MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 112 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Manel Kape Destroying Brandon Royval, Wild Post-Fight Interview

Episode Date: December 14, 2025

Manel Kape did everything he needed to do in order to earn a UFC flyweight title shot against Joshua Van, both in the fight and on the microphone inside the octagon. But did the incredible first-round knockout victory for "Starboy" against Brandon Royval clinch his first opportunity at UFC gold, or is Tatsuro Taira ahead of him while Alexandre Pantoja heals up? Following the final event for the UFC in 2025, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew react to UFC Vegas 112, Kape's sensational performance against a tough out in Royval, his wild post-fight interview with Michael Bisping, and his title hopes. Additionally, they discuss Kevin Vallejos' spinning back fist knockout of Giga Chikadze, Melquizael Costa's stoppage win to improve to 4-0 in 2025, the good, and the very bad heavyweight action throughout the card, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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because it was trending in a pretty bad direction like this this felt like a 12 hour event for a long time and then milky costa comes through and changes everything. The momentum starts to shift. Kevin Valleos goes out there and just wrecksky at Chikaze. And then Menel Kopp shows up in the main event and may have just punched his ticket to a championship fight at 125 pounds. He runs over Brandon Royval, knocks him out at least twice, maybe three times in one sequence.

What a performance from Starboy. He told me earlier this week that the headline would be Starboy is Starboy. I'm the next title challenger, and he may have just accomplished all of that with this performance tonight. And with that, welcome to the post-fight show. Welcome to the end of 2025 for the UFC. Welcome to the end of the UFC on ESPN era. I am IACN and joining me to react to everything. And we're going to mix things up a little bit here because you guys are the best.

He is Mr. Notary area, the hot day kid himself, one and only. Jed Bishu. Hey, Jed. This is a stone gold lie. It's not a lie. You are the best and we love you, but that is... So cold, lie. You're just lying through your teeth, like, well, why we're mixing things up.

Look, this car wasn't very good, but it did end very well, right? The top two fights were significant. They were obviously, I mean, they were the most significant by definition once the Limosh fight fell apart and got bumped back a few months. But, you know, there were some, I'll say this for this card, right? It was bad, but the people you would have wanted to do stuff, they did it. They came through, right? And like, this was, I wasn't on the preview show, but we talked a little bit about this

on BTL this week and some other stuff. And I was actually pretty interested in this card on paper. There were just like some, like there were some high quality fights on it. And then there was, you know, like some dudes and I have some level of interest in. And all of those people, they did it. They did their jobs in the best way they can do it. And everybody else, the support staff of this card, you know, you've got the five-man roster on the floor. they're giving it they're all their score

in a plus you know 15 20 the bench players here they didn't do shit Mike they are that meme I'm doing my part I'm doing you know Manel cop I'm doing my part Kevin Vallejos I'm doing my part the Cesar's

I didn't do effing shit that is what this card was it was have and have nots baby yeah that that's the best way to say it The good was good, the bad was bad, and Marcus Pichetia fighting to a draw. It might have been the funniest thing that happened all night.

But shout out to Herb Dean. Shout out to Herb Dean. He actually, he said he was going to do something. And boy, he did it. He did it, and I'm proud of him. But he should have been doing it for the last several years that this rule was actually on the books. But, hey, the man spoke it into existence. Brennan Fitzgerald brings it up during the break.

on your show, Michael, didn't want to get the name of it wrong and then boom, Herb Dean takes the point. I was so proud of him, Jed. Look, he wasn't, Mark Smith was the bad ref today. Herb Dean did fine. I know that main event. People are going to talk about it. I don't think it'll ultimately be controversial, but because Royval, you know, disputed it so quickly, you watch the replay it. I think it's a totally valid stoppage. I probably would have let it go personally, but I don't, I think that's,

he he got dropped twice in very bad ways the second time he like actually went stone cold limp and herb's timing i think it was just a herb was trying to intervene after that and he got a little delayed because it takes a little minute for your brain to act and by the time he was actually getting in there brandon had already woke him back up so uh he did fine that fight was so bad Mike, honest to goodness, like I, when they announced it a draw, I forgot that a point had been taken. I was like, well, how

was that a draw? And it took me a minute to be like, oh, yeah, that's right. That fight was Kenny Nunchucks and Marcus Buccia, that's one of those ones where like maybe both guys just don't, don't come back. Yeah, heavyweight is just

God, you're telling, like my You said that, but the other heavyweight fight was gangbom. What the Sharap one? That was good. Yeah, that fight was awesome. The passive fight was good. But the one before that was not good. That Guillermo Pat fight was not good. Oh, I forgot there was a third one. I don't, at least with the Kennedy and Zuchuku, Buchetia fight, like that fight makes sense. I understand that fight exists. Which age as a wildly decorated grappler and Kennedy's been in the UFC for a long time, has wins, his losses. Totally makes sense. The other fight was on paper. They did this like two weeks ago. This is just a contender series heavyweight bout. And it's one of those ones that Dana wouldn't even give a contract to.

So why is it on a UFC card? Just don't do that. But they did. And, you know. You're telling me that Waldo Cortez-A Costa did not deserve a spot on this card. I am. You can find any of these three fights. She could have.

It would have been fine. 30 seconds. I had three. Like, I was so. live in fantasy three weeks ago when I was like I have three five the most fighters left to play and they're all in very winnable fights and all three of them lost definitively and it was a real bummer like I had nine losses on the fantasy season I know you had six dudes that didn't or five dudes I think you'd five fighters not compete I had nine losses my nine that's so many

losses. Kevin Holland out here losing twice is so bad. Unbelievable. So what we're saying when I say that we're mixing things up, we're just going right to you guys. We're going right to the peeps. There'll probably be a mic check at some point.

There's not a lot to say here. There's two, I'll point out in particular. There are two things to talk about. Three. I would actually say three. There are three mics to talk about. There are three mics to talk about. Okay. I think so. There's two that I remember.

Well, there's one from way earlier in the night, so I get it. But the Stephen Aspland, I thought, was actually quite a good post-fight speech. Oh, okay. I didn't. I heard some of it, but... Do not? Oh, it's basically, I don't know if you ended up watching his continuity serious thing. It's an extension of that, but like he is, you know, he'll eventually get milkshake duct, I'm sure that I just, I would find it surprising if he's... me and that man agreed on a lot of things socially like socially um but you never know but like he is not doing you know whereas like josh hockett is being a special boy uh he is like he's

actively using aspline is actively using his platform to be like hey if you think you're ugly and fat i mean he's not saying it this way but it kind of comes off that way it's like it's fine you are ugly and fat but that's okay look Look at me. I'm ugly and fat. I used to be 500 pounds. And that's, and look at me now. Like, he's, it's very aspirational and inspirational. Um, he put his dad over big. His dad was, uh, yeah. His dad was in the cage. And it was like, I stole my dad's nickname and his career. I'm like, you know, he just, it was, it was the kind of thing, especially after that performance where you're like, the UFC has something here. I don't think it has something. something that will go far because I think he's limited even at heavyweight but like he they should continue to give him winnable fights because that's a dude who you know not bad with the mic to get a good message out there so I liked it a lot yeah I mean there's plenty of heavyweights that he could fight if you want to get him with so many heavy weights and he comes off as an

extremely down to earth a like guy like fighter next door vibe and so it was a really good one I had I got tremendous humor out of that it's starting to come back to me now because you literally on Slack I don't want to like but I'm just going to say it anyways you're like man this guy could be really good if he was like a good athlete oh I did it just fine

was like I was 525 pounds and I was an incredible athlete and I'm an even better athlete now if he's the same person he is now 525 pounds yeah he's a pretty good athlete That's the thing, like, I, I, when I was, when I was, when I was, uh, analyzing him coming off contender series, like, it's just 13 seconds. There's not a lot to analyze, but you look at him and you're still like, okay, he's actually has some ideas. And this fight I actually got to see him fight a lot more. I'm like, he is, he is like, he's basically the like, you know, off brand version of Waldoch Ortezicosta.

Um, but WCA is like a much better athlete and that's going to. be the actual dividing line in their careers and if he was like he can hurt you because all heavy weights can kind of hurt you but if he had like real pop he'd be an actual problem but like he's and because he's tricky as hell like he has he and showed a really good chin like shraf i don't know if shraf can crack crack but he hit him a bunch and he kept rolling it uh like i i thought aspen actually showed like a pretty given how little experience he has like He's actually pretty decent at fighting. He just has some, like, clear athletic limitations that I think are going to be a big stopper for him.

Well, we'll see how many asked one questions we have today. It's just going to be Q&A the rest of the way outside of the mic check segment. We'll do it a little bit. RS40, MSOF or not, would be sick. Costa versus... Well, we're not doing MSOV or not. Don't, don't be a nonsense person. person.

No, thank you. He gets a rank. If he had come in and laid on Neil Magni for 15 minutes, we could do another like, okay, not a number guy. This is a former Bellator champion. He's lost to one dude in like 20 years or whatever the hell is incredible streak is. And the Neil, like we talked about this before.

This is a perfect setup fight. This is a guy who was a perennial top 15 guy, not there anymore but still like had won some good fights lately is still in that top 25 thing like test the waters you know okay this is he didn't patchy

mix this shit he came in and he ran over Neil Magdee like I did not see him I had I climb this week it would have it would have either been a PFL parlay frankly of the two favorites in the main

or if I was going to do a climb this week i was going to shoot the over here even though it wasn't even like remotely near minus 500 i was going to take the over one and a half which i think was like minus two something because like this is definitely going long it's neil magni he's he's durable dude in general i'd look like a big dumb idiot because assimov ran over him that he gets a number he doesn't get foggadinov is like the worst fight a very difficult opponent that isn't ranked like no he gets leon edwards or something oh I just pulled Leon out of the ether

but like that'd be fine former Bellator champ versus former UFC champ I think you do God this division is very lightweighty right now like three years ago lightweighty where we need to get some people out of the way here There are a couple of guys But they've also most of those people have slid

Yeah, like they're on the top five Yeah but like yeah There's still a couple Yeah there's still the Oussman's there And who's not going to fight anybody unless it's like for the belt at this point give buckley Asimov

as punishment for all I love that idea that's that's it I love that idea Buckley and Amasov and I'll teach Buckley to call out Hamzot sort of it was a real weird bike it was real weird

it's been a bad week for Buckley man God he's trying to stay in the in the you know famous I did appreciate his little skit that he did acknowledge he doesn't have 50 grand I did that that was at least like a pretty good because the

whole time I was watching it was like this is very silly and then at the end he's like oh wait let me get another fight to a bonus I was like oh you got me man that's pretty good I kind of like was getting a kick out of the gimmick that this whole like oh everyone's turning me down gimmick

I'm like who who is turning this fight down right now I don't understand is it I'm trying to think like which welterweight would not benefit from fighting Joaquin Buckley right now it's a great question but I love the Emma Oussman

because he just fought him yeah it's Colby because they just fought yeah that's about it I think Colby at least could maybe win the fight I think Gabriel Bonfim saying no I don't want that fight I'm going to fight Colby or I'm not fighting ever again like what are we talking about here Bomb Fem seems like a totally reasonable guy

he's the odd man off's good fight i like that fight too fine too yeah one of those two but yeah amazon gets somebody with the number i i think it will be quite garbo if after that performance he doesn't get a a guy with a number come on yeah uh shout out for a heavyweight getting 163 strikes at 1.5 rounds your boy uh he's somehow joe piper holloway brys mitchell and an english bulldog i'm here for it what description right there. Yeah. I don't get, he's not really Joe Pfeiffery other than they came from the

Contender series, but different vibes from the Contender series, certainly. But yeah, look, I think I wrote in my breakdown of it, and I don't remember if this made the final edit or if it got cut, because like when I first write my

Contender series breakdown, it's like 10,000 words and then I start pairing it back. I think I wrote like, I would really like Steve Asplen to have a career. Like a, I don't know if he will, but I would like him to have it. And this is like why. I think he can at the minimum be a really fun, you know, somewhere between Chase Sherman and Waldo Cortezico stuff.

And so I, this was a great debut for him. Chase Sherman getting a lot of reps on these shows. I feel like that's the name I brought up a lot. and glad to see it's staple the heavyweight division yes uh lazy bed herb told us the new rule is to enforce the rules

I'm so proud you have to enforce those rules man I was like if he doesn't take a point right now I'm going to lose it what was dope is him not him taking the points which is good one actually I loved Sanko noting

correctly they're like oh um technically the extending the fingers is a foul, and then the eye poke is also a foul. So it's actually two fouls, which I had never really thought of, but is absolutely true. It's like, oh, and shout out to Mark Smith, who, I think it was King Green, kicked a dude low twice, and Mark Smith was like, at least two times tonight, Mark Smith said, that's the second time you've done that, watch it.

And it was like, way to go, buddy. Are they going to do it a third time? And you're still just going to be like, you stop doing that. You know how you get them to stop? Make them pay for it. And he was actually the referee in the Sean Chirap Aspen fight who allowed that fight to go on way too much. Oh, yeah.

I honestly totally forgot. That was easily the worst thing he did. That was, I think it was Danny Segura tweeted out. So you stopped the Tyra Moray. no fight but this one you let go and it's just like kind of yeah that's sort of the vibe is like why like that one there was at there was at least one full he moved to a different section of the cage where i was like you can stop this and maybe it was two because aspirin would come and just throw like a 20 piece at him and then as far would sort of lumber off to another cage section

and Aspland would follow him down and throw a bunch more. And that happened a bunch. And I was like, what do we do it, Mark? He keep, like, I know that technically he's on his feet. And once every 23 seconds, he throws a hard right hand. But like, he's getting bludgeon. You're just trying to watch this man die. It was crazy.

I don't understand. I truly don't understand. R.S. 40, what's wrong with Joaquin Buckley? I think, I mostly think that he just thought it'd be funny. And to some extent it was, frankly, I do want to give him that credit as I've already done. And he doesn't know where to go right now because the Walterway Division is, to be fair, all of the guys at the top of the division aren't going to try to or be willing to fight him unless they have to. they're all kind of crossing their fingers and hoping they randomly get the title shot so and he just lost and there's not like a ton of other super obvious names for him right now unless he wants to do the like call out belal mohammed thing or whatever and so i think he just saw an opportunity is probably what he should be doing i mean probably but i think he just saw not he you know he beefed with hamzat forever and that was to his credit frankly because that was when people weren't really

trying to fight Hamzot and Buckley was sort of semi consistently just being like I'll fight him I'll fight him and he never you know he raised his hand a bunch and he never got that fight and so I think he's still just sort of trying to keep that alive and I mean we hadn't talked about Buckley in a while and so he did get his name back out there yeah and then I saw the video of him calling out Shopcott I'm like why would you do that like you're just I mean, what do we do in here? I get why he's not calling Belaw. Then I was like, the Shopcott thing makes even less sense.

Like the below one, like, he's just going to get tackled the whole bunch. He's going to look exactly like the Ooswood fight. And then, I mean, Shopcott might just run him through the mat at this point. I mean, well, like, he can't call Sean Brady out because I wouldn't go very well for. I mean, that's actually a pretty good spot to be, too. I don't. They're both like, they're like the two highest ranked guys who are not in the title conversation. Yeah, but Sean Brady would just tackle him.

But so would shop God, so would Bilal. I would go very poorly. Belal might not tackle him. Ballal sometimes doesn't tackle people. Not anymore. I think he should be going for Balaw. The only downside to going for Balal is Ballal is on a two-fight losing street. Um, but he also just lost a fight.

So I think he should be trying to get ball. Yep. Um, but, you know, I honestly, I don't know what's in Joaquin Buckley's head. We are talking about him though. And this is one of those times where at least the Connor one, like sure, we were talking about him, but we were just mocking him for being the worst thing ever. And I don't believe that that's good publicity. This, you can argue.

Like, we are talking about him. him and while I don't think this was good it's not like offensively bad it's just kind of silly yeah I'm not giving up on Buckley I'm not where I was earlier this year with him

where I was like this dude turned it around he's losing that good faith and that goodwill but hopefully he's a roller coaster hopefully he can turn this around he's up he's down he's up it's all over the way we're just along for the ride we are thank you Patrick whose win was more impressive

This is probably going to be the big question of the week. Minel Cop just dusting up Brandon Roybal, which is not easy to do, by the way. Or Tatura, Tyra, becoming the first fighter ever to finish Brandon Moreno in a fist fight. So two very good performances. Dana White said, let's bring Josh Van to Japan. You could bring both Tyra and Menel Cop to Japan, and both would be over. Cop, you could probably argue, might be even more over in that. area due to his lengthy time competing there he was a star in Risen before

signing with the UFC he's very very over with that fan base this is probably like if you're oh no did we lose Mike did I lose Mike am I still here oh there we are there we go we're back okay you have some divisions where you're trying to like figure this all out like Walter Wade is like how do we justify putting Oosman in there, but we also have like these guys. Flyweight, it's like you can't go wrong. It's either like Pantosia's ready, you can run this one right back and get it right.

Or Pantosia's going to be out for a little bit and we can throw a tire in there or you can throw a cop in there. Like all of these fights are interesting. Like they're all really good. And obviously, like I said, if Pantosia is ready, when Vann is ready, that you immediately go to him. but you cannot get

like you can't get it wrong here like you just can't this is a good spot for the UFC flyweight match bakers to be in right now but if you were putting that spot Jed and your job was you Pantosha's out until August it's one of these two guys

who are you giving it to? So first I think you're right I don't think there's a wrong way to eat this Reese's which is a really great position to be in um my gut reaction after that fight was give him no copse out of fight um i don't know how long pantosia's out

you know it could be short even if it's short it's still going to be at least two months right that he should that he like before he can compete more than likely um and you know then he needs to have uh eight weeks at least for training camps we're talking about four or five months at the absolute earliest that pantosia could come back and frankly i don't want him to come back as absolute earliest i'd like him to take a little bit of time and make sure that this isn't going to be a recurring issue right that you know knock on wood hope he doesn't need surgery but if you get surgery that's going to add time to the thing let's not rush him back there's no need to rush him back right like the only impetus to do so is to try and fix what happened and you can't

it just happened it is what it is on the you know in conjunction with that van fights all the time we talked about a lot in the buildup to 323 you know he had fought four times last year he's basically fought like three or four times every year of his very short career um and i thought i mean i kind of think minel cop just killed it right like are i i think his performance is more impressed than tyras partly because the tire stoppage i you know is just a lot more controversial than this one and brandon roeval got got you know within three minutes rudely um but also the post fight speech was i there's one of the best bits of work for my money this year like he dropped like four lines that could be repeated forever if they weren't all just

stacked on top of each other because you know he had like a crow cop left leg hospital or right leg hospital left leg cemeteries like i touch you you go coma hospital uh i i do beautiful violence you just have to step into the cage with me um like he was he was on fire called out van with some stuff i also still don't even understand what it meant the whole diaper thing i don't really i didn't get it that's so funny i was just dying but like it was all just a vibe and you know then he puts a button on it at the end with the i'm the most dangerous guy in the division i'm coming from my belt uh josh van you want to fight in houston i'll fight you in houston they love me in houston like i i think he just laid it out like let

Josh Van fight that dude in Houston. That's fine. And then Pantoja can fight the winner when he comes back. That's on tough scenes for Tatsuo Taira. But, you know, Tyra also did just lose not that long ago. I know he just beat Moreno in impressive fashion. And that gets you a lot of currency. But, you know, he lost the World War of all this year or whatever, not this year, I guess.

It was the end of last year. And, you know, I know the MMA math isn't quite the same. but Tyra lost Reval and Cop just put Reval on the ground. So give Cop the shot. Tyra, unfortunately, we'll have to wait for a while because of Pantosia. And he'll be waiting so long that that's when you do. I know we did get a fight announced, or a couple of fights announced, but Keoggi is fighting Amir al-Bazi, you know, whatever event that is.

I don't know, the first Apex. Yeah, Vegas-13. The first event at the apex. or Gucci gets that apex test in the co-main event um so he goes out there and dummies up ameer al-bazi and then you're doing the battle for japan keoggi versus tyra title fight on the line and you do that motherfucker in japan and it's it bangs so i that's how i'd lay this out um pants gets the title fight when he comes back but let's slide cop in there as as quickly as we can get a cop Josh fan fight to go.

Completely agree. I'm going to knock out the cop mic check right now since you brought it up. It was an A-plus. It was so damn good. Everything you said. And then on top of it, it was the now baby listen very well. I wrote out what I could. I'm here.

Your daddy. Your daddy's going to take your diapers alive. On the new deal, the new Paramount deal, I'm going to take your diapers alive. I mean, who thinks of that shit? Unbelievable. What a performance of a-plus cop. A-plus stuff on the microphone from Starboy.

Great stuff. He's been really good, man. He was great after the Bruno Civil one. He was great after the Amabaya finish on the mic as well. Now, he's doing the damn thing. Good to see. Good to see. He needs to stay healthy and stop.

He's his own worst enemy right now, and some of it's just really shitty luck. But hopefully he can stay out. of his own way and get to his title. I mean, I love that part of his callout too where he is like, Josh Van, the only reason you're champion is I broke my foot. You got to fight Royval.

I would have done this to Royval in June, and then I'd have been the guy who beat Pantosha. I don't know. I love that part, yeah. He kind of might have a point. If I didn't get injured, I beat the champion right now. Yeah, he'd get injured.

And you, Josh, man, I mean, credit to you, terrific year. And you took the opportunity on short notice. But you would be ranked to like number 10 and be lobbying for a fight with Keoggi or something instead of the champion because you just jumped the line

with the short notice of all the win. Spencer, appreciate the week after we coverage this year, boys. Always love excuse me, get out of freaking lay here. Always love the Odyssey, silliness, and good vibes. Scheduled 2026 UFC fight you are all most excited for.

I mean, I think the runaway answer for most people will be Holloway Olivera, right? Like, that's Oliver 2 or whatever. I will, I know people don't like this fight, and I think it's valid. I don't really care. I think Gaichi Pimblit rocks. I love that fight.

100% the fight that should have been made anyways. And I'm comfortable setting aside my feelings about the stupid interim belt. I don't care. It can be an interim belt. It can be the show closer, just on the merits of that. fight. I think that fight rules. So I actually, if the choice is I can watch Justin Gagee fight someone, that will always be the answer. There will never be, uh, it doesn't matter what the other fights are. Justin Gagey fight will be the answer. And it might be his last fight ever. So like,

I just watched John Cena retire and I don't care about wrestling, but that was kind of cool because it was the last time ever. If this is the last Justin Gagachy fight ever, I will be there with bells on. Yeah, I think if he loses, it will be. Uh, ace buggy. Uh, but Chetha doesn't get cut with riots. Am I crazy for thinking Van loses any? I assume we're missing it too. Yeah, probably. It's got to yeah. Am I crazy for thinking Van loses to any of his three potential opponents, Tyra Cop, Pantoja? Uh, would you pick, would you pick Van against any of these three fighters here now um my picking against pantosia now i was very conflicted about that fight the first time and we didn't learn anything even like the i don't even want to say this because it was

like 30 seconds in or whatever but like even at the very initial i was like oh this is this is started in a way that i think is good for pantosia um i'd probably pick van now because pantosia is coming off a major injury he was already getting old that was already a concern van's only getting better right like he will be the next time he fights will be much better than the guy who's fighting pantosha and i i thought that if i was going to be some level of competitive at least for stages so you add in some more time off plus a major injury i probably pick ban over pantosia in the rematch um i'll also probably pick him against cop though i you know our colleague uh blaine henry tweeted that vans styles on cop. I do not agree with that assessment of this because I don't know I watched I watched van go

hammer and tongs with Brandon Royval and I just watched no cop put him in the ground so I don't think he styles on him but I do think I favor him over cop but at the same time if Charles Johnson can put your lights out menel cop could hurt you um so if I would be awesome and I mean Tyra is interesting because it's it is a pure can tire get him down i'm going to guess he can so i would pick tire over him but i'll pick him over pants next time which will hurt my soul because i love pants but you know he's pushing 36 and coming off a major injury that's tough place to be at fly weight i would pick pants i'd pick cop tyra i'm not sure because i think i think there is a I think his take down defense is like good enough

that like if he keeps the fight standing he could win so I'd probably pick man in that fight but I'm not sure I think Tyra is the favorite if memory serves it correctly it opened he was like a minus one 40 it was like a very close but yeah I think he was a very slight favorite but that would be the question like can Tyra get him down

or not and if he can't then it's a really good night might for for josh ban i think uh which a lot of flyway future questions here stevie could they squeeze in two non-pants fights do cop versus van in february march and the winner versus tyra in may or june since they fight frequently pants has nine months minimum which we don't know yet we don't know that so last yeah they could if pants is out for nine months they definitely could but we don't know that at all yeah the last update is a like the swelling was so was in such a gnarly place

like they have to wait for the swelling to go down before they can like get the scans and get like accurate results and honestly like after watching that injury if he's only out nine months like that's freaking awesome because I think he I'll be pretty surprised

if he doesn't have some ligament damage it was a pretty serious sublocation and he might have also dislocated his shoulder too I never got clarity on that I know his elbow dislocated because despite them not saying that or saying that wasn't it, I have eyeballs and I saw it.

And it was a pretty gnarly dislocation there. So I'll be surprised if he doesn't have actual ligament damage that would take thing. And people being like, Jaden Daniels said, it was like, yeah, that's true. Also, he immediately got re-injured

when he came back after six weeks. And also, that was to his non-throwing arm. And, you know, it is football, it's a contact sport but people might not actively attempt to dislocate that arm which is a core principle of fist fighting

so it's just not quite an apples to apples thing about coming back from something like that. If you've ever been to the gym and tried to roll with like an injury, it is hard. It is extremely difficult to be like

as basically why I stopped going going to the mats for a long time because my shoulder would pop out every time it got lifted over my head and it's really hard to grapple when this arm can't move past here it's not you can't do it all right let's go to some other questions joseph did bike and jett like the call from kevin balejo's to cub swanson um this is bad jed like i know he's a young man wasn't very good he's my boy i don't care I'll support him forever. I don't think he get Chikaz. I certainly didn't think he get Chikaz is one of the 15 best feather rates on planet

Earth heading into that fight. I don't understand how this band has been ranked as long as he has been. I think if you guys have listened to our programming for the last couple of years, my stance has not really changed. Like, he is a fine fighter. I don't think he was ever really like one of the 15 best featherweights in the world. That was just me. I just think featherweight is a deep-ass,

division it's really really good and there are a lot of guys who were being underrated and i thought he was being overrated um but still to go out there and nuke him the way that kevin did that was very impressive like he has been in calvocator beat the shit out of him for 25 minutes and hit it with everything and that man wouldn't go away and then arnold allen was hitting him with some big shit couldn't put this man away and then kevin lands one spinning back fist and boom just annihilates this guy just collaborates him but I was so excited

I'm like oh my god like who's he going to call is he going to call like John Silva and I know John's book it would be a little bit of doo-doo but who's he going to call out I can't wait for this it's going to be someone ranked

let's go Steve Garcia he's going to call it Steve Garcia I love what he's called Arnold Allen because no one calls out Arnold Allen yeah I want the Arnold Allen Arnold Allen John Silver winner like that's even though all yeah oh is Arnotton fighting John Silva

is that booked Yeah. UFC 324, baby. Dope. I call it out, Jermaine Sterling. Like, there's so many guys you can call out right now. And he called O'Cub Swanson. I just so, this is a bad, Jed.

And I know Cub was in the corner of L. Look, he saw a cub. He saw him, and he got starstruck. That's Cub Swanson. That's a UFC Hall of Famer, Cub Swanson. A guy who's a young man, he got starstruck. He saw big, big stardom in his eyes, and he said Cub Swanson. It was a mistake.

It is bad. I bet I would love to see what the post-fight presser was like. I'm sure he doubled down on this, but this is a D. This is a D. This is a straight-up D. Oh, I'm honestly surprised you gave him a D. No, it's only because he's young, and I'm going to give him a little bit of a pass. I just assumed he was getting an F.

Oh, this should have been an F, but I'm in a good mood. It's the holiday season, and he's a young man. That's very giving of you. Trying to figure this thing out, but this is shit. This is just, this is bad, man. This is really, really bad. I expected more from you, Kevin. But hopefully we learn a lesson.

Hopefully this D will get you back. You know, take some extra study halls, something to that effect. Figure this thing out, man. There are so many names you could have called. You had so much momentum. And then you just, you ran into a wall with that callout. For a guy who's like, I don't want to fight and my wife doesn't want me to fight ever again. I'm only coming back for something like truly special and as much as I like Kevin.

And he could be a special guy. Special. I don't think that's the kind of special that Cubs looking for right now. I mean, he shouldn't be. Nobody should be looking for that. I love Kevin Villiers. He's the man. I loved him.

I loved him two years ago off Contender Series when he lost his Jean-Gon. Silva in like one of the best fights that season and then I love John Silva and John Silva immediately came to the UFC and was like one of the 10 best dudes in the world I was like man I bet that Kevin he is pretty good because he was 20 years old when he fought John Silva and the rest of these good dudes can't do anything to him and he damn near beat him and uh yeah the kids now like 23 and just uh I loved that they comped him to Ilya on the broadcast and Bisping was like I don't even want to say it and then he said it and I was like no

that's the correct comp it is an appropriate comp to him um you know I don't know about his grappling game and Ilya famously hailed from grappling that that's where he started uh but Kevin man Kevin is

he's not big for this weight class size wise only 5-7 but he's so talented and given the turnover happening at featherweight I'll be shocked if he doesn't fight for the belt. Maybe he won't win it. You never know how things like that are going to break down, but like

kids really good. He's only got up to go. Get on the bandwagon now, guys. Yeah. Get on. God, I almost want to like, I just want to punish him for the call-up, but like, I want

to just like selfishly match me for him. I don't know where I'm going with it yet. He's realistically actually going to be number 14 now. because Brian Ortega has been booked up at lightweight or the rumors are

I don't know if we've confirmed that probably happening so well yeah we've got a rumor there so he's really going to be number 14 at featherweight but not until he actually gets in there in fights though

well I'm sure but you know which you know fried Ortega it could happen it might not that's also I don't I've tried to not rank him at featherweight for like two full years

and AK has continuously made me do it. That's not a bit. That's not like, I wasn't even doing it as a bit. I actively was like I'm not going to rank him. And AK messaged me and was like, you have to rank him. He's like, no, I don't. He said he's going to lightweight. We argued about it over

Slack. He's like, no, I was like, I do not have to. He said he's going to lightweight. He's not a featherweight. Jed, you have to. If you don't do it, I'm going to put him in your rankings. I was like, fine. Under test and I did it forever. Oh, man.

I love our rankings. I remember the old days of the rankings where you had A.K. Ann Shaheen coming down on you. Oh, yeah. They yelled to me once a month at least. Like, what kind of insane thing are you doing now, Joe? I was like, oh, no, it's stupid. Casey never got yelled that, but we did. Never got yelled that. It was the best. Forrest, end of an era question. What is your most memorable

moment from the UFC on ESPN? My is Hollywood-A-oing Justin Gatia. that's that's probably the most memorable moment in the history of the UFC full stop so yeah that's the answer yeah we did this a little bit the other day they're like a bunch of other because the espion air was pretty long um I think I had to answer this in and I didn't answer it in column I don't think I think I answered it on the feed somebody asked like what are the best events

and you go back and they're actually like obviously a lot of good ones but 236 is I think the other one that jumps out but that's more of a one it was at Atlanta

I was there and that was the Kelvin Gaslam Izzy Adesania which is the best fight I've ever seen live and I assume will always be the best

fight I've ever seen live and then immediately after that was Holloway Poirier 2 which was the second best fight of that year and so that event which was good in general but having the top two fights of the year go back to back and me being five

feet from it cage side that will always be a highlight from the espionaire as well yeah i mean there a lot like yeah going through the videos we're uh for uh for big man urie glover loved that fight spectacular obviously you know leon who's been the addict's call on that was unbelievable um honestly Moreno winning the flyway title was one of things like for the first time like that moment the crowd Mike did you did your mic turn off Mike

did turn off you sound much more quiet now what about now you sound the same I sound the same yeah you're just quiet you're just a little quieter than you were previously okay and the chat is also

noticing it so I'm not crazy good as long as I'm not crazy how about now Give me more Are we any more Are we getting better Oh that sounds more Okay

I don't know what's happening I mean it sounds like you're Wherever you are now You sound better Because you're closer to the mic Now I'm turning everything around Okay Hopefully we got something now

Are we better? You sound a little better now Okay hello hello Hello Okay It's good enough I don't know if it's coming like through here, which is a problem.

I think, I don't know that it's coming through your mic either. Okay. So, uh, jad, I'm going to pull up a question. I'm going to fix this. Okay. You pull up a question and you sort your mic out and I'll answer said question.

John Shin 884, who officially won the MMA fighting fantasy. This is the question you chose. When can we expect another draft? Uh, so I haven't done the point totals, but Mike officially. won it at the end of 323.

I think there will be a couple of points that might be added after today, but I have to go look. Mike has 1,700, though, as of 323, which is good enough for the lead. I had Sharié fight, and he did not do a damn thing.

And I think somebody else had somebody fighting today, but, oh, Casey had been out cop, but he was behind my miles, so that won't matter either. So Mike heck will officially be our season I guess technically this is season three but uh 2025 season two champion and we will do a draft in January um we've got obviously got six weeks until the next uc event we are doing a watch party

and coverage for the jake paul nonsense that's happening next week which interestingly enough does not seem to have broken through broadly none of i pulled my friends today none of them knew this was happening uh but we're going to cover that next week um but then we We've got six weeks for the next UFC, so we've got some time. Obviously, in the coming weeks, maybe even as soon as two next week, week after, we'll do our year-in stuff, I'll do the violence team, a couple of other things like that are going to be worked out for the end of the year. And then in January, we'll still, once the year turns over,

we still have three weeks for UFC. So that is when we will do our next fantasy draft and figure out the schedule how many events it's going to be. So congratulations to Mike. Terrific victory. If I didn't have nine losses, I would have had a chance to defeat him. Alas!

Also, I think I haven't looked today, but I'm pretty sure Mike locked up our year-long picks competition that we do at MMA fighting. So double congratulations, Mike Heck. I don't know if you're there or not to receive these congratulations, but double congratulations.

Ooh, I did well today. I went 12 and 2. And one of those was the draw. So I actually did quite well in this one. How did we do? Mike, are you still here? I don't know where Mike is, so I can't pull up quotes or questions to the thing, but I'll keep going and I'll just look at questions that I see on the thing,

and then I'll repeat them. Somebody asked me a question. Who wins for every day? I don't care about that. I don't dabble in chocolate mushrooms. ESPN highlight has to be Stephen A joining the broadcast. Honestly, it's pretty tough. Michael Pericio, I'm so confused about Paul.

He's getting a huge check to get pieced up. I guess, man. I don't, he's getting a huge check. I don't understand this fight. I've speculated various ways. I think it's going to go poorly for him. And if it doesn't, that'll be super weird. but he's definitely getting a big check

and I don't know that it's drawing the interest I mean the other ones have I just anecdotally the people in my life aren't caring about this so I don't know if your non-combat friends have been watched like are excited for this but I haven't even really seen it on Netflix either so I feel like they could have done something better

hello Michael okay I don't think I got the mic thing fix at all No, but it's fine. We're not going to go much longer, and your audio is not that bad. No, we're not. Okay. Oh, David Sandin. No one cares, but yes, Jamie Lennhorth, my one regret is that I didn't bet on Jamie Lerth,

and I strongly intended to bet on her, but then I just didn't get my bets in this week because his card lost interest for me. And I was like, I'm going to bet on her because Bleda had been out for 36 months. Not quite 30. It's like 30-some-odd months. months. It's like that she shouldn't be a betting favorite when she hasn't fought in almost three years and it looked like that. Good for Jamie and Horth, too. Good quality win. Do we get bonuses or no? I haven't seen them, been looking. This is super, yeah, it's super weird. Nothing. Oh, here we got bonuses. Oh, what do we got? Performance of the night. Manel Cop. Performance of the night. Kevin Valleos, fight of the night. Asplen Sharoff.

oh okay so honestly amosoff doesn't get a bonus is tough I mean the Aspen sure off fight was just really fun so I'm totally okay with that being five of the night um

you know pretty tough that milky Mokies Ocosta doesn't get a yeah what is that all about Ferreos spinning back fist Keo that'll probably get it Mano sure um

I even though I really like the Aspen Sharaff fight and I think that that is kind of worthy. It does feel like maybe you should have been like, Cop, Villasel, and Amosov, and we just do four performances, but

hopefully the UFC gives them a little extra scratch behind the table or something. Yeah, Milky not getting one for that head kick was pretty tough too. All right, a couple more we'll get on out of here. Mike, I have to ask you a question. as we booed and you can find

but this is my first that I can remember intentionally watching pro wrestling retirement I don't care enough but I was like it was all over and again the exact opposite of the Jake Paul stuff

like I haven't seen any real promotion for that outside of combat sports circles the John Cena thing was literally I could not avoid it and so I was like I have peacock I'll throw it on my second TV while I'm watching the fights.

And, you know, like, it's still, it was fine. But it was, like, a really interesting thing. Was that a good retirement? Was that a bad retirement? I don't really know the rules. I don't know. People are really pissed off about it. Why?

Like, not letting Cina go over and having him tap and all that shit. Like, look, I knew. I know very little about pro wrestling. I'm learning, getting better. when he was like when in the whole buildup they were like he's and and Gunter says he's gonna tap him and John

Cena has never been tapped when he was like I'm pretty sure John Cena's taffin tonight that feels like a thing you only say if he's gonna tap tonight I think people are like super pissed about it for some reason I loved it

it's not I'm gonna say I loved it but I really I was fine with it because like John the way he like smirked before he did it dude he was actively smiling as he's supposedly in a chokehold and before tapping out for the first time ever or whatever I was just like okay like you know and that's awesome I do think like I knew I know enough about pro wrestling

to know that like the adage is you go out on your back you're supposed to put the next guy over and I totally get it and like that's what should happen it did feel weird that this was like such a built up thing for him to lose though like because it was like the whole thing the whole show was him and the interspersed vignettes and all the backstage stuff which all was like pretty cool and touching um and you know but then to just be like it does feel like you could just be like hey man if he's the greatest of all time maybe we let him go

no and you swerve him because like I was fully anticipating him to lose so that if he wins it's a swerve and everybody's happy and you give everybody that good emotion whereas all you've done is uphold the tradition that Gundar doesn't

gain anything from this right like how he gained it by being there in the first place not by not by getting over like nobody doesn't feel doesn't feel like people are mad at him Feels like people were mad at Triple H who they booed.

Yeah, people are going to be mad at him, too. I mean, they were, if you watched the match, you couldn't really hear it because they were trying to, to hit the button. But it was like, F.U. Gunther, the entire match. Like, literally. Like, F.U. Gunther, the whole. I know. It was when they kept cutting it. I was like, yeah.

But, like, that's it. He got over in the match. Oh, yeah. And so to me, it feels like. That's going to carry over. That is going to carry over. But, like, it wouldn't matter if you want or not. I don't.

I just, I feel it seems unlikely to me that because everyone knew how it was supposed to go out, that he's getting extra heat over because he finished it. Whereas just like, honestly, you could throw the tradition out the window and swerve people, and it would be like a bigger, better, the storyteller in me thinks that this was a bad way to do it. Yeah, I mean, but I'm not a pro wrestler. Once they started this tournament, we all knew like. You guys told me he was fighting. in gunther like two months ago yeah there's going to come back win the tournament and then they're

going to give it to him because good there is the best on the roster like he's the best on the roster he's he's that guy he came back from injury there's that there was that gigantic human being who looked like imbaku from um the black panther movies that guy's that guy's a giant person he'll be a big star but i i i didn't mind it um this is not this is not like triple h booking this is John Cena saying, this is what I want to happen, and you're going to, like, do this. And they're like, okay, John, like, this is what he wants to do. And that's why, like, the whole event was set up the way that it was. It was like, I don't want this to be about me.

I want it to be about everybody else. I want, like, these NXT developmental wrestlers to get in there with all the big names, like Obafemi, who's from the developmental brand, soul Roka, from the developmental brand, and uh the jvonne evans and i forget who the other guy was uh they were from the developmental brand so like it was getting them in front of a big crowd and like giving them the moment so uh that's what it was but the thing i'll tell you what my biggest takeaway from the whole thing was was having the ufc on one screen and wb on the other i was like man the tko shit is just it's the same thing like i'm literally watching the same show outside of like wb is obviously they do a little

more of the entrances and the lighting and things that nature and you know it's really the sports entertainment thing but like a lot of the nuances way better broadcasts are exactly the same like it's so crazy and shout to michael cole i will say he had the best line of the night uh when the match was over it said professional wrestling which they never say in wb television anymore he goes professional wrestling just beat sports entertainment i was like that is a great line that was really good like is that because johnsina lost yes okay yeah john seen is the sports entertainer there's like more of the old school like pro wrestler and it's and it's the old school thing for the guy who's leaving to lose sure i just watching it the whole time i knew it was happening

it was still like you know wrestling doesn't do it for me but it was kind of of compelling uh but i did just like i don't know it feels like this this was a poorly told story not a poorly told story but a story that could have been something else but the thing that got me to watch outside of it being ever present was like john cina did a bunch of interviews like he was on mackafee and stuff that i saw it was everywhere so jo rogan yeah and it was just like every time he talked i was like man like you he sold it in a way i've never had something sold to me before where he was just like I just want to be super clear

I'm not doing this ever again and so if you think I'm going to come back because all wrestlers do you should tune in tomorrow because this will be it and I was like well shit I don't want to miss the last time I guess I should tune in

I have Peacock and so I did and you know it was a perfectly fine thing to have on my second television while I was watching fights that were also frankly the overlap of time periods there weren't the best fights going on when the John Cena stuff was happening

yeah I mean even my kid who's not like a big wrestling guy like he'll watch like he'll watch WrestleMania with me he knows a John Senior he knows the song so he was like hey daddy tell me when John Cena like comes out in front of the crowd I was like all right

and I grab him like all right this is it that song is undeniably catchy yeah and he loves Joe Hendry by the way the Joe Henry thing. Oh, that was the literal little person. I've seen him on TikTok a lot. And so, like, I know the gimmick. And I was like, I don't know if this guy can wrestle.

I don't care. He's got a great smile. And this is hilarious. I'm just showing up and be like, it's just like, I don't, it's deeply funny to me. And I don't know why. You just say his name. And that's what happens. You just out of nowhere.

It's like, there he is, it's a smile. He's the anti- Beetlejuice and it rules. I didn't that is literally the only time of I think because I watched WrestleMania and didn't he he was at WrestleMania right yeah he wrestled Randy wrestled somebody I don't know like that's that's like the first time and his song is like weirdly catchy because it doesn't seem like it should be catchy but it kind of just is a little earwormy um and so like I you know I don't even shit about this dude but he's on my TikTok a lot randomly um and it's just because I think the gimmick's funny

And when it happened, I was like, oh, it's still funny. Yeah. That was a great. I thought it was a really good show. I was definitely better than the last Saturday Night's made a man. That was a piece of shit. That was real bad. I won't watch again until somebody else famous retires.

Yeah. Or something important happens. Hey, we got Royal Rumble coming up. Look, I've stand on, I think the Royal Rumble with rocks because it's, you don't have to know a single thing about wrestling. And I do not to be like, yeah. dudes run out and you throw them over the rope and uh the jamaican guy cofi is going to do something cool he's going to walk on his hands or something and like it's you don't have to know there's no previous storylines that you need to keep up with i don't need to know any of the wrestlers like

i'll just the last one i was just in the slack being like i don't know who this guy is but he should win he's good or like there are four good women's wrestlers in this thing that i can see and you guys are like you don't know what you're talking i'm like i'm just telling you yeah i love the roll rumble that's like a i if mma could find a way to do and they did uh dark fight wild tried to do a roll rumble and it was terrible but it was also kind of funny yes uh it was great to watch the show today because it's on peacock and i'd have to buy the premium uspn thing um which unfortunately we're going to have to do and peacock had a great stream you know what i was really happy uh that i got to end my ESPN

experience the way it should have been where every between every round i would have to go click the live button because somehow my stream would have buffered out 12 seconds and i'd be behind i was just like this is terrific what a great streaming platform you have ESPN yes i kept it i tried to cancel it they gave it to me for 299 a month for the next three months i have yet to cancel because i was waiting for this i will i'm currently bundled with Disney and Hulu, which I don't use that much but my family does. So I'll probably

shift some things around. And you know, it still has the thing is like it also, it's losing F1. So, which is like the thing I watch the most on ESPN other than fights is probably F1. And that's going to Apple next year. So it's like

I don't really don't need it anymore. I'm pretty excited about maybe getting rid of it. I do like their master's coverage. when that comes around oh yeah that's true but the master's website does a great master's coverage too that's very true um they got they get they they do put on like a bruins game every like once a week now so i will so that that to me is worth it yeah um college football's the other one that would be worth it i will dump that very very quickly uh i'm gonna give it the last

three months and when march first rolls around we're going away i'm just saying if they had kept the USC deal, I would have been functionally forced into buying ESPN Super app, whatever their service is. And if I keep ESPN, it ain't that one. I am not getting the extra. Lazybed says if you enjoy the UFC Fight Library,

maybe you don't cancel ESPN Plus just saying. Yeah. It looks like fight passing, like dying. Yeah. It looks like some promotions will be kind of going their separate ways. I just don't really. Also, the ESPN, uh,

Plus library sucks anyway. It's hard to navigate and fights leave that fairly, really quickly within a couple of years. It's certainly not good for anything deeper. Yeah, the whole fight pass saga is odd. I hope it gets resolved in a better way than it. Fight past is a really good tool that I like, and I would not like that to go away.

Is that our music? I hear the pins. I believe in the exiting program. That's what I believe in. I believe in exiting the program. I believe in Joe Henry. I believe in you, Jed. I believe in all of us that I'm fighting.

I believe in all of you. And I believe, I believe in the UFC. And I believe in you, Kevin Malayhost, that the next time you win, you will make a better call out. I believe in a thing called love. This is just with them at the home. I believe anything called love

And Bye guys Some might believe in love after love You never know That's what she said one time And it was a number one hit for her But Hey listen everybody

If if If your MMA fandom To some extent Ends with the UFC Understandable But Jed and I will be back Touching you We have our award show preview

Ward shows coming up A.K. and I will be back on to the next one. We got stuff coming your way. Jed will sing, too. How do you think I love? Just listen to the rhythm of your heart. Bye, guys. Love y'all.

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