MMA Fighting - UFC San Antonio Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Cory Sandhagen's Big Win, Controversial Judging

Episode Date: March 26, 2023

Cory Sandhagen looked sensational over 25 minutes to defeat Marlon Vera in the main event of UFC San Antonio. However, one judge scored the bout for Vera which left the MMA community scratching their heads — and that was not the first time during the event that happened. Following Sandhagen's big win, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, José Youngs, and E. Casey Leydon react to the performance, Sandhagen's callout of Merab Dvalishvili and why it was the correct use of his mic time, along with the weird scorecards for that fight, and others on the card. Additionally, they discuss Holly Holm's dominant decision win against Yana Santos and where it puts her at 135, the post-fight bonus winners, Nate Landwehr getting the job done in the cage and on the microphone, Manel Kape's reaction to his fight with Alex Perez getting cancelled, Donald Cerrone's UFC Hall of Fame announcement, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. The victory horns are sounding for Corey Sannhagen. Look sensational. Snaps the four-fight wind streak of Marlon Vera. Sanhagen looked incredible to pretty much everybody who watched that fight, with the exception of one judge. One judge was like, you know what? I wasn't that impressed.

I'm going to get the last three rounds to Marlindara. His name is Joel O'Heda. Seemed at worst of 4946 for Corey Sanhagen. One judge scored it that way. One judge scored it a complete sweep for Corey Sanhagen. And then Joel Hayda scores the fight 48, 47. from Marlon Vera, capping off a night of very strange scorecards and very strange events as we welcome you to the UFC San Antonio Post Fight Show. We are live here on the NBA Fighting YouTube channel. If you're watching

after the fact, you're listening after the fact, we appreciate you. I am Mike Heck and we have some things to discuss when it comes to the main event. But before we get into that, I need to apologize to America, to the world. because I made a boo-boo yesterday. I made a boo-boo yesterday on the preview show. And I said something that I probably shouldn't have said. I put too many positive vibes out there when it came to the people's co-main event, which was the flyway boat that was on the slate between Menel Kopp and Alex Perez.

I felt really strongly that both guys would make it into the octagon. I thought both guys' bad luck would cancel. each other out. And despite being warned over and over again by the great Jose Young's, don't do it. Don't do it. I knocked on wood. I created every superstition that I possibly could in favor of this fight happening. And then shortly before the main car is about to begin, the news comes out. Brennan Fitzgerald announces Alex Perez suffers a health issue of some kind and the fight is scrapped. Now, we do not know the extent of this health issue for Alex Perez, but if you check out his teammate Vince Morales on Twitter, he basically tweeted out,

it's not my place to say, but it was pretty bad. It seems pretty bad. And obviously, positive vibes go to Alex Perez. Hopefully he's doing all right. Hopefully he's okay. And hopefully it's something he can come back from. But people are very understanding of this. Minel Kopp was not understanding of this. He just unleashed absolute fire on social media in reaction to this. But I apologize. I apologize for the, for putting out too many good vibes.

Jose, do you? Yeah, you are sorry. On behalf of America and the world, do you accept my apology? Well, I'm more disappointed in the fact that, you know, as a Red Sox fan,

you are aware that jinxes and superstitions and just, you know, whatever being that you believe in just doesn't want us to succeed at times. And you know that. And then you said what you said. And the second you said it, you doomed us all. So I think from here on out, you need to take a one week break from, you know, making any sort of predictions. Sort of like a medical suspension that fighters get.

You are no longer allowed to, you know, make a prediction for the next pay-per-view because I don't want to lose any of those fights at all. So until UFC 287 is in the books, Mike can't make any predictions. It's been decreed by whatever deity that you believe in that shines down upon us. So it's on paper now. Written in blood. Well, there's the red Sox, there it is right there. It's sitting right next to me. Yep.

So listen, if I have to do the preview show for UFC 287 and just give the prediction stuff to everybody else, I'm happy to do that. If I have to serve this suspension, I will be glad to serve this suspension. So up again, apologies to America and the world. But Jose, the main event, it was the Corey Sanhagen show. I thought he looked sensational. Marlon Verra just really couldn't get going. I mean, first two rounds, usually Marlon doesn't do all that well anyways.

And then usually round three starts to pick it up a little bit. That's when the power shots start to land. But Corey just wasn't really having it. the movement was too much. Vera just couldn't get inside to land any big shots. And he looked fantastic tonight. He looked absolutely incredible. What did you think of his performance?

And this 25 minutes he put out there to cap off UFC San Antonio. Yeah, this was like halfway through the second round. It just felt like we were watching a mixed martial artist versus, and I use this term, I'm not saying Corey, isn't a fighter. But like, you remember when Anthony Smith was going to fight Magoeman Ankelaiov and he's like oh maga met enkeliaf has had 19 ms has had 19 mhmma competitions but he's never had a fight

I'm not saying that Corey Sanhagen's never had a fight but Marlon Barrett goes in there to just get in a fist fight and Corey Sanhagen goes in there to display his martial arts and I'm not saying that Marlon Verra is not a martial arts so I'm not saying Corey Sanhagen is not a fighter it's just their styles are just so so polar opposite in the fact that how they look to win. Like Corey Sainagan looks to fillet you while Marlon Vera looks to take a shotgun to your head.

It was fun to watch. I enjoyed it. I like both men. I like, I very much enjoy both of their styles of fighting. I think if they fought 10 times, Corey probably wins seven of the times because like I said, Marlon can kick you, can punch you, he can do all these kinds of things too. He was he was never not in the fight. It's just Corey was slightly one step ahead. He did not. He did not. allow Marlon to just set his feet and just implement his game plan. Corey seemed to have an answer for everything. When Marlon would block his head, Corey would rip those hooks to the body. When Marlon would, Orin Chito would try to push forward, Corey would threaten with a flying knee.

When Marlon would, you know, implement any sort of his try to do leg kicks or work the body, Corey would shove him into the fence and take him down or look for the takedown. in that threat of the takedown no matter who you're fighting whether you're fighting in Division I wrestler former Olympic gold medalist or just someone that is a kickboxer. If the threat of the of the takedown is there, you obviously

rethink your game plan. You can't just go in guns blazing because you might get taken down and punched an elbow from the top like we saw in round one. So perfect game plan from Corey Sanagan, perfect execution. I don't think either man made like I said in the preview show which person will make the first mistake. I don't think

either man made any mistakes. I just I think Corey's game plan was just one step ahead of Marlon. I thought it was a very high-level fight, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. It wasn't the fight of the year like everyone was expecting. I had it 50-45. Corey Sanhagen, I'm sure we'll talk about the scorecards later on, but I enjoyed it. And Corey Sanhagen has just proven he's at worst, one of the three best Bannam weights in the world. I will, I agree with everything you just say, except for one thing.

I do think there was a mistake made in the fight and it was made by Marlon Vera and it was made in the first round because there was a moment where like the first couple of minutes was pretty competitive. Like Corey was landing for sure. I thought Marlin's strategy early on was really interesting because he wasn't trying to match dynamic movement

with Corey Sanhagen, but he was trying to create a puzzle for Corey to solve. A lot of feints, a lot of leg kicks, those were landing. And then at one point, Corey turned on the aggression and he jumped up and he slightly lands a flying knee and the crowd goes crazy and Corey separates. And Marlon Vera looks at him, smiles, and then he goes to like clap.

And as soon as he claps, that's when Corey shoots in for the take down. And he spends the rest of the round on top, just landing big shot. So I think he played a little too much in that first round and it cost him. And then Corey just took all that momentum. but other than that, like, I mean, what else can you say about Corey Sannagga?

That was just a great performance. The scorecards are very strange. 5045 is very acceptable. 4946 was Chris Lee's scorecard. He gave Marlon Verra the third round. Don't hate that. I felt like that was Vera's best round of the fight, landed his best shots in that fight. Pretty competitive.

I thought Sanaghanag had landed more, but I think Cheeto probably when he landed, his shots counted a little bit more. But still, if you scored a 50, 45, but 48, 40s. for Vera is one of the worst scorecards ever. Like that is a top five horrible scorecard. I mean, is that even top five worst scorecards ever in Texas? I see. That's a great question.

That's pretty bad though. Like off the top of my head, I could maybe think of like two or three that were worse. If I dug deeper, I'm sure I could find more. But Joel Rojas, I think is his name. Maybe I could be wrong.

I'll pull it up just for greater context. But he gave the last three rounds to Barron, How can you do that? Like, how can you justify this in any way? Joel Hayden is his name. Gives the first two rounds to Sanhagen, three, four, and five to Marlon Vera. Like, that is not justifiable at all, is it? No, it's thank God or whatever day to you worship.

Thank God that the right winner, at least Corey got the win. Like, they got the right winner at the end. Like, two of the judges got it right, but man, like. some days like years from now and we're talking about the summer of 2023 and how crazy the band and weight division was and there'll be new fans that weren't watching m mmama in 2020 and they're like oh yeah but corey sandhagen and marlin fought to a split decision it says it on paper i'm like are you dumb did you do you remember that fight like that's what we're going to that's what it's going to be not all split decisions

or split decisions people yes uh Aaron brownstetter just tweeted out that according to MMA decisions, Joel Heda has handed in completed scorecards for just four UFC bouts in his career, which includes the Sanhagen versus Verify. It's a pretty not-bad experienced guy to be sitting caged side for a fight with such high stakes, a main event bout like that.

Texas had a bad weekend, man, between a lot of the cards on this event and obviously the referee from the Fury FC card who was a judge for multiple fights on this card, including the Andrea Lee Macy Barber fight. Right. It's not a, like, just not a good weekend for the Texas Commission judges and referees.

This hasn't been a good half a decade. This hasn't been a good half a decade for the Texas Commission. Like the second they announced they're going to Texas, I just expect shenanigans. This is the same commencement. that scored John Jones beat Dominic Gray, the same judge commission that scored Andrew Lee, lost to Lauren Murphy, like it happens. This happens all the time in Texas.

It's not the first and it won't be the last. That was, I remember when they fought, I think it was Oliver Chandler. That was like the first fight in Houston, like the middle of the pandemic when we still had to do testing and everything. And then we went back. And the big question of Media Day was, were you nervous to take a fight in Texas? and everyone was like, yeah, it was real weird. Yeah, and I don't remember him like being that terrible.

And the Austin card I didn't think it was that bad either. But yeah, this was not good. This was not great. This is not great. There are a lot of weird cards on this one. But Corey Sandhane gets it done. The right guy won. And then I loved his, I love the post fight interview.

I loved it. He said, I wouldn't dare call for a title shot over Marabda Walsh Willie. The guy's a killer. He's on fire. So I'll just fight him instead. like Litch's fight. And Marab, who was in attendance for the event, seemed more excited about the callout than Corey himself.

So I think this is kind of a no-brainer to make this fight at this point. It just seems this is the logical step for this division that is just kind of in a weird place right now with Al Jermaine Sterling. Being the champion fighting Henry Suhudo, Marado de Walsh, really, his friend and training partner, basically the next guy up besides Sean O'Malley. Just seems like the logical next step with O'Malley kind of being the guy in wait, right? I mean, I'm not going to say no to Marov, Corey Sanhagan.

I think that fight rules and the winner should obviously get a number one. Like that will be the number one contender, especially like if Corey Sanagan beats Mara who has looked like obviously unbeatable lately, then it's a no-brainer. But like I wish like Corey Sangha did an interview with our own Damon Maher. And he's like, why wouldn't the UFC want to make Sean O'Malley versus Corey Sanhagan? Like, well, yeah, that fight rules. So, like, either one would be great, but I feel like if I'm Corey Sanhagen, the more eyeballs. And again, Corey is like, it's not his thing.

Like, he even said it in the promo packages. Like, I'm not about telling people I'm good at fighting. I'm about showing people I'm good at fighting. If he wants to, like, the fighting against Sean O'Malley obviously brings more eyeballs to him. And Corey doesn't seem like a guy who really cares. I wouldn't say no to either. I'm very excited. I hope I pray to whatever day to you.

you do that Marab Sanhagan is a five round fight. I can't imagine they'll make it a co-main event, a three-round fight. But Corey Sand, I got real excited for Corey Sanchez, the possibility of Corey Sanhagan versus Sean O'Malley. Corey Sanhagan probably knows something we don't, which obviously Sean O'Malley is going to get the winner of Suhudo and Al Jermaine. But yeah, I love that. I mean, Marob Corey rules.

Bannonweight's great. It's awesome. And I'm just, I am just glad that unlike lightweight and welterweight, the top fighters in 135 are fighting the top fighters at 135. I love the callout. I really did because he could have gone the O'Malley route like he, like he told Damon and it made, it mean, it would have been a decent call,

probably not a- Either call-out would have made sense, I think. Yeah, but it just seems like Sean's next in line, he's gonna get the winner of this fight no matter what, the title fight and then him and Marab, because if Corey doesn't make that call out and Marab isn't all that excited, I think Corey kind of did Marab a favor, because then Marab is going to have to fight somebody else.

He might be fighting like an Umar and Marga Madov or somebody crazy like that. I would love that fight. I would love that fight too, but it just wouldn't seem really fair for Marab after that performance against Peter Yan to fight 10 spots back, essentially, against a killer like that. But Maraub would have taken it.

We have bonuses. We have bonuses. It's your typical run-of-the-mill bonus structure where we have a fight of the night and two performance bonuses. and this seems pretty clear and obvious. The C.J. Vergara, Daniel Lacerda, absolute Barnburner wins fight of the night. Daniel Paneda wins performance of the night.

And of course, Nate the Train, Landware, gets himself a bonus for what he deemed the sucker punch, rear naked choke submission victory over Austin Lingo. So there's are your bonuses. Congratulations to all four of those. gentlemen for getting the job done. Nicely done, gentlemen. That for Garra Lacerda fight was absolutely. The weird fight, bro.

It was so ridiculous. God, that was incredible. Incredible stuff. It seemed like the card got out to like such a just insane start. And then it just kind of mellowed out at points, especially at the beginning of the main card. As we go to the co-mate event, Holly Holmohm, just bullies and big sisters,

Yana Santos, over three rounds, 30, 27, 30, 27, and even a 3026 in there. She gets the job done. No call out. Just whoever the UFC wants to give her. Would you take a Holly Holmes performance? 41 years of age, just signing the new contract. That fight was not competitive at all.

No, like the big sister in Yana Santos is the right way to put it. She just did what she wanted to do with Yana in there. And you can obviously very clearly tell that Holly has been working on her wrestling and grappling because I think what did what did uh when I was doing Twitter reacts on the site for this I think Sadieke Youssef said it best just tackling grapple that was that was holly holly holmes game plan she got the w I don't know where she goes from here uh yana hadn't fought since what like 2021 2020 whatever was I know she had a baby she was like bringing life into the world uh I don't know where holly goes from here considering she's already beaten rquel penant

and twice since she's above her juliana pain is probably going to fight a man in newness So Holly's probably going to have to fight backwards. She lost to Calumviera. She obviously beat Irenae. Irene is probably fighting Raquel Pennington. So Holly's going to fight backwards. She got back into the wind column. She signed her new deal.

She's going to be a perennial co-main event slash main event fighter for the rest of her career. So, yeah, good performance from Holly. I don't think it's what anyone expected. But she showed a new wrinkle to her game that her future opponents will have to be worried about. Yeah. She's been wrestling really well. those last two wins. She was very wrestling heavy in those in those performances.

And I feel like in Casey put out, Casey put out a couple of just brilliant tweets in regards to that fight. One in particular, I know Misha Tate is getting ready to fight Myra Blano Silva in June. Yeah. I feel like if that fight is even competitive, whether Tate wins or not, I mean, I think you kind of have to book that rematch, right?

Like the clock's ticking. Misha? I don't think you have a lot of time, yeah. that first fight was great it was incredible the only reason that that fight isn't spoken about more is because the very next fight

Nate Diaz just kind of threw a wrench into the MMA world and the MMA world hasn't been the same sense but yeah that fight well I think will eventually happen Misha's obviously got a new fight the UFC's probably using Misha to build a new star or to build a new contender

and Buenos Silva who has looked great lately and then anytime you can get bantam weights that are pulling off stoppage wins the UFC's probably going to circle you and earmark you for a future contender. Again, I just don't know where Holly goes because I doubt Holly wants to sit. Obviously, Holly's not one of these fighters that wants to sit in wage. I mean, she had a layup in the rematch with Rhonda to make a bunch of money and pull in a million paperview buys, but she chose to stay active and fight Misha Tate instead,

and we never got the rematch between Rhonda and Holly. So if Holly continues to do what she does and wants to stay active, I literally have no idea for who she could fight. Like I know Paniccans ads out there. I can't imagine Macy's Jason's ever going to want to go back to Bannamweight. Carol Hose is out there. Julia Avila is coming back. But these are women that are like, what, ranked 10 to 15, 10 to 18.

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And it's just incredible He just, he was like very calculated to start this fight And then eventually like Austin did something to piss him off And he was like, all right, I'm done with this It just took him down, knocked his mouth piece out and choked him I remember he I was like watching this fight I'm like this seems like one of those fights where I can't remember who was Who he fought when Diego after the Diego Sanchez

Gilbert Melendez fight Remember that was one of like the craziest rounds at the end and it was like fight of the year and everything and then the next fight everyone kept talking about how like epic Diego Sanchez is and that was all the interviews like oh fight of the night fight of the night fight of the year coming up was it Miles jury he fought I can't remember but I remember it just was not yeah he just got it just was not the same time it just did not live up to the pre-fight build and all the interviews and I remember watching Nate fight like tonight and I was like this is I feel like Nate came came

in with a game plan like his coaches were like stop fighting like an idiot and then he's just like bump this and then just one he just went out there and run so like i feel like he stuck to the game plan for like around and he was like this is whack and then just like like you said just punched him in the face and choked him out like just do that if it's that easy nate just do that and then just get a microphone in your face and talk because it is glorious when he does that yeah what did he say like coming in victorious like the Alamo and I'm like bro Texas lost the Alamo like I know you got punched in the face a lot but let's get some history right he said he said a lot of great stuff what he was like look at his bicep I was like love it make that a show yeah there is there's a

great quote um I'm trying to find it real quick I should have been better prepared but uh let's see let me pull it up it shouldn't be too far down uh I got a highlight reel like evil caneval I got swagger like Elvis Presley and I'll be damned if I ain't handsome. Just A plus stuff right there with Nate Landware and Michael Bisbing. Macy Barber gets another win, Splitty over Andrea Lee. Yeah. A little bit contentious on social media.

A lot of people were very confident. Macy Barber on the first two rounds. And I did not feel. And I was expecting all sorts of chaos and mayhem when it came to the cards. But someone scored 32. Dan Burglietta. scored a 3027 for Macy Barber. I didn't see it that way.

I don't think it's like the most, it's not even close to the most egregious score of the night. How did you score that one? I don't remember at all. I remember the fight ended and I was like, I remember the third round ended and I thought, oh, one more round. Like it was one of those fights, you know, like the rounds just kind of blended together. I mean, it wasn't a terrible fight, but like both women.

for whatever reason, have the ability to just make their opponents just fight. I don't know, I don't know what, like, when Andrew Lee fought Lauren Murphy, when Macy Barber fought like Miranda Maverick, like their fights are, they're always close. They will forever be close fights because they're not fighting women that'll just melt them. And there's like this gap in the flyway division where there's like the top three or four fighters. And then there's this big gap where you could just interchange all of them ranking-wise. and skill-wise, and all of those fights will be razor-thin.

And that's one of these. You know how we joke? There's always this joke, like, this is the most middle-weighty of the middle-weights. This was the most fly-wates of the fly-wights. This is what that is. Just two fly-wates that are in a razor-thin close fight. All of the rounds blend together.

And we're like, well, that could be 30-27 Andrew Lee, or that could be 30-27-Macey-Barber, or it could even be a draw. I just don't know. Yeah, I remember the fight. ended up and be like, I don't think it was a robbery, but I'm sure that's a fight. People will disagree on and sure enough it was. Yeah, I don't think it was, it was definitely not a robbery.

If you scored it for Lee, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have been mad at you. If you scored it for Barber. I thought when I heard the 3027, I thought Andrew Lee won. I didn't think Macy won. Yeah, that's a good point. When I heard 3027, I thought, oh, they gave it to Andrea. And then when they said Mason, I'm like, that's a weird, weird scorecards, weird scorecards, people. But as I'm watching the fight, I'm realizing, this is really.

really good matchmaking for Macy Barber. Yeah, she, I'm sure she took a lot away from this fight, got booed out of the building, took a like a champ, didn't clap back, just had a nice little conversation with Bisbing, and we'll see where she goes from here. But she's on a role right now. I think the plan is don't rush her too quickly, just kind of one notch at a time up those rankings and continue to test her. I think they have something with her.

She's only 24, so she's only going to get better. She keeps evolving, keeps learning. So this is a very good test for her, a very good learning experience. Albert Dariah beats Chiti and Jokawani in the middleweightiest welterweight fight I've ever seen in my life. Another weird one where a lot of people were not pleased with the judge's cards. A lot of people got Chiti won that fight, but again, not a memorable matchup at the end of the day. Daniel Paneda submits Tucker Lutz, good little comeback win. Victor Alta Marano beats Vinisha Salvin.

That was a fight, a very weird fight. Michael Bisbyn's been called it a great fight. It was not a great fight. It was a entertaining fight. I'll say that. It was a fight. It was a very good fight to kick off an entire prelim card. Agreed.

Agreed. And then to follow it up with CJ Fargar and Daniel Ocerna is just, that fight was absolutely insane. Trevin Giles, you know, former middleweight fought like a middleweight against Preston Parsons. Another one. A lot of people that Preston Parsons won that. So that's another one that, uh, people. Is it like four or five split decisions on this card? There are a bunch.

Uh, that one was like legit, even on like, MMA decisions that was right down the middle, like half had it for Giles, half had it for Parsons. And then Lucas Alexander gets his first UFC win, I believe, against, uh, Stephen Ocho Peterson, who announced his retirement. And how I propose Jose that Mr. Ocho retires after his eighth UFC appearance. I mean, that is. just coincidence city right there. Fun fighter.

And he said he had no plans at all to retire. He was not walking in that octagon with any thought of retirement. But as that fight played out, he realized, I just don't have it anymore. And it's time for me to start coaching and go through with promoting events because that's something he wants to do as well. But would you think about Stephen Peterson announcing his retirement from the sport of mixed martial arts today? I mean, he was never. ever going to be a top 15, top 20 fighter,

but he was always in exciting fights. Like when it was either he was going to be in a back and forth war, he was going to pull off the wind, or he was going to get melted. Like he's just a, he's just a fun dude to watch. Very fun interview. I remember he was on the ultimate fighter and we interviewed him backstage.

I think that was back at the palms. I think that was the fight card. Izzy fought Brad Tavares, if I remember correctly, that was Izzy's coming out party. But yeah, I remember because I was again, I was like kind of doing Twitter reacts for this,

this fight card. And Michael Bisbing said something like, oh, Lucas Alexander looks like a future title contender. I'm like, does he? Or is Steven Peterson just being like, he just looks a step behind?

Like it just looks like Lucas Alexander was just better at overall, at everything than Stephen Peterson. And if this was anyone else that was fighting Stephen Peterson, I don't, anyone else but Stephen Peterson. I don't think Luke Alexander would have looked nearly as good. And then the second that fight ended, I'm like, man, I don't know if that might be it for Stephen Peterson in the UFC.

And then he announced his retirement. And he had a good post-fight speech where he's like, like you said, he wanted to go into coaching. And if you follow him on Instagram and social media, he's putting a lot of work with classes and stuff and promoting fights and doing all kinds of interviews. So he clearly at least has a plan moving forward for his career. But yeah, good on, good on Stephen Peterson.

Always enjoyed watching him fight and Loki has fought a lot of very talented people Like I'm he's lost like to Leandro he go back in the on like the the the regional days like Brandon Davis Benito Lopez Bruce Lee Roy violent Bob Ross Juliana Rosa pretty sure has a win over chase hooper So it's like he's fought in a lot of very not the best crop but like fighters that people know if that makes sense Yeah first win tough 27 Ali against New England's own Mapissette. That was his first win. Map set was on the wrong side of many, many splities.

And that was one of it. I think that was the last UFC appearance from Mapeset. I think he was done after that. He has to win over Chase Tupor. And before that, he had that gnarly spinning back fist knockout of Martine Bravo. In Mexico. In Mexico, I remember that. November or September of 2019.

But that Juliana Rosa fight was such a wild fight. And I just think that that took not his, well, maybe, like, I think Julian Rose kind of took his soul that night. Like, he just took whatever, whatever he had left. I think Julian just kind of took it from him in that one. Well, he missed, he missed weight before that fight, right? He had missed weight, like back to back fights. By three pounds, three pounds. Yeah.

And then before that was like four pounds. Yep. Three and a half. Yeah. He made it for this one. But hey. Yeah. People have like he was always a name that people knew like we're talking about Stephen Peterson right now

We've talked more about Stephen Peterson than we did the Macy Barber fight so people knew who he was Nice guy one of the the nice guys in the sport and We wish him the best with his future endeavors in the world of mixed martial arts just not competing himself at least in fist fighting So that is UFC San Antonio we ended up with 10 fights we touched on all of them Let's bring in the baddest dash in MMA, E. Casey Liden, who, in my opinion, had the tweet of the night, and I'm going to pull it up right now, because Holly Holm had a very interesting post-fight interview, and while other fighters try to get the mic back and say very emotional things to the crowd of what the win meant to them,

Holly Holm got back the mic and said something else. Casey tweets out, there's nothing more scary than an MMA fighter grabbing the mic after their post-fight interview and saying, quote, one more thing. And boy, that got a lot of play on social media, Casey. Well done. All right. I like Holly. Holly was at my wedding.

She was? Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, I love, I like Holly a lot. You know, Holly's Holly. There's a very funny tweet, though. Yeah. All right, let's hear from the peeps.

Let's hear of the peeps are reacting to UFC San Antonio. All right. Do you do. What's up with Alex Presses' fights always canceling? I don't know, man. I just, I honestly, I just hope he's okay. I just hope he's okay. Vince Morales's tweet read like this three hours ago.

Not my place to talk about what happened with Alex, scary stuff, but hopefully it eases everyone's minds that by the time the EMTs got there, he was together in speaking okay. So watch the slander. So it doesn't sound very good. It doesn't sound like,

uh, it doesn't sound like, uh, it doesn't sound like something pretty bad happened. But Menel Cop did not feel that way at all. Um, this was, I mean, just pure venom from Menal Cop.

I will read you his post. Unfortunately, my opponent just came to way, uh, just came to weighing in to pose and take a picture. Inside me, I felt that he would not have the courage to face me. Our energies were totally different.

knew that he did not want to be here. He did not want the same as I wanted, and there was notorious the fear that emanated from him. But I was surprised to see him getting on the bus, and I really thought we were going to fight, even after grabbing him by the neck and giving him some good slaps in the chest in the meeting room. We arrived at the arena, warmed up, turned on my hands, and only three fights left before our fight. He just gave up. Your DNA is an abomination. Unlike you, my DNA is from fearless warriors, coming from Queen Nijinga Mdade, My DNA is history. I kill by the sword and die by the sword inside the battlefield.

You coward. Cowards die several times before their death. That is Manel Cop's response to Alex Perez. Your DNA is an abomination is a line. Do you think he's angry? I think he's mad. I think he's mad. So Alex Perez was actually at the venue.

It didn't like happen in the morning. He was at. He was there. He was there. He was there. No details. I have reached out and tried to get some answers, but no one's saying. I hope Alex Perez is okay.

And, yeah, and it sucks for a cop. And I was really looking forward to that fight. I'm kind of, I'm just sad thinking about it. I don't know who you give him now. The loser of, well, if Brandon Royval loses to Mateus Nicolao, that's the fight. That's true. I guess the issue is, do you bring your mic real quick? I mean, I don't know how much to weight cut, the diet, you know, just cop's schedule in general with his coaches and everything.

Like, you know, everything messes up when you just, if I just crap, like hours before. So, yeah, it just, but a bummer. I mean, they're going to be back at the apex. I think the 22nd and the 29th cards are at the apex. And I know he's training out in Vegas right now. So maybe just throw him one of those two cards and yeah. Maybe get them. Yeah, like a 130 fight, so he doesn't cut, because that would be two big weight cuts.

I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see how it goes. Just a bummer. His tap, Alex Perez's tapology page is just so great. There's so much great, which is like, you know, when you have a canceled fight. Since the figgy fight, November of 2020, he's had one fight and nine cancellations, nine cancellations.

in the last two plus years, that's friggin' wild. Yeah. If this, if his illness is weight cut related, I would assume the UFC would force him to go to 35, but this reminds me of, this reminds me of the Ray Borg situations where it feels like every time he fought, it was like, you just didn't know.

You just didn't know. It's like, yeah, literally they're in the arena, you still don't know. So yeah, that sucks. All right. So I don't know. It's crazy. He's not like, and the difference between Ray Borg and Alex Perez is Ray Borg could go up to 135 and still kind of be, he would, because he was a thicker flyweight.

Alex Perez is not. He is like, his body is like, which is why I'm curious why he can't make 125 because he seems like a natural 125 or. It's not like he, is he that, he took that fight against Frigaredo. Like it wasn't like last, last, last minute. but he had, like, just fought. It's the matchat or the three ensemble Cado Cephora of the FACC that I just need to denichy, who energize so much,

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do you feel that Macy Barber is still a title contender in the women's flyweight division? Yep. She's a, yeah, she's on the road.

She's on the road. It's just a matter of, it's a matter of how they book her. They have to book her smart. They got to book her smart. There's no need to rush her right now. Trucking her in there like Aaron Blanchild right now would not be wise. Right. I'm going to say a big no, honestly.

I think Mason Barber is going to be in the UFC for a long time. I don't think she'll ever break top five. I feel bad saying that about fighters. but I just don't think she'll ever break top five. I don't think she ever made a true title contender. I thought she lost tonight. I thought she lost against... Maverick.

I thought she lost against Maverick. Where did I pull up M.A Decisions. M.M.A. Cisions, it was split 50-50 between the journalist. I scored at 3027 for Lee. A few other journalists did. And surprisingly, actually, 73% of the fans actually picked Lee. they scored it for Lee too so I was kind of shocked

but it was a close fight I'm not going to use the R word robbery but I did have it for Lee so I ended the fight thinking Lee I was like I think Andrew's going to win 2928 that's what I thought when I had 3rd to 27 I was like okay sure that was Lee absolutely

people on Twitter were like adamant oh Barber's definitely up two rounds because control time is just control time I'm like, what are you talking about? Like on the feet, they were pretty equal for most of that fight. And then Andrea got takedowns. And like, it's not like she did nothing.

But like if the action on the feet is almost 50-50, and Andrea gets a takedown two minutes of control time and advance this position and is in a more dominant spot, like, isn't that enough for her to win rounds? Like, I don't know. I just didn't understand the confidence of people being like, oh, yeah, she's definitely up two rounds to nothing. I was like, eh, don't really know about that.

But not a robbery. Close fight. Very close fight. I thought Lee won, but I don't know. It's not a robbery. The 3027 for Macy was kind of... Did you know Macy Barber has the second most knockout wins in Flyway history? Do you know how many she has?

Two? Two. The Jillian Robinson, what I remember. And the J.J. Was it J.J.? The J.J. J.J. Yeah. Didn't she get dropped to the?

that fight too. Didn't JJ drop her? Probably. Like win the first round? Yeah. And then Barbara just went ham on her in the second. I said so more than two? No, she has the, Macy has the second most. Oh, second most. Okay, got you got you got you. Yeah, like Lauren, like I'm pretty sure Val, I don't know how many Valentina

has, but I would imagine she has like the most. I just looked it up. She has four. Okay. It's a newer division. Newer division. It is. It is. Um, do we answer this? Uh, did this make Holly a contender?

Does Arina and Raquel get made for the interim title? If that fight happens. I think both are ahead of the, I think both are ahead of Holly right now. Yeah. Arena, for sure. Recall probably. But Raquel also fought Nunes and that was not competitive. Yeah.

But I don't know. I think Holly, if, As far as a rematch with Amanda, if Amanda is still champ, I think the Holly one's much more likely. I just think it'll sell better, and that's important for the UFC. It's also like, she's not getting younger. I hate saying that about fighters, but like I think it's like when they gave Benson the title shot against Umar,

it's like, did he deserve it or is this like his last shot? Yeah. Oh, Usman, Usman, Usman, Usman, Usman. Yeah. I mean, that was, it's attorney. So it was one versus eight. Sure. It was proper.

It was proper matchmaking. Just a little teaser real quick, since Jose mentioned Benson Henderson. A new episode of Dan, they were good, are going to be coming out next week on Benson Henderson. So stay tuned for that. He was very good at M&A. Yes. It was a fun episode. I actually had to be on the panel for that one, so it was fun.

This hasn't, maybe this is a little off topic. Now we're talking about Benson. Benson is a UFC Hall of Famer, right? He should be. He should be. I mean, because if Cowboy is, I know Cowboys is a fan favorite, but if Cowboy is, shouldn't Benson be because he was an actual champion? Yeah, I'm just saying, okay.

Yeah. Okay. It's wild that Benson. Benson has been most more of his career in Bellator than the UFC, which is wild to hang about. Yeah. Benson's 2009 to 2013 are absolutely ridiculous. Like until from the start of 2009 to when he lost the UFC title, Anthony Pettis, that run is absolutely insane.

Like it is nuts. Back to back fights in the year for M. May fighting with Soroni and then the pet is the showtime kick fight. Then he goes to the UFC, wins his first couple of fights, wins the belt, beats Frankie in the rematch, has another couple of like competitive title defenses.

I mean, he beat the hell. He beat up Nate Diaz to the point where Nate Diaz actually raised that man's hand after the fight. One was the last thing we've seen Nate Diaz raise a man's hand after after the fight goes to the cards. That guy was that four. year run was absolutely

incredible. Dude, even after that, like his, the fight against Brandon Thatch is a fight I don't think enough people talk about. Oh, that's like performances. Because Benson went up to, 170, yeah. He went up to 170. And if you, if and that's a star at the time, Brandon

Thatch was absolutely massive. He was the welterweight Alex Pereira where he's like, how the hell do you make 170? That dude's walking around like 200 pounds, kind of 170. be yeah he had like brenn thatch had like humzat buzz back then like not quite to that level but like if you're going to compare eras and times brenan thatch was like what homzat was he won a couple

fights like this dude's going to be a two division champion like that's what people thought of him because he was a good looking he was a good looking cat and he like he got a huge win like right out of the gate and then he took he missed a bunch of time and then came back and lost to benson and then never want to fight again. Never. That was it. End of his career. Wild.

But stay too for that. Yeah. We could go on a tangent. We could go on a tangent about Reds and Andrews for a while. Brandon, ruckus statch. Damn, they were all right.

Damn, they were close. Why call up Marab over sugar? He has to know something. Yeah, that's what I said. But we all know this. We all know that Sean O'Malley's next. He's the biggest star in the division. He's going to.

the next title shot. So you appreciated Corey not wasting it, even though. Yes. 100%. Yeah. I do appreciate that a lot. It's like when Balal called out, like you said, when Balal calls out Colby and for a title shot, I'm like, well, that's just not going to happen.

Like call out. Yeah. Call out Hamzot. No one's calling out Hamzot. Stuff like that. Like when Bilal Bifacente-Luke, it was a week after Hamzat, it was like a week or two after Hamzat fought Gilbert Burns. And you had been calling out Hamzot for a week.

weeks leading into that fight. And then when the mic is in your face, you call for Usman and you weren't getting in. Do you remember? I was right there. Do you remember what Bilal Muhammad was wearing at the UFC Hall of Fame? No, I don't. At the red carpet, me and you worked it. Bala Muhammad was walking on with a shirt with a fake fight poster for Balao versus Hanzah.

Oh, that's right. And I'm like, why didn't you say this on national television when you had a microphone in front of you? No, it wasn't even the Lukee fight. I forget who it was. The Luque fight is what he called out Colby. And I remember I tweeted out right before. I'm like, don't call it Usman or Colby all in on Hamzot.

And he called out Colby. And I was like, oh, dude, you can't do that. Now it makes, like, and then like even after the 280 went over Brady,

he almost whiffed it. And then he was like, all right, I'll call it the wolf. I hear the wolf sparking. I'll fight him and didn't call him up by name. But that's like what kind of has left Belal behind a little bit. but this past week is actually given Belal a little bit of a boost.

I think Colby's done him some favors. So, and he's done a good job picking up the ball and running with it. I really appreciated Corey going, okay, here comes the prize fighter doing the entertainment thing. You know, he was like,

all right, here I go. It was so funny. Well, I would never, I would never try to jump over Mara for the title fight. So I'll just fight him. I love that.

I love that idea. That's a that's a A's a ball out and I love it Corey is very much a realistic Like remember he was on the A side Casey back when we were doing The A side three times a week He is like such a realistic individual

With his career Like he's like well I might lose So like he's so realistic And I love it It's refreshing We yeah we did A side And it was when everyone was under Pretty strict quarantine at that time

And I think he said he was just him And his fiancee or girlfriend at the time Yeah he should she holds pads for me. Yeah. I was like, yeah, I was like,

Corey, how do you, like, what's the rules for the gym? He's like, oh, my girlfriend holds pads for me. She doesn't really like

when I throw head kicks. And I was like, yeah, I can imagine. He's such an interesting guy. I love, he's such an, I love the,

like, normally the pre-fight packages for these fight night cards are just kind of blah, because it's always like a fake beef that doesn't really matter or make any sense. But in this,

in this case, There was no real rivalry outside of a competitive rivalry. And you get to kind of see the stories of both guys just coming from the beginnings, where their sort of humbleness comes from. I dug it. I dug it. Like Corey talking about his dad and his parents, like how he gets certain traits from each of his parents. And obviously, Cheeto stories, bananas, getting to where he's at.

So I loved the pre-fight packages for this card. It was good stuff. And Corey changed his walkout song. He normally walks out to Give Me the Lute by Biggie. which is an amazing song, but he walked out to, I think, a Ring of Fire by the late Johnny Cash, which is, oh, I heard a.

Yeah, I'm not a big Johnny Cash fan, or going to Ring a Fire too on the nose? I'm not a big Ring of Fire fan. Okay, fair enough, fair enough. No one. Okay. I got literally, I have nothing against this singer Johnny Cash. I don't know enough about his personal life

to form a judgment, but not a fan of that specific song. All right. Well, I think it's got the Spanish horns. I think it worked well in San Antonio. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I get why he walked out to it. Do you?

You mentioned Soroni getting in the Hall of Fame, Casey. Would you think about that? It seemed, I mean, obviously he was going to get in. I just wasn't sure if he was going to get in, like, the next year. I'm with Aero. I don't hate it all. I don't hate it. I don't have a lot of this.

It needs to give it some time. Five years. Give us some time. I think you need five years. It's like in other pro sports, you have to be retired for five years, unless there's some circumstance like Roberto Clementi, where you get in the next year. Yeah, because we're going to, they're going to,

I feel like it's not the straight, the same comparison, but I feel like it's a contender series where like, where Dana just brings, signs everyone. I think they just put everyone in the Hall of Fame. So like,

I feel like in five years, they're going to run out of fighters to put in the Hall of Fame. You know, so like, who's going in this year? Anderson. Anderson, uh,

Jen's Polver and Cowboys. it right now and Aldo. And Aldo and Soroni. It's good class. Yeah, it's good class. Yeah, I just think that's too. I think you, you know, Soroni next year and whatever.

That's, of course, Cerrone should be in it. Just not give it some time. That's all. Oh, I was going to ask. Well, actually, I was going to ask, there was a question for it. That was a cool last moment.

That was a cool last moment as you look for the question with Seroni, like getting emotional. And then it wasn't. The moment was nice. It's walked up to him. And he was like, oh, Dan, they're here. I didn't know that. And have you watched his, so when you make the Hall of Fame, unless you're Anderson

Silver because you're not in the building that you go do a scrum backstage. I think even when did Bruce Buffer get in the Hall of Fame because he did a random scrum at one point. But essentially, if you get in the Hall of Fame, you go do a media scrum backstage. Like DC did it in Phoenix when they announced it. And Habib had won. And Josie Alde did one in Brazil. Brazil. Oscar Wilson of the Mac life goes, oh, how's retirement treating it?

He's like, well, I got hair plugs and I'm on a bunch of steroids. Like, that's his answer. That was his answer. Hair plugs and steroids. Wow. I didn't put it. I didn't put in the slack as I was doing something. I was like, I was like, Cerrone looks like he's 215 pounds right now.

Yeah. He literally said it on camera. So it's out. It's probably just like H. H.G.H. or something like that. Yeah. But I'll like, well, fair play to you.

Seroni. He's a, he's a. Yeah. He's an actor now, so he needs to get buff. Yeah, got to get buff. When Sharney was in his prime, his, his, his switch kick, his switch head king especially. It's so beautiful. So quick.

I was like, I just, just one of the greatest switch kicks I've seen in MMA. He was so good at kicking people in the head. Yeah. He just had this. It's incredible. Oh, yeah. And the Matt Brown finish. Yeah.

Yeah. He had the same. and obviously they came from the same era of that gym. Like, Cowboy and Condit, I feel like just the era of fighters just caught up to them where they were so violent with their striking. And their best defense or grappling was they were so good off of their back that you would just be afraid to take them down. And then everyone just sort of figured it out.

And then they just, you know, just time passed them by. Their bodies just couldn't handle it anymore. But, yeah, I was, so. I was actually filming stuff at the gym, at the BMF ranch, before the BMF belt became a thing, was the BMF ranch. Right when Paul Felter was visiting there, and he lived in Cowboys kind of dorms. They were probably like maybe, I don't know, about 10 fighters or so, and Paul Felter was one of them. And yeah, I remember I met Paul Feltter there, and he asked me to shoot some footage of him, you know, hitting pads and stuff. And I was like, wow, this guy looks really good.

and that's all I thought I was like okay well because there were a bunch of tough guys there but and I was like this guy like he hits patch really hard and he's got an incredible gas tank and yeah and so when Paul Felder when he said that little thing afterward about talking about cowboy

all that's 100% true that's no BS I was there that's all Paul Felder when he was just a regional fighter on the east coast and I don't know how we got to Cowboys Ranch but I was I just Luckily, I was there for those, like, week when kind of all that happened. He got signed by the UFC.

So congratulations. It's wild that his last one was ally I came to. Yeah, it is pretty wild. That is pretty wild. If you're a newer fan, and I know he mentioned this name earlier, if you want to go back and watch just like a classic cowboy fight, go watch Cowboy Benson Henderson won. Holy smokes, dude.

That fight ages tremendously. It holds up. It holds up, my friends. It's the M.A. Fighting's Fight of the Year in 2009. Yeah, he was also in a lot of fights that, like, his fight against Robbie Lolle was terrible.

And it was terrible. And when they announced that fight, I'm like, oh, this is guaranteed fight of the night. And then it happened. I was like, I don't, that fight sucked. Same as the,

the, well, some of them were just quick. Like, Robbie's size was, I think, then Robbie kind of take, yeah, Robbie just,

it turns out, Robbie is like a big waltrowweight and then Cowboy was a small waterway and it kind of it showed that night. Yeah. Yes. And, uh, um, hmm.

That was a weird card. That was a very tense fight. We were just like waiting for something to happen and it just never really did. Yeah. Um, let me see. Any more questions? Oh.

Uh, what do you think about this? Uh, why let Marab knock off contenders if you won't fight the champ? It's so silly. because I mean there's a shelf life on this it looks like but what do you think Jose why why put this is an interesting question why why have Marab fight Corey specifically I think is probably what they're kind of allude into in this one well Al Jardman already beat Corey Sanhagan and if

Al Jain's talking about going up to featherway I don't think a fighter that he submitted in the first round or rematch with that it would be enough to keep him from going back up and I can't imagine there's a world where Henry Suhudo fights Corey Sanhagen. If Henry Sehuto fights Corey Sanhagen, then it'll be on the same card as John Jones versus Sergei Pavlovich, because neither of those fights will happen

regardless of whether they deserve to happen or not. So do you get what I'm saying, though? Like, they're both like Corey and Pavlovich and Curtis Blades are just such good fighters, but there's just, it's not going to be enough to keep John Jones and Steve A from sticking around. They don't bring this out of you cells in.

If John Jones, like Sergey Pavlovich just will, it's just murking fools, left and right. like John but even steepe like say steepe beats john jones and then they rematch like i don't think stepe or john's sticking around to fight sergey palovich i don't think core i and sanderson pseudo has made a note he wants to go up for fourth belt to become four c like the guys that will keep him down at 135 are or c4 whatever he calls him is alderman because he has the belt and sean o'malley because he will draw a lot of eyeballs like a fight with marab and a fight with cori Sanhagan are the worst case scenario for a UFC fighter in that they are of those names Marab and

Corey Sanhagan are probably the most dangerous and they drum up the least amount of interest if that makes sense. We all know what's going to happen with Suhudo. If he beats Aljo he's going to fight Sean O'Malley and then he's just not fighting anybody unless it's Volcanovsky. That's it. Pretty much. That's it.

But hey, the UFC knows this. States, this is the, um... And in the meantime, we're just going to get fun fights with Corey Sanhagen versus fill in the blank because he is a very fun martial artist to watch. Also, I remember on the A side because we were like, one of some of the questions, we would recycle a lot of the questions just to like kill time like, oh, who's your favorite fighter to watch in quarantine? And do you remember Corey Sanhagen's answer, Casey?

I know, I don't. I know. He goes, myself, I'm my favorite fighter. He goes, I just like to watch highlights of myself because I'm the most exciting fighter. I'm like, Corey's saying again, you're the man. But he says it so, like, you gave it way more emotion. I remember than he did. I know.

Yeah, he just like, he's like, so like flat. He's just like, oh, Corey, who do you like to watch? Like, who are some of your favorite fighters? Myself, I just watch highlights on myself. I'm just in a really exciting fighter. I love it. I love it. It's like, what's Freddie Merck?

It's like when someone has Freddie Mercury, you're like, oh, what songs do you sing in the shower? He's like, Queens. because we have the best songs. Did he answer the, did he answer the ice cream question? I don't remember. I don't remember. But I also asked him,

this was, this is like peak, this was peak crystal talk, and I asked Coriato, do you believe in crystals? And he answered it so seriously. He's like, well,

you know, I can believe in, you know, metaphysical stuff in the outer space. It's not really for me, but like if other people get stuff out of it and they just feel like

it empowers them to just fulfill their dreams and move on forward in life, then by all means, just keep on going for them. I'm like, God, damn it, Corey Seda. You were just like the most well-spoken man I've ever spoken with. I'm all like, they're cool. They're shiny. They're shiny. And he's like, well, you know, the manifest destiny of the world.

Like, it just draws energy. And if that's what you believe, I'm just like, neat. I also on Fight Island. So I have a Wu-Tang shirt, but it says Wu-Tang in, in, you know, I believe Japanese. I don't quote me. I have no idea. But it says Wu Tang in like some Asian writing.

And it was the day of official Wayans where we had state COVID tests. So the fighters and us had to take COVID tests like in adjacent rooms. And I walked past Corey Sanhagen who looked like absolute death cutting weight to fight. I believe it was to fight Mal and Marais. And he walked up, he like slowly. walked up to me, which I think is about as fast as he can move at that time, because he was literally, he was weighing in in like 20 minutes. And he just started talking about Wu-Tang Clan while his face was sucked out and there

was no moisture on his lips. It was, I felt, I'm like, Corey, you need to sit down. And he's like, no, this song is better. I'm like, Corey, go make weight. And then we can talk about this. The best. What a professional athlete. I remember, like, I could talk about like how funny Corey said.

Remember when he fought yawn. And then I think it was like DC or someone was like, Corey, do you think you did enough to win that fight when it was all set and done? He's like, no, he won. He's so funny.

I love, I wish warfighters were like Corey's saying. And just like not a, not like an asshole confident, but just like confident. Like I'm the most, like the promo package you were talking about Mike, when he's,

when his dad didn't understand like MMA, he's like, dad, I'm just really good at this. And his dad's like, all right. it's not an exact comparison but corey does remind me of a bantan wake version of carlos condit a bit kind of oh yeah for sure you know what i mean yeah that's a great comparison yeah i was trying

why do i love cori sanagan i was like oh because i love carlos cond's contact yeah like when uh for for condit's last fight was what was his last fight trevin giles was that his last fight who did he fight who's court condit's last fight no condit's last fight no No, because he beat Courtney again, fight iron then. Max Griffin? Max Griffin. I've been Max Griffin. Yeah, I always get Max Griffin and Trevor Miles mixed up.

But I remember Carlos signed his, signs the bout agreement when he got to Vegas that week. Like he had it. He went through training the camp, cut weight and went to fight week without signing the actual contract. And I go, is that normal? He's like, yeah. I do that. time. But to everyone else in the world, that was like, how could you go through a camp without a fight contract? He's like, I just do.

I miss Carl's Condit. Those are the best. Rumble at the Rock, never die. Yes. Yes. Oh, man. That's another great rabbit hole to go down. If you want to go back and watch fun fun. Greatest, greatest tournament ever put together. If you go look at that, the little people in that tournament. I had like Jake Shields, Anderson, Yusha know comedy, they were all in it.

I forget there was BJ Penn fought a couple of times for them. And I forget what fight. It wasn't the Gomi fight, but it was a different fight you fought for Rumble the Rock. And this is the most Hawaiian thing ever. So they're fighting. And this is on the DVD. They're fighting.

A fight breaks out in the crowd. The cameras go to the fight in the crowd. And so there's a good 15, 30 seconds where you don't see any action in the cage. all the cameras are going to the fight in the crowd. It's awesome. Oh, man, yeah. To answer this person's question because he's asked it about eight times,

is O'Malley doing the Colby move? We should answer that because I've seen this thing fly past us like seven or eight times. Friend Brandon QFG. Is he doing the Colby move? It says, is O'Malley doing the Colby move and waiting for a title shot? Should he fight Cheeto next? juice he loves to match him up like he's asked this and I think we should answer it

will you just wait is that well I mean I don't know if it's the Colby move like the Colby move like Colby just left and surprisingly came back and O'Malley after beating Jan was clearly in everybody's minds getting a title shot it was just a matter of when and if Aljo had just we're speaking of fumbling bags and not doing callouts correctly,

if Aljo just went right in on Sean O'Malley after he beat T.J. Delishaw, when the mic was in front of him, instead of calling out everybody, including O'Malley, Sohudo, Cheeto, others that he said, he's probably fighting Sean O'Malley at UFC 288. We didn't do that. And then he realized the mistake he made. And on his podcast and doing other interviews,

he started calling out Sean and turning his attention to Sean's the biggest draw in the division, which he's not wrong about. And at that point, it was already too late. And the wheels are already in motion for So Houdo. So Sean's next. He's getting the winner of that fight. Like, and if something happens with one of these two guys and they can't make it to New Jersey, guess you're stepping in?

It's probably going to be Sean O'Malley. I don't know. Sean O'Malley takes a long, it takes a long time for him to make 135. You think it's a little service when he says he's ready to go? Maybe. be I think he's trying like it's I've saw an O'Malley cuts a ton of weight to make 135 so I think he would be a fighter that would ask for like a full camp if that like you know maybe because like it's like RDA wouldn't I can't imagine RDA would want to take a short notice

155 fight at the time just he because like he said he needs a lot of time like 155 I think that would be the only thing preventing the last unless he's in camp right now that's what I'm thinking like maybe he's pulling a sand maybe he's pulling a sandhagen right now we're like yeah when Sanhagen stepped in to put on Yeah, that's a good point. Like you knew. And look, that's a risky, like, that's a fight with Sohudo. And there's a lot of people who feel like,

I'm not going to believe Sehudo's back until he actually steps in the cage. So maybe Sean's just like getting ready. Maybe the UFC has told him, like, maybe this isn't signed, sealed, and delivered yet, like, stay ready. And if we need you, we're going to tag your ass in. So I don't know. And I saw someone say it's the Steepay move. I think the difference being Stepe Colby and O'Malley is Sean O'Malley,

is Sean O'Malley was, like, active and beat Peter Yon. Like beating at the time was a lot of people considered Peter Yon, like one of the, like an uncrowned champ. This would be like if Stipei knocked out, like beat Curtis Blades. Like, like Stipe lost to Francis and then hasn't fought. Colby lost to his men and hasn't fought. Like Sean O'Malley has beat the guy that he, like Mike said, he should already have the title fight. It should be O'Malley right now. And when he beat Yon, whether you believe he won or not, like I thought it was a no-brainer.

he got style shot i thought he deserved it yeah he beat the number one rank guy so if rankings are to mean anything and even if we are to take dana white at his word dana said leading into that fight the winner of that fight is getting a title fight so we know how dana is with his word in fact um apparently he spoke with uh he did the presser and said that colby getting a title shot as a no brainer and even went as far as to say that if usman won they would have done colby usman three apparently so this is this is not o'malley doing the colby move o'malley was already there he's just going to keep his spot and he's the biggest star in the division so why would he fight anybody else right now when he's pretty much guaranteed the next fight unrelated because we're getting more

questions down i see someone else is i'm not ask you guys this because i already know the answer is cowboy the first hall of famer to not win a ufc belt oh the answer is very obvious the second I read this, I knew the answer. No, he can't be. He's not, but can you think of the other one? Almost all of them. Almost like, obviously, like the shamrocks and the and the Chevrons won, like, the tournaments and the superfight stuff.

And like, like, Hoyst Gracie technically never had a belt, but like he was a champion. And there's been a lot of interim champions, but there is a very obvious one that's already in there. Man, very obvious. Brock didn't go in. Oh, no, Rock was champion. No. I'm not talking about fights.

I'm talking about individual. Yeah, yeah, the individual ones. Yeah, fights, yeah, there's a lot of non-champions in. Why am I missing? I know there's an obvious one. Oh, Sakharaba? No, he won the, that's what, I'm not counting tournament, like, because he won the U.S.C. Japan, heavyweight.

The answer is U.S. in favor, who famously never won a UFC title. Ah, that's right. That's right. I get that, but I think it's more of a technicality, by you're right you're right technically yeah he did not win a title he was the wEC featherway champ yeah he was when there when there was no ufc featherweight championship so i think in my mind i kind of no carry it over but i understand yeah all right so so i guess cowboy would kind of be the first

non-zof no was he was he wc champion no he was never a zupa champion wow so okay this yeah he would be the he would be the yeah yeah No Zufu. Yeah, when he fought Benson the first time is for the interim title because Jamie Varner was hurt and then Benson beat Jamie Varner to unify the belts.

Yeah. What a time that was. Holy shit. Because there have been like, I guess obviously like Big Knock was an interim heavyweight champion. And like Don Frye was like a bunch, had a bunch of tournament wins.

But I think Cowboy is the first one that's like no WEC, UFC, UFC Zufa. He was never on a poster of a belt on him. He never had that shot, yeah. No, correct. Because even like Marie Smith was a heavyweight champion, people forget that. Like Matt Serra was a welterweight champion. Kevin Randleman was a heavyweight champion.

Rich Franco was a middleweight champion. Jenz Polver was a lightweight champion. But, yeah, like Rashad, Bisbing, Habib, GSP, like all these cats. They're all like champions. But Faber and Cowboy, only non-USC champions. Who's the next? Who will be the next? Who will be the next non-champian to make the Hall of Fame?

Jorge Mazadol. Ooh. What about Overeem? Hmm. That's a good one. Actually, I was going to say Jim Miller. Oh, that's a good shout. But that means Jim Miller would have to retire soon.

Yeah, which is it. Which is not going to happen. Jim might be a Hall of Famer and still fight. Yeah. Like he might be that guy. Jim Miller. Your eye favorite. your eye favor fought as a Hall of Famer

is that the on-fighter would be the first Hall of Famer who never actually even fought for a title he never even got a title fight yeah yeah because overreem cowboy they lost titles but they had the title shot though I think yeah

I think Miller that is a good that's a good shout because Jim Miller could go in the Hall of Fame tomorrow and no one would bat an eye he should be in this class I mean you should be in all of them Jim Miller

he's put him every year they should rename they should rename the wing they should rename the post-fight bonuses the jim miller bonuses i love it absolutely love that all right do you think will be the next contributor to go in next contributor to go in yeah like you know like charles mask and art davy mark ratner like those guys i thought a no-brainer like it's not going to happen anytime sometimes obviously anytime anymore but i thought at some point john mccarthy would have gone in just because he like helped write the rules but now that he's with bellatory

it's not going to go in. I think maybe something like Goldberg. Maybe Goldberg should definitely get it. Rogan and Goldberg, they should go in together. Yeah, I think that would be kind of cool. That would be cool if they went in together. Yeah, I mean, I'm not the biggest fan of Goldberg, but I can't deny his significance he had on the sport.

Yeah, so I'm not going to take that. I would never take that away from him for sure. Dana, oddly enough, who's the guy that founded the underground? Dana loves that guy. I forget his name. But he, Dana loves that guy. I feel like he would induct him just because that really was the first forum on the internet. Yeah, it would for sure.

Yeah. That was the only forum for a while. And then next year, Jeff Sherdog gets in. Jeff Sherwood. Oh, God. They put Jeff Sherwood and Greg Savage in together. Before Frank Shamrock. Oh, my God.

Who do you think, last question before, I know he keeps trying to wrap this up. Who do you think will be the next female fighter in the halls? fame. So right now there's only one, right? It'll probably be Yawanna. Oh yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. She's actually retired. But she retired? She's retired, right? She's retired. Okay. I feel like, I feel like, I feel like the door's not completely shut, but, uh, Misha will go in. It's unlocked. Ollie will go in. Probably will definitely go in. Do you think Yawanna goes in as an individual, or they induct Yawanna Whaley? Do both? Both. Both? Both. Both. Yeah. Does anyone have two or Forrest, obviously?

Like Forrest is the fight. Or Matt Hughes, obviously. Well, I mean, there's a bunch. Matt Hughes. Yeah, he's like, Mark Coleman. Yeah. Freaking Cubsons and Dohoi's in it. I'm so happy that sounds like.

Yeah. Do you think Diego will get in? As an individual? I think Diego burned a lot of bridges maybe, but he should be in. Is Clay Guida making it? Interesting. Individual? Clay Guida, I think Cleekuita will go in it.

She better. That dude. No, Clay Guida's already in the Hall of Fame. He's in as a fight. Yeah, yeah. As a fight with Diego, but like, the individual award. Unless they do a strike force wing. They do a strike force wing.

They can't do it without Clayton. He's the first one. First one. Champion. He's the champ. Yeah. What's the fight that goes in this year, you think? Oh, they haven't announced that yet.

Ooh. They have not announced that yet. Is there a time span that? What's, is it five years for those? Or like, I don't. They don't really have one. Geez, like they want to do Ho Choa was 2016. Oh, that's a good call.

What, the fight of the Condit Lawler? They won't go in this year. Ooh, that's a good one. Or Lawler McDonald. Since Roy's retired. That might make sense too, yeah. I think the Konda fights better, though. It is better.

Wait, is Konda Hall of Fame. I think he is. because Dana really Dana actually really likes Carl's content because even when Carlos was kind of on a slide his contract came up and I asked Dana at the presser I'm like Hey Carlos his contract is up and then he

Dana's like is it oh we'll get him resigned Like he did you know how more nobody's a goal We gotta like get he was immediately like Oh we'll re-send up and he did I think of oh Yuri Glover would be a good one Honestly Might be too soon for that one I think he's too soon

Glover probably getting the Hall of Fame next year By like it's an individual he won't get him this year but next is he gaslam will eventually go in yep but i think con did um condid um conda law is a great pick i think they would do con there's enough time now for that one cond i mean cori and ravi will probably go in first because that card was massive and i think more people talk about that fight you know because it was on 189 and that's like the greatest main event main card ever yeah do you think uh Connor Nate one and two

Connor Nate two will Conor Nate two will go on for sure For sure That's a I feel Connor I feel both of them could go And they might bring them together As like one award Because I kind of combine all those

All those rounds A new rivalry wing How about that? DC and Jones can go up together And accept an award together Is that the biggest rivalry In USCS3 D.C. Jones? I think it's

I think it is. Ranking-wise and- because they were Yeah. Yeah. Connor and Nate, yes. Yeah,

Connor Nate probably money-making is. That was a beef. That was a beef. Like this was like, it started off competitive and then they, it's still simmers. Yeah. It's still simmers.

Like obviously Tito and Chuck is up there and like, Randy Cotor and Chuck is up there. Tito and Shamrock, obviously Tito and Shamrock. But like I think Jones and D.C. Yeah, Dana versus a lot of people But I think DC Jones is the best ever It drew eyeballs

Most hated, yeah Both times they fought It was there, I think The first time for sure They were like, you know how this whole number one versus number two pound for pound was Islam? Like they didn't have the rings at the time But Jones DC was one versus two

I think we can all agree with that And then even the second fight I would Even the second fight I would probably put them one and two Like competitively it had That checked all boxes for like a great rivalry. The second fight was clearly, yeah, the second fight was definitely they were one and two at the time. And the first fight, DC hadn't even lost yet. It's wild.

Yeah. I think I think you're right. As far as like what rivalry actually means in like combat, it's DC Jones. I think. But I think the more the more fascinating rivalry is Connor. Oh. Connor and Nate shifted the entire sport. Yeah.

just what they did kind of what they did for one another like without like beefing but still like understanding what was best for their own personal brands and like not taking other fights and waiting for the right thing to happen to get those two back in the cage together like just brilliant shit like those are two excellent 30 for 30s Jones DC and then just a fascinating look behind

the Diaz McGregor rivalry God 2016 was the best what a year I think, I think, how Wani talks about that being the greatest year ever in, it is. From January to just, from January to December. Lut really has never been, there's not a better time to be an MMA fan. And that was Cardi,

Waller, right? Conant-Lawler, it started up. It started up. It started up. It started off. Was that Amanda and Rhonda? Yep. That was the end of the year.

Yeah. That was the end of the year. You had, you had freaking Anderson, Bisbing in February. you had Nate Diaz versus Connor in March Like that like I don't even remember what was the what you had John Jones OSP in March in April you had Woodley and whoever like knocked out robin wall uci 201 you had steep knockout for dude in May June was uh you 190 that was busy being rockhold and the most violent main card I've ever seen

201 obviously was was Woodley uh knocking out Lollad 202 is obviously Connor and Nate, 203 and 204 getting muddled, but you had like Stipei versus Overim and the CM Punk News. And then you also had Bisbing and Dan Henderson and then Belfort versus MSG. MSG obviously 205. And then 206 was, 206 was the Toronto one. That was a weird one. But that was Pettus and Holloway for the interim cycle.

But that card had Dooh-Choi versus Cubs Swanson. And then 207 was Rhonda, Amanda and Cody Garbrandt through a perfect game against Dominant-Cruz. That was just a banana. That was just a... Was 206 map around Soroni, too? Was that on that card too? Maybe. Maybe.

Yeah, I think it was. That was, uh, that was in Toronto. That was the most bananas here ever. It was still a good one. It was still like a good watch. That's when they had to make up a belt. It was a huge. They had to make up a belt for that because they didn't have any.

The interim, interim interim, interim, other way title. Because 205 happens and used three champions. And then they also had Demetreus Johnson fight Tim Elliott on a tough finale. And the co-main event was Henry Suhudo Joe B that same month. So they used all of their champions in like a one month span. And then Rhonda, both Bannonweight belts were at the end of the year. So they used like seven championship fights in one month. That was such a crazy time to be a fight fan.

Jesus, 205 was 2.05 or something. I was at all those freaking events too. So was that. Crazy, yeah. The only way did they go to was the Brazil and the 206. What was the Brazil? That was Steepa and Verdume I was there, yeah, I was there

That was supposed to have Anderson Uriah Hall and Jopre A beat Vitor And there was a bunch of other stuff that happened In that card, but Matt Brown lost to, I think, Damien Maya Was Demetre Johnson still in the UFC at that point? Yeah, that's what I said. He fought Tim Elliott. Oh, yeah.

Tim Elliott won tough to fight to fight. It was a really good fight. It was a crazy good fight, yeah. Yeah, because Tim Elliott won the first round and then Joe B beat Henry Sehudo in the co-main event and then didn't get the title shot. That was a really good fight too. An unrated fight.

Great fight. Great fight. I can't wait until... We can't wait until... I know. This is actually kind of fun. I can't wait until Demetrius gets in the UFC Hall of Fame when he officially retires whenever. Demetius Johnson is just now being hyper-confident.

He did like a Q&A on his Twitch and he goes, but don't take it from so on. So take it from the greatest of all time. And he pointed at himself. And I was like, love it. Real quick question. I love this. This is the best.

Has Demetris Johnson had the longest, quote, unquote, prime of any high-level fighter? I don't know. He might still be in his prime. And he's like 30 years. Until Glover's last fight, that would have been up there. I feel Demetri's has been in his athletic prime for like 10 years now I think he did it right where he made 125 until he couldn't and then went up And he also doesn't spar so it just like full spar so probably

But I just like I there's obviously a ton of fighters at one championship I want to see him fight Yeah I just really like god I want to see him fight like brandon Moreno and I know yeah I mean I get it I mean I get it you know know, this. Like him versus Sergio Pettis, like him rematching Kyoji Horaguchi in 2023 would be awesome. Him versus Pachi-Mix would be awesome. I know, I know.

Rofihan Stats would be awesome. Like, it's just, but he's making a lot of money to fight all this high-level guys. Adrian Maraise is a good fight too. He's obviously tough. It's just, we just don't have access to these guys as much as, you know, Bellator and UFC fighters.

So I just don't know as much. I can't speak as confidently about them. But I definitely know there. he is very hard, tough competition over there too. They're not easy fights for sure. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He's having fun.

He's having fun. He's making money, and that's all that matters. All right, hit the music or else we're going to talk. We're going to reflect on the good old days for another hour, which I'd be okay with. We appreciate it. Very much. Thank you for joining us. AK and I will be back tomorrow.

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Anthony Joshua's back. What are you talking about? We have fights on Saturday and Sunday next week. One of them might be in a hell in a cell. Oh, WrestleMania. I would be watching. I'm going to Josh Brennan's bloodsport on Thursday. Yeah.

I'm going to Joey Janetta's spring break. I'm going to be at, I'll be at WrestleMania. Oh my God. You're going to mania? Yeah, dog. Might even, might even, might even, NBA fighting might even be a WrestleMania media day. You never know.

Golly. Why was I not told about this? I will, I will jump on coverage. Damn right. That should be fun. Well, we'll see you then, everybody. Good night. listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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