MMA Fighting - UFC Seattle Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Unfortunate End To Song Yadong's Win vs. Henry Cejudo

Episode Date: February 23, 2025

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Ladies and gentlemen, never in my life did I think that I would be starting a post-fight show with a quote from Jamal Hill. But here we are in the year of our Lord 2025. A bitter end to an epic card. I don't know if epic. Epic might be a little bit too far of a stretch, but it was a very fun card. And unfortunately, it ends in a little bit of controversy, a little bit of. of weirdness and it just left us feeling a little bit empty inside. But the victory horns do sound for Song Yudong. He picks up the biggest win of his career, at least on paper, against the former

two-division champion Henry Sehudo, but certainly not the way he would have liked it and certainly not the way the fans wanted to end the night in Seattle and what a crowd it was. As we welcome you to the post-fight show, thank you for joining us. I am Mike Heck and joining me, Mr. No Gray area himself, Jed Mishu. Jed, how are you? I was a lot better prior to the last 45 minutes. Right. That ending was about as infuriating as possible

and wish we, like, that was shaping up to be a really nice card. And in the end, it still is, right? A lot of finishes, certainly early, the first seven belts or whatever went to finish. A couple of decisions, only one. of those was awful. The rest of them were at least fun, competitive, maybe some scoring controversies, or at least things to talk about, not necessarily controversial. And then the main event just ends the night. If you have a five-star incredible meal and then you end the night with the shittiest

possible dessert, they make a huge mistake in the kitchen. And somehow, instead of giving you chocolate ganache. They serve you dog poop and you eat it. That is what this evening was. Doesn't matter that the steak and the baked potato and the soup and the salad and everything else was good, I ended my night, absolutely infuriated. And so you have Seattle as a whole goes down pretty bitter. Yeah.

So all of this is just very strange because let's just talk about the fight. And just to let the people who are watching live know and people who are listening after the fact. This is not going to be a long post-fight show. It just can't be today. There's just things that need to be done on the website. So we're going to talk about this, obviously, because it's a very big topic. We're going to take some questions. We're going to get the hell out of here. That's just how this is going to roll. But if you missed it, Song Yudong wins a technical decision against Henry Suhudo. Two of the judges scored at 2928. One judge scored it the way I scored it and the way most people scored it 3027 for song yodong there is an pretty nasty eye poke in the third round there was a

low blow in the third round they showed the replay it was not a ding ding kick it was more to the hip so whatever then the i poke happens and it's basically a double eye poke this is a pretty nasty eye poke from song yadong to henry sehudo henry sehudo does what no other fighter i have seen over the last several years has done he used every second of the five minutes he's is allotted to recover. And in the end, he says, I am ready to continue. I'm going to keep on fighting. And the fight continues on. Song is dinging him up like he did pretty much the entirety of that round before the Ipo. And round three ends, Suhudo goes to the corner. He is telling his team as the camera is on him, I cannot effing see. I don't know what to tell you. And then he tells

the doctor, I can't see. Jason Herzog comes over. and says, look, we're going to start the round, and then I'm going to wave the fight off, and we're going to go to the scorecards, and that's how we got to the technical decision. We barely got into the fourth round and into the fifth, and song wins, and song reacts,

feels like he let people down. He wants to run it back with Henry Sohudo. Sohudo's like, sure, I'll do the same. Jed, infuriating is the word you used. Why is this so infuriating? Because I'm feeling myself getting infuriated as I go through all this, because of how fucking stupid the rule set is in this sport.

Excuse me? I'm that mad right now as I'm talking myself into this. But why are you so infuriated by what happened tonight in this main event? Literally all of it, Mike. Like every facet of it, the rules are dumb. The rules are dumb and ambiguous. It's not entirely clear that Jason Herzog actually even followed the rules. I pulled up the rules.

We can go through that. there's a really strong argument that Jason Herzog just made up some rules while he was in there he tried to make up rules like outwardly but I've been like I got to start the fourth round you do not that that has never been a requirement for the fight you say oh the fight ends at the conclusion of the third round in the same way any other fighter who cannot compete get like so he was trying to make up some rules he may have in fact made up some rules on how this fight ended. And oh, by the way, just didn't take a point. An egregious foul. Everyone here knows I am team. Take a point for every single foul because this is literally not just the only sport.

It is the only walk of life where cheating is not penalized. We're committing a foul in any other sport, game activity. There is a punishment levied. Never happens in this sport. There is no price to for it and that's infuriating. Really, really infuriating, Mike, when the ultimate end point of that actually would have been a draw, which would have felt better even if I firmly believe Songuong was winning that fight.

And oh, by the way, it's even weirder because Suhudo, like the people who were like Sehudo was looking for a way out, I think that certainly there's a piece of that. But also if he was looking for a way out, he could have just said, I can't see right when the foul hurt. I can't compete.

That's a no contest. Instead, because he finished out the round, now it's a loss. And again, there is an argument that it shouldn't be a loss, that that should go to, or that should be a TKO loss, that Jason TERSRx still just made up some rules. Every piece of this top to bottom was handled poorly in a rule set that is poor and that is enforced, like Bozo the Clown is in charge of this shit. I am so tired of it. It is not hard to figure out how to do this.

And we just keep kicking our dicks in over the same thing over and over again. It's just, it's wild how people used to get so mad at us five years ago when we used to just tell fighters, just cheat. Just go ahead and cheat. Any chance you get just cheat. And people just get so mad at us. Oh, how dare you. talk about the sanctity of this great sport of ours. Let's have a little respect for it.

Do you, and now, like, you go through Twitter after this stuff happens, and you see everybody saying what we've been saying for five years. And it is, it's actually a little more frustrating now. Like, at first it was a badge of honor, but now it's just so annoying. Like, I, it's just, it's crazy all of this. And unfortunately, the fight ends the way that it did. And Song looked real good. I thought he went all three rounds.

Suhudo was competitive, and Suhudo is always going to be competitive. He looked 38 in there, plain and simple. He looked 38, but still a 38-year-old Henry Suhudo is better than a lot of band of weights. He still hits hard. He still very athletic in there. He still faints very well. He makes you bite a little bit. But he looked very telegraphed in there.

You could see everything he was throwing from a mile away. Song was starting to pick up on it. Sure, Suhudo was landing his shots. but this is just a shitty way to end this fight. So now they may just run this back. Like Song wants to run it back. And if I'm the song, of course I would have run this one back. You was doing so damn good in the fight.

If you're Henry Sohudo, do you run this back? Like, do you want to see this again after what just happened tonight? No, he seems up to doing it. I think that would be bad. I don't know. Mike, I want to read the rules because there are two subjects. like two subsections under injury sustained by fair blows and fouls. And there are two different headers here, which is why this gets confusing.

Because depending on how you read this, open to interpretation of how this was handled, subsection A, if an injury sustained during the competition as a result of a legal maneuver is severe enough to terminate about the injured contestant loses by technical knockout. I mean, that sort of presumes that the opposite is not true, but that's how a TCO result. A legal maneuver does it. But you drive on down here to sections F and G, the accidental fouls, basically. And so let's go with F. If an injury sustained during competition as a result of an accidental foul is determined by the referee,

is severe enough for the referee to stop the bout immediately. The bout shall result in no contest is stopped before two rounds have been completed in a three-round bout, or stop before three rounds have been completed in a five-round bout. Now, the presence of the word immediately suggests. that by restarting the fight, that is no longer clear. And so thus, this, Henry Seudo did not answer the bell for the fourth or could not because of impaired vision. And I don't know how to handle that. Because on the one hand, by restarting the bout, we are acknowledging that he is fit to continue. But pretty obviously, he was not fit to continue for the fourth round because

he could not see, and very clearly his inability to see came from in a legal blow. I don't know how, honestly, that's supposed to be handled. I do know it's not supposed to be handled by I'm going to start the fourth round and then pause the action, and I'm going to go tell Song Yonong that I'm going to start the fourth. Like, that was weird as shit, but I don't know. I honestly don't know how that's supposed to be handled because it is, these are open-ended, and that is just part of the problem of all of this. But ultimately, either way that goes,

that just changed it from being a TKO to going to the cards and decision for song. The egregious part here is fouling. And there is like, I'm too old now to be like, I'm going to spend, focus my life to get in the UC approval point. I hope I just hit the lotto so I can pay some random contender series signy, a buttload of money and be like, hey, I will give you $100,000. If you go in and actively cheat as hard as you can, I just want to see where the line is. Every strike you throw is this, like three stooges style in the eyes.

You don't throw any kicks that aren't field goal punts right up the middle. And I want you to see how long it takes before they do something about you. Because I don't think it'll happen. They are terrified to affect the outcome of the fight. And it is just so infuriating. give me 10 minutes with any referee and I will break them into being better at their fucking jobs because I cannot keep doing this. It is just so dumb that we have this conversation like eight, 10 times a year in post shows like,

oh, here we are again. The dumb thing is happening. Because it's going to keep happening forever because that's how incentives work. If there is no punishment, no one will change. Yeah. and it's not going to because the referees have said it publicly and Brendan Fitzgerald said it on the broadcast as well. A referee, especially these UFC refs, especially the ones you know and see and cheer for when they say their name, they're the ones that do not want to be involved.

They don't want to be in the headlines. They don't want to be the reason that a fighter loses half of their paycheck. Sorry, man. Like that's your job. That is your job. And it's just crazy. Don't make enforce the rules. Oh, my God, yeah.

Maybe the most infuriating part is that Jason, I think Jason Erzog is the best ref in MAA. Like, I think he's been the best ref in him may for some time. And he was terrible tonight. Like, in the previous fight when he's like, all right, you've, you poked him in the eyes and he kicked you in the ball. So you guys are even now. No, that's no. Like, come on, man. Just like grow up.

Just grow up here. Reach down with the fleshy patch where your testicles should be. And grow up. Do your job. This is so, it is in the rules that it is to your discretion. There is, people, fans in this sport, Mike, have taken the idea that damages all that matters. Like, doesn't matter. If you get on top for four minutes and 50 seconds, if they land two punches and you land none, you win the round because of damage.

People will die on that hill, which is an insane argument, but at least has a foundation in the written rules of like you are supposed to prioritize that. There is not a single word in the rules that says the referee should really try not to take points. It is up to the discretion of the referee whether a point affects a fighter's ability to win. If you give me another few minutes, I'll find it out. But it is like I'll find the exact terminology. But it is entirely the referee's discretion and the referees have unit like together just decided. Our discretion is never, never. unless you do it 18 times no fight never and that's insane it is you remember the days where this is like back in 2000 remember that remember steve mazagotti who like dana used to just absolutely destroy it at these press conferences you know who would have taken points tonight steve mazagotti would have taken points tonight because steve mazegotti loved to take points remember brock leszegar's ufc debut he is thumping up frank me or something proper just

obliterating him with hammer fists after dropping him, just hitting him over and over again. And then Mazgai takes a point. And then Frank Miron's up tapping him. People are like, oh, how dare he take a point? But that's just, like, that's sports. It's just the way that it is. And it's unfortunate that the way that the fight ended,

the way that it did. And to Herzog's credit, and I guess maybe he did this to make the on-paper viewing of what this fight looks like to people who go back to Tavok. Apology and Wikipedia two years from now that it says tech decision instead of a TKO starts the fourth round to maybe soften the blow for Henry Suhudo. Maybe he's doing him some sort of favor. Kind of silly, but I think that's possibly what he did. And in the end, if Suhudo just said it

around too, like, I can't go, I can't see, I'm done, it's a no contest. And it's not a loss for Henry who is now 0 and 3 since returning to the UFC. And it's going to be interesting to see where they go because Dana White, I don't know if he's still at the press conference. He was asked about this. So he has no interest at all in rebooking this fight and it doesn't look like they're going to run it back. So there you go. You should not do it.

I pulled up, I've got two, just two very quick things from the rules about assessment of fouls because there's only one clear piece where it says the referee does it in talking of fouls. And it's only a referee can assess a foul if the referee does not call the foul judges can't. We know that the referee is the arbiter of whether a foul happens. Fowls may result in a point being deducted by the official scorekeeper from the offending contestant score, scorekeeper, not the judge is responsible, and the referee can assess a foul and deduct points if the referee deems it appropriate.

That's the only specific language. There's also other language later on about how to handle appropriate fouls or whatever, and the short arm is if the combatant's chance of winning has not been seriously jeopardized as a result. It's about a different section, but that does sort of presume that seriously jeopardizing your chances of winning a fight actually is a qualifying measure, which I would say that if you can't look and see, that seriously depredized your chance of winning a fight. this like just if if the referees are so hesitant to do that like to just do their jobs as is afforded that they're afforded I would love a commission to be like okay we are going to codify this very clearly and that's why I have always been on the opinion that it just take a point for everything it takes the ambiguity out if if the foul is

intentional if you deem it to be an intentional foul to deque and if it is an accidental foul take a point because you are in charge of your own weapons, that's how that goes. And that would take all the ambiguity out. And instead, we're having the same conversation, Mike, that we've had. I've honestly lost count. Like, we're just here again, and we shouldn't be. Because honestly, this fight wasn't competitive. Like, there's no reason for us to be mired in this.

Song Yidong was beating the tar of it, Henry Sehudo, and probably would have been well on his way to doing it, but for this happening. And so now we're here. If Dana says he's not interested, I don't. agree with Dane all the time, absolutely agree with him this time. No need to run that back. If Suvda wants to fight again, book him against Jose Aldo and Song can do whatever else, fight more. That's fine. When I got a great deal on a great gift at winners, I started wondering, could I get fabulous gifts for everyone on my list? Like this designer fragrance for my daughter.

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That's interesting. John Silva is getting a performance of the night bonus. I feel a level of confident in that because if he doesn't, I'll be upset. I mean, I feel like the performances are obvious. I mean, there were a lot of other really good ones, but you've got to go Ricky Simone, right? The Javi Bosharach deading. One man got absolutely sent to the shadow realm and one man got disrespectfully sent to the shadow realm of he's dead. Jason, you really, you seriously want me to hit him again, Jason? okay.

It was Kevin McDonald. Oh, it was Kevin McDonald. Sorry. It's like, you really want this? Whack, whack, whack, wow. Just stomped him out, elbows to the ribs. So those two, if you're telling, I would have, if you had not given me that, I would have absolutely said that we were talking for performance bonuses and throwing it somewhere else.

If you're giving me fight of the night, I'm going to assume it's Rob Fontjam Matsumoto. No. Oh, did we go to main event then? No, we did not. Oh, yes, we did. Oh, yes, they did. No. Yes?

Alonzo Menafield versus Julius Walker is the fight of the night. I'm not lying. I really wish I was. I thought it was from a fake account. I, that cannot be correct. It's correct. Why did you even tell me that?

now I'm even angrier than I was when we started the show. I was going to say, like you must be like super infuriated now. Dude, that fight was, that fight was the worst fight on the card. I don't think that's even like a hot take. That's just a,

that was a miserable fight. The co-me invent was super fun and the Rob Follomato fight was dope. I was just, I was just making sure, I'm just making sure like multiple media members, pose of this. Nolan King, who I respect, love the man. That's who I saw it from.

And then I went and look at Aaron Broadsetter who watches the Dana scrums and, like, gives you all the notes. And he also confirms this dude that Menofield v. Walker is the fight of the night. That is fucking crazy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That legitimately may be one of the worst things I've seen in this sport. Wow.

truly the worst fight on the card I do not have an idea what like I need someone to ask Dana why true like honestly like not even trying to be a dick like I would just be like Dana I am legitimately just confused why did you award fight of the night to the worst fight on the card by a lot that is insane dude

let's go to the peeps let's see what the people are saying I don't know to that. That's freaking nuts What a night. Like it just ended in such a sour way. How do you give that fight? The fight of the night.

I'm sorry. It's because of Menafield ripping his foot apart. That's just like, all right. That was so disgustingly nasty. Here's a bonus. Because that fight was just not good. I mean, I don't know. But did they break the all-time gate record?

That's what we've got to find. now. Probably. All time gate. I don't know. Or Seattle, I guess. Hold on. I'm a look.

We're fight nights in February. Attendance, 18,287, the gate was 3.84 million. The largest gate for a UFC fight night in North American history. That's all I'm here for. Just shattering records, baby. Just shattered them. Dude, the commentary team was talking about how that fight was bad. These guys were both passed out.

I need somebody to explain that one. Like, good for Menafield and Walker getting 50K, I get, that is nuts. Hernandez-A-d-d-do-y. A great fight. It's a great fight. We were talking. I was like, I love this fight. This is like,

This is like, I wanted to see a fight like that. And I got it. And yeah. I admit. Apparently this Dana Scrum is just not good anyways. Just a question. When are you guys going back to Seattle? When you guys go back to Seattle?

Credit to him. Apparently, apparently somebody asked when Carlos, if there's going to be a fight book for Carlos Pratchez soon, when he just literally announced his fight. three days ago with this massive announcement on top of massive announcements this is this is bizarre

honestly maybe this is just big brain Dana he knows that everyone's going to be just livid about the main event and talking about all of that nonsense and so we'll do this fight of the night and now people will be too befuddled to even be angry they'll just be confused because that's where I'm at

I can't even be mad anymore I'm saying, what is happening? What was today? It started off so great, seven finish and seven fights. Oh, I was about to kind of, we're kind of getting,

is this like one of the most, like, kind of out of nowhere, great cards ever? Because we were just getting finished after finish after finish. We were headed in that direction. Those are the best prelims in a long time.

And then Casey, apparently we got seven finishes and the best fight of the night. So I would have said, I do not remember that fight in night. I think I watched one round. I was like, you know what, I'm going to make a sandwich and just have this on in the background.

And then I didn't even bother. Like, usually I go, hey, I look up my highlights. I was like, I got the gist of it. The first round was the best round. And it was Julius Walker trying to take Alonzo Menefield down for four and a half minutes. And then they exchanged shots towards the end of the round. And then like the rest of the fight was the same. And then there was an exchange at the end of the third round.

Like, that was pretty much it. Fott Matsumoto was clearly the best fight of the night And if you want to give it to Fluffy Hernandez and Brendan Allen I wouldn't hate that either But it was just Let's go to the peeps I got nothing guys I got nothing turned real weird

I was like early on was like cool this can be a good post show Got a lot of fun things to talk about Several of my boys did really well tonight Hell yeah Sick And then it was just like Okay let's get weird with it.

Is Gian Silva the MVP of this card? Giansova is the MVP of every fight card that he attends. He is the man. I am so happy that I immediately adopted him and he has done nothing but made me look like a genius from day one. It's just like, yeah.

I love this guy on Contender Series and he has just been like the shit ever since. He did the thing across the board. The call out of Bryce Mitchell was fucking brilliant. And if I'm Bryce Mitchell and I know Bryce responded on Twitter, I ain't going near this guy.

I am staying far away. You shouldn't even have responded. That's going to go. That's going to get real bad. Bryce is actually a very smart guy. Y'all just don't know. Hey, Bryce. He's on social media.

Bryce, run to the edge of the world and jump off to avoid this fight. Just jump off the edge of the world. Yeah. Yeah, that's a bad idea for Bryce Mitchell. That was easily the, like, I'm glad Silva at least got his bonus because it was easily the best part of the night. And some of that is, yes, I, Lord is my boy. But him just being like, I'm going to kill him if you make me hit him again.

Are you should? And asked him twice. He checked towards like, you, like, really? Okay. Wham! Just like, God, sick. It's awesome. Like the post

There's going to be a poster made of Gian Silva asking the referee like smiling at him being like you really want me to do this right now as Melzik Bagazirian is like trying to figure out where he is in life and the referee just like

yeah man go and then he was so nice he only punched him once in the head and then he just started 12 six elbowing him in the guts oh that is so nasty you want to have a concussion and piss blood tomorrow thank

Kevin Donald shout out New England New England's New England's best referee All right I just want to point out because I was complaining earlier

this is only I'm going to add to that Bisbing complaining he's like what is John Silva like shaking hands of his opponent being happy in there

and then he has the most spectacular knock out of the card just I'm like dude just let fighters be who they are just let them be who they are

if they're happy smiley guys when they fight let me happy smile thought happy smiley guys it was just weird yeah and then they spent and then first of all i i thought i thought i thought the commentary was tough tonight um i'm spending three and a half minutes talking about the rob font thing was just a little overkill in my opinion like come on it gives a shit like mention it talk about it for a minute fine but don't spend the entirety of the first round

talking about and then getting into like a awkward argument about it it's just like Paul Felt is trying to end it. He's just like, all right, let's move on. And Bisbing just throws in another thing. And it's like, Jesus Christ. And by the way, now Michael Bisbing is advocating for points being taken. What world are we living in? Because this is a guy who never wants points being taken.

Oh, no, they shouldn't take a point. And we always come on these shows and we're like, oh, Michael Bisbing says we shouldn't take a point. And it was ridiculous. And now he's the advocate for point taking. What is happening here? All right. Now it's going to be

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Thank you everyone for super chatting, but it's going to be a short show. Yeah, we had the boxing card, so we're kind of short stuff right now. What do you think? Fluffy's performance, RS 40 asks. Is Canada here next for him? Also, Giann Silva called for Bryce Mitchell. Does the UFC want to see Bryce get murdered again? Great Fluffy Hernandez's performance, Jed Michoud.

I was really impressed. I thought he was going to win. And I thought it could look like that, only a little different, right? I thought he would lose the first round because Fluffy loses a lot of first rounds. I didn't think he'd lose that way. He made a real boneheaded move and let Brin'Anon get on top. And Brin' Allen really put the screws on him in that first round. But Fuffy's Fluffy.

You got to get him, you got to kill him to get him out of there. Brennan didn't. And so in rounds two and three, he fluffied all over him, right? Like he still had some moments. Brennan hung real deep. tough, came out strong in that third round. I think over, if we got 10 more minutes, it would have been a little, like, undenade. I thought it was obviously very clear cut already, but Fluffy was just going to put more

distance between him the longer that fight went. But overcoming, like, that pretty tough first round for him, I still have questions sort of about the deficiencies in his game. I just didn't think Brandon Allen was a person to really test those, and ultimately he wasn't. he can't strike like almost at all but he kind of doesn't need to he he knows what he does he is he is middleweight marab and rob's the best band of weight on earth and maybe the best band of weight ever so that's not a bad place to be considering middleweight is a much worse

division than pantom weight is so uh good performance honestly very good performance from brendan allen as well hung a lot tougher than i thought was very competitive that's just one of those good fights between two dudes who are top 10, 15 in the world and really fun. Like, I really, it was one of my favorite fights to watch, probably my favorite fight on the whole car because the scrambles were sick. The pace was high. Like, we were just getting great grappling and I really enjoyed that. I will tell you why I was so impressed with Anthony Hernandez tonight because I thought he,

I thought he had a, I thought he had an off night. I really did. To the point where I actually texted one of his teammates that he trains with regularly. And I was after the, I think it was like midway through the second round. And I was like, is he okay? He just doesn't, like he seems like himself in some ways, but not like the guy we've seen in like the last four fights. I was like, you see, all right? And I was basically told like, I'm not going to say anything.

He might after the fight. And I was like, oh, okay. Because the weight cut, the weight cut was pretty bad. Antibiotics thing. Yeah, he had a rib injury. He got sick. He was on antibiotics. And I guess like he just got off antibiotics.

Like not that long ago. So it really affected the weight cut. And he had, he had a bad night at the office in like fluffy standards and still beat Brendan Allen. And it was a clear cut win. like that it's it's not it's not the performances where you just go out there and like him just dusting up perera was really impressive to me but sometimes when you have an off night and you don't have your fastball and you still win against a tough competitor like sometimes those are the things that impress me the most like when you have an off night you can still find a way to win

brand and allen is damn good fighter in this division anthony even not being fully there and fully at his best, dude's an absolute scrapper. And there's very few, there might be two guys in this division who can win a fight like that against Anthony Hernandez. Drickus duplicity is one of them, in my opinion. But maybe, but still he won.

So that's why I was impressed. So solid. And I don't think it's Canaanair next for him. He may get that, but I wouldn't do that. And you can tune in tomorrow for on to the next one. to hear what Mike thinks he will get next. It's one of two guys I haven't landed on it yet, and it's either Robert Whitaker or Sean Strickland.

That's who I would give him next. You know, it sucks. I have a feeling the UFC didn't like Fluffy's performance tonight. They almost certainly did not. They didn't give him fight of the night. They gave it to Alonzo goddamn Maneafield. So I have to assume that they didn't like it because they gave it to Alonzo's goddamn Minerfield.

How do these guys be? They're in this sport for so dang long. They have the best seats in the house. And they go, nah, I don't like that. I don't, uh, we're moving on, moving on. Sorry. Ah. That's the thing.

Dana White knows fights. Like, for whatever. Like, he was grappling, too. Like, he does. I just want to be like, dude, how, how has been a field walker in the fight of the fight? Like, what possible metrics other than tiredness is this the fight of the night? Oh, my God. Jesus.

All right. Super chat from Justin Cash. Justin. John Silver is a monster. He sure is. Yeah. I mean, I'll back him forever because he's my boy and you stand with your people or else he ain't nothing yourself. Shout out Bodie.

Bryce Mitchell is a tough ass fight for him, man. Bryce Mitchell, as dumb as a bag of rocks. But you know what? The thing about Bag of Rocks, it's really hard to knock out Bags of Rocks. It can be done. Josh, him and almost killed a bag of rocks. It's pretty impressive. But he is historic.

We've been very durable. And John Silver is not a big featherweight. Like, he packs a lot of power. But he was giving up size to Melsick in there. Price Mitchell is probably going to be bigger. And Charles Dordane took John Silver down a bunch of times. Like, Bryce Mitchell, like, that is a tough fight for him. It's a great fight for him as well.

And certainly if he wins, he gets the ranking, et cetera. But I would not just go counting Bryce Mitchell as a dead man if they book that, despite the fact that I think he was a monster. I love the callout. Like it was perfectly timed. Apparently it was like mistranslated. He was basically saying, hey, Dana, if you want me to give this man a history lesson, essentially, like, let's do it.

So I love the callout. And I said this on onto the next one last week and I'm going to stick with it. John Silva's about to fight Yusuf Salal for the number 12 spot. That's what he's going to get in this fight. Because I don't think Yusuf's going to get, I don't think Yusuf's going to get a big step up after his performance against Calvin Cater,

incredibly forgettable. It'd be fun as hell though. That fight would be fun. And that's a great fight, yeah. So, yeah, Giann's going to get a rank guy and UFC's just going to throw those two dudes in and we'll see what they have. That's how I think they'll do it.

So I don't think. think they'll do this, but I do want to shout out Kaposa because he threw this fight out on Twitter. And it probably doesn't even make that much sense. And I don't care because I want to see it. Dooh-Troi and John Silva just inject that directly into my veins. That's why I want to see. Yeah. Sovo would just be anarchy. That's why I want to see fight Bryce Mitchell as do Ho-Joy. I don't hate that either. Yeah. A lot of people are saying, oh, I don't want Bryce Mitchell to fight. The UFC didn't cut him so sorry Bryce Mitchell

will make another payday at some point in the UFC so oh yeah this is how we are people yeah Bryce is gonna be fighting in the UFC seven years from now I don't want him to fight Bryce Mitchell because then I have to watch a Bryce Mitchell fight and I do not want to watch a Bryce Mitchell fight but I want to watch Joe Silva fight

because that's my boy and so I don't want that fight to get booked I do think that fight would make a lot of sense but I hope they do not What a difference a couple of months make. Remember the preview show for UFC 310? How excited you are for Brace Mitchell's fight with Crone Gracie? Oh, yeah, because that was the dumbest fight in history. And actually legitimately...

Literally a dumbest fight. Yeah, man. Yeah, it might be dumb. Yeah. Yeah. It's smarter and smarter. Just run it back. Run it back of those days.

Yeah, just keep doing it. I don't care. Just get Chrome Gracie. in Bryce's next YouTube Instagram video with a piece of paper explaining out we are actually not a heliocentric society

and it's like dude they literally solve this 2,000 years ago you have the internet and can't figure this out what is wrong with you Spencer Gianseva a little tense

ball of hell that just fun addition to lightweight but realizing a problem on fee for everyone and his star aura, how far can he go? I mean, he's a feather right, but I mean, he did recently, yeah, he, yeah. But how far can he go, Jed?

Probably not for the belt. But like, I don't, I don't, he to me does not read like championship guy. He reads like super fun dude who's in the top 10 for a long time, which is, Honestly, like a friend, like, dude, put Gianzilva and Diego Lopez in a freaking fight together and watch, like, because I care way more about you being fun and awesome as opposed to being, like, great and awesome. And thus far, everything I've watched, John Silva is like, yeah, man, you're going to, it will be worth my time to watch you fight every time out. And so I would, like, if I'm ballparking it, he's not going to win the belt.

top five is probably the ceiling but wherever he ends up landing he will just be fun as hell which is super important yeah that's kind of where I see him but yeah who knows by the way it's wide open now it's a weird division and you can leap up those ranks very quickly john jed how can a by points bet

for fluffy plus 115 have such better odds than money line minus three 30, your GP article didn't give any point spread slash no finish info. Oh, because was he five and a half or three and a half? I don't know. FanDuel did not have any of that up. And we use Fandual. And so I was just for the article, I was restricted to using Fandle.

I have no idea. I would guess that he was three and a half, but maybe five minus three and a half. Yeah, it's five minus three and a half. Yeah. and something like that. There's a reason I bet on Fluffy by points at Plus Money. I thought that that was by far the most likely outcome to this fight in a three-round fight. That being said, if you do look at most of his wins on this now seven-fight win streak,

I think five or six of these seven wins have been by stoppage, even though they're in three-round fights. Like he's getting late stoppages in second and third round. I just have a lot of respect for Brendan Allen as a fighter. I thought it was an incredibly good value to get Fluffy by points and after the first round I thought oh shit I was wrong I'm going to lose his bet and then Fluffy fluffied so I hope you follow along with that

I don't actually know I did the rest of the night I have to go back and look at all my wagers The mean gene parley failed which was devastating for me but so it goes All right thank you Mr. Miller This one should enrage you guys Oh good I haven't been angry enough today

Okay Fahim, Dan is saying Aldo and O'Malley want to fight That's the fight Listen It doesn't rage It's the one I wanted Okay You're happy

I don't want to I think it's fine Okay Yeah I also if If they're going to actually make Sean O'Malley fight Instead of just giving them another crack at Marab

Somehow justice keeps winning And if Algo wins that fight Aldo can Get another crack at Marab and he's the only person Rob hasn't taken down. Suck it. So it wouldn't be my choice. I am fully on the,

I don't care if Jose Aldo fights for a belt. He should just fight other old dudes, but he is not of that opinion, so it's a fine fight. Okay. I thought we're kind of committed to the Aldo Sehudo thing, but we're... That is where I...

That is what I would like. I mean, I wanted Aldo freaking Cruz, and now I really want Aldo Pitbull, but those aren't those don't appear to be happening so I think this is you give you now though a chance to fight for a belt with one win I'm in all right there uh super chat from r s 40 uh has costa playered featherweight featherway yeah he beat feelies oh yeah i forgot that fight even happened with all the shit that that has transpired over the last couple hours.

He did crazy. Dude, that that was a nasty gilly. And at first, like, when he put it on, I'm like, okay,

he's just using this to like run off the run out the rest of the round. Just because he looked so calm. He didn't even look like he was trying. It was just so sick. And then Philly started to like waver. Billy did the thumb up good.

And then. Arm in everything. It was just, it was so nice. And then just got him. Textbook. Just did the thing. Is he a player though?

Do you look at him after sign and say, okay, we forget Gian Silva. It's about Casio Costa's division. Players are a question. He is still young. He's like 28. So he's coming off a couple of good wins now. I think he's a guy who can be around. And if he keeps improving, because he is getting better, maybe.

I don't think he's a player if you're talking a guy who will ever fight for a title. No. But like guy who can maybe make his way into the top 15. have some big important fights. I think that's in play. I maybe wouldn't pick that because, like, he, you know, he's lost to some good guys.

He's lost to the best guys he's fought. And for as much as we like Andre Feely, I don't think people think of him as, like, a truly top-tier featherweight. But fun guy. And again, being fun is, like, half the battle to people caring about you. I mean,

there's a, you know, there's sort of a step-by-step process to this division. You beat Andre Flee. Philly, then you fight Bruce Leroy. You beat Bruce Leroy, then you get a, like a Danny Gay. It's kind of where you're at. So, yeah, maybe give him Bruce Lee Roy, and let's see what he can do.

Thank you much. Super chat from Spencer. Jed's surprise, you only have Suhudo, like top 50, male, pound for pound. I have him around number 20 all-time, wins over DJ, TJ, and Cruz, all-time fighters, and one of the few to defend at two weights. I don't know where I actually have him.

I threw out top 50 because I'm certain he's in the top 50 best fighters of all time. I would be pretty surprised if I thought he was in the top 20 best fighters of all time for the reasons of context. One, his career was pretty short, right? Like he retired at the peak of his powers. He's now lost three in a row. Yes, he defended both belts at both weight classes. I would say both of those defenses are questions. Like he he defended against TJ who has never fought a flyweight before since and looked dead making the weight.

And then he defended against Dominic Cruz who didn't really deserve to fight for the belt at that point in time. Like just he doesn't have a long, I don't, I, to this day, do not believe he beat Demetius Johnson in their rematch. Like he he accomplished much. And so you have to give him credit for that. but he did not accomplish much over a long period of time. And so it really hurts his case. Like, Dan Henderson has a better MMA career than Henry Stahudo. No question.

Absolutely no question about that. And if you don't think so, it most likely just means that you weren't around for Dan Henderson's run. And what he did over a long period of time across multiple weight classes and the best fighters in the sport for years on in. So, like, there are just a lot of dudes like that who they don't get the same shine because they weren't simultaneous champ champs or whatever, but did have a better career.

And so I'm certain pseudo's in the top 50. I'd have to really piece out exactly where it is. I'd be pretty shocked if he was in my top 20, though. I'm not saying it's impossible, just unlikely. Because the top 10 is pretty much locked up. Yeah, I agree. Sounds about right. Thank you, Spencer.

Yeah, you get all nitpicky towards the stretch. It's like, he's got a lot of loss. You talk about the Oospin. the Holloways, the Frankie Edgars, the... All better. Charles Olivares. Better. And then we look at the Chucks, the Tito's, obviously the Shoguns that people will forget

about in these conversations. At a very baseline level, Henry Suhudo's MMA record. And I think people also sort of conflate adding the gold medal in there because it's such an incredible accomplishment at a very baseline. Henry Sudo has 21 MMA fights and he lost five of those and like we're the last three of them we really aren't that's not even

part of the conversation so he has 18 MMA fights that's just not a lot of fights to be like one of the 20 best fighters who has ever lived to put that in a context Song Yudong is 11 years younger than him he has more pro fights the same amount of UFC fights and he has one more UFC

win than Henry Suhudo has that's insane if you want to talk about like peaks or like best as opposed to greatness as a term of accomplishment. Yeah. Like, there are some arguments there, but I, you want, like, 18 fights of matter, like, that matter. And that's not even because he came into the UFC at like five and oh.

So we're really talking about like 12 fights that matter in his career. That is a very small margin. I thought you were going to be like, remember when you, you would turn your DVD player on, but there was like no DVD at it. I thought Jed's like was just going to bounce up and down and I was hoping he would just land in the corner somewhere.

We all cheer. We hit the corner. Yeah. I don't know a button I pushed. All right. Any more to your chats? A couple more, but kind of fun ones off topic a bit.

Emmy fighting great website. Pacaporta. We have to add Mitroposo to the horn. Thanks, Stephen. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Stephen. And our last super chat also from Stephen. Boys, Mr. Bishu, you got a shout out on MMA on point.

How's your relationship with them? Love to see Luke or Tommy Toehold on BTL. You got a shout on M.A. on Point. I didn't know that. Shout out to the M.A. on Point, boys. I've always had a pretty good relationship with them for dating back for several years. Like, they're good dudes and they do good work. Like, I respect a lot of what they're doing.

I've Tommy Toehold. It's great. So glad to hear it. I got no, no, when we were talking earlier this week about, like, who do you have beef with? I ain't got no beef with the MAA on point vote. All right. And, oh, sorry. Yeah, I forget.

I forget. Oh, Jason Hartley's been on EETL before. Not this iteration of EETL, but the old iteration of EETL. I met them a few years back. Nice dudes. Doing something different. Good on them. No eight.

No eight. And, uh, Just a quick, just to wrap things up. Metafield Walker winning fighter, then is the most insane thing that happened tonight. I still cannot believe that one. I truly can't believe it. Honestly, you did it wrong.

You should have been like, instead of telling me, you should have just been like keep guessing and made you go wrong because it would have been the actual last fight I picked. But you said it, you were like, you were like, It can't be Meadowfield versus Walker. And then like, the poker face would just gave it away. Like if you said, like, if I'm holding pocket aces and there's an ace on the board and you're like, oh, you have trip aces.

Like, you'd be able to probably see it on my face that I do have trip aces. Like, I can't hold it much longer at that point. Like, like, yeah, and Jay-Zone had a better shot of winning this. I felt like they weren't on the card. So. Curtis Blades and Rizvon would have had a better chance of getting fight of the night. Not being on the card, they deserved it more. I honestly can't believe.

And genuinely, not even that the other fights deserved it more. It just made a way more sense to just do four bonuses. There were great submissions. We didn't have talked about Enkutalaba had a great submission. His first submission of his career or something like that. And he had a great promo. He actually had a promo. It was wild.

Yeah. He got nothing. He got nothing from the UFC. Like, what is going on? Yeah. I mean, that was... Osama under Fard got to finish it, right? Then on Spanthra...

And we didn't be talking about Austin Bandaford. Yeah, like... Yeah. Good matchmaking. Rude Zabaiv gets a knocko. Modestis. Yeah. Mastas, yeah.

Mancer Abdul Malik almost dies and then comes back and wins. Nick Poy landed. He's spinning back elbow from hell and Mancer just eats it. At that point, I was just like, okay there's no way mansor loses this fight now he also Tim Boached him which was my favorite because I'm also a big Mancer guy

and in the second round he just threw him to like it was not a take-toe he just said like Tim Boch used to be one of my favorite guys because like redneck judo he would just hurl human beings and this was what Mancer was like

big brother ha and then that was the end of the fight functionally Nick Klein was like oh shit this guy's real powerful and then he got hit a bunch and died. Yeah, you saw, you saw Nick Klein's soul leave his body at that moment. He was tossed. You just done in that point. Manzor, man, that guy's going to be real fun to watch.

He's green as green as freaking grass, but the foundation is there to be very, very fun. The UFC needs to not Edmund Shabazzi and him. They need to treat him with kid gloves, slow moves. Let's gradually build him. He does not know how to fly yet. He needs to let him do that. Yeah. He's just a free.

But he can just leave both people at the end. Ha, fall over. You're done. Yeah. Well, thank you all. More work to be done in the back end. Dana White talked to the media. We'll have some stories coming from that.

Um, yeah, just a weird, wacky night. It's been a, it's been a weird year for the UFC thus far. Some, some bad cards and not memorable cards. UFC 311 was great. If you're being honest. And I don't know if you guys saw what UFC Vegas 103 looks like. It's clear. It's maybe, good God, almighty.

That is, uh, yeah, that is, uh, go get acupuncture cards. Like do anything you can Like maybe a colonoscopy for Saturday. I don't know. Get that done. Take a chalky liquid and get it done. But yeah, A.K.A.A. We get to the colonoscopy that means it's time to go.

For Jedd, it's great. See, I am like, Ghost a bit of ghost parents. On to the next one tomorrow. Good have you, buddy. Love y'all. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Unwrap holiday magic at Holt Renfrew with gifts that say I know you.

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