MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 10 & Bellator 246 Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: September 13, 2020

With UFC Vegas 10 and Bellator 246 in the books, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Alex K. Lee and E. Casey Leydon break down the top storylines from Saturday night, including Michelle Waterson’s split decision win over Angela Hill at the UFC APEX, and Juan Archuleta capturing the Bellator bantamweight title with a unanimous decision win over Patchy Mix. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We'll get to them very soon. First things first, I am Mike Heck. Alex K. Lee is joining us as well, along with producer extraordinaire E. Casey Leiden and gentlemen, what a night. Let's start with the big question from UFC Vegas 10, AK, I will start with you. Michelle Watterson edges it out over Angela Hill via split decision in the main event. It was a fantastic fight. It was a tremendous main event. It was one of those fights where, again, this seems to be the theme of 2020 UFC events. Do not judge a book by its cover. A lot of people complained about this main event. Turned out to be an excellent fight. I'm curious how you scored this fight, kind of sir. I'm of the unpopular opinion. I'll say first that it was, I did actually go. This is going to make Casey mad, I think. I don't

want to get our show off on a bad note. But I actually did have it 49, 46, Morrison. So I was with the, the much criticized scorecard that was given by, I want to say, Sal DiMato. Yeah, Sal DiMato and I were on the same page. That said, the rounds were extremely close. I see a lot of people who are upset when they see 4946 and I see the reaction. Like, this is crazy. But really, that's with me giving Waters in the second round. It was very close.

If you want to give Waters in the second round and say it was 48, 47, I won't argue. But I don't think giving, I don't think giving, I don't think giving, whatever, Waters in the second round. round. If you want to give Hill the second round, that's fine. But so I don't, I don't think it's that. I'm just saying, I don't think it's that. A 49-46 does not reflect how close the fight actually was. Whether you went 49-46, 48-47, I still feel the right person won.

So, yeah, I think the judge has got it right. I do think it was at least three to two for Waterson. Casey, you look like you don't agree. You get your cheek on your hand. You look like you're about to explode here. Be gentle. You're like a volcano. Be gentle.

I bet you scored it for Angela Hill. Would that be my guess? just looking at your face right now? I'm as a reasonable fight fan and journalists watching a fight, it was, I don't understand Alex K. Lee. It was a mistake he's on this show right now. But, uh, no, um,

first of all, great fight. Great freaking fight. Just, um, phenomenal fight. $50,000 is, fight a night bonus doesn't do it justice. Just an awesome fight. Everyone that said this fight sucked as the main event, they suck.

And just an awesome fight by both ladies, first of all. I did have it for Angela Hill. I think I had it like most reasonable people. I had one, two, and five for Angela Hill. And, of course, I guess three and four for Michelle Waterson. I scored it for Waterson. I thought Hill won the first two rounds. I thought Waterson won the last three.

Michelle made adjustments. started punching a lot more, which seemed to turn the momentum a little bit. But, man, Angela is still game. She was still there. She did kind of slow down a little bit, which she admitted in the post-fight press conference. But it was understandable.

It was her first UFC made event. But again, I want to make something very clear here, even though Angela Hill lost the fight again, and she's done this time and time again over the last year, 18 months. She belongs in these types of opportunities, these types of headliner fights. She's one of the best 115 pounds in the world.

I thought she won the game. Adalia fight clearly. And if you scored this one for Angel Hill like Casey did, I am mad at you, but what a great, great fight that was. And hats off to both ladies for just a tremendous battle. And for those watching right now, just a reminder, if you have questions, thoughts on these two cards tonight, leave in the chat.

We'll turn it over to you all very soon. But let's flip to the other channels, shall we? The main event of Bellator, 246, the final Paramount event for the promotion. We have a brand-new Bannon & & Way champion of the world. Juan Archiletta, that championship grit pays dividends. He lost the first two rounds, was in some dangerous spots,

but he gets it done. So, Casey, let's start with you. Your thoughts on the main events over at Bellator at Mohegan Sun, Juan Archeletta, finally a major promotional world champion. Oh, I thought it was just, I mean, overall, it's just an entertainment fight. It didn't beat out Waterson Hill,

but it was just, I thought it was a great high-level main event, and Archilette just showed that experience, man. Like, I thought, I picked Mix, and I picked Mix to win second round submission. And, I mean, it wasn't the craziest pick, but Archilettar got through it, and props to him. And then once, I don't know if Mix had an adrenaline dump or those body shots really were paying big dividends, like the commentators were saying. But, man, Archelaidea looked great. And he uses that big ass belmontia. to a round cage perfectly.

The way he was just circling out and the way he just, um, Mix just couldn't couldn't get him in a good spot to get a takedown or get a leg or dragging him to the ground. And, um, archelaide's gas tank is just just top, top level. And, um, yeah, when those

rounds three through championship rounds kicked in, oh my goodness, he was just, he got even stronger. Just a great fight. And congratulations to want Archeletta. Yeah, I honestly, I think if people had issue with the 4946 for Waterson. I think they have more of an issue of

4946 for Archelaida. I thought that was weird. Mix clearly won the first two rounds and then Archeleta won the last three. But it was a great fight and, you know, great for Water Arturlotta to get the win. And at the same time for Patchy Mix, this is a fight he absolutely needed to have in his young so he's going to grow and learn a lot from this fight. A.K., what did you think of the Bellator main event and the new champ?

Casey mentioned it, and it's something you and I emphasized when we were doing the preview for a lot of this weekend's fights, experience really, really matters. Mix is insanely talented. I mean, again, you saw that in the first two rounds. Like, this kid is just a killer, especially with the grappling. But even when it came to the standup, he wasn't like out of his element. You know, he was just dealing with a guy who has more, again, more five-round experience,

is more used to different scenarios on the feet. So, you know, Archelaide outlastin. That's what champions do. Always, always, what are they, never underestimate the heart of a champion. And Archelaida was not the champion going to this fight, but like we said, he's had that experience going to tough fights, both on the winning end and on the losing end, and he showed it. I only wish that my Toronto Raptors had shown the heart of a champion and their loss the Boston South team. I'm kidding. I'm, but they played hard, but they lost. So that was just

my, it's why I just slipped the Raptors, the Raptors in there. Still very proud of them, but they did lose. But no, Archeletta, I thought, really showed why he deserved a spot to be against slotted into one of the two spots for the vacant title. I think, and I'll lend my with this, I think that he is one of the top 10 bantam weights in the world. Oh. Interesting. I don't know. I thought that was, I thought this for granted.

He absolutely is. He absolutely is. I think you ask for average person, they'll still need some convincing. But this is, if this is your first time to archelette, I would say you. You're on the UFC. You know, that's all.

Nah, he absolutely is the top 10. We have to let people. We have to let him. Yes. I would put him in my mythical rankings I always talked about it on to the next one. I would put him eighth in the world right now. I put him eighth in the world.

So I have him just ahead of Corey Sandhagen and a fighter who I think is actually very similar to Jimmy Rivera. And I have him behind. This is controversial. People might put him above this guy. I have him behind Dominic Cruz and then Cody Garbrand, Pedro, Munoz, Frankie Edgar, and the top three at the top three at the top. So I have him solidly in the top ten. That is an interesting point right there.

I would like to get the viewers' opinions on that. that. So if you think Warn Archerleta is the top 10 Bannamweight in the entire world, leave it in because Bannamweight is just so good. Like both companies, even like around the world, 1.35 is just awesome. Just an awesome division. Just loaded with talent.

And congratulations to Warn Archer-Leta. Right before Archelada became the champion, Neiman Gracie submits John Fitch in what turned out to be the final fight for John Fitch. The guys had a long career. He's 42 years old. He's fought Eric. everybody and Neiman Gracie gets this just painful looking submission.

It was like a double submission. Yeah. It was pretty nasty. But hats off, great career for John Fitch. Casey, I want to start with you. I mean, you've been covering John Fitch longer than any of us have. What's kind of your overall thoughts on his retirement and the memory he's kind of left upon you as a fighter in the sport? Um, I, I really appreciate John Fitch as a fighter.

I think, um, even though, yeah, his fighting style. isn't the most entertaining, but that's what mixed martial arts is. You know, we need those type of grinders, you know, in the sport. Because that's just, everyone can't be, you know, just, you know, everyone can't be Douglas Lima. Everyone can't just be Kamar Usman. I mean, that's what makes the sports for fun. There's all these different types of styles. And the fact that John Fitch has been fighting at a very high level for this long, you know, great, great.

And if he wants to move on in life, good for him. And yeah, but man, what a submission? Holy. I think it was like inverted hill hook and a knee bar. I was like, good Lord. It was like, and even like when, when Fitch tapped, he kind of like, I was like, oh, you got me. That was, that was pretty awesome. That was pretty slick, you know.

It's just, that's just, no, a veteran move, you know, just like, well played, well played, Mr. Gracie. And, no, I just, yeah, I've always enjoyed John Fitch. And I haven't necessarily enjoyed his fights, but I just enjoyed just the variety that he brings to this sport. I had one issue with that whole thing. And that issue is, Neiman Gracie should have got the first interview. He should have got the first interview. Like, I know, let Neiman Gracie reflect in the victory, talk about the win, submitting a guy like John Fitch who's been in many title fights. He's fought the who's who.

Let him have his moment and then throw it to John and let him retire and answer those questions. I thought you kind of took the shine from Neiman in that moment. But maybe they talked about it before. Maybe Neiman's like, you go first. That's something Neiman would definitely do. but I kind of didn't like that. But overall, I mean, great win for Neiman Gracie. Congratulations.

Happy trails to John Fitch as he moves on to the next step of his professional life, AK, what are your thoughts on the fight, Neiman Grace's performance, and then ultimately John Fitch calling it a career. First on Neiman's performance, again, something we mentioned in our previews when we were talking about this, is how is he going to bounce back from his first loss? And I was very optimistic that the matchup,

you know, a potentially grappling heavy matchup, would bring out the best to Neiman Gracie to, of course, as an absolute artist on the mat. And it did. Like I said, we saw that finish. The way he set it up was just gorgeous. Even Fitch, like, Fitch could almost see it coming well ahead of time, but couldn't do anything about it.

It was almost like once the fight got to a certain point, you're already a dead duck. I mean, you can fight it, but that's the mission is coming. And he knew it. And thankfully, tapped out before, you know, any serious damage was done. So passed his, past the test was blind colors, the test of how does a undefeated guy react to a very, very humbling first loss. So he looked great. And he beat a guy in John Fitch, who again fought Roy McDonald, the guy who beat Gracie,

to a very competitive draw not too long ago. So great job by Gracie. Fitch is the ultimate wet blanket. And I mean that as a compliment, I think, as Casey kind of mentioned, you know, he wasn't always a guy who people were looking forward to, but you always knew he could compete with pretty much anybody at 170 pounds and win. And this is not a guy who was a physical marvel. This is not a guy who was a star wrestler.

It's well documented that in college. he was actually a very mediocre amateur wrestler. And a lot of his opponents kind of used that, kind of took a dig at that until they got in the cage with him. And he smothered them for 15 minutes. So he knew how to MMA wrestles. Probably one of the best MMA wrestlers of all time. And he beat guys like Paul Daly,

Tiago Alves twice. You know, guys who on paper are like Diego Sanchez, guys who seem physically more impressive than him. And yet he found a way to win. He fought for a UFC title, which is great. He fought GSP, went to a decision with him. And then he won a World Series of Fighting title, which is nice, you know, beat Josh Berkman.

So it was, or did Josh Berkman? No, that was like the other way around. I apologize. Yes, that was the, he got choked unconscious by Josh Berkman. I apologize. He took a big shot. Yeah, you got hit hard, yeah. Yes.

Well, I had to look at that stuff just now. I'm sorry, he beat, so wow Zeparino, but still held the title. And then won a, one a grappler's delight match between with Jake Shields, which was kind of an uneventful fight, as you can imagine. So I think people should look fondly on his career. Not necessarily, again, kind of like Casey mentioned, they're probably not going to look at his fights as classics and at any time there's no point they're going to go back i'm going to watch like five or six john fish fights really you know uh just make my day that's probably not going

to happen but uh he definitely holds a a notable uh place in in mary history if there's one fight you probably should watch with john fitch watch the paul daily fight that pretty much defines who he is as a fighter how opponents view him as a fighter because he had paul daily all sorts of frustrated yelling at the referee all night it was hilarious kate what do you want to say actually I want to say, if you want to watch, to me, watch a definitive John Fitch victory, go back in the UFC Fight Pass and go to UFC 153. That was the first big pay-per-view back in Brazil. John Fitch fought at that time a very, very high-level prospect named Eric Silva.

And that was supposed to be Eric Silva's... It was supposed to be a bit of a showcase fight. I think he was like maybe not the co-main event, but definitely a featured fight in the pay-per-view. And Eric Silva put a weapon on Fitch that first round, but then Fitch came back. and then put a weapon on Silva. And actually, did he actually finish him? No, he won by, he won it winning by decision.

But I remember being in the arena sitting in Press Row for that. And it was just, I thought, it was, I don't know what it was for me. It made it, I don't know what it was, but I just remember that moment. It was just a very spectacular feeling. Just so, because I think at that point that night, all the Brazilians were winning. It was crazy. Especially, you remember the very early UFC pay-per-views there in Brazil. It was just nuts.

And then for this American guy just to just smother this guy and just beat their crap out of Eric Silva and just kind of take that enthusiasm out of like the 20,000 people are there. It was just like, oh, this is so John Fitch. I love it. Here comes the wet blanket. Here comes the wet blanket. You wet. John Fitt's just won.

And you're wet. That is the only time he won a fight of the night bonus in a victory in the O.C. So he only won two fight of the night bonus is one for the GSP fight, which he lost pretty lopsided decision. and then as Casey mentioned, the Eric Silva fight. So there you go. There you go. There's some homework for everybody. If you want to look back on the great career of John Fitch,

happy trails to you, sir. We appreciate all you've done for a great sport. Co-man event for the UFC, Otman Azitar finished his combo worthy in just over 90 seconds. That guy is just a piston, man. He just gets right in your face and starts throwing bombs. He's super aggressive. He's only got one speed.

But good Lord. Good fight. Good finish. gets it done. Let me ask you this, okay, do you agree with the stoppage? Because comma worthy was done too pleased, he got up and I don't know, like at points I thought he was like

kind of wobbling around, but at other points, I'm like, oh, he looks okay. Like, was it a good stoppage? Yeah, if we're going to, look, if we're going to come down on referee or Dean for his questionable stoppages, of which there have been many, by the way. I'm not letting him off the hook for any of his other, some of the mistakes he's made this year. Let's also point out

when he does well. So this was, I think, I thought, a very good professional stoppage. Common Worthy, if people watch the replay, he was not defending those shots. He didn't even have a hand-up, not proven position. He was eating some very, very, very hard shots to the head. So I have no problem with Dean getting in there intervening. And they showed a little footage after of Worthy and Zaitar looking at the screen after. And it looks like Worthy kind of nodded to him like, oh, like you got me.

Like I have a feeling Worthy does not remember a lot of what happened there and probably after seeing the footage. I don't think he had as much of a problem with the stoppage. I was shocked the way that that Kamala worthy approach that fight I knew he likes to get in these bras and start swinging wild at times but especially after watching Luis Pena fight

I thought he'd be a lotical about it but he was just like nope let's just get in there and swing and bang and have some fun so he told you he didn't a DJ he didn't a DJ he don't care about records he told you that's right it was good for Ka I mean Kamala will be back he's an exciting fighter

but Atman I guess Casey is going to move on to fight Island. Dana White said it at the post-fight scrum. They don't have an opponent just yet, but they're going to try to book them on Fight Island for one of these cards. So me and A.K. are going to get into the matchmaking on Monday morning for everybody to check out, but what

would you like to see next for Mr. Azitar after that victory tonight on Fight Island? First of all, great stoppage by Mr. Herb Dean. He gave a, excellent chance to recover. And like AK said, when he went down on the ground, his arms

were not up and those were just it was a good it was a very good stoppage very good stoppage um no I would love to see op man fight um fellow um winner tonight Mr. Bobby Green ooh that's a good one

actually as soon as that fight was done I was like I was like he's a lightweight right I said okay Bobby Green that's the fight I want to see so I want to see Bobby Green in the in the cage again and yeah that's the fight that's an interesting one I actually, I have one in mind. I'm going to say it for Monday.

That I think is really, really good. That will fit the Fight Island theme, international matchup, but we'll get to that on Monday morning. But I would say this. But, man, how do you say this? You know, this guy is going to be on big cards, so I need to memorize his name right. Azatar.

A Zitar. A Zytar. Okay. Mr. A Zaitar, he fights in a style that I could name any dude in the world who weighs 155 pounds, and it will be an exciting fight. I think he's just one of those guys. So, yeah, I can name anyone of it.

That's a good fight, yeah. So he's an exciting personality and obviously an exciting finisher and fighter. So, yeah, let's see who's going to be that first fighter to really figure him out. So he gets $50,000 for his win. Kevin Krum, what a story that was. It finishes Roosevelt Roberts in a matter of seconds.

Biggest underdog on the card. What a story he is. We're working on him for what the heck, so we'll hear more of that story. and then the fight of the night, obviously, was the main event between Michelle Watterson and Angela Hill. But you know what?

Let's throw it to the peeps. I know they have thoughts. They have a lot in their mind. I know there's other big stories, which I'm sure is going to be asked about. So, might as well just let the peeps dictate and we'll go from there. Let me see what we got here.

Busy weekend here in M.MA. We want to hear from the peeps. There's a lot of reactions on Twitter, a lot of positive reactions to the main event. And the Ed Herman. Did we talk about the Ed Herman, Mike Rodriguez thing? I'm sure we will at some point.

Yeah, that's, yeah. Okay. We'll get to, I know the people want to know. We'll definitely get to it. Whether you guys ask about it or not, we will get to it for sure. I'm sure we're going to talk about it. Yes. Oh, hey, hey.

Hmm. Vegas honor the Herman bets. That's a great question. Yeah, we'll have to go to our Herman sources. I would, I, oh, wait, did Vegas honor the Herman bet? I mean, definitely. Yeah, yeah. It was a joke, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Oh, Mary Chang. hilarious. All right. So, I mean, she opened the door for us,

so we might as well talk about it. I mean, if you didn't watch the car and you're watching this to kind of figure out what happened, here's kind of what happened. Mike Rodriguez was tuning up Ed Herman for several minutes throughout that fight. At one point, he has him against the cage. He lands two big knees to the body,

and Ed Herman just collapses to the mad. And Chris Tione, the referee, comes in. Looks like he's going to stop the fight. He delays. it and then says time and Mike Rodriguez looks and he goes time the hell are you talking about says it's a low blow he's giving Ed Herman five minutes. He didn't say low blow. He didn't say low blow. Do you know what he said? He said nuts. He said nuts. That's all right. Mike said what do you mean. He goes nuts. Mike goes back at his court and Ed Herman milks this thing. A plus acting job and

Hollywood. So the fight restarts. Rodriguez drops him again. Almost finished. finishes the fight again. Third round, Ed Herman's going for a takedown. Rodriguez starts landing elbows. Could have been stopped again. Still doesn't get stopped. Ed Herman ends up miraculously submitting Mike Rodriguez with a nasty Kimora to end the third round. All sorts of craziness. Dana White was pissed off as could be expected. I'll admit I was a little pissed off at how this all went down, but they are going to appeal. I did talk to Mike Rodriguez's manager, Tyson Chartier, so they are going to appeal. And then Dana White in the post-fight scrum said Rodriguez is still going to get his win bonus. So I asked his manager again, does this change anything? And he said,

no, we're still good to appeal. I'm happy we got the win bonus. So a lot to unpack here. Mike Rodriguez got the big fat screw job tonight, but he's still going to get his money. So I'm happy about that. So AK, your thoughts on this whole situation with Steve Mazagati, aka Chris Tione, according to Dana White. First, Al Mack, congratulations for cash in on Herman plus 380. Well done. Waxomist 1. Has Ed Herman come back one of the great. I mean, we've seen people come back from, you know, being down the scorecards. It's very rare. He sees them come back from actually being finished.

I would say the fight was technically over, except that it wasn't and somehow coming back to win the fight. I don't blame. There was another comment earlier. Do we blame Ed Herman for the way you handled it? Hell no. Absolutely. Hell no.

I think Luis Pena tweeted, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. And look, that's a very glib, somewhat cynical way to look at athletic competitions, to look at the fight game. But again, Herman just really, really took advantage. He was clearly hurt. Okay, that knee up the middle. When they showed the replay, all it showed was two things, that the knee, at least initially,

did not catch the cup at all. Some people said it maybe on the way, on the rebound, I might have glanced it. Even if that's the case, it was obvious that that knee was buried into Ed Herman's chest. And that is what did the damage. That landed clean. That was a fight-ending knee.

And Ed Herman was probably as surprised as anyone as to why the fight was paused. And then you heard the magic word of nuts and then said, okay, nuts. I will now grab my nuts and I will help Chris Tione sell the situation and to help myself, I believe take a full five minutes of rest and get back into this fight. So a little sneaky, but again, when you're in, look, Herman has been fighting for 17 years. There's a lot of stuff he's just doing instinctually. I don't think he makes a calculated deliberate decision to say, oh, I'm going to do this now after taking that need of the body. No, it's just everything is just happening.

he's reacting. He sees an opening, again, to rest, recover, and then pull off that miraculous finish a round later. So I don't take anything away from Herman. I feel incredibly bad for Mike Rodriguez. He was 100% Robin of victory. That was a second round TKL via need of the body, and he should have had a win tonight. Casey, what do you think?

I mean, have you ever seen anything like this in all of your years covering the sport like this? I can't remember anything quite like this. I don't remember the details. of it, but I remember how Josh Koshak was famously faked an eye poke, I think, or faked a knee on the ground years ago. But I don't think, but this was, this is by far the worst one. Dana White used to always say before every card, you know, every card has a holy shit moment, like something you've never seen before. You know, I think we've seen enough MMA now where we don't get a holy shit moment every single card now.

But to me, this was a holy shit moment because I don't think I've ever seen a fighter just during a fight, just deliberately cheat and then milk it. Milk it for five minutes. And I just never seen that. I don't. I've seen guys, oh, I got eye poked. And the ref's like, are you sure you got I poked? They're like, oh, yeah, I'm good, I'm good.

Or they spit their mouthpiece out, things like that. Or maybe they fake a nutshot, but he took five minutes off when he was getting, I just, ugh. And then, I know, I was bitching online. I was complaining on Twitter. Like, blah, blah, blah. And people were like, oh, what's that everyone supposed to do? I was like, you know, you get the W. You know, it's like, you know what?

get the W, but then in the post-fight interview, go, yeah, whatever, yeah, it was in the groin air, you know, he did that whole, like, I don't know, did it hit me in the balls? I'm not sure. Like, bro, if Michael Rodriguez puts a knee in your groin, you are going to know it. It is not, there's no, like, I don't know. It's like, I'm just, I got into mixed martial arts because I thought this was about honor and integrity, guys. I'm just so, I'm just, um, I'm just, maybe, um, I'm just a little heartbroken about the sport. So if Anthony Smith had taken the title that night, you would have been okay with that?

AK? Yeah, absolutely. Would you see? No, I would have been hard. But that was a legit one, though. People remember the people remember winners. Okay, look, Vitor Belfort to this day is still referred to as a former UFC light heavyweight champion. And that is one of the biggest weirdest fluke victories ever.

The cut, he opened up a cut on, from the glove, a seam of the glove opened a cut on Randy Couture's eyelid. And the fight had to be stopped. And it was not a no contest. It was ruled a TKO victory for Vitor Belfour. And Vitor Belfort's a great fighter who has this amazing resume and can now kind of tack on champion on there. Do people care every time it's mentioned up how it happened? No, they don't care. I'm on the Anthony Smith thing.

I'm on both sides of it. I 100% respect they didn't take it. I actually love that about them. But at the same time, if he had, I would have thought it was great, too. I would have, like I say, it would have been a nice feather in his cap for his career. He would have gotten another big fight with John Jones. So really, he should have done it. But I don't think he regrets not doing it.

I don't think anyone who's a fan of his should regret that he didn't do it. You know, it's just one of those funny kind of footnotes, what ifs, right? And I guess that's sort of what this Ed Herman situation is, too. You know, you have to feel a little bit happy for Ed Herman, if only because he struggled so much to even just get in the caves this year through no fault of his own, opponents dropping out, testing positive for COVID. So he said himself, he had like no paycheck for like six months or something. So at least from the UFC, I'd just say. So it was good at least to see him get in there and get his win bonus.

And also nice to know Mike Rodriguez is too. It sucks that he has to have a loss in his record, but at least he's getting paid as well. It'll be interesting to see once this appeal goes down if it actually gets overturned. I know things, the majority of the time, do not get overturned, most of the time. Very few examples of things getting overturned, but this will be interesting, I think. But Ed Herman must have watched Belleter 245 to get his acting skills going on, because there were some gnarly nut shots on that card. Man.

The Raymond Daniels fight was so bad. Go ahead. No, I just want props to UFC and Dana White for paying Riega's his win bonus, though. I will take credit for it because I actually tweeted at Dana White, So I think he saw my tweet. I was like, Mr. White, it'll be very generous of you if you pay Mr. Rorwega's his win bonus because he won that fight. I appreciate it as a fan. And I think he said, I think he saw it.

I was like, this is the Otter Pops guy, right? The Otter Pops guy who's always trying to get on the broadcast. He's like, I feel so bad. We've never had this guy on. I should really take his suggestion to make up for all the brilliant tweets of his that have not been featured on our broadcasts. You tried so hard tonight to get on the broadcast, too. You tried so hard. I was just waiting for it.

Just never had. All right. What else we got so much, so much to talk about. What a crazy night. Just because I see this right now, this is from last night. Thoughts on Katzengano. I personally thought she looked off. I mean, she even admitted that it wasn't a great performance.

It wasn't a perfect fight. But, you know, it was her first fight in a long time. First fight in a new promotion. She fought a very tough, scrappy fighter that is, nearly impossible to finish, who's been in there with some of the best 45ers in the world. She had been, I mean, it's been a long time. The last fight she had was that crazy fight with Megan Anderson that ended in such a bizarre way. And then she's gone through all these different things in her life.

And to finally get back in there, I'm sure there were a lot of nerves and a lot of things in her mind. So I think I would attribute it to that. And she knows she's got some things to work on. She's going to go back to the drawing board, as she said. And she's going to try to improve and get better. But, you know, if she fights Leslie Smith or fights Julia Budd in her next fight, which both of those could be potential options, we'll see how she bounces back from there. But to outlast a scrappy, scrappy, tough girl like Gabby Holloway last night, the way that she did after that amount of time off, I thought it was a pretty good performance. And anybody else want to give their thoughts on Katz performance last night?

Again, I'll admit I actually did not get to see that fight. Again, I was too busy watching my Raptors blow a game seven. But the optics of it are, I understand, are difficult for people. I'm sure people will see, oh, this is her debut fight. They lined her up with, you know, relatively unknown fighter and Gabby Holloway. Why did she not, whatever, so submit her or knock her outside the first round? Like I said, Holloway, really tough fighter. And secondly, again, this is Kat's first fight in almost two years, December 2018, her last fight.

New promotions. So kind of changes there. And, of course, her first fight of the COVID era. So a lot of things working against her. again, not to make excuses. Again, we said she herself has already admitted. She knows it wasn't her best performance. But yeah, I think facing a higher level of competition

will cause her to step up her game. I don't think we've seen the last of really primes in Ghana. Yeah, I do think she has some really good performances left in her. So it's unfortunate, yeah, people may have been a little disappointed by her belt to her debut, but I think she can only go up from there. Casey? She's going up. This is only her second fight.

At 45, right? Her first fight was Megan Anderson, right? Correct. Yeah, so it's only a second fight in 45. When she fought Megan Anderson, the fight ended like in two minutes when her eyeball got sliced with a toenail. Yes. So we can't even count that as any actual in-cage experience. So, and then obviously the COVID promotional change, she's had lots of health issues outside of the cage.

And she still won on two judges' cards 3027. Against a woman that came in heavy, too. So let's... True. Oh, yeah. So, Katzengan, why she didn't look like, oh, she's going to smash cyborg, no one thought that. I thought it was fine. It was a Katsingana fight against a...

I think Katzen Gano just actually has to put more muscle on or something, or maybe go back down to 35, because if she wants to fight at the highest level. But unfortunately, actually, Belator doesn't... Yeah, Betelort doesn't have a 35 division for some weird reason. But it was a performance and a win, and I wouldn't put too much, I don't know, I wouldn't raise too many red flags about Zangana's performance. Yeah, and Liz Karmouche got her debut win tonight would be a submission. So good on her. Thank you for the question.

Dr. Allen Grant, don't get eaten by any dinosaurs. That's awesome. Spoiler. Thank you for, oh, spoiler, sorry. I didn't. I didn't. The dinosaurs are in a park. It's safe.

Everything's safe. He survives, Casey. Okay, okay. We've all seen it. This isn't really a question, but just... It's not a question, but... A lot of love for Sabina Mazo. Finally, gets that big finish.

Lands that patented head kick and turns into a rear naked choke starts off the night in a big way. That fight was a lot of fun. Like, it was pretty much the way I laid it out on the preview show, but Mazzo gets the finish. Big win for her. What'd you think, Casey?

That was a fun one. Oh, I'm a big fan of Sabina Mazo. I actually am a big fan of Justine Kish. I'm very happy she's at 125 now, because I know a lot of her early UFC fights were at 115 and she just didn't look good and um no but i think as being maza looked great and um i thought it was um yeah the great high kick and finish up the choke good on her i can't wait to see her fight again yeah for sure oh man where where where we put her like i'm trying to think

like in the division is she like kind of right outside the top 15 just because she's a prospect i guess kind of right outside that top 15 or easy easy easy fight this is an easy matchmaker oh you got one Mazo Mazo versus Lipski is the fight to make. That's the only fight to make. I like it. What do you think, A.K. Is he muted?

Okay, AK, you're muted. Oh, sorry. I was muted. I was drinking water. People do not need to hear me drink water. They may want to. Some people enjoy that sort of thing, but I'm not, you know,

that's on my only fan. You have lots of comments about your water drinking later. That's my only fans.com if you want to hear the sound of me drinking water. That's on there. That's part of it. I thought she looked great.

I love, there's so many things to like on Molloll. For one, she has the gimmick. She came in, you know, off these two like into the UFC into these two like insanely exciting head kicks. So, of course, she comes to the UFC and the reputation is, oh, she's going to be kicking everyone's head off. That's not always how these things work out. She lost her first fight. But rather than see her hype train derails, she just bounced back with three really, really good performances.

The Alder's fight was really entertaining, probably, you know, it was a closer fight than the Dobson one. But she really showed, again, why she's so highly touted. And then, of course, by the time you get to that, now that fourth UFC fight and, you know, the last win of this streak, sorry, this current, you know, last win for now, you want to see a finish. And that's exactly what she's delivered. And she was spamming those head kicks. You know, Justin Keach is just too tough for her own good. You know, I'm sure her coroner was screaming, watch the kick. But Justin Keith's great chin, you know, so she's like, oh, I'll just take it. I'll just take it. I'll take it. And she was getting kicked the body. She's getting kicked the head. From the first round to the last, she was eating head kicks. I don't know if I've seen someone to flyweight to take how many head kicks. And of course, it was just one. too many by the end. So Mazzo is just great, great leg power and heard her and got to finish. So so much to like with Mazdo, very young. She's only, I think, 23 years old, a great representative of Columbia. So, yeah, nothing but good things ahead. I love the idea of the Lipski matchup. I think she was one of the stars in the night on a night where a very eventful, U.S. Vegas 10 event, I think she was one of the stars of the show.

I agree. That was the first time Justin Kitch has been finished in her career as well. Really? In her amateur days. Wow. First finish, first time. She's lost a split decision in the enemy decision in the UFC, and then that was the first time she was finished. So good on her. Great performance for Sabina.

I think her and Lipski is the fight to make at this point. No issues of that. I don't know if we actually said this, but did we talk about this? Warrior bonus for today's fights from each promotions. I don't think Bellator does bonuses. No, they don't do it. But did we announce the UFC bonuses? We did.

I'm sorry. Very quick at the beginning. Yeah, Kroom, Kevin Krum. Atman is Zaitar, and then the fight of the night was the main event between Michelle Waterson and Angela Hill. Well deserved. Well deserved. I know sometimes people roll their eyes when it's always the main event always seems

to get it by default. But this was definitely a night where there was multiple, I think, worthy fight of the night candidates. And this one clearly stood head and shoulders. I think it's one of the best fights of the year. I think it's, you know, for people who are critical of, not critical, but I'll just straight up say it, haters of WMMA, of women's MMA, you're going to look real foolish by the end of this year because I think third.

Three of the top ten fights are women's MMA fights. I mean, number one is probably going to be Yawanna Yad Jacek and Zhang Wei Li. I think this fight is absolutely up there, Michelle Waters and Angela Angela-Ga-Ras-A-Ras-Hik. And of course, Lisa Versosa and Julius Stolier-Renko from that same, the Zhang Y'all J-Jic weekend. So that's for me, it's three locks right now, if I was making my list, say, three locks from my top ten. I don't know how the top five is going to look, but I think Stoli-Ranko-Varzosa and Zhang and J-Jek are in there. So awesome fight tonight. And Dana-Way also said,

during the post-fight press conference after he announced the bonuses that all the guys and gals who got finished this tonight we're going to get some extra extra cashola as well. Let's make that the norm. Can we just say if you get a finish, you are immediately like $50,000? Obviously, you know, there can be discretion

if it's a controversial finish. But otherwise, I think if you get a clear cut finish, automatic extra 50 Gs. Or I mean, I would say more than that. but let's start small before we start changing everything in the UFC because they are not going to do that. So, yeah, 50 grand if you get a finish. I hope everyone gets at least something close to that for the hard work they put in today. Do you need drink some water, AK?

I'm a little parched, but now I'm self-conscious about it because we've talked about it so much. And again, I have to now, again, onlyfans.com slash AK Lee, 2999 a month. And you will get to see such things, hear such things as me drinking water. and I will even give you a peak of my rankings. Oh, man. If you know what I'm saying. I don't even know these.

And by rankings, I mean rankings. Great. Now we can't monetize this. Way to go. Jeez, guys. We have the stats, by the way, from the Waterson Hill fight. UFC stats, the official UFC stats, I believe, yes. So, before you read the stats,

remind the viewers and let's remind the viewers, who you scored the fight for, especially round five? I scored the fight for Waterson. And how did you score round five? I also scored for, I gave her two, three, four, and five. All right. Now read the stats. Okay.

The stats are very, very close. Nope. They are, no, they're very close. They're slightly favorable towards Hill. Okay. But it's total significant strike counts 131 to 128 for Hill. That's overall. Hill won rounds

1, 2, and 5 It's just significant strikes The first one, 26, 21, round 1, 33, 31, round 2, 39, 37, round 5. So this is how narrow these rounds are. This is why I really feel like, regardless of how you scored it, this fight was close. The two rounds, Watterson won 13 to 11, round 3,

26, 22, in round 4. So round 3, one of the ones which I think most people thought, Waterson won was actually also super close. She was won for 18 on takedowns, so not a spectacular number. And Casey, you're not going to like this. I think the sheer volume may have won Waterson. The decision total strikes, 361 to 278.

And that's just attempts. That's just attempts, not percentage. She actually landed a fairly low percentage. So sorry, Casey. Volume. I think volume may have won the day, unfortunately. Uh, you said. Just waiting to get the reaction.

Those are the numbers. I will not... Was round three the very dominant realm of Michelle when she had Angela Hill down on the ground? Was that round four? Yeah, that was round three. And that's what it seemed like. But again, significant strikes is 13 to 11. Though total strikes, it was the biggest...

Total strikes, it was the clearest round by far 36 to 18 for Waterson. Every other round was neither fighter landed no more of a difference than five total strikes between them. So that was quote-unquote the most dominant round. I really feel every round was, except for maybe round three was fairly close. I have no problem with the Angel Hill scorecard either. I just saw, I thought that Waterson edged out four of the five. It's a good fight. It's great fight.

Awesome fight. Excellent fight. What else we got? Do do, do, do, do, do, do. Billy Corantillo should fight Alex Casaris or the winner of Hakeem and Zabira. I like all those options. You got to take these notes. We got to take these notes for onto the next one.

Yep. Get to steal these ideas, not give this guy any credit. Although I already booked Alex Casares to fight Lorone Murphy on Fight Island. He's off the list. He's off the list. You know, we haven't got, because there was so many fights tonight, a fight that we haven't got any questions about, but I want to talk about is Ms. U.Banks versus the raging panda. That was a great fight. That was a great fight.

There's, obviously got 10-8ed in the second round, and people still thought it was like, this is the best fight of the night so far. And it was a good fight. Aviola just is like, she's such a wild woman. She's such a wild woman. Just gets in there and just throws bombs. And at the beginning of that first round, I was like, oh, boy, this is going to be just like the Mazzani fight. Like, she started landing those shots. She's charging forward that ha, ha, ha.

But Eubanks, great performance. She, I think if there's any fighter on either of these cards tonight that flew under the radar more. I can't think of one who flew under the radar more than Shadari Eubanks. Everyone thought that Avalos was just going to go. go in there and do her thing and just use UBanks as a stepping stone, so to speak, to get to a top 10 fight. But UBanks, well done. I mean, that was a great for her. She's getting better, and she's definitely, 1.35 is definitely the place for her to be.

No doubt about that. Yeah, I thought, I actually, I thought, I thought U banks, I don't remember if she, if I thought she won, but I thought maybe I did think, I thought she beat, I think, Aspen Ladd maybe a year or so ago. It was a really close time. It was a very close, fine. I remember, I think, I thought Eubanks was going to get smoked in the, that fight, but I was like, man, UBanks got hands. But, God, I just, for Julia, I just really feel like, it kind of sucks that, that 20-second

victory she had over Mazani a few months back. I think that actually hurt her in the sense that she needed more cage time, and I think that's what hurt her in this fight. She just hasn't had enough time in that UFC Octagon, because once you've gotten deep waters, yeah, UBanks has just had more experience than the UFC. It really showed. Man, but that second round when Avila's just thrown those hammers, and then she throws that kick for no reason.

And once that, and then you makes it, I mean, you make it like, yoink, took that kick and grabbed and took her down, and then everything changed. Because up to that, Avila was actually winning that first, I don't know, minute of that fight. And I just wonder what would happen if Avila didn't throw that kick because she was doing so good in the stand-up, just of her hands. But, hey, Sarge is great.

I can't wait to. Actually, I can't wait to see both of them again. Yeah, I mean, you have to imagine, and Julia didn't really play this off like it was a big deal in any of our conversations, but she's had more changes to her fights than like anybody I can think of over the last year. Just the road to get to this fight tonight,

she's booked with Nico Montagnos three different times on three different dates on two different countries and then finds out that she's not going to Abu Dhabi anymore and takes a fight nine days later. Like it has to affect you in some way, especially when you're ramping up camps, then you have to stop them. They have to ramp it up again, and then you stop them. Then you have a new date, and you have to scientifically plan it out in a certain way, so you peak at the right time, and then you fight nine days later. Like, that has to have something to do with it.

And I'm not making excuses for Julia, or not taking anything away from Shajara, because I thought Shajara's game plan was absolutely perfect. and she deserved that win tonight, and she looked great. That's a huge win over someone with a lot of hype and a lot of momentum. So, Sajara, Ubank is in great shape right now, and I think whatever shine Julia had and whatever kinds of fights they were looking for her,

if she had beat Sajara, I think you get to put Sajara in that spot. If you're going to bump Julia to a top 10 fight, I think Chajara deserves a top 10 fight now after that performance tonight as well. Avila remains a talented and lovable dork. I believe it was on your show. I don't know if it was on your show, Mike, I think that she said the line about there will be blood.

But it won't, but it won't be my. Like she had to clarify, oh, there will be blood, not my blood, which is such, it's such, again, if you've ever seen a Julia Avala thing to do. Like, I just want to make this clear. There's going to be blood, mostly hers. Maybe some of mine, but mostly hers, which is, you know, her way of saying I'm going to win the fight. And I'm trying to be a badass, I guess, which is, she doesn't really fit that profile. But she certainly fought like a badass today, as did you banks, because you mentioned guys, like, some of those exchanges on the feet were just the very first one, right in front of the camera, just,

you could, those, they were just banging. Yeah, right, right. Exactly. It was like they were hitting pads, like the pads of each other's heads. Yeah. And it really felt like one of them was going to drop. But Eubanks has an incredible chin, which is going to serve her very well in her UFC career, because, yeah, she can take, weather the storm.

There might be strikers who are stronger than her, maybe technically better than her. But as long as she can kind of withstand those flurries, she's going to be able to go to the ground. I think she's going to have an advantage against a lot of people. So, U-Banks looked really, really good tonight. And again, as I said, kind of with Mazzo, U-Banks came in with a lot of hype. It was very much diffused by issues making way to 125

and then some losses she took. But people are very high on her. And back-to-back wins now. You see why. So it's always nice to see people kind of bounce back from that initial hype and kind of build it back in front of our eyes again. And then shouting out the fine folks of Western Massachusetts.

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, buddy. Oh, my gosh. Springfield stand up. Those ladies with Mark Henry, they seem to have a pretty solid group. Was it, Claudia Gidella? Chagian. Chagin.

Yeah, so they got 15, 25, and 35, you know, all very, very talented to ladies. So Mark Henry is doing a very good job with them. Who's the, what's her name? Why is it? Aaron Blanchfield's there too. Oh, she's there too? Okay. Yeah.

Is she fighting for the Invictor title or is it? or has she's yeah she's fighting um pro gonzales oh that's a great fight that's a good fight that's a bacon belt um that is a great fight and billy q too that guy is on a roll right now that fight was awesome it was between him and kyle and house it was great roxan versus grasso and i if they booked it i'd be fine with that i think it's a step back for roxan yeah i agree um unless i mean again and that's the danger of a savvy fight like Roxanne because like you would book this fight to try to put Alexa over. But Roxanne loves these kinds of fights where she could shut down those trains and shut down

that momentum. That plays right into Roxanne's hands. Grasso, who do we pick for Grasso? I feel like we had a really good, like we were set with her. Didn't we kill on the show? We had this. We had this. We picked a fight for her and dust her hands off.

Uh, someone else who fought recently. Was it, no, we didn't say, Not Macy Barber. We didn't want to see her five Macy Barbara, did we? I thought you picked, you might have picked Macy. I may have. What did you say? I don't remember.

It was like the, it was like, whatever, it was the obvious choice of what it was a week ago. We do so many of these. We should really watch our own show. I heard the show was good. I just, I just don't listen to it myself. I'm honest. I thought, I mean, I thought it was a no-brainer.

Was it Arujo? It might have been Arujo, right? Because they both won recently? Yeah, that's what it was. Sure. Yeah, that's what it was. That's exactly what the fight was. Who is next to fuck?

Who is next to fight next? She's fought almost everyone. Jessica, I? But I know Jessica's dealing with gallbladder stuff and things like that. I think that that makes sense. I think that's a good fight. I mean, that's really it. That's really like the only fight you could take right now.

Who's Caitlin Chigigan fighting? Jessica Andrage. I guess Roxy gets a winner of that fight. But I have a feeling though. It's funny, you guys mentioned, you know, that Grasso would be a step back. I have a feeling they may, they may continue to make, I think they view Roxy as a gatekeeper, unfortunately. perhaps somewhat fairly.

Let's be honest, she is a veteran. She has been around. She's fought everyone. People know her as a tough challenge, but I don't know how seriously they take her as a contender. And I feel like the matchmakers

probably view her that way as well. So unfortunately, I think while it's fun to maybe matchmaking and look at the top 15, I don't know if they are going to give her another top 15 opponent next. Though the division isn't like super deep. So, yeah, it could go either way.

But I can see them, again, I can see them kind of giving here another gatekeeper matchup. Andrew, ladies lost three, fights in a row. Close ones though, eh? Well, Lauren Murphy won, which pretty much most people thought she won. And then before the Jojo Coddwell, which was very close to.

And this fight was, I saw so many fights tonight. Actually, I kind of forgot this fight already. There is pretty... Nothing in Andrew Lee's last three fights tells me that she's not a top 15 flyway in the UFC. Let me put that way. I know the results aren't there. I know people are like, what do you mean? She's lost three straight fights.

That's all you need to point to. But again, it's very easy to just look at. the numbers. If you look at the performances, again, she was right there with Jojo. She's right there with Lauren Murphy. I thought she was right there for the most part with Roxanne Mautifaris. I think I scored the fight for Lee. Maybe I wasn't watched the fight closely enough. So maybe I was wrong there. But I thought it was certainly close enough to make to make to make an argument for it. So this could have easily been three split decisions losses in a row for Lee, which is, again, that just tells you to go either way. Does that now, again, that's not,

you know, that means she needs to make changes. Clearly, there's changes she needs to make to get over that hump. But she's still, I think is still a good fighter, very talented. And And some of you can keep matching out with people in the top of team. Maybe she doesn't want that. Maybe it's time to take a step back for her as well. But yeah, nothing tells me that she's not a potential contender in 2021. Sure. Thoughts on Vanessa Porto signed with Bel.

Brilliant. The UFC missed the boat. Big time. Belator scooped her right up. Like this is the biggest no-brainer signing they could have done. Yeah. How does that happen? How does, I thought there's like this very direct pipe.

from Invicta to the UFC. So I have to wonder, do we know if there was an, I guess we'll find out at some point. If there was an offer made from the UFC that wasn't to her liking, did Belter somehow make a better offer? Or did the UFC pass on her for whatever reason? I don't know, but it would seem strange that she wasn't on their radar and, you know, added to their roster. I could be wrong, but outside of Adam weights, which the UFC obviously doesn't have that weight class, I think the only Invicted champion that hasn't gone to the UFC

is Vanessa Porto and Sarah Kaufman. Hmm. And Sarah Kaufman obviously had fought for the UFC. So yeah, so really, right, just looking at a glance, does seem like it's just Porto. Yeah.

Our thoughts is clearly, our thoughts clearly is we're baffled. I think it's a great career signing for Belator. Yeah. A future opponent for Alie Wulay McFarland. Yeah. very probably might be the best opponent that she's lined up with uh and i i would be fine with her getting an immediate title shot if we're being honest sure yeah yeah she's she's earned

there's another there's another champion pam sorenson has not been signed i'm saying she's a 45 her how do they not sign her i don't get it we know why come on it's a we're talking with the ufc 145 division here it's not it's not a priority for them right but at least you got something for Christ's sake. What else we got? That's a deep cut. I like that. Yeah, but I didn't even, I didn't even thought of it.

You know, there's a lot of stuff happened this week, but. It's a great. Excellent signing. Yeah, a lot of people, you know, they get. Just Guy versus Roxy for the most award fighter, award winner gets on Rogan. Most award fighter. I, I, I, I, does not strike me as, has she mentioned wanting to be on Rogan? I don't.

I definitely did. She doesn't like doing interviews at all. Yeah. Yeah. Even her post-fight today, she just wanted to get out of there. Yeah. She's, I mean, she's a sweetheart, but, you know, you do so many interviews. I mean, what else can you be asked at this point, you know?

Yeah, she's too sweet for that show. Sorry, Joe, but I do think, I don't know if her personality would mesh with the usual tone of that show. I'm sure, I'm sure Joe would do a fine job of, of, uh, making her feel welcome. But, uh, I don't know. More I think about it now I really want to see. I don't watch any Joe Rogan, but I will watch Roxanne Modafari on Joe Rogan for the four two hours. He's done some very good fighter interviews.

I have to get, usually when he has fighters on, you're going to get stuff that you've never heard before. You know, there's that comfort level that fighters have with him that just do not have with almost any other interview around the planet. So, um, yeah, in that sense, sure, I'd like to see rocks. I, I think would be, would be way more for the stipulation and also would probably a much more, uh, headline worthy guest. I think we'd get some, we get some quotes out of that, should that happen.

Surely. Trying to be diplomatic about this. Bang, bang, crystal bang, Angela won, but here we are. I ain't mad at you for saying that. Yeah, not at all. Is Angela Hill, she's not officially part of the crystal crew, right?

Is she? I think she's a, I think she's, Honorary? Honorary, yeah. I think the crystal crew just, they're trying to get her in. I don't, I think she's been busy, training but now

she has a little time now she seems she seems too intelligent for that so that's why I didn't assume that she is part of the Crystal Cruise so I don't think so oh sorry oh why you drink some water or something how the Raptor and to go back to the Andrew Lee thing Andrea Lee versus Macy Barber is the fight to make

by the way that is the fight for Macy Andrea Andrea Lee yeah Andrea sorry I was saying yeah I think not Angela I was like oh I'm talking to Angela Hill No cross-promotion. I'm like, all right, let's do that. Yeah, I like it.

49 and 46, Watterson, that's ridiculous. A.K. explained yourself again. Well, who's who to do that? Sandy Fam. Sandy Fam. The rounds were close. I just read the stats. I don't know if Sandy Pham missed the stats.

The rounds are so close. If you're just looking at significant stats, which I think is more relevant than total strike. Actually, if you're looking at total strikes, it's actually better for Watterson than significant. Yeah, I thought the rounds were close. I think it's very hard for us to gauge how hard some of the hits actually are. Like I said, if you scored it,

Honestly, you could score at 4946 Hill, I think, and I wouldn't have a problem with it. So, but for me, I thought, I thought Waterson did enough to win rounds two, three, four, and five. Two certainly could have gone either way, but either way, I feel very comfortable as 48, 47, So for me, that round two is not a stretch. If you just, it's just one more round. I know it looks so much worse. 49, 46 sounds so much more dominant than 48, 47. I understand how it sounds, and I understand the optics of it.

But again, anyone who actually saw the fight will tell you, which rounds you Oh sorry that wasn't mentioned I'm sure San I guess we're not watching the fights with the same eyes as you are including you guys and including Sandy fam who asked the question we all saw the fight

and I think most people can see how close how close those rounds are so I don't think it's a robbery by any stretch and I don't think that 4946 is crazy me and Sal Diomato can take all the shots it's fine we've been in this business for a long time it's fine you know we're used to it but I don't think it's ridiculous

I think if people rewatch the fight, then they'll feel the same way too. Like, yeah, it's close. I don't even want to talk about the growing kick. So brutal. So brutal. Wax on this one, it was the greatest growing kick ever. I showed everyone who was around me at the time. I was like, even people who weren't interested in MMA, I was like, you got to see this.

The first one was so bad. The second one was the most brutal thing ever. Like, just hearing him, like, cry. Like, he was crying. And I don't blame him. The reaction was so, oh, what a beautiful picture. Thank you, Bellator photo. What a gorgeous, gorgeous photo.

Poor Peter Stonach. I've obviously, any entertainment I find from this, I feel so, so bad for him. Because that could be like a life-changing groin shot. And I know people are going to, yeah. I'm not sure there's a picture of him too, literally kind of crawling on the ground, throwing his mouthpiece out, pounding. the ground and frustration. And look, it was an accident,

but this was the second spin kick to the Nards, correct? Yeah, it was like within a minute. If you're Raymond Daniels, someone with so much experience kickboxing and in karate and just martial arts in general, you just can't have that happen.

I think he was very lucky to get away with a no contest. Again, I'll be honest, I didn't watch the whole fight, but just when I'm gathering from the situation, you have to control your weapons, right? The referees tell you in these situations after a foul, you've got to control your weapons. That is not controlling your weapon.

If you land a spin kick that area, you have to know that throwing that again is potentially a good doing it again. I know it's taking a very potent weapon off the table for Raymond Daniels, but you just can't do that. You know, you can't land a shot like that. I have so much sympathy for Stonautic. Normally, I'm very like...

Oh, sorry? Oh, I'll say normally... Davion Franklin versus Ross Hilton. I guess, I mean, Franklin won the first two rounds, and I guess in the third round, he landed a couple of shots. I didn't watch the fight, to be clear, but just going through Twitter,

apparently Damien Franklin started landing shots to the back of Ross Hilton's head, and the referee stopped the fight, and it went to a technical decision. For Franklin. For Franklin. Yeah. So that, was that the very first fight of the night?

Yeah, I thought they made the right call. It was, it was. It was very, if you watch the fight, I forgot the guy's name. Who's the guy that won? Franklin? Franklin. Yeah, Franklin. He was dominant. He was like 10 aiding that guy.

And basically, it was very similar to John Jones versus Matt Hamill in a sense that and since that Franklin was just beating the crap out of him top. And he just simply ran out of ideas. So he just, you know, and the guy in the bomb just turtled up. And then he just hit him one time in the back of the head. but wasn't like just out of nowhere it was just I was beating and beating beating him dude the guy's dead

and the ref is like he can take a couple more so eventually these guys just kind of run out of ideas and then that's what happened so it would have yeah it would have been like if Matt Hamill was defeating John Jones in a sense you know it was like we know who really won that fight but if you're wondering

what happened in that fight but going back to the groin shot normally I'm very like oh deducted point I can't believe you know they allow that but I actually sympathize with Raymond Daniels here because when he did throw that spin kick remember his opponent what was his opponent's name Raymond Daniels was a Stononic Stononic was also through a he I think he was southballing through a head kick but that kick actually kicked Raymond Daniels in the back when when Raymond Daniel was actually spinning to throw his own spin kick so by that just slight hit in the back

that was enough for that kick to Mr. and take a like how i think uh raymond anews said that's his grenade launcher and he took a grenade launcher you know right in the groin so um it was unfortunate but i i truly think it was just unfortunate and it wasn't there was it wasn't it wasn't really it was i wouldn't even say it's reckless it was just two guys throwing head kicks or two guys throwing kicks at the same time these things happen in a m mhm a one in a million doc one in a million that's uh that's sonotics That's the stenotic story for the rest of his life. Guys, you won't believe.

You know, someday, 30 years from now, people are talking about, man, this is the craziest screen screenshot I've ever seen. And Stenonaut will be like, let me tell you a story, my friends. Oh, but the howl, the bangin on the mat. Oh. I was like, it was. Terrible. Yeah.

I want to see the cup. That cup didn't make it. There's no way that cup made it. That cup cracked in half. Like, that cup has to be in two pieces. Excellent sign. reference, by the way, okay. By the way, can I

just say, because I'm surprised no one's talked about him yet, but that's what happens in these cards that are this exciting. I want to see Alexander Romanov fight every Saturday. I like him. I like him. Good God. He's exciting in the case. He's a killer in the Octagon. Then he does it, like, it's the friendliest

killer I've ever seen. Like, that post-fight interview was smiling. It was just so happy and friendly. Like, you just never would see that. Like, it's, it was, it was awesome. I want to see this guy fight all the time. It's like a big cuddly Moldovan bear. Romen up. Scary man.

He will throw you over your, he will throw you head over head. That's crazy. I love that slowbo. That was like an 800 pound man. He threw it overhead. The look on Roket Martinez's face was like, whoa.

I noticed that too when they showed the replay that after the fight was over. That was a great shot. Rocky's no joke, man. That guy is, that guy's nails. He's super tough. And you could tell through the fight, we took a beating. That was a mauling. Or Romanoff's, I mean, they kept saying, like I kept seeing on Twitter because the commentators were like,

Alexander Romanov just sent a message to the whole heavyweight division. And some people were just like, you know, fight somebody in like the top 30 and then we could start saying that. But I watch other promotions outside of the UFC because Rocky's is a legit fighter. Like he's not a top 15 UFC fighter, but this guy's been in some wars and he's got some legit wins under his belt. So he's no slouch. He's not a pushover guy whatsoever.

So that was an impressive performance. And plus, that fight got booked pretty quickly. So hats off to Rocky for even taking a fight like that and was willing to do it. But I like Romanoff. I want to see this guy just fight all the time. Romanoff versus Rocky Martinez

was the most rise in heavyweight bite I've ever seen in the UFC. that was that just how was Linny Hart not calling them out it was just like I was like I go I've seen this fighting in Risen I've had to I just felt that way it was just

I love heavyweight fights where the guys go you know what they want to fight for a shirt on go for it I'll tell you what match up we need to see and it's because we've gone so long without mentioning him I need to see Romanov fight Hamzat Chimayev

Put your money where you're mouth this. Go up to 2.65, my friend. Get on that diet. I get a couple of, I don't know, a couple of weeks of heavy eating and get up there and grapple with Romanov. That is now the fight that I want to see. There is your obligatory comes at Shamiyev mentioned. So shout out to all the stream monsters out there who are waiting for that one. Triple book him. By the way, my apologies, since people keep giving me crap about it, I know I said has Matt Shemayev in the Wonderboy interview, people kept giving me crap. Listen, when you say the name so many times, eventually you're going to be.

going to get it wrong. You know, I'm going to like realize you said it wrong, but I really go back and watch my work, but when that was, when people kept telling me about it on Twitter and stuff, I went back and watched it. I'm like, ah, and then Wonderboy even asked me how to pronounce it. I still said hazmat. I felt like an idiot. But by the way, Romanov versus John Volante is the fight to make. Oh. That, I mean, that's the fight. Hmm. I can see it. Yeah. I mean, what else you get to do? Hey, Keeley, thank you. Yes, that was, yes, Tristan was calling for a Shama'i.

Well, Tristan actually commented earlier. Like, I can't wait till next week. I guess he was saying, you know, when Shamiab actually fights, so we can talk about Shemai. I'm like, we don't need to wait for Shemaya to fight to mention Shemaya. We can mention Shemaya whenever we want. That's right. I think we mentioned it on like 90% of our podcasts and videos, video programming since Fight Island. So don't worry about that.

We'll get to Hamzaa Shamaev. talk no matter what don't worry it doesn't matter if he's fighting or not but yeah after next week has Matt Chamaia Hamzat Hamzat the suit Chamaiav

yes we'll definitely talk about him next week though for sure but I had to sneak one in there for my boy so next week's card is ridiculous that is a ridiculous we've been here for an hour

to talk about next week now yeah we'll run off of that so we got obviously Covington Woodley and I don't know if you noticed the promo, but there was a certain website that was flashed across it, the entire promo. Just throwing that out there. It would be M.M.A. fighting.

Then Saroni versus Nika Price. Hamzat. Hamzat Shimae versus Gerald Mirchard. That's a really interesting fight. Johnny Walker versus Ryan Spans, Ridiculous. McKenzie Derns back against Random Marcos. Kevin Holland versus Darren Stewart is a great fight. Mirzad Bechtig versus Eduardo Garagori. We got Buenos Silliv. versus Mara Maria Borella, Jordan Espinosa versus David Devorak, Sarah Alpire versus Jessica Rose Clark. Randy Costa versus Journey Newson is going to be ridiculous.

Those two are going to beat the brakes out of each other. Andre Yule, Erwin Rivera, Derek Minner versus T.J. Larammy, making his UFC debut. Canada's own. Yes, Canada. And then Tyson Nam rebooked against promotional newcomer Jerome Rivera. I didn't even...

First part of the night. I didn't even know about this. This is breaking news? They announced it on the broadcast They're on the broadcast Okay, I didn't even see that Mike and we lost the fight on that card too Didn't we lose a fight today?

We lost one late last night Mickey Gall is out of his fight With injury So he's not fighting Miguel by his Looks like I mean there's 14 fights on the card right now So I would say it's probably unlikely They rebook Miguel Or find another opponent

But I don't see a lot of 70 Guys at 171 to take that fight on short notice, but you never know. We've seen crazy thinking, look at Kevin Krum tonight coming out of nowhere on days notice and putting away Roosevelt Roberts the way he did. Shemaya would do it if God forbid something happened to the

Mirashare matchup. He would absolutely cut that 15 pounds and just take him like, yeah, I want to stay in the car. Yeah, I'll cut 15 pounds to fight Beza. And then that would and then that would suit my prediction of my Shemaya Bayezza pick that I made like two months ago. Can you, Mike, can you do a throatal

kind of growl when you're pronouncing those names? Because it's really, it's really, if you want to get it right, it's really Hamzat. Hamzat. Like Habib, Habib, Habib, Hamzat. Yes. Hamzat, hazmat, Hamzat Shammat. Hasmat Shammat. I cannot wait for that fight.

This is a paper view card. This is a card before the 12 paperviews a month era where for some reason they dictated that every paper view has to be headlined by a title fight, which I'll never understand. this is a this is a title fight sorry this is a pay-per-view level card from like six or seven year or whenever before they started doing that woodley and cummington is just a grudge match people asking for forever and then as you mentioned seronian price could be a fight of the year candidate hamzat shemaya everyone wants to see him fight so there you go he's like one of the hottest names right now johnny walker let's not forget was like the hottest name around this time like last year obviously a lot of a lot of shine came off there because some of losses he suffered

but he's still a super exciting guy, especially when you're throwing in there with someone like Ryan Spann. And McKenzie Duren, again, also a name, very much a name in the Mazephere that is so intriguing and that draws eyeballs.

So, yes, this is, this is really a pay-per-view-level card that you people, that you people are getting for your ESPN plus subscription and us people in Canada will be getting on TSN. And I'm not going to say

this is UFC pay-per-view level, but this is early UFC on Fox level. so specific but early UFC on Fox you know what that means that had a remember like

UFC and Fox one through like I don't know one through eight or nine they felt special then eventually they just became UFC on fuel cards but whatever

I was saying it's certainly better than UFC on fuel TV and definitely better than like UFC on FX it's definitely oh yeah those are bad too those are pretty bad

and by the way if there's any media members watching who are going to be the virtual media call and McKenzie Derns up there. Do not ask her about her weight. You don't need to. Just look at her.

She said she's 119 when I talked to her on Wednesday. 119. She'll be on wait probably about the time she gets off the plane. She's probably there now, all right? You don't need to ask her with the weight. You don't need to be concerned about it. She's going to make it. By the way, I know people have asked,

can you get Colby on before he fights? I will tell you that I've tried. Colby is off. Colby goes through these spells. Very rarely when I text Colby Covington does not respond to me. Right now he is, he's kind of off the radar. He doesn't talk to anybody. I'm pretty sure that the last time I talked to him was the last interview he did.

So if you want to get Colby's thoughts on the fight, go back into the archives and watch that because I think I'm pretty sure that's the last interview he's done heading into the fight. Well, I think once he went pen to paper and then once the Mazadol thing working with Woodley came out, he's off the radar. So I think the virtual media day will be like the next time you hear from him. So I've tried. Trust me on that.

Real quick. We don't got to predict a winner for Colby Woodley. But these, these, no, bad blood fights, they go one way or the other. It's going to kind of just be, you know, one of those fights. Orby's going to be freaking awesome. Like, you know, like Uzman, like Uzman, Covington. Which, where are we going? Awesome or just, yeah, it's a fight.

I don't know. I'm the Prince of Positivity. You know that. And part of me wants to say this is going to be more like Usman Covington. But I was so discouraged by the Woodley Burns fight. I cannot lie. And Burns is a great talent, all the credit to him. But it just looks like Woodley cannot pull that trigger anymore.

Just like also we saw with Robbie Lawler. You hit a wall at some point. And I think it doesn't matter who you're fighting. It doesn't matter how motivated you are. Something happens when you get in there. And you're just not able to execute like you used to. So do I think that's, I do kind of think that's where Taran Woodley is in his career. And Covington's such a pressure fighter.

I think he's really going to put it on him. I know that's not how people want to hear. And it's such a negative thing for me to say. So you know what? The good news is I'm usually wrong about these things. So I'll stick with my, for you people, I will stick with my prediction and say, I think we might get a somewhat discouraging fight. We might get a lopsided Covington win.

But again, if I'm wrong, good for everyone else. Interesting point Gerald Mirashard made. in my conversation with him is that he was when i did the interview with him he was in st louis working with tyrant woodley he doesn't work with tyrant that often but when he does he's done it for two other fights where he's worked with him primarily and as like a full-on partner one robbie luller two darin till so maybe maybe you get a little something here he says woodley looks great i mean he's not going to say well they looks like shit because i mean they're teammates and they're working together but um i think i mean if there's one fight that's going to get wood

back on track and at least like the Woodley that made a run at the belt and started finishing guys like this is the fight like this is it like if he doesn't if we see that same guy again that we saw in the Uspen fight in the Burns fight like what else is there to do to like get him out of this funk like this is the fight we'll see yeah again no I think you're absolutely right this is a cliche do or die make or break whatever whichever one you want to use this is it this is the one he's been asking for it stylistically also again, I think a lot of people when Woodley was the champion would have easily picked him to be coming. I think it would have at least been a two to one favor in the odds. But things change so fast in MMA. And, you know, what we think and what is reality can change so quickly. So the reality of Tarum Widley right now is he's just, I would say, just barely hang on to a top five spot. And a loss to Cumberton really sends him plummeting down.

I don't know if it necessarily sends him to retirement. I don't know if we want to go that far. But it would have people, I think it would, a loss to Cumbent would have. people asking that question for him sadly. Man, the man is 38 years old. Yep. He's done a lot.

Colby's training at MMA Masters for this camp as well. Nico with Nico Price and that team over there. So we'll see. I mean, this is this is his first camp, like not at ATT, you know, without Dan Lambert by his side. And there's a lot of interesting factors. But Colby is a super smart fighter, whether you think he's had exciting fights or, you know, he's a boring fighter or whatever.

People think that. He's very intelligent. He's got great game plans and they usually seem to pay off. We'll see what happened. The Usman one did not, but that was just an awesome fight. So I'm looking forward to that entire card next week. I cannot wait. And we're going to be talking all about it on between the links and what the heck and all the craziness.

So do we have any other questions, Casey, or should we say goodbye here? I think we're ready to say good night. Yes. Let's just before, I mean, last I'll say, well, let's shout out. I don't know if there's any names we missed. Liz Carmouche, successful U.S. Bellator debut, one by, yeah, which won by submission. Keone Diggs, which what I think is a pretty big upset because he's undefeated, sure, but Derek Campos is a Bellator original, a veteran, and he got, I was sorry, I actually did not

have the chance to see the fight? Does anyone know, was this a come from behind? Did he need this submission? He finished with one second remaining in the fight. He choked out Derek Campos. I don't know. Sorry, I was not watching. No, that fight was right during another important fight, so I had to skip that one.

I didn't. That was like one of the few fights I did not watch. Yeah, I apologize to readers, but regardless of circumstances, choking out a veteran like Derek Campos with one second remaining in a fight, that is, again, something that I think we'll review, and I think we'll actually be talking about for a while. Because Diggs, again, had a little bit of hype behind him, but I certainly picked Campos to beat him and just assume that I would see Campos.

by knockout or can't post by decision on the results sheet. I did not expect to see Keone digs by technical submission at 4.59 of round three. So good for him. He definitely deserves a shout out. And big shot to Bobby Green as well. Another win for him. Awesome. Way to use his time on the mic as well.

Basically walked out of him. Michael Bisbing took a stand. Thought that was great. Jalen Turner, great win tonight over Brock Weaver. That was a great fight. And then Bam Bam is back. Brian Barbarina beat Anthony Ivy

after over a year away and back surgeries and all sorts of craziness but Bam Bam is just always an exciting fight so we had some good suggestions which we will probably discuss on onto the next one on Monday

so that's it I think we'll put a bow on this thing we'll be doing this for a little while so for AK for EKCCelyden I am Mike Heck hope you guys enjoyed the fights tonight and on Friday night and we'll see you with all the coverage

right here on MMAfighting.com. Good night, everybody. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.