MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 12 Post-Fight Show: Uriah Hall KO's Anderson Silva In His Final UFC Fight

Episode Date: November 1, 2020

With UFC Vegas 12 in the books, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, Alex K. Lee and E. Casey Leydon recap the top storylines from Saturday's event at the UFC APEX, including Uriah Hall finishing Anderson Silva in the fourth round of the middleweight main event. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Well, it is Halloween here on the East Coast for another 43 minutes. And this was a Halloween-type UFC event. First time in promotional history, the UFC ran an event on Halloween. There was some blood, there was some gore, there were some finishes. Overall, pretty damn good night for the UFC. And they returned home to Las Vegas after a five-week trip to Fight Island. And the Halloween spirit is amongst the crew here.

Welcome to the UFC Face 12 post-fight show. I am Mike Heck being joined by Alex Keeley and E. Casey Liding. Casey, what the hell are you wearing? Like, what is that costume? Am I just so out of touch? I've been working out.

I'm cutting weight to see what it feels like to be a fighter. But this is my muscle suit. If you watch a... Now I forgot what it's called. attack a Japanese anime. I just can't somebody's in my mind is going to attack on Titan.

Sorry, there was a there was, who is that over there? Who is that? It's me, guys. Oh, it's not a monkey man. It's Alexander Kay Lee here.

Come on now. You guys thought as a monkey man on the show. Oh. No, it's me. I'm here. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to scare anyone.

But it's Halloween, right? How you doing, A.K. I'm great. I am, I am great. I spent like $3 on that mask, so, and not even recently. $3.5. I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I know it's been of a long way to start the post-fight show that we had an eventful, I'd say somewhat of an eventful post-fight presser from what I saw,

Dana White and Bryce Mitchell and Roy Hall. But, you know, we can talk about that and other stuff as we progress through this show here. Well, you know, kind of like we talked about off air and how we wrapped the last show off. I mean, we had like 45 minutes before Dana White even got up there. So we answered some questions. We broke down a lot of the big storylines, the bonuses, all that stuff. Trolls in the comments, try and fight Casey now. Hi-ya, Jessica from Crystal Crew.

But, AK, we didn't get your take on the main event. Uriah Hall puts away Anderson Silva in round four. It seemed like Anderson Silva was looking pretty darn good. I'd say like 13, 14 minutes into that fight. He was probably winning it until he got dropped to the end of the third and then ultimately finished in the fourth. Dana White comes out and says, that's it. I shouldn't even let this man fight.

I shouldn't even let this man fight, he said afterwards. But he said he will not be fighting again in the UFC. Before we talk about that, which I'm sure there's going to be a lot of questions about, give us your thoughts on the main event, how Silva looked at 45 years of age in this main event and how Uriah Hall was able to sort of overcome what happened in those first 13, 14 minutes or so and get the finish. There's still a magic to watching Anderson Silva perform, isn't there?

I mean, I think most of us picked Hall. I think most people making any sort of serious assessment of the fight saw it for what it was, which is, again, two guys with somewhat similar styles. Silva, one of the greatest strikers all the time. Maybe still, you could argue, a superior stricker to most people at 185, including Rahal, but also 45 years old, having lost a step, maybe a step or two. and in the fight game, to see when you're against someone

like Rao Hall who's really in their prime, that step or half step or two steps can make all the difference. So it was certainly fun to watch, as we said, and as most people saw, he was winning some of those rounds.

I actually did give the first round to Hall. I may have been out to lunch on that one, but I thought it was close. I gave it to Hall. The next two, I was given to Silva, or at least the third one I was going to until, of course, he got knocked down at the end.

So it was, but you saw those moments. You saw that stuff that made us, that's made us fall in love with Aaron and Silver for so many, for so many years. And even the ending, if this is the end, which I think a lot of us think it might be in the UFC, might not be overall. We might see civil fights somewhere else or do some other sort of combat sport. It was a really beautiful moment. And it's going to stick with me for a long time. Uriah Hall going over to him and saying, I love you and apologizing and just bawling. This wasn't

like an elegant, planned, you know, moment. This was a really, really an emotional fighter. Uriah's an emotional fighter having an emotional moment in front of everyone for everyone to see. and Andrew Silva responding and kind, really acting like the elder statesman he is and saying you loved him back and giving him some words of wisdom. So a very cool thing, which I think will reflect on it for a long time,

something Uriah Hall is definitely going to remember for the rest of his life. I would agree with that. It was an interesting fight. It was fun while it lasted. It was kind of like everything we expected it to be. Uriah Hall was like, wow, I'm fighting Anderson Silva for the first 10 minutes,

and then eventually he got comfortable and the fight played out the way that it did. So congratulations Uriahaw, now we try to figure out what's next for Anderson Silva. And it was funny because, like, what else is Anderson, what else did Anderson Silva have to say to convince everybody that this was not going to be his last fight ever? Like, he said it in every single interview.

But yet, the UFC pushed the narrative the entire time. It's like a freaking Anderson Silva tribute the entire time, his final fight. Even though Anderson's like three days ago, it's like, eh, we'll see how this one goes, but it's probably not going to be my last fight. Like, it's just crazy that the UFC just basically were like the entire. night pushing him right out the door no matter what happened in that fight it was very interesting to see but a k before you get to the questions because we're going to fire right into the into the peep so leave your questions thoughts comments on the event in the in the comments section and we're

going to pull those up immediately but aka we didn't get your degree of difficulty score heading into this event and i know some people like to frown upon it but still i'm curious to uh to get your overall assessments a grade if you will for tonight's event so i thought it was pretty damn good Well, I think I mentioned on the last time we did onto the next one. And it's kind of one of the reasons I didn't do the preview show is because I think it's time to retire this scale when referring to sporting events. I think it still works for other forms of media, specifically movies. It really was designed to rate movies. But I think there's just so many intangibles and so many ways that fight cards can surpass our expectations.

It's really difficult to put an actual ceiling on them and kind of judge their potential entertainment value. Plus, there's different forms of entertainment. like when we weren't talking about MMA, do you judge the quality of a card by how many finishes there were, how much star power was on and how competitive the fights were? Storylines, again, like we saw it tonight. Like, if we're just rating the ending of the night, the ending was a 10.

It was just a great, great combat sports moment. I don't know how people view the rest of the card or how that rating of that moment would affect the card score on average. But really, I think my trying to give a pre-fight rating, I don't know if it makes sense anymore. So I'm officially retiring the gymnastics scale for UFC events and MAA events in general on this episode of our post-flight show. All right.

Well, scale one. Wow. All right. Scale of one to 10, what do you grade the card? I'll give a solid eight. And it really nailed the landing. It really nailed the landing. That's what I'll say.

I think regardless of some of the other, I thought it was a pretty entertainment card throughout. I mean, look, we had a lot of finishes. And again, I'm not, like as I was kind of just saying, I don't think finishes are necessarily, you know, what defines. what makes a good card, but I don't think anyone's going to argue that they were entertaining, you know, you could say something about the quality of competition, but they were, they're entertaining finishes.

Their finishes that for the winners will stand out, become part of their highlight reel, become part of their package for the rest of their time in the UFC. So in that sense it was good. And then again, like I said, the ending, just a mesmerizing fight for what it was in the main event, and then everything after was was really, really beautiful. Casey, let me ask you this because we watch these scrums, we got Dana White, then we got Bryce Mitchell and they've got your eye on. Dana White came in a little bit grumpy.

Then the talk about Adasanya versus Jan Blahovich, which is interesting, the light heavyweight title coming up sometime, I assume, in 2021, maybe sooner. That kind of put a smile on his face, but coming in, he felt that he made a mistake, even booking Anderson Silver in this fight and regretted it, watching it in the aftermath. So after hearing what Dana White had to say, what did you think of the whole thing and how we reacted to the fight? It was just odd. I don't I just didn't get it like um even as a promoter like I mean he he he shit on

youriah hall I mean like you didn't even go like man Anderson's over clearly isn't the same guy but man you're right of hall he brought it tonight which he did he did I thought I mean and he did when he needed to you know he obviously he kind of you know took his time but when he felt it was time to go your house there and he showed up and we got the Uriah Hall that has advertised. I just clearly something clearly something's going on behind the scenes with Anderson Silva

and Dana White and the UFC. And I mean, the whole Dana White is, I've never talked bad about your Anderson Silva. I was like, dude, I was in Abu Dhabi for that fight against Maya. I was in what I shot the interview where you just said it was the most, like,

this embarrassing performance ever in the UFC. Like, I was there. Like, what are you talking about, man? So, yeah, everyone was just moody tonight. It was odd. I don't know. Maybe, maybe, because we had to wait for the presser, maybe they were, I don't know, everyone just sounded like they were ready to go home.

I don't know. I don't, it was a weird mood. It was a weird mood. AK, what is your gut telling you? Was that the last time you've seen Anderson Silva fight? Oh, no. Heck no. No, no.

I thought you were going to ask you how Dana White's demeanor. I want to comment, Dean and White's demeanor, I really quickly start. I'll just say, I'll say he also, I think he seems he's a bit burnt out. I'm not going to make an excuse for him being crusty and being a bad promoter. We know he's a bad promoter. Like, that's not new. For him to criticize Urya Hall and then also crap on Andrew Silva, as far as saying, like,

oh, I shouldn't have made this fight happen, blah, blah, because the fight wasn't that bad. I think, like, for him to, it's, again, to kind of downplay this moment. He should have, he should have waxed a little more poetic about it. I mean, he doesn't have to say it was like the greatest moment he's ever seen, but I'll be a little more honest about kind of how genuine the moment was. So that's not new. This is classic Dana White. I've somehow being able to take one fight with two marketable people and somehow make somehow crap on both of them.

We've seen this before. I don't know why he does it? It's terrible. But I'll say, why does he seem so kind of particularly crusty now? He was a bit short in Abu Dhabi as well. I don't know if people remember the last Abu Dhabi Press conference. I think he was up there for less than 10 minutes, which is very uncommon for him. I think he might be a little bit burnt out.

I'll just say he's a human being. You know, regardless of how you feel about Dana, he is a human being. He's been traveling a lot. He's, he's running the same schedule that we are with events, but probably doing, and doing a lot of work is very involved. So I think it's just, yes, there might be some stuff going on backstage with Andrew Silva and other fighters and who knows, who knows what else. But also, he's just been doing a lot of these press conferences.

Yeah. So there you go. So your eye haul gets finished. Bryce Mitchell gets a big win over Andre Feely. Greg Hardy finishes, where he's green in the second round of their heavyweight fight. Kevin Holland gets another finish. She goes to 4-0 in 2020. What a year that man has had.

And just somebody like bumps in the road too. Different opponent changes. Last second fights. Like all this craziness. He is 4-0. And Bobby Green could not go to 4-0. Tiago Moises gets a decision win. And that one to kick off the main card.

The bonuses. Kevin Holland. Alexander Hernandez, who looked outstanding tonight. Adrian Yannes, what a knockout that was. And then Miles Johns, the first fight of the night, with a uppercut from hell. Should Uriah Hall not have got a bonus instead of Kevin Holland? I mean, I think all the guys just, I think just everyone who gets finishes should get bonuses.

But if we're going to, if we're going to say the four best, Kevin Holland, it was cool, but kind of a scary thing. Not something I'd want to, and it's not his fault that, you know, Charlie Antibarist might have landed in an awkward way. But, I mean, that finish was more scary than like impressive. I'm surprised that you're eye haul for a really, really nice knockout of Avenger Silva. And against a, a, wasn't he a Walterway coming in on like, what, a day's notice, two days? No, this time he had like a little less than two weeks, I think. Oh, this opponent was two weeks? Okay.

I think so. Yeah. Altaveros. No. No. The guy came out, he came out Thursday. Like, he was out because Kevin Holland was scheduled for the media day on Thursday, Wednesday or Thursday. And then they didn't show up him and his opponent.

I forgot his opponent's name. And they got a new. Oh, sorry. So you're right. Hallin is in short. Yeah, yeah. And so was on DeVaris. Remember he was in for Mordov.

Yeah. Antearis is three days. You're right. Three days. Yeah. Three days, Casey. And Holland replaced Christophe Jocko. Yeah, so he gets a little under two weeks notice.

Yeah. So what a year that man's had. I mean, great great victory for Holland. I'm just kind of surprised he got in 50K when there were all these other big knockouts against more and more competitive fights. You know, probably a guy's a proper preparation. Normally a finish in the main event gets you a bonus. They're pretty consistent with that. So I'm surprised one that is such a main event that like the show relied on so much.

This was marketing-wise, like a two-fight card. So normally you would give someone the main event a bonus, especially when they finish in such a dramatic way. But like I said, congratulations for Holland. I wouldn't, I won't take anything away from him. They should just be giving out more bonuses. If you get a finish, you should get a bonus. Okay.

If it's controversial, we can talk about it. But the default should be you get a finish, you get extra cash. I thought Jason Witt got the biggest hose job of all. Hmm. A submission. I mean, that was a, I mean, he put it on him. every second of that fight, and Cole Williams

missed weight by four and a half pounds, a massive weight miss. And listen, I understand that you're getting 40% of his purse, but Cole Liam's only been in the UFC. There's only a second fight. He's probably making 12 and 12.

So what did he get like three grand? Yeah, it's nothing. After taxes, it's like, caca, he'll be able to get some buffet at the, you know, at the Las Vegas airport, if he's lucky. But, I mean,

I thought he deserved a bonus, but it is what it is. congratulations to Johns, Janice, Hernandez, and Holland. Holland's making some bank this year, so good on him. Get rid of the four bonus limit. Get rid of the four bonus limit. It is so azinine. It just makes no sense.

Do you want people to, they want people to pursue finishes. So just say, yeah, we're going to pay you fat stacks if you get a finish. So reward, if you're not going to get rid of the win, the show win system, then at least start giving more bonuses out. This is ridiculous. I have talked to like other fighters who got finishes on cards that didn't get bonuses and the UFC usually kicks them a couple extra bucks so not like not 50 G's ain't 50 G's but yeah we go from the fat stacks to like the I don't know I mean

technically the medium medium stacks hey guys do I look fat you look like autumn on steroids like I feel like it's sort of like lay you on rake you up and throw you in a trash bag I think technically you have no fat wouldn't walked right into it walked right into it yes I thought we're going to lose AK

I love you I love you I love you AK I love you I love you Kahn I love you guys I love you guys I love you I'm so sorry yeah I love you

I'm so sorry I'm so sorry that's my I'm a hole that moment I got emotional this isn't really a question it's more of a comment

but I'd like to talk about it. I'm long-time. Long-time viewer. Tristan Gordad, usually I appreciate everything you say, but why do you think that? Because in my humble opinion, this is just me, I thought Anderson Silva won like the first 13 minutes of that fight. At least in my eyes, I definitely think he won the first two rounds.

I think he was on his way to winning the third until he got dropped, and then he got finished in the fourth. So I don't think it's fair to say you had no business being in there. I guess, yeah, I mean, I think that's strong no matter what, because I was going to say, could you reframe that as he had no business being in there with a ranked opponent? But like you said, he was doing really well against a ranked opponent, right? It's just the speed, the chin, you know, it's just not quite there anymore. So, yeah, I don't think I can agree with this statement.

What kind of opponent should Anderson be in the cage with this point? That's another question. Diego Stan? Yeah, sure. Like, honestly, maybe it's something we can touch upon in our matchmaking show, Mike. I'm not sure. We normally, we only cover the winners. And again, especially we don't cover guys who could potentially not be fighting in the UFC again. But, yeah, I'm trying to think.

Yorahal was a good matchup for him, at least as far as stylistically, they're similar, which is what we saw. And it's kind of what we got what we expected. The only fear was that, yeah, he'd be on the end of a highlight real chaos, which is also what happens. So it's kind of weird. I feel like we got everything we wanted. We got to see a good Anderson Silver performance.

We also got to see your eye hall take out a legend, which I'm not sure that's what people want to see, but I'm saying it's one of the outcomes that was positive for fans and positive for the UFC. So no, I just in a, we are in disagreement on this one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was just, and like Dana just like crapping on the second round.

There's only 11 strikes. I was like, I watch the second round. Like, I don't remember it being that horrible. I don't have me. To me, I was like, no, this. This is an Anderson's whole fight and this is your Raii Hall fight. Neither of those guys have massive high output. They're very, you know, very patient.

I just call it that, you know. They look great in highlight roles, but if you kind of watch the whole fight a lot of times, you know, yeah, there's going to be times where they're just kind of like, you know, remember they were just kind of patting each other's hands. I felt like for like a minute, you know, but these guys are super high level of very dangerous strikers. We're educated MMA viewers. We know we know we know just give it time. Let it, let it simmer, you know. I was just, I'm still confused, but Dana is just trashing the main event. But by saying Silva had no business in there, I mean, we saw, we saw Jack Marshman and

Sean Strickland. You know, there are two middleweights. Well, you don't think Silva could compete with Sean Strickland or Jack Marshman? Like, I don't understand. Like, to me, Anderson Silva is still better than 50% of the UFC middleweights. Now, does UFC want to pay Anderson Silva that type of money to be a mid-tier middleweight? that's a different story that's business but no enters the silver is still a competitive middleweight you know so uh tristan keep watching love your comments but i gotta

got to got to smash you on this one he he has added tristan has added he's just he just doesn't look the same he's not the same yeah he's not he's 45 yeah he's 45 he's 45 he's that statement i can that statement i can agree with he's scientifically not the same he's 45 45 years young, okay, 45 years young. He's got a lot, a lot left in the tank. Fighting, I don't know, but he's got a lot to contribute to the martial arts world

and to life in general. So yes, of course, he doesn't look the same. But he looked competitive. That I think is indisputable. Yes. He landed a spinning back kick to the calf of your eye haul. Yeah, that can't feel good.

No, that was wild. So you still had some tricks up his sleeve. Hey, come on. Yeah, it sucks to watch your, I don't want to say heroes, but, you know, these legends of sports, it sucks when they get knocked out. You don't, it doesn't feel good, you know, watch as a fan, you know. But it was still cool. Sanderson Silver, man, he was doing all those, you know, his things and stuff.

I don't know, you know, it was just fun to watch. I don't, I don't get it. He's playing the greatest hits. He's playing the business. You know, yeah, he's like, you know, he's playing the hits. There you go, and, you know, the man makes a paycheck and, you know, he gets to feed his family, you know, live a good life. So, I have no issue of it. Dude, coming out to A-N-N-SUN-SUN- Tonight, I got chills.

Yeah, it was so fun. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Yeah. What's next for Kevin Holland? Should he get a top 10? I'm Sandy fam. I don't know.

I don't think he's top ten. I don't think it's top ten. I think there's a lot of good. Oh, Mike Perry. What are we doing? I like the Mike Perry idea. I do. Well,

I like the Mike Perry idea. Sure. I like it too. But if we're talking middle way, let's say, let's say top ten middle way. Let's say top ten middleway. Okay, middleweight. Let me throw a name out, a few names out here for you.

A couple, actually. Calvin Gassel. Don't dislike it. Oh, that's a top, so that's a top ten opponent. So Calvin's on what? Two, just, he lost, yeah. Three, three. Three, five losing streak.

That's counting at Edisonia. So two non-title. Two non-title fights. But, yeah. Till fight kind of seemed not to happen, but. Three-fight losing streak. I mean, that's the top ten guy that I don't think you would be unreasonable to match. I don't see it happening.

I'm just, I'm just speaking strictly to the hypothetical point of this question. I wouldn't be crazy. Yeah, that wouldn't be crazy. And uh, uh, Jacquetay. Don't like it. No. But I do I, I did the Calvarez should have stopped. I had you. I had you. Isn't Jacari fighting somebody? I think so. So? Yes. Trying to think who who it is off top of my head. I'm getting tired. This is why we this is why we need. You know, we thought we had an early, we thought we had an early night and then it's suddenly not being the early night. I've had quite a day. So, I understand. Jacket, he's fighting Vittori.

That's right. That's number 12th. December 12. Well, here's December 12. Okay. So here's, here's my other suggestion. If something happens with that fight to either individual, you slide Kevin Holland right in there,

especially if it's Jacaree who falls out, then we get, we get Holland Vittori, which would make Holland very happy. But no Holland in November? Well, I mean, if, listen, If you can, if they can book up a fight in November grade. We've got August, September.

You guys fought three months in a row. Three months in a row. I'm used to it now. I'm kind of like, this is what. I'll be craving it, you know. I think the ESPN plus subscribers are like my, it's in my contract, right? One Kevin Holland fight a month. Because if it's not, that's what they certainly think it is.

And they've certainly gotten used to that. So again, we don't have ESPN plus up here, but I'm saying you guys down there at the ESPN Plus, you've been getting some sweet, sweet monthly dose of Kevin Holland. I think it would suck if you didn't see it in November. Let's do it. I mean, I like the Perry idea. I think that would be great. And Perry even said, I'll fight at 185 against Shimaev.

And Holland said, well, I'll meet at a catchway. He doesn't want to do Walter White, but he'll say you do 180. So if the UFC is still going to book Mike Perry despite what's going on outside the cage, which we're not going to talk about because that's, it's too late for that. But yeah, that seems like the fun fight the book. Holland is one of the most entertaining guys in the UFC right now. Is that fair to say? Sure.

Both personality-wise and also, I think, performances, like, I mentioned in my predictions that one of the reasons he's perfect for taking these short-noticed fights is he's so adaptable. He's so adapted. Like, remember the Joaquin-Buckley fight? It took him, like, a round and a bit to figure Buckley out because Buckley is kind of an orthodox and kind of crazy. And a lot of guys that would tow them off. But Holland is just kind of like, okay, this is what we're going to do? I'm going to do.

I'll play your game a little bit, figure you out, and then I'm going to play my game, right? He's gotten better at doing that second part more, implementing his game as opposed to kind of fencing around. And, like, he does kind of mess around in positions that sometimes he shouldn't because he's like, I think he's like one of those guys likes to challenge himself. But he's, he's just really, really fun to watch just as far as, you know, how he fights and how quickly he adapts and his attitude in the fight. I think he took like an axe kick in the first round. He just like, he pointed off. I don't know what he was, he was gesturing, but he just kind of like, you know, acknowledging it. And like, yeah, a nice axe kick, buddy.

And then he later slammed on Devereas on his head. So fun guy Holland's history Didn't Dana pass on him On the contender series Was that was that? I think you're right I don't think he got a contract

Yeah he actually won the contender series And Dana was like he talks too much Was he that guy? The guy that Yeah he fought a guy that he should have murked And I like no disrespect to Wilson And he should have went in there And finished him in like a minute

But instead he decided to talk A bunch of noise and won a decision So Dana was like no But they brought it him in two months later to fight Tiago Santos on like a week's notice anyways. And a competitive fight, yeah. You know, I wasn't big. Actually, I didn't know anything about Kevin Holland, but I remember that fight.

I was like, dude, this guy came in. To me, a Walterway came in like a day's notice fight Tiago Santos. And it was competitive and fun. So I was like, no, this guy clearly is a talent. And we're going to see lots of Kevin Holland. I don't know how high up the rankings he'll ever go. I mean, in my mind, I don't see him fighting for a title. but he is going to be in the UFC for a while.

We're going to see him a lot. So I'm excited. Yeah, how old? I'm trying to see, what is he, 26, 27. He's just turned, he'll be 28 on Monday. Yes. Well, yeah, November 5th. Right?

November 5th, correct. Sorry, I'm sorry. So Thursday. Thursday. Happy birthday, Kevin Holland. Happy birthday, Kevin Holland. 50 G's. 28 years young and 50 G's richer, yeah.

What will be the opening of? odds for the Izzy Yan fight, minus 200 for Izzy perhaps. That's a good question. The toker. That's a great question. So wait, is this one of those Dana White announces? So we don't, this isn't official, right?

It's, I mean, obviously it's not official. But, you know, he, he answered it pretty flatly. Because I think, I think it was, I think, to know Komoto was the first one to report it, I think. Yeah, Dana interviewed, did an interview with Alcala. Yeah, with ESPN. So ESPN reported it first, and then someone followed up with it at the press conference.

And he, his answer was like, yeah. Yeah, that's what's what's next. So how official? I don't know. Has Izzy tweeted about it? I know John Jones did. I'm not going to, I shouldn't acknowledge it, but he did. It makes sense.

This is the fight that makes sense. I mean, I, the UFC, if they're not going to book the rematch of Whitaker, this, this is really the only big money fight for Izzy. If Izzy wants to make a big paycheck. So. Addisnia has not acknowledged the announcement yet, so we don't know. We don't know how official this is. That's what I figure, I mean, is he coming to the U.S. to corner a teammate for a contender series fight?

That's nice and all, but there's no way he wasn't doing some serious business why he's here. I really wish that both guys would just get their chance to defend their titles. But again, I'm also not against an Izzy. I mean, obviously, I think an Izzy Yon fight sounds frigging great. So I'm not going to, I'm not going to poo that idea. If that's what they're working on next and that's what happens, I'll be super excited when it becomes official. But I'm kind of the old school.

I do wish Izzy could get a couple more middleweight title defenses. I already has some. I'd like Yon to get at least one, though I guess this would be one if he beats Izzy. So I don't know. I'm just nitpicking. I'm just nitpicking. I think minus 200 is very realistic. Yeah, I think Izzy would be the favorite name.

I think he's a little more familiar to mainstream fans right now and mainstream betters, more importantly. So, yeah, he has that cachet. Yeah, I'd be surprised. And it might even move in his favor. It might even get like minus 220, something. like that by the time the fight night rolls around. So yeah, not a bad bet.

Yeah, I would say, Izzy, not minus 200 sounds right. And just, I think this is a great fight for the UFC in the sense that if Yon wins, gives them more star power. They need, they, they, they, they,

they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, well, hello, Mr. John Jones. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think, I don't think it hurts you. I don't think Holloway was hurt too badly when he lost like,

uh, lost to Porrier, right? It was like, it was a great fight. he lost. I don't think it hurt his reputation that much. Izzy, I think it would hurt, though, if he does lose because he does have that O on his record. And losing that O would be, you know, that O, I think, yeah, it still means a lot, especially for a champion.

Would that be February probably? I think that would make sense. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, because I don't think they're going to be able to book Izzy on before the end of the year. That seems highly unlikely. unless you put it on the Conner card but that's a main event.

If you're going to wait until February, why not to? Well, I guess again, no, you can't do Whitaker because he said April May. He said he's turning April May for a comeback. So that's that's out of the question. And Dana White was like, well, then you guys asked Whitaker about and you said, no, I don't want the title fight. He didn't say that. Yeah, he did not say.

What was that from? He said he's not going to beg for a title point. He said, I'm not fighting until March, April, May. Like, I want to be with my family, get a kid on the way that's going to be born and January. Like, I'm taking time off. I'm not, I'm not in a rush. He didn't say he wasn't going to fight for the title. He just said, I'm waiting, I'm sitting out until April. I got family stuff. That's just dumb. Yeah. I'm just dumb. But Till, Till and Hermanson now, uh, I mean, I feel like if one of them, if Till has like an impressive performance, shouldn't you still consider him for

the title show? Again, we don't know how far along this is, yeah, on negotiations is, but that's kind of, That kind of sucks for Till and Hermanson. I'm sure it's not going to affect them that much, like mentally their preparation, but that did feel like a number one contenders fight. Now we don't know what it is. Yeah. We'll see. Fun fight.

I just don't know. Yeah. I mean, Whitaker, I mean, it's tough to, like, give Till the shot over Whitaker. And Hermanson, nice guy, but not really a big draw. I don't know. What's it going to take for Hermanson? become a draw. How about that? I don't know.

Did he just not have that it factor? I mean, I don't know. I like her, man. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, I don't understand, too. I don't understand the fan. I think he's good at interviews. He's an exciting fighter.

He finishes fights. He finishes fights. He'll hooked for getting gas at him in like two seconds or something. Like, that's insane. But yeah, I just, yeah, he kind of confuses me. why, and I get it too. I don't see Hermantin being like a star, but I just don't know why either. Yeah.

I think we say about a lot of people. Too nice. When it comes to, yeah, he's too nice. That is always a part of it. But yeah, what is that magic formula to being a star? Who knows? To making an Anderson Silva, you might say. Well, we discussed it a lot this week that even Anderson Silva, the formula for turning him

into a star was very convoluted and very complicated. And it took a long time. And there's really no way to replicate that. That particular path that Anderson Silva took, there's, like, no way to replicate it. Because I think people forget, even when he was putting on, like, highlight real finishes, he wasn't like a huge straw. And it wasn't until a little bit later, maybe like the Vitor, Damien Maya, which was a terrible fight, but I think it drew okay.

And then, of course, Chalcena that he really became like a big, big mainstream star. So a rival would be good. I don't know if there's like some blood rivalry that Hermanson can develop with Darren Till, maybe they can make each other stars. But again, now that we have kind of these murky stakes, that's certainly not going to help things. So, yeah, looking forward to that fight. looking forward to Jan and Izzy if that happens.

But, yeah, part of me still wishes we had that traditional champions staying in their divisions and defending their titles. But it's a very different era we live in now. Yeah, I mean, had Cannon Air won last Saturday. I think we would have had. We wouldn't even be talking about it. But we knew that. Which is why I hated that fight.

Yeah. Nothing to gain. Yeah. But thank you, the toker. I agree. Minus 200, probably be about right. Yeah. Solid prediction, I think.

Oh, I just lost that question. You're okay. You're happy? You're happy? Oh, watch my 666. Thank you for bringing up Tough. The Ultimate Fighter, maybe the greatest reality

to television show of all time. Next to so you think you can dance. Look, I've watched, I'm not going to lie, I have missed seasons of Tough. I've watched almost every season. I think I missed, like, Tough Brazil 4. Oh, you watched the foreign ones?

Oh, they're so. Good. Oh, if you guys never saw the Ross Pearson, the Ross Pearson season, Tough the Smashes, I think it was Ross Pearson and what's his name, Kyle No, Kyle Noke, George Soderopoulos. George Sauteropoulos, George Sauteropoulos, George Sauteropoulos. That's like one of the best seasons, y'all. It's just so much. But anyway, I go out of ramp up.

Wait, wait, Ross, wait, what, Ross Pearson and George Sardropos were coaches on Tough? I had no clue. I know. My first day here. First day here. I never saw the Chinese edition, which I think was actually called. like the perfect warrior or something. Yeah, and they got like a yoga guy on the show

and he got his ass beaten in like the first episode. I think he left the house. He's like, this is a huge mistake. I don't know what I'm doing. I only saw that clip. I did not see the whole. I'm behind. I will someday watch them all.

But I'm glad to hear that there will be more seasons coming. So even though it'll make my catching up more difficult, I'm excited. They said this is Open Fighter 29, I think. Who should coach? I'll tell you who should coach. And I've thought about this for a long time. not current UFC stars.

For one thing, often they don't make good coaches. Tony Perks, no, sorry, Brock Lesnar was on there once. Horrible, horrible, horrible coach against Shane Carwin. Terrible. Oh, sorry, against Junior. And then he ended up fighting Shane. My memory is so bad. But Brock Lesnar was an example of guy who was on there.

Sometimes you get really good. Once Michael Bisoming, Jason Miller was an awesome, awesome season that the fight was made so much better by the fact they coached against each other. But that's, like, one out of a lot of fights that won, ended up just didn't need, they didn't need that buildup, or two, it didn't happen. If you want to just go to Wikipedia guys and just check out the last like 10 seasons, there's so many fights that were just derailed by injury because, look, there's like an eight-month gap between filming and the fights actually happening.

So a lot of crap can go wrong and often does in M.A. as we know, so it's faulty. So I say get good coaches. I would love to see them bring Chil Sonan back. Awesome tough coach. She's done multiple seasons. Matt Sarah was a fantastic tough coach and essentially a de facto coach on the comeback season. So bring back these guys. Don't worry about setting up fights.

Bring back guys for good coaches. Treat it like Iron Chef. You bring back, you rotate like six coaches. Yeah, and you bring these guys in Rashad. Evans throw him in there. Dean Thomas, I think it would be amazing. Guys who are good on TV, would be good coaches. And that's the most important thing.

Don't worry about trying to build a fight with the show because it just, it makes for bad television. And sometimes the fights don't even happen. So that's my, so who's going to do it? I don't know, not current point. My picks would be Chal Sonan and Matt Serra. I think that would be amazing. Who you got? Are the coaches going to fight?

No, there's no fight. What? So the coaches only coach? I'm here for the drama, sir. It is crazy. I want to see, I don't care if they can fight. I don't care if they can throw punches. I want to know if they're good roommates.

We got BJ Penn Edgar III because of the ultimate fighter. I think that fight was booked because they're like, oh, let's have them coached in the show. And then I guess they have to fight at the end. The fight was depressing. It was one of the worst seasons ever. they were, you know when they do the time stop footage? You're in video case. You know when they do the time stop footage where they show like, oh, here's time passing by.

They did one montage where it was just the guy sleeping. There's just them like getting in and out of bed. Like that's how little happened on that episode. So what I'm saying is I love the ultimate fighter and I'm glad it's back. That's really what, really the point. Who would your coaches be, Casey? Oh, God damn. Wait.

Are they actually? I, no, I don't have an answer. I just don't have an answer. So it's going to be Banton weights and middle weights they said I think so Middleweight yeah middleweight bannam weight Who would it be who would it be who would it be who would it be Oh man man man man I don't know

This is like this is too much of my brain right now Who won the last who won the last season of the ultimate fighter No one I should know this and I'm embarrassed I'm gonna look it up in a second Well let me Was it Wannasvino? Had to be because it was heavyweight Oh, heavyweight and, oh, and it was two people cast.

So Wanda Spino was a heavyweight winner. I am very curious, though, how tough is going to work in the new pandemic era. They're doing virtual auditions. Love to see how those. But the house is perfect for it, right? I mean, the house is, but there's a crew there. The crew is like half the people in the house will be crew, like sound guides, camera people. Like, there's a lot of things.

Just stay at a designated hotel, right? It would be a little bit complicated. but yeah I heard if you just it's all mental I was watching the post presser the whole COVID COVID thing

too soon we can't they're not going to go there it's tough to it's tough to say who's coaching because they're going to film this thing if it's going to air in March they're going to start filming probably in like January

so there's like a couple of like easy matchups that you could do but if there's going to have the coaches fight, then the fight can't be to like May or June. So, man. I mean, and think about too, not only the contestants and the crew have to be bubbled, these UFC champs or these high profile fighters, whoever they're going to be your coaches,

they also have to be quarantined and in a bubble or whatever for like two, three months. Like, yeah. It's complicated. If tough is going to do it, the same thing as they did before, it's actually very complicated with, with the world the way it is. Yeah, and there's another reason why I wouldn't want to throw two stars in there, if I'm being honest. It's just, again, who knows what kind of complying to me.

And I guess guys like Chilson and Matt Serra might not want to volunteer for that, though. But hey, you pay them enough, they'll do it. Yeah, me. Covington and Mazadol? No, don't put any stars in there. I mean, listen, we can do it virtual. We can do Skype classes. I don't know.

It's all. Everyone else is doing it. I mean, our kids are doing it. Why can't UFC fighters do it? Now, Mike, you're going. How's that going? Mark Vinagray. Mark Vinagray in the comments.

Thank you for answering who was the female winner. I should have known this because this was the heavy hitter season. Macy's Chazone, right? Macy Ches. Yes, because it was the male heavy weights and female feather weights. It was like the two heaviest, like in their weight classes. Like, this season is going to be sick. And it wasn't a bad season.

But it was not like the best way for, for, for, for, for, ultimate fire to go out. But that actually wasn't the bad season, I'll say. Wasn't every single featherweight go to Banton White pretty much as soon as it ended? Yeah. And we all knew they would because I feel like you could just a glance at their tapology page. It's like, this woman fought it like flyweight like two fights ago. Like she's, they're just putting them in there for the sake of the show and not actually trying to find actual featherweight. So it was a just a just a debacle. I love to see Vulcan I love to see like Sehudo in there somehow. This is like how he shows back.

Yes. Suhudo would be, you know what, that would be perfect. Get these weird semi-retired guys. And again, even if it doesn't end up in a fight, that's a guy who's, he's a recent star. He's very much on the front of people's minds. He's, I don't think he's a particularly good talker, but he does love to talk. That's good for TV. He'll do anything.

I mean, we know he'll do reality TV antics. You want to know a guy who's going to be corny, TV show antics, and do who knows all about that. So that's actually a really good suggestion. I am so on pursued. All right. What else we go? We spend a lot of time talk about the ultimate fighter.

Who else wants to? Is there another ultimate fighter question? Let's go. This is now the ultimate fighter chat. I am so down. Guys, are just at me on Twitter if you want to talk with the ultimate fighter.

My DMs are open. Casey looks ripped. You can see who's, you can see who's controlling the questions, can't you? That was an accident. I was trying to click this one right here, but another tough question.

What do you think of tough Ferguson versus Chandler? No. No. Tony Ferguson is 37 years old. He is not even to waste three, four, five, whatever, whatever how many months it'll be

in that friggin ultimate fighter house, all right? No, just book that fight, let both guys focus on training and nothing else. No. No, both of you. So much fun, though.

Moving on to next week, do you think Jan will beat Klajia? Are we going to see Zhang Wei Li versus Jan? I don't know. She's going to have to beat Claudia for that to happen, but it's a good fight. I can't believe that's not the co-main event. Yeah.

If we're being honest, look at this card. That should be the co-main event. That's disrespectful. I'm looking at the card now. That's disrespectful. I notice. That's straight up disrespectful. With, you know, I like Tanner Bozer and Andrew Olavski.

I like Ian Hinesh and Brendan Allen. They should not be above Clad of Godelia and Jan Shahn. So, that's bad. I thought they were the co-made event. That's bad. Yeah. That's very bad People love heavyweights, bro

They love heavy weights Do I think she'll be Does anybody think that she'll Defeat Caudelae next week And what should be the co-made event She could I'm picking Claudia But she looks impressive

And she seems to be getting better So we'll see Yeah, Yonah's legit And she's said before She's wanted to fight Jean Wiley They are they don't train together They may have trained together in the past. They're not, they're not necessarily close friends or do they train together.

So that'd be a good matchup. And unfortunately, I wish it could happen in a card, you know, in China, you know, or somewhere in Asia. But obviously, these circumstances can't happen. But, yeah, that's definitely a fight I would expect to see. If Jan wins, I would absolutely expect to see that in 2021. Sure. Yeah, yeah, a minus 1.40 favor right now. Oh, wow.

Hey. The people know. It's very legit. Yeah. Good fight. Oh, here we go. Is this a Tristan Gordett show? The man asked good questions.

He put one stinker out there, but everything else. Come back. Come back with a veggie. Kristen, yeah. With outstanding finishes by Hernandez and Yanis, have you seen striking that crisp and that clean? It felt like every punch they threw landed flush. Both outstanding performances.

Adrianianianez is a problem at 135. Agreed. Another 35er. Yes. Yeah, he is a legit. He's legit. He's fun. And now you got to see that he can kick too.

That kick was ferocious. And it was perfectly timed. It was like poor Victor Rodriguez was just like, I have to escape these punches. So I'm going to go this way. And his foot was just waiting for him. Just fwap. Knocked him right out. It was nasty.

And then Hernandez, you can just see like, and there were some comments that I saw on Twitter about how the broadcasters were talking about Hernandez and saying that like that they were crapping on his old. old team, but shouting out factory X. I didn't think that way at all. In fact, Hernandez's old coach was in his corner tonight with Mark Montoya. Oh, wow. I didn't even know that.

Yeah. Listen, it was just Hernandez even said it when I spoke with him that. When you're the big fish in the small pond, you're winning all the, you're winning every single battle in the gym. You got to go somewhere else. Unfortunately, for Alex, he figured that out in the middle of a fight with a guy like Drew Dober as he's getting punched in the face. Yeah, I probably should have.

like be a part of a team somewhere. And now he's now he's got one. And you can tell that, I mean, listen, Chris Gritzmacher, tough dude, guy was out for two years. I mean, this isn't like Hernandez beat a top five guy. This isn't like the Darius win. But this is the kind of fight he needed. He hasn't had any of these fights in the UFC.

He'd never got the chance to really grow up. He just got thrust into the Daryush fight. And when you knock out a guy like Darius, you're going to get like these really difficult matchups. There you go. So this is a good performance. This is a good confidence booster for him. He's got a new contract with the UFC.

I think this is like his third or fourth contract with them already. So good fight. On to the next one, AK, we're not going to talk about what's next for Hernandez now. That's an interesting one. That's the one that I'm really thinking about a lot because there is no, like, there's no more like, I'm not saying that Gritzmacher was a layup because he certainly wasn't. Gritzmockers beat the brakes out of Joe Lozahn, which is not easy to do. I mean, there's no easy fight for Alex Hernandez.

There's no, like, there's no more tune-up fights. Everything's a tough matchup for him moving forward. Yeah. Yeah. I do think we need to pump the brakes a little bit. Because, yes, Hernandez looked amazing tonight during your own. But I think he was most of the prelims. This might have been the closest one, but I believe most of the fights, almost everyone was like a two to one.

Oh, I'm sorry. No, this was not close. Hernandez was a over minus 400 favorite, depending where you look, but at minus 400 at the very least. So he was one of the heavy favorites. What was the closest? I think Strickland Marshman? Strickland Marshman is one of the closer ones? Oh, maybe Jacoby Ledette.

Maybe Jacobi Ladet. Even he was like a 2-1, I think. No, oh, wow. No, even he was, I'm just looking at it now. So most of the fighters, I know there was a close one, but most of the fighters in the prelims were like three to one, four-to-one favorites. And there's a reason for that. I mean, look, we talk about Victor Rodriguez,

not an experienced, not a particularly experienced guy, fought for Alaska Fighting Championship, which is a fine promotion, but not the highest level of regional competition. if we're being honest. He was short notice replacement, less than two weeks notice. So he looked smaller. He looked, I think, quite a bit smaller than Yanez. Maybe, maybe that's just how I saw on TV.

So Yanez got to style. He did what he should do facing Imperial competition. But let's pump the brakes little. He looked great, of course, on the Contender Series as well. We know he's fought for LFA, of course, which is a really, really good, probably the best regional competition that you can fight it. But again, let's pump the brakes a little. He styled on, I think, an opponent that he was very, very,

heavily favorite against. So, and even Hernandez's some degree, like I said, nice win against Lausanne for Critsbacher, but huge, massive favorites tonight. And he took care of business, but pump the brakes. Pump the brakes. Wow. Tristan, pump the brakes a little.

You like that cliche. That's your go too. Can I? Pump the brakes. What was the other? Can I, can I read a non-Tristan Gordiac question? Is that allowed? Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Oh, you can tell the questions now? Well, I mean, unless it's, Look, I guess Tristan and Redek controls the question because they keep getting on. So I'm saying you might want to try and control the show. We're probably going to talk about them on onto the next one too

because he always has suggestions for that show as well. And watch my six. Another regular. Habib versus GSP for the 30th tough season. Would you call Habib and GSP stars? I mean, I would think so. Yeah. George St. Pierre is 40 years old.

Yeah, he's old, man. Yeah, that's what I, he's 39. He turns 40 in May. He'll be 40 if we throw him into the tough house. I don't want him turning 40 in the tough house, okay? Let the man enjoy his life and train. How dare you suggest that for an ultimate fighter? No, that is a waste of both men's lives.

I love the show. I love the show. One aspect I've hated for years, though, is that it does put fighters on the shelves for a long time. So yes, these guys fit in that semi-retired star category, or fully retired, I would say definitely in cheese piece case. But no, I, please don't. Casey, why do you do this to me? GSP is busy with the one championship apprentice.

Yes, exactly, exactly. He's got, he's got, he's got, 30 million people are going to be watching that. Go watch the cons check season again, all right? If you want to see GSP coach, go watch the cost check season again. That was a really good one. Here we go. Let's talk about, okay, we got actual a fight question from another long time user.

I do have a question. I do have a good question. Oh, go, go. You have a question? Before I go to this one, I wouldn't know, I'll lose track of this one. We need to talk about him because we haven't mentioned them yet. Yeah, please, please. Another friend, Waxomis won.

Sorry, Mike, go ahead. This is the fight. I mean, I was going to let you guys go because I know how much just seeing this makes you guys smile, but that's the fight. I feel like we've mentioned this on to the next one multiple times. I feel like we've mentioned this on post-fight shows. This is the fight to make. This is 100% the fight to make.

High motor, exciting grappler and Bryce Mitchell versus maybe the greatest ground fighter I've ever seen in my life, uh, Ryan Hall, the master of the 50-50 position. Yeah. Uh, you mean, did you say K1 level Ryan Hall dropped, um, Darren Elkins like three times? Not just a great grappler, just a great athlete, a great fighter, complete, he's a complete warrior. So mind your peas and cues. Yeah, I think that's a final way to make it happen.

I bet if you're Bryce Mitchell, though, you're aiming for, because I don't know where you would rank Ryan Hall now. I mean, obviously he's like perennially number one. But I don't know if the UFC ranking, the so-called media rankings view him that way. Is there anything higher than one? Because he's probably that. Yeah, yeah. Whatever above one is.

But I think, I think Bryce Mitchell will be looking for someone with an official number next to his name, a UFC number next to his name. So I don't know if Paul falls in that category. So I don't know if we see that next. Is it the fight that should make next? Of course. It's the fight that should always be the main thing that the matchmaker should be working on at all times. Ryan Hall is ranked two spots above Bryce Mitchell, right? now.

What number is he? 13? Is he really? Yeah. I mean, I shouldn't be surprised. When's it the last time he fought? Ryan Hall? Yeah.

December. It's not that long ago, I guess. He is ready to go. Oh, Darren Elkins was ranked. That's right. Okay. Darren Elkins was ranked, so he took Darren Elkins spot. Okay.

Well, that's, yeah, that's, that's, makes sense. And again, he's the best. Mitchell Hall is the fight to make, if not Mitchell versus E.K. Is one B for me. I see that. Oh, I like that too. But you know, normally, I don't, I, like, the fight, if Ryan Hall doesn't get booked this fight, the fight I want to see once he gets held up, I still want to see Ryan Hall

versus Jeremy Stevens. Just, and I want to see a full 30-minute countdown show. Just with these guys, just sit them at a table, like one of those, like, when they go head to head and they just, you know, let Jeremy Stevens mean-bug him. I just, I love, I love, I love style clashes. I thought you were going to say you want to see a 30 minute fight no rounds. 30 minute time limit, no round is fight between Ryan Hall. Both.

Give me everything. Why are you limiting me? This is America, man. Freedom. Come on. Old school UFC. UFC, yeah. You have 30 minutes to a fight.

And then, and then judges, no decision. No, no decision. I guess it would just be a draw if it lasts that long. No, it just, yeah. Can I read this question from Aaron, Mabry? Go for it. Yes. Probably not even listening anymore.

It's been so long. Aaron Mabry, thank you for this question. What's next for, you know, it ties this. What's next for Bryce Mitchell and his legendary camo shore? Oh, there he is. He popped back up again. What's next for Bryce Mitchell and his legendary camo shorts? He also asked where can we buy them.

Probably rebuck.com. I don't buy from them. I just want to say. Do you say don't buy from them? You just sit that one in there. Don't buy. I did. Wait.

Are they one of our sponsors? Because in that case, Reebok's number one. The Camel shorts jump the shark tonight, right? Is that, is that, am I crazy? Well, I think they, I think they half-assed it. He still wore the generic, you know, jumpsuit. You got, you got to go camo all out. You know, his corner guys weren't camo.

Like, it's, it's a fight kit, not fight shorts. He should have popped out of a bush. They should have looked at a big horse. Well, no, like, what they should have done, they shouldn't have done the walk out. The music play and the camera guy's like, where is he? Where is he? And he's already in the cage.

She's, you can't see him. Oh, my gosh. Come on, man, Dana. This is how you make money. Come on, man. Hot takes. I think we all loved when this campaign started. And every time he dedicated any promo time to it, it was great.

It was funny. It shows so much personality. And it's something we all want. I'd be like, yeah, fighters should be campaigning for more individuality and to have their custom gear. We all want that. But somewhere along the way, the UFC kind of co-opted the storyline. I mean, I did it a whole video package for it.

I swear they said the word Camber Shorts 20 times and maybe like like a minute, 90 seconds. It was horrible. I don't know if you remember in the W.E. Van Dango when Fandango first came up and he had this cool dance he was doing. And I'm trying to make me. Thank you. Thank you. The white shot.

He had this cool dance he was doing. And people love the crowd was doing it. It's really a stupid catchy song. And then like they wanted to make it big. So they had frigging a hundred year old Jerry Lawler come out and go like, hey kids. The whole nation loves fan. Fendangowing, right?

And then he started doing it. Killed it. No one ever fandangoed again. And the same thing sort of happened with the camo shirt today. I think people are like, she's like, hey, look at these camo shorts we let this guy have. Aren't we a cool company? I'm like, hmm.

It's kind of lost its magic now, hasn't it? Yeah. I hate to say it. Yeah, they should have went out of with it. It's like when your parents get on Twitter or something and they start commenting on your stuff. Just like, I hate everything now. I thought what I wrote was cool.

My mom says I'm cool. I don't get it, guys. Why is everyone hate me? I already have her validation. I don't need to. Anyway. Hey, Mike, are you still down with it? Are you still down with the Camel shorts?

I agree. It should have been like camo everything. Coaches, shirts, walk out, sweatpants, shoes, sneakers, everything. Everything should have been camo. And I saw people say on Twitter, it's like, they're essentially saying,

isn't this cool that we let this one fighter wear this unique outfit and we make all our other fighters wear crap? It's kind of what it looked like. They're like telling on themselves with this like, by basing so much promotion around this one aspect as like,

you know how you make, this makes everything else you do look, right? How many years? Oh, sir. Even like, feely shorts were like, like different too. They were like blue. and it looked like there was like laser beams all over them.

Those are different too. Okay. I mean, I don't know. But who cares? I mean, good for Bryce. Yeah. But who cares? Who cares?

And unless, like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Casey dressed like Giant Gonzalez over here. Yeah, I want to see that. That's what we want to see. I'm shredded. Look at these traps. Friend of the show, Jessica from the Crystal Crew, was asking,

on Twitter, what Halloween song should people come out to, like what any fighter come out to? And I said, if someone came out to the Werewolf for Mitzpah song from 30 Rock, I would, I would crap my pants. If someone had come out of that song, I would have just like, I would have left. I would just like stopped tweeting.

I would have stopped doing my job for the night. So it's good. No one did because I'm so I'm here. But I would have loved that or Monster Mass, something like that. But there's some good walkouts today. I'm not going to hate. Yeah, like the two best ones are Hernandez and Gritzmacher. My opinion.

Was that the Fleetwood Mac versus Rob Zombie? Versus white zombie, yeah. Oh, I heard the pick with Mike. I didn't hear the Rob Zombie. What do you walk out to? More human than human. All right. But that needs a crowd.

That needs a crowd. That's got a need to slow build. And then like, you know, once it ramps up, then you kind of like Clayquita run down to the ring. But obviously, you can't really do that. You can't really do that at the apex, unfortunately. Man, and Hernandez shouldn't have a big bottle of like cranberry juice. I know.

Like, come on. Just go all out, man. Sorry, it's not one of their, which is praise, not one of their sponsors, so you know they wouldn't allow it. 100%, you know, that was not going to fly on the air. Zero percent chance.

Why are these corporations making this not fun? I know. Any more questions? Come on, people. Yeah, right? I agree. The night itself, though, I think like you said,

in your intro to the show, Mike, it did have some spooky moments. So Holland Slam was scary. There was a ton of blood. Even when, man, it was kind of a surreal scene at the end with Hall and Silva because they're trying to wipe the blood off of him and close the cut. The cut guy was there just doing his job. And I think someone said, just give them a minute or something.

And then as Hall and Andrew Silver are talking, like the cut opens up again and blood just starts dripping from like Silva's face while they're having this moment and hugging. And again, it's the sort of scene you can only see an MMA, which is what we love about it. So that was a crazy scene. Yeah, a lot of finishes, a lot of blood. So very, very Halloween appropriate event for the first one. first one in U.S. History.

Agreed. I did not see anyone walk out as a sexy nurse, so it was not Halloween to me. Geez. One more question. All right. All right. Real quick.

Oh, my gosh. It's a big question. Arling boy. Do you think with Venom taking over Reebok's place, fighters would be allowed to express themselves more? No. Also, I think the UFC should allow a sponsor patch so it doesn't like.

like NASCAR and fighters get money? No, it's not going to happen. Listen, all you needed to see was the press conference announcing this deal, okay? And what do they say? The fighters are going to get more money

than they got the Reebok deal. How much more? Probably not much more. But that's it. That's all you're going to get. It sucks. It stinks and it sucks and it stinks. But that's just the way that it is.

And no, we won't see anything cool. We won't see anything individualistic. it sucks. I want to see the fighters be able to express themselves a little bit more at their fight gear. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't have a lot of faith.

Anybody you disagree with me? No. The U.S. is about control. It is about controlling its product. It's one of the reasons it's been as successful as it is. I think it's one of the reasons that's also held it back in some ways. But again, I'm not the one cut in the beans out there.

I'm sure they believe in what they're doing. So, yes, as fans, and as members of the media, you know, we see things a different way. Like, I think there's room for growth there. Again, when you allow for more individuality, I think that's how the UFC became as big as it did. But the position they're in now, they feel the need to take those kind of risks, and so they won't. Maybe Venom stuff will just be so just much cooler looking. You know what I mean?

It won't be as boring as Reebok. Venom does make cool stuff. They do make good gear, but it's not, we're not talking about that. We're talking about individual gear. Like, are they going to have cool stuff for this fighter, cool stuff for that fighter? You know, I get, I get you can't do 500 custom outfits, but why not, actually? I watch, we watch enough pro wrestling. They all have individual outfits.

Yes. I don't get it, man. Like, so you don't need to do 500. Let's just do a dozen. Let's do a dozen different ones, maybe. I do wonder if a lot of, a lot of wrestlers pay for their own gear, though. They do, they do. Yeah, they do.

They do. Yeah. Casey we can't go on that question. What a downer. Yeah, I know. I'll see anything um I don't want to I'll keep it out

yeah people are really into the sexy nurse well you you brought it up oh man okay okay let's go out on some of the part yeah we don't what's a positive thing about the card tonight that we can just go out on like you know what

what do we not talk about what we're not talk about you know what that was pretty awesome Yeah, who did who? I'll say, I'll say two things, man. Sean Strickland's getting a win coming back. And gosh, the talking was so much fun. Wonderful. There's pros and cons to not having a crowd.

One of the big pros, boy, if someone decides to talk in that cage, you are going to hear everything. And Sean Strickland was definitely aware. He's, I think it's midway to the second, he kind of realized like, man, I think he was like, I bet everyone in this building. And everyone at home can hear what I'm saying, because he got louder and louder. and louder. I felt like he was miced up. I felt like there was actual microphone on him. I was

like, how is the audio so clear for that? Like did not need it. He was talking. He was said, come on, man. Oh man. Man, man, why aren't you going down? Yeah. You got to fall down, man. And then they're like, come on. We've got 10 seconds left. Let's go. 10 seconds. Okay. Oh, man, five seconds. Let's go. Five seconds. I was like, holy this guy is. I forgot. I mean, I remembered him being good. I'd forgotten how entertaining he was. It has been two, over two years since he last fought. And the other one, Dustin Jacoby, I mean, a lot of people don't get this chance after eight years away from the UFC. If you go, if you don't pick up a win in your first round of the UFC, he went 0 and 2 back in

2012, I guess so 2011, 2012. And then the UFC doesn't pick you up for like eight years. You're probably not coming back. You have maybe a small window as a fighter for your second chance of UFC, maybe three years, four years, five years. Usually you have to end up going to another promotion, maybe making a lot of, you have to end up going to know the promotion, maybe making a name there. Justin Kobe just, Justin Jacoby just did like the old-fashioned man.

He's just grinding away on like the regional scene, you know, and then comes back and gets his first UFC win almost, almost nine years after his UFC debut. Think about that. That's a, if he never wins another fight, that's a great frigging story. So a very cool moment for Justin Jacoby and a very cool moment for Sean Sterling, very fun. Sean Strickland, maybe the funest fight of the night. So I kind of wish that's been a way to get him a bonus, him and Jack Marshman a bonus as also.

Yeah, a lot of positives. Can you imagine when Justin, oh, I can't say his name. Justin on, it was Dustin on Justin. Yeah. When Dustin Jacoby, when he lost his second bite in the UFC, like afterwards, you know, you know what, this guy needs about a decade to send him a decade. Give him a decade. We'll see him back.

He's going to be impressive. So, yeah, congratulations to him. Super nice guy. I met him in glory. And I saw him get his ass kicked and I saw him beat up some people. So I was like, man, the fact that he's still doing it and still made a nice little paycheck tonight, good on him. Keep living those dreams. Yeah.

A circuit, a circuit, I shouldn't have tried to say this word. Say it again? Hold on. I'm giving you this solo camera. Secuitus route back to the year. I forgot that there was a gap that he took off there to go pursue kickboxing and not fight an May for about three and a half years. So what a roundabout way of making your way back to the UFC.

Again, guys, you know, look, that's one of the beauties of this game that we cover, you know, is you just can't count anybody out, you know, you can't count anybody out. So it's really, it was really nice to see. Getting emotional again, guys. I'm getting your eye haul, some of your eye haul feelings here. You know what's wild is that remember in May when Anthony Smith lost a Glover-Jashera and like Mark Montoya was like the devil of coaches? Like, how dare you allow your fighter to take this kind of a beating?

And, like, it was, he just got turdied on for like 72 hours until Anthony Smith started doing media and was like, listen, if Mark Montoya had thrown into the towel, I would have fired him and he would never have coached me again. So he was looked at and frowned upon in a big way. But look what happened. Look what's happened over the last couple months. I mean, good God, between Brandon Royval, what Yusuf Salal is done this year, Luigi Vendor Media getting the win that he got.

Krause getting the win that he got. And now Alex Hernandez and Dustin Jacoby, Factory X is rolling right now. They've been rolling for a while. It's just, yeah, I mean, I, yeah. Get that guy on what the heck. We need to know more about him. He's a good interview.

Factory X and Fortis. Factory X and Fortis, well represented. Yeah, they're well represented. For sure. I love to get Mark Montoya. The last time I talked to him was right before the John Jones, Anthony Smith fight. and hearing him try to like break down John Jones and just like the excitement he had to like try to solve that puzzle like gave me goosebumps it was awesome.

All right. But there you go. All right. We're anything else. We're good. We're good. Take us out. Take us out.

Readers, I'll say again, as always though, viewers, you guys are the best. The viewer count always seems like go up during the show. You guys are crazy. Like are you calling your friends and tend to hop onto the show? Please don't do that. That's, I welcome all viewers. But I mean, really, don't bother your friends. with this stuff. They don't need to hear about us. There you go. Thanks. What a way to set this up.

Of course, lots of, lots more on this card. Monday morning, onto the next one, a.k.a. and myself, we will do some matchmaking for the main card as well as, I think, Alex Hernandez and the wild card. Always fun for the wild card. Between the links, we'll talk about the card as well. And then onwards and upwards, A-side, what the heck, and then we get you ready for UFC Vegas 13, I think we're going with. That'll be headlined by Glovetich-Teshire versus Tiago Santos. Hell of a fight. Big one at 205.

I guess the number one contender for the winner of Blohovitz versus Adisania. So there we go. That's where we're at right now. So we're done. UFC Vegas 12 in the books, at least for tonight. For John Gonzalez. And what are you AK? That's not AK. I don't know where AK is.

The monkey man. For John Gonzalez and the Monkey Man, I am Mike Heck. Good night. Happy rest of your Halloween. You guys are all crazy. Good at everybody. Dreams. Dreams.

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