this sucks. I was really looking forward to this. The last time I felt like this was I was hammering. I was such a big fan of Charles Oliver at Featherweight

and I was a big fan of Max Holloway at Featherweight and then I don't know if you remember that fight card that fight card was the opposite of this fight card. That fight card sucked. And then I was like the whole time I was like, you know, now it was like Prime UFC on like FS1 where it was just awful pacing. And the whole time I'm telling myself,

I'm like, oh, you know what? Charles Olaver is going to fight Max in like 12 hours when we get past the first fight of the night. And then Charles O'Overe like broke his throat or something like that. That's the last time I felt like this. Just disappointed as a fight fan all around. Well, before we continue on with kind of the heartbreaker with this all leads to,

we have bonuses, fight of the night, no surprise. Matt Schnell, Sumadherjee, absolutely insane fight. What a comeback from Matchnell. Performances of the night. Amanda Lameh, Li Jing Leong, Ricky Simone, Bill Algeo, Dustin Jacoby, and Puneas Oriano. all got looks like 50 Gs so congratulations to all them multiple performance bonuses and if i'm the ufc i'm giving match now a little under the table performance bonus money as well not only should you have gotten fighting that this is one of those things where you should have got 100 gs because that

comeback was absolutely ridiculous but i'm not going to complain about multiple bonuses and these fighters making some extra money so good on them there's a card that delivered for the most part and here we are so jad i want to i want to ask you because the the the third thing I keep seeing the most on social media since this fight ended was the biggest winner in all this is blank. And there's many different names that have popped up. Yair, obviously getting the win. A lot of people felt like pretty much any kind of win gets him a title shot. Some think it's Josh Emmett. Some thinks it's Henry Sehudo. Like Henry Sehudo wasn't really factored in, but maybe he's the most interesting name in all of this conversation right now. Phil in that

blank. Is it either of those three guys or is it somebody else? Let me just start by saying, Henry Suhudo is never the most interesting name in any conversation. So that's just obviously wrong. Henry Suhudo didn't gain anything because the Henry Suhudo problem remains the same. Do you see does not care and don't want to do any favors. And this in no way influenced that. This gave Henry a chance to tweet something that will immediately fall to the ether. Like no one's going to care.

To me, the biggest winner in this is, I would say Alexander Volcanowski because really big day for him. The vacant UFC lightweight title will now be contested by Charles Alivaara versus Isamakchev at UFC 80 and Abu Dhabi and he came out and immediately said, hey, I want the winner.

And there's been a big momentum shift for him to do that anyway to get his chance at a second title. And I think with this sort of instance, this feels like the thing that's going to push him over the hump to just be next in line because for whatever reason, the UFC has no interest in Josh Emmett getting a title fight.

That's why they haven't promoted it or given it really a thought or an effort, much to the chagrin of Team Offmail and Josh Emmett. And while the UFC could give the I or Rodriguez a title fight off this, if he had come out here and made a statement win and then got on the mic and was like, hey, let's, you've only fought two dudes, let's fight. I'm the number one contender now with a bullet let's go. I think that's enough to be like, well, Volker, you're doing great, but you do this one and then you can go.

And now I don't think that same compulsion's there anymore, right? Like, I think this is, and that's, I want to be also clear on that. That is no disrespect to EIA. He did nothing wrong. I thought his post-fight interview was really good. Like, he just assessed the situation honestly and called for a title fight, but didn't do the promoter title fight. out or whatever. And so I think that the most obvious course of action here is Volk has to sit

out anyway, he's got a busted paw, he's going to be out for a bit. You just come out, you tell Volk, hey, you're going to get the winner of this lightweight title fight, or if something happens between now and 280, because that's a while off. You can step in and be the alternate to fight there. And in the meantime, we're going to create an interim belt between Jaer and Josh Emmett. And that's what we're going to do, because you're going to be spending the next. six months to a year or whatever pursuing this lightweight belt and we'll do this over here. I think that's, that to me feels like the most obvious outcome with the way things played out today. And I think that's what's going to happen.

You make great points. I actually kind of agree with you there. But the good thing is either way, Jose, Yair will find himself in some kind of a title fight. Either way, if the UFC decides not to go that route, I would still say he's ahead. Yeah, you're still ahead. of Josh Emmett in terms of how the UFC views him and how much they value that fight against Volkanowski probably more than Josh Emmett, challenging Volcanovsky at this point. But even if Volk does jump to 55 and fight the winner of the Oliver Makachev fight, there you go. You got, yeah, year versus Josh Emmett for an interim title. And I feel like either way, just pair those two guys up anyway.

You can you can just throw an interim title on there no matter what. Like, who cares? It's just a glorified number one contender fight. There's a belt on the line. They get more money. It's fine. But answer that question. Biggest winner in all, this is blank.

Who is it? I mean, hmm, I don't know. I truly don't know. I have no answer. Because Volkinovsky, like he said he tweeted what he tweeted, but I don't even think that's going to happen.

Like, yeah, Volkanowski, you can fight for the light with I truly don't think that's going to happen. If Charles wins, he's going to fight Connor in Brazil. Facts. If Islam wins, I don't think Islam is going to, his first title defense is going to be against the featherweight champion of the world because Islam will beat him. And then Volcanowski is all of a sudden he lost. It's like Israel out of signing. Like, oh, you went up and you lost and now you have to go back down.

Cool. I don't know, Yair maybe. Because like I said, I said in our Slack Channel, like Yer is going to fight for the title no matter what, like you said. whether it's for a fake interim title or for the undisputed title against Alex Volcanowski. So I guess Yair, Josh Semen is the biggest loser because as New York Rick on the scene said, Dana White, who's doing the post-vart crime right now,

just said Josh Shem just, quote, one of the guys there. You never want to hear that if you're a fighter, especially someone in like the top three of your division. So I guess Yaya is the biggest winner and Josh Emmett is the biggest loser. Volcanowski is not even healthy. Henry Suhito can't even fight until Iq over.

So it's kind of a lot of, moot point at this point because like i said charles wins he's fighting connor islam's not going to fight the feathery champion his first title defense so well yeah i guess by default yeah if there's if there's two endings of sentences a fighter doesn't want to hear one is one of the guys there and the other one is yeah he's in the mix you don't want to hear either of those two things because that means you're not really in the mix you're below the other people who are probably in the mix so yeah just a just a just a rough way for this thing to end, and it kind of puts a awfully looking colored bow on what was a really fun card either way. We'll see what happens with the state of the featherweight

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But Amanda Lamos gets a good win in the sportsmanship all the way around from both women. Michelle Waterson Gomez is like, yeah, I tapped to the gilly in the second round. Manoamush gets back on track, gets the big win. Li Jing Liang with the second round, K.O. of Muslim Salikoff,

just the emotion that was a really cool moment. Match and I assume absolutely ridiculous. That fight was insanity. Gets it done. I do want to talk about another featherway fight that delivered Shane Burgos versus Charles Jordane, Jen Michoud.

This fight was insane. First round, back and forth, very competitive. Second round was clearly a Shane Burgos round. Third round, Charles Jordane flips a switch. Almost 10-8 Shane Burgos. of the judges sought that way and actually no he didn't because he gave it 108 to charles bergoes didn't give the 108 to charles jorda and i forgot about that so it's a 28 28 the other

two judges give it to shame burgos 29 28 giving burgos rounds one and three or one and two excuse me your reaction to the fight did the judges get it right was burgo's the rightful winner what do you think uh fight ruled it ruled in a way that was very different than i think what we're all expecting or at least certainly what i was expecting i thought there was going to chuck mitts for 15 minutes and it was going to be awesome. Instead, Charles Jordan checked a lot of Mitz and Shane Burgos ate them a lot. But a big apple Burgos pulled out the W. Man is 7 and 0 in his home state.

But I am not confident that he should have won that. I scored the fight 28, 27 for Jordane. I gave Jordane a 10-8 round in the third. I gave Burgos a 10-8 round in the second. I feel really confident that that is the actual correct way to score those two rounds. And round one is the swing round. So this is one of those things where, you know, I would bet that our colleague, Kaylee, is going to do a robbery review on this fight.

I would say it's not a robbery because that first round was really close. But, and to me, rounds two and rounds three should be viewed as even. So it's just however you scored the first round. But it was disappointing that nobody scored this bout correctly at all. that there was one 10-8 and that 10-8 went to Burgos and not Jordane when I think if you're weighing them out

Jordane probably deserves a 10-8 more than Burgos does but I think both of them cleared criteria and both should be 10-8 so nonetheless the fight was awesome and both those dudes Charles Jordain probably comes out of this fight looking better because like he Shane Burgos can't keep doing what he's doing

because in the very near your future, it's going to result in him getting brutally knocked out, like a lot. He just, his defense is a lot of just taking it on the chin and trying to roll off punches. And when he stops being able to roll them off, then he starts getting buzzed and that's going to kill him. Whereas Charles Jordan looked, I mean, he gave up the position on the ground, but defended really well, stayed tight, stayed composed. And then in that third round, he came out like a house on fire, man.

So one of the fights were one guy wins and gets two paychecks, but both guys. you know, win in spirit. And it was awesome. So it was really fun fight. I think the judges, I would say that Jordan won, but I'm not, it's not a huge issue for me if you scored it for Burgos. It was the final fight also on Shane Burgos's contract. So he bet on himself, didn't re-up before heading into the final fight, has an absolute

scrap of Charles Jordane. Dana White is at the press conference right now and basically said, yep, we've got to re-up this guy is an absolute savage. So there you go. The savagery looks like it'll pay up, but it probably will. don't pay off in the long run. What did you think of that fight, Jose? This must have been right up your alley,

the man of the fan of high-level martial arts competition. These guys both stepped in that octagon delivered. Yeah, I don't know how much high-level martial arts I expect from Shane Burgos. It's usually just, you know, throw things at a wall and maybe the wall will fall down. It's very fun to watch. But like, and also, Daniel Cormier was like, I think his line was he was watching Shane Burgos, like, eat all these punches. and he's like, oh, we've never seen Shane Burgos melt before.

I'm like, we literally have. Edson Barbosa turned off his brain to the point where he turned into a human crash dummy. Like he just, his body fell apart like the dude from Men and Black won when all the cockroaches left his body. It just turned into a lump of human mass. So Shane Burgos can get turned off by Edson Barboso, who does that to a lot of people. So it was a good fight. It wasn't what I expected. Like, I agree with most of what Jed said.

Wasn't what I expected, but I was pleasantly surprised with how the fight turned out. I don't remember how I scored it. I was doing like 10 different things. I was kind of watching out the corner of my eye, and every time there was a crazy moment, I would look up. I thought Charles Ordain was going to tap. I think it was the second round. Was it that rear naked choke or neck crank or whatever when Shane Burgos, like, pushed off the fence into the choke? So I thought Charles Jordan was going to either break his jaw or tap.

So good on him for not only surviving, but continuing to fist fight Shane Burgo. So, yeah, was probably fight of the night. until Matt Snell did what he did. So good on him. And let me just also say, Jed, this is something you and I talk about all the time. What's one of the big rules in 2022 if you're a fighter? What's one of the big things that all fighters should be doing? Cheat.

Cheat your ass off. Cheat your ass off. Because Charles Jordane, that fence grab in the third round is what made that third round. Is what made that third round what it was. Because of Shane Burgos, which without the fence grab, would have completed that takedown. Jordane's not getting up. The fight is over.

It's just going to be a 10-9 round for Burgos. He's going to cruise to a decision more than likely. Now, am I 100% certain on that? No one is. But we just watched it happen to the second round. Burgos is like a middleweight in there against a guy who's actually a featherweight. Burgos is a massive dude,

and he has tremendous top control. And Jordan clearly grabbed the fence. And Keith Peterson was just like, okay, maybe I'll just move it out of this. the way and didn't say anything. And this is not the first fence grab. There were multiple fence grabs in this fight. None of them were called.

And this is why we tell people, just cheat. That's why we don't blame, that's why I don't blame Tim Elliott at all for him saying, yeah, I grabbed the damn glove. No one's going to call anything. No one's going to call anything. Nothing will be penalized. Grab the goddamn fence. Just grab the fence.

No one's going to stop you. And that's why this fight was so competitive in the third round because Keith Peterson accepted all the nonsense, all the nonsense, all night long, all the time. Keith Peterson's no-nonsense approaches is gone. He's accepting nonsense now. He's putting money into nonsense, and it's gaining interest at a rapid pace. So yes, cheat, grab the fence. No one's going to call anything. So there you go, Charles Darday. You did it well. You did it well, and it led to a crazy-ass third round. So goodos to you, my man. There you go.

Yeah, man. That's, I would not ever pretend to be a guy who should coach MMA fighters because I can't do that. I don't know anything about that. But if I was in a gym and my coach wasn't teaching us how to and inspiring us to cheat constantly, I would think, oh, we're not doing enough to win because like it's just, there's literally no downside. It is all upside.

And I will be honest, when Keith Peter, when I realized Keith Peterson was the ref for the event. I was like, oh my God, he's already allowed so much nonsense today. What the hell it's going to happen here. In the end, different kind of nonsense happened. But like, I don't, there's no reason not to cheat. There truly is not. And I would unashamedly counsel any fighter to actively cheat very, very hard in there because it's the difference between you winning and losing a fight. It can easily be the difference between you winning and losing a fight. So yeah, it was all super, that but you know it is what it is Jose not a fan of cheating he has apparently

left the room but there's a scene in like the first buddy up there is cheating is cheating is silly don't do it don't listen to the two fools next to me is it cheating though is it cheating because if you don't get punished for it's not a bad thing it's obviously not illegal because nothing bad happens so it's not really cheating or is it you just being veteran savvy

Yeah, that's what I see a lot. That's what I see a lot. But it is what it is. Listen, until it gets called, we're going to continue to have these conversations. So get after it. It's like the movie Mighty Ducks. Gordon Bombay's the coach.

She's teaching the kids how to take dives. Go to your local on May gym. I want to see fence grab class from 1030 to 11. Like, just get that done. I'm just saying if I Air Rodriguez does rematch Brian Ortega, it's probably really tough for Ortega to submit him. If he just sticks both hands in. inside of one of Ortega's gloves and just holds on.

It's like, yeah, try now. Nothing's going to happen to me. Try now. Oh, man. But yeah, that did happen. I had to call it out. It's fine. It still led to a third round being as crazy as it was.

Can we talk about the other cheating that happened? Go ahead. Get after it. The other big cheating that happened is that Ricky Simone is a monster athlete and Jack Shore isn't. And he just athlete it all over Jack Shore. that fight ruled. Jack Shaw was like doing a lot of technically brilliant things. And Ricky Smell was just like,

I am so much faster and stronger than you. And he just collaborated him. That fight was awesome. It was awesome. It was a great performance. Might as well talk about that right now, Jose. Bannamweight, while it's not the best division in the sport, it is a very fun division.

I call it the Intercontinental Championship Division of the UFC where these fights will always deliver. They're always good. And this is what everybody had circled. and Ricky Simone just went out there and clubbed and sub Jack Shore. That was some performance. A lot of people weren't given Simone a big chance to win this fight, but this is the one everybody had circled on their card.

And this was fun for the eight minutes and 28 seconds that it lasted. So were you surprised that the fight went down this way, that not only did Ricky Simone win, but he went out there and finished Jack Shore and made such an emphatic statement? No, because everyone kept talking about how good Jack Shore is on the, ground and how good his grappling is and how good as wrestling is and all that all this and that a lot of people were complaining that he wasn't fighting in london why is this on the prelims yada yada yada the fight was going to happen regardless of where it was and the fight was going to end the same way

regardless of where it was so again moot point people just complaining for no reason also ricky simone has an accent over the oh i'm tired of people not spelling his name incorrectly on social media. Also, Ricky Simone does really well historically against really good grapplers, like Hafela Sonsal, Ronnie Yaya, Brian Callagher's has a lot, bunch of submission wins. If that's, if his strength is just, he's freakously strong and way more athletic until he runs into someone that's just more athletic than him, like a Rob Fonner or your eye of favor, and he's probably going to beat you if he's more athletic than you. So Ricky Simone is, was going to win that fight regardless of where it was 10 out of 10 times. Jack Shore is really.

really good. He's going to get better. Like Jed said, some people are just freakishly strong and freakish athletes. And we've all seen those guys at the gyms that are just super frustrating because they could be blue belts going up against a brown belt. But that blue belt is just really strong and can just power out of submissions. Like, oh, cool, rubber guard. I'm just going to flex and push myself out of it. And then the brown belt's like, well, what do I do with this? He's neck. He has no neck and his traps go on forever. So that's Ricky Simone. If you get him in a choke or you try grapple with him it's going to be a bad night and that's what happened with jack shore tremendous performance both guys are very fun jack shore his jab is just a beautiful thing to watch

when that guy has his jab going he's just so nice to watch it's just so nice to watch it's a bone just he was doing a bunch of good stuff and then it was just if ricky was just like i'm such a better athlete than you you're boned that was just all it happened was like jack shore did like 10 great things to stay upright along the fence. And Ricky would just be like, here comes an elbow at the speed of light and I'm on your hips at the same time. I elbowed you in the face and I'm going to double on your hips instantaneously. Like there's no gap to you to do anything.

Good luck. And you can't do anything about it. It's like. Did you like the callout, Jed? The Sean O'Malley call out. I like the call out because I think it's, well, it would be a good fight in like a world where that would happen. And I think it also like,

sense as a callout because they've they've had their friction before or whatever uh it's just not going to happen like because ricky simone would turn up sean o'malley like he would just fold that man into a pretzel you can't make that fight if you're still trying to be in the sugar show business and i think the ufc is still trying to do that so like i unless they've suddenly decided that they want to back ricky simone in a big way which i don't think they're going to uh so i still think it's a fine call out because like whatever they Ricky's going to be one of those dudes they're just he's going to get whoever they can agree to fight him at this stage because that's a tough ass fight man and not a lot of

dudes are going to take it so I'm fine with the call out uh I like I certainly like the way he did it I'm the sweetest thing in the division was like that was kind of clever so I'm cool with it I like that Ricky Simone does not get enough credit for his Mike savvy he's actually a very funny guy he's a clever dude good interview. You just don't hear from him that often. There's only certain, he's very picky with who he wants to do interviews with. And yeah, that was a great performance.

I do want to, before we go to the peeps, I do want to talk about the main card opener because a lot of people sort of had this pencil in as like their own personal co-made event, more so than the actual co-made event. Misha Tate making her flyway debut. She looked good on the scale. Didn't look like the weight cut really zapped her all that much. A lot of people felt, and she was super confident that with any kind of a victory,

she would be next for Valentina Shvchenko. Shevchenko had already basically said that if Misha beats Lauren, we're going to be fighting for the belts. And a lot of people who were just kind of picturing that fight already as like a done deal. And Lauren Murphy comes in as this pretty sizable dog, goes out there. She just put it on Misha Tate, left Misha a bloody mess. My opinion, she won all three rounds. I think two of the judges agreed with that.

And then she got a 29, 28 mixed in there. Lauren gets it done. Jose, your thoughts on Lauren Murphy's performance against Misha Tate to kick off this main card at UFC Long Island. I didn't really have an idea of who's going to win this fight. I didn't really sit down. I think too much of it.

But when Damon did that interview with Lauren, and she said she was really sick going into the Valentina fight, and then she reiterated that at Media Day. Anytime you hear a fighter kind of reflect on that, my first question is, well, let's see how big of a factor that really was. fighting someone like, I'm not saying that Mishu was going to beat Valentin. I'm not saying that Valentine, that Mishu was going to beat Lauren Murphy.

But Lauren Murphy just looked like she was leagues stronger in, like, physical strength than Misha Tate. Misha Tate's obviously fought at Bantam weight. And she went down and Lauren Murphy also fought a bantam weight. She just looks like she could just do whatever she wanted in there with Misha Tate when she was, like, jabbing her, throwing her around, defending everything. Now, if Lauren Murphy really was that sick against Valentina, and we saw how Tyler Santos performed against Valentina, who was also injured, had an injured foot, my question is how would a 100% healthy Lauren Murphy do

against the Valentina that showed up against Tyler? I'm not saying she would win, but the question is there. So Lauren Murphy did what she had to do. She fought another former champion, beat her very convincingly. I thought she went all three rounds, Daniel Cormay and the commentary were actually nice to her unlike her last few performances.

So yeah, good on Lauren Murphy. She's maintained her position. More people are talking about her. She's obviously not going to fight for the title next. But I loved the callout saying she was going to fly to Paris and sit Kayside for Jessica Androge and Manifero because she's like, that's probably a number one contender fight. I want to fight the winner to claim the number one contender spot.

I think Lauren Murphy has low-key been pretty good on the mic. Remember when she was on Fight Island? and she just went on that super rant against the media for her rankings. And then all of a sudden, everyone was talking about Lauren Murphy's ranking and was it, was she justified? Which she was. She's like, I beat so on and so forth. And then Jessica and Drozh was one fight. And now she's ranked above me.

And she just went on this scathing rant. And it was great. And everyone was talking about her. She did that again. So I think she's low-key pretty good on the mic. She performed well, probably one of the better forms she's had in a long time. So, yeah, I can't ask much much more. her if I'm her coaches outside of a finish against Misha Tate.

She had good mic work when she called for the title fight too. Like when she was against Jojo. Like that, that was like a very compelling claim. She seems to have a perennial chip on her shoulder and I love it. Yeah. She's always been pretty good on the stick. We just never get to really hear it all that often. Just depending on where she's at on the card.

But what did you think, Jed? Because I know I'm not like, we joke internally about, about you just being on the Misha Tate, not saying bandwagon, but you seemed very confident that Misha would win this fight. And before we hit record, you're like, I don't really remember being that strong on Misha.

So just your thoughts on that fight, how Misha performed and how Lauren performed. Were you surprised it went the way that it did? Super. And I thought Misha was going to win the fight, but like, I've been getting a lot of flack for this one, as if this was one of my stronger statements

that I like, really was shaming people. It was like, no, I mostly don't think Lauren Murphy's that good, which I may well be wrong about, but I don't feel wrong about, you know, even if I am wrong. I still feel like I'm not. But Lauren Murphy looked the best she ever has. Like, let's just start there before anything else. Like, I think that is the best we've ever seen, Lauren Murphy.

I think the change of camp, maybe there could totally be something to the illness at Shevchenko, though I don't think that would have functionally changed that fight in any regard. she looked she looked really well she came out really really strong i had immediate regrets about my thoughts on this fight when i watched the walkouts because laura murphy looked like she was at a fight and me she was just like super happy in a really weird way it's like i don't know that that's how you want to look before a fist fight where you just like oh hey kids night and go see you and kiss my daughter's like that doesn't feel like the right mindset for a fist fight but you know i get different strokes or whatever uh and then yeah

Laura Murphy came out with a lot of urgency. She fought really well in that first round. Misha made some adjustments and Lauren adjusted with her in the second and third and got the jab going. I thought she looked the best she has ever looked. I also thought Misha Tate looked. I kind of now think I have to go back and watch old Misha Tate because in my head she's not that bad a fighter. She was horrifically bad tonight. And it's possible that I just have a different view because in my head I remember the time

that she tackled and choked out Holly Home, who is much more physically strong. Do you remember that fight? She was about two minutes away from losing. Yeah, but she won, yes, I remember losing a lot of that fight. She also won the second round, I think. The second round was 10. Yeah, she lost three.

I think the second round, she 10-8ed Holly, and then she was well on her way to losing before she tapped her. But again, like, that's, I think of Holly Home as a substantially, better takedown defender and more physical human being than Lauren Murphy because Holly Home is a friggin' hoss and Tate got that going like she's she has been I'll never say that Misha Tate is like a technical genius because God knows she's not certainly on the feet but like that as as as my memory goes that's the worst I've ever seen Misha Tate look standing up and she had no ability to manage the physicality of Lauren Murphy both of which I was not anticipating

So let me rattle some names off for you that Misha Tates wins. And I'm not saying Misha Tate's overrated or underrated or whatever, but she has went over Liz Karmouche at Bannonweight. Liz Karmuch is now flyweight. She has went over Rinda Kai flyweight. Sarah McMahon majority. Sarah McMahon is a large fighter. She's very good, but maybe too soon than her MMA coming.

I feel like we just breezed past. Liz Karmouche is also a hawse and flyweight is the same Lauren Murphy, flyweight, sure. Sure. But I think Misha Tate was just like physically big because remember she struggled to make a 135 at one point Yeah, she almost missed weight be just guy fly weight Holly home great win beat marion O'nale probably should have been a fly weight and then she's lost to three all other Bannon way she's lost to and now Lauren Murphy so Mousia Tate is really good maybe everyone else just caught up

I I think there's some of that I think she might have regressed I also think that like I just underestimated how physically like there, Lauren Murphy is because like I don't, because look like outside of this being Lauren Murphy's best thing, if we also routed off Lauren Murphy's career, it's not a bunch of winners, you know, like she took splities over Joanne Calderwood like that. So I don't feel bad thinking that Meisha Tate, former Bannon Wade champion should have beaten a woman whose last win was a splitie over Jojo Calderwood. But also, I was obviously very incorrect because that fight wasn't close. Laura Murphy beat a pillar of post.

There you go. I'm trying to think if there's like a, oh, we have to talk about this, Jed. We have to talk about this real quick. Emily DeCody, great win, by the way. Dustin Stolfes, great win. Dustin Jacoby, nasty knockout. Maybe we'll get some peep's questions on this. But we have to talk about Bill Algeo Herbert Burns, Jed.

We have to talk about that fight because that fight was insane. Herbert Burns gets the fight to the ground. He's got a triangle on. He's trying to go for the arm. and then it's back to the triangle, that he's trying to do the combo with the arm again. And then Bill Algeo somehow just wiggles his way free and just starts on loading on Herbert Burns.

And then Bill Algeo's like, all right, I'm going to let you stand up. And then Herbert Burns takes like 25 seconds to stand back up to his feet. It looks like he's in big trouble right then. Yeah. More nonsense.

Right then. Fight should have been stopped right there. Yeah. Probably. The fight should have been up right there. Bill keeps it going. Second round starts, like apparently during the Canadian.

because I didn't get to see the corner during the rounds where I was watching. But apparently I saw some tweets saying that, like, Gilwood Burns is the basis saying, like, I don't think he wants to go back out there. But Herbert gets up. Obviously did not. Yeah. Doctor comes in, looks at Herbert. And it's New York.

So I'm like, there's no way they're going to let this guy go out and fight. And they're like, okay, go out and fight. And Herbert goes out and fights. And Bill just puts it on him some more. And Herbert's trying, like, he's trying to, like, throw his legs. I was trying to get something cooking. And then eventually just Herbert's just exhausted. He can't stand back up.

Keith Peterson had seen enough nonsense, which is way too much of it. And the fight is over. Bill Algeo gets his first stoppage win, I believe, as a UFC fighter. It goes down as exhaustion from damage or retirement is the way that it's worded in some cases. But just talk about the chaos of that fight and what happened there, because that was just madness if you guys didn't see that. that fight was an even more condensed version of what I thought that fight would be I I want to I guess we should also mention there is a real possibility that Herbert

Burns like blew out his knee there was some talk about the broadcast I don't know if that's true or not but like it seems to be a really possible thing that happened sorry chiming in yeah Herbert Burns did confirm on his Twitter video he blew his knee out so just want to throw that out there so you don't yeah yeah that that that that that that obviously makes like a pretty big difference in how it all goes. It, it was a weird fight. I immediately, I bet on Herbert Burns because he's really big underdog. I was like, I don't know, that dude's really good at the whole jiu-jitsu thing.

I feel like, and Bill Algeo is really bad at wrestling. So I feel like Herbert Burns can take him down and then just find a way to his back and tap him. And so I felt like a freaking genius for the first two minutes of that fight. It was like, oh, this is a rap. Like Burns has that in. and then he couldn't either Algeo's defense was phenomenal or Burns waffled too much between going after the arm or picking on the choke whichever one. But in the end, Algeo fought his way out of it. And Burns was done.

Like, he was very clearly done the moment Algeo escaped from that triangle. And the fight should have been stopped when he refused to stand up. So, like, that was a lot of nonsense. His corner should have absolutely stopped the fight. I'm more mad about that than anything. Like clearly your dude is done. Your brother cannot physically fight anymore, especially if he was telling them in the corner that,

hey, my knee is shot or whatever. Like, just don't send him out. There's no reason to send your brother, your student, your friend out there to go obviously get his ass beat for however long he can take getting his ass beat. And so it was really weird. Credit to Bill Algio for fighting his way through that. But it was a super weird fight,

and I don't know what to do. I don't know what to make of any of it, especially with the knee injury. Because without the knee injury, I think you cut Herbert Burns because you're not allowed to have three minutes of cardio and be a professional freaking fist fighter. But the knee injury makes it so like that could just be the whole thing. I don't know, super weird fight though. It was a super weird fight. Jose, anything else that we didn't talk about stand out to you as a moment that we didn't get to before we go to the questions and the peeps and Casey. Yeah, Dustin Jacoby's a bad dude, and I want to see him fight the winner,

or the loser, Jamal Hill, Tiago Santos, because the winner should obviously move up the rankings. The loser should fight Dustin Jacoby, because that will be fun and will satiate my bloodlust. That's a good pick. It is the wrong pick, and I will give the right pick on onto the next one. And it's a better, it's better than that. Dustin Jacoby will like my idea better than all those ideas. But that's something. think about later.

If Nelson Jacoby had his choice, he would be fighting the corpse of Shogun Huah, don't want to see that fight happen. No, that's not what we're doing. We're not going to do that. We're going to do something better than that. So stay tuned for on to the next one. Let's go to the peeps, Casey.

Let's see how they are feeling. After some afternoon M.MA, Casey's got no sleeves on, so you know it's serious business. Can we just talk about how great it is to be done with fights at 6 p.m. Eastern time? because I could get used to this. This is nice.

You guys are living in the West Coast life right now. I know. Guess what? You guys live in the best time zone. What? It was awesome being out in Vegas, by the way, in dealing with the West Coast time zone, and it sucked going back home.

It sucked. The West Coast Time Zone is better in those regards. But next week, next week we get to do it again. We get to do it again. So early day MMA It just everything starts an hour later So instead of 11 a.m.

It's going to be noon and then three The best time zone is Arizona's time zone Because we don't fool around with that nonsense Daylight Savings I do respect that about you guys I'll be honest Airhorper time zones This is what you get

That's what you get when you're the last state Of the continental United States You don't fool around with no time zones And our roads make sense are you really the last i had no idea you were the last state baby 1912 Rhode Island was already a hundred years old when Arizona became a state man and you like I'm sure there's a lot of other benefits too that would have been a perfect time for some like retrospective bed music in the background you know what I was a guy yeah we need a better producer I wasn't I wasn't prepared

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on any weekend day or holiday for just $10. And a weekday group pass offers the same weekday travel flexibility from $30 for two people and up to $60 for five. Buy yours at go-transit.com slash. tickets. Let's get to the peeps. Daniel Ime, Yair's victory was legit or take a pop to shoulder while Yair was holding it for an arm bar. So any thoughts on this comment? It's not. It's both incorrect and correct at the same time. Technically, yes, it is correct because all victories are legit because you're fighting another human being. And so anything that human being does that

contributes counts, checking a kick or yon fainting or whatever. whatever the hell it was that made Yachit step or rocket step back and blow his knee out. Like, that's all legit. Or this is also blocking JDS's overhand. Well, I won the fight because I blocked the shot and, yeah. All of that is technically true. The reality is this. He didn't pop that shoulder out in an arm bar.

The shoulder popped out when he was pulling away from the arm bar. So if you just grab my arm and I yank it back like that and it pops out, sure, you technically did the thing. Also, that's not. in the normal course of business, a thing that happens. His shoulder is obviously compromised. I have blown out my labrum twice playing rugby in college, and I had the same thing would happen.

It just, mine just never got better. And the reason I blew it out the second time was I was grappling. I was doing grappling training or whatever, and I dove forward, and it just popped out. And it's the thing that if you just did normally, your shoulder would be fine, but mine is already weak. And it just is that. Like, that's, I am not a. medical professional. I'm a thousand percent certain that is what happened with Brian Ortega.

So yes, technically is legit. And I'm not here. I never, I don't think any of us ever said it wasn't legit either, but it's also kind of fluky and not the normal expectation of how that would go. Yeah, you knew it was a legit victory. He knew it. Don't stop acting like he submitted Ortega. It's just one of those things. Yeah, you're one. Luckily, yeah, year was winning that rounds anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Contact sports have injuries like this that occur, and they're still real, but it's also not as real as had Yair back elbowed him in the face and sent him to the netherworld. Ricky Simone's going to be a problem at Bannonweights, five in a row. Yeah, dude's real good. He's real good. I concur. I think what I do think what Jose said earlier is correct. Like, I am interested to see how he does, because the times he's faced. people who can match his athleticism, he hasn't done all that well. And so I mean, there aren't

that many dudes that can do that for being honest. But like when he does fight those guys, I don't know. I just don't know the well of tricks he has to like actually compete with them outside of just being like, I'm super fast and super strong and you're super boned. He's very good. That Rob Fond fight did wonders for him. It did wonders for him. What happened in that fight? I can't remember. Font, Simone. Font beat him. It was a unanimous decision. DC, font looked good.

I think he tore his ACL, like, in the fight as well. So it was, yeah, it was one of those ones that both guys grew a lot from. Ricky Simone, I've always, he's always been one of those fighters. I thought it had a lot of potential. He just never really, you just never got to see it. But tonight, yeah, I think we saw it. That loss to your eye at favor is just weird, because that was like Ariya's come back out of retirement fight after like several years and then he just got it was like 45 seconds

it was like one it was like one i didn't like to stop it either but i mean that's here yeah but it was like when ryan bader beat teeter's like they fight 10 times that happens once and like ryan went on to have a good career and rickie someone will go on to have a good career it was just that night was weird and we still make fun of ryan bader for losing that fight ryan bader that on the west That was not. Beta didn't fight on the West Coast for years after that because of the amount of family and friends I went to that is that it just got like too much. That's why I would always fight in like Hamburg and Brazil and England or Sweden or you just fly everywhere, didn't want to fight in the West Coast. This question is for Mr. Heck.

I bet Mike was happy because our announced team today had those, oh God, I loved it so much. I loved that so much. And the fact that at no point through that entire broadcast from 11 a.m. until it was over, John Anick did not take that jacket off once. Not once. D.C. Felder, they were rocking the dress shirts. They had the beautiful gold jacket on the back of the chair. I bet John Annix's wearing it now. If John Annick's about to fly home to Florida, he's probably wearing it on the plane. He's probably going to sleep in that thing tonight. He probably slept in it last night. And you know what, John, if I had that jacket, If I was in your shoes, I would do the same thing.

I loved it. I was so happy that the UFC and ABC and ESPN and Disney made that happen for everybody. Seeing Megan Olivie in the jacket was awesome. All of them wearing the jacket was amazing. But John Anick wanted that more than anybody on this planet. So I was really happy to see that. And he didn't take that thing off once. It was amazing.

I noticed Felder took it off for a moment, but I think he looked over at Anick. And Anick still had it on. So Felder, I think, wore it a whole time. Yeah, he took it off. Yeah, and on the whole time. Yeah, yeah. But poor, poor DC. I think he only put it on for, like, when he was on camera after that.

I don't think his body could contain that. I think they kept it on. I think they kept on for the main card. Yeah. Yeah, the main card, I think they all kept them on. Oh, did it? Okay. And I kept it on during the prelims and everything.

Because, I mean, the main card's on ABC, so they're like, you better wear those damn jackets. Always, okay. So, loved it. Loved it so much. Let's talk. We did have a user who was kind of upset about your cheating thing, and he wrote a few times, but I'm just going to kind of use this comment. Don't cheat, have a strong sense of autonomy, and take pride in the character you design.

These guys are inducting into the asserts of beliefs. It's just, I mean, using a lot of big words and being wrong at the same time. So I'm sorry. I want to live in a world. I want, no, hold on. I want to live in a world where I don't have to say that. I want to live in a world where the referee is just like, you're grabbing the fence, that's a point.

You poked him in the eye, that's a point. You kicked them in the ding ding, that's a point. Like, maybe what your warnings take place in the back before you go out there. The referee goes to each locker room. That's the warning of a warning. It's the pre-warning, Mike. Well, if that's how it should be.

Then you get multiple warnings in the cage. I know. It's so dumb. It's so dumb. Maybe someone says, we'll take a point. it's like five or six times. Do you, it's like five or six times?

Do you really? Joe selected, yeah, do you really think every time there's an eye poke, every time there's a light, yes. growing shot point to duck,

point deduction. Yes. Every other sport on earth when you break a rule like that, it's a penalty. No, no, but to me the issue,

I do. To me the issue is this. And this is, well, this is kind of a solution rather than an issue. It's the amount. It's like,

because it's a full point. That's like, that's, I don't know. It's like, I wish there were half points. I wish a ref could just say, don't do it then. Don't do it. You know, you know how to knock it a point deducted. Don't fucking cheat. It's just, it's just it's not. It's just it's not. You were doing it. I, I understand what you're saying is cheating, but there's intentional cheating and there's like, oh crap, I'm falling down. I'm grabbing what I'm just falling down and there's incidental cheating.

And I think that's, and I think and I think one person is doing a bad thing. To me, all cheating is like there's no degrees like in football there's what is there five yard penalties i don't even know i don't watch football but yeah they're they're different yardage penalties and that to me that's the issue here there's like we we treat everything like it's a i don't know whatever 50 yard penalty i don't know we want to uh equate it to in basketball or football okay fine okay i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna I'm going to play your game, Casey. I'm going to play your game because I understand where you're coming.

Okay. I understand what you're saying too, but. I don't care what you're talking. In this case, in this case, let's just say we play by that, okay, that we don't treat each penalty exactly the same. In the sense like that, Keith Peterson should stop the fight

and Shane Bergo should be given an automatic takedown and should be on top of Charles Jordane. Then you restarted. Yeah, yeah. That's fine. For finscrabs, I am okay with just awarding the position because I think that is a fair and equitable way to handle that. You have to do that. I don't think half points or whatever.

Just for low blows and I pox, I think you just take the point. I also just don't really care about doing half points the same way. I think a half point scoring system is stupid. We have 10 points. Just use them all. And be more liberal with your scoring. I know, but yeah, I have always thought that was really stupid. There's no reason to have 10.

You could have a three point scoring system. you just adjust at all. None of this will ever adjust. And to go back to the original question, the only reason I'm telling people to cheat is because it is the obviously correct thing to do given the circumstances. The actual answer I would like is what Mike is saying.

I would like there to be actual repercussions for people who cheat, thus theoretically or hopefully removing cheating from the sport. But that doesn't happen. And because I'll get on my personal soapbox on this thing, the UFC spends $200 million or whatever, the shit they pay USADA to invade people's privacy to not weed out drug offenders for that cheating. But this, which is far more rampant and directly affects fights in those ways, we just like, yeah, can't do anything when that's actually a way quicker way to solve it.

So don't cheat. If you're okay with accepting what happens because you will be competing in a sport, people do cheat. And they will cheat against you and you will be at a huge disadvantage as a result of it. Yeah. I guess I just, yeah, I think it just comes out. under the penalty because we're saying T.J. Dillischal is a cheater, but also we're saying Charles Dordane is a cheater also. It's different. I'm not calling. Yeah, but that thing that was not, that was not the first fence grab of that fight. That was not the first fence grab. There were multiple fence grabs in that fight. And secondly, that fence grab in particular changed the entire course of that third round. It is a back and forth third round. Shane Burgos is getting lit up a little bit.

Burgos has him ready to go down. The takedown is a done deal. There's no fence there for him to grab. It's a takedown. And Burgos ends the fight on top. Spends the rest of the round on top. It's a 10-9 round. We're not talking about scoring controversy.

We're not talking about anything. Instead, Jordane grabs the fence. Doesn't get the takedown for Burgos. Keith Peters should just kind of like slaps the hand away after the takedown is not completed because he grabbed the fence. And then Jorday beat his ass for the rest of the lap. I love the hand slap.

The hand slap is the funny thing to me. It does nothing. It does nothing. I know you're doing a bad thing. It is a literal slap on the wrist, which is just, it's so on the nose. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. Listen, I would love to live in a world where there's none of this, that we're not having

these conversations. I would love some sort of repercussion. Like Burgos, be like, all right, dude, listen, Charles, I get what you're trying to do. Good try. But Shane is going to be awarded this takedown. Lay on your back. Shane, get on top. you could be getting his full guard

and go. Then I'm okay with that. Like I'm fine with that. That was a mistake by Keith Peterson. Actually, I don't even remember that, but I trust you. It's just a conscious choice by the referee never enforced the world. Someone on Twitter is like the fence grab made no difference.

So I think you're being by. So I was like, you know what? I mean, it may not have. I was enough. I went back and watched it. I videotaped it. And I was like, okay, he's so wrong. because as soon as that takedown happened

and it was missed because of the fence grab, that's when every, like literally, all the damage Jordane did in that round was after that moment. All of it. All of it. Do you know my issue? My biggest issue of Keith Peterson that fight

was actually in the first round when, which I thought Jordan clearly won because of the scoring criteria about damage. But when Burgos had him in that crank, that neck crank, he was basically, he was looking at Jordan like he was going to pass out.

And he was like, no, is a neck crank. This is a pain crank. And he was like, give me some sort of sign. And Jordane had to take his hand off the hand, the hand he was guarding with and kind of wave at the ref, like, look, I'm not passed out. I was like, come on, Keith Peterson, you got to know better. That was clearly a neck crank. I didn't even notice that.

But, I mean, I agree with you. That's all so stupid. Yeah, so I'm not. He said a rough go. He had a rough go. He had a rough go. He had a rough. He had a tough week.

Tough week. All right. do you do do you do it 50 yard penalties in basketball I like that that's a tremendous I'm gonna use that in my personal life now

and no one's gonna have any idea where that's from all right stuff I'm gonna Misha Tate okay geez it must go back to retirement she's taking unnecessary damage

because she'll ever be champ at this point listen I think we realized something and Jed you you mentioned something that I saw immediately when Misha Tate walked out she looked like Ronda Rousey when she walks out in WWE. It's just a big smile.

She's waving to the peeps. Like she looks actually happy. She looks very happy to be there. And wins and losses matter, sure. She would love to fight for the title and love to say, I'm the one who slayed the beast and became a champion in two separate divisions in my UFC career. That's great. But Misha just seems happy to fight.

She just seems happy to be fighting. And that wasn't the case a lot of times during her UFC. run before she retired because you could see like the weight cuts are really bad there's a lot going on in her personal life there was a lot sort of holding her down and it seems like now like she's just happy to fight like she's enjoying training she's enjoying the process all the the rest of life seems to be falling into place like she just seems happy to be there so I don't think she needs to go back at retirement I don't think I don't think the whole goal I mean the goal of all fighters at most points is to be a champion and you would love to be the champion and you would love to be the champion

and get those opportunities. But for Misha, I think she's just happy to be back and be happy and free, which I don't think she's felt in a long time as a fighter with everything that was going on in her life, which sort of led to her retiring the first time. I don't know. What do you think, Jose?

Because, I mean, listen, we both followed Misha Tate for a long time. You don't see me, like, it's very rare you see Misha come out and she's just like, loose as a goo. She's free. She's got that smile on her face. It's actually good to see it. Like, she may have lost the fight and she got beat up a little bit,

but, She seems happy. Just fighting, Jose. Does she not? Yeah. She gets to fight in front of her kids. She's back in the UFC. She's, how long did she take off?

And this was essentially a number one contender fight. So, yeah, she's a popular fighter. She gets to fight in front of her kids. She gets to do what she likes if she wants to keep fighting. So be it. I also know she had something wrong with her nose for a long time. Like she got it shattered against Amanda Nunez. She got it shattered against Kellen Vieira.

So it seems like she has like that Frankie Edgar thing. where she gets touched once and her nose just starts leaking right away. So I don't know the actual damage of the nose or how much of that is just aesthetics that you should just turn the faucet on. But yeah, if Misha wants to keep fighting, I'm not going to tell her not to because it's not like she got knocked dead. She just got a nose bleed and possibly a broken nose. But that's 30 minutes now of her fighting,

her basically getting her butt kick for 30 minutes now, back-to-back fights. 40, isn't it? 40 minutes. Wasn't Vieerererer 25? Oh, beer was 25? Oh, okay. She got dominate pretty much that whole fight, right?

Yep. Yeah. She did not ever look close to winning. There were points when she was competitive. Okay. Point being, I guess the question is, is Tate, Misha Tate, is she going to be content with being, basically, to me the UFC has to use her to build up other fighters at this point? Is she going to be okay if that? I guess that's the question.

Seems like she is. Yeah. If she's okay, just fighting and being, I mean, almost like a Jim Miller in a sense. I know it's not the same, but no, Jim Miller, I don't think he has title aspirations. But I think he's like, you know, I just want to fight. I'm going to win. I'm going to lose. But I enjoy fighting.

Jim Miller at least says that he has title aspirations. I don't know if he actually believes that himself, but he has said that. I wish. I think she's your tire. I don't think she needs to. part of me wishes she didn't go down to fly away because now the rematch with holly home finally makes sense but it's not going to happen in two different divisions she just go right back up to yeah but women's bodies are far different than male bodies and it's hard to you know pack on muscle lose muscle

pack on muscle lose muscle and holly is as you said a hoss so you're going to want to get physically bigger to fight holly home yeah maybe i think she's your tire i don't think she needs to i don't think you need to have the conversation or whatever. But I think all of M.A fighters that aren't Connor McGregor should retire because you're not making enough money for the amount of risk and damage you're putting your body through. But if you want to do it, who am I to tell you how to earn a paycheck? I think Nisha should be on the broadcast team. I think she's very good on camera.

Yeah. I mean, she is. I totally agree with that. Get her in an announcer booth. Can't be worse than some of the things they've done in that, Rard. Yeah. I think she should go back to 35. I think she has better, easier fights at 35.

35 is the worst division by debt. Sure. I'm with you on that. That division's bad. Yeah. Just do fun. Yeah, just get in there and just some fun fights, you know? Thoughts of Dakota versus Jessica Penny.

I mean, we've been singing Emily DeCode's praises at MMA fighting for a couple of years now. But yeah, that was a great performance. That was great before. She battered Jessica Penny. And, yeah. What I like about Emily Decoding so much is that everything she does, like literally every single thing she does in that cage means something. Every movement, every like circular, every punch, every kick, every planting of the foot. Everything she does has meaning.

There's no wasted movements at all. Ready. No wasted movements. I love that. It made so much sense. Like everything she does has purpose and meaning and there's no wasted energy. She doesn't flail. She doesn't do anything wild.

Everything is just by the book. It's just she looks fantastic. And Jessica Penny is a dog. That was a great performance. That was really impressed. What did you think of to Cody, Jose? Yeah. I mean, I'm pretty sure I wrote the one, the recap for the site when she threw a baseball bat

across the head of, was it? Daniel Taylor. So yeah, she's been violent for a long time. And then people kind of forgot about her over the pandemic and so on or so forth. But yeah, I really, I really. really liked this matchmaking because jessica penny is a name she's fought for a title she's former you can you know bill it as the inviates champs fighting each other she's seen you know we saw jessica penny walking out and she was really emotional because she was just happy like she was

so emotional to get back into the octagon so i really like this matchmaking it made sense emily decode is a very violent female and talk about someone that i also think she should be on the broadcast i think jessica penny is also very good on the mic i think she could do i think she could do a lot uh maybe not calling fights, but like, you know, when they can get to the desk and she's there, I think her and Misha, if they want to do that instead of fight, I think it would be great, but if they want to keep fighting, they both seem really, really different emotions, but both of them are very excited to be back in the UFC and fighting and continuing. But it never looks good when you eat a lot of leg kicks to the point where you take a step and your leg immediately starts to buckle.

And the commentary is like, oh, look at her leg. Like right away, they said that. So it wasn't, we've seen we've seen Jessica Penny on the receiving end of a lot of one ended lot like beat downs like to the Yohanas and a couple other fighters in the world so whatever she wants to do she's been doing this for a long time but I hope she continues

if she wants to keep fighting so be it but if she doesn't I hope the OSC uses are in the boots she's very good yeah it's never good sign on the broadcast when they go to a live shot during the fight and they tell the camera guy zoom all the way in on her leg just like her leg on the screen I know you're probably not going to talk about this on to the next

but can I suggest I think it's time to have Michelle Watterson Gomez versus Jessica Pene 2 in the UFC Cool I'm fine with that sure I'm down Let's go let's go good solid fight I think I think we need to talk more about this fight Because it's so freaking awesome it's just talk more about it I was to say thank God someone you talk about this Why we did not this fight ruled

Yeah it was awesome just wax Just tell me everything about it. I don't know. Yeah. Like if Shaheen was here, I would have him painting the best writer in the sport. But Jed, I mean, come on. Go ahead. It's probably the round of the year, though you could also just throw a dart at any of the rounds

in Tashara, Pajka, for the same. So I'm not confidence round of the year. That just had five of them. So they stand out less than this one did. But the first round was like a fun round. And the second round was just absolutely bananas. I don't, I have no match now is not a man who's unknockoutable. In fact, he's been quite knockoutable for a lot of fights in his career.

And so insomid energy was just that, I mean, he was tuning him up anyway. But that one elbow like where he just came over and landed clean on the side, I was astonished that that didn't just face plant Chanel. And then he kept trying to like force it and do it. it when Chanel, like, just had his hands up here. He was like, please don't do that to me again. But the whole thing was insane. And then I don't know, because Snell was also throwing heat back,

which was a horrifically bad, like, strategy as far as the whole time, I was like, I didn't care. I had a bet on the under. I didn't care who got got. I just want somebody to get got. And it was like, why is Snell throwing back? He should just dive on the hips because he can obviously submit this human being if he does. But he just kept firing her back.

And I don't know if one of those ended up hurting Sumbed Airji, because some of them landed and got through or Sumergerj just got physically exhausted from the Homer Simpsoning of Matchnell. But then as soon as he got, as soon as that fight went to the floor, that was it. Like I had no doubt in my mind

that Snow was about to wrap this thing up because he instantaneously moved to Mount. Maderji rolled and then there was the finishing sequence. But that was awesome. Like I think the UFC tweeted it. Maybe somebody else did. Live odds had Matchnell as a plus 3,000. an underdog in the middle of that round when he was getting obliterated.

And then 20 seconds later or whatever it was, he turned the Tide and won. So that was awesome round. It was the most fun of the entire card by far. Is that submission to the year? No. No, I don't think so. It's got to be on the short list. It's in the five.

It's in the five, but I don't think it's number one. I mean, if we have comeback in the year, that's comeback in the year. It's comeback of the year. Sure. I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know. Glover had full mouth.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's the problem. That, yeah, that, yeah, that, yearie Glover was so freaking good. Like, everything else is kind of, that could be, that fight of, that could be fight of the year, comeback of the year. And it's all in one. Round and round of the year. It's all three of those for me at the moment.

And that's the problem. I thought of this fight when it was happening. I was like, that might be round of the year. And then I was like, actually. round five. I don't know if any of those rounds are as good as any of the Glover of Prohashka rounds.

And I was like, actually, this fight is kind of just a miniature version of Glover Year. Literally, yeah. And just,

yeah, just like physically smaller and condensed. It was just that. That was the fight. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I'm coming around

to the idea that Glover Year is the best fight of all time. I've watched like four times since. That fight is unbelievably cool. It's tough to hear entertainment. Absolutely. Absolutely. Just period.

In high stakes? Oh, yeah. I was not confident I would ever see a fight that I would feel like could at least contend with Condit Lawler, which for my money is the best fight of all time. Yes. That fight is in the conversation for me after watching it a bunch. Like this week or like around the last week or so was the anniversary of 189. So I was doing a lot of the socials for it. And I rewatched Lawler Rory too.

holds up so well. It does. But that's what I'm saying. Lawler-Rory was not great until the last like two rounds or so. Yeah. The first two are not that interesting. But the singular moments there are etched in stone. So if you want to tell me that it's the greatest fight, fine.

I don't think it is. The poster on face off is just iconic in a way that few things are in this sport. And the fact that Robbie Lawler had two mouths on his face. is also pretty wild, but yeah, Condit, Robbie is just a better fight. I think, I had more, I was more entertained martial art-wise at Condit GSP, honestly.

That fight is, I don't think enough people talk about that is one of the great fights ever, too. It's a really fun fight, but yeah, I, well, I don't know how we got down this rabbit hole, but the point is, if you want to call that fight, if you want to call that round of the year, I won't have an issue with it, but I think there are five rounds

in the heavyweight title fight this year that have an equally strong case for that. Certainly the fifth round of that fight, which is probably the best round of that fight. Yeah, I think Anthony Smith said it best. I spoke with him at Radio Row. We talked about that fight because he had said some things like the headlines may not really reflect what he meant

because he said like both guys had terrible performances. At least like that's what came out of his mouth when he was on the M.A. They did kind of, but they also had the best. But at the same token, yeah, I was like, what did you think of that fight? like where would you rank it, like now that you've gone back and watched it and digested it. And he said, in historical context, it's nowhere near the top. But in terms of entertainment, there's no close seconds.

That's what he said. Also, near the top is a bold state. Fighting in a weight title fight. Fighting in Singapore is so much harder than people think for the weather, the time difference. Like, Glover's wake thut was like, I didn't pan. Did you have to go to the sauna? I didn't just walk around outside. But when Glover and Yuri faced off, because remember how it was like old style Wayans where they had to get on the stage sucked out?

Oh, yeah. And he walked up. He looked like death getting off the scale. He looked like he was going to just pass out from walking down the stairs. And then Yuri also did not have the easiest weight cut. So, yeah, if they rematch on neutral territory in a not crazy climate of Singapore, I'm curious how it plays out. they're going to reach it. Take a couple more.

I hope so. Yeah. All right. Dude, I'll take it infinite. We have so much time. It's not even seven o'clock. We could do this for six hours. My Saturday would be normal, that.

Gotta be team players. Got to be team players. Stuff that needs to be written. There might be a surprise coming up on this channel a little bit later. So just stay tuned here. Well, if I another question, let me ask you this, though. This is kind of talking about this. Did Michelle make a mistake by stopping, by, I don't know,

by accepting that she tapped it, even though the rest of it? Well, I'll answer this because I was zoning out for most of the rambling. According to M.AFighting.com, she did the incorrect thing because she had sportsmanship. Next question. That's correct. I mean, she object. Like, if we talk about it all the time, and Casey, you throw this for not a lot more than the rest of, than I do, certainly, of like, well, he didn't get two paychecks. And like, if that's the guiding light at getting two paychecks, which is a reasonable guiding light, because this is a profession and the purpose of professions is to make money, then, yeah, she did the wrong thing.

But, you know, props to good sportsmanship or whatever. No one likes to be Matt Lindland. Yeah. Yeah, I think, yeah, she would have got. Yeah, she was in a bad, yeah. I think when she was released from that, from that choke, I don't think she even knew where she was. So I don't.

I am, I'm with you on that. Because the way she got up did not seem like she had it all together. Yeah. That felt, that felt like a real tap because I am out of this tap, not a, oh, this sucks tap. Yeah, correct. All right. It was kind of like the Dust Jacoby Dow and Jung knockout because down junk bounced up and and you know, went backwards.

And we knew, but like, yeah. Justin Jacoby did it right. And John was banged up. And that was the right call. That was the right call. He was done. I don't know what this question means, but maybe I missed something. Why is that being advertised as home territory of Islam-Machachev?

Because of 280. Because it's, because he likes to fight there. Because it's a- Because it is in the Middle East, which is a vast majority of, Muslim people and it's a religious thing yeah not a worded out thing yeah I'll tell you when I was the UFC isn't going to Russia but they are going there what is I can't remember the 267 267 was that the last Abu Dhabi card I lose track of as October card that was a goal on the title yeah I can't remember the name yeah so UFC 267 Abu Dhabi

Lee Jing Leon got booed mercilessly and Hamza was a rock star same as Corey the same as Corey the Sen Hagen and Yon. So this is a home. It's not a home crowd, but it is definitely enemy territory for Charles Olivar. Islam fought on that card too, right? Yeah, he ate Dan Hooker. That was the Dan Hooker fight, right? Yeah.

Yes. He ate Dan. Yeah, I'm trying to think when I was there for Habib versus Dust. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is. It felt like Habib was from Abu Dhabi. Like I was from hometown, for sure.

Like I've said. Yeah. Like I've said a thousand times as soon as Charles beat Justin Gachi, I said they are going to make this specific fight in Abu Dhabi because if Charles Olivera beats Islam Machchev in Abu Dhabi, give him whatever he wants. Give him whatever. If he goes, I want to fight Connor in Rio.

Yup, cool, man. You're a champion now, so you get pay-per-view points. So you should fight Connor with the belt, not for a vacant title. So good on him for taking this fight. I agree. if he goes, I want to fight Volkanovsky in Rio, great. If he wants to fight Francis and Ghanu, great.

I don't care. Because that point, Charles is probably, if he beats Islam and someone goes, Charles is the greatest light, whatever, I'm not going to argue. I'm not going to argue. If he beats Islam, now he,

I think he is inching in there. Yeah. Yeah. I want to see how we go. It comes really interesting. Yeah. Because if we get a replay of the main event today and it's just a weird injury,

not the best. But if he goes out there and does what he did to Justin and Dustin and Michael Chandler who I think are three of the seven three of the seven

best lightweights ever then yeah Charles Oliver is the best lightweight ever. I don't know that's really interesting question. Still a giant if he's got to get that giant if

oh yeah I just mean his it would be such a fascinating question because of all the all the bosses he had already. He would have a better resume than have I mean, a lot of people.

If you don't count the losses, that's a lot. If you just can't win. I don't have an issue with the argument. I just think it's a really interesting question. I also think there's, like I've said this a few times on the show, the Zim's between greatness and talent and the fact that he was, what, 10 and nine? And now he's all of a sudden at the top of the mound. That is a great feat to pull off.

He could be, he's not more talented than Habib, but he could be greater than Habib. Yeah, if he wins If he beats Islam and wins his 12 fight in a row If we compare the 12 fights, the recent 12 fights of Olivera To the 12 most recent fights of Habib It's I mean, it's close

It's at worst, it's like neck and neck For Olivera at worst But you can make a strong case And Oliveras is better And then Colin goes going to knock me out Oh my gosh Oh, man. There's like a real possibility.

It's like a real possibility. Everyone drops Charles before they lose. Yeah, I know. That's the issue. That's the issue. And that's why Habib would be so hard for Oliver ever to beat because Habib was just dominant. That's all. It was just dominant.

And it's just what you like more at that point, what you wait more. I get why people are saying Oliver, no issue. Yeah. It's a fine argument. I think it's interesting. trying to matchmake featherway yeah you're a minute number one contender sure uh or interim title play i feel like this is the fight

no matter what yeah you ever said i meant uh alan mitchell just in case of the fluke in the first fight i don't know if bryce is going to get all right allan maybe uh is that other cat that was supposed to fight ilia a couple times of loev yeah that's the fight for mitchell because they're ranked they're stacked on top of each other in the rankings that's what of loy of ones

yeah that's what i think that would be a dope fight higher I mean, if I would rule, but Is Bryce Mitchell injured right now? I like Orteen. Yeah, he's on the men's, but he got, he was injured and he injured himself in the Barboza fight. Oh, okay. Broke his hands, I think. Dana's already said he might be down to do Yair M for an interim title.

Yeah, saw that at the post. I mean, that's just what's happening. That's fine. I like it. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. Totally fine.

Ortega Kater would be dope, too. I like that fight too. that actually would take a cater is really fun but that will happen in a year because Ortega's out for a long time yeah yeah that it anything else uh yeah that's pretty much it okay we see the window pane that means it's time to hit the music so all I'll say is if you enjoy matchmaking if you want to dive deeper into matchmaking maybe uh maybe set those notifications because something might just pop up randomly with myself and my best friend AK to talk some matchmaking. Maybe later on tonight.

Maybe like two hours from right now. So get some dinner. Get a bite to eat. Taking advantage of the early start. And let's do this thing. But it might happen tomorrow too. But you're just going to have to stay tuned right here to find out when and where that's going to happen.

But we are done for Jose, for Jed, for EKC, I am Mike Heck. It was a fun card. It was. Main event. Main event ended in a rough way. But overall, this is a damn good card. This is a damn good card. It's on to London, baby.

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