MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 116 Post Show: Aljamain Sterling dominates Youssef Zalal. Is Alexander Volkanovski next?

Episode Date: April 26, 2026

Aljamain Sterling just gets better with age. On Saturday night, the 36-year-old former bantamweight champion continue his impressive run at 145 pounds, dominating Youssef Zalal in the main event of UFC Vegas 116. Sterling is now 3-1 at featherweight, with his lone loss being a close decision to Movsar Evloev, and given his pedigree, the question is, is Sterling next in line for Alexander Volkanovski? Following UFC Vegas 116, MMA Fighting’s Jed Meshew and Alexander K. Lee react to Sterling impressive performance and what it means for the featherweight title picture. Additionally, Meshew and Lee discuss Joselyne Edwards’ massive win over Norma Dumont, the rest of the UFC Vegas 116 card, answer fan questions, and more. Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Alexander K. Lee: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@AlexanderKLee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah. Those aren't horns. Those are victory. Bongoes. Bongos are play. and they play for Al Jermaine Sterling because he is the victor here at UFC Vegas 116. Hi everybody.

I'm Jedmishu. That right there? I'm sorry, that guy right there? It's Alexander K. Lee. We're here to talk about the fights that just happened and I'm going to level with you. It's probably not going to be super long based on the card that just occurred. But thank you for tuning in and joining with us as we, you know,

a couple of things happened, but the biggest by far is, of course, Adjamaine Sterling's dominant performance over use of Solal, and we will get into all of that. A.K., let me unmute you, and then let me ask you, A.K., how are you doing? I'm unmuted. You are. Okay, that was, that was just checking. I'm doing okay.

That was a card. That was a card. It lived up to our expectations. Is that a nice way of putting it? But did it? I did it even. Honestly, I expected more out of this card, quite frankly. You gave it four and a half.

I think you bumped it up to like five. I ended up to a five, five, five or a halfer. I expected more. It was not awful. Some things happened to you that were good. The main event, which I think we're going to spend most of our time talking about tonight, it was very impressive and not like a bad watch.

It's not something I'll go back and dive into, but a perfectly fine performance. There were a couple of other good things, but A.K., I want to start us right here at this important point. I want to shout out Jedi Goodman over on the old Twitter machine X, if you will, who alerted me to this. The record, Alexander K. Lee, for most decisions in a UFC event is 11, and tonight we tied that record. 13 fights went on. We got almost full time across 13 fights of all. all the minutes possible.

One bout ended in the first round. Thank you, Jackson McVeigh. And one bout ended in the second round. Thank you, Ryan Span. The rest of them, they all went to the judge's scorecard. So you got your money's worth, aka this week we were talking about is $8 too much to pay.

You got every cent of that $8 worth tonight, my friend. Yeah, and okay, I don't think it helps help you complain. You got your duration. You don't complain when you get like extra innings in a baseball game, right? You're like, hey, free baseball. This is like getting, well, not free MMA because you're right. I mean, theoretically every card, I guess, would have to, every fight would have to go to a decision for you to feel like you got your full amount.

But you guys know what Jed is saying. Like, this is a lot more like minute by minute MMA action than you would normally get. Yeah, we only had two finishes. That's pretty crazy. And not all that surprising. I'm going back and looking at my own sort of predictions here for the card, which, by the way, we're horrible. I think I got four out of 13. really bad.

I didn't do much better, buddy. I believe I got six. I don't think anybody did well tonight if you were chucky, because I think someone said I heard eight underdogs. Oh, a lot of dogs. Even the dogs who lost, like the big favorites didn't even win as big as you kind of might have thought. It was a night for the dogs for sure.

Yeah, and it was a night for decisions. I had a six-leg, a bunch of fights to go, just to go to round two. And I think I was only sweating one. I think Jackson almost knocked out Barcelos. but I remember broselos cannot die. So I was fine. But yes, if you had gone heavy on,

you guys could have done eight legs. Apparently you could have done possibly 11 legs if you picked the right ones. And you would have gotten the biggest, passivest parlay of all time. Yeah, I predicted nine decisions. So I was short by two because, yeah, I thought some of these people would be able to put them away.

But not surprising at all, not surprising at all. A lot of these fights had the potential to go the distance. And sure enough, that's what we got. And that's not all bad. some of these cards went to fights went to a distance were pretty good but i think it's fair people kind of look at the overall you know skim these results and go like wow this doesn't look like it was a super eventful card yeah you'd be correct it was not it was not um and i mean as we talked about in the preamble to this you know even if these had all been finishes that would have been better

it's always more fun but you know it's there wouldn't have been a ton of relevant things happening nevertheless some decent fights took place tonight i think it's going to be fairly straightforward how our bonuses go they have yet to be arrived but since there are only two finishes i'm going to go ahead and guess the jacks mcbay and ryan spain get performance bonuses this evening and i mean your fight of the night could be up in the air but i i would personally give it to the fight that i think we would have picked going into this of davy grant uh adrian luna martinetti because that was that was the most fun I had on watching this whole car, AK,

but we can get all to that. Let us focus on the main event for now, AK. And in the main event, as I mentioned, Al Jermaine Sterling dominates you, Sousal, 45s across the board. Zalal did have a strong third round where he managed to,

for a very brief moment, legitimately threatened Sterling with a guillotine choke, that at the start of it seemed cute, like, oh, that's your, and then it was like, oh, my God, he actually has his sterling's in real trouble use it to reverse position and got on top it's the only round he won the rest of the fight was you know the first round was competitive it was a back and

forth affair before sterling got to take down the you know near the end of it the rest of it sterling through superior technique skill will effort uh stamina conditioning veteran presence all of the above just kind of never let us all get going into the sort of dynamic fighter that he wants and has been over this current streak of his takes a very clear decision win and i mean credit to him since moving to featherweight aljimaine sterling 36 years old still looks quite good a k but after the fight the big thing to talk about tonight is what happened as we talked about before and as sterling himself pitched afterwards he wants a title fight he wants a shot at alexander volkinovsky he did not press for it uh from immediately he kind of

built his way into a more traditional callout where he also did some Al Jermaine Sterling. He's coming for a lot of asses, AK. That is an Al Jemaine Sterling thing that he intends to do. But, AK, very simply put, before we break down how impressive Al Jardemian Sterling's win was, is he next in line? Is he done enough to leapfrog, the presumptive novice of love next crack at Al-Alexander Volkovsky? surely he can't surely right and i get it this performance was very good tonight it's what he was supposed to do we i think he well he was the underdog by the time the fight closed wasn't he like

there was plus one 10 i believe was the official line close man's anyone who hopped on that congrats to you because uh i think well you know with respect to zal i think we knew he'd be a good challenger but a lot of us played the well who have they fought you know a game and i think while zalalal's beating some good veterans um i think when you stack up the competition with aljo And also just look at how Aljo has been at 145. Really competitive. Everyone can hide to point to the Mofsar fight, right? Yes, he lost, but anyone who watched that fight at no point did anyone think, wow, like Aljo just getting killed or Aljo just completely outclassed.

It looked like, oh, wow, Aljo is like right up there with a guy who I think a lot of is considered to maybe be the best fighter at 145 who isn't the champion. So even going back to that. And I know they were take of fight wasn't very inspiring, but, you know, pretty clear win for him as well. So, yeah. So, gosh, I just don't, I tweeted it right after. And that's, if Aljo were to get the title shot, that's not two guys who Movesar beat, who leapfrogged him for the shot. And it just doesn't sound right. I know guys, you're like, I mean, Diego Lopez did it twice.

Diego Lopez twice, and then it would be Aljo. And I know MMA, it doesn't work that way. There's a lot of timing involved. I know Moversar had, you know, he was out for a while. So it's not, right, what was you supposed to do? They couldn't give him the shot then. fine i i get it it would just be so egregious and looks so bad because as competitive as that sterling fight was mobsar won i think mostar was that was the fair

winner um i could go back and watch it and i'm sure you can make some sort of case for al joe but i don't think it's a robbery by any means if you scored it from mobsar which is the official result um we know he beat dougal lobes in the first fight you know it was competitive mozsar is that dude and he just beat loren morprey again i know another highly contested fight it's not like mostar is running through these guys but I just don't see how he can be overlooked. So no, a firm no on Aljo for now. He has time.

He has time to win another fight. Can we just make him do another fight? I mean, I do believe that this was the outcome that Mavsar of Love really needed to hope for. It was a dominant performance, but not a thrilling one. I mean, not a bad one. Again, I'm not trying to disparage this performance, but it's not, it was not Corey Sandhagan of murking. And then a drop-the-mic promo was like, hey, you know, Maybe it happens if Mobstar pulls out or gets injured,

but I think Mobb Star of Love has maintained his inside position. But, AK, I will note in the pre-main card video package that they rolled out. I don't know if anybody else noticed this. And I wouldn't bet my life, but I was watching pretty closely. And there's a point in it where the whole premise of the promo is talking about featherweight and where feather, what a year it's been at featherweight. And already it's been actually it's been actually.

with the champion defending his title once and now a lot of guys are trying to stake their claim it next and you got Jean Silva and you got Diego Lopez for some reason and you and you got my beautiful son in there you know Vajos you got

all these people Al Jermaine Sterling Yus of Zalal you did not give Mofor Evloev in the guys staking their claim despite him getting a win earlier this very year and arguably the most impressive win of any of them because it came over the best dude. Nevertheless, we'll see, I guess is sort of the answer here. We will see if this is where the UFC goes.

I know we work with some people who would like to see that happen. Some people probably would, and it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but it would be pretty tough scenes from Obsereblo, in my point. But AK, let us celebrate Al Jermaine Sterling now, not for what he may have accomplished, but what he did accomplish. and he handed Usselaul his first loss since the law has returned to the UFC and he looked very, very dominant, you know, questionable at points, uncomfortable at points, but really outside of a very brief moment in the third round,

never seemed to be in serious jeopardy in this fight. So, A.K., I asked this question to you. Is this the best version of Al Jermaine Sterling or maybe not that? Is Al Jermaine Sterling still at the peak of his point? powers and to such an extent, does he even represent a real challenge to Volcanovsky, if that is where we go? Man, it's hard to say. And I will give him a lot of credit tonight.

Like, I think you could say this is, I would say, like, this is one of his best performances. I know he was Bantuweight champion. I'm trying to think which fights we could like. Like T.J. Dillashah, guys, I mean, I think that's just such a forgettable fight. Both Piotr-Yon fights, definitely not the first one. The second one, I'm fine with him winning that fight, but I don't know. It didn't wow. It was a really good fight too.

It really didn't wow me, like kind of, you know, how he did it against the law today, right? Like this was, he showed resilience and he also showed when he's at his most dominant. The yon fights are so weird. They're weird. He's had, he's had one of the weirder careers. We always talk about this. Like in the history of elite fighters. And people, people like to say, and there's absolutely some truth to it that like Al Jermaine Sterling is disrespected.

And there's 100%. there's like that's a real thing those people also should acknowledge that his career real weird like it's and not always his fault you know but like just real real weird and that does make people feel some type of way i'm comfortable saying this like one of his three best performances maybe if you want to cut the second period of yon fight which i'm okay with because again that was just like he said weird but really tough fight he got the win somehow he got he got out of there you know uh Corey sanhagen i think would ask you up there just ran right through him and then before that like I don't know.

I don't know if I would necessarily put any of those fights. I'm just looking at his list for now, like Jim Rivera, Brett Johns, like good wins. But this was really, really impressive tonight. And again,

we're talking about a guy who's really having to reach down into that, like, that skill set, that experience because he's not old, but he's been in the cage for a long time. And he is certainly on the older side of things for a fighter competing at 135 pounds. So, yeah,

just from a skill standpoint, poise, everything he's learned inside the octagon and in training. Really, really impressive. So I think one of his best performance, for sure. I think that's that's very valid. I think it's three looking at the resume right now. I think, uh, Peodor Yan, too, I thought he won that fight and it was a spuddy and some people

don't think I, and given the circumstances, I was just so massively impressed by his performance that evening. Um, I also think you can score that fight like a draw if you really wanted to, but just a incredible performance that I gave him a ton of credit for at the time and still do Corey Santagin, what Corey was and even went on to become a moat him down like that. And then, yeah, I mean, this is the other ones like, what do you, who cares about the Dillishaw one? That's a fake fight. The Suhudo win was not a bad win, but also another splity, weird. What a strange-ass title run this man had.

Calvin Cater, Brian Ortega, solid wins and performances, but this one felt, felt the best of the rest. So, I mean, full credit to him. His mic work at the end, AK again, you know, maybe not exactly how I do things. A lot of talking of asses loves it. But he just loves it. He just loves it. But, you know, he asked for without insisting on the title fight at first and then sort of got led into it by Daniel Cormiere to drop a promo. And not bad.

I think a very, very strong outing for this man overall. And at 36 years old, I think Al Jemaine Sterling, he's probably at the end of his prime. Maybe he's not even in his prime right now. He might already be on the slight decline, but he still looks very, very good. And he is fully acclimated to 145 in a way that I think is quite admirable, wouldn't you say? Definitely. I mean, we've seen a lot of people do the move up. And it just feels almost like obligatory.

It feels like, oh, what are their options? What other options are there? And honestly, listen, that was kind of the case with Aljo too, right? He had said it for the longest time. And he, you know, Marab's his close friend, he had kind of, his existence at the top had kind of been holding Maraub back. And Maraub was never going to complain. If Aljo had kept winning, Mara would be like, cool, I'll beat up five other dudes. I don't care.

But it just felt right for him to move up. And he's gotten the right opponents. And Calvin Cater was a great first opponent for him. Again, the Mosa fight right away. It made sense given his past accomplishments, even though we knew Mousar was, you know, was kind of the dude at one of And again, Aljo put on a good fight. If Aljo had beaten him, 100% would have fought for the title. No complaints.

No one would have said anything. So yeah, he's looked very good at 145. I think he's, excuse me, I think he was kind of always on the bigger end of 135. And we talk about it a lot about like, well, imagine how good this guy would be without the weight cut. And while, you know, maybe his ideal weight is still 135, he does not look out of place at 145. I don't think there's a lot of like huge 145ers that are just being there with him and be like, oh wow, like, you know, this is this is why he should have stayed at phantom weight. Like I don't think we really had that situation.

Maybe like even like a Brian Ortega is like a pretty big guy. It didn't make much of a difference. He didn't look that much bigger than Al Jemaine Sterling. So yeah, I'm very happy for him that he didn't fall into this trap. Like I'm just doing this to hold on as long as I can for relevance. And it's like, and it's legitimately a title challenger. Like we kind of pooed like him getting it next. I do think that would be a bit silly.

It is certainly in play, but it would be silly. but one more win against anyone in the top eight top nine I got no problem with it would love to see him fight Volcanov or whoever happens to maybe it's a Vloya by then maybe he fights a Vloyav rematch I'd love to see that too so Aljo he's doing well support for this show comes from Odu running a business is hard enough

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And Gokinovsky, you know I'm coming for you. I don't think they should do that. I mean, Mopsar should fight for the belt. I think if you put Al Jameen Sterling in against Sean Silva, I think that'd be great. Allegedly, Yair Rodriguez, still competes in this white class. I don't know. I've heard that name before, but I will see if he,

fights ever again. So yeah, I think there are other things to do. And I think that could be a no doubt about a title eliminator. But mostly what I think is we'll find out what they'll do tomorrow on onto the next one, a terrific program with you and Michael Heck. So tune into the Univating Podcast Network for that, AK, we're going to transition to the co-main event because again, we ain't going an hour tonight, boys.

That's just not happening. I mean, we could just skip this if you want to really save time. I mean, we're not going to spend a lot of time. I'm on it, but I, but I reject the premise that this doesn't matter because I do think it does, even if this fight was not awesome and nobody cares. I'm going to force us to respect it because it's a valid co-main event as Jocelyn Edwards gets it done over number three, Norma Dumont, winning a unanimous decision 29, 28, 29, 28, and 30, 27 on the scorecards. A.K., I don't think there's any real controversy, but I will throw this out to you because some people believe

Norma Dumont won this fight. I think everybody agrees it's not a robbery, but who did you think won the fight? I guess let's start there. I had it for Justin Edwards. Again, I can have it either way. I don't mind, but I just, I don't know to put it.

It's somewhat subjective. I just always feel like, and maybe I'm being influenced by Justin Edwards is like past or recent wins, the fact that I think of her as a finisher. I just think there's something more substantial to your offense. Like, all the credit in the world for Norman Dumont, for the way she's strung together this, this win streak.

Very steady, just like pretty good striking, good cardio, okay defense. I know it doesn't sound like the greatest praise, but it was enough to beat fighters like Kettin Vieira. And who else she beat during this run? Oh, Jermaine Durandami, Irene Aldana. Like these were the former champion, Jean-Daranymy. Former champion Jermen. to me really one of the 10 greatest women's fighters of all time

sounds a bit crazy but she is I reject that I'll just find 10 people I refuse to put her in the top 10 that's GDR I also don't even like off the top of my head I'm not even sure it's true but I even if it might technically be true

I'll I'll jiggle the numbers until we get to her not being in the top 10 all time I'm glad she didn't fight cyborg She vacated her time. I think that's the funniest thing that maybe has ever happened in the history of the sport. I'm just not going to do it, she said. I'm not going to do it.

Like, it's straight up the most transparent ducking that's ever happened in combat sports is awesome. No, you can have the belt. I'm good. But yes, Norman DeWant very solid fighter. I just kind of, I guess I just favor the way Jocelyn attacks and all that. But no, this was a pretty close fight. I did not feel strongly that like either fighter dominated. I kind of slightly scored it towards Jocelyn Edwards.

I thought Norman DeWant's reaction was a bit silly. She looked very shocked, but I'm like, I like to think if her and her team look back at the footage, they'll see where they could have done more and just kind of fell short on the cards. I mean, most importantly about this fight, A.K., other than Jocelyn Edwards, will be the number three ranked women's ban on weight come Tuesday in the UFC rankings. Number two in my rankings. I'm putting their number two. Well, that's impressive.

Not counting Amanda Nunes. Amade and Nunes is not back in my rankings. Of course. Of course. I believe you functionally sewed up the fantasy title with this one. I'm not, I'd have to run the numbers. Mathematically,

it's maybe possible that someone catches you, but you still have Josh Van and Alex Pereira who will get you some points, even if they both lose. I think you have locked and Hocke, obviously still beat up. I believe you have mathematically locked up fantasy. If it's not mathematically,

it's pretty close to mathematics. I know, I know we've talked about Josh Hockett a lot. We don't need to talk about it more tonight, but boy, I need to clip like when I picked him. It was like, it was genuinely hilarious. Because I think you, I think you guys all, we all knew it was a good pick. But we just didn't think you would do it.

You didn't think I thought you were a man of principle. And we were wrong. And it was just funny. It was just like, you were thinking like it made so much sense, but it also felt so bad. But it doesn't feel bad now. So yeah. It feels pretty. I'm good.

I've yet to see bonuses. Let me know if they drop AKP. I think it's exactly what you said. I saw Marcel, Marcel Dorf, tweet them. I believe that's the official. I mean, I would be shocked if it weren't because there were, again, two finishes. Oh, two finishes. Yep.

And David Grant, Martinetti, obviously. 25K did the other fighters that got to finish. Zero. Zero. Zero. So Ryan Span and Jackson McVeigh each get 125K. No, only 100. Only 100.

If you get a bonus, you don't also get a finish bonus? You didn't see the big controversy yesterday when Ariel. Ariel. Ariel tweeted it and then and some people were said that like they already knew, which I mean, I did already know, but I didn't mind him tweeting because I do think it was unclear. I did see a lot of people asking in our in our comment sections several times asking, is it 100K plus the 25K? I mean, it's dumb. It wouldn't be 125. No, because it's only it's you get a bonus, then you don't get the mandatory.

And if you don't get the bonus, then you get the mandatory. So, so no other. Hey, man, that's going to save the UFC like 200 grand. It really did. And over the course of the year. This is how they wish it would go every card is two finishes, one fight of the night. They would love that. That's so dumb.

AK, we're going to run down. And by we, I mean, I'm going to run down the remaining results in this card. Yes. Just chime in if you have something that you would like to say or that you feel needs at least a note. Rava Garcia's. Or not Garcia. That's not even a name. Rolfo Garcia defeats Alexander Hernandez as I portmanteaued them.

by unanimous decision. Actually, I'm not even going to say decision. All of the decisions are unanimous decisions, and you know the two finishes. We've mentioned them multiple times. Yes. Everything I read will be a decision victory. Davy Grant over Adrian Luna Martinetti was a very fun fight.

I do just want to give that credit. That was the highlight of the evening. We knew it would be fun, and it did deliver. I don't think Martinetti's going to be a world beater. I think he and Vlogged in will be exactly what they were on Contender Series. fun as hell. And they're going to run it back. They're going to run it back at some point. I mean, they absolutely should. We should get like, uh, Spencer Fisher, sort of like that kind of trilogy between these two bozos, just being awesome. David Grant,

40 years old, still doing the thing. Love that for him. Honey Barcellos, a split decision, actually. So I'd correct me on that one over Montel Jackson overcame a tough first round to be a very harony Barcellos type win. That's 40 and he's still eating shots like that. It's like, I'm good. I'm coming back. I still believe in Montel. I still believe in Montel. And now he ranked.

Ryan Span had arguably the second best moment of the night when he knocked out Marcus Buchetia and then afterwards is talking to Daniel Cormier. And he looks at the camera as like, I look fat. And DC is like, you filled out. You're a heavyweight 265. And he's like, what are you? And Cormeier's like, don't worry about it. It was easily the only other fun thing.

That was great. That's great. Buccece is not great, by the way. He's awful. He will not be in the UFC maybe like two hours from now. He may be getting his big slip as he leaves the building. For all of the good that the Gracie family did to sell BJAJ, Marcus Bcetch is really making it look like BJ is a scam

and you should not spend your money on it. Eric McConaugico, impressive upset over Hidalfa Vieira, who also is making BJJ look like a scam. It doesn't work. It doesn't work, guys. BJJ does not work and especially if your BJJ also only comes with four and a half minutes of cardio

Jackson of A submits Sajid Duma then tries to put on an English accent for a minute in his Irish no he was doing McGregor he's doing Connor it was so bad It wasn't very good Irish but okay That's how bad it was So Jake Dumas got to go

I don't know why he's Don't know why he's still there Hopefully this is the last one Michelle Montague defeats Mario Buena Silva, who I assume will be getting her walking papers. It's five in a row for her. Montague, athletic.

Maybe somebody to watch at Women's Bannway. Did you say they're releasing MBS? What's our number one ranked women's bandwry? I assume on five losses in a row, yes. Damn. Michelle Montague's great. You know who doesn't have five loss in a row? Cody Darden because he upset Jaffa Ophelia.

Pretty big upset. Might be mathematically the biggest one of the year. I have to go look at that tomorrow at some point. stepping on our short notice and just, you know, good win for Cody Durd and shout out Covington, Georgia. Francis the Fire Marshal decisions Lucas Brennan, Victor Valenzuela decisions 40-year-old Max Griffin, who not all the 40-year-olds did great tonight.

Sorry for you, Max. And Toledo Allen Carr opens the proceedings with the unanimous decision win over Julia Polast Street, she saved Jiu-Jitsu. I think single-handedly she kept Jiu-Jitsu alive tonight. I by a live you mean on the ventilator okay then sure we can

operate those terms AK anything you want to speak to this card before we go to the peeps for a rapid fire Q&A session I will say no one will be leaving a comment about how we complained about the card on Friday and then are praising it by Monday no that is not we complained about the card on Monday

and we are just saying it was not a good card and we're sticking to it I strongly, strongly anticipate that there won't be any Michael Bisping comments about how, oh, you guys said this card was trash and look at how good it was. Like, actually, all the people who say, you know, it's the cards you don't see coming. Y'all are going to have a quiet weekend is what I'm saying here, ladies and gentlemen. That's it, boys. We're going to move into the Q&A.

You see the scroller on the bottom. Ask us questions. go very long because it's past midnight and this card wasn't amazing and also I don't want to get yelled at by people who are in charge of me and also don't want us to spend two hours doing this. So unless one of you don't donate $1,000 right now and please don't do that, we're going to wrap this fairly tightly. So fire any questions preferably around the card, but you know, it doesn't have to be. And please vote in the poll.

Please vote in the poll. Oh, there's a poll going. who gets a title shot against Alexander Volcanowski. Mozart, but fortunately, very far ahead. 51%, 35% though, saying Algepain Sterling. Guys, come on.

And 14% Jean Silva. My kick is better than me, Michael Weston. I agree. Is that pointing? Is that what he... I assume that it's like the greater than symbol. No, I don't think that's what you're saying.

I mean, this is a... addressed to me, AK, but who would you like to see Aljo fight next if he doesn't get the title shot? We talked about it a little bit, and you have on to the next one. But like, if you had your druthers, if you had the pen, who are you going for Aljo?

Well, we won't be doing Al Joe. Oh, sorry, we will be doing Al-Jal. That's right. I'm sorry, we won't be doing Zal. Man, that's tough luck for Zal. He'll be back. Zalal will be back. He will be headlining an apex card again. Mark my words. Al Jermaine Sterling, I think I'm going to go with, and I reserve the right to change my mind,

guys before tomorrow morning. I've wanted him to fight Yaya year for so long since he moved up to 145. I think that's still the way I'd like to go. I know Jean Silva does need a fight. I'll have to double-check. I should double check who I matched up with Jean-Silva with. Maybe I've already done my homework and book someone past featherweight against the winner of this fight. I don't remember. But right now, out of my gut, I'm going, I'll show and yeah-year. That would be kind of weird because if a year-year-one, then it'd be like, what do you do with him? I wouldn't give him. a ball-clauci shot anyway i'll stick with that for now i think i just go jean sylva just because like those two dudes are posturing for a title fight let's solve this the old-fashioned way

have them fight each other winner gets the fight for the belt um i think that's a fun fight it's a winnable fight for al joe dato lopez was cooking john silver on the floor in their fight in that first round i i like the matchup i think we learn a lot that's the one i'd go with don't know if it's what will happen but if i had the pin uh I want to, I mean very quickly, just shout out of a boy lazy bag. Our lady Bia of Mosquito will save both BJAJ and women's bantam weight. Wow. It's hard to save BJJ, which is a lie.

We don't want to save a lie, but my girl, Beaumostita. She is, she and Michelle Montague are the hope for this weight class. Oh, I should rank her. I should rank be a mosquito, shouldn't I? Yes. If she's not ranked, you should definitely do that. I mean, she hasn't beaten anybody yet. Okay.

they're come on Misha Tate's in the rankings like what are we doing she's not my rankings you know who's in my rankings Canada's own Melissa Croden

how do you feel about that yeah Bia mosquito should be in over how that tastes I think I have Croton ranked but Bia mosquito should be ranked over her

Crotin just beat Zelzzyloznyakova yes who's not on par with man via beat Moncey Rendon Monce Rondon's on like a

Not good Oh gosh I don't know what we're doing here but And I don't know what Peter Byers is doing, but we love him. Peter Byers with the super chat. Pete, you didn't have to, man, and we love you for. Thank you, Peter.

What did you think of the commentary team tonight? Was Cruz a little better without Bisping? No. I have two minds of this, A.K., because I actually did early in the evening. I literally, I was cooking dinner with the fights on, and I was like, I usually don't like the double D.C. action. They are doing fine. I was like this isn't Cormier was calling balls and strikes at multiple points in the broadcast. He was just like, these aren't good fights.

In the transition to the main card on his mic time, he was like, look, not all the prelims were good, but we got a little bit better. And hopefully this main card will be good, which I appreciated. I thought Cruz had a couple of moments that were tough. His talking about like in the transition period where they cut to you and you have to say something was really awkward and bad. I think a couple of bad moments. I think DC like pretty blatantly just did not know who some of these people were. Which is always tough. And the standout moment of the evening to me was when Buccecha got a take down on Ryan Span.

And Ryan Span gets an armin guillotine against Buccecha. And DC is like, oh, he's got a guillotine. I was like, my guy. What do you think is Marcus Buccia? You think Ryan Span with an arm in, legs kind of involved? Like, that's, no, we don't need to do this. Well, he's, what do you mean? According to D.C., Marcus Bucchia got submitted in his first UFC fight.

What are you talking about? So he's already been submitted in the UFC, according to Kormier. He, I rarely have occasion to say this. Dominic Cruz was the better man on the mic tonight. That doesn't happen a lot from my perspective. DC clearly just did not know several of these fighters. And like at one point also he, oh, he didn't realize, they talked about Mavsar and I forget what fight it was in,

but it was like he wrestles with Mavsore Evluev and Matush Gamrot. He knows how to defend takedowns. And D.C. is like, yeah, but Mavsar is tiny. Oh, no. It was the Francis Marshall fight. It's like, yeah, but Momfstar is tiny. It's like, they're in the same weight class, D.C. That, like, Francis Marshall isn't normally a lightweight.

And he's like, oh, it's confusing with the other guy. It's like, man, there's a tough. He had a tough night. Cruz was fine. And I usually don't like Cruz, so totally funny. I do respect the premise of the question because I don't think this thing is great shakes on commentary either. I think he makes things mostly worse.

But I really can't stand the Carmier. Cruz commentary. Now, when they're just breaking, there are moments. When they're just doing technique talk and breaking things down, there was, I can't remember, I think it was in the, which fight was it? Probably during the fight that I was thoroughly enjoying the Davy Grant, Linda Martin 85. I might have been during, actually, I might have been during Barcellus and Jackson. They were bringing on some sort of grappling thing. And I was like, wow, like, that's really insightful. And these guys clearly know what they're talking about. Like if you're going to go to someone, again, just for technique talk, they're really great at it. It's just the whole

broadcasting thing. It's a bit beyond them. And again, I don't, I've said this a hundred times guys, so I'll keep it short. I don't blame them. They didn't go to school for this. They're learning on the fly. They've been learning on the fly for years, yes, but they're still learning on the fly. There's just basic fundamental things that they never picked up. And if you, you're not taught those things, unless you have this very natural aptitude for it, you're just never going to pick it up. So like when we mock them for these things and we say they're falling short, like a lot of it's not their fault. They just weren't taught that way. So they just, D.C. just makes so many errors. I think both guys still have no idea how to score a fight. It's ridiculous when they

get in their high horse about judging and start calling out like online commenters that are put on screen and going like, oh, I can't believe this guy said this is a 10-8 or it can't be scored this fight for this person. It's like, yeah, you can't believe it because you have no effing idea what you're talking about when it comes to scoring fights. I think they're trying. I think they're doing a little bit better. I think they try and bring up their criteria sometimes, but like only when it's convenient to them. So it's not consistent. So, man, I just do not need to see DC and DC back together. It might be my least favorite commentary duo of the color commentaries, like the analysts. I just don't enjoy it.

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oh, because when Cormier is like, I don't know if that's a 10-8, there's, I was like, they've they've pretty clearly outlined like what constitutes the 108 just read it and you know then you can quibble with whether we've seen but it's just like ah that's the part that bothers me but i would say that they weren't their worst but also it's they just wasn't nothing would i think be that bad tonight because it was all just it was all a whatever a wash um okay can we get your take on the NBA playoffs. I would like to give you my take, which is LeBron James as a Martian. That's all I got.

I'm the same age as him. And just as good. Yes. You're like, AK, you know what's cool? You and me are technically the same species as LeBron James. I know. I know.

Doesn't that seem like wrong? Seems like we probably aren't. Man, can you just play for another 10 years? He just, just don't retire. Probably, yes. Don't retire. Just don't retire. keep playing. He has another son who like also will probably get a look at the league at some point.

Dude, I wanted to play this grand kid. That would be awesome. I can't. I think the funniest tweet I saw was someone like, he created a teammate. Yes. This man, but in the lab, well, whatever you want to call it. And he created a teammate. I'm like, amazing. Quick dots in the playoffs. Super exciting so far. Man, I think they just had a really good break with how the seating turned out. Orlando, like the eight seat in the east has been amazing. My Raptors pretty competitive, at least in the third game against the Cleveland Cavaliers. So yeah, a little bit of uncertainty, which you don't always get in the first NBA playoffs. So that's a lot of fun. OKC's going to win it all if they're healthy. They're just

the way the construct is just so crazy. But yeah, but you could talk to me into San Antonio. Wembe gets over the concussion stuff. You could talk to me into maybe a team from the east. I don't think so. I think it's going to be a team from the West. But yeah, I love it. I love the NBA playoffs. I'm so I'm so fully jacked in right now. And go Raptors. I have a comment saved, and I want to give this preamble before I show up because I was going to say,

one of my favorite, I kind of fell off with being a basketball fan over the last five, 10 years, basically. I casually watch, and I'll usually watch the finals because it's fun. But the shift in the game is like, I'm not saying it's bad. It's just not for me.

It's not much anymore. It's a very different game. It is less appealing to me. That's not a lot of it. it's bad now it's like it's not my thing so i fell out of fandom but one of the things that has been in the last really this year especially this season it just sort of feel like we got to the critical mass of everyone just gave up on shitting on lebron and like the the people who have done it for as a career have finally just been like look if you want to say that he's better than jordan okay

like because it's he just has the most ludicrous career ever And basically nobody does the like stupid Jordan Rings thing anymore. Like it means it. And I say all that to say except this guy. Hey, facts. Facts. It's all Gucci one. It's facts.

It is amazing. Yes. It's also amazing that Jordan doesn't have as many rings as Bill Russell. So I guess Bill Russell's better than him too. If you want to count Ray, I, I'm, you know, I'm a little bit older. So I'm a Jordan guy all the way. But I love LeBron. LeBron's one of my favorite players of all time.

I think you can make a very, very strong case that LeBron is the greatest player. ever again for me it's jordan i like i'm the neatness of it like oh he made six finals he won all six but i hate the argument that like oh because lebron lost x amount of finals that makes him worse i think that's so stupid i think that's like he made the fight like you know hardest to make the finals like he made it eight years in a row eight years in a row and they're like oh he only won three of those eight years or something i can't oh no i think during the eight years span he won the three or something correct and i'm like okay oh no he only he only he only he only he only only won three out of eight.

Like, if we're, you know, counting like, yeah, fine. That's maybe that's why I give Jordan the edge. There's also just a mystique about it. But for me, it's like almost one A and one B. I think you're so amazing. Like, that's the thing. Everybody has come to that. It's like, if you want to put LeBron, that's fine.

If you want to put Jordan, every, like nobody, most everybody has just been like, dude, I've been overwhelmed by 22 years of this shit. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's just, listen, just don't put Kobe over LeBron. Okay, that's it. Oh, okay. Now I'm brought it about moving on, moving on.

Moving on. I brought him out now. Now I'm bringing out the trolls. This isn't a real debate. Nobody, like, no genuine person believes that Christianaulin although is better than Messi. I'm not getting this. Nobody ever has, though. Like, Messi fans tried to make this a thing, but, like, no real soccer person is ever like, like, okay, Christiana is a slightly better goal score.

And Messi has everything else and almost as many goals. Brett, Brett from Nebraska, he pulled this up already. Has another question. Did you see this? Where? I can street it out. Let me, let me find it. How far back were we at?

You got to go back like 10 comments. How do you guys stay motivated? Yeah. How do you guys stay motivated to watch all these really bad fights for hours on end? That's my job. Yeah. That's like legitimately part of this. I always speak for AK.

No, you're right. If I were just a casual fan, I probably would have had the fights on tonight because I didn't have anything else going on on Saturday night. But they would have been on a second screen. Like I would have been. watching the NBA playoffs and the fights, and I would have just sort of casually kept up with it. And especially as this night went on

and the fights weren't, like, pivotly important and weren't even that fun, I would have found myself drifting much more to the playoffs or whatever else I was watching. So a large part of it is that this is my job, and I take my job seriously, and so I watch the fights. And I do get excited when there are good stuff, but sometimes, you know, there's just so much of it.

It's not always going to be winners. Yeah, a lot of what you just said, Jed. But also, like, man, there's a part of me. I still get that thrill of fight night. I don't know. Even though it's like 46 times a year now, however many weekends it is that we have to watch UFC in addition to whatever, PFL and Mr. It's boxing and all those other stuff we have to do.

I don't know. There's still the thrill of the fight. It's still crazy to me that we get to, I don't know, that we have so much. access to two human beings fighting in a cage and it's just become this accepted thing um there's a thrill when it was like an outlaw thing for sure but now there's become a normal thing in my mind there's still that disconnect between like oh wow this is like a normal spectator sport now that people talk about with the NBA and the NFL and all that like it still seems strange to me and I

guess I don't take you for granted but um I totally understand the question I don't know but I also understand the question because I had a moment I think during the second fight I think during the uh no because second fight was good um second fight was better than the first sure maybe it was during the Francis Marshall, Lucas Brennan. That fire was pretty tough. You know, I will say, even during the Victor Valenzuela and Max Griffin fight, which was fine. I had this thought of my mind like, man, if you had told me like 15 years ago, I'd be watching, I would ever see two people fight in a cage and have this, just have this feeling of like,

me, like, this is okay, whatever. I would not believe you. I'd be like, that's crazy. Like, I'll never get used to seeing two people fighting a cage. And now we've watched what? Thousands of fights now. and it feels so normal. So I don't know.

That's kind of a side thing. But yeah, I've just had that thought today. That's a really good perspective. Maybe I'll try that because I've been following this sport for 25 years, which is insane thing to say as I'm getting older. But like I remember, I remember being stoked that I could watch prelims on Facebook once upon a time. Right.

I remember having two pirate prides because there wasn't a real viable way for me to watch them or whatever. Like all the the hoops that you had to jump to watch fights. And I don't keep that in mind because I'm just it's so it's like going to a supermarket. There's that famous quote that if like if you transported somebody from the 1500s

into just like a modern day supermarket, their mind would explode because of how cool everything is like oh I just foods right there. I don't have to till a field and their spices. What sorcery is ice cream? What? That's kind of where we're out with fights and I can't keep that in perspective enough.

AK, we're going to end on this comment from our dear friend, lazy bed. And I think he sums up my feelings exactly. I wish the UFC would play a little harder to get like when we were dating. Yeah. I think that's how we all feel. That's just we'd like him to try a little bit more, you know, put on a shirt, not just not just flip channels and be like, what do you want for dinner? You know, just make a little bit of an effort.

that's how it is in entertainment in general, man. The UFC for sure. I mean, I don't know. It'll be a long time before we have to see them have to put in that kind of effort again. Maybe if somehow like MVP MMA starts stealing more headlines, but I just don't see them doing more than like two events a year. So it's something the UFC can easily just shrug off. But look at like WWE.

They're taking so much crap lately for like a lackluster WrestleMania. There was a stretch there where like their programming really picked up. I think it was as obviously AEW was starting to get prominence. And like, oh, geez, we should step up our shows a little bit. And now, of course, I mean, they were always going to be number one, but there was like a little bit of a gap closing. And then the quality of the cards of W. Miraculously got better. And then all everyone was getting better shows. Movies are like that.

Look, the first, like the first wave of popular movies, the first wave of Marvel movies. They had to try harder. They had to try harder because they hadn't established a Marvel brand. And once they established the brand, that's blackluster efforts. So that is the enforcer thing, guys. When you're on top and you get successful, yeah, you're not, you're not in the hunt anymore. You're not chasing that date anymore. You've got a ring on it.

You're married. You're settled in. it's great, but it's not, doesn't have quite the same juices as before. Not talking about my marriage, of course. Harmon, I love you. I see what you're doing. A super chat. Thank you for your generous and thank you, Harmon. We will answer this and this will be the last one as we are trying to get out of here as we've hit 45 minutes on the mark. Kind of off topic. What was your introduction to MAA as a kid? How old were you all when you knew you were going to be fully invested into this beautiful game, AK, let's start with you. Way later. Way later. I was a probably, I definitely wasn't a kid.

Yeah, I'm glad I was not a kid. Probably my 20s by the time I really started into it. There's a little bit of the, a lot of people mention this, putting the laps kind of pro wrestling fan. You kind of grow up a little bit and the product isn't just jiving with you anymore. And then you kind of hear about how UFC is becoming more accessible and your friends and your friends. And of course, what was one of the first big flights that got interested in?

Brock Lesnar and Frank Mear, obviously. So that kind of opened the door and then people started telling me, oh, there's also a great Canadian champion. I've heard of this George St. Pierre. Oh, have you heard of this guy? Hermson Silva. So I'm like a lot of people. Boom period of the,

you know, early aughts. That's where I slid right in. And I got hooked and just started watching as much as I could, going back, watching all the pride stuff, watching all this older UFC stuff. It was really fun.

Getting into Strike Force, WEC, just consuming everything. But yes, Brock Lesnar, I got to say, that's what got me into the door first. I was a little early than that,

like 03, oh, 4. Basically, right once I started high school, is when I got much more access to the internet than I'd ever had before. Like we had the internet at home, but it was dial up. And if you're on the internet, the phone line is being used.

So you're not really spending too much time. The internet was a specific resource in the house or whatever. But once we started high school, I took like a comp side class and stuff. And so then we were on the internet more and people, you know, it was the early stages of the internet. And so you started seeing things. I went to crack.com and rotten and all those sorts of things that any, you know, 13-year-old dude of that time period knows all about. In the process of that, I fights, you know, started clips of fights popping up and, you know,

Fador fighting Zulu. I think that was like 0.4, 05, something in that. Like these, these random clips of like, oh, look at Hoyce Gracie, who's a very small man and the giant fat dude he's fighting. And you see those and then suddenly it just takes you down the rabbit hole. And I think the first pay-per-view I ever watched was Hughes Trigg after the fact. I think that was the first one I got. And then not too long after I like really became aware of it and had started investing in it.

The ultimate fighter happened. And then it blew up and became super popular. And I was a forum kid and I was on the Sherdog forums and doing that whole thing. And I knew in high school, I was like, I'm probably just going to stick with this sport for a long time. It was my favorite thing to watch by far back then. And now I'm priced in. I don't even know how else I'd quit, you know, at this point, what else do I know? This is all I know.

I can't feel like a fighter. That's right, Max Rapkin, E-bombs world, that whole thing. It's sort of the early internet and there are no rules and teenage boys, will find the weirdest, most violent stuff always. And that one thing led to another. And suddenly I was watching fist fights. I think the first pay-per-view I ever watched, like it actually bought was Matt Hughes, hoist Gracie.

That's the first one I bought. Because the rest of them I was pirating or watching after the fact or very occasionally got a blockbuster, like way after the fact. When's the last time you went to a restaurant and watched a USC event? College. that happened very rarely. I did not do that. I did not ever do that a lot.

That was the jam. I mostly didn't have friends who were into it. It was my own thing. And then I had a few friends who were like super casual. And we bought, I think the last pay-per-view I watched like with a real group of friends was a, the Aldo McGregor. And that was with everybody at the gym bought that. We all got together and went out to and watch at a restaurant. And it sucked.

I hated it. And then the with my like personal friends, Shale Anderson was one that we all like went to somebody's house like 15 of us bought that. Other than that like I just watched them on my own because I mostly did not. It was not a social thing. I just want to say quickly my three best Boston, Boston pizza UFC moments.

Anderson Silva losing to Chris Wybin because I've been telling everyone Chris Vibn was going to beat him that first fight. So that was exciting for me. Alastair Overeem getting knocked out by Big. but Silva, because for some reason I hated Overeem at the time, which seems crazy. I love Overeem, but I don't know why. Just did not like him at the time. It seemed a bit arrogant.

And then I realized he's just Dutch. It's just how he is. And then, of course, Frankie Edgar, my favorite fighter of all time, Frank Eager, nearly getting killed by Gray Maynard and then coming back and just slamming him through the earth. And these are all in Boston pizzas and they got me jumping out of my seat. But yeah, that's kind of over though. I'm not going to read this comment for, I think, obvious reasons. But, yeah, I've seen a lot of totally messed up.

up things on the internet that I wouldn't see at this stage of my life now. And, you know, if I had kids, I'd be better about this. Brian Hurst, I love you. Thank you so much. We're trying to leave. Stop this game. Thank you, Brian. Brian Hurst, why do you say you're going to do on the next one,

but end up only doing like one out of every four cards? What? On to the next one only happens as a YouTube show for the pay-per-view events. It is always on our podcast network every Sunday afternoon is usually when it rolls up. But for the pay-per-view events, that is why that happens on the YouTube. So if you haven't followed along on the podcast network, we are on Spotify. We're on Apple pods, wherever you get your podcast. Search enemy fighting.com and you will get your on to the next one fixed tomorrow.

Great show. Every week. Every week. Every week. Every week. Thanks, y'all. but that music because we went so far over the time

it was a lot of it but it's worth it because we did it for y'all this was a fight card we had some fun we might have a little more fun next week it's going to be strange because it's a very growing start time as we head to Perth Australia for Jack Delamatta

Madalana versus colors protest it's a good fight card I am very excited for it until then thank you for tuning and in. A.K., thanks for joining me. On to the next one tomorrow.

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