MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 109 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Anthony Hernandez Running Over Roman Dolidze

Episode Date: August 10, 2025

Anthony Hernandez may have had the best overall performance in the UFC octagon as he destroyed Roman Dolidze in a lopsided beatdown in the main event of UFC Vegas 109. Could "Fluffy" find his way in a title eliminator next, perhaps, against Reinier de Ridder next following the performance of his career? Following Saturday's card, MMA Fighting 's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew react to the event, the incredible performance from Hernandez in the headliner, and where both fighters go from here. Additionally, they react to the bonus winners, Elijah Smith's frightening slam knockout victory during the preliminary portion of the card, Steve Erceg getting back in the win column, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. All right. The Victory Horde sound, and they sound for Anthony Fluffy Hernandez. The buzz. Flying around Anthony Hernandez after this performance, unbelievable. I don't know if I've seen anything quite like it this year. I mean, I mean, I'm doing it, obviously got a lot of buzz after knocking out Charles Olivera, but just the M-May community buzzing, seeing fellow fighters, seeing

The post show on ESPN Plus hearing Chris Wyden say what he's been saying about Anthony Hernandez. Dean Thomas called that the best middleweight performance in three years. And it's kind of hard to argue with what Anthony Hernandez did to Roman Delizzi tonight. Just straight up embarrassed the man before giving him the bouncer choke in round four. What a performance from Anthony Hernandez. and a night where a little bit slogier than UFC Vegas went away, but ends in a bang. And so let's talk about us.

We get ready for UFC 319, the timing for this performance from Fluffy. Could not have been any better. I am Mike Kekin, joining us to react to another Apex, the Apex event, the one and only Jed to shoot. Jed, how we doing? Are you muted? I am muted. Hey, everybody.

That was a card. The main event was pretty rad. Hey, Casey is Mike the one is that we're having, we're doing great. It's not even late. It's 1040 on the East Coast. And we just watched Fluffy beat the shit out of some dude. So I don't know. Let's get into it.

Yeah, it was, uh, it was an asswup in Jed. I mean, what else can we say? Uh, I saw a lot on Twitter that Roman DeLidezay was going to be sort of the darling underdog of the week that it. There's in no world where Fluffy Hernandez should have been this big of a favorite against Roman Deleidze. You took him confidently as your climb. You felt that Fluffy Hernandez would win this fight and do so decisively. As somebody who believed that it would be a decisive win, did you expect that kind of a

performance where he just humiliated a top 10 fighter like that? Honestly, yeah. It's like pretty close to Zach. I was like pretty close to exactly what I thought was going to happen. Like I, this fight seemed so obvi. Like, I was astonished that he was only a minus 350 favorite. It's like, I slacked y'all early in the week when I saw the line. I was like, I thought he'd be like minus 600.

He's going to put belt to ass here. Like, this is not going to be competitive. There's like, I mean, one, I know that Dominic Cruz was like purporting that Roman DeLidez is like a great defensive wrestler, but like statistically he's actually an atrocious one. And not that like even he did a lot of defensive. wrestling in there. He just sort of fell over because the other thing about Roman DeLidezay is like he has historically not been the best cardioed fighter. And so like that was the big like part of the Vittori. Look at him. He managed to go five rounds because he was able to control his

cardio. Yeah, against a faded Marvin Vittori who is not Fluffy goddamn Hernandez. You're not going get to fight a slow methodical pace against Fluffy. And like I was live blogging it. And within two minutes, it's like this fight is over. Like it's, it's done. I know Fluffy hasn't gotten the takedowns yet,

but like he's giving ground constantly. And it's just, this is curtains. I wasn't 100% certain whether Fluffy would get a stoppage just because the leads a is a good grappler and has never been stopped before. But, you know, the old adage fatigue makes cowards of,

of us all. and like that's just he just put it on his ass man like Roman Deleide is a a perfectly fine you know top 15 guy Fluffy Hernandez is a dude who's probably fighting for a belt one day and like just this was a horrific style matchup and a great showcase for Fluffy

to you know kind of come out here and do the thing because I know that there are circumstances right for him he even mentioned in the post-fighter But the Brendan Allen, like this was supposed to be the Brendan Allen fight for him, basically, of, hey, you're on a big long win streak. Here's the guy who's got a W over you, you know, set the tone. You've got good position on this Seattle card in front of a crowd, come out here and send a message that you are, you know, right in the mix. And then sort of a stinker because he had broken ribs and, you know, sometimes it happens. no broken ribs here

main event sent a message he's one fight away now from fighting for the belt it's just who that fight's gonna be and who and look I know who I want this fight to be against

I think you have to I think you have to do RDR I think you have to because look RDR got a nice win over Robert Whitaker it's a fine win but there if you're comparing the buzz that RDR got

to what Anthony Hernandez is getting right now. I mean, it's on two different planets right now. Anthony Hernandez is so much more over than RDR was being Robert Whitaker. It's not even close. And like, I know, especially for you, your dream matchup is so close, right? RDR versus DDP is right there. We literally could be in a perfect world seven nights away from that fight being a real thing that we can put together.

It's right there. But at this point, like Anthony Hernandez versus Reuter-Ridder might be just so crazy. And it's almost like an appetizer for DDP. And I just don't know who else either guy should be fighting right now unless it is far and away without question RDR is the number one contender. Because I just don't know if you can make that claim right now. I don't think it's obvious that he's the guy that should be fighting the winner next week, especially when you have

Kyle and Naserdine Imovov who deserve that shot probably more than both of these two guys if we're being honest who does Fluffy fight next Jed do we just roll him in there with Rob Whitaker for him to dust up a former champion like how are we doing this?

I think he probably does fight already are next I don't think that's locked in like in a normal timeline 100% like that that fight makes all the sense in the world from a timeline matchup from a where they sit in the sort of hierarchy of contenders matchup, you know, like in a normal lifetime, if we lived in a meritocracy and where the UFC made decisions strictly about things that make sense in

are deserved, RDR would fight Fluffy. The winner of Nassanini Uavr, Cháhachar Bahia would take on the winner of Jikas 2 Plusi versus Hamzaa Tcha Myev next weekend. And the winner of RDR Fluffy would be caged side for that. title fight because they got next you know like it would be a to b to c progression never can be confident anymore that that's what's going to happen i i would say that that's the most likely outcome but i wouldn't say it's even 60 percent likely we're talking 55 because like i think there's also a very very real chance that if the imov bahio fight like if one

dude just blows the doors off the other, they're getting it. There's just, I don't think there will be a question in that regard. But if that's like a really nip-tuck affair, if we get, you know, an Alexander Volkov Cyril Gan sort of matchup where Dana comes into the post-fight and presser, actually it's Paris, Dana will go. Like whoever it is doing, Dave Shaw is back there or whatever doing the post-fight presser and is like, you know, I get it. For this joke, it works better if Dana goes to Paris.

Dana's in Paris. He's eating a crepe. He's pissed off. He's in France. And he's like, that's bullshit. Kyle Baha'aulio won that fight. Nassar de Niemav didn't. Blah, blah, blah.

Like, then the winner gets fluffy and RDR jumps in. I think that that is very much in play. I know that you hold a belief that's not entirely unfounded, but it's probably unfounded. That if Hamzot wins, Paulo Costa is in the mix. I just can't see that being real at this point. But I think the most likely outcome is you give him, you give him RDR and those two dudes settle up. But anything could be in play. Sean Strickland, Israel Dissnia, like anything's in play right now.

And I'll repeat, I hate the fact that I have to say into a live microphone that Paul Costa actually has an opportunity. potentially to fight for a world title if Hamzaa Shmaa wins because he told the story that Hamzat slid into his wife's DMs. And that alone might just get him a title fight because Hamzad said he wants to fight in Abu Dhabi. And if Paul Acosta just happens to be ready for Abu Dhabi, the UFC will absolutely make that fight. It's terrible that I'm even saying this. But it makes no sense. And in zero world, does Paul Acosta deserve that right now? especially over a lot of these guys that we just mentioned,

but it is the UFC and that's what could happen. As far as Roman DeLizze goes, Jed, I mean, look, I don't think we looked at Roman DeLieze as a guy that's going to fight for a title or anything like that, but a fine fighter, how does one bounce back from a loss like this? Because it's got to be tough, man. You don't. You just don't.

Like, I mean, the thing is, like, if Roman Deleez, it was young and there was like, oh, he could pull this off. He's like 37. He was never, he was never winning this fight. Again, I absolutely astonished that people were like, I don't know, it's like what? How many people are. He beat the corpse of Anthony Smith. And like, what are we talking about here? Like, this is he's going to get run over.

Like, this is just one of those things, right? like I believe if he has if it's never happened to him before in any of his previous career losses tonight will be a night where Roman Delead's a will go home and he'll get in that you know that shower and it'll sting all the cuts are there that'll suck and he'll just be in the shower for a minute and then he'll come out of the shower and he'll just be you know in his Airbnb his hotel room wherever it is and just be look at himself in the mirror and he won't go out where his family and friends are because he's just going to stare into his own soul and be like, I ain't never going to be that guy. I'm just, I'm never going to be him. It is, we talked about this a million years ago and we

did the Daniel Cormier, damn, they were good episode. And I need to go look this up right now because I don't want to screw it up. Who was the dude Daniel Cormier fought? Give me one moment in his UFC debut Patrick Cummings That's right All Pat Cummings Has a quote And I think he gave the quote

To Sheen Auschari Our former colleague But it may have been to somebody else But we talked about it at length Because I'm paraphrasing here He's like It was a quote from collegiate wrestling It's like

When Pat Cummings who was an accomplished Collegiate wrestler met Daniel Cormier He was like I hadn't lost a wrestling match In a hundred years You know, I was undefeated in high school. I was the best wrestler I knew. And I came up against that dude.

And I was just like, I ain't shit. I'll never be shit because that dude is so like. And that's it. Romans having that come to Jesus talk with himself right now. If he had never had before in his career, there's no way to not have it tonight. Because what's he going to do, Mike? Is he going to go back and get the best cardio in the game at 30. is he going to transform into David freaking Goggins?

No, like there are no tools for him. He didn't lose that fight due to a lack of skill. He didn't lose that fight because Fluffy just caught him one. He didn't get, he got caught in an ass beating because Fluffy Hernandez has Superman cardio. And Roman will never have that. And so he can still make money. This can still be his profession. But if he, whatever title aspirations he had, he would have to be.

fully delusional to have them at this point in time. And so I don't know how he's, you know, maybe he looks as like, I've had a good enough run. That'll be the end. Or maybe he'll just keep fighting because it's the best way to provide for his family. But, I mean, his career is over in the terms of like being a super relevant middleweight. I want to read a tweet from one of my favorite people in this space. His name is Jed Michoud the second. You put Jed back up here.

38 minutes ago, and I want you to elaborate on this a little bit. Quote, it will never ever happen, but Nixixix should stop this fight. No point Deleizzi taking any brain damage. The bout is over. You're just hurting your fighter. And then two minutes later, honestly, one of the more frustrating things in the sport. In boxing, they basically would never let this continue. If Deleizze gets hurt, it's for absolutely nothing here.

I'm super glad he didn't get hurt because, like, it is a good outcome. that Fluffy choked him, right? That Fluffy was just like, we're done here. As opposed to Fluffy, like, sitting on top of him and beating the shit out of his head. You know, like, that is a good outcome. But, like, it was, we had this talk very recently. It was super frustrating to watch Nick Sick in the Corner, who is a guy I respect, who obviously incredibly knowledgeable about this sport.

But the corner after the third round, the fight is over. The fight was over. after the second round like realistically but no rational or even like partially rational human being could look at Roman to lead day after three rounds and be like there's an avenue to success here it is entirely delusional by almost any like metric that we would use to be like you have a chance and he came back to his corner and his he has the thousand yard stare because he's in the fucking torture rack. And Nixick is sitting there as like, all right, so look, he's, and he's coaching like, this is a,

like he's in a competitive fight. He's like, you've got to get a finish. You need to be the one backing him up. But if he was going to do that, he would have done that. He can't. You have to know that. You have, like, I can see this at home. There's no world that you who know so much more about fist fighting than I do.

Can't look at this dude and be like, it's done. He gave it his best. effort and it wasn't good enough tonight. This happens, we talked about it, like said recently, in boxing, it is so common. We're like a fighter in much better shape than Roman Deleideze was in. We'll come back to his corner and his corner's like, hey man, you took a four punch combination and we're just not going to do this. You can't win.

He's better than you. There's no reason to go out there. And at the like, the first tweet was in between rounds three and four and then the first minute of round four when Fluffy literally walked forward and tipped him over like a drunken like high schooler at prom just like boop and

Deleez he just sort of fell. It was like what why? Like what is the benefit to him going out there? Thank God he didn't like really get seriously injured but this is the point of like the referee should never be the one to stop that. His corner should be looking out for him like hey man I'm sorry you can't win this one.

better luck next time understood it's a good way to look at it no doubt about it by the way at least six of the most egregious fence grabs I've ever seen in that fight and then Herb Dean finally takes a point away

and then the fight is over literally three seconds after I thought that was quite ironic I also want to say it was really cool I will also say on that like this is one of those times I was totally fine with not penalizing fence scraps because it was irrelevant.

Like, like legitimately, I believe that in his heart of hearts, Herb Dean, like he, you know, he wouldn't do it on the first four anyway. But I legitimately believe Herb was just watching it was like, why stop it? That's just going to take more time. This fight is not in question. We know how this is going. So why take everybody's time to do a performative point?

like, let's just, let's get a move on, you know? So I didn't have a single issue with it because literally after seven minutes, there was there was zero logical debate about who was winning the fight. It was purely a matter of how. One thing I want to say before we move on to bonuses. Chris Lee had a horrific night of judging. I mean, really just one of the all-time worst nights I've ever seen, except for the main event.

The only judge to give Fluffy Hernandez a 10-8 round and round. two. I mean, that was as clear of a 10-8 round as you will see. I gave him a 10-8 and round two and three. Yeah. I think it'd be very silly not to give him a 10-8 in rounds two and three. Yep. Like literally in the rules, like, and that's like, again, I know that I have a reputation that I want to throw them out. Like, the rules are pretty clear of like what is having in a, like, the impact that it has on your opponent is the most important thing.

It's not damage. That's like the theoretically the new rules that aren't in play yet. The phrase is impact. One dude literally looked like he was dying. Like he clearly was super impacted by what was happening for that whole goddamn fight. But there you go. Only 10-8 of the round. When I got a great deal on a great gift at winners, I started wondering, could I get fabulous

gifts for everyone on my list? Like this designer fragrance for my daughter. At just $39.99, how could I resist? This luxurious wool throw for my sister. This gold watch for my partner? A wooden puzzle for my niece? Leather gloves for my boss? Ooh, European chocolate for the crossing guard?

At these prices, could I find something for everyone at winners? Stop wondering. Start gifting. Winners, find fabulous for less. Karen, take a gas on bonuses, Jed. Sure. I actually haven't seen them. So there's not going to be a fight of the night, I don't think. I think we're going to go full, full performance bonuses for, I mean, there were four finish, five finishes on this card. Eros Medits should get one because that was pretty sick.

Elijah Smith is a thousand percent getting one because that was cool as shit. I give fluffy one because talk about an ass beaten. And then, I mean, I'm sorry for you, Jocelyn Edwards. but CLD gets the other one because spinning shit. First one goes to Fluffy Hernandez. I mean, how would you not? I would give him one. You're okay with that.

Elijah Smith, of course. 100%. Christian Leroy, Duncan. When you do a spinning knockout, usually you're going to get one. Spinning shit, baby. The fourth goes to not Eurospedic. Wow, tough scenes.

Jocelyn Edwards gets... dude medich's was much better than edwards like that's not even really up for debate like like edwards edwards sat her on her ass and then had a nasty follow up medich fucking killed the dude and then killed him one more time like it's objectively a better knockout i agree that was that was pretty nasty and he got knocked down like literally yeah he got knocked Lockdown, yeah. And it happened in 60 seconds as opposed to like two and a half minutes or like by any metric, it is a better finish. But there you go.

Hopefully Eurisbetish gets the little backdoor bonus, gets a couple of shekels, gets the old embellion. Again, stop doing performance bonuses. Just give finish bonuses. Just do that way better. Everybody gets finished, gets a bonus. Boom. Love that. Makes a lot of sense.

Vinnie Siggs, Vincenzo, is going to remain a UFC fighter at least for another day. Defeats O'Day Osborne, 29, 28. Got scary at first, but I thought Vinnie Sig's won the last two rounds. Yasmin Lucindo beats Angela Hill. Andre Feeley defeats Christian Rodriguez via split decision. John Matsumoto defeats Miles Johns via split decision. And Christian Leroy Duncan.

A lot of splities. A whole bunch of splities. Julius Walker and Huffiel Cirqueira. I thought maybe, Jed, we might live in a world where Julius Walker begins his UFC career with back-to-back fight of the Knights. Did not happen here. We talked about Elijah Smith,

one of the scariest knockouts of the year. Jocelyn Edwards getting the knockout. Women's Bannamway getting some finishes, Jed. What's that? Two women's Bannamway fights in a row. They got finishes? Yeah, I guess so. It looks better than heavyweight,

which went like three-fold. month without a finish for a while. I'm sorry, Carol Hosa did not win by finish last week. I apologize. You know she didn't. God damn, you know her Cornoli. Damn it. U.S. match, 632 second knocko.

Gabrielle Fernandez gets another win. Eric McConico gets a pretty controversial split decision win, but in all reality of where these divisions that these two gentlemen could compete in, not a lot there going on there. a lot of rising going up in middleweight or light heavy weight there.

So I thought Cody won. Yeah, I think that Cody probably should have won that fight. Yeah. I thought John Matsumoto beat Miles Johns, but that's a, that's a coin flip fight. I had that splitting. That's funny. Just however you want to do it. My recollection is that Andre Feely should have beaten C Rod and I'm not entirely sure why.

I thought he, I scored that 30, I scored 3027 for Phile. I was kind of surprised. Yeah. I'm not really sure why Sierra I got a scorecard in that one, but. Well, that's UFC Vegas 109. So let's bring in Casey. Let's bring in the peeps. And get ready for UFC 319.

Casey got the black Sabbath shirt on. Yeah. Hey, hey, on card. Fun card. A lot of mismatches and just got good knockouts. Oh, I wouldn't call it that, but. I, you know, friend? I did not.

I mean, there's some fun. I had more fun last week for sure. And last week I was up later. I will say it's only 11, which I'm a huge fan of. But I always thought I liked the last week's card better on paper and in actuality than this week's card. It wasn't terrible though. And the main, like the main event was cool. Yeah.

Well, look at me. I'm just, I'm just being overly positive. The early prelims were pretty fun. And then the mid prelimbs, which I kind of thought would drag it down, sort of dragged it down. And then we finished well. Yeah. I like that.

The problem is the apex is just soulless. It was way quieter tonight than it was last week. There was like nobody in there. It felt like a COVID card. And on top of that, the PFL pacing that the UFC likes to suddenly do now, it drives you. It drives nuts. It's like 30 minutes between fights.

It's wild. Can I say something about the apex that I've come all the way full circle on this? Not about the apex, but about the wonderful Joe Martinez. For the longest time, it was my biggest pet peeve in this sport that he would say, Vegas makes some noise if you are ready to the apex crowd. It tickled me pink this time because there were like six people there. And he's so, like he's so committed to the bit. It's like, you can't hear them.

There are five people. Why are we doing this, Joe? I'm all the way back around. Keep doing it. It's funny as hell. Yes. All right. What are the peeps talking about, Casey?

All right. Got some super chats first. $9.99 super chat from K03K. Jed with the Fax is a boxing fan that started watching MMA in 2012. I've been saying the towel should fly more often. I think the low round count of M. contributes to the go out on your shield mentality. There you go, Jed.

We're starting a movement. I mean, it's just like, that it really, and maybe it stuck out just because we'd had the conversation earlier this week or last week. I can't remember what it was. But like, it was so jarring to watch Nixick be,

like just act like things were normal. Like, it frankly would have been better to me, and I know that this sounds kind of stupid. If he was doing the like, rah, rah, go up and get him, as opposed to being like providing functionally useless technical analysis.

Like you got to get him on the back foot. And when you're like, dude, he is in the, he is in the bottom of the 12 foot pool. He can't hear a word you're saying right now. Like there's nothing is penetrating his head because he is exhausted. Why are we doing this? Like, are you just hoping that fluffy rolls his ankle? Like miracles don't happen. Just give up and walk away.

and keep your fighter healthy for the rest of his life. I understand what you're saying, Jed. It makes a lot of sense. I just don't think Delizier was taking enough. I guess I didn't see it. It sounds weird. I didn't see him taking damage. But I agree.

Yeah. That's the thing. Until he started to. Was the fight over in the fourth? Was it the fourth or fifth round? Okay. It was over in the fourth. Yeah.

Now. It's really good that Fluffy choked him. If instead Fluffy hadn't, it would have been like, cool. There's the unconscious. Roman Deleidze. Did we think that was necessary to happen? Like that's the whole thing in boxing.

When they throw, like when boxing corners stop it, it's not because the guy, the ref is bad at his job and the guy's getting blown up. It's like, oh, we'd like to stop it before it gets to that point because we, the outcome is no longer in question. The outcome was not in question. Yeah. I will say you see that in boxing, but I don't know how much you see that in no main events. Now, this is an apex card.

Are there really main events? It was the final fight. But I understand what you're saying and it's important to note that MMA just doesn't understand how dangerous combat sports is. There were, I mean, it's a whole other story, but there were two deaths in boxing

this week in the same card in Japan from boxing. So just a reminder that, yeah, this is very dangerous. I know it's kind of fun. It's like, oh, you know, like, look them they're brawling and stuff but like there's serious dangers in there so uh i think everything you say makes sense jud now i wonder what the actual career ramifications were like how would

like dana react to that if because i that would be unprecedented like i kind of uh corner throwing in a towel like that for a fight like this um now it's completely justified but somebody has to do it first and maybe tonight was the night. But the other part of it, which I haven't mentioned, it's just like, I, some of this is also a carryover for me from boxing,

but it's like, what was the Leadsay's offense? Tell me what he did offensively in rounds two or three that made you think he should still be. He was in full-blown survival mode for 10 full minutes. Like he wasn't doing anything. offensive. If he had been firing back and just getting overwhelmed, you know, like he is a man fighting against the rising of the tide. Okay, he can go out on his shield. He's the whole time

for eight and a half unrestricted minutes, he is functionally just like, I'm on my back, I'm up, fuck I'm down again, I'm back up. Oh my God, this sucks so bad. I'm going to grab the fence now. Like just, you got to just like, you. You're going to just like, you. He's beat. It's okay to be beat. You don't have to be forced to acknowledge it because, like, that's what Roman did. Roman, like, again, the joke wasn't like all the way in or whatever. He'd had enough and his corner wasn't protecting him.

And so he had to be like, I'm done, guys. This sucks and I'm out. And they could have done it two and a half minutes earlier. But how would the UFC treated that? How would the UFC treat Roman? and I don't think they'd have a single issue with it. I think they'd have been like, yeah, that dude was beating the shit out of view. I mean, that should be the reaction.

I'm not 100% sure that's what they would do, though. But yeah, you make a lot of sense, Jed. Yeah. Roman, you can see, you could literally see, it was like three minutes into the first round. You could look at Roman DeLite's face and you were just like, wow, he's done already. three minutes into the fight. This is going downhill real fast. He's breathing heavy.

He's giving ground. Yeah, he was breaking three minutes into the first round. I even put in our Slack channel, I'm like, Roman looks miserable already. And it's three minutes into the fight. And then by the time we got like two minutes into the second round, we're just like, okay, this is a wrap. If you bet on anything, Hernana's,

this is literally the easiest money you've ever made. He just had the look of a man who's like, oh, I've bitten off more than I can chew. Like the, the like terrible realization of I am here and it is now a test of how long can I survive this? My ego would like to make it to the final bell, but that dude keeps coming. There's a grizzly bear attacking me. And that's kind of, I guess, the horror, the horror of fighting someone like Flau Hernandez. because like you don't lose you you die a painful painful you yield yeah it's very different

like the way you lose to certain fighters it's just it changes it changes your life you know and he just hammers you too it's not just like he tackles you and lays on top of you and just like tires you out he bags you up the whole time like he is landing punishment at will It was just, I've just never seen a top 10 fighter just get smoked like that. Like Hernandez would just tackle him. He'd punch him and elbow him a whole bunch. And then Delizzo would go for a heel hook. And then Hernandez would just stand up and be like, all right, stand up.

And then you would elbow in the face again and just fall on top of him. And it was just rinse and repeat for 12 minutes until the choke happened. Like it was wild. It was so impressive. It is awesome. reminded me of back in i wrestled in high school and i you there are wrestlers that sort of do this at kind of all levels we had a guy who um was not like a great pinning artist like his actual like mat wrestling wasn't um like great he was super explosive an incredible takedown artist

and so he would just like get takedowns and then let like let his opponent up and then just do that until he tech fault because you get you know two points for the takedown and one point for the escape And so he would literally just get 10 takedowns like tech fall I win I was like that and you know once you give up one you get more tired and I was just like I was watching it and thinking that except for it was even funnier the commentary tonight was atrocious at all points. I I did really appreciate and totally agreed with Cormier being like dude he's not he's not even shooting like he's not wrestling he just kind of walks into him like he's not like he was doing. some like wrestling stuff at points. Like he threw a half Nelson in, which is funny as shit. He fucking locked in a cradle, which is like I think cradles should happen way more often. Like he was doing like real like high school wrestling bullshit for funzies, which was great.

But his actual takedowns were like he was just in Deleide's space and then Deleizze fell over. He, I swear to God, people who watch the NFL, Fluffy did a hip drop tackle for one of his takedowns. It was fucking incredible because Deleadze threw a right hand. And Fluffy was just on his, like, just all the way on his hips. And he just fell over. He just hip drop the ass down. I was like, he's not, like, these aren't like single legs with a like high finish to a knee tap. He was just like colliding into him and collapsing him.

It was awesome. Coming to this fight, no, I heard a lot of people know kind of say, you know, Fluffy is the marab of middleweight. But is he, is he, is Cain actually more more accurate? It's more correct. Yeah, he seems like the cane. I mean, obviously, he's not, he has to get there. He's not there yet, but.

Shit, R1 in the chat correctly. When Fluffy gets the takedown, let's, let's roam it up and immediately goes arm triangle and throws him down like a rock bottom. He's like, dude, he is just dummy. Like, if you're Eric Nixig, you just watch your fighter literally get pro wrestling moved. Why are you sending his ass out? You should have thrown in the towel at that moment for shame. Like it was unreal. Yeah.

And the fact I like the fact that Fluffy, he until the very, the submission in, he never really, he never went for the back, never goes for the back, even though the back is there. Like, because I think DC pointed out going for the back would actually give Roman a chance to recover and somewhat. He just rides that leg. Keep working. Just. Oh, you want to go to your back? Stand up.

I'll say we'll do it again. He goes. He goes for the back after like a gilly attempt. And if the gilly gets broken, he just slips to the back. He does that every single time. Like that's it, but that's the only time he'll take your back. Yeah. It's just like if a gilly attempt is just not there.

Or if you just happen to fall into a bouncer choke. It was just, oh my God. I've watched that finish like 800. I think that I think it was an accident, honest to God. I think he was just mad that Roman was cheating. And then he was just like, fine. And then Rome was like, oh God, he finally attempted to finish me. I can be done here.

He was Jason Voorhees, dude. He like Jason Voorhees choked him and dragged him across the mat. Like, it was so crazy. It was very disrespectful. You just do not see that at this level. That was just unreal, unreal. Man, okay. It was like, that was like Sean Strickland fighting an influencer, like a, like a kick streamer.

Like, that's what that looks like. Just these mismatches. And these are, it's him fighting a top. top 10 guy. And I think Deleizze was actually, I think Deleizzi was ranked higher than Hernandez heading into the fight. He was one spot above him.

And he was number nine, fluffy is number 10. That's crazy to do that to the ninth best middle weight in the world. It was unbelievable. Buddy, if I'm starting MMA right now, I'm not learning how to fight. I'm just learning how to have a 30 beat per minute resting heart rate and just be a cardio monster.

Like just like look like because that's it you can learn that you just got work really hard to get that one you know let me there's certain natural advantages but like most people can become really good at cardio if they just try their ass off at it and it's it's paying dividends for a whole shitload of fighters right now like you know you said you wrestle jed you know you wrestled and stuff like you know you've been in those wrestling rooms when it's brutal it's the worst place in the world it's the worst place but it's genuinely worst place. I've ever felt. Just this week, it was like, it's been 100 degrees here. And we had wrestling and Victor Henry was in there and he was cradling us and just like beating the crap out of me. But like, but if you get it, but if you make it through that, you know, no hour, no, no, 90 minute, no session, like, you realize like, dude, this is like, this is, this is the game. If you can fight this tired, that's the game.

And Fluffy does it. It is just unreal. It's unreal. It's, it's, how do you, how do you beat Flappy? Knock, I mean, you got to hit him. Cause he'll, he still like also does the like, he doesn't have a, like he has a fine chin, but his chin is not granite. But he believes it is.

Like, at times tonight he was like egging Roman Delizion to hit him. And it obviously was never going to be an actual problem. But like, there are people that that can be a problem with. So I honestly, I wrote this week in a mailback column. It was like, who if DDP beats Tom's out, which I think he's going to do, who beats him? And I was like, I mean, Fluffy would be the pick, but I don't know that I'd pick Fluffy. But I would just be fascinated to see Fluffy who actually doesn't get tired and DDP who clearly gets super tired, but just has tricked himself mentally to not believe in fatigue, which is the other way. to go about it.

It's an incredible, like, Jedi mind tricked himself to be like, I'm tired and I don't care, which is rips. And I would love to see them in the fourth round to be like,

I don't know who wins this battle. Actually not tired, man or man who's so delusional, he's somehow not tired. Because like, that's what it is. Like, very clearly,

Drickus 2 plus he is, his body is physically tired. And his mind is just like, nope. It's incredible. Ain't real. Ain't real. Yeah, like he's,

his body's heaving to get oxygen into his gigantic muscles. And his brain's just like, it's fine, we keep going. Yeah. Yeah. It's, as Fluffy made it to that,

I don't know what you call it. Is he one of your boys yet? No, because he's Mike's boy. I can't. I can't take Mike. You're not, you're not going to tell you?

Okay, okay. No, Mike has had Fluffy. Mike's been team Fluffy for ever. I don't even know, for a long time. I do like to watch Fluffy Fight. Yeah, I like to watch Fluffy Fight a lot.

And like when I was super critical of Marab, this is kind of why. Because like, I think Marab could just be doing this too. But he has instead been a decision merchant. If the Sean O'Malley rematches the start of Marab putting the hammer down, I'm in. That's pretty dope. We'll see how that ends up going. All right RS 40

Who are you picking To stop Fluffy streak I think nobody can right now For Deleezam giving him Robocop He can maybe be a Neil Magnet type dude Maybe I don't know how

Mentally It's not a bad matchup though Yeah it's fine But that's kind of where he's at right now And Yeah he's gonna be a little gunshot in there Deleez is fought You could maybe do like a Jared Canoneer matchup if Canonier loses to MVP.

I think he will lose MVP in a fight. That will not be all that thrilling to watch if we're paying. No, Delizze is firmly in the, hey, who's the new dude at middleweight coming up category? We're going to try and get him over by knocking off the number 10 guy or whatever. Yeah. Bruno Faheta. like that's guys like that uh

uh gremela scaer off if he wins his next fight so i so an actual real talk um and i haven't done like a lot of but i was watching it i think if i was game planning for fluffy i think the and who like could beat fluffy uh i think sean strickland would do extremely poorly against fluffy

and so like that's not the i I would like to see somebody put Fluffy on his ass because it's hard to put a lot of pace if somebody's just sitting on you. The best way to stop Fluffy from doing what he wants to do and setting the tone is to take him down and be like, ha, try and be real, real working now because I'm just elbowing you in the face.

So guys like Chimaev, guy like DDP, I think they can be very, very, very, difficult matchups in some ways. I think I think right now. I think maybe already are. I would pick, I think I would pick Fluffy to beat RDR. Like truly in my,

publicly and in my heart, I'm picking RDR, but he's a real big dude. And if he gets on top of Fluffy, that might be a real big problem. Yeah. I think RDR has, I think RDR would have a chance.

I think I would pick Fluffy to beat RDR, but I have to think about it. And I think GDP and Hamzot, are two other guys who I'd probably pick both of them to win right now, but I'd have to think pretty hard about it. I would pick Fluffy against pretty much everybody else without question. I really like Kyle Bahalio. So I've probably picked Fluffy, but I'm interested,

especially I want to see how the email fight goes. Here's the other thing. RDR is, again, actually one of my boys and just the frigging best. RDR is hacked MMA to some extent in that he is apparently one of six fighters that have figured out if you just knee somebody in the stomach it sucks super hard. Like I don't know how nobody else is figured out

like you don't have to knee him really you don't have to like wheel if you just literally raise your knee into somebody's belly it sucks like Robert Whitaker hated fighting RDR directly as a result of that and Flavvy's cardio is great but he eats like six RDR knees and some clinch and suddenly he might start slowing down too because that sucks. Was that the last loss by Fluffy and needed the belly from Holland? Was that his last loss or am I forgetting one? That was that was the last loss.

Was that that was the 2020 loss? Yeah that was the first yeah that was the first copier was it not. Yeah that's right. Hallam gone early needed the chest or the belly so just more fighters should be just hitting people in the in the tummies just hit them. Just hit him in the tummy. He was very, and Fluffy's been, like, pretty honest and been pretty accurate with everything that he said.

He said he was very, very injured for the Kevin Holland fight and probably shouldn't have taken it, but man needed some money for his bank account because the world had shut down. So that was, like, the biggest reason why. But he hasn't lost since. He's been a lot more, like, picky with his fights, like, want to make sure he's really healthy. Outside of the Brennan Allen fight, because he was just like, yeah, dude, I already beat this guy and I have broken ribs but I'll still beat him so I'll still take the fight I will literally just walk off the couch and be Brennan Allen in a fist fight and that's exactly what he did

it wasn't thrilling wasn't fun to watch but he did it so he's just he's just savage dude but yeah if I was game planning beating fluffy it would involve attack the shit because the thing like he's not a like actually like a great technical wrestler like he really really isn't. And like delete they stopped like the first two of them or whatever. It was the 27th. It's just the it is the way he puts pressure on. And so like Nixig is right. You should be the one coming forward. But literally every fighter should be the one coming forward. If I had a gym, my gym would be filled with cattle prods and I would stab anyone in the back, whoever took a backward step because nobody in MMA wins doing that. You should be coming forward. You should be

working the body because he will still have the cardio edge but if you can lower that edge by just sapping the gas tank with knees to the body jabs to the body that would be effective and putting him on his ass and seeing you know how if you could just play some other game on top like if if ddp got fluffy down i think that'd be like a real bad time for fluffy because basically if ddp gets on top of you it's real bad for most people. So, like, that's how I'd go about attacking him. Still might not work, you know? Like, it just might not.

There was a tweet, I think it was Zane Simon. It was after Maraub beat Umar. And he was like, if we could fantasy matchmake, the prime T.J. Dillishaw, who I think is probably like the best bantam weight of all time, like, if skill wise or whatever. And put him against Marab. Sure. Like, you know, TJ would be the better striker.

His amazing cardio, elite take down defense, much more athletic, faster, stronger, hits harder. Still probably going to be morale by making him tired. Like, that's just the thing. Like, you could attack Fluffy in a million ways. And he still may just win by making you tired. One thing I, like, I knew Hernandez was like a kind of a sneaky good striker. I didn't realize he had like hand speed.

Yeah. That was like the thing that. What you talk about that is striking. Yeah. His hands. Yeah, much better. Much better than even I gave him credit for. And I try to put him on a pedestal probably more than most because he's my guy.

But I was blown away by the hand speed today. And I know Roman DeLise isn't like super defensive, super athlete or super defensive guy. But he was quick, man. He was firing that shit out real fast. And Roman had no answers for any of it. So, yeah, it's just. Snappy right hand. Good.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just a lot. Yeah. when Fluffy came out, yeah, there's a lot to worry about. Got takedowns to pressure and, like, you can still hit hard, you know, so especially at the beginning. So it's, yeah, lots of, dude, who, middleweight. Dang it.

Got started it. You got started it, middleweight. You did it, middleweight. You did it, middleweight. You did it again. You did it again. Did it again. All right, a couple more super chats.

Do you let me. I'm talking myself into RDR because of my boy and I'll believe it. him. He's just my guy. He's a big goofy bastard. No one's like that. No one has, has anyone put Filippi on his back?

I really made him work him off his back. I can't remember. Yeah. So it's been, not that's like jumping out all the top. I like it off of the era at some points during that fight. Oh yeah.

Maybe. Which is like the beginning of it all where we realized that like you just could not kill Fluffy. The bench, you can't make him tired. Dude. But that was also a million years ago.

Marcus Perez got a take down on him. Oh, Adolfo got four on his ass, actually. So yeah. Yeah. So yeah. And Ardowdoch,

he couldn't submit him, couldn't really hurt him. So, you know. Anthony made him tired by. Yeah. Adolfo trying to submit him. You got to get him down and just punch him in the head.

Yeah. We're not playing the submit him game. Get him down. sitting top half card and elbow him. All right. Elbow him in the body. Just hit him in the body as much as you can to bring him down to your level. A couple more super chat.

A couple more super chats. Not about this card, but people want us to talk about it from Fahim. What's up with Sterling versus Ortega being a five rounder? Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. Didn't realize it was doing that. but okay. Aaron Pico and Lorone Murphy should be five rounds. I'd love that.

Aaron Pico would also love that, but that's not what happened. All fights between ranked fighters should be five rounds. I will die on this hill. It's a hill I've been on. Ranked being top 10, top 15. And you've got a number on it. You should be ranked.

Because, I mean, especially now, because if you're two ranked fighters fighting, your next fight could end up being for a belt. And so if your title eliminators should be a five-rounder. All divisions. All divisions. I know that there will be some ones that stink. But like, I mean, one, we should only be ranking 10 fighters, not 15 in general.

So we should probably not be doing it. Like the 15 is so, it's so random and now it's just ingrained. Like, we just rank top 10. And I, it is like when they did like here, we're doing rank as like, oh. this would at least be a cool thing to do about it. And then they, nope, they don't want to do it for reasons I understand. But yeah.

Ranked fighters should fight five-five rounders. Yeah. And then pay him more. All right. Thank you, Rahim. I really want to get me going, championship fight should be seven, but.

Oh, that's a separate issue. Nobody's on that take. Yeah. We could be getting, we'd be living in a world where we would get Sergei Pavlovich versus Waldo Cortez-A Costa for five rounds. Yeah. Oh, look, there will be some bad ones.

That's, you know, breaking egg omelet. Yeah. There will be a lot of bangers. I'm okay if that. Well, I'm just saying, championship fights, boxing, 12 rounds, 36 minutes, 25 minutes for championship fights. Feels like it should be 35 minutes. Then what's the, then boxing used to be 15 rounds and they moved it to 12 because of dangerous.

Sure. Sure did. that's for another conversation but thank you for him yeah because 15 minutes is 45 minutes of fist fighting that's so much also I kind of still wish it was because man those like legendary

old 15 rounders sick as shit oh yeah Andrew gosh with a super chat imamov's better than I thought email better than I thought or is he washed little column A little combee Yeah. Izzy's definitely, I don't know that washed.

His chin is not good anymore. 100%. I don't know if it's bad, but it's not good anymore. And Imovov is certainly better than I think most people, including myself, thought he was. Imovar's my guy. That's my guy. Yeah. So.

I mean, is he got knocked up by Peret? He did get him back. He was knocked down real bad by Sean Strickland and just got battered for 25 minutes in that fight. He finished all fight though. Yeah. Yeah. He did. I maintain that he badly hurt.

He was not conscious for the rest of that fight though, Casey. Oh, I. Like, yeah. That's why his like the last four rounds, he was just sleepwalking. I don't think he ever recovered from the knockdown the first. No, no, no doubt. No doubt. Yeah.

But I guess what is he finally never booked? we'll find out if he's washed or not or if he just had a couple of bad fights a couple bad nights we'll see give izzie roman that makes if this is boxing I think that's what the fight they would do and I think they should do and I think

but I think izzie everyone's got too big egos for someone like izzie they go all fight roman you know they all want to you know I don't know everyone thinks they're invincible forever so but yeah that actually does make a lot of sense The thing I would just point out about Izzy, and I said it ahead of the most recent fight, and basically he's had, I think, like 120 professional fist fights in a 20 year career. That is so much head trauma because that's not including their notoriously hard gym sessions. Like your brain just doesn't do that forever.

Just done. Honestly, you take more head trauma probably in kickboxing. On the gym. Oh, kickboxing for sure. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like 90% of those were kickboxing matches.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think he had like 90 some odd professional kickboxing matches and like some boxing too or like some moitai. Couple. It's like it's like very close to with encroaching on 150 professional fights since he was 20 years old or whatever. or an 18 year career as just

there are very few people who are just like fine after that amount. All right. Thank you, Andrew Gosh. What else we have here? I'm not sure what this is super chat though.

Six dockdowns last week while the ref twiddles his thumbs corner should have thrown in the laundry basket in the cage. All right. That was the fight that got us on to the whole. That was the old Stephen Wynn Muhammad Yaya fight. I muted all my socials on that because people were happy to chat about that. And it was seven.

Go let them fight. They'll fire their coaches. All right. Do it. Just do it and see. Let's see. They'll fire their coaches all the time. Everyone like.

Let me see. They'll fire their coach and they go to another coach who also does it. They'll be like, ah. I'll go back to later. perhaps I am the wrong one. Or perhaps they'll just go, they'll be mad and they'll fire the coach tonight. And then the next morning their wife will be like, you know, fucking firing Jimmy? He kept you alive.

Suck it up. Deal with it. I get to do those coaches that they're like, okay, whatever. I made $14 off this fight. Yeah. Yeah. That was the best argument. It's like the coaches get paid because the fire is like they're getting 10% of 10K, man.

like they're making more from the random people that don't do Tybo in their gym. Yeah, like they break even after they pay for the free. This is a labor of love for them. Yeah. I don't think the Ham and Yahya's coaches are making more than like. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

That's just crazy. Yeah. It's like if you, you guys have no idea how the economics of coaching works and mixed martial arts. All right. Terrence Leverett. Not an M.A question. Best guitarist from 05 to today. I don't have a clue, dude.

Not my category. That's a random one. I have to get back to you on that one. Casey, Joseph Bose's most recent question is one we should talk about because we haven't really talked about this. Is Yasun Lusendo fighting for the belt? Is that the question?

It's not it. It's a thing. that we should talk about from this card that we like mentioned. Elijah Smith? Elijah, correct. Let's bring up the Elijah question. Was Elijah Smith finished a little late after that power bomb? The ref was too late to stop the fight.

So he landed one follow-up shot, I think, that was incredibly unnecessary. I don't blame the ref at all because like, it's how I would react if I saw a grown man lift another man above his head and then hurl him. to the core of the earth, like the goddamn asteroid in fucking Armageddon. Like, I would too be a little stunned and delayed. That was sick as shit. That was so violent.

That was so... Go Casey. Oh, no. No, you talk about how bad that could have been. I don't know. I don't want to go there. It's a full-on-erone aronabom. Like, it's the most erroneobomb since the errone bomb, basically.

the view from behind where not only do you see him Elijah Smith lift also Elijah Smith's one of my boys you see him lift you see him even like go into that like back pocket like when you're trying to get a little like 10 extra yards in your driver and you really crank it back you see him arch the back back because he's going for it he's going as deep a stretch back

and then boom it was incredible I just missed my boy and I knew he was going to win this fight but that rocked yeah he slammed him like with his forearm right on his face gotta do it can't even make it more intense

yeah that was scary one man he was he was out for for a hot minute you know what I am I am looking at the replay right now and that was I mean I know we're talking we're having fun and talking about it but it was actually a late stoppage by the ref too I mean I know the amazement factor like Joni Carter

when those two guys got knocked out. The follow-up shot was just like incredibly unnecessary, but I don't remember. You know, Mike, you wouldn't know this. It was like when there's a big slam and pro wrestling. And the ref sells it too. The ref sells it like, whoa. There's a Dave Hapner

right there. Yeah. But unfortunately, this is real fighting. And that was actually, as soon as that guy got above Elijah's waist, he shouldn't have saw what was coming. It should have been ready. And I, yeah.

I'll give him a little. Yeah. Uh, yes. I'll give him actually. I will give him this little bit because of like his position when dude went up. He is, he's stepping out of the way basically of like where the power bomb is going to land. And then he's trying to circle to the other side because he does not have vision to,

uh, uh, Zama's face because of like how. So he's trying like, and then by. that's like he's it's late because he should have just been able to realize oh that man went up and then came down very hard i could probably just grab elijah smith and not even see that dude's face but he has to he has to do a full circle to the other side at which point elijah smith is hammered

several unnecessary punches in it should be like one of those like moitai refs when they catch the guy before they fall down molyte ruffs are the best dude they're so good but and that and people forget That was also like basically a 10-8 round until that going to that last minute. So it wasn't like this came out of nowhere. That guy, a kid was getting killed. A kid was getting killed. Man, that second one is just so unnecessary. Yeah.

I mean, the first one's not necessary either. But you can kind of be like, okay, heat of the moment hasn't been pulled off. And it's not like it's dirty. But the second one, like he is looking this man in his dead eyes and just hitting. him. Yeah. Shit. Myr Smith's good.

I love him so much. The second one was his childhood trauma coming back. I'm now watching it a thousand times on repeat. But yeah. That's all the replays are kind of watching the real clip and like a real time. So yeah. Would you like to know the great irony of ironies? I do this year or most recent season of Contender series, I tried to do like player

comps for like my favorite ones. and Elijah Smith was one of my favorite prospects, super young, super talented. My, my like blurb on him is explosive grappler, but needs more of a killer instinct. Player comp was a gentler A.J. McKee.

Fuck if I'm wrong on that, he got plenty of that killer instinct, I guess. Got that wrong. But we were talking about the card in general. look this card we had the breakout performance with Fluff Hernandez I don't know if we want to knockout the year because maybe it was too low level of fight but like one of the knockouts of the year

and probably to me one of the submissions of the year too tonight too so like I just uh and then last week we yeah it just had a middle section that was tough yeah yeah and last week we had two fight of the year type fights on the card so it's just um these freaking freaking apex cards man I hate him you never know

It'd be a lot cooler if that were. Like the Fluffy thing would have been so mega in front of, like even like a small crowd. You know, we'll have to do a big venue, but yeah. If Fluffy did that last week after the two lightweight fights, like that'd be pretty sick. That'd have been real sick. Yeah, that would have been pretty rocking. All right. One more super chat from Stephen.

Jed, you were at dinner with RDR, DDP Fluffy. You first question we asking just to get the horns, Pac-a-Porter, you watch the CrossFit game. So, yes, you got RDR, DDP and Fluffy at the dinner table, Jed. What's the first question you're asking, sitting at the head of the table, I'm sure? Look, Fluffy is getting passed over, and I'm sorry for him, but he's not one of my boys. I like him. He's not one of my boys.

The question I would obviously be asking is, how do we make the two of you fight at least once, preferably three times. I can't stress to you like, if Hamzot pulls it off, I will be sad next week for like a minute and then I'll be like, never mind because if Hamzaup pulls it off, it's, sorry, Fluffy, you're not getting RDR

because we are absolutely at that point doing RDRDDP is the main event of UFC, Johannesburg in 2026. And I'll be flying to South Africa for the first time. Like that I think I know how that fight's going to go and I want to see it so bad I've honestly don't know that I've ever wanted to see a fight more like it's so stupid and so but also so great like it will be such high level it is the like the perfect fight for me because it is incredibly high level and goofy as shit and that's like that's my wheelhouse baby

that's what I want to be in. I need that fight like I need air. Yeah. I mean, how can you argue with that? How can you argue with that? Do I watch CrossFit Games? I did watch some of them. I know we watched like the opening event because we were doing like a workout as that was happening.

And then we did the first of the exact first event workout the next day, which is the four mile run, the 3,000 meter row and the two mile. run right after. And that sucked. So there you go. Hell yeah. I mean, I didn't read the article, but I just saw the headline posted for Fluffy talking afterwards.

And earlier when I was like, I honestly think Fluffy just got mad and choked him by accident because he kept cheating. The quote is, I saw the neck and I was just like, F you. I was like, yeah, he just got mad that Roman kept cheating. And so he grabbed, like, he wasn't. trying he wasn't trying to finish him but he was like god damn it quit cheating ah and then suddenly that was the tap i nailed it that's the best and honestly delisette cheating was probably the smartest thing he should have been grabbing the fence way more honestly oh yeah this this is the time when you cheat

when you were getting your ass kick you that's when you cheat that's the time to do it like if someone has no yeah like yeah you know i don't know i love that so much i just saw the He was like, F you. He didn't say F. That was also charming when Daniel Corm was like, Fluffy, I'd like to remind you that we're on ESPN because he said fuck like four times in the spades of 60 second. He really drove home the preview show when Jose was like,

Fluffy can't be monetized on YouTube. He'd like immediately show you why. Oh, yeah. Dude, it's literally, it's impossible to write up his interviews because you have to put different sort of markings on literally, every sentence. Every other sentence, there is an F word. It is pretty remarkable how much. I think the last time I transcribed him, I just copy pasted F and stars or whatever, so I could just plug it in. Like, I could quick do it instead of having to punch it in. Smart.

All right. And our last chat before we get out, super chat before we get out of here. Take the sleeves off, Casey. This is an apex card next week, baby. Next week. Next week. I mean, next week. Next week, what a joy. Casey's going to have to wear sleeves on his legs next week because it's UFC 319. Like, that's, we're doing like the anti, the reverse of everything,

because we're finally getting Dr. Kyi's versus Hamzaa Chimaeuf. It's happening. It's happening. Making his UFC debut against Lorone Murphy. Knock on wood. All at all, dude. Pretty solid card.

Like, what else? Carl's protest, Jeff Neal's a, that's fight's actually real bang. A bigger. That's a banger and a half. Jared King and your MVP is probably going to be weird and bad, but. It's a fight that's going to happen and it will officially go on. It won't be curious.

I'd be curious. He'd be curious fight. Tim Eliy Kais, Kerr will be fun. It'll be a very fun, like, just hyena type fight. King Green Diego Fahara. Someone's probably going to sleep. Gerald Beardt by Kill Alexeychuk. Probably someone's going to last.

It's not going to last very long. Fight ain't going to last very long. No. Just got Drogh Lupi Gaudinias. Casey's people's movement right there. Yeah, that's a great fight. Chase Super Alexander Hernandez is a really good fight too.

Really good fight. Edson Barbosa, it's your car close. That's going to slap. Nerseltin Rutsabaya versus Brian Battle. That's a good one. Karine Silva, Deoni Barboza. And then a couple of tough fights.

Tough finale fights. I'm going to bring a deep dish pizza and some Chicago dogs to your house. Let's go. We feast on Chicago things. I don't know what other Chicago things there are. Maybe we'll put some Ivy on the walls like Wrigley Field. Oh, now that's that's using you.

Now we're getting a little crazy. Now we're cooking with gas. Cooking with gas. There's the music. It's been real, everybody. Thank you all so much. AK and I are going to do some matchmaking tomorrow. So join us for that.

should be a rousing good time. Submit your matchwings, concessions as you normally would. Next week's on to next one will be live right here on this YouTube channel. So getting credit for that, following UFC 319 and Jose is heading on over there. I'll be a PFL next Friday. It's going to be a lot of...

Italian beef. That's a great idea. Well, whoever said that, well played. Yeah, that's a great idea. Yes. The bear, baby. The bear. the bear.

Well, thanks, everybody. Good night. Bye, bye, bye, friends. Love y'all. Fluffy versus RDR. Book it, UFC. Let's go. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.