MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 101 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Mackenzie Dern's Slick Submission, First UFC Event Of 2025

Episode Date: January 12, 2025

Mackenzie Dern gets it done in the UFC Vegas 101 main event, getting some revenge against Amanda Ribas in the process. The big question is — which is one Dern had a hard time answering as well — where does she go from her second consecutive victory and not a lot of fresh and realistic matchups? Following the first UFC event of 2025, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and José Youngs react to Dern's spectacular third-round submission victory over Ribas and the potential options in front of her moving forward. Additionally, they discuss Santiago Ponzinibbio's much-needed victory over Carlton Harris in the penultimate bout, Cesar Almeida's brutal knockout of Abdul Razak Alhassan, the controversial last-second TKO stoppage win for Roman Kopylov against Chris Curtis, Punahele Soriano's quick knockout of Uros Medic, and other standout moments. Follow Mike Heck: @m_heckjr Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And for the first time in 2025, they sound. For Mackenzie Dern. Yes, she exacts a little bit of revenge against Amanda Hebas. And with just a few seconds left in round number three, McKenzie Dern with the slick arm bar submission win. Two in a row for McKenzie Dern as she wins the first UFC main event of 2025 as we welcome you to the UFC Vegas 101 post-fight show here on MBAFighting.com.

I am Mike Heck. And joining me today, always excited to have my fellow New Englanda reacting. reacting to a big UFC event. He is the one and only social media guru for MAAfighting.com. He is Jose Young's live from New York. There he is. Jose fights are back. How are you feeling?

Fights are back. Feels good to watch MMA again. No, I mean, rising happened on New Year's Eve. But it was, you know, I like those lot, those couple of weeks of November May, MMA, it refreshes. You know, you get a little bit of a break after like 60-something fights

in 50-something week. So I think it was a much needed break for a while, but I'm excited that MMA is back. I'm very high. It's a good palette cleanser for the big pay-per-view coming up. I got to tell you, you know, we look at these cards sometimes and sometimes we grade a, we're tough graders on card quality

and things of that nature. But if you just went into this cold and you didn't look at the lineup and you just sat down from start to finish and watched the card, this was a damn good watch. especially the main card, which had five of the six fights ending in stoppages. We had Christian Rodriguez just upending prospects. All at all, like this was a terrific start to 2025 in terms of quality of fights. Was it not?

Yeah, and they were quality maybe not, but in terms of like quick finishes, highlight real finishes, stuff that we'll be talking about probably tomorrow too. and there's a lot of fighters that have added another chapter to their highlight reel. So when they get those promo packages before their fight, now you can just slap on another finish. So it was a good start. But like you said, a lot of people like kind of sticking their nose up at this card.

Rightfully so, it wasn't even going to be a main event. Like the main event between a man that he boss and McKenzie General was supposed to happen in December at the card you were at. And they just didn't have a main event. So they just decided to pull that fight from that. that fight from that fight card and moved it to this and everyone was like, who asked for this?

And it ended up being a pretty decent, it ended up being a decent string of fight finishes. I should say that. It was a good day for social media. I'll tell you that much because we got a lot of good photos. All the UFC photogs on site were brought their A game after the break. So all in all, great night of fights in terms of social engagement.

I'll put it that way. Yeah. There were some clean endings. There were some controversy. Endings and we'll get some of those in a minute, but let's start with McKenzie Dern and Amanda Hewbuss. This was a pretty fun fight early on, very competitive through two rounds. I thought it was 1919. I haven't seen what the official cards looked like. And then yeah, round three was was kind of all over the place. Some wacky scrambles. Hebus was was doing pretty well. And then Dern gets the arm bar

lets it go and then gets full mount and then has the moment where it opens up and she gets it again and gets the tap with a few seconds left in the fight. And now look at McKenzie Dernh, Jose. People have been giving up on her and she comes back. She beats Lupi Godinez. And now she opens up the 2025 calendar year for the UFC in the main event and gets a big finish of Amanda Heba. So great McKenzie Dern's performance. What did you think of her tonight?

I didn't think she, I thought the winner of this would go to a decision. But I say that. But then I remember we were talking about this. I think it was when we were, it was either the end of between the links. It might have been something else. But I remember talking like both of these women, they know how to win impressively and they know how to lose impressively. Like Amanda Hebas will get either a standing TKO wins, stand TKL loss.

Mackenzie Dern will either get beaten up on the feet and she'll just be rolling around on the ground trying to find her balances or she can just grab you and submit you. So when I was saying like, oh, I think it'll be a decision. As soon as the fight started, I'm like, why did I pick that? Like both of these ladies just know how to lose big. But they also know how to win big And I thought that was a recipe Of like something weird's gonna happen

And then something weird did happen Amanda Iboss who was a very high level Gito practitioner They're very good MMA fighter tap to four seconds left In a fight that was probably one-one If she had held on to that And her arm didn't break She probably would have been down two one Just going into the championship fights

And wouldn't for all we know She could have won those two and pulled out of decision But yeah I just I don't know Who you give McKenzie Dern Like it was an impressive win But it seems like she wins when she fights people that aren't just incredibly high-level strikers who can defend a takedown.

Like when she fights Jessica Androge or who else did she? Like all those type of ladies that can just stuff a takedown and then hit really hard. If you get women like Lupi Godinez or Amanda Hebas or Angela Hill or Tisha Torres, women that she can either out muscle or their strengths play into McKenzie Dern's strengths and she can negate that and choke you out and kind of controlling. on the ground. You get Amanda Lemos, Jan Jahn Nam, Marine Rodriguez, who can stuff a take down and then blast you in the face.

It'll be an exciting fight, but McKenzie Jim probably won't win that fight. No matter how many media days she shows up to and says, yeah, I've really concentrated on my wrestling. I've really focused on my striking. Then you get in there, and she gets hit once, and she's somersaulting backwards. A fun fight, I guess. But like she said in the post-interview, I don't know who you give her next. She's falling everyone above her outside of Tatiana, who has been not very active and is about to fight for the title.

I just, I do not know who you give McKenzie Durnlecks if that's the next question you're about to ask. I might be a rematch. Yeah, it's, I'm in the same boat because like everybody that would make sense from where she's at, like she's fought or lost to or beaten already. Like, I would like I could see a world where they run the Verna fight back just to keep her busy. I don't know. Verna might take it. Like if she doesn't get Janjan on, like, you know, it's one she could try to get a little

revenge on and try to keep her spot. And for McKenzie during that fight, it would make a ton of sense, even though she's got a win over her. Probably jumps the line, gets her a title fight. So, yeah, it just kind of depends. She's in a weird spot. Does she just fight like a Yasmin Lucindo type?

Is that where she's kind of out right now? I don't know. I think Yasminu, I think Jasmine Lucinda's about to fight a mandolamos. I remember correct. Yeah, or yeah, maybe the winner of that fight. Maybe, but then she's already lost to Mandelamos. So I maybe if Yasme and Lucindo wins, then that fight would make sense. I assume they'd be pretty close in ranking.

I don't know when that fight is happening, though. Jillian Robertson? Like, did she go that far back? I mean, that would be fun because I think, yes, I think Jillian either has the most or second most submission wins at Flyweight before she dropped down to Strawaway. So that's like a fun little store. The two women that have like the most combined submission wins ever in UFC history.

fighting each other. That would be like a fun story, but then it probably turns like a sloppy kickboxing fight because that's usually how those fights go. I mean, and I'm on record saying I love those kind of fights and you just have two high-level black belts kicking and punching a whole bunch. I think those fights are a lot of fun to watch. But again, I just don't know. Like Tabitha Ritch, you just lost.

I think she's pretty far down the rankings. I guess you can run the marina one back. I don't know. I don't know. I do not know. Well, one thing we do know is McKenzie Dern has made $50,000 because she got the performance of the night, at least one of them. Did you see the others, Jose? I did not. So there is another performance bonus and there is a fight of the night.

Caesar Almeda performance, I would imagine. Of course. Yes. That Punisoriano didn't get one? Nope. McKenzie got him, but Puda wins in 30. 31 seconds and doesn't get a bonus. What was a good fight?

Was it the Christian Rodriguez fight? Nope. I don't know. What was it? Chris Curtis versus Roman Coppul. Yeah. That was a fun. That was a fun fight.

Chris Curtis is just. That was a great fight. So, so tough. Such a tough dude. Such an interesting tough dude. What was that? What is that? Two in a row.

Like he hasn't, I know the Emovob fight was a no contest because of a clash of heads. I think the only win he has in recent memory is like Mark Andre Barrio in that fight, I don't think a lot of people particularly enjoyed. That was the Toronto fight card that. I mean, he knocked out Walking Buckley. That fight is aged pretty well. Sure has.

Yeah, that was a good fight, man. Like, I really enjoyed that. The ending was kind of weird and we'll get to that in the second. But good win for McKenzie Dern, Amanda Hebas. People still love her. So she can bounce around to 115. I kind of want her to stay at 115, but if she wants to bounce up to 125 and make that extra coin, have at it, have a good time. Life is short.

Enjoy it. Do what you love. And congratulations to McKenzie Dern. How about Santiago Ponzi and Ibio, Jose? I got to tell you, just terrific matchmaking when you throw in Ponzi with Carlson Harris. And those two just beat the hell out of each other. They did everything they could. It wasn't the prettiest fight you'll ever watch.

but just a bunch of grit and toughness going on with guys a little bit up there in age, especially at the 170 pound division, but picture perfect matchmaking. And in the end, Santiago Ponziabio showing that veteran grit with like less than two minutes left in the fight, stops Carlson Harris.

That was just fun as hell, man. Like, just real fun. Yeah, if you would have asked me who had the most to lose on this card, it was probably Santiago Ponzenevio. I don't know if you read Gareme's our own Gareme Cruz's interview with him. He was real hot, real hot about losing split decisions. Like he goes like, I'm not going to complain. I'm like because I'm a veteran and I don't know how this game goes.

He's like, but I'm so pissed that I've lost split decisions and I thought I won. And he was like, I don't care about like, I just, I just can't let, I cannot let my fights go to the judges anymore because I'm tired of losing split decisions. and man, he needed that win in a bad, bad way. I don't think he's a guy that they would cut because he does so much for the UFC behind the scenes. He's a very good commentator for the UFC Spanish broadcast with the UFC Spanish broadcast team. I think he's one of the best.

So I think he's going to be around for a long time with the UFC. I just, in terms of his fighting career, I don't want him to be like one of those Anthony Smith guys were. It's like, oh, you don't need to fight anymore. You have the broadcast part of your life ahead of you. And because, like, again, one judge gives him those scores for Santiago, he might be on a bit of a run right now.

He just unfortunately not. I know he lost to Kevin Holland. I know I lost Alex Marono and a little weird stoppage too. Or beat Alex Marrono, I should say, in a weird stoppage. But yeah, if anyone needed a win, if the Santiago Ponziadino needed that win more than any other fighter on this card, I'll say that. And he delivered.

That was the most roller coaster fight of the night for me because about two minutes into it, he gets dropped by Carlson Harris. And I'm thinking myself, all right, maybe I just don't want to watch Santiago Ponzovio fight anymore. And then he just gets up and takes more punishment and keeps going. And I'm just like, all right, this guy is just, he just continues to be real fun. And they just went to war and they beat the hell out of each other. And then he goes out there and finishes Carlson Harris.

Like Ponzoivio is just, he's the man. He's not going to win a title or he's not going to be a top 10 guy. but he'll never let you down, Jose. He's one of those fighters who just won't let you down no matter what. And I think, because a lot of people were saying like,

oh, like, look how far Santiago's falling, like he's fighting guys like Carlson Harris. I'm like, Carlson Harris is a very good fighter. Like, yeah, he's like 19 and 7, but like he's lost to Shafcott. He's lost to Chaos Williams

who fights once a year and it's usually a violent knockout. And that's it with Santiago and the UFC. And then he has wins over, Wellington Termine, he has wins over, Michelle Pereira, and these are on, like, the regional scene. Like, I think Carlson Harris is a very good, either test for people coming up or fighters that are on a bit of a losing streak that you have to see, like,

do you still have it? I think Carlson Harris fits that mold pretty well. Unfortunately, he just loses to guys that are very good. Yes. It'll be interesting to see where Ponzi goes from here. Yeah. I kind of like this age-appropriate matchmaking with him. Even if I want to do like a Wonderboy fight,

like it would not make me upset if they wanted to go that route. I don't mind it. Neil Magny, someone like that. Like, I have no issue. They fought. Neil Madagney got knocked dead in Argentina. And it wasn't like people were like, oh, I poke. I'm like, no eye poke.

San Diego pumped. How long ago was that? That was a while ago, wasn't it? That was pre-pandemic in Argentina. And if you watch that fight, people were like, it was like a soccer match where there was like fire. like not fireworks, people have like sparklers. And like you ever watch like a international basketball game

where there's like crazy things happening in the crowd? You watch that fight, there's like smoke in the air. It's such a weird, weird thing to watch. And great fight though. I really like that fight. Right back. Let's do it. You know what's better than the one big thing?

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Conditions and exclusions apply. Sazar Almeida, what a dude, that knockout was absolutely ferocious. Abdul Razak al-Hassin hurts him, knocks him down, Omeida gets up, he's trying to fight fire with fire, and then kind of pushes himself off the cage and lands just,

a violent shot and Al-Assan is down and he is out and he is motionless and it was just one of those oh boy this is kind of the tough part about watching the sport sometimes is sometimes you get got real good and Al-a-san got got in a real scary way and they sit on the broadcast he was he was out for several minutes and then when they got back he was finally up on the stool and was able to at least sit up a little bit but man what a what a wild ending we have a front runner for knockout of the year in 2025 Jose yeah that was uh caesar almaa just continues to prove that your best base for fighting is just being a high level glory fighter because you just roll in and start knocking mma fighters out when they just blitz forward at you

but i mean what did you expect caesar almeida is like one in one i think with alice perr in the in in the glory scene and then i was talking about a mackenzie durn amanda evas like losing big or winning big. There is no one in MMA that does that better than Abdul Razak Al-San. He's basically, this is going to be a deep cut for all my baseball fans. He is basically the Mark Reynolds of the UFC. He's either going to hit a 450-foot home run or go 0 for 5 with five strikeouts. That's it.

There's no, he might slap a double. He might hit us. No, it's a home run or a strikeout. There's no deep fly. It's either leaving the ballpark or he's swinging in, Listen, trying to do that. Because who's he lost? I know he's lost to Caesar Alameda.

He's lost to Walking Buckley. He's lost Jacob Malcolm, Chaos Williams. And the dude gets dropped in every one of his fights. And it's usually because he's running forward with his hands down. So fun guy to watch. I hope he sticks around because he's a good guy to just throw in there and watch a car crash. Yeah, he's been a terrific getter get got all star. The Chaos Williams knockout.

Joe Piper did Joe Piper things to him. And usually like if he doesn't win in the first round, he would lose like a tepid decision. But man, not anymore. Now he's just one of those guys that that just goes and gets after it and says are all made a just keep throwing them in there with strikers and you're going to get results like this.

You throw them in there with guys who can grapple. He's not going to do terrifically. I mean, we saw it happen in the Roman copula fight. Roman just figured out like if I just tackle this guy, then I win and that's exactly what happened. And speaking of Roman Coppulov, what a fight with Chris Curtis. It was the fight of the night. These two went back and forth.

I thought Coppulaf won the first round. Second round was more of a Chris Curtis round. He started to figure things out. He busted Coppulaf's face up a little bit. And then Roman in round three hurt Chris Curtis real bad a few different times. Chris Curtis is maybe the toughest guy at 185 pounds. You just cannot hurt this man. And then eventually he got hurt.

He got kicked in the face with like four seconds left in the fuck. fight coppeloff just does the walk away and the referee stops the fight and chris curtis is pissed he is livid i know eric nixick was pissed because he thought there should have been points taken away and it's just kind of a weird ending kind of an unfortunate ending to a really fun fight what did you think of the ending because to me like a lot of people are up in arms about the stoppage but at the same time like chris curtis was going to lose the fight anyways yeah one second does it affect his paycheck either way no because he would have lost the fight.

I didn't. I felt like because the referee, it was Mark Davis. He was the referee, correct? When it happened, Mark Smith. I don't know why I said Mark Davis.

Mark Smith. When he, he jumped in and stopped the fight, he didn't even look that confident. It was just like, oh, he walked away. I might as well,

like he stepped in, he stepped out, he waved it off, and then he waved it again. And then Chris Curtis seemed really confused. I'll tell you what, doing like digging through social media, because I was doing some graphics for the site,

his fellow fighters are very upset at the stoppage. I just think they were mostly annoyed because it was so late in the final round. Like if it had reached the scorecards, I don't know. Like we all said, we all had that fight, especially with the knockdown. Chris Curtis probably would have lost that fight anyway. I think he, if anyone's going to be mad,

it should be Chris Curtis, but his fellow fighters were very upset at the referee for stopping that fight. I tell you that much. But I felt right out of the game, right when it happened, I'm like, I don't even know if the referee is confident in that stoppage. Yeah, it was, it was just a weird one because Chris got kicked and he seemed okay.

Hokey-pokey mark. Yeah, he hooky-poky herb. But then Chris, like, took a step to his left and it looked like, you know, when you're a kid and you're playing dizzy bat whiffle ball, like that's what it was like. He spun around 10 times and then took a step to his left and then he fell on his face. Like the way he went down, it was just like, it looked bad. It looks bad. but then it was just kind of, everyone was just kind of frozen in place. And it wasn't the first time, first moment in that fight that he got like that.

Like it was like early in the fight, he got clipped and was just kind of wobbly for a little bit. So I get the stoppage, but I also get why people are upset about it. Yeah. I agree. But good win for Roman Coppulov. I think people continue. I think he is, I don't know, he's the most underrated middleweight, but he's certainly up there. He doesn't get a lot of credit.

A lot of people are overlooking him in this fight despite being the favorite. but good win for him. Chris Curtis is gritty as hell. Christian Rodriguez hands Austin Boschie, his first loss. They just keep feeding these prospects to Christian Rodriguez and he keeps putting them away. And Puna Soriano, Walter Wade Puna. Look at this guy.

I was at Puna's contender series win. I think that was right when the Apex first opened and I think the UFC gave us a tour of the Apex then the next day or later that day, they had the fights. And right then, a lot of people in the back were like, we don't know if Puno will ever fight for a title, but he's definitely a name we're going to have to watch

because he's an athletic dude. He's a strong dude. Looks good getting off the bus. Throw him in there. Violent stuff is going to happen. But man, he must really, I don't know how easy that is. Because he's, if you've ever met Puna Sorano, he is not a small dude. That must be brutal.

That must be brutal getting down to Welterway. So if he sticks around, I don't think he's going to be one of those guys that's going to be able to take short notice fights. Yeah, 2 and 0 Welterweight only fought once last year. He beats Miguel Baezza and then goes out and stops your spinach in 31 seconds. So, hey, if you're going to cut weight and get 31 second knockouts, you know, keep cutting for a little while longer, I guess. He seems to be okay with it.

So, yeah, good performance from Puna. Probably should get a little 50 G's little back end. Felipe Bunes, I wouldn't have hated if he got himself a bonus after that slick arm bar of Jose Johnson, who missed weight by two and a half pounds. Marco Tullio knocks out Ehor Poteria, who also missed weight heading into that fight. Good win for Tiago Moises, Jacoby Smith, just obliterates Preston Parsons. This guy's going to be real fun to watch moving up the Walterweight Division. Ernesta Karakati gets a win over Nicoli Kalari, Brito Lopez, gets a decision win over Maghamed.

Goodsulaf. Yeah, that's what it was. Fatima Klein gets the first finish of 2025, finishing Victoria Dutakova, who was really pissed off in the fallout of that fight. M.AFighting.com if you haven't seen it. And then Nerulo Aliev gets the first UFC victory of 2025 with a unanimous decision win over one Joe Selecki.

So all in all, this is a pretty fun card. The main car is really good. And we're on to 311. Before we do that, Let's go to the peeps. Let's see what the peeps have to say about the first trip to the world's most famous Apex. Hello, Kasi. Hello.

Fun card, fun card. All right. Well, we'll be done. That was fine. All right. Super chat. Before we kick off, Gillian and Tatanaswaras have the first and second most submission wins in UFC women's history. Make the fight because I want to see bad kickboxing.

Yes. Love it Well, bad kickboxing is what we call MMA in general So that's true But sloppy or sloppier Yeah

I should say Yeah Oh but I just want to say Man great I mean I was I was pretty high And he was winning this fight And Dern really impressed me

She She didn't get into that sloppy Kickboxing match She kind of stayed controlled At the first round I really thought The Rough show Just stood him up

because they were in that kind of locked closed guard, just standing them up. But after that, I thought it was a really good fight and just super impressed by Dern as a high-level submission. Yeah, just, I actually, I really enjoyed that main event a lot. So, yeah, good and Dern. And that was a rematch, and I wouldn't mind.

I know Werner deserves a title fight, but deserves as a word we do not say here anymore. So I would love to see Verna Dern rematch. I think that would be pretty cool. Who is Jan Janan fighting next? Does she have a fight? Because I know Vern is in Connor out for like a possible fight. For like a title.

Jan beat McKenzie. Yeah. I wouldn't hate that fight too. Oh, yeah. Beengan beat McKinsey too? I forgot that. Yeah. Oh, you're right.

If we don't get the rematch with Verna and McKenzie, I wouldn't hate because Jan and Verna haven't fought and they both that would make sense as a title eliminator especially if they stick it on the australia card i think that would be because i hope i pray to god tautiana makes it but just based on her history i feel like you need another female straw weight on that weighing it as a backup i would hope so yeah yeah all right um right to the questions uh let's get some super chats um from terence a loverette terence uh got some knockouts on the this card. Needless to say, if they have the new gloves next week, it was because John Crybaby

Jones, they used the old ones. So what's the deal? They used the new gloves for the apex fights and the old gloves or paper views? So they're eventually per Dana White, they just don't, they have to remake old gloves because they had made so many new ones that they just didn't have enough. So they are slowly reincorporating the old gloves into all the paper views. And then for the fight nights that they're going on the road, I assume they use the old gloves. And eventually, we will just revert entirely back to the old gloves. They just don't have enough. That's one of the weirdest stories of 2024. All right. Thank you, Terrence. Got a super chat from our friend from Tijuana.

The soul were clop. There we go. Hi from T.J. How about that? In Jed's words, she did the thing. She punched and elbowed her way to the submission. Love to see Durenwin and having a great moment with her daughter. Salud Porn in 2025, Chingon, Parra Ustetus, Isu's familia.

Ooh. Yeah. That wasn't bad. Yeah. Brown and proud. Brown and Pround, Mike Heck. Yeah. Rove the Durham.

Had to bust up the Aspaniol for the first time. in like 30 years. Good job. Yeah, great performance. Yeah, she was aggressive, but like in a patient way, like she used her. She waited for openings and when the openings came, she passed. She wasn't like Homer Simpsoning out there because that's usually like her downfall. She starts turning.

She gets punched once and then she becomes Homer Simpson and just wings shots and gets obliterated. am I wrong with this this was the best mackenzie durn we've seen in the octagon correct as far as a complete martial artist i feel i'm sorry going what's your pain yeah yeah i did it was yeah that it was a good one the angel she beat the hell out of angela hill like that to me that was like the whoa like that was that was the vicious side of mackenzie durn because like that was one of the things jett and i used to always say was mackenzie's good but she doesn't have that like I want to rip your head off like aggression in the cage and that kind of leads to her downfalls unless she gets a takedown like we don't see that

she doesn't offer up like a second option if she can't get a trip takedown and in that fight she just beat the soul at angela hill like she just obliterated her and angela's just so tough that she was able to make it through and last to the end of that fight but yeah i would say if we're talking about like just top to bottom mixing of the marshal arts as we say it's about as good as we've seen from her yeah i mean i'm a big angela hill fan but i have heba's well ahead of her in the ranking so i yeah it's the most if in it's the most impressive in terms of like level of competition compared to the outcome of the fight i think for sure i agree with what you're saying yeah okay uh thank you solar crop solar clop i can never say your name correct

all right uh one more super chat before we get to the regular other questions Ever Price with the Van Vader WCW image, I dig it. Ehor don't dance on the Graves of Legends Potia plus Almedes chasing Poetan the way Poetan chased Izzy. They're in the wrong, well, he's gonna move to 205 now. He'll do it. I don't think he's not that big of a 185.

185 or. Yeah, Pereira is like probably 50 pounds heavier than him and walk around weight right now. Yeah. That just means he's faster. That's how to me. That is how many works. Demetious Johnson.

Watch Baylor. Hey, you can't prove you would it. You can't prove you with it. All right. Thank you, Everett Price. Dude, I feel, I'm not the biggest Ewhore fan for the whole Shogun thing. I don't know if we'll ever forgive him for that. But I feel, I felt bad for him.

for him. He got a serious knee in the ding, ding, and then... Is this not the second fight in a row that's happened to him? Like, he had some weird thing happening his last fight. Who would he, who was that? He had the weird, he's had such a weird career. It was Caesar Alamedo, was it not? Was it not? Could be.

Yeah, but, uh, we, yeah. Yeah, he said, yeah. Yeah, he said a tough run, man. Yeah, what a bad 2025 for he or, Mrs. Waite gets a bad knee and the ding ding and the, and the ref, I forgot who the ref was, but I even, I even marked it. I wrote it down. The ref just says, hey, don't aim for that area. That was all, that was the start, Mark Smith.

Mark Smith had a bad night. Mark Smith had a very bad day. I agreed with you because in our Slack, in our Slack channel, you were like, that should be a point because that was reckless. And I completely agree. Like, they want to transition. It was, yeah. Yeah, it was, it was, it was bad. It was a bad one.

If Mark took a point, like, no one would have complained. Yeah, because of the way it happened. We, we have, there's judgment, you know, when we watch these files. Some files are like, okay, I get it. Guys are moving, you know, around things just happened. But this was clear, like, I'm just going to knee you, wherever the knee goes. That's not my problem. And as soon as the fight restarted, the fight was basically over.

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What we got here? Oh. Max, Jed needs to apologize to Roman Coppula for calling him a coward. Rome was genius harassing Al-Mata last year in hindsight. I mean... Did Jed call him a coward? Jay calls them all cowards. Yeah.

I think he had a bet on on Caesar Alameda, and that's why he goes, well, unless Roman fights like a coward, Seizor should win this fight. And then Roman started to tackle them. That sounds like, Jed. With some respect on that man today and people. You picked Koppelov come into this fight.

Were you surprised that he basically, I don't want to say won the striking, but he won it without mixing the martial arts? No, it was like that was pretty much the fight I thought it was going to be. Like he wasn't going to be able to take Chris down. Chris is so tough to take down. So I figured this would be a striking match on the feet. And I thought the difference in the fight would be Roman's going to land the bigger shots,

but Chris is going to land more often. And Chris is eventually going to move forward and start landing. And how I thought what surprised me the most was that Chris turned the tide earlier than I thought he would. I thought Chris would start motoring in round three and maybe get close to a finish in round three. But Chris turned the tide in round two and started to figure things out and he was landing. But even so, even though he was like doubling up

on the strike numbers in round two, Roman was tagging him. Almost every punch he landed. Once he started landing jabs, actually what turned the tide for Roman in round two was he started kicking Chris Curtis in the body. Once the kick started to land, Curtis started to go backwards a little bit,

and that's when Roman was at his most effective. So I saw some people even scoring round two for Roman when they pulled up the tweets, like Sean Cheyenne, who, you know, if you ask him, he's the greatest media judge on the planet. He scored round two for Roman copulov. So, I mean, there you go. It just shows you how close the fight was. And then Roman just looked so good in round three.

That was the thing that surprised me the most because it looked like he was fading in round two. Roman got a second wind in round three, which was that impressed me the most. Yeah, it was a great fight better than I expected. And yeah, it was just a very high level. I thought the fight should. No one asked me, but I'm going to throw my opinion out there. I did not like the stoppage. And it wasn't the worst stoppage.

I understand the stoppage. But credit to Roman Coppola for throwing that kick and doing the walkoff, which forces the ref to make a quick decision. And usually that decision is going to be bad because you kind of go, well, I don't want to be the rep that, you know, does the late stoppage. So I think it was a good call by Coppilov strategically to walk away. But Mark Smith should have deducted a point in the first round for the, I think, growing shot and eye poke. And that fight shouldn't have been a draw because that fight shouldn't have gotten a decision, it should have been in 10-9. The last two rounds, I reached two rounds to Coppilov and with a point deduction. So I completely understand Chris Curtis's frustration.

Yeah. I mean, I definitely understand Eric's. The walkaway is so weird to me too because like Rome, that's just a smart play from Roman. Like after you lens I kick, it's just like the fight's over no matter what. Whether the ref stops it or not, like there's one second left. The horn's going to sound you won.

So you're just getting out of danger. You just don't, you're just walking on the other side of the octagon. And the ref is just like, oh, okay, we'll stop this. It was just weird. just didn't make sense in the scheme of things, but the result would have been the same. Roman would have won the fight. Yeah. So, like, I don't have a huge issue with it, but I get it.

I do understand. Yeah. I mean, and I think from our fighters' perspective, you saw online people going, that was a, no, BS stoppage for a bunch of fighters. I completely get that. I think it was more about a pride thing because now you have that, now you have that chaos. It's one thing to lose by decision, but now people are like, that guy got knocked out, you know,

and there's a lot of pride in these fighters. or so I think that just, I get it. You know, you, if you have a choice, you rather lose by decision, then they get knocked out, you know, even if it's, even if it feels the same. Years later, down the line, people are going to, they're not going to remember that it was one second. They're going to, oh, you got knocked out. So. And Chris did some damage to poor Roman's face. If you want to go to Dana White's Instagram stories, pretty nasty.

We need, we need some warnings on them. I'm like, let me click on this link. Oh, geez. All right. A quick super chat. Johnny Y. Happy new fight year. Love the draft, by the way.

Thank you. Yes, it could be fun. And we have our first loss already, which I couldn't have to a better person, Jed Bishu, went big on Austin Bashi and Austin puts up big fat goose egg. But like I said, in the People's Free Fight show, Austin Bashi is going to take a lot of way from this fight. The man needs to start punching, plain and simple. You cannot win fights in the UFC.

I mean, you can, but you're not going to beat the Christian Rodriguez. Is there anybody better than that by just taking guys down and laying on top of them? It just doesn't work that way. So hopefully, he's only 24th. He's 24. He's got plenty of time. He's incredibly talented. He's going to be real good.

He's going to make some waves at 145. But, yeah, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, a super difficult first fight for him. But they keep throwing these dudes at them. Yeah. Yeah, credit, Chris Rodriguez. Yeah, it's one of those fights. They fight six years from now, five years from now.

I think maybe, yeah, yeah, you know. He has a lot of time, a lot of time to grow. A lot of time to grow. Did Jed have other, I forgot his name. Jacoby Smith as well. Oh, yeah, Jacob's three. So he got that win. So, yeah.

He got no bonus points, though. No bonus, no bonus, which is kind of surprising. But there could have been a lot of, there could have been a lot of finish bonuses in this card. Yeah. Thank you much. All right. Some other questions.

Mike, keep the beard growing out even longer. It looks good. No. No. Then probably got to trim it down a little bit. It just gets it like, I'm not a long beard, dude. I can't handle it. It drives you crazy.

Like once the Once the side stash hair Start going into the Into the lips It just annoys the shit out Okay It's not it's not the actual appearance You just can't

Just don't like the way it feels Understandable It's gotta yeah Even Steven you know But yeah I think this length's like good And then like two days after It's gonna look like shit

And then I'm gonna have to cut it out a little bit And then we'll grow back to this point again So All right Let's talk a little bit more about this gentleman Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Jacoby Smith era. Yeah. It's a great.

See, why couldn't Austin Bashi fight a Preston Parsons type in an Octagon debut? Because Preston was like a perfect debut opponent for Jacoby Smith. But Jose, this guy, I mean, you got to see, you didn't get to see a whole lot of Jacobi Smith tonight because he did Jacobi Smith's things. But this is what he has been doing, his entire regional run. and he is an incredible wrestler. We just don't really get to see it that often because he just nukes dudes on the feet. Yeah.

I want, I mean, he can only, we just talked about Devante Smith on BTL and how that dude was just marking fools and then he lost once and then he just kind of never recovered. And I don't know why the second I saw Jacobi Smith like he won and like super impressively, just did what he normally does.

The topic of that conversation just popped into my head. I don't know why. And I'm just like, man, I really hope they just don't rush this dude up the ladder because he has the wrestling and he can hit really hard. I just do not want to see him just thrown into the wolves right away. Because he's the guy, didn't he call out Bala Muhammad, like right away in this fight? He said B'Lah, knock.

Yeah, something like that. Like, I like it. I like it. Because we're talking about it and that's what you want to see. It's like the guy that We talked about on BTL too Every time he wins He calls out Alex Pereira

The Chinese fighter Um Min Yang Zhang Oh yeah Every time he wins He's like Alex Ferrer I'm coming I love it

I mean it's great But like Jacoby Smith I just don't want I just really hope They don't just like Blitz him off the ladder Because he's young

He's super talented He still has room to grow We just haven't really seen it happen But man Fordus MMA just pumping out another incredibly because if you talk to safe saud because we've seen safe over like on the road over the last few years this is the guy that he always talks about like he's like like we'd be like oh congrats on another win coach be like yeah man we got a bunch of young guys just

watch out for jacobo smith that dude's going to be a problem and safe saud is one of the best coaches you will ever meet in one of this minds you'll ever meet in m m m m m m m and if he's singing your praises at like 27 28 watch out yeah so you know you know what you know who i would give him i would give him reese mckee that's the fight i would give jacobie smith because he will be he'll probably beat reese he'll probably beat reese but reese is so friggin tough like that dude can just take a whoopin and it's like almost it's like so tough to finish that man for reese mackie like unless you're hamz at chamois but jacobie's maybe not homest atchama i don't know.

But at least it's a guy that like, Jacobi can land on, but he might not put him away. So we get to see him extended a little bit, but a fight he'll still win, if that makes sense. Like someone like that. Because Walter Waite, like,

maybe a Matthew Semmelzberger. Like, I don't mind that. But like, any higher than that, like I don't, I don't know if I'm, like, if I'm willing to throw him in there with Puna

or Mike Molot or, Yeah, someone was saying Yeah, someone like tweeted like Oh, I'll stick him in there with Mike Malat or And like I can't remember who the second guy's name But it was like too like I'm like what are you guys talking about? Like these guys will we'll fight eventually Like they'll fight eventually just not right now

Like we don't always get like prospect versus prospect fights Like I know we just had one with I meant we say that But then like Daniel Zell Hubert Rievovish was like The best three round fight you'll ever see and both men came out better than that. They were both like sub-30 prospects. But if you do that prospect versus prospect fight, make it like on a main card on a pay for view.

Like don't don't waste it on a prelim, prelim prelim on an apex card. If he gets that big opponent, make it make sure everyone's watching. I personally think. And don't stick him on like, like that fight was like Rebovich and Daniel Zell-Huber was really good on Noch Eofc because they both speak Spanish. they're on the main card and it's a big fight. Don't give him like Mike Malat in Canada. Like that would be like,

don't be like Michael Laude. Don't give him like my lot period. But like don't give him like Ange Lusa in like France or something like like. Like don't make him the bad guy where he's going. Just have him just go out and just murk someone on a big paper stage. Yeah. Put him in Texas or Oklahoma. Like that's where you put Jacoby Smith.

Yeah. Miami. So he's, Jacoby Smith is turning 29 next week. So I think give him two fights against bottom tier Walter Waits and then when he and then 2026 I think you you that's when you really showcase him and they really get ready. Yeah. 2026 he gets to fight Neil Magni.

No, yeah. I didn't want to bring the no magnanim out yet. But yeah. Jim Reese McKee and Jim Kinan Song and then we could start talking about like some of the other. like Nico Price after he's three and oh yeah the Alex Marona well it won't be Alex Marono because they don't they trade together but you know what I mean no someone in that in that ilk but we'll never know how good he really is till he fights no Magni until then that's true all right all right uh thank you much um do do do uh that he beats Neil Magny gets fight Lee

Jillianong he has like he has like the most knockouts by like active welterways which is a crazy stat for me there's like seven knockouts the leech he's he's been doing this he yeah he's one of those guys like he's been a decade he's one of those fight like if you look at the UFC records like the top five like submissions or knockouts whatever none of them have fought for the title or have been champions because they fight more frequently Like the most knockouts in like the most knockouts are welterweight. I think they did the graphic up on the UFC like I can't remember who it might have been. Actually, Santiago he was in the top five.

It was like the only one on the top five in the UFC active USC welterweight for K.O record books is that's fought for the title is Wonderboy. And he's 40 something. And he probably could have more if he fought more active. But everyone else is like just incredibly active all the time. Well, you let me look at Derek Lewis's knockout record. I'm pretty confident like 90% of those are guys outside of the top 15. Matt Brown, same thing. Yeah.

All right. This is more question for onto the next, but we got Jose here. So let me ask. Is Coppilat versus Pereira the fight to make? I don't mind it. It's a very middleweighty fight. Yeah. I don't, I don't hate it.

Makes sense. Where am I going with that? Michelle Pereira and what are you going to say? Yeah, so I'm going, I'm going full. full weird. Like I want middleweight to be the weirdest it's ever been. And that's saying a lot after 2024. Give me Roman Coppola versus Paul Craig next. Let's just get super weird with it.

Sure. Great. Let's have some weird fun. Weird wacky fun. Coppilov versus Booneckle. Ooh. I actually really like that idea. That might actually be the correct fight. Paul, he can fight a guy that can mix the martial arts a lot better than Paul Craig. And we'll hit, yeah, and we'll hit Bo Nickel really, really hard.

God, that might be the fight. Stick it on the Miami card. Ooh, I might have to steal that. Is that going back in the rankings for? Doesn't matter. I don't know. Bo necks. I mean, I think it's a good fight for Bo, but I'm wondering, is that the name he wants?

I don't know. I'm just kind of. think he cares. Does he care? I don't know. I don't think he really, I don't think he cares. Well, I mean, maybe. I would rank, would you rank Roman Coppulov higher at middleweight than Paul Craig right now? Because I won't, yeah, because Paul Craig has lost three in a row in middleweight. Coppulov is like, who's he lost he lost to? He lost to Fluffy Hernandez. And that loss is, which is weird to say that loss is aged well because Fluffy's looks incredible as of late. Yeah.

But you would think if he loses a Fluffy, then Bo Nickel would like, oh, I can, I have a definite path to victory. So, I can see it's a fight that, I don't want to say a stay busy fight, but it's a fight that would, a relatively good path to victory for Bo Nickel. Maybe. But also gives Koppelov a chance to, you know, prove himself that Fluffy fight was just a bad night. Yeah. It's just a matter. Do you want some of the guys that like if Paul Crackett be in Bo Nickel,

Paul Craig is at least the name fans get behind? Yeah. Do you want if Coppilov beats Bo Nicol, what does the UFC do with Coppulov? Is he all of a sudden like a marquee name? Just call him Chase Hooper and throw him out there and see if anyone knows. That's like one of my favorite things. Chase is like all in on it. Chase rules.

That guy's awesome. So I keep looking up middleweights and I always like, who have they finished? And almost every middle way I look up as a K-O win over Alessio DeCherico, unfortunately. I know, man. Remember on Alessio just obliterated Joaquin Buckley? Yeah.

Now it's just like out of nowhere. His moment, he like, oh, this is it. His moment that he shit on like all the media and fans. Like he did, he was,

he finished his career six and one. I mean, one and six. and or something like that yeah he was like one he like lost three knocked out walking buckley and then lost three

had retired or something like that like he's such an interesting guy too and then he shows up at me at post fight he goes you guys did respect people that I beat it's disrespectful that you guys don't interview the losers and just walked out

that was like cool man cool man that was unbelievable I'm fighting I get it I'm personally, I'm actually way more interested in the losers interview than the winners. Yeah, but not when the loser's unconscious.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. A little off topic, but, no, on topic, but when I was at Risen, they would bring back every loser to the post-press area no matter how bad they lost. Like, guys came back to have broken ribs and they make them sit at, the sponsored bean bag too. So it's just, it's kind of a hilarious, just a picture.

Like, I just like, oh, yeah, exquisition. And they have to take little cute stuffed animals next to them because it's Japan because everything's cute. And they're just like, why am I here? They're like, yeah, that's not, yeah, I'll do better next time. And they just leave. Like one guy that got knocked out, he came, he came and he basically said from what the translator said, was, I don't know what happened.

Why am I here? I just remember the press conference. So I'm all about loser interviews. Those are the fun ones. All right. And one ass super chat before we get out of here. Stephen, boys, 115, 125, 135, which is going to be the standard division for women this year. Mike, how do you decide who interviews the fighters between Damon and you?

Wow, we'll start with the first question. There's, I mean, there's really no cute answer to the second one, but I'll give you my best shot in a minute. But, Jose, what will be the standout women's division in the UFC this year, straw weight, flyweight, or bannam weight? I think if Kayla Harrison wins the title, that would be really big. Because I think she's so good at MMA. But I think that if she wins the title, I don't think there's anyone particularly a bandom weight that will give her like a crazy fight or a crazy run. way lee is so good but she's just not that active i don't know why um she fought in boston and then she fought ufc 300 and then she's been almost a year since her last fight like march like april to

february um what 10 months um and i've seen her at the p i a million times like she's been guest fighter a bunch of times so she's been training i don't know if she's her she hasn't said anything i know if she's holding out for the valentina fight i think if if if wayley beats Tatiana, which is a tough task, and Valentina beats Manon, I do think they'll try to do Valentina versus Whaley at Flyweight, which would make the premier weight class flyweight, because that is an unbelievable fight if Whaley becomes a double champ or if Valentina beats Whaley. I think based on that fight alone, the flyweight division would be more interesting. But you got to be Tatiana Suarez, which is tough because we've been calling her an uncrowned champion

incensed you on the ultimate fighter. Dude, I could see Tatiano winning and doing an Ely. Sure. I'm going up and wait. I'm on two belts too. I think we'd be like, okay. Yeah, I would. I would not like it.

I think she would fight Verna. Give me a title defense first, man. Okay, well, one title. One title offense, but if you roll through really. I just need to see that she can fight multiple times in a year. I think, I think if, if Tatiana wins. If Tatiana wins. If Tatiana wins.

I think she defends her title against Verna at Nocha UFC or the winner of Verna Jan or whoever. Or they could do McKenzie Dern. McKenzie Dern is from Phoenix. I've heard there's rumors that the UFC might try to do Guadalajara for Nocha U.S. if they don't get the arena, they might try to do it in Phoenix. Tatiana is a Mexican-American fighter who's done Q&A's at Nocha U.S. before. It would make sense.

And then shoot, man. If Whaley beats Tatiana, she's, if Whaley beats Tatiana, I think Whaley would be my number one female pound for pound fighter. I think that would be really impressive. Because right now I have Valentina just based on strength of schedule and activity. But if Whaley beats Tatiana, I think she'll leave Frogs Valentina in my mind, especially if it's really impressive. I think I can't wait for that. Yeah, I think Flyweight can be the best division of the women's divisions in the UFC. but if Kayla wins and she can get Nunes out of retirement,

that won't be the best division, but that would be the biggest fight by far. That would be the biggest. I think that would be the biggest fight in women's history, probably. It possibly could. That's such a good. That's a good point. That's a standout.

Yeah. If Kayla wins and then like, what do you do? Like who does she fight? Kellevair? I mean, she's good Kavanavera. Like Macy, who's on a run, Norma, who's on a run? I don't know if it matters because I think maybe

just a strong dominant champion is something maybe that division needs me Rhonda never had rivals it was just opponents opponents until she lost Well Misha was Misha I guess was Well it started off of rivalry Yeah I got you

That's how she got popular Because she was a female that talked shit Yeah And backed it up I mean Kayla versus Yeah If Kayla just starts running through women That would that's

But Kayla, like what Ali said, like she was like peeing blood after she made weight. Like she's not going to be able to be one of these champions that fights three times a year. Yeah. And that's the scariest thing. Yeah. How long had her body hold it up. Yeah, because she hasn't made 135 yet. She's made 136.

She's not made 135. Yeah. So we shall see what happens there. And then the other question like, oh, it's just we, I don't know, people like, like, managers will reach out or like me and dame will just punch each other in the face and whoever wins like gets first choice it's just kind of how it works now we just we all have our people different people reach out to us to schedule interviews and that's just kind of it I mean there's really no rhyme reason behind it everyone has different relationships to different managers and fighters yeah and there are certain times or like we'll both get asked about the same fighter and it's just like we're in the him and I are always in agreement like yeah as long as one of us gets them, then good or her. And then we just do it.

Like, wherever gets him or her gets it. So, so, yeah, I mean, and things kind of pop up out of nowhere, too. Like, the other day, it was just like, all right, I'm going to do, you know, what I have to do during the day. And then I get a text saying, like, you could talk to Maraub de Wallis Philly at 745 tonight. Just like, and a couple hours before. I was like, oh, okay. I guess I guess that's going to happen. So you just never know how a day is going to go.

So I'm so glad I don't have to deal with that anymore. I'll stick to my interviews on site. Yeah, that's so much better, by the way. I enjoy that much more. But it's all good. All right. You can enter, you ever interview a power slapper?

I've done that a million times. No, but I'll tell you what. I long for the days. I'll tell you what. We joke about it. Interviewing power slappers on fight, quote unquote, fight week, there are so much more interesting that MAA fighters. I don't know if that's just, I don't think that's surprising because they're all

like kind of wired differently. Um, they are infinitely more fascinating than most MMA fighters. A, because they're not cutting weight and they're just dudes that slap people. Like I interviewed a guy and he was literally the reigning champion and his job wouldn't give him time off to like defend his title. So he just quit. So he just quit. So he just quit. And I was like, oh, God, this is so funny to me. It's not fun. like he quit his job like it's just it they're interesting people they're interesting dudes

the crazy wine just caring like until Elia's knock until post fight the crazy wine's interview was carrying our social numbers tell you that much unreal you know honestly that that should be the biggest selling point of the

the people not the actual slamming yeah I agree you know what they I keep telling I don't know why we're going on this tangent now, but like the crazy Hawaiian, his hand is like the size of a frying pan. Like we held our hands up and his palm is the size of my whole hand. And then he was showing me that you have like, you know that punch machine that test your speed at the PI? He has his hand speed is the same speed as Elia. And he's 300 pounds.

And he slapsed. I'm like, dude, show that. Like that's that is more interesting than who's going to be the power slap team. Like this dude slaps, this two stren pounds and has the frying pan for a hand and will slap as hard as the fighter of the air. You're welcome power slap. I just sold your fight. No, I was going to hit the music. But since we're talking slapping, let's go ahead and talk about it a little bit more.

What do you think of Victoria Dutakeva slapping and punching your coach after losing two for team of climb? I don't know what to think it was just like oh okay she's just like get away from me that was you see the there was a translation online and I guess her

her coach like she was like you didn't come over to check I mean you stood over there you don't care something like that and I think someone said like I think some I guess when they were reading the scorecard and something like

he didn't come into the octagon he just stood off to the side and someone tweeted that they were like it's one of those like fighter coach or actually like dating or married situation. I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's true,

but I've heard, I saw several tweets about it that, but they could, again, they could just be making all that up. It's MMA Twitter. It was a unique moment, for sure. I've never seen that. Are you doing research, Mr. Heck, right now?

Are you looking at it? No, I'm just seeing a tweet that's making the rounds. Benny P. is reporting Jack Delamatta, Adelaide, University of Edwards is now signed, sealed, and delivered for the London main event. But no disrespect to Benny P. He has gotten some things wrong recently. So we have to obviously do our due diligence when it comes to this.

But it's a fight that I've heard is being discussed. Don't they have the same manager? They do, actually. They're both Tim Simpson guys, right? Yep. Yeah. And I even remember, like, when, when they when he broke from paradigm and started his own thing like he wanted one guy from like every way class that he didn't want like overlap because he was working with wonder boy and leon and jack but like jack and him were both from perth and then leon was like the champion so that was like Walter way it was like the only way class he had two fighters and he's like hope they don't fight that's a bummer's they do but good fight yeah yeah if it's real we'll see we'll let you know as you know as we've been dealing with all week uh if you don't see it on our website

site. It ain't true. It ain't done. Don't listen to shenanigans. Don't listen to bullshit. Alex Prairie and fighting Alexander Volkov, you friggin morons. And I hear Diego, Dierre Dierre might happen, but there's also a million other fights that are on the table for that. Yes. Diego and Yair is part of a pile of fights being discussed. There's like eight fights on the table for Diego Lopez right now.

Okay. And Diego, let's just think about it. If you're like on team, Diego Lopez and you're offered Yair Rodriguez. Does that fight make any sense to you when you are potentially in a position to not have to fight again before you fight for the title and you're going to fight a guy who just came off a stoppage loss? What kind of sense does that make for him? Unless he just really wants to fight somebody. So let's just relax. Will it happen? It's not done yet, I've heard some other things on the table, but again, follow us. If it's on there, then you can get excited about it. If it's not, be patient, all right?

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