MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 119 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Manel Kape's Revenge Knockout Of Kyoji Horiguchi

Episode Date: June 21, 2026

Manel Kape has done more than enough to earn a title shot, especially after knocking out Kyoji Horiguchi in the main event of UFC Vegas 119 on Saturday night at the Meta APEX. While Kape's next bout is likely for gold, it's now a matter of when as fans await the highly-anticipated rematch between Joshua Van and Alexandre Pantoja. Will Kape get his shot in 2026? Following the UFC's latest Fight Night event, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew react to the card, Kape's big win over Horiguchi in a comeback, and how matchups with Van and Pantoja could go. Additionally, they recap Navajo Stirling's co-main event win over Ion Cutelaba and Stirling's ceiling in the division, other standout moments on the card, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And probably is about to fight, well, I'm not going to say about to fight, but his next fight should be for the UFC flyaway title. But Minalcob's going to have to do some waiting, obviously, for the Joshua Van, Alexander Pantosia rematch winner. So it could be a minute before Medalcop fights for the belt. But that is how UFC Vegas 119 came to an end. And we're here to talk about the high. highlights, the low lights, if there were any, and it seemed like there were a couple.

But all the things that you want to talk about on tonight's post-fight show, I am Mike Hack. And joining me is the man himself, Mr. No Gray area, the one and only, Jedmishu, M.AFighting.com. 3.5 on the, the facts score, Jed, did this live up to the score? 3.5 facts given, Mike, that is, that is correct. I don't quite know that it lived up to that. It wasn't, look, I'll give a lot of credit to any card that's over by 1030, you know, like we're for, especially with what we did last week, how late we were up on that. You know, it's just been like a busy, not a busy week, but a different kind of busy.

It's like, there's the World Cup going on. So we are getting out of here relatively early, which is nice. The main event was sick. We all knew it was. I really love that fight. So I'm ending on a happy note there. The rest of this card was imminently forgettable, Mike. I think that we can just be honest and be like, yeah, any card the week after White House,

and not even a seven-day gap, right? Because White House was a Sunday. So six days after White House, you could have put UFC 300 on tonight. And that still would have felt like a downer, you know. But this card in particular was a one-fight card. That one-fight was great. Some other stuff to talk about. some other cool things happened here.

You know, it wasn't all bad, but especially the prelims. They didn't drag, but I just felt this overwhelming sense of me. As I was like, okay, that happened next one. Okay, that happened next one. You know, it still was moving at an okay pace, but we're going to forget about everything on this card except for Manel Cop, Starboy, he here. Yeah. And it was a good win for him.

I mean, it's just, we saw Leon Shabazzian fight tonight, and it was just like, what are we doing here? Like, he, I mean, luckily, it was against Levant Trekelly, who was just an absolute demon in there, and we got a sick finish. But it's just like, why is he fighting in a UFC fight in 2026? Like, what are we, like, what are we seriously doing here? It's crazy. That fight, I know that we talk about the declining stuff all the time. It's a common refrain here. And other people have said this.

And like, I've probably even said some variation of that fight just shouldn't be happening in the UFC. And all of that's true. Like, you know, I think the last time I remember doing it was there were two debuting heavyweights who were both like less than had less than five fights. Either earlier this year, maybe at the end of the last year, I don't remember. It's so forget. I was like, this is just, there's no reason for this to be here. but like this was a crystallizing fight as I watched I was like why did this happen like why why was Leon Schabesian

like that was embarrassing like that fight was embarrassing to have taken place in the UFC like that would have been slightly embarrassing for them to book that on contender series frankly but like that one was a real that left a really bad taste in my mouth despite it being over in 23 seconds That was MVP matchmaking right there, is what that was. That was as much of a squash match as you can put on paper. And again, I'm never against a good old fashioned squash match, but I mean, just sell it as such. You know, it's just you saw the two guys.

If you've watched a Kelly fight, you're just like, he is going to obliterate this guy. And boy, the rib roaster was so nasty. there's just one of those crazy things. But let's talk about Menal Cop. Oh, dude, it was a sick finish. It was a sick finish. It's just like, if he does that to me, how sick is to finish? It's just like, yeah, okay.

Like, thanks for not wasting our time at least. That's true. Manal Cop gets it done, Jed. Goes out there and finishes Kioji Horaguchi. Obviously, I've been off since Tuesday, so I did not get a chance to listen to the preview show or anything like that. that, uh,

did this surprise you? Did this fight surprise you in any way? Or was this what you expected? Uh, the fight in general is not, did not, like none of this was shocking. It,

it was just cool, right? Like, I was surprised in that it happened so suddenly. Because I, I think I ultimately picked cop, but I did not have like a massive amount of confidence. And I was like,

I'm rooting for Kioji. It'd be really cool. And do 10 minutes. Kioji, was dealing. Like it was just an almost perfect performance from, I should through 12 minutes or whatever it was he was dealing. And so I was a little bit surprised at how light work, Keoggi was making it look, not that cop was like totally out of his depth, but Keoggi was just very clearly won two steps ahead of cop for the entire fight. And I was like, man, that's awesome. So I was

then surprised like, I was doing the live blog and I was in the middle of typing the sentence, Kiyoji Horaguchi is pitching a perfect game when suddenly he gets a little comes in a little wild Kopp hits that slip and then Kioji's just right here and he boops him and that set it up and that's the end and so like because immediately before that you know Kopp had built

had nothing going for him was kind of limping after getting a low like an inside low kick checked I was like man Kioji just is firing on all cylinders So how quickly it turned. If you told me that before the fight, I wouldn't be surprised. Like, yeah, it's Minot Kopp. He pops you.

He's got the boop. You know, like if he hits you, it can be bad. But because all the momentum was one way and it shifted so violently so quick, that did catch me off car, which made it cool, made it like super awesome how it happened. But big picture, like, this is how Minow Kopp wins. You know, like he has the boop in him. And not everybody especially at Flyway does. OG just got a lot over his skis and that was it.

Yeah, I mean, it was, here are my big takeaways. One, as you very well know, Jed, and anyone who's been with them a fight since I've been there, nobody on planet Earth was more excited about Minnell Cop coming to the UFC than myself and E. Casey Liden. This is very, it was true. I was going back. The two of you, there were seats. What, go back to the, what the heck archives. Episode three of what the heck in 2020,

Menel Cop was like the featured guest and we were so pumped to have him on the show. It was like, I think three or four days after his UFC signing was official. And Casey and I were just geeking out talking to him because he's so cool. And then, you know, he had kind of a tough start and wasn't really, I mean, he was getting some finishes against sort of lower level guys at the time. But when he was fighting like upper echelon guys,

he just like wasn't himself and then he was making excuses oh my feet aren't used to the mat and it was just like all things you don't want to hear from a guy like that and then he just the tampa fight happened was it bruno silver that he fought and he just dunked on his ass he was talking shit he was dancing around he was having all sorts of fun and i was just like holy shit he's back like this is the guy we've seen him ever since and i was pumped to see that him going out there and beating horridu is a big deal my big takeaway jed he better pray joshua van beats alexander pantosia because if pants beats him if pants regains that belt man al is in big trouble because pants while he's durable and he's willing to take some risk on the feet he's also

one of the most cerebral fighters on on planet earth and i feel like after sharing 15 old like minutes back in the day with manel and beating him on probably a c minus game all he's just got to tackle this dude five times and he wins and i know there's risk that comes with that but pants like never gets hurt you can't hurt the man he unless he hurts himself really or gets toppled over by joshua van like my biggest takeaway is like man if you just tackle manel cop like you're probably going to beat him but he does have that boop in him in 25 minutes with a guy like that, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, perrera-ish in, in a lot of ways, right? Where it's just like, man, 25 minutes just seems like a really long time to not get booped.

But I just feel like Panto is a really bad matchup for cop. And if he fights Van, like, Van is just so skilled and so nasty that I think he could still beat cop in a stand-up fight. But like, his obviously shortest resistance to victory is just tackling him. And that's not really a thing Van does. But there's just such a glare. hole in his game that like it hasn't really mattered because he's just not fighting guys with that sort of ability right now. I mean, we saw the Mejahia fight and that was just awful.

But that was like one of my bigger takeaways. Like this dude needs to fight for the belt, but it needs to be Joshua Van. That's going to be super fun. But I think Pantosha has a really good night against him. Yeah. So I will caveat it very, very slightly in that I am maybe not concerned, but I do wonder how long the magic carpet ride for Pantosia can go because he has been entire career he has been monstrously

durable he has been finished one time and it was when he posted on an arm you know like that's man is incredibly durable but he does get like he's he's far more hitable than Josh Van and so I like I would favor Pantosia to beat cap but like he gets hit enough

And if there's enough boop in there and maybe pants has just been hit one too many times, every chin fails eventually. Like no chin stays unblemished forever. It doesn't happen. So he is not incapable of winning that fight. I do think he, you know,

in like a very broad sense, obviously cap, you know, cop against Van. We know Van can be knocked out. And Van would probably engage in the sort of fight that cop would want most. So that'd probably be a better fight for him. But man, Van has just looked like he's every fight out,

he's ascending so much. And I also think that would be tough in a different way. I think that to retire is like the worst person that cop could be forced to fight next. I think that fight would go exceptionally poorly for him. But I mostly think he doesn't care as long as he gets to fight next, you know, like he's this fight. I don't think he needed to do. Like he shouldn't have needed to do,

but the situation got so murky. And so whoever it is, I just want this dude to get his day in court. And I think that he should feel that he is at least alive against anybody in this weight class. And so maybe it'd be better for Van, like stylistically. But I think they're both hard fights. But this dude has been winning hard fights very consistently

for the last four or five years at this point. His next fight has to be for the belt. He should have been fighting for the belt a while ago. But again, you know, availability is your best ability. And sometimes in certain divisions, there are certain times where, like, you just have to be available. Like he, that first international fight week against Brandon Royval, him not being available, flip the division upside down. Josh Van just fought earlier that month. And he stepped in and won the fight of the year against this dude.

And now he's the champion of the world with the title defense. and Monell Cop has had to sit back and watch this all happen, which is wild, which is crazy. Like, where would this division be if Bidl cop made it to that fight? Who the hell knows? Truly, who the hell knows? We could be talking about Joshua Van right now. Like, when is Josh Van going to get his day in court? But the phone rang, Josh answered.

Didn't matter six days, 21 days, a month, three months. Josh has been there. And we'll see. I think it's going to be a year before Midal Cop gets his shot. And you think that long? Because I don't know, like, like the calendar is filling up, Jed. Like, we are filling up here. I mean, we're going to do with this in.

I think Dobby. Are we going to do this in MSG? I think Pantson Van will fight in October. September, October, right? Like. I mean, if we do two pay-per-views in October. That's a flyweight. They don't necessarily have to do a pay-per-view for a flyweight title fight.

I think that that is one that they could I mean here's what they'll do when so it'll be October because October this is not inside information but just looking at it like October seems like when we're going to be doing Peyoteerian Marab 3 Pants and Van 2 will be the co-main event we'll just restack whatever

that was 3 yeah well that was what UFC 310 or I don't remember what the number was where it was Rob Yon and Pants Van We'll just do that whole event again. 323. 323 will just be UFC Abu Dhabi 331 or whatever. And then maybe it's January, but like, Van Fault, what, four times last year?

Like, he's young, he seems ready to scrap. I think it could happen by the end of the year, but we're probably looking at early 2027, which still is a long layoff, but it's not like next summer. If it was next summer, that's a, man, that would really suck for cop. Yeah, and again, that's another reason why, like, he needs Van. Because Van will turn around in, like, the first quarter of 2027. Pants will just take a sweet-ass time, man.

Because, like, pants would be fighting in, yeah, maybe, like, second quarter of 2027, probably for pants, yeah. So, I mean, who knows? Like, there was obviously, like, early indicators that, like, pants could come back sooner than people thought. But, like, dude, that was a gnarly injury. Like, we don't know. He's a pretty mysterious cat.

I'm assuming it's okay. because of the stuff that was like he was he was not ready to make the wait at the time frame for when van tyra happened but like he was sort of interested in it so if he was like that was a couple months ago by October he'll be ready and maybe maybe he won't be ready but also maybe he's just crazy person wants to fight like i think that i think that is going to happen in october that's where i'm feeling right now yeah and that's that'd be fine maybe maybe Maybe September it's possible. I don't know.

Who knows what September is looking like? You would think that maybe we get Justin Gagee Armand-Serukin at some point this year. But Gordon- Oh, that's not happening this year. Justin Gage said specifically he's not fighting this year again. Yeah. I mean, he did say that he is open to fighting Arm and Sarukin. Yeah.

But like he's not fighting this year. I mean, we'll see. It's a lot of money in that fight for him. A lot of money. I mean, if they open the checkbook, he will, of course, fight. but like hearing him speak all like I've listened to several of his various interviews and it's just like dude I've fought twice this year you've seen the way I fight I'm not a guy who fights three times in a year like yeah that's right honestly Justin hard to argue that point you make a really good argument there

Justin he should just retire right no I think because of the money into that I think he personally I want him to fight surukin one I will be picking Armin should that fight keep booked, of course. Justin Gagee has won almost every fight in the UFC. He's been an underdog, and he's won a vast majority of those, including beating Ilya, who I thought was about as bad a style matchup as could happen for him. So I won't say he can't beat Armand. Like, he stuffs some takedowns.

He drags Armand into a brutal thing. And two, like, it would be better for, I think it's better when the belt changes hands in the cage and not, you know, there was that. that graphic that came out that until Justin, a lightweight champion, had not won the belt in, like, over a guy in the cage in 10 years. So I think it's better. And for Justin, like, he can get more money. So he should do it for the money aspect.

But, like, if you were purely looking at going out on a Kostanzi in this, there will never be a bigger Kastanza opportunity. That's in literally the history of the sport. There will never be a time that is more like go out on top than that one. ever he should have like he would rogan just asked him the first question you should just been like that's it for me guys and walked out of the octagon with the two bells see you guys next week tip your service like what it's so sick and great we get yes like if he ends up he's spoken that he's not going to if he somehow changed mind does it there's not a human being alive who'd

be like bad call as a bad choice everyone be like get it we get it man you did the thing buddy good good for you. You did it. Be a terrific retirement. At the White House, it would genuinely be the best retirement in the history of the sport. It would not be close. Yeah. Greatest moment in the history of the sport.

One of the greatest upsets in the history of the sport, if not the greatest upset in the history of the sport. I have come around. It is, I think it is the second greatest upset in the history of MMA. I still think you like, because Sarah GSP is so, like it's so beyond reasonable that it happened.

and it aged well. Like, it's not like after that upset happened, Sarah went on to win a whole lot of fights over great dudes and GSP sucked. You're like, okay. Like, it's not like how Holly Home, well, Holly Home kept winning and Rhonda never won again. So that, like, that lost a little bit of shine.

Gachi is like, there's, it's the biggest, see, like, everybody alive saw it. And it is impossible that it happened. The narrative, it's so big. So like if he walked away, it would be the greatest retirement. Nobody could ever come close to that retirement in the history of the sport. Yeah. Well, great win from an all cop.

We'll see. Great win for cop, man. Great win. He should be fighting for a belt next. You know, maybe he's the backup. You know, pants can't go. He steps in. If I'm cop, I'm just getting, I'm taking a couple days off and I'm getting right back in the gym.

And if that phone rings, there is no hesitation. You say yes and you go fight for the belt. Even if it's in three weeks, you go and you fight for the gym. that title. First opportunity that comes your way. Support for this show comes from Fetch Pet Insurance. Do you have a pet? Every six seconds, a pet owner in the U.S. gets hit with a vet bill of over $1,000. And it's almost always an unwelcome surprise. That's where Fetch Pet Insurance comes in. Fetch is the most complete pet insurance. Get paid back up to 90% of vet bills. You can use any vet in the U.S. and Canada.

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Navajo Sterling improves to 10-0. He gets the win over E-W-O-Cuchelaba. What a weird ending to that fight. I don't even know what happened. Kuchelaba just fell on his... ass and then just stopped defending himself. I think he gave up and that feels mean to say but it feels like

he gave that up like he in like because it's the only thing that makes sense like he you know he'd eaten some shots he'd ate a couple to the body that I that looked like pretty nasty from Navajo and then he's just sitting there

and Navo standing over him and it just it felt like he was like if I move I'm going to get hit more and I don't want to get hit more Like he's like, because here, I'm not getting hit. And he, at one point, did seem to be having a conversation with, was Carrie Hatley, the ref? I don't remember who the ref was. Yeah, I think it was him.

I think it was. But like he, they cut to like the back angle and he looks like he's covering up and talking to Carrie Hatley. Like, he's not eating hard shots. Like, he just looked like he didn't want, he didn't want to do it anymore. But he was like, if I move from here, I'm going to get punched and I want to do that. I'm just going to sit here, which is not how the game works. So it was very, very strange.

one of the stranger outcomes I've seen. Is Navajo Sterling good? I don't, I don't, I don't know. That question. Everybody alive is asked, is like, is he good? He keeps not losing. Yeah, I mean, but is he good? I thought Kujilab was going to win.

Like, I was like, all right, Ewan's going to get him. This is going to be like, this is going to be like the turning point fight for Navajo. He's going to lose. He's going to have a, the O is going to be off of his record. And then, like, how to. does he bounce back? Do they do the bow nickel thing? Would they just sort of give him the worst dude in the division after this? Or a guy that's like so far on the downside, but people know who he is.

But he goes out there and gets the win. Like I don't know what to do with him right now. Like I don't know who to match up, match him up with. Like, do we give him like, like he might just go out there and he might just go out there and lose to Alonzo Menefield. Like I don't know. I think if I'm. I think he'd beat Menefield.

but he could. He could lose to him. So there are reports that Johnny Walker needs a new opponent for the, for the Belgrade card. He should absolutely jump into that fight. Johnny Walker's up at heavyweight now, though. Oh, that's right. So, yeah, I assume that that fights a heavyweight because he's, he's,

I'll do that too. Heavyweight. Do that too. Heavyweight's bad. I mean, that it is also bad. This is true. I forgot that he moved up. Oh, God.

They're going to give him Dominic Reyes, aren't they? I think he's going to get Minifield. I think I think Navajo is going to get Minifield. And I think that that fight makes sense because like that's Minifield's job now. He's like he just came off the Ming-Ing-Zang one. Like his job is like they're never going to be like,

Ardalenzo, let's make a run. Like your job is to literally hold the gate at 15. You are number 15. You hold the line. If someone can beat you, they can take it. And if they can't, they stay outside of the, numbers and so I think uh that would be fun I would not be opposed to that at all but davos sterling versus r d are and yeah i actually i actually like that idea i wouldn't hate that

all that would be fine i think navvo sterling is a light heavyweight is the answer to the thing where he has some ability he is a physical like a physically capable fighter at this point he has a good camp behind him he doesn't have like any a plus trait which is a huge downer in like in the sport but he's in such a bad weight class that it doesn't totally matter and so like he i think he's probably a top 15 light heavyweight i don't think he's a top 10 yet he can still get better he's young enough but i think he is probably a top 15 fighter in a bad weight class okay well he won um there were a lot of finishes it was weird he it was weird because the entire fight he looked like he was losing and then he just won but there wasn't

like the Menel cop moment of, oh, that's why you won. It was the same sudden change of events, but we didn't see the inciting incident that triggered it. It was just like, oh, I guess you won. Okay. All right. That was it.

That was the fight. Shout to Christian Rodriguez gets the finish. Hyder Emile is just officially cooked, cooked. He was super fun when he came when he got into the UFC. But sometimes in your super fun and you get hit a whole bunch, that just kind of, takes years off your fighting life and

uh, Hyder just can't take a shot anymore. And good on Christian Rodriguez. Like I know that guy has been through a lot losing Duke Rufus and, you know, having to switch and now he's over with, with Nixick and stuff.

And he looked really good in this fight and, uh, nasty stuff. Nice head kick. Nailed it. And then, uh, with the gilly gets the finish. A good win for him.

The MVP, Jed, of this event to me, uh, was Mertazali Mugamatov. This dude is such a savage. I knew he would go out there and finish Melsik. I didn't think we'd see a modified twister. It was that a Scottish twister?

Like, or Scottish twister, yeah. I mean, like, Modavad Famba, like Scottish twister is the thing. That was just some nasty shit right there. Dude, this guy is great. Featherweight on fire right now. And I can't wait to see where this guy goes, man. He was my MVP. He was so good.

I love this guy. He's great. I mean, if cops not the MVP, he is, right? For sure. I was super on him coming off contender series. When we talked about on the preview show, I was like, yeah, this guy's awesome. He's 10 and 0 all finishes. I guess now he's 11 and all I think.

I think that was, this was an 11th fight, all finishes. Subs and knockouts. Like, he is, he's just, he's gas, man. He's super, super good. And like I think he is like looking at him compete. I'm like that's a dude who can fight for a belt one day. You know, he's still got to get better. He's got to improve time over time.

But like that was a guy coming off contingency. He was like he can fight for a belt one day. That's very much in his range of outcomes. And this was a terrific debut, you know. Murder, Murder, Murder, Salie, baby. Let's go. Like that dude's going to be super good for, and super fun too. Not just like good and boring.

He is good and he finishes every, he's like a baby Shavcott. It's awesome. Yep. And he's got an extra $100,000. As expected. Oh, did he? Oh, nice. Yes, got a bonus.

Minal Cop got a bonus. Fight of the night, I think it's pretty, pretty obvious. This is very, very fun until. Luana Santos, Carol Hosa. Was that, did I get it wrong? You got it wrong. Damn it. It is.

Vinich Sol. Alvira Andre Feeley got fight of the night, which makes a lot of sense. Because Andre Filii looks like he might get a little rib-roaster finish there. I felt like he might let one off the hook there. Yeah, but man, Venetius went ham in round two. And I remember typing in our Slack chat, I'm like, boy, you better get him out of there because he's going to be wrecked heading into round three against a real dangerous dude and a slick veteran.

But Venetius gets the job done. and Herb Dean, not great. Once again, Philly, back of his head was bleeding at the end of it due to some illegal shots. And yeah, Herb Dean, just not having a great week, Jed. It's not having a great week. What should, by the way, I'll let you have this. What should Venetius Oliver do in the aftermath of this? Oh, I mean.

Or Andre Fili, excuse me. I would say, Venetio is not the right answer here. Andre Feeley. Which is your feeling? Like, let Loebuck Dog almost kill this man. Like, and I think, I genuinely believe that I might be the most tolerating of almost anybody in MMA media of, like, letting a fight go on. Like, I am pretty open to letting a dude get the absolute shit kicked out of him longer than most are. And at that one, I was like, dude, Herb, what?

Because, like, the unwritten rule that always happens is the guy's getting bombed on on the fence. you jump in once he goes to the ground. Once he just sort of tips over. You're like, all right, that's it. And Herb just sat there and looked at Andre Feely, go down to the ground and looked at him, bomb on him a couple more times. It was like, I guess I'll casually move in. Herb was on one.

I don't know. And yeah, Andre Feely should do a full media blitz and be like, I got hit in the back of the head. Let us, let me explain to you the dangers of fist fighting and why this is terrible, because that's very, vogue right now. Yeah. Just kind of part of the event.

I got to tell you, I know Herb Dean's going to drop the video being like, here's why I didn't stop it earlier and why every shot that was let thrown was 100% legal. Because that's what Herb's about these days. Are we ready for the Andre Feely Medi tour? Yes. Absolutely. Maybe you should appeal to. Why not?

Something tells the Andrefili is not going to go. go down that road. He's just going to take it on the chin and move and live to fight another day. You know what I mean? As most fighters do in that situation, Kevin Borjas with a nice upset win over Andre Lima, be a mosquito. Got dinged up, got hurt a little bit by Melissa Mullins. And then some of the worst fight IQ in the history of the UFC took place after that. Melissa Malins just decided, let's stay on the ground with probably the best jihadist jihad practitioner in the entire division. I was pretty bad.

Almost cut her arm right off. Look, in the, in the history of bad fight IQ, that was pretty up there. It's pretty up there, man. This is not a great, not great decision making. Dude, when the, when the commentary is like, I think she should separate and she just keeps not doing it. I was like, even if she didn't immediately get armed, which she obviously did, like, it's still a really bad outcome where it's just like, you understand that on the feet, you jawed

her like four times and sent her into like she was to hurt her stand up and try and do that again and instead she got tapped like a minute later it was it was awful yeah really bad but be it went through some adversity and gets the win yeah call out ileine prez i'm shooting way higher than that and on onto the next one and oh i think iileen prez is a great call out especially it's a great call out It was a good callout too. This is not a place to shake your ass. I will beat your ass. All right, I don't need any more.

You've done it. You sold that well. It's a very good call out. I think she should be fighting a top three opponent. Like, let's just push her to the moon, man. Like, we got to get her in. She's the most interesting thing in this division right now, outside of Amanda Nunes and Kayla Harrison.

Like, she is the most interesting thing, most interesting fighter in a division that might go away once Kayla retires. Luana Santos is livid right now. I'm sorry, Luana. I'm sorry. 32 and 3027 on Carolosa. That's very good. Good for her.

Yeah. Shout out to New England's old Mitch Raposo. Two-fight win streak in the UFC pulls off another upset win, beats Alana Cemento, Splitty City. It's pretty clear Raposo, 129, 28, but Nassimento drops Raposo in the third, but Mitch gets through it. and yeah, then what a wide range of callout. Did you hear the callout?

No, I was not paying. I was writing something. He said, he even had a date in mind, Noche UFC. He called out Edgar Chires and Brandon or Brandon Moreno for that event. I mean, he just, so that's a, I want to fight on Noche, give me one of the Mexican stars that would be there.

Feels like, feels like Brandon Moreno is not the one you're going to get. so maybe focus on Chiris. Oh, dude, Marino's, how many is Marino lost in a row now? I think it's only two in a row, but he's looked quite poor. Yeah. That would be a nice get-back fight for him, but. Yeah, good win for Mitch, though.

I was. Gaston Bolognaz gets the winner over Michael Azul Juno. That was pretty fun fight. I thought Azul won, but obviously, yeah. Got some blood early and it was back and forth. First round was really close. I thought As well in the first round, but. third round was was super fun second there's a really good fight uh we talked about levan cho kelly

uh luana santos wins and shame collins wins his debut he'll be the uh the trivia question of the night who did shame collins beat in his ufc debut at the apex uh altari tens of tensel ovi there you go write that down i know she'lls look quite good i know he uh he used to train with our old friend, Casey Leiden. I'd heard about him a little bit. I'd never seen him fight before, but I was interested because he's got like, he's got the hallmarks of somebody who might be okay.

You know, like he's undefeated, young. You look at his resume. It's not decent guys. Let's say he had beaten some real opponents, right? Like not total walkovers. And, yeah, I thought he looked good, man. Like, he's like a legitimate prospect. So good to see him.

Yeah, I thought it was, I think he got a, 30 27, which I didn't agree with, but I thought he clearly won two rounds. He got three 30-27s. Yeah, I didn't agree with that. I, yes, I think if you squint your eyes, you can probably give them all three rounds, but I think 29-28's more appropriate for all three judges to give it a clean sweep. I'm, it was like, interesting, but also when they said 30-27, I was like, well, he definitely won.

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Who had the big stock rising and the big stock fall tonight? I think the big stock rising is Martizali Magamadov. Hell yeah. Because I think that just like the most people are going to take away from this, like that dude twistered a guy. And like if you're a very low level fan, you know, like you're just not like deep in the weeds. That guy's name is Magamadov. Like, that's a Russian dude with the name that's pretty tough to pronounce,

and he just beat the crap out of a dude very quickly, and he's undefeated. Like, everybody who doesn't know anything about fighting would be like, but, like, knows and be like, that guy's probably really good based on those very, like, generic facts about him. And so now you're going to be looking out for him. And, like, cop didn't have that much to rise, even with the win. So I'll say, biggest riser is murder is Ler and Megamadov.

Biggest faller. that's a little trickier probably probably Gooch just because it's probably it probably ends it probably ends Gucci's option like his potential

to fight for the belt again which is tough that's a totally reasonable like loss to have and he still looks good but he's has a smaller margin for error

maybe it's Kutalaba because like that was such a weird win but how high was he on the mountain anyway you know I think I'll go Gooch but I'm not

confident in that choice. I'll probably go. I mean, those are all good choices. I think I'll go Nassimento, man. Like, I just, the guy was on a four-fight win streak. He was trying to fight and claw

and scratch to get into the top 15. And he was like, I'm going to be in the top 15 after this one. I can't be denied. Well, you can't be denied by Mitch Raposo because he went out there and beat you. So I think, uh,

I don't think he's, getting ranked anytime soon and that kind of takes a lot of big fight options off the table which is unfortunate because dude's like he's a huge flyweight like he was so much bigger than riposo in there so much bigger man uh and you should have thought Kevin borhoss who was not a flyweight yes maybe uh maybe that's something we could do she just done a little swap room like yeah but yeah there wasn't i mean don't stock like Andre lemma maybe i mean he was like a mega favorite in this And that was his first loss. The other guy was thinking.

But like, it's his first loss, it's bad, but also his opponent missed weight. And like, he's young enough that I, this does feel a little bit like the culmination of some underwhelming that he had happened in the last couple of fights.

But I just, if your opponent misses weight by a lot in which Borjas did, I'm just not going to totally be like, you had the worst day out there. It's like, yeah. is yeah like a little bit screwed in here somewhere yeah let's see lazy you always worry how bjj practitioners react

getting hurt and and bia took it like a champ uh armand i did not love the way she took the punch but the fact that when she was hurt she immediately went to her like tried to get to her bread and butter cleared her head and then got back on the offense so that was good uh if amanda nunez sticks around like if she beats kailen hangs around BMI die. So she got to tighten that up.

She got to fix that real fast. Hermann, they finally announced DDP versus Kabara Usen for Ousman for OokC. Worst kept secret, it seems. Yeah, it's official, finally. I think we had that written like a month ago.

Yeah, we've been talking about this fight for, I mean, for probably two months, right? Before 328. I genuinely believe that that has been sitting in our system being like waiting to Bub for over a month.

I think it was the beginning. I think it was like the beginning of May. We wrote that. Just like, all right, well. It's like, what are we doing here? I don't know what took them so long to get it done. It also, I think maybe because it was so everybody knew it, the reaction I saw was very like, eh.

And I think maybe it would have been eh anyway because the fight is strange, but especially when it's strange and everybody kind of knew it was happening, it's a weird one. It's a weird one. my favorite my favorite thing was the commentators acting so surprised

what oh I'm going I can't believe this we were wondering when Drick's Duplice would come back and when he did come back who would his opponent be

I can't believe it's Kamara Usman I have to go to Oklahoma City now I have to book my tickets now I'm going I wasn't gonna go but now I'm going because I know it's DDP

versus Kamara Usman and they act so surprised and the rest of us were just like yeah we've known this for two months and so of you you knew this was coming but a plus performances by the by the commentary team and shout out to dan hellie who uh just i like dan he's just he's fun he's a pro out there and uh tried to sell this thing as best he could but but good autumn good autumn but yes that fight uh july 18th oklahoma city you finally have your main event which you already knew about anyways but there you have it. Do we have anything else on that card right now?

Yeah, there's a whole bunch for that car. Let's say I'm going to pull it up. I just don't know what I have off the top of my hat. Jacoby Smith versus Kevin Holland is on that card. Oh, this is the Canineer CLD card. Okay, yeah, I have looked at this card. Because we were trying to figure out like what the main event could be. And we're really sure. This is the Tommy McBillan. Let's throw them in there with the 70s. first ranked dude in the UFC card. Fatima Klein, Jed is fighting on this card against Tabitha Ritchie. But the real main event, Jed, before he gets to Duke Bad Duck's question is it's not

DDB versus Kamar Usman. It's not it's not Tabit the Ritchie versus Fatima Klein. It's not Jacobi Smith and Kevin Holland. It is the long-awaited return of Alvin Hines. He is back from his. steroid suspension. This man did not lie about it at all. He's just like, yeah, man, took all the gas. And then I got called by the UFC. I was just like, yeah, I mean, I got the UFC call so I thought I could sneak it in there. I wasn't going to say no to an

opportunity, but I was gas gassed. And now he served his time and now he's going to fight Alan Fry Jr. on this card. So let's go. O. Casey, shape it up to be a fun, a fun ass time on July 18. I think a lot of these fights look fun, but are not significant, if that makes sense. Yeah. Probably a good time. Several prospects I'm interested in on it, but yeah. Yeah. Led Boys Niani is fighting.

Austin Bashi Jose Delgado's fun. Yeah, it's a, it's an apex card out of the apex with a pretty solid main car. We do have Brad Tavares, Mark Andre, Barry on this card. Like, I mean, there's a lot happening with, with the apex. okay, Sikar, that is for sure. What else we have here? We talked about that already. Is Ilya better off going back down to featherweight?

I would love to watch Bovzar against him one day. Yeah, so would Jed and I. We were very excited about that fight after Ilya knocked out Max Holloway, but I don't think. I think I think I would win that fight, but I thought Ilya was going to be Justin Gaci. I wish he had stuck around at featherweight, honestly, especially because, like, I've tried really hard not to take victory laps because I don't think of it's, like, necessary. But, like, this was my, this is part of the whole, like, stop forcing double things because we did this. And, like, he, he won, you know, he won the belt and that's cool. We were just trying to rush to get to him versus Islam.

It's like, what if instead, like, I kind of think everybody would be a lot cooler if right now, the last. you know, the last two years had played out that Armin was the lightweight champion. Islam had gone up to Walter Waite. Ilya had beaten Volk again, had beaten Mavsar, was about to fight Diego Lopez. And then you're like, oh shit, if he beats Lopez, now he doesn't have anybody,

you know, there are people he could fight. There's always newcomers, but now he's put together a real title run and he can go up and fight Armin at lightweight instead of just trying to have our fucking dessert right now. and hoping and then it's just like this is where we're at now because he's probably not going back to featherweight he looked big like geichi is much taller and bigger than him but like he looked like a big dude in that fight i don't know that he can drop to 145 now and i think like i've said this many times i think he's going to end up getting the lightweight belt back i do think that that is is in play for him that he will get better from this but i wish we weren't you know this is like a truism of life like good things come to those who wait.

Like, things are worth waiting for and taking time. And we just wanted to rush this so quickly. And it's like, I think it would have been way cooler to have featherweight for a while. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Because I don't think we're going to, I just don't think we're going to have really around much longer anyways. So let's keep my 55. I think this is going to change that. Really?

I think it's just going to get him out a little sooner, honestly. No, because I think he was too high on the hog. He's like, I'm going to run through this. and then leave and cash out on top. And now he's like, oh shit, I'm not the greatest thing that ever happened. I am a mortal man.

And like I said, I think he's going to be a much better fighter. But I think this is going to prolong his career in MMA considerably. I don't know. Because I think once he gets the bell back, he's just going to be like, okay, I've gotten it back.

Now I can go again. Like he, but let me tell you. She sticks around for a long time and like they give him the opportunity. That's not going to end up happening. Exactly. So like what's what's the point of prolonging this if you can't get back the one loss of your career? Keep fighting.

Do you're a fighter. You want to make money? Be a fighter, you know? Who's he going to fight? I would very much like to see Iliate Tuporia fight Diego Lopez. That'd be very fun. And like it would have been a lot cooler if that was for a featherweight belt at some point. But if Diego is coming up to 155 and they don't do Teporea Connor, which I think is very much in play.

Me too. I think, uh, you do, you do Diego, Ilya. at 155 at the end of this year or next year probably next year i think it might need to take the rest of the year off after that fucking kicking but yeah yeah like that fight again there were there was a lot of really fun stuff from it featherweight that we just didn't get and you know god god diego 55 is going to be the best yeah he's gonna be psychopaths can be just like just like just like just like just look at who you could throw him in there with like right now like you're gonna have to bottom end top 15 him.

But still, like, the 15th ranked dude is Manuel Torres. Like, that fight rules. Put him in there against Michael Chandler. Let's do it. Oh, God. The now unranked Michael Chandler. Tom Nolan would be really fun with Diego. Darius, I mean, I could see them doing that because, like, him and Killin.

They won't do that. Like, him and Fizzie would be fun. Him and Dan Hooker would be crazy. Like, there's just so much fun we can have with Diego Lopez at one. 55 and he could just crawl his way up this division just having sick ass fights love that idea so that'll be very fun to watch uh cause of either you all watch the gaichi whitman interview on rogan actually a lot of good quotes thoughts i did not see any of the women piece i've seen like oh that's untrue i saw a clip of whitman talking about the gloves uh i was trying to watch some

of that tonight but then i had to do five of the work things and so So, like, I just, at some point, I'll catch a lot of it, maybe tomorrow or whatever, but. I think we all saw, like, the best parts. I saw, I saw several of the Gaichi stuff, though most of that was functionally rehashed from, like, other interviews he's given. I only saw the one Whitman part. I don't know if Whitman had other things beyond talking about the gloves, which may or may not be true. Yeah, I did like the, I like the Tony Ferguson comparison. That was kind of fast.

What was that one? So he's basically like, Brogan was like, you know, Ily is young. He can bounce back from this. And Gaiti was like, yeah, I hope he can bounce back from that. He goes, but here's the thing, though. With Tony Ferguson, like, it was, and I'm paraphrasing this, it wasn't like, Tony was the guy that, you know, Tony had the persona of like,

you can't run him over. You can't get through him. You can't push him around. Like, it's so hard to get him out of there. He goes, but I went out there and just, just like beat his ass. And not only did I like beat him and win the fight, I took that allure from him that he is unbeatable,

that he is the boogeyman. And now like anybody who fights him because I beat him and beat him the way in which I did so, now no one's afraid to fight him anymore. And like that was the allure on Iliate's poor. This guy is the best. He cannot be beaten. And I just went out there and beat the shit out of this guy.

And now like no one's going to be afraid to fight him anymore because they know he's a human and he can lose, a fight. Which I thought was kind of an interesting. And even Rogue was like, yeah, that's like an interesting way to look at it. And I was like, that is kind of interesting. But like, it's a little too. And obviously the Ferguson thing rang true because he never won another MMA fight and got,

wasn't even competitive in any other MMA fight ever again. And it's obviously too soon to tell with Ilya. But who knows? I mean, Gachie's obviously done that and taken years off people's career. years. Dude, there was a stretch where every dude, because I wrote about it on like a mailbag once, or I was like, if you fight Justin Gaci, your career is over. Because there was a stretch where it was like, after they fought him, Tony Ferguson never

want to fight again. Who's the big, tall, doofist that Justin murdered? James Vic. James Vic, like, never looked good again. It's just like, Justin Gagie has just murders careers. And that fell off a little bit. but like it also makes sense because he does the way he fights is halacious like you are it's like you're fighting a fucking bear so um maybe not a bear habib's more like fighting a bear

justing gaity is like fighting a bobcat so it's just like yeah that would take a lot it's not the worst comparison it it's a little like i don't feel that tony ferguson had that aura but maybe that's because i was always like i think tony's high rolling and not as good as people think he is. But like, there's absolutely a question of how, how Ilya comes back from this because the, the aura has been removed in the same way the Hamzat's aura is now gone. And it's just like, who's, how will people fight them moving forward if you're no longer like terrified of the boomstick or whatever?

So I think that's true. But like, to me, this is, this is Nate Connor. That's what I, that's what I said almost immediately. that I've been just like this is the same fight as Nate Connor and you know Connor just didn't change who he was after the fight and so guys who he could beat with his same style worked I think I think his return is going to be different but if it's not then yeah at Gase he's 100% right if he comes back doing the same thing he'll win some fights and he'll lose plenty of fights if he doesn't adjust off of this yeah the thing that annoyed me the most is just

like one of the things that annoys me about like this era of the sport in like the social media world of it is rogan was asking him about he goes you know the fans are saying like you you stuffed your gloves full of rocks dude that is the funniest thing and i was like what i've said that i never did you not see that no oh my god one time that's because you so you because you had to go pick up your wife you didn't get to be part of the post show it started in the middle of the fight like very little and then it it didn't did not gain the same sort of traction as some of the other like things have happened and certainly the elbows to the back of the head from gone but there was like a small segment of people who were like

Justin Gaichi keeps adjusting his gloves mid fight which literally go and watch any Justin Gate it is his tick in the same way that like some fighters like push their hair back like Volkov when he's brushing his hair constantly yeah you do like his tick is to F with his gloves but there were people like he keeps adjusting his gloves, something must be fishy about them. It's like, it's no. You got like, you guys, he's hitting him really hard. It's like, yes, literally watch any interview with any fighter who's ever fought Justin Gaichi. They all say to a man, one of, if not the hardest punchers I've ever fought. Every single one of them says that. Yeah. And then Trevor Webber was saying, like, the UFC did a test. And, like, Justin has, like, the hardest bonus. And, like, the hardest bone

structure. Oh, I 100% believe that he's got like dinser hands than other people because yes. Like, again, I'm not, this is not me riffing. Go watch any interview with any fighters ever fought him. Habib, like, Habib one was asked like, who's the toughest dude? Like, who's the hardest guy

ever hit? He went on for like a minute and a half by Justin Gagey hits so much harder than everybody else. It's not fair. Like, everything he hits hurts so bad. It's like, that dude, he cracks. Like, he thumps in a way that is hard to register unless you're

Ilya Tuprius face and then it registers all over it. I mean, we'll touch on this real quick. Do you get a couple questions? Do you think Charles Armin is a BMF title fight? No, because any right now, anything involving Charles and the BMF title does not feel like a BMF title fight. That's just the fight with Max. I mean, that's just the perception of the belt and what that title means and what that

fight looked like. That's just it. So if those two dudes fight again, it's going to be for an interim belt or some sort of vacant title. Like there's just no need to just throw those dudes in there right now for a fight. There's just really no need. They might just do it. I firmly agree.

Armin like can just wrestle for RAF until he fights for the belt and he'll be totally happy with that. But Dougal also asked, did you see Ronda's tweet towards Hunter? Sure did. I wrote that up. That did. I don't know if you've checked our. I saw as big numbers. It did a big, because I was debating.

I was like, should we, should even write this up? It's like, it's literally a five-word tweet and that's it. And it did, monster. Yeah. I think that that tweet sums up a lot of things. I don't, again, I don't actually, I think Rhonda, if I, if I, like, had to put my vote onto which side is Rhonda right or wrong about this whole thing? I think she's more right than she is wrong about this.

whole thing, but like, you know, class in victory or whatever. Not that it's even really a victory, but it's a kind of, like, it can be a victory if you want to view it, but like, and the Kesa Baderian did the correct thing. He's like, look, both of us did great. And you know, like there's a little pieces in a Kesa tweet where it's like, we did a little bit better, but he's doing it in a way that's like, yeah, like, maybe we did a little bit better, but everybody succeeded. Way to go.

Way to go MMA. It's Rob Lowe and the NFL hat. Way to go sports. You know? And Ron is just like LMAO Hunter Campbell. It's like, again, I understand the concept and I'm not here to defend Hunter Campbell, who I do not care for.

But like, this wasn't really a competition and this was an objective success for the UFC too, so it's fine. First of all, we don't even have all the global numbers. that we're just talking about the UFC in Latin America. Not that I think it's going to be a huge difference, like maybe a couple million at best, because like the UK number is going to be super low.

Dude, I think most of the global number is going to be ass because of the time. It's going to be terrible. Like Australia is going to be low. Brazil is the only factor that like I think could make this interesting because those people are fucking, if they held up for prayer, I guess, yeah. And they'll watch everything. Five in the morning for them or whatever.

Yeah. And they'll watch everything. It's tough. I think like I and I agree with you. Like the way Nekisa like started this whole thing out for MVP is like, okay, that's a good way to look at it. But then like MVP as a whole, which obviously Nekisa is well aware of what their social accounts are posting. Comparing the numbers, taking a victory lap and saying for like those who doubted us, sorry to. I don't know.

It was some fucking stupid thing. And I was just like, this is such the wrong way to go about this because, one, you barely beat them and you were on a Saturday night during prime time on Netflix. While the UFC had an hour rain delay and it got to a point where it was just like, and I was telling people on the people street fights, you're like, the amount of people I talked to who said like, yeah, I watched the first two or three fights and then I was out. It just got too late. I couldn't do it anymore. It was like pretty much everybody. A lot of people. I had a lot of people tell me that.

So like, I mean, that just hurts. That being on a Sunday and that's starting that late. Like, it's just it. Like no one was sticking around to the end, especially in the East Coast. West Coast, different numbers. But anybody I talked to in the East Coast, just like, unless you are a hardcore fan and you just couldn't wait, most people were like, yeah, I'll just watch it Monday. And then some people were like, oh, I couldn't even watch it Monday in its full form.

And they still can't watch it because Paramount's fucking. stupid and it annoys me that they're this stupid but that's besides the point but my bigger takeaways is like one if this is on cbs they would have killed you MVP two if this is on saturday on paramount they would have killed you and three if they was on netflix whether it was sunday or saturday they would have beat you if it was on a saturday on netflix they would a triple your ass up so like i mean i absolutely would have they would have 25 million on netflix so like i I agree in principle, but like plenty of people have made that point. And I don't think that that point's necessarily wrong.

But I do think that that like, in the same way that we are anti-caviotting the MVP card, like you were on a bigger platform, what, like, and again, these are fair criticisms. I think that it has just been understated that like, to what extent was this card pulling in this number because of the fighters competing on it? And the answer is pretty minimal.

like yes they had Netflix absolutely that's a big one you see the fucking White House man like it that's that was the draw for most of this anyway and so this was never in apples to apples comparison anyway like and so I kind of think the whole like and everybody got into it very quickly it's all just like this doesn't feel like these are like they're they're in the same general vicinity but they're so different

It's just like, yeah, man, I don't know. I actually genuinely do feel, even though I think the Kese Baderian was doing it as a politicking thing, like in my heart, I feel like that's the right position of like, dude, everybody did really well. That's like, that's pretty cool. That should be everybody's response. Yeah, like everybody did good. That's no, like nothing is bad about this happening. Yeah. Which is impressive.

Yeah, that should have been everybody's response. This should have been Jake's response. That should have been MVP's response. Everybody had been Ronna's response. It should have been because like, Ronda was just never going to be cool about this. Yeah. But Jake should have absolutely been a little bit savvier.

Yeah, dude. I mean, just know the room, right? Like, again, we don't even know. We don't even know if you could physically hold another mixed martial arts event. Like, who is going to fight for you? Who is going to fight for you? Maybe. Connor saying he might not fight until April of next year.

Maybe not next summer. because yeah that timeline doesn't work Connor in September they might just go ahead and re-sign him and give him like I'll eat to pourers up them like that's just a massive ass fight so like how are you going to navigate this and then too like MVP

as successful as that event was viewership wise there ain't a soul on planet earth who's going to go on the Saturday night night out with their friends order late night take out food go home and want to watch fights and they're flicking on MVP MMA 1. Not

one person is going to do that unless you go on YouTube. Can you do it? Can you like go to Netflix? I've never tried. You can go watch Jake Paul Anthony Joshua right now if you want to. You can watch Jake Paul, Mike Tyson if you want to. That makes sense. I've done it.

Exactly. And nobody else will do it either. You know what people will do? They'll go home and watch the White House fight again. They'll go home and watch that card again. Well, that's a little harder to do because Paramount is not a great, it's not a great server to watch things. It's very tough.

But like, they should be better at that by now. At least she'll want to go home and try to watch it. MVP does not have that. Unfortunately. So, I mean, I wish everybody just went with an Akisid thing because it really annoyed me.

And what I was also, the other annoying thing was just like, who gives the fuck about the numbers? Who gives the fuck? The 17 million, oh, 17 million people watch this event. Yeah, they watched it for one minute.

One minute. Everybody chill, like, golly. This is like actually a good time though, right? Like this just kind of reiterates everything. We've had like the two most viewed MMA events in North American history

in the span of two and a half months. Like, it's pretty gosh darn good. It's just cool. Like that's like I'm my, and it feels lame. It does feel very go sportsy of me. But my genuine takeaway was like,

oh, because the White House did slightly less numbers than I thought because, but I also had amended it internally. I was like actually with the delay and it's Sunday night, now it makes sense

that it's going to do a little worse, but I was like, they both are like, nobody can look at that and be like, that's a failure and that's good. The sport needs good of like big events

and we've gotten two of them this year. Yeah, and we're about to get another one because it's like, no matter what you feel about Connor McGregor, um, everyone's watching that fucking fight.

Correct. That's a dude huge. numbers we're going to know paramount is going to tout those numbers when it's all said and done we're going to know exactly how many people watch that event um so that's a very big deal it's a crazy year for the sport scotty coax is coming back uh apparently gFL is is alive and well we got an event coming up raf's cooking i mean it's just it's a good time for the combat sports world my friend it's a good uh do we have anything else i think we're good no we don't have an hour There's no chance we have anything else here.

Yeah. At this point, it's time to go. So, uh, but we're not done with this event. We will be tomorrow. That's for sure. I don't think very many people are going to be talking about UFC Vegas 119 following tomorrow. But, uh,

good news is we'll talk about some matchmaking tomorrow. At least I will, AK taking the day off. Uh, he's already sent me all the submissions that have been sent in your, to him to me. Uh, so you can keep firing off those off.

to him, he'll shoot him over to me and fire him off to me as well. And I'll read him on the show. So the way you normally submit your matchmaking suggestions, do that. And then next week, it's off to Baku for Rafael Fazeve and Manuel Torres, right? That's the main event. That sounds right. I'm not working next week. So although I may now talk about it, I had a personal thing that may have interrupted me

needing off next week. We'll see, but yes, it is Viziv Torres. I had just not looked at that card because I knew I wasn't working it. So I totally blanked it. Maybe just be surprised because it's not very good. That made a bench and be fun. Yeah, but there are a couple of notes, but yeah. Yeah. But we'll see tomorrow and on to the next one. Good night, everybody. Love y'all.

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