MMA Fighting - UFC Paris Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Ciryl Gane's Dominance, Rose Namajunas Dropping Debut At 125

Episode Date: September 2, 2023

Ciryl Gane and Rose Namajunas entered UFC Paris as the two biggest storylines in terms of whether or not they could bounce back from their recent championship bout losses, and in the end, only one reigned supreme, while the other goes back to the drawing board. Following the UFC's return to Paris, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, José Youngs, and Jed Meshew react to Gane's near perfect game of a performance against Serghei Spivac, what we learned from the former interim heavyweight champion during his second-round main event finish, and if Tom Aspinall should be his next opponent. Additionally, the panel reacts to Rose Namajunas falling short in her flyweight debut against Manon Fiorot, where Namajunas goes from here, and if Fiorot did enough to leapfrog Erin Blanchfield in the title discussion, along with Benoit Saint-Denis' incredible performance against Thiago Moises, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Available now, only from Audible. We're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Yes, the victory horns are back and they're sounding for some hometown heroes. Cyril gone, Man in Fioro, Ben Woff. Saini closing the show with big victories to cap off the UFC's return to Paris.

And it is official, ladies and gentlemen. The best crowd of 2023 is what we just saw today. The Akker Arena in Paris absolutely on fire from moment one all the way through Cyril Gons, one way destruction of Sergei Spivak in the main event. Crowd was absolutely on fire. We're here to talk all about it. Welcome to the UFC Paris Post Fight Show. We're live in the MA Fighting YouTube channel.

I am Mike Heck. Being joined by two of my favorites. First, Mr. Jose Young's getting ready to travel internationally to Sydney, Australia, for UFC 293. How are we doing, Jose? Are we all packed? We ready to go? 12 hours from now, I will be 30,000 feet in the air on a Sunday, and I will land in Sydney, Australia on a Tuesday.

Not fun, but looking forward to some fistfighting action down under. Yes. And also joining us, Mr. Hot Take, Mr. No Gray area. I'm sure he's got thoughts, opinions, takes as he always does. Mr. Jedmishu. Hello, Jed.

How are you? I mean, on the one hand, I would love to go to Australia. That sounds really fun. On the other hand, I don't want to go to Australia for this card. So I'm of mixed emotions, for you. I don't know how to feel for you. But this card,

this card we just watched was fine, but that crowd was electric, Mike, best crowd of the year by far. Absolutely. And it made the event better than it actually was. So Jose, let's begin with you. Cyril Gan bounces back, gets Sergei Spivak.

And a lot of people look to this. This is a classic striker versus grappler matchup. This is the definition of it. Sergei Spivak shot for a take in the first round after getting kind of battered up a little bit by Cyril Gahn, who was just moving around, just out athleticing Sergei Spivak. And then Sergey went for a takedown and Cyril Gond just sprawled and laid on top of them

and stood right up and the look on Sergey Spivak's face. I typed literally into our private Slack channel. Sergei Spivak is screwed after that whole situation. It turns out five minutes later, fight was over. Cyril Gond bounces back, big win, bounce. this back from the loss of John Jones. What did you make of Cyril Gahn's performance in front of his home crowd? I mean, he essentially pitched a perfect game.

Like you said, he showed off enough aspects of his game that showed improvements. Like I said in the preview show that this fight could go any sort of direction just because obviously I think Cyril Gons are the better fighter than Sergey Spivek, but Spivek's strengths are Cyril Gons' weaknesses. And that's obviously the grappling and wrestling department. obviously when Cyril Ghan fought Francis Gano, I can't imagine he thought Francis would rely on such a wrestling heavy attack. So don't know how much wrestling he did in camp. And then good luck anyone in the world beating John Jones, because he's just the greatest fighter of all time.

So I would imagine Cyril Gahn spent a lot of time wrestling, like he said he was going to do after he lost to John Jones, because he never really did much of that in camp when, you know, he was fighting Gires,ino and Volkov and Derek Lewis and Junior Dos Santos. those like these guys that probably aren't shooting for double legs or single legs too often. So clearly when the first, when Sergei shot for that first takedown grabbed a leg and Serogan basically jumped out of it, like just jumped out of it and landed on Sergey Spivak. I was like, well, this fight is pretty much over at this point because that was Sergey's best shot. They were still dry. It was against the fence.

And Cyril Gahn just, I mean, who would have thought being a freak athlete would be the best base for MMA in the heavyweight division? Yeah, it was a wrap. It was a perfect game. Great crowd, great reception, great performance. This is exactly what Cyril Gahn needed. I said it was similar to like when Derek Lewis's last performance, he just needed a perfect performance that got people talking. That's exactly what Cyril Gahn did in Paris today.

Jed, listening to No Betz Bard when you and G.C. We're talking about this fight. You guys said probably within like the first three minutes, we would know exactly how this fight was going to play out. And I think that's kind of what happened here. but at the same token, because of how this all played out, Jed, what did you take away the motion this? Like, did you learn anything truly new about Cyril gone in this one?

Because it was kind of a, it wasn't a great shot from Sergey Spivak. He didn't come out with a, I'm just going to tackle you right away. I'm going to try to stand with you, maybe try to throw you off your game a little bit. And Cyril's like, okay, I'll do this. So, like, what did you take away the most from this performance? I learned that my priors were correct about Sergey Spivok. I learned nothing about Cyril Gahn. This was the outcome that I felt was by far the most likely,

but I had like some trepidation just because statistically Cyril Gond is really bad at defending takedowns. He has that number will improve from this outing, depending on how many Spivak gets credited with. But it was like 40% takedown defense coming into this fight. And like, look, stats have. have a lot of issues with them in general, particularly given his sample size. But still, basically the only two dudes who ever tried to take him down did so it will. And so I had some concern that like, maybe this dude truly just does not understand wrestling.

And Spivak is good enough and has been a very effective like clinch takedown artist that if something happens, I can't be shocked. But I thought that this was the most likely outcome because there are two cheat codes in it. in an MMA. The biggest one is athleticism. And at heavyweight, it's the one that matters by far the most. And they were playing in different sports. Like, show that to someone who knows nothing about fighting. They'd be like, yeah, those two dudes are not the same. Like, I don't need to see that one of them's hitting the other one. The way that he is simply moving around as if Sergei Spivak is stuck buried in mud is clearly he is going to win a fight here. so uh yeah i learned nothing about con i suspect that we will learn more about him when he does fight tom aspinall but i am i thought that there was a world where maybe maybe we're all underestimating

sergey spivak's been on a good little run here granted he hasn't beaten anybody good but like still 28 maybe maybe he's going to be something nope nope nope it's just who he is and that's nothing wrong with that you know, top 12 heavyweight in the world. But that's my biggest takeaway. So Jose, Jed mentioned it. Tom Aspinall did what he said he was going to do after his recent went over marching Tybor. I'm going to fly to Paris.

I'm going to sit in the crowd and watch serial guns, Sergei Spivak fight. And I'm going to fight the winner. Now, Asmodal has already kind of run over Sergei Spivak. So I don't know if the appetite would have really been there for that one. But I think this is the result that Tom was kind of hoping for, that he could fight a guy who has won an interim title and has fought for the heavyweight title on two different occasions, Jose.

So Sergey Pavlovich is there. We get Jeltsin, get ready to fight Curtis Blades. John Jones getting ready to fight steep. There's a lot going on here at heavyweight. Are we doing, in your opinion, Cyril gone Tommy Aspinall? Is that the fight to make? Or do we got to wait a little bit

and just see how this all plays out over the next few months? I mean, that's probably going to happen, especially if they want to do another big fight night in Europe. I mean Mr. London main event versus Mr. Paris main event would just make sense to do it in Europe and all Europe

big heavyweight tilt would be awesome to witness. So obviously the UFC will probably put it somewhere like Minneapolis for whatever reason. But I don't, if you're asking me what I would do, I'm also working under the assumption that the winner of, especially of John Jones wins, which I think he will. and John Jones either vacates the belt or retire and steepy retires and there's a vacant belt. I would personally like to see Pavlovich versus Tom Aspinall, and I would do Cyril Gone

versus the winner of Jailton Alameda versus Curtis Blades just because Cyril's 0-and-2 in big, you know, undisputed heavyweight title fights, and Pavlovich and Tom Aspinall have not had the opportunity to fight for that yet. Pavlovich is weighing in again as a backup, so I'm going to assume he's won half of the main event of any vacant heavyweight title fight and I just would like a fresh face up there. So I would say Tom Asmel Pavlovich main event, Cyril Gond versus the winner, Jamelton, I made a Curtis Blade.

So that's just what I would do anyway. But I'm not going to try to pretend I know anything about the UFC matchmaking because we ask for all kinds of things and they never work out. Jed, what do you think happens here? Because despite, look, Michael, people feel about Michael Bisping as a commentator and his post-fight interview are

that want but yeah i he was not great tonight but he has not been great in like two years but in this case he's in the cage talking to cyril gone who's coming off this big win and he does exactly what he should do hey see that guy right there that's tom aspinall he called you out he came here to watch you fight any interest in fighting him cyril gone completely no sells him and it's just basically the answer is, listen, I just want to get back to the belt and whatever I need to do to get to the belt, that's what I'm going to do. So I immediately heard that and was like, huh, that's kind of interesting. I'm surprised he just completely no-souled this idea. What did you think of that? Just no-selling. Tom Aspen all together. Was that smart, in your opinion? No. I would also, one of my issues with

Bisp being, I think he is better at post-fights is than doing his live commentary. One of my issues is he just like he is doing exactly that he's feeding narratives and i know that like the ufc probably wants that but that's not really what should be happening like let the fighters create the narratives that they want to create don't you don't have to insist on them uh because i mean sure we think it makes sense and tom aspinall wants this and i guess the ufc wants it but like zero gone doesn't seem to give a shit about it so we don't really need to be like hey this this is undeniable we have to there are plenty of other dudes Tom Aspinall could fight.

So he just doesn't seem to care about it. I suspect he doesn't care because he's going to get tuned up if he does take that fight. But I'm not entirely surprised because his whole demeanor heading into fight week was, dude, I don't need to have a face off with Tom Asperall in the cage after UFC Paris. Like he's not, he's concerned about doing him and not giving any ancillary shine anywhere else. And maybe that's good. maybe that's bad for him promotionally.

I'm honestly not sure. But I am not shocked that he didn't take the low-hanging fruit because he could easily be like, actually, I'd really love to face Jailton Al-Meda next. Like you guys say I can't defensively grapple. If he beats Curtis Blades, let me fight that dude. And I'll show you that. So not shocked.

And I don't care enough. Fair enough. To Biswick's defense, he's got the earpiece. They're telling him essentially like, what to say and what to ask so yeah it's kind of i get i get i get i get that they're doing it but that part just rubs me the wrong way like that's the fighter's time to do something not your time to be like hey here's here's what you're supposed to say say it like if you guys want them to do that talk to them backstage and it put them through media classes and be like hey here's where

we want you to go with your career if you win here's what you should do not we're going to ham fistedly have michael bisping try to real time put words and your mouth because it doesn't come off smoothly. Well, one thing UFC told Sierra gone after the victory was you got yourself $50,000 because he got himself a bonus. Morgan Sherriar got a bonus. One day I'm going to pronounce that correctly. Flight of the night, no surprise.

Benoit Santini versus Tiago Moises. Those are your bonuses for UFC Paris who will talk about Benoit Sontes. and what he accomplished tonight in a moment. But let's talk about the co-made event. It will begin with you. Manon Fioro versus Rosemiannui Unis. I believe you had a bet on Rosenomianus. I picked Rose to win.

Casey picked Rose to win. It just was a value pick more than anything. And I think kind of you and I were in the same line of thinking here. That if Rose is going to move up to 125, she's going to take the time to do it and accept this fight. She is going to be ready to go. She's going to be focused. Chip on her shoulders.

her and everything. And even if she had that tonight, Jed, it just didn't seem like it was enough. Manning kind of pushed her around a little bit. She was just bigger. She was stronger. And Rose didn't really, she didn't really, she had some moments in the fight.

I thought if you're going to give her a round, it's the third. And the two judges who scored it for Rose, who scored a 29, 20th of Fioro, gave Rose the third round. But what was your biggest takeaway from Fioro's win over Rose Nam Yunis? was it more on the mann inside or on the rose side well first of all the most important thing is that

brock bowers just scored the first touchdown of uj football season so let's go baby go dogs second uh my biggest takeaway on this fight that we're supposed to be talking about not to j football game that's going on right now is uh remember earlier when i said there like two cheat codes in may and one of them's athleticism it's the biggest one particular heavyweight i think I haven't done, I haven't crunched numbers, but I'm starting to believe that the biggest cheat code, particularly in the lightest weight classes, is less athleticism, though that is very important. And just being a hoss, if you are just a sturdy, immovable human being at lighter weight classes, that is very, very strong weapon to employ.

And that's what we saw. Like, this doesn't need to be there. Everybody dunk on Jamal Hill for his bad takes contest because Jamal Hill had a really bad take being like rose piece rost piece furor up and he got dunked on by it basically everybody on twitter as a result of it he's like almost right he's not right she didn't she did not like tune up furo in any way and she didn't win the fight but you could see that she's better at fighting like she is better at the composite pieces of fighting she cut more angles she had much more diversity to her attacks she was slipping her defense was much had much more layers in depth

as opposed to engage or disengage. Like she is better at the pieces of it. But she, there was too big a gap between them physically for her to generate the kind of offense. So that was meaningful. Like she would land shots and Furo would eat them fine. There was really no issue there. Furo never hurt her either.

But the damage accumulation, like at the end of the first round, they landed pretty even amount of shots. And Rose's face is jacked up because she's getting hit by somebody who has 10 pounds of muscle on her and is a horse. And so it just is sort of how that fight immediately in that fight, I thought, man, Rose might be able to win. Like she has an edge and skill here.

Maybe she can parlay that into a victory. And in the third round, she came out well. I still scored that round for Furo, but I was doing live vlogging. So, like, I'm not married to that decision. But she just, she couldn't hurt Fero. And when she got hit, it showed it. it moved her body physically more. She has no future at this weight class unless she really puts on,

like, a lot of actual muscle to, to compete here at the upper end of it. And so that, and also, I did not realize that Trevor Whitman wasn't going to be coaching her. Had I known this, and had I known that this was the Pat Barry show,

I probably wouldn't have felt as confident in my Rosemunum Unus pick coming into this fight. Hand up. I missed that one. I think most people miss that one because that's probably been the biggest question I've been getting is where the hell was Trevor Whitman on this fight. And who knows at this point? Trevor's not a guy that does a lot of media. Maybe he'll comment it about it on social media, but glaring hole in the corner.

I know for Rose's fight with Carla, Trevor was there, but he wasn't saying anything. He was just kind of there while Pat Barry was shouting out the instructions. And we know how that fight went. and tonight no Trevor Whitman whatsoever. What was you, what did you think of the fight, Jose? I know like you didn't get to watch it all, but what did you think of Manon's performance? And because I feel like this is going to be more about Rose losing than Manon winning. I think Rose losing is going to get more of the headlines.

So what did this performance do for Manon? Because she called for the title shot. Aaron Blanchfield beat Tyler Santos last week. Seems to be a two horse race between these two ladies. At this point, we get the rematch for the title between Greta. Grasso and Shepchenko coming up in two weeks. Who's ahead now after this win? Well, in terms of how the fight played out, none of you guys are on the preview show with

A.K. and Casey and I, and this one exactly as I said, Rose is without question the better martial artist all around, like cuts better angles, has better striking, has better grappling everything. She's just fighting a bigger woman. And that's the, that was going to be the deciding factor. There's a reason when fighters move up and wait, they tend to start lower on the totem pole and work their way up. Every now and then you get someone like Jessica Andrade who just eats Caltechagan's liver in their first fight and gets thrust into a title fight. But like you saw with Dustin Porre and a lot of other guys that move up and wait, they start outside the top 15 or on the out like right at the 15 rank and then work the way up. So by the time they get to the top

five of the division, their body is used to it. Rose just looks like a straw, weight that just stopped cut a weight. She didn't look like a flyweight like Manon. Manon was very clearly bigger. In terms of who's ahead between her and Aaron Blanfield, I would say it depends on who wins between Valentina and Alexa Grasso, and it depends on where the UFC is going to go with these fights geographically. If Valentina wins, obviously a Manon Valentina fight somewhere in Europe would probably

be really popular idea because they both have ties to those regions. And then if Alexa wins, if they want to do another. May card, a single demayo card in Newark or the New York area. That's where Aaron Blanchfield is from. I would imagine that's what they would do. So I just think if who's ahead, I think Aaron Blanchfield is ahead. I think she has more. I think Aaron Blanchfield is ahead.

But I have no confidence in saying that. Neither woman blew the doors off or had like this super impressive performance. Aaron Blanchfield beat Tyler Santos, someone that almost beat Valentine's. Tina and Manifero beat a straw weight that was unranked at flyweight. Neither was an overly impressive performance. So I just think errands ahead, maybe a step ahead. And it's just going to depend on who wins and where they go geographically. Because that seems to be how the UFC makes decisions these days.

Jed, where does Rosamai Yunus go from here? It's tough to go back to 115 with the way things are playing out right now. 125 is crazy town. What happens? I don't know. On what Jose said, I agree in large part, I will say, I think if Valentina wins, at this point, they will just run the trilogy now. I was skeptical of that, but I think if she wins, now they're just going to do that as a three match,

and we'll get Aaron versus Furo for a number one contenders fight, you know, sometime in the similar time frame there. So that's my guess. As far as Rose, why I didn't like this fight? I thought this fight like was fine. but the downside of it's really bad for Rose because what is her career at this point. Probably does just go back to 115. It didn't look to me like she really put on weight to move up.

Like Jose said, look like she was a strawweight who didn't cut. So she can go back. And you know, if it's hey, I just wanted to try and see and now I'm going to go back. Okay. But that moving weight class is a desperate move.

And I said this before. It's like it's the thing you do when you're out of office. and you don't know how else to get back to the title, etc. That's not where Rose was. Rose lost the fight in like the belt in an awful fight, but she had two wins over the current champion and just needed like a win at straw. It would be right back in contention. So I don't know what like what this was about because it wasn't about winning because she was never going to beat the top of it.

If she can't beat the off your all, she can't beat the other people in this way class. So I don't know. I guess she goes back to 115 or she should do the things she should have done at first and just go back to the farm. You are happy on the farm. Continue to do that. America needs plenty of farmers out there. And that's a good life too.

And you don't have to do this. Yeah, it's going to be real interesting to see what she does. Because if she stays at 125, who's she going to fight? Natty Ice? Like, is that kind of her future is fighting somebody like that? at this point? No. I mean,

maybe you just give her. I'd watch the hell of that fight. I think you give her the like her Chukagian, you know, like you do the older hands at the weight class and see if she can succeed against somebody like that. Or, or. Barbara? No. Barbara just has surgery.

She's out. Oh, did she? Yeah. We, I don't care what happens in November. can we just do the trilogy can we just do the rose Jessica Andrade's trilogy we could do it at 125 we could do it at 115 for the love of God

Can we just do that? Isn't Jessica and Drod matched up already? Right but yeah she's fighting McKenzie Dern but Have her fight the loser that Or not other one of those Yeah just no have her fight her management Jessica and Drudge

She's just gonna testify her management for continuing to roll her into fight Like she's trying to get six fights in this year And she keeps getting her ass beat. What are we doing? So dumb. It's so dumb. It's got to be real interesting at 125.

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man, what a first round between him and Tiago Moises he just laid the wood on Tiago Moises until like the last

50 seconds of the first round and Moisa started landed to big shots and things getting real fun. And then round two happens. And BSD just mowing down Tiago boys. This just looks so much more physical, just looks so much bigger in there. Like Tiago looked like a bannam weight compared to Benoit Santini. It was crazy. But now since moving back to

his natural weight class at 155, B'Awantanee is 4-0, four finishes. And now he takes on a perennial top 20 guy and just mows him. down impressive performance i think he opened up a lot of eyes jose what did you make a benwa santa nis today that was some performance was it not that dude just secretes violence um if it just felt like anything he wanted to do to and props to chago moises like he was in there fighting back as long as he could until his body just gave out on him i thought he was hooked at the end of that round and then he had that flurry that i don't want to say it rocked uh benoit santan mean But he was very clear, like, oh, he's still throwing, so maybe I shouldn't just rush in.

Smart move, too. That dude is, he is now a point. His next fight will be a point in viewing. Everyone in the MMA landscape that knew about him, like, this was one of those fights they circled. Now it doesn't matter where or who he fights next, people are going to tune in to watch that dude get covered in blood, either his own or someone else's blood. Yeah. he secretes violence and he is going to be a lot of fun to watch moving forward especially if he stays a lightweight how excited are you because jed you you and i are in the same page lightweight is the best

division in the sport bandam weight is very oh my i've been i've been hammering that you've been that way as well you've been that way as well we've we've argued with people in boston about this as well uh but jad i mean lightweight now we have this guy we have this guy now added to the mix and he made not even he might be one of the 15 best lightweights in the world he's probably he may not have that number next to his name after this performance although he's probably ended up in my rankings on the m a fighting global rankings after what he did today how excited are you to see this guy start taking on dudes of numbers next to their names because there's some fun fights for that guy dude he's super fun i'm pulling on my rankings now to see yeah he's probably going to make it into

mine. He's probably going to slide into the 15 spot after this. Again, being a hoss, Mike, he's just he was just a gigantic human being in there against the Yakkoy says who's been a, you know, top 25, top 30 lightweight for a long time just hanging around being real good. And BSD was just like, sup, bro. Wicked kicks, just just a violent, violent dude. He's awesome. I don't know if this makes sense like, you know, promotionally or where they're going. That's for you to decide, Mike. You have a great program on this,

this very website, this very podcast network. But what I think we should do is we should call up Matt Favola, and we should just let the chaos ensue. Just let these two dudes hit each other and see what happens, because it will be violent and awesome. Madison Square Garden, it's got rules.

UFC 295. That is, that's exactly. the fight to make. Spoiler. And this guy rules. Like, this guy's really fun. And like, that's, that's the thing. There's some other fighters you could talk about on the fight card and like,

I know that this is pedantic and kind of disrespectful in some ways. And it's just who I am. Like, you choose who you want to be as a fighter. And you can choose to be Taylor Lappalus, you know, or you can choose to be Pinawantani. Like you, this is a choice you can make. What was or I'm sorry William go me was like the bad one. It's like Yeah, Laplace was me. Sorry, I was the too many Frenchmen and I it was hard.

Don't be William go me be a bit more than me like just be a dude who's going to come and get rugged with it and like It's just way cooler because you're probably not going to make it to the belt because no one reasonably is ever going to make it to a title. It's impossible to win a belt, but at least be fun as hell while you're in there to get down. And that's BSD is every time. He's always a good time. And yeah, like Jose said, dude's going to become real popular if he keeps this up. Yeah. What a performance. Him and Vervola is going to be fun.

Beard, like two good beards just going after it. Two crazy fun fighters getting after it. Do it at MSG. Prevola would love that. He's been calling for MSG and wanting it to fight somebody on that card for so long. I love that match. If he's willing to turn around that quick, let's freaking do it. it. Volcan Oostimair getting a submission. People just ripping up their betting tickets all over

the place. Vulcan gets his first submission. What a dirt bag. What an absolute dirtbag move. The second sub ever. Was this was this the fight that G.C. was like, I might take a little shot at that sub prop and you're like, well, don't do it because it's going to lose. I don't think this was it. No, it couldn't be it because no. He hasn't. His first submission. was like his second fight or whatever is the only submission he had in his career because i was on the tkko prop so i was like bogden isn't very good i watched him fight he's not good i don't know what bisming was talking about like this guy has the look of a guy he could come in here and do like no he actually looks awful and vulcan's going to win and then he taps him and it ruined my betting ticket

micah's very upset uh morgan charier kicked off the main card nasty body kicks gets the tkio win at three minutes 51 seconds sent the crowd into a frenzy that none about that's at at at at casey was there okay bring in casey case i don't know what he is at paris no you were there you were there on the previews no he was there for the preview show right what how you were there and i paused the preview show to basically just talk about that fight and i was like i am more excited for this fight than any other fight outside of the top two fights. Casey was like, you sold me on it. Casey, did it deliver?

Oh, yeah, yes. Yeah. Sure is. Morgan Sherry is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That was the fight I like circled and I was like, if you're watching one fight outside of the top two, watch Morgan Sharier fight.

That dude is super fun, is super popular. He has a massive audience and I think the UFC is going to have, has, I'm not calling him like a Sean O'Malley superstar, but if he's, they go anywhere in europe stick him on that card and he's going to have fans flock to him that was such an awesome performance like when he kicked manolo like his body left the ground like he was like punching a football that was an unbelievable performance and man i was nervous because i when i tell people to watch one fight it oftentimes doesn't work out sometimes it works out was like i said there are three fights that i have ever prayed to like the fight gods for in my entire life there are

three they were MVP and paul daily didn't work out they were brian ortega and the korean zombie didn't work out and it was nick d as ravi luller too very sad so when i was like morgan shard is the guy to watch i was a little nervous and he delivered with flying colors yeah nasty performance was a really good matchup for him too which is the second body kick is chef's kiss like the first one that crumples him up and he's falling and gets up and then just just like goes right back to it like a punt oh that's that's the good stuff baby that's what you mean both feet were all both of manola's feet was off the ground like he was in the air like getting punted it was unbelievable it was yeah that's good stuff man and you know it's wild the most boring fight on the main card

ended up delivering the more memorable kick from William Gomi to Yana Skamori. Just, Jose, what did you think of this? Because if you guys didn't see it, William Gomi has added to this list that we've had over the last few weeks of shots to the ding ding that are like on the border, on the border line of like,

is it or is it not? And the referee is just like, okay, do you want to go? Do you want to go? and like no one said anything and he's just like, all right, I'm stopping the fight. And it was ruled a TKO. Like what this is so, I had no idea what was happening until people like who are rewinding it and watching it really closely were telling me.

So this was just so bizarre, wasn't it? It was very bizarre. And I'm very happy, like, I'm not happy it happens, but I'm thankful that it happened in, of all the main card fights, this one probably had the lowest stakes in terms of like hype and title contention. name value. So if there was going to be one, one mess, I was, I'm glad it was on this car, but yeah, it was bizarre because even Janus was like, he seemed very confused about what was happening. And then I can't imagine what was happening to the fans in attendance because like us

is when we were watching the television, the commentators did their best trying to figure out what was going on. If I'm in attendance and Willem Gomi does that and they call the fight and everyone seems confused, I'm pissed. Luckily, you know, everyone will, still high on that Morgan Sharday fight and this was probably felt like a bathroom break fight. I honestly, good placement, honestly, before the chaos of the top three fights, top four fights started. Yeah, confusing all around. Don't know.

I don't know. I don't know because I can't say I agree or disagree because it just felt like such a bizarre turn of events. I have, yeah, it was bizarre is the word I would say. Yeah. If I'm Gmori's team, I am appealing this. It may not go anywhere, but you absolutely have to appeal it. What did you think of this, Jeff? Right?

I mean, was it low? Was it not? Like, and then just how the referee handled it? How do you grade it? It's just, it's weird. Like, I knew it was happening the whole time. And I get it. If this feels like a situation that just is going to occur at some points.

And we can't just like be too upset because the ultimate end result is there's going to be an appeal process. So we'll get overturned to a no contest. And sometimes you're going to have things like this. in a perfect world. At a very baseline, the referee in real time, who is the arbiter of things that are illegal or fair, believed that that kick was a fair kick. And so not once but twice implored both fighters to continue. And the one dude turned around and walked away.

And so that, by definition, is, hey, he's not willing to fight. I have told them, though, the fight is legal continue. he turned around and walked. That's, that's him quitting. The fight is stopped. Pretty reasonable and unlike, it is very obvious that neither dude really registered what he was saying. And so the best, the best answer would have been like, hey, stop. I said the fight is on. Can fight each other. And then if they continue to not, then you can call it. But, you know, that's not what happened. And we end up with this result. I think the attitude is correct if the even if the outcome was poor.

Like the idea of that a lot of fans and seems to sort of be a thing here is, oh, well, it was pretty clearly a low kick and so you should stop the fight. He didn't think it was. And if he, the referee did not believe that that kick was illegal, that's correct. Like, the way he handled it should be how it goes. It shouldn't be, well, I'm going to stop and defer. and we've seen Herb Dean and a lot of people, oh, he's acting like he got poked in the eye, blah, blah, blah.

There is no way to make up for this that way, like if the dude's just game the system. So I think his heart was probably in the right place. The execution is really poor. But ultimately, we're going to get, this will get overturned to a no contest. And it's unfortunate, but it's not the end of the world. And sometimes weird things are going to happen when people are fist fighting.

That's just the name of the game. Taylor Lapelisk gets the winner over Cowell. And Lachran, shout out to Kyle Lockren for, I mean, putting the spotlight on these prelims. I mean, that dude should get a bonus just for making it interesting. And the walkout to no music was incredible, even if it was a mistake because there happened to be music at the end of the walkout. So I don't know if like he planned it that way, but geez, Louise was that fun. More people need to do that.

If you're trying to be the villain, do that. That was, that was very, very well done. It's a shame that you lost because that was great. Yeah, he walked out and just like stared each fan in the eyes, like had his back to the oct. It was great. It was great. Anjusa, Reese McKee, crazy fight. Anglosa gets the win.

This was kind of like on the surge of really bizarre scorecards because apparently a judge thought Reese McKee didn't win that third round, which is weird, super weird. weird. Reese McKee remains winless in the inside the octagon. That's crazy. But that was a... That feels like they just wrote the scorecard and just mailed it in before the episode. Like, yeah.

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The other fight, Norca, Cornel versus Jocelyn Edwards, when I heard, when I heard Jose, 3027, 30, 27, 29, 20. I'm like, all right, Jocelyn Edwards clearly won this fight. And here's what I put it on Twitter. Like 29, 28, but 3027 wouldn't surprise me. I'm not saying that Nora winning is like egregious. I'm not saying that because there was a close fight. But to say that Jocelyn Edwards did not win a single round in that fight, that is egregious.

3027 is awful, Jose, isn't it? That's a terrible card. That's real bad. That's about as bad as you can get. Again, thank God it wasn't in a super high stakes fight near the top of the card. I'm not, am I crazy in the fact, in the sense that like I scored at 3027 for Jocelyn? Like, I thought she won all. I think there is a very real world that she won.

won all three rounds. So the fact that two of the judges thought she lost all three rounds was when they, I'm with you. When they announced 3027 3027, I was like, oh, Jocelyn won. And then when they announced Nora's name, I was like, I don't know about that fight. Don't really care to watch that fight over again and see if I was wrong. But in the moment, I was pretty confident Jocelyn had won. What do you think, Chad?

Weird one. Yeah, 3027 is bad. it's it's it's just if you wanted to do 30 27 Edwards that is much better than 3027 I had it 29 28 I didn't think I gave the second round of Cornole but I think that there's a much better argument that Edwards won the second round than there is a quinole won the third round if nothing else so uh sure super weird really really bad scorecard um odd that all of them were in agreement, you know, just just some home cooking. That's that's why you hold events in a country. Get a little home cooking going your way. So like Jose said, not to be super boring.

I'm not going to watch this back to see if I care to change my mind. And thank goodness it happened in a fight that no one's really all that upset about. And as Jose didn't say, the most important thing here is the universe evens itself out because Jocelyn Edwards took a stone cold. robbery off Lucy Putalova and so now she loses a probable robbery here and that's the way the world balanced itself out over time so when am i gonna when am i going to get my four btl wins back from jett that's a i'm not better yet better yet when do i get my win back from bc he literally didn't give an answer and the basically it's really true that's that's that's the most agree Yeah, that's like a fighter saying, I'm just not going to fight the last round and then getting a 3027.

There is just chaos outside of my house right now. We have, we're getting like all the roofs are getting replaced. And then they chose like right now, seven o'clock on a Saturday. Let's just turn the radio up for a blast. Let's, uh, let's clean up the driveway. Like, it's blast the leaf blower, even though I, it's just it's always glad. I'm just glad that someone is. is actually working on your house.

Because my parents have been trying to redo their roof. And as you guys know how contractors are, they'll go about three weeks without showing up. So props to you for finding anyone that will show up. So I live in a like a detached townhouse and we're forced to get it done even though our roof is in like decent shape. They're like, they're just coming to do the roofs and you can't park a new driveway. You can't even park near the house for the next two weeks. And we're just like, okay. Oh yeah.

And by the way, you got to pay all this money for it on top of it. So you're welcome. Does this work pre or post hurricane? Oh, it started before the hurricane. And then they took two days off because of the hurricane that didn't hit us. Never does. And here we are on a Saturday. Never comes through.

I mean, this better be the cleanest driveway I've ever seen with all this noise going on. We did find like a dozen nails of the driveway the other day, which is super fun. So maybe this is a good sound for all of us. uh jackal kavikana get to win and freed bashurat speaking of fun fighters with bright futures just claysa rodriguez had nothing for this man the bashirad bros they are a problem at 135 uh kacey come on in that is a very very brutal t-shirt or a sleeveless shirt i should say wow god wow holy holy holy too soon a little bit i mean i love it but it's it's It's a statement.

Cliff was, Cliff was sleeping in Kirk's bed that day, too. So if anything, it would have been Kirk if, you know, Cliff wasn't asleep. What a, wow.

So people just listen. In case he's wearing a shirt that said it should have been Lars, which is insane. I mean, it's a statement. If you had an option, I mean, I don't want any of them to die.

No one wants to me to die. No one says that. But no, if you had to choose, you know, Maybe we can choose some questions and change the subject. Oh, well, fair. Okay, you're wearing it.

Uh, jett, I'll start with you. Did Gond's wrestling defense level up or is Sergey that bad? I don't, I mean, maybe it leveled up. We just don't have any idea. Yeah. Sergey didn't do anything to give us any sense of what happened. He didn't ever get close to anything like if if gone had really like hey look at him. He sprawled and turned the corner and got like no he had like one sprawl the whole time and it was from a shot that was not like a deep power double. It was basically Sturgey just bent over at the waist and ran at him like no. We have no idea. Maybe it leveled up. We just have no clue. I think I'll level it up. I'm gonna go ahead. Leveled up. Could be. I'm, I think it's. I think it's.

leveled up from zero to one. No. I know. I just be being. That's just me being a curmudgeoning. Yeah. Cyril, I mean, like I said, I can't imagine Cyril did that much wrestling before the Francis fight. And if you look at everyone else, he beat, they're not big wrestlers. So I just think he had a game plan for

Sergey and it was a bunch of defensive wrestling and they were still dry. And so the fact that he literally jumped out of a takedown was very impressive. I would have been curious to see if the fight lasts longer if Sergey ever got a hold of him, but he didn't. Sorry. And I also think that Cyril's defensive grappling and his defensive wrestling,

the lack of it was kind of overblown because of the John fight. And people just don't understand. I agree. People don't, they just forget how good John is, that he's arguably the greatest fighter to ever fight. And John is a very good grappler and a very athletic dude. And he could do that to pretty much anybody he wants to. So to compare Sergei Spivak to John Jones is like, it's ridiculous. It's a ridiculous comparison.

So you have, you only have to have gone facing spitback. You know, you have to worry about certain things. When you face John Jones, you have to worry about everything, including, you know, it's freaking John Jones. And it's a title fight. And it's a giant deal. And Suraghan, he shit the bed that night. He did not shit the bed tonight, you know. I'm not saying John Jones wins.

every time against gone that easily. But, you know, everything went perfect for John the night. Everything went horrible for Gone that night. And I just think we, I think, you know, God's trying to right the ship a little bit. And yeah, it's a great performance. Yeah. Has gone, has gone eliminated that kind of was, did he have a boring fighter label on him? Or is that gone?

Is that gone? A couple of fights. he had a he he he was like i think there were two fights in a row in the i mean it was like a combination thing it was two main events in the apex that went 25 minutes against jiresino and bolkov and he just outstruck them like they were 50 45s so they were dominant and he wasn't like crushing them it was just out striking so yeah yeah the jarzino fight the jarzini fight like 18 minutes of that fight was like against the fence yeah yeah with cyril just put pushing him against the fence and like landing knees to the legs and just

it was just an inside clinch battle with like it wasn't all that thrilling heavy weight in the small age. Dana is the one yeah yeah and Dana Dana like hammered home the kind of boring label to those fights because he wasn't very kind I felt Bisbing was trying to give gone that boring label in the first round view if you listen to the commentary

by the time the fight ended Bisbing was all like what a great performance but in the first round he was like I don't know if God's looking urgent in there I was like, what are you talking about, dude? It's like, he's beating the guy here. Yeah. He also basically, like, the, just the way he views Reese McKee as a competitor. He was made, he basically crowned Anglosa, like the next welterweight champion because he beat Reese McKee tonight.

Like, it was wild. It was insane. I mean, also he, he survived the last round against Reese McKee as well. Make sure you point that part out. And Reese McKee survived. the second round just so just a splattering from angeloza that was crazy Jose to your point you made sometime earlier this week I don't remember what time we were talking about it when you just get the name you know the Irish

zombie or what yeah that's how you know Korean zombies dope yeah when people are labeling giving you a zombie and your race love it yeah love it all right main event. Question for the crew. Jose will begin with you. Would Rose benefit from trying one camp elsewhere to freshen things up? It really seems she needs a new look and approach to get her to fire again. What does she have to lose, Jose?

I think she would need another head, like a different head coach maybe or just try one because like if she's not with Trevor Whitman anymore, maybe she just like, like everyone has their specific coaches for specific things but then you have the guy like the head coach that kind of puts everything together and that's like Greg Jackson did that at Winkle John like Jackson Winklejohn like Jackson did a lot of the striking and you had other guys doing jiu jitzy Martinez is down there doing a lot of wrestling stuff and then Greg Jackson was just like the mastermind maybe she just needs something like that Trevor Whitman seems to be very good at that but like you brought up in the when she fought in Phoenix against way lee I mean, not Waley Carla. It just seems like Pat Barry was the one steering the ship. And maybe that's not what she needs. Maybe she needs an unbiased person that can put it all together. Pat Barry is a very good striker.

I wouldn't rely on Pat Barry at all to tell me what to do in the wrestling or grappling department. So if she thinks she needs Pat Barry to be her striking coach, then that's great. Pat Barry's a very good kickboxer. But I think she just needs a mastermind that is the one driving the shit. ship when she sits down on that stool and there's someone that kneels in front of her telling what to do. Maybe she just needs a different voice that can like like Tony Ferguson when he fought Justin Gage, he didn't really seem to have a head coach. He had a bunch of specialists. And then when they threw Eddie Bravo as the guy to go in there in the final round, he's like, you should do an

iminari role. I'm like, probably not against Justin Gage. That's a very bad idea. Maybe she just needs a mastermind that's like running the ship. I don't know. I don't like. being the guy to tell fighters what to do with their career it just from the outside looking in she don't maybe don't get rid of pat bear if you're feeling comfortable as him as a coach but just get a different voice as the one putting the game plan together yeah i mean i'm sure you agree with the shed like going around and training with different people and getting different looks i'm sure doesn't hurt right yeah um look it's it's always very hard to say what any fighter needs because all fighters are different.

I largely think that most fighters would benefit from changing up their coaching structure every couple of years. Like just because you don't want to stagnate and this game moves so quickly and things move so rapidly even if you're with somebody like ATT or whatever, you're just, you're going to fall into routines and you get a lot of similar looks and the same stuff. And there are fighters like Max Holloway who can stick with one team, the whole, the whole career and it can be incredibly successful for them. But I have always thought that you should make more use of that and just get different eyeballs because I think Trevor Whitman's a terrific coach.

I know that he may not now, I don't know what to what extent he's now involved with her, but I think Trevor Whitman's as good a coach as there is in this sport. I think even if Rose was still working with Trevor Whitman every day, given her last two performances have gone a change of pace go you know go go go see what hafail cordero can teach you because Trevor Whitman's teaching you a different way to fight and maybe Cordero mold you a little more in his own image maybe you've become much more of a pressure fighter Rose has always been really good at kicking like maybe Cordero can can get her to be a little bit more proactive with that like go I mean ATT I always think

everyone should go to ATT it's the best gym in the world with the best coaching staff and the best everything but I mean any of it you know Henry Hoofton and company it whatever they're calling themselves now killcliffe i think every fighter should change it up every couple of years particularly if they fall on a hard streak like just all right it's no it's nothing bad about my previous coach but let's see if something new works for me because that's just how life works you stick at a job for 10 years and you want to change you want something different something to reinvigorate you rose seems to have gone about that by saying yeah i want a new challenge i want to go up to 125 that's way for

freaking harder would be like what if i just challenge myself by working with new people and seeing how this goes so i would say yes but you really have no idea until until she does it and then see if it works or doesn't yeah for sure i mean look at jang we lee goes to henri se hoodo's camp much different fighter uh it just continues to get better she was at syndicate she had like john wood in her corner for the amanda elamos fight and maybe the best performance of her career so obviously and she's going back and forth to all different plays places to Thailand and such. She's just, it works for some people, doesn't work for everybody.

So, but yeah, but I mean, if she wants to do that and just wants to expand her horizons, no one's saying like leave Colorado forever. You know what I mean? But like if you want to go get some looks here and there, go ahead. If there's something you want to work on, go find the best in the world and spend a couple weeks there and then go back home and do what you normally do. We're talking a lot about Rose. What do we learn from for Roe?

what did what did you what was your takeaway from manon's performance tonight did you learn anything new because i thought that that was kind of like since it's a bit of a trap fight for a minute for a pro even though it's a big name if she wins we're kind of like well rose wasn't good rose wasn't good at 25 rather than saying whoa man it looked amazing so i thought manon's takedown d was a big difference in the fight the way she stuffed rose three or four times pretty like pretty hard sprawls and just like may rose kind of pay for those takedowns i thought that changes the dynamic of the fight and with rose not having any of your wrestling maybe her hand was really limiting her grappling uh i thought that was a i thought to me that kind of um hurt the

confidence hurt the confidence of rose a lot in the fight so um what did y'all think with mannance tonight i gained a little bit of respect for um the takedown defense was less salient to me just because rose isn't like a great wrestler she's a functional one she took wayley down a bunch and can do it but uh the first one i saw was enough to be like oh that's never going to work for rose uh she simply does not have the physicality or to to do this with the technique barriers that exist within her at this point so uh i didn't take a lot from that but um but i guess i think that away when rose knew that wasn't there now i thought she oh she's she's kind of cooked i mean i wonder how rose like yeah yeah i have no idea the things

that I will say impressed me or that I certainly gained a little bit of appreciation. Furo has, I mean, for most of her career, she's largely styled on people. Not like styled on them, but like Chukagian, she just simply knew Chukagian couldn't hurt her and just threw a lot more than Chukagian did. And like that's just how that fight went. Rose, she couldn't really track Rose down that much. Rose was very out whenever, whenever Furrow would throw anything, Rose just immediately disengaged. And so it didn't let Furrow really keep like a super high work rate, but it was really steady.

And I thought she was doing some pretty good things in there. It was like, particularly with the right hook, like whenever Rose would commit to stepping in, Manal was really getting her right hook in. She was countering leg kicks. She didn't check a lot of them, which is an interesting thing. but as Rose started to go to Kixmore, you started to see Manon register that that is coming and here comes a left hand or a hook to keep pace.

So she was doing some things tactically, showing a little bit more to her game than she has previously, or at least from what I've seen. So that was good, but it wasn't like, oh, she's, she's leveling up. It's like, yeah, she's getting better. She is steadily improving. And that's good.

I still think she will really struggle with, certainly the top two women in this weight class and probably with lexa groso as well though that fight could be a lot more competitive what did you think ozay what did you take away most from manon oh me to myself um pretty much everything jett said also the ability to you know she had that massive gash on the side of her face and she kept fighting forward because i don't think any of you were on it because i think casey was i you might have been at a pro wrestling thing and then mike you were on vacation and Jed actually jade you were on it when we talked about um can't remember who was me you and eric on a post show when i was producing and i brought up the point that rose throws a lot of cheeky

head butts a lot oh yeah and no one ever that's veteran shit right there yeah like respect that's some henry sehudo game she throws a lot of them so once there was a clash of heads i was like well I saw that coming about a mile away and the fact that that thing was leaking bad. So like I said with zombie, the ability to fight through, to maintain your composure in the middle of pain

and blood is a big deal. So in terms of her skill set, didn't learn a whole lot just because Rose just seems like the smaller fighter, but the ability to fight through damage, like because Jed set kind of styled on a lot of her opponents. That was the biggest thing I learned. You know, have this big leaking thing on your forehead

and still be able to fight an incredibly high level. to me man in fioro is just like she's like she's like paul moleter out there like old school baseball fans can understand this i mean she's just he's just so solid man like she is just fine hitting singles and doubles and she's very good at it she'll just hit singles and doubles all day long and just boost that batting average up she might flirt with 400 if you need her hit a home run once in a while she'll come through if you're really really need her to, but she's happy hitting singles and doubles. She's a, she listens. And when she's effective with what she's doing, she doesn't veer from it at all. Like, when she knows

she's on to something, she just sticks with it. And Jed talked about the she can't even fight. She did it here. She felt Rose didn't feel like Rose could hurt her. She wasn't afraid of dealing with her on the feet. She wasn't afraid of Rose taking her down. I was actually kind of surprised that Manina would didn't shoot more takedowns. And then I think as the fight went on, man, it was like, I don't even need to try to take her down because I'm just winning all these striking exchanges. Like, Rose is moving around well, but she just couldn't even get to Manon really in this fight. Like the third round, she had a little more success. And she had moments sprinkled throughout. But I felt very confident it was two O heading into the third. And if you scored a

30, 27 man, man, and at the end, like, it wouldn't have shocked me. It was a clear mann and win. And then Rose just had a little more success in the third. But, yeah, Singles and doubles, man. Very effective in this fight. I, Casey, to your point, I think the thing I'm going to take away from this fight and that I would love to see if, like, she registered. I was also surprised, Mike, that Minnan didn't take, like, go for more takedowns, but I think that she just recognized that she didn't really need to in grappling with throws,

maybe brought in a different level of danger that was not, like, something she needed to. I would have loved to see her spend more time in the clinch because she beat the hell out of rows. when they were clenched up. Like every time they engaged in a clinch, Manon was, was beating her up. Like she landed a couple of really nice knees inside. And they didn't clinch for very long,

but I thought she could have gone to that a lot more. And maybe that's an area that she can be like really good in because she is so physical. And she had a lot of success, you know, tonight with that. The knees of the body were nasty in the clinch. Really, really mean shit.

Like real mean stuff from her in the clinch. Yep. Yeah. I learned, I guess, I mean, I was actually, I wasn't too high. I mean, I knew man it was a top 10 fighter at 25, but I wasn't like, I was still in the kind of defense, but I was impressed tonight by a performance. And Rose just, I hope she goes, I hope she goes back to 15. That's all. I don't care who she fights.

If she wants to work her way up, be a fringe, I don't know, I don't know. If she's okay if not being the best or working, I don't know. I just hope she goes back 15. I just don't think 25, just 25 doesn't look right for her. It just felt off. Wasn't, I don't know. I'll tell you, I'll tell you what my other takeaway was,

Jedd, and I'm curious to get your take on this and was, what if the UFC reversed things? What if they had done Manin versus Tyler Santos and they did Aaron Blanchfield versus Rosam. Um, Unis. Like how much differently would be looking at things right now?

Like, Jen, like if they did Aaron Blanchfield fought Rose W. Utis tonight, how would that have gone? Uh, and Blancher would have killed her. I said that coming.

Like before this fight happened. I was like, yeah, if she fights Rose, she would just kill her. And again, I think Rose nominee units might be the single most talented woman competing in mixed martial arts today. This is not me hating on Rose. This is me having a very clear understanding of the role of physicality plays in combat. And exactly how that fight would go would be pretty bad because Rose is not like the best defensive wrestler. And Aaron Blancher would just crush her. conversely

sign me up to just watch Tyler Santos and Manalfiro be hausses at each other and see just two rock solid people who are just there I don't know what that fight looks like and it's probably not the most fun fight ever but it's intriguing to me if nothing else

so that would have been a great switchup instead we got what we got and now there's a bit of I don't know what's going to happen my you know I'm going to guess that Aaron Blancheville gets the next title fight over manon off this but uh maybe not maybe manon now gets to fight for a title because she beat rose who's very small it's do we i hope the ufc does not book blancheville

versus minot manon i only think they booked that if they do uh a trilogy three if chifchenko wins if they do if chichchenko wins and they book a trilogy i think we are for sure getting that fight And I'm okay with that, even though I still think it's a little dumb. Okay, yeah, I just, because I think Vantra is going to have that title eventually. And then if she beats Feroe on the way to that title, then when she does have the title, like all the contenders, she's already kind of beat on the way up there. So just thinking about our future. So last comment, since I think we've got, we got an hour.

Where is it? The hair on this foursome could not be any different. That's very true. What hair, baby. What hair? Yeah, we should have, we should have reversed it. We should have put you in the second slot, Casey. Jose in the third and then Jed in the fourth.

Pokemon evolution. Yeah, from length, from length. But Jose, Jose's got the thickness factor. So we got to figure that part out. Maybe he goes forth. It's my brown pride, baby. We got good hair. Well done.

All right. I think we're good. Early day MMA. 7.21 p.m. I feel like I feel like you undersold Paul Molitor. I think Paul Moloter was a much better baseball player than Man of Faro is an MMA fighter. I it's just a comparison to his hitter. 10 guesses. I can't tell you who Paul Moliter. Paul Moliter. How to spell that man's name, whether he was righty or lefty. I can't tell you. Paul Moliter is one of, I want to say, four or five people in the history of baseball, which is more than a century old to have, I think,

3,000 hits, a 300 Kerr average, and 500 stolen bases. I think that's better than MNFRO is at MN. Look, you also have a World Series MVP. Yeah, but can I think, man, like, do I think Manon Fioro is going to pay like 27 seasons in the U.S. Dinger's? How many dingers did Paul? I think 300. Well, but over like 37 seasons.

Yeah. 10 a year. I mean, he had, like, modern. He had 10, he stole home. He stole home like a dozen times in his career. Look, Manon had to fight before. Look, Manon stole home when she fought Victoria Leonardo. So it's not like she's never had the chance.

All I'm saying is Paul Molitor is very good of baseball. And Manifero is good at M&A. Love y'all. Neither let you down. Good night, everybody. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.