MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 115 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Renato Moicano Destroying Chris Duncan In Main Event

Episode Date: April 5, 2026

Renato Moicano not only dominated and finished Chris Duncan in the main event of UFC Vegas 115, he made it look incredibly easy while doing it. Now that "Money" snapped a two-fight skid, where does Moicano go from here —and could Paddy Pimblett be next? Following Saturday's UFC Fight Night event, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew react to the card, Moicano's second round submission victory, his wild post-fight interview, and eventual callout of Brian Ortega for his next fight. Additionally, topics include Virna Jandiroba's dominant win over Tabatha Ricci in the co-main event, Ethyn Ewing's phenomenal showing against Rafael Estevam, Tommy MacMillen's UFC debut win in a glorified squash match and the ceiling of the Sean O'Malley protege, the wild refereeing in the Dione Barbosa vs. Melissa Gatto fight, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Those are the victory horns, and they sound for the man who likes money. He doesn't just like money. He loves money. Hanato Moikano goes out there and just styles on his teammate Chris Duncan, made it look easy, did not struggle even for a second, drops Chris Duncan, gets back control, forces Duncan into throwing a desperation elbow, which I believe his team told him to do. And as soon as he did that, the fight was literally over three seconds later. Moikano walks in the RNC and that was her app.

And then Moikano got the mic, said a bunch of stuff, and people went home happy. But thank you for joining us. I am Mike Eck and joining me to react to another event at the world's most famous meta-Apex, the one and only. Jed Bishu from MMAFighting.com. Jed, how we do and how we feel it? Good. We've been doing this.

I was doing boxing a little before. and that card was mostly a tough hang. Shout out to Brian, who did even more boxing when I did. Freaking legend. We had some fun. This was pretty decent. I think we had a good time. The core problem with the whole card is that even if we were going to have fun time, we had some squash matches.

This is an event we're going to talk about. I think, Mike, the biggest thing we're going to talk about is something that you and I alluded two earlier this week because we had heard rumblings, couldn't get it confirmed. It got broken during the, during the event by our own gear made crews. And then shortly later was on the broadcast. I honestly think the biggest thing to talk about from this whole thing is that next week's co-made event of Joshua Van versus Tutsu Retire is off. It has been moved.

Because otherwise, like, we had some fun. Some things were made. terrific performance from Manato Morcano I want some money I don't know that he loves money anymore based on that post fight speech I know that he needs money because that's what he always says but

he hates the fans now he loves YouTube and he of course loves Jesus and it's great timing tomorrow and by tomorrow I mean maybe where you are right now if you're in in Brazil

you're enjoying Easter Sunday already So a lot happened. Not a ton of significant stuff happened, but we had some fun. I had some people reach out right before the main event. My older brother is one of them. And he was like, who do you like in the main event? And I was like, my pick is Moikano, but I'm not going to begin to tell you that I have any idea of what's going to happen here. It's like two dudes who know each other and their teammates.

They were sharing the sauna together six days ago at American Top Team. I have no idea what kind of fight we're going to get. but if you're going to give me Moikano a dog money, I'm going to take him. And I'm looking at this almost the same way I'm looking at the Israel out of Sunni Joe Piper fight. If Moikano was washed, like he'll lose. If he's not washed, he should win this easily. And he goes out and wins it easily.

So my brother was like, oh, thank you. You're the man for telling me that. And then he got to experience a Hanata Moikano post-fight speech for the first time. And he goes, oh my God. He goes, I'm going to drop that little speech at Easter dinner tomorrow. I was like, all right, well, I don't know if I would do that. But yeah, I'm glad you got to be introduced to the world of Hinata Moikano. And I mean, I don't even know how to like break this main event down because it'd be literally like this is going to go one of two ways.

Either Moikano was just like done done and there was just really nothing left for him to do or he was going to win this fight the way that he did it. There's really no in between here. And Hanato goes out in, and wins. And then he calls out for the somebody easy, but in the rankings. Otherwise, he's going to retire. I thought that was great. I know Michael Bisbing hated it. I thought it was fantastic.

What, like, who's he supposed to call out, Jed? Tell me they got, you got to stop letting Bisping do the interviews. He was like, okay at them for a very brief minute. And now he just like, he, he, he wants the script. And if you don't do the script, he will try and make you do the script he wants a second time and then just be frustrated and shitty about it um the that was the best part of moikano's thing uh his post fight speech was uh give me somebody easy at the top 10 which i i just have always loved when they do that you know

like when daniel corme he was like i want to fight ryan bader because it's easy you know like i i have always i appreciate the i'm not a huge shan o'malley guy but i always appreciated when he was like, I don't want to fight hard guys. I'd like to fight easy people. That would be better for me. Because it's honest and it's kind of funny. So that was the funniest part. There's also, I think, unintentionally funny because in the process of saying that,

he was like, I'm going to retire because I don't want to fight any more of these BS guys. Like, bro, you just fought your teammate. Like literally, you just fought your teammate. Come on, man. I know that that's not really what you're trying to say, but it's, kind of what you're saying right now. So it was a classic Moikano, not classic. I mean, he had

some new stuff. He had new material and that's good. You should always stay fresh. Moikano's never been to my taste in that way, but he's a terrific fighter man. And my big question in the fight was simply, is he washed? Right? Like, where's his durability

at? It was honestly the same as last weekend. It was like, he's obviously a much better fighter. Like, Israel, Diccena is obviously a much better fighter than Joe Pfeiffer, but can he still stand up to the rigors of professional fist fighting? And that was the question from O'Connor. He's on a big losing streak. Great names, but like, you know, he's getting a little older, maybe not. And he didn't really get put to the fire that much from, from Duncan in there.

But he was equal to anything Duncan had to offer. He may, he is, he's a really good fighter who's never going to be. like a great fighter. You know, he fought for a belt and that's awesome. But like you just watch him fight and he's not winning because he's super athletic. Like Joe Piper wins because he's big and strong and like can kind of do some stuff, but he's athletic. Like that's why Joe Piper wins.

Hanato Morkano wins because he can do a lot of things. He's very skilled and he's a professional fighter. He knows how to deploy his weapons in the right way. Like, okay, Chris Duncan came out and immediately started chewing up like going for those low calf kicks. And he ate a couple of them. And then the next time he did it, Moikano fired a right hand counter,

like just clearly timed as, oh, here's his trigger for the calf kick, the naked calf kick, right hand in your face. Next time, check. Next time check. Suddenly, Chris Duncan doesn't want to throw that calf kick anymore because he's getting punished for it every time. Oh, the takedowns aren't working.

Okay, that's fine. I can continue to kind of ply my trade everywhere else. And it was just a professional fist fighting performance from a dude who is very, very good at this. And I enjoyed watching it. Yeah. I mean, Moikano literally knew what Chris Duncan was going to do after like the second calf kick. Every single move he made, Moikano was ready for it.

Even the one moment when when I think it was early in round two, when Duncan decided like get into a heated exchange with Moikano right in the center, we kind of got the better of it. He knew it was coming, busted his face up, and then dropped him like 30 seconds later. Like, boy, kind of just knew,

he was 10 steps ahead of Chris Duncan the entire time. So goes out there, gets a nice win, and kudos to him. Like, I don't even know how I'm going to matchmake him on onto the next one. I truly have no idea.

I don't know what this win be. I think there's an obvious choice. Addie. Moikano got to it. So I think that is a great choice that they could get to. But my first thought, And maybe this is, um, really speaks more to the things that I'm interested in.

But apparently he has said this in his in the post fight show per our slack was, uh, Brian Ortega is coming up to lightweight. And that feels like exactly the sort of fight you book. I think Moikano will roast Brian Ortega, um, but Ortega is very durable. So it would be interesting to watch. And I think you could do Patty. and there'd be nothing wrong with Patty. They built that for a while and then went away from it, Patty coming off the loss.

There's a lot of that that makes sense. And I think Moecona would probably take that if offered. That's a big fight, right? He can look at that and be like, oh, that's a bad, that is not a BS guy. That's a bad guy in the rankings, which is what I just asked for. But I think Ortega would be a good one as well. Yeah, that's actually a really good call. And I really like that one.

It's great call. sense and there you go good win for henna to moikano uh verna janjoroba gets the job done and then calls for the rematch with mackenzie durn and that wasn't a very good call up not good i mean what else can you really call for honestly um not the fight you just lost but no one cares that you like you're oh a good win like a a i thought you went all three rounds but that was pretty pretty dominant yeah i thought she was going to lose the third until the very end and then She obviously took it with the kind of closing that round. But yeah, I mean, it's good.

It's a good win. But like, you just lost to this woman. You're not fighting. You're not fighting her again. Like, at least win one more. And so you, you might not like to take your medicine, but sometimes you got to.

So just call out like, you know what would have been a good one? Jang Wei Lee. Like, that would have been better. Like, oh, jank's coming back. I want to fight the real champ, not the fake champ. Oh, there you go. That would have been better.

Love that. That's really. good actually. I mean, it would be worse because she would get hurt, like physically hurt, but it would be better. I'll say what, if Lupy or Tatiana win next week, take note, you should say

exactly that. I want to fight the real champion, not the phony champion. And I know Tatiana, well, maybe Tatiana should do that, but Lupi could do it. Lupi could certainly do it because she didn't get battered for 25 minutes by Zhang. You got to do it because, I mean, one,

it sets up two fights in one. You are both calling the current belt holder a fake champ and you're calling out a different person. Like that's just good, that's good shit talk, you know. It's good shit talk, good business all around. You've set up the rest of the year right there. Well done. Yak Yaif did what he was supposed to do as a minus 1,800 favorite. Picture perfect matchmaking.

Say what you will about the UFC matchmakers and we'll get to furthering my point in a moment. they did it with Tommy McMillan when the UFC wants to put you over and they want to make the move with you they are at their very best when it comes to matchmaking they know what to do even for the Tommy McMillan thing

who's let's be honest he's not very good yeah he's he is greener than he is greener than greener than green he needs a lot of work he's fun like he's a little chaotic all of his fights sort of look like that So it's not really a bad thing, but they picked the perfect guy who couldn't get him out of there, but gets got real good.

Like they just did this perfectly. They did it with Yakia if as well. And I mean, Tommy gets the win. He's probably going to get a bonus. I know we don't have bonuses yet, but he's probably going to get a bonus more than if it's between Tommy McMillan and Ethan Ewing getting a bonus. I know who I'm giving it to, but you bet you're Bippy. The UFC is giving that bonus to Tommy McMillan before they give it to Ethan Ewing. even though Ethan Ewing, Jen Mishu, and I don't know if you agree with this or not,

Ethan Ewing was the MVP of this event. He was unbelievable. He was the best fighter on this card tonight, in my opinion. I mean, Moikano is the MVP of the event. You think so. Okay. Moikano had a sensational performance in a very memorable post fight. Like, that's, yeah.

I think Ewing is best of the rest, probably. Like, I'm just trying to look. I don't know. We'll get to it, but at least Pereira delivering. a sick knockout in the fight that we thought was going to be the worst fight of all time that's pretty good but like Ethan Ewing is the dude from this that I'm

the most interested to watch fight again 100% maybe Jose Delano who's like a little interesting but Ethan Ewing like has has really and again frankly this card over exceeded my expectations in a lot of ways right like we've got a lot of not a lot

we got some fun stuff on the undercard some upsets in interesting ways but like Ethan Ewing is the one dude. You looked at this fight. This is probably the best fight on the card outside of the main event and the co-main event technically. And it delivered.

That fight was super fun. Rafael Estevam is very tough. And Ethan Ewing is like just good. He just seems like he's actually straight up good. He's good and he cannot be hurt. He took, I mean, he took Malcolm Wellemakers best shots and just like,

I was like, okay, that's it. And that's a problem. When you have a guy like that who knows he can't be hurt by anybody. That's a problem. And he's very skilled too. There's going to be very interesting. Like,

because the Wellmaker fight's weird because it is a short notice fight. And I think people just never give enough credit for how difficult that can be for both sides of it. Like you're just changing a whole new opponent. And so like, yes, Wellmaker was training to fight on that day against somebody different, but it's a big shift for him. And so like you don't really know maybe Ewing comes and he just doesn't look as good. It's like, no, he looked awful.

So I would still give MVP to like Conno he was you know the the best if we're talking about this card for this card reasons He's probably the only guy but Ethan Ewing would be next he's you know best of the rest and there's no shame in that. Yeah, it's a good way to put like if if if if I'm looking at any of these guys I'm like I can't wait to see this fighter fight again. It's Ethan Ewing number one Cannot wait very excited. I have a good idea for on to the next one but I mean look Like literally like when I looked at all the options for Ethan Ewing, I'm like, man, there's like 12 that I just want to see all of them. He's good. He's very good. And I don't want to waste time.

Like just do what you do what I wanted to do with Wellmaker. Look who's ass against Larry and Douglas. We could do that. We could do that. I don't mind that. I have a different one. I kind of like the gimmick of, uh, just fight all the undefeated dudes. And then also fine.

Get the push. So yeah. Really liked what I saw from Ewing. done underestimating him dude's real solid uh time mcmillan needs a lot of work but the ufc is just gonna book him beautifully and they can happen it's like they're gonna make him happen it's fine but like he's just i i felt this way coming off contingency is like he's just not good and he's just not good like he's not you know he's 10 and oh you don't get to that by mistake but like he's 30 years old you know

actually he's not just like 28 he's 28 he's 28 um he's like when you watch shana mallee come off contingent shoes and fight it was very clear to be like okay he needs to develop

he has a lot of what you can see the bones of it when I see he's in Ewing fight I'm like you can be Nate Landre and that's cool we love a Nate Landware shout out to Nate Landwe're in Cub Swanson getting that main car treatment next week

we're gonna have some fun but like they're not going to treat him like a Nate Landwehr. And I, this booking really drove home the like, hey, the UFC is going to just book minus 1,500 favorites consistently now. And that's not exactly what I'm in for, but I guess that's the world we're in. I mean, just kind of look at the records of the guys he's beaten. 3 and 0, 0, 14 and 35, 2 and 0, 8 and 5, 6 and 4.

seven and four 21 and 19 McGoyan's the best win on his resume literally the best one in his resume was a contingency series win in a fight date he did win and won very guttily too I want to give him real credit for that because I he was losing that fight hard and he you know just kind of

got crazy in there and that's that's great but like this is a manicured resume and that's okay when you're developing talent but to get a manicured resume when you get to the big leagues or when we're supposed to do a test and they gave Madidu's a minus 1,500 favor on

and they're probably going to do that again. And most importantly, the UFC is going to break fantasy because I'm going to have to change the rules or else everyone is going, like no one's going to pick up champions and like good fighters. We're all going to be bidding on Tommy McMillan

and Abdulak Makhiev and dudes who we know are going to get it. to be minus 2,000 betting favorites. And we can't do that. Yeah, I was looking at like some media matchmaking for Tom McMillan. Someone suggested Michael Aswell. And I was like, what? What are you talking about?

Like, that is just, do you want to see the man get hurt? Like, that's, that's just not going to go very well. I mean, Michael Aswell was in there giving Luke Riley problems. What do you think he's going to do to Tom McMillan? Like, Luke Riley beat him, but he hung in. there and and I think if he fought like Michael Aswell style he could have beat Luke Riley at the UFC London but yeah you can't do that you got to give Tommy like the lowest dude the lowest ranked dude trying to think who you can give I'm going to pull this up I'm going to do some uh

I'm giving him John Janus that's who I'm giving him that's he's the dude that awesome bashi just obliterated like less than a year ago hasn't fought sins oh they're going to give him Julian Rosa. Oh, no, no, no, no. You can't do that. I mean, they probably shouldn't, but. Ooh, that's a bad idea. I don't know.

Julian Rosa can get knocked out. But he can be. He can be. Oh, what's Damon Jackson doing these days? Is he still in the promotion? Hasn't he lost like eight in a row? That feels like a fight they do. He like retired, then he like unretired.

Oh, man. This is right up the alley then. I think he'd give him another win. Then we start talking the vets. It's too soon. if he loses once like I would like him to do Curtis Campbell

that would be fun just put these two dude to you know people are into just do that I don't mind the Campbell one that's not a bad one that would just be fun

because that's the sort of thing I just just book him to have fun fights we don't need to book him in squash matches book him to have fun fights that's what he is it's who he is

it's fine yeah get him another win spilled some confidence and then we test him a little more I'm okay with that sometimes you just just got to change that green color right in the midst of it.

But get him another appearance in there. I thought he would fight a lot sooner coming off contender series. I'm surprised they waited this long. He did take a wee bit to get going. Yeah. I thought we'd see him at 324, honestly. Like when Sean was booked against Song Yudong, I was like, yep, Macmillan's going to be on the undercutter of this one.

Because they're going to make that, they're going to put those two dudes on the same card for sure, sometime in 20206 so but look Tommy got the got the matchmaking went in there delivered he's probably going to get a bonus and good on him uh you mentioned Jose delano great performance from him that was a really fun fight with uh Ruchala Peterson

geermy pat god boy we have bonuses oh we have bonuses and what are the bonuses uh good luck guessing them you'll get one of them I actually think they did it right I'm like, pretty impressed. Is there a fight of the night? There is a fight of the night.

There is a fight of the night. Okay. I actually think they got this right, but I just did not see this coming. Delano, Roshalla, a fight of the night. Nope. No?

They gave it to McMillan zucchini. And that was really chaotic and fun for three minutes or whatever. Sure. I'm fine with that. That's not as good as the other fights, like in total, but that was easily the most, like, chaotic and fun. I get that. I'm fine with that.

Boy, I mean, Alice Pereira for sure. 100%. They should give it to Ethan Ewing, but they won't. Yeah, they,

I wouldn't be upset if they gave it to Ethan Ewing. They didn't. They gave it to the other body shot, K.O. Didn't give it to Moikano either? No, they gave it to Alcena Costa. Oh,

which I think is like pretty cool because I was a good KO and a fun little scrap. Yeah. uh maybe tracian gore actually should have got yeah the problem is he cheated egregiously immediately before he won um but i mean it's dope for him i mean dari's flowers with that there's flowers there's flowers there's a gas slam yeah like there's a bunch of cool stuff happening this car man yeah i mean flowers is like his speech alone should have just got him the bonus he didn't ask for

the well he didn't hear at all doing boxing yeah he did ask for buddy did he's like you don't have to give me the bonus but give me something please i've stepped it on three days notice five days notice up in elevation i've been here for four years that was my first win in the ufc like it's a great promo i thought you did a great job so yeah perr you knew alice perr was definitely getting a bonus that was nasty and she was well on her way to losing that round we're about to have a one one fight heading into round three with haley cow and who went in there and fought valiantly we i can say that she she went in there took some big shots early and was winning round two. And then she made a huge mistake and decided to let Pereira back up after controlling her for almost four minutes on the ground and having lots of success.

And yeah, that was a bad mistake. She was unconscious like 15 seconds later. Boy, we have to do heavyweight fights on these cards, don't we? Peterson, Garmy Pat was real bad. We don't have to, but they're going to do them. That was real bad. That was the get your popcorn fight. For sure.

But Alessandra Costa, great win. Darius Flowers is a great win. Pereira, we mentioned Gore. We mentioned Kai Kamaka. Congratulations to him. Comes back and gets a win. Saw none of that fight. I have no idea what happened in it.

It was fun. It was fun. I thought Kamaka won rounds two and three. A lot of people thought Hope won. It was good close fight. Good scrap. Good stuff. Good way to kick it off.

But did you see the Diani Barbosa, Melissa Gato fight and the soccer kick heard around the world. I did. I saw it a little bit when it was happening because it was obvious such a big thing and then I had to write up on it afterwards and so I just went back and pulled and watched.

I'm of two minds. The first and strongest mind is that Chris Dione is a criminal. And every person surrounding Gatto should be tried in the Hague like if you are Melissa Godot tomorrow you should sit down with your team

and be like you need to give me a very good reason why I still associate with you professionally because not a single person there had her best interest at heart by sending her back out there it is like genuinely a stunningly bad choice

from everyone on her team not to be like no she can't fight look at her Can't fight. We're done. It's done. Can't fight. Tione make the call.

Is that a DQ or are we getting a silly ass no contest here? Tione is terrible. And also like, I want to be super extra duper possibly clear here. This isn't a. Chris Tione is bad in the ways that I think the rule should be because I do that. That is a, like, I am absolutely like, here's how things should be and I think it's very stupid. in the way the rules work. Points are deducted functionally based on the effect that the offending foul had on the opponent.

It is not and has never been, oh, you, that was an intentional foul, so we'll deduct more points. No, if you intentionally foul, you get decued because you intentionally fouled somebody. You are actively cheating, not passively cheating. I don't know how you look at that in real time and say, okay, that's only worth one point. That's a very obviously stupid thing for him to do. So a horrible work from all people involved. But the second mind, Mike,

and this is where I'd love your opinion. Do we think that Melissa Gatto was laying it on thick at any point in time? Watching live, it kind of appeared that way. But it was. still pretty gnarly kick. It was a very, very bad kick right to the throat slash chin.

My default setting is that fighters aren't faking things. I will just acknowledge it was at least slightly suspect the manner in which she fell to the ground which felt a wee bit theatrical. Like who was that dude last year who got

up kicked in the like, you got like pushed in the face and then died? Was it a Adolfo Balato. That's the name that's coming to my head for some reason. I think it is. And we're the same thing. I was like, it feels like maybe we made a bit more of a meal out of this than necessary.

But I'm not saying she did it. I'm just noting that it did look suspect. That being said, my default position is always fighters aren't faking. They're fighters. And so assuming that she's not faking. And you, you don't think she's faking either.

If you're Chris Dione, you don't think she's faking because if you think she's faking, you don't take a point. So you think this is real, but it wasn't that bad. It was wildly mishandled. Also, I'm pretty sure per the rules that that exceeded the five-minute allotment you're allowed. And thus just should not have been like legally eligible to restart the fight. So everybody just botched it the whole way around. And it was a carnival side show.

Yep. Pretty ridiculous. but this shit's never going to change. So there you have it. Like the five minute thing is just like, it's how you know we don't live in a real sport because like that's just a nobody can argue with that. We can argue whether Barbosa landed to the head

or if you were Charles Johnson on a very strange soapbox about how she wasn't a grounded fighter because her knee wasn't down. Because if you use a pruder film it, maybe the tip of her knee wasn't her whole fucking leg was down dude just let that go or like that actually landed more on the neck and shoulder area which is a legal strike or like the intent like we can debate those things numbers are number like you can't debate the rules say you were allowed up to five minutes the moment you clear five minutes you that's over the fight has to start

it didn't the fight can't restart and we just like kind of don't give a shit about that, which is insane because no other sport like doesn't care about a codified rule. Frustrating. It was very, very dumb. Very frustrating. Shout out to Enigma Master, gifting five memberships. Shout out Enigma. On the Saturday.

This is a mad who is next week. I am fairly confident by next week we'll have our personalized badges up. Oh, sick. Mm-hmm. Been working on it. All right. Yes, watch party next week for UFC 327. yes, as we discussed,

Josh Van out. The fight with Tetsu-Ratira, now booked for the co-main event of UFC 328, which, by the way, blessing in disguise, blessing in disguise, to some extent. 327 didn't need this fight.

It certainly, like, made it cool. I didn't need it. Didn't need it, but, like, 328 needs a lot worse without it. I think 328. I think 327 without this I think we just straight up Rob Peter to pay Paul and it's the same

Like this fight just makes Whichever one of them better But it's on Because like now 327's main event is Or is awesome We love that main event Yeah You know

A slight asteris into it As it's a vacant title belt So it like will feel a little weird The cool main event It's current's plays Josh Hokit No It's Paula Costa Azamette Mersikano that's worse that's actually straight up worse that makes me more sad that you said that

like well that's either going to be like either we're going to be laughing a lot at that fight or paul cost is going to get obliterated in three minutes there's no between the card is overall good and i'm not saying that 327 isn't good but like the way paper views are built are there two tiers and then support. And you just took out a tier and didn't replace it with anything. And the, our qualms with 328 are main event is good. I have issues with it. I think most people don't.

And the support's okay, but it doesn't have that. So now you've just, you have just shifted the bird in one down. And that's fine. But like, I was super stoked on 327. I'm still pretty excited about it. I didn't realize until I looked at it. To like today, I was like, oh, it does feel substantively worse without another, another shiny thing at top, like another big, big piece at the top of it. I mean, the prelims alone are real good.

I mean, the worst fight on the card is Mark Elmadares and Chris Padilla. And that's like not a bad fight. The 328 prelims are good too, man. Let's take a look here. Joel Alvarez Asimov, good. Grant Dawson, Rebeske. Good. Clayton Carper, Jose Ochoa.

We've got a two Sacchia of murder coming up. Like, he's good. A table of Gote is going to kill a dude. It's good. He'll struggle badly and then find a way to win. These are the same fight card. If you took, like if Tyra thing, if instead of it getting moved back to

328, Van Tyra was just off, we would look at them like, these are the same fight card. Like they're functionally very incredibly similar. And that's good. They're both good. I am happy and content with both of them. I am mostly the thing I'm the most happy about is that this fight didn't get moved forever. It got delayed a bit, but, you know, it looks like maybe there'd be a replacement

stepping in. There weren't talks about that. And then that gets real weird because it appears that this is a Josh Van thing, not a Tyra thing. And so then, like, are we, if a replacement steps in, is it for an interim belt? if Pantosia isn't the replacement what the hell does that mean for things get real complicated real fast if this fight is just off

and not delayed a month so I'm mostly just stoked that like okay we're losing it this upcoming weekend which is sad we're not losing it it's not we don't have to wait long for it because a lot of fun stuff is happening at Flyway right now

and I don't want us to get bogged down because unfortunate injuries I still don't know what the injury is and I do have some questions about like why it's only a month and if you know van's going to be fully prepared in that time but he's an adult he gets to make his own choices so i assume he thinks he will be i mean i talk to some folks like i it's tough to even report it's like a hammy i guess is is what i'm hearing but it wasn't like super duper bad it was to the point where they thought like maybe they could save it that

yeah maybe he could come back and fight like they didn't the seriousness it was kind of unknown and then as it got to crunch time they're just like yeah can't do it bro um from what i understand lower body injury yeah well hockey term we'll go lower body injury um but nothing crazy um i think pantosia was like the only call that was made uh to potentially step in and fight tyra from everything that i've heard i've reached out to members of mid all cops team and if you were watching BTL on Thursday and I was like, oh, I got to go. That was why I took over. Like literally this is what we were working.

It was like, Hey, Mike, you need to look at this. Yeah. This is literally what I was working on was, uh, was trying to fully confirm this. Uh, I had sent out texts and normally it would be like if it wasn't true, I would have gotten immediate no. The fact that I got nothing told me that it was true. There's something. And then, yeah, and then other things went out and I started talking to others around it. And some people knew about it.

Some people didn't. Uh, cop was not never in play, from what I understand, uh, which means horiguchi was probably never in play. Uh, so it seemed like if they were going to try to maybe get pants and if they couldn't get pants, yeah, we'll push it back. No big deal. And that's that. Like, we're still going to get the fight and pants and get the winner and all as well. We just got to wait another month for it.

I'm okay with waiting a month for it. It's all good. But bummer, especially those that were looking forward to it. But we'll get it and it'll be fine. So. All right. We'll take a few questions and we'll get on out of here. Again, this is one of those events that like it was it over exceeded expectations.

I had way more fun than I thought it would. Shout out to Trashon Gore who was like a plus a billion and tapped Osama Beckoev who might just not be good. Um, apparently. Maybe pound for pound. He's on the Mount Rush more of like the worst fight IQs on the current UFC roster. I mean, just brutal. game planning. I just,

just real tough. But, but Gore, Gore looked better. I mean, those, that was the best he's probably looked in a fight.

I would have to say, uh, he took a beating and, uh, maybe a new mythical fight fighter as somebody, uh, hit me up on Twitter about maybe, uh,

no weed. Trashon Gore is, is the new sea level cane. Sure. Good, good for him. Uh, good for Darius.

A lot of cheating on this card. Darius Flowers cheating. Great. Obviously, Deanna Barbosa cheating. Great. We love. Yeah, that was a lot of cheating. We love cheating.

Jose Delano seems fun like him. I like him. That's what I got on this card so we can go to questions. Yeah, let's go to questions. Duke Bad Duck. Thoughts on UFC bearing gamut on the prelims, not even on the CBS prelims. UFC just kept him in the same slots. So yes, it'll be the new main card for Saturday is Prahashka, Ulberg for the belt,

Mercosacanov Costa, Blades, Hokit, Dominic Grace, Johnny Walker, and opening the main card will be the final fight of Cub Swanson's career against Nate Landware. And by the way, a million of you have reached out. Please interview Cub Swanson before his fight. I will be talking to Cub Swanson on Monday. So we made it happen. I told you that would work on it. Got it done.

Monday, talking to Cub. Talking to a lot of people on Monday. I think you're going to dig it. So, yes, Cubby, Nate Landware. And then Pitbull Pico is the prelim main event. Kevin Holland, Randy Brown, Gamrod Riebevich, and Suarez, Lupi Godinez. That is the ESPN prelims. And then we got Mederos Padilla.

Calvin Gas, oh, no, there's no ESPN prelium, so that I'm talking about. Well, that's very true. That's very true. uh ratkey prado kelvin gasol and vicente luke is the second to curtain jerker which is pretty wild and then madeiros chris padilla that those are the prelim so yeah thoughts on gamrott reevevich not getting the cbs prelim treatment i mean sure uh that's more of a why is rebovich who's super fun and interesting i know gamrott's good but this fight is set up in the hopes that gamrott loses like that's yeah the uc is not shy about like they don't

care about Matush Garamott. I like him. I think he's an interesting, not like a thrilling guy, but like an interesting fighter who is very good at fist fighting. But like, this was always his lot on this card.

I'm just super happy they put Cubby on the main. That was the right call. I was absolutely, like, I didn't know if they were going to do that or they were going to be like, you can be the prelim main event to lead in. It was like,

put Covey and Nate. Because that fight is going to bang. Like, there's almost no universe, which Cubby and Nate isn't like a heater. And so open up the proceedings, let Cub go out, win-loser draw. Like he's going to go out like a man. It's going to awesome.

Nobody cares. I assume that most people here did not watch the boxing. Derek Chazora, Deonté Wilder was incredibly fun. The rest of that card was a tough hang. But like Derek Chazora did what Cub Swanson is going to do, where he just was like, it's my last fight was bang and it rocked.

Like, you know, it was two 40 year old heavy weights. It had some moments. But the eighth round, round of the year across any combat sport, it was ludicrous. Like two knockdowns or like a piece or something. I think it was,

I think it was three total knockdowns or no. It was all should have been two knockdowns for a while there, but it was a knockdown for wilder. And then he got a point taken away for pushing, which was ludicrous. But while there's knockdown came immediately after he got his bell rung hard. So it was just sick. And like that, like that's what I hope and think is going to happen with Cub.

It's like, okay, you know, are we the best we've ever been? No, but we can still crack. We can still have a good time in there. And like they're going to go in there. And the thing like, while there. said after the fight a bunch he's like just talked about how fun it was and like that's what i anticipate happening cub and nate landware when they're done just taking chunks out of each other are going to be like that are really fun time in there that that was a fun scrap i'm pumped about that one man

yeah it's a rule and that's that's a watch party fight we'll watch it live we'll stand and applaud cub swanson as him and uh Nate lamber beat the shit out of each other just like him and billy beat the shit out of each other. Terrific. Absolutely perfect. A couple super chats. Dave, I feel like taking one point is consistent with thinking the file was real, but the effect was embellished.

And then also as I agree, if fight should have been stopped anyways. If the effect is embellished, I mean, I guess there's a world where you could be like, yes, you got hurt and you were hurt in a way that was substantive to your ability to win the fight. but I think you're lying about how hurt and thus it's only one point like that you're just doing mental gymnastics either you believe that woman was laid out on the ground and needed five plus minutes to recover

or you don't think it was a foul like I've been maybe I've said this before and I don't know the pro like one of the biggest straight up issues and makes no sense is that referees are just pants They are just stone cold pansies, and they are so afraid of hurting fighters' feelings of, by to do their job. And I don't want to affect anything. You affect fights by not doing your job.

Your jobs are codified. The rules are clear. Enforce the rules on the books. And the fact that you don't want to do that just creates downfield problems. And you should be the least, like, prone to do that because you can never get fired. And it's so frustrating, man, to just be like, there's no. reason christianny should let the fight go on i don't even care if she's faking like it's really just like okay well the fight can't go on and then call it in no contest if you want to do that way

would have been better than having her fight on and this being real stupid so it's incredibly frustrating that like we're 30 years in the sport is helmed by a multi-billion dollar company and it is being officiated as if it's still like some backwoods jackassery Yep. That's actually kind of funny. I didn't even think about that. I was just on Twitter. With this new adjustment of UFC 327,

Paul Costa competes in the co-made event for the fifth straight time, Jed. 278, 298, 302, 318, 327. Paula Costa, co-made event. Co-main Paulo, okay. Co-main-Pollo. That's an interesting little stat. That's a lot.

That's a lot. That's a lot. uh Ryan Trayshan said he was poor then he got no bonus really really a bummer because you know when you score I mean that's got to be the biggest upset of the year mathematically thus far I usually keep track of that I haven't this year but I mean he's a pretty big underdog there so yeah yeah great win for Trayshon very very good he's an athlete he's a very good athlete so that can get you far and with the right team and

people kind of molding him in the right ways. We'll see. Thinks he's going to win a belt. I don't know if that'll happen, but what a story that would be. Joseph, is Jillian Robertson in the catbird seat to get a title shot of McKenzie?

I know we have Tatiana Suarez, Lupi Godinez, and early premiums next week. Joseph, have you forgotten that Zhang Wei Lee exists? She is getting the shot. If Jean doesn't come down for some reason, then yes,

Gillian Robertson is. If Zhang Wei Li has decided to not fight this year then yes julian is in the cap bird seat honestly I would respect it a lot of Jean was like look I know I failed at 125 but 135

looks like buns I'm just going to go up to that that would be so sick dude I need one win I get to fight Kayla she gets there before Valentina does let me go fight Bia mosquito I might be able to beat her I don't know oh my god do you see Bia mosquito got both

straight up of some Mullins. Are you shitting me? But that rocks. How does that rock? That is because she's on my fantasy team. That's good, but she should be fighting. I agree, but I agree, but she might lose to Raquel Pennington. Give me them sweet three points, boy.

Straight up, Mike. Nobody asks his question. Coming off this loss, Zhang Wei versus Giuliana Pena, how confident are you that Paine? wins. I don't know. After seeing what Val did her?

She'll be the favorite, but like, how confident are you? I don't know, man. She had no chance against Valentina. I've read that. That was one of the worst. Yeah, Valencia is the greatest female fighter of all time. Julian Pania is Juliana Pania. How dare you.

You know what Zhang did? Zhang went 25 with Val. Pena didn't. I'm just saying, man, I wish Damon was here because I bet Damon would have takes. Oh, come on. We know how David feels

about Giuliana Pena. Again, Pena should be the favorite. I'm not saying she shouldn't. I would look at John. I'm just saying I wouldn't be, I wouldn't feel great about betting on Pena. If it was a big number,

then I would probably bet John. I, he says that. Totally, if you're listening, you can come and lose to McKinsey Dern or be a, be a hero.

I'm just saying you're going one, 35. It'd be the best thing in the world. That's shoot right now. She's bulk it up. She's like 141 right now. Oh, now this is a take. It's a great take. No, so Juliet is not in the catbird seat, by the way. Unless this is, this is true.

And even then, like, if Loopy goes out there and like, if Loopy goes out there and wins and makes Tatiana fun at the same time, then she gets it. She'll get it over Gillian in my opinion. I would say Lupy's. I mean, it's going to be either Zhang fights for it or whoever's available when they want to book it. Yeah. And I know McKenzie is a win over Lupi, but that was, what, three years ago?

Lupi goes out there and, like, blaze waste of Tatiana Suarez. Like, it's hard to argue that she doesn't deserve that opportunity. So Jillian's going to have to fight again. Like, it was a good win in her most recent fight. against Amanda Lemoche, but it wasn't like a, yeah, she's a no-doubter. I think if you're Jillian Robertson, you want Tatiana Suarez to win. Play, no doubt about it, you want Tatiana Suarez to win. Then you could probably, you could probably just sit out and wait for Dern and Zhang,

and then you'll probably get the winner. If Lupy wins, she might be in a little trouble. She's certainly going to have to fight again if loopie wins. So very likely But yeah She's not at a terrible spot But Uh

Logan Van is so easy to dislike I highlighted this one Because this is This is an incredible take I don't think I've ever heard anybody Like that dude's really easy It's like

I'm like Not that you need to love him You know But like I didn't know people Had strong takes on Josh van I just saw I was like

We're gonna say that for later I mean, I'd love to know why. Well, then tell me more because It's because he celebrated winning a championship, even though it was a weird finish. Weird win, still clean win. Of course it's a clean win. Yeah.

Even Pantoja. Panthosia. Yeah. Pantosia even said the same thing. It's like, dude, the dude won the belt. Like, he celebrated. No big deal. He's also like, have you seen Joshua in fight?

That dude's pretty fun. He's very fun. He's pretty fun. He had the fight of the year last year. Yeah, I just, I've never seen that take. And I was like, this is interesting. I need to know more. Yeah, he had the fight of the year and arguably and had a case for fighter of the year.

Fight of the year. Yeah, break out fight of the year. But fuck that guy. One of the fighters of the year. There's literally never been in a boring fight that I can remember. It's not even I dislike that guy. It's like, it is easy to dislike that guy. Okay.

I look I respect a bold take and that's a bold take too shay uh enigma is Kayla Harrison shooting yourself in the foot threatening to not fight anymore if they don't bring back the 145 pound division did she say that I didn't see that yeah she said she said she said she's got beat Amanda she's on Mazadol's podcast just you're going to beat Amanda and then she's going to say uh bring back 145 or I'm essentially just not going to fight again what do you think the office is going to do they're like oh Okay. Goodbye.

Give me your belt and go somewhere else. Shangway, leave. Jilita, baby. Uh, because like, um,

in principle, who cares? Just make women's heavy weight. That's fine. But also like, they'll just let you retire. And if you just retire, that's fine too.

Yeah. Like, you don't, you have at most three fights left. Like, at most, you have, you have,

you have Nunes, maybe a rematch with Nune, if that's really fun, like if the first one's very competitive, and then maybe Val. Like, that's the absolute most. So if your answer is like, or I'll retire, they'll be like, okay, we're losing one fight. These people didn't book John Jones versus Alex Brera. They're going to let you walk too, girl.

Of course they're going to let her walk. Are you kidding me? Of course they're going to let her walk. And honestly, what that happens? Yeah. You just say if Zhang is not there or if Bia hasn't arrived, women's 135, you're on, you're on cut watch. Yeah. No kidding.

The it factor. You all throw refs under the bus constantly. Yeah. And rightfully so. I don't that. I firmly disagree with this because throwing somebody under the bus implies that this is unwarranted. And no. the refs are just bad and we pointed out be better follow the rules like you know other sports do

you know if there's a rule enforce the rules force it hard there's a rule book enforcer you have you have referees publicly saying in interviews oh we don't want to be the ones responsible for a fighter losing and taking points away for an infraction we don't want to be the ones that cost them half their money then what are you doing there that what are you doing there just have a robot and do it. Like that just, that, that to me is so frustrating.

The thing is every time a ref answers a question, like the few times the refs will speak on something, their answers are never like, oh, here's like you're confused about how the rules work. They're always like, the vibes were that we give her more than five minutes. We just kind of felt like it'd be cooler

if she just has sort of an indefinite recovery time. And so we just kind of made it happen. because the vibes. Like this is 1996. In Dothan, Alabama, and we're making shit up on the fly. It's a great point from Joseph Bozo. Bia's book for June 20th.

The season ends. Yeah, it's called Keepers. It's called Keepers, bro. You're not going to keep Bea. Are you crazy? When she's booked for June 20th, I sure will because I'm going to at least get two fights out of her. Wow.

So you're going to get rid of either Fatima Klein or Carly Judice. And Colleen Judeaise will literally never compete on another human beings fantasy team. Wow. I'm very excited. Unless Collie Judice like breaks her leg, knock on wood, there's just, she will never be on anyone else's team ever. I promise you that. Wow. My daughter.

Fatima Klein getting. And Fatima Klein will be a first round draft. Wow. Um, the beast competing in June 20, whatever. her like you have she's like the first week you got to pick her because you'll get another one in god i'd have to keep her she's gonna hurt molysmallens i can't believe they booked that fight why are we baby stepping that's bad booking it is straight up bad why are we baby stepping be a mosquito like throw her to the wolves just get her one win and have her fight for the bell

protecting Kayla from her Kayla's going to retire before she has to fight bea they just don't want Zhang Waley to face Bia when she moves up to 135. I love this. I want this to be your new battle cry, Mike. Oh my gosh. So you know what? Maybe, maybe Jillian is in the catbird seat because John's going to 135. God, this would be the greatest thing that's ever happened in the history.

It would be so funny. She would be by fighter of the year if she goes up to 135 and wins one fight because it'd just be incredible. We talked about this a little bit. What did you guys think about the? Alvarez Amossov fight three guys that should be ranked in that division Alvarez Amosov and Oral by it's great fight Alvarez should be ranked um Alvarez mostly competed at lightweight so it's fine he's just had one of those careers where he wasn't consistent enough took enough time off

missed weight a couple of times if memory serves great great guy probably not going to get there um I love that fight I think Amosov's getting a little short shift amosov just beat you know, like a guy who's the gatekeeper to the top 15 and now he's getting into like a harder fight. So I do think Amosov got a little bit screwed here. But my guess is Oralba's next fight will be a top guy. And he deserves that. He deserves a rank guy.

And I like the Alvarez Amosov fight too much to be that upset, even if I think Amosov, you know, a little unfair for him. I don't think, especially after one UFC, If I don't think a lot of the dudes at 170 are like, yeah, I'll fight him. Sure. He's an established name. I'll fight him. That's true.

But he goes out there and dust up Joel Alvarez because I'm sure, I'm sure a lot of those guys that are ranked are just outside the top 15. When they see Joel Alvarez's name, they're probably reacting in a similar fashion. MSOV should have gone looking at the rank. He should have gotten Danny Rodriguez. I don't know if Danny Rodriguez is booked, but. I don't even know if Daniel Rodriguez is, I don't know what's going on with him. Yeah. He's the international man of mystery right now.

Yeah, that's like it. Or like Colby, obviously, but that wouldn't happen for several reasons. So like is what it is. We could have given him Leon, but why would Leon want that? Yeah. We should end on this. Yeah. Why is Chale saying O'Malley's the hobbyist for the interim?

I saw this earlier today. I don't know if Chale missed it. April Fools or if this is happening this is if it's an April Fools it's kind of a good one because it's not like super high stakes but it is believable like I could believe that this is true I don't know if it is but the UFC wants to put a belt on that man

they're going to do whatever they can to do it they already booked doing his statement's a hobby which is a good start and that'd be funny I would assume not though because like we're not that far removed and to change that from a three rounder to a five rounder feels like a pretty big deal. But maybe. Yeah. I'm just looking at something real quick. Yeah.

To me, this is this is chale getting clicks. Like this is what this is. And he can do it because. There is a history of doing this. Yeah. I mean, this literally is his gimmick. it's literally what he does he says a lot of things

that are just not true and people believe them and people write them up and I think chale gets his jollies from it but you literally have both fighters saying it's for an interim belt chale looking at this like oh I can they both said it so now I can try to get some YouTube views off of this and that's exactly what this is so

yeah this is not for an interim belt and even if they were going to do an interim belt oh god they actually probably would do it this way wouldn't they 100%. I can believe that this happened but my best guess is that Chale Sondon heard something from someone and just said it because in my experience of watching Chail

he because he's not really a journalist and certainly doesn't feel compelled to do like double verification. He'll just say stuff. It's like that he heard from somebody and I doubt that this is true it would be both funny and sad if it were true and it could be true

but I think it's unlikely that this is true yeah I don't think it's true don't think it's true all right I think we're good I think we've we've exhausted we solved women's ban and weight we've done enough tonight we sure have we do have some matchmaking left to do that'll be the last thing

we'll probably really even talk about this card. Not that it was a bad one. It's just this is the, as you like to say, Jed, the contractual obligation card before the big one, before UFC 327, which everyone will be excited about. And rightfully so. It's a very fun card. And then from here, what's after this?

Is there an event next week? April 18th? Next week? Oh, you mean the week after 327? Yeah. I was like, you literally just said it was next week. After that, we're going to Canada. Oh, yes.

I won't be, and I'll be at RAF. I just found that out tonight. I'll be going to Philadelphia for RAF8. Yes, more Armand Sarucan in our lives, just with the doctor ordered. But yes, AK and I matchmaking tomorrow. And then a very busy week here at Emma fighting, preparing you for UFC 327. Beast comes out next week. as well i spoke to the star of that film daniel mcphirson that's coming up uh probably dropping

monday or tuesday so much going on stick with us mbfighting dot com that's great website for jem shu i am mike heck good night everybody love you all happy easter to those who celebrate yes happy easter which we are now officially in easter yes literally you're listening to the vox media podcast network