MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 13 Post-Fight Show: Glover Teixeira Submits Thiago Santos In Headliner

Episode Date: November 8, 2020

With UFC Vegas 13 in the books, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Jose Youngs and E. Casey Leydon break down the top storylines from Saturday night’s event at the UFC APEX, including Glover Teixeira’s third-round submission win over Thiago Santos in the light heavyweight headliner.  Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. We are here with all of you on this Saturday night or Sunday morning, depending where you're at around the globe, for the UFC Vegas 13 post-fight show on MAAfighting.com. I am Mike Heck being joined by Jose Youngs and E. Casey Leiden. Thank you all for joining us. And for those watching live right now, because you may get this after the fact. Get those questions, your thoughts on the event and the chat,

and we'll get to them momentarily. But Jose, let us begin with you, kind, sir. the main event saw the return of Tiago Santos for the first time since his fight with John Jones, where a lot of people thought he won that fight, which is kind of the uncrowned champion, suffered a plethora of injuries in that fight, basically tore his left knee to shreds, amongst other injuries, taking on a surging Glover to Chera, and in the end, Glover gets rocked a couple of times. He battles through it each and every time at 41 years of age and gets it done with a rear naked choke in the third round. What a freaking fight. Your thought on

tonight's main event and the performance of one Glover Cheshirea. It was awesome, man. It was a good fight. I thought it was the better fight of the night. I'm sure we're going to talk about the bonuses later. But after the fight, I thought that was a lock for fight of the night. It had pretty much all the makings of Tiago Santos' performance outside of him just tearing through his opponents because let's not forget before he lost to John Jones. He was rattling off these wins over like Eric Anders, Jimmy Manua, current champion, Yombovich. Like, he would just come out like a bat out of hell. Like, I remember I I did a preview show with Sean Al-Shadi before I think it was the Jan Blahovic fight,

and we were comparing him to like a weed whacker with chainsaws at the end of it instead of the little string. So Jagos Santos is an unpredictable, violent human being, gloved share just somehow survived the onslaught that I think a lot of people were surprised that he did survive, considering he's been put away by attacks like that from Anthony Johnson. and John Jones obviously didn't put him away, but just beat kind of beat the soul out of him. So we've seen Glover to Shere succumb to these sorts of attacks. And not only did he survive, he took Tiago Santos completely out of his game,

put him on his back, survived more onslaught after more onslaught, turned the tide, and ended up submitting him on the third round. So yeah, awesome Forensome Glover, really awesome Forensome Tiago Santos, just Glover got it done,

took Tiago right out of his element, put him on his back, and tapped them out. Casey, what did you think of this tippy top fight at 205? Because I pretty much predicted it. I mean, I thought it was going to be like a third or fourth round TKO. We ended up being a submission. So AK kind of got that one right.

But I said he'd get dropped and be in some big trouble early. But man, no matter how big those shots were early on, he just kept going for that takedown, was taking elbows to the face, kept going and finally got it transition right into mount. And the fight just kind of kept going that way through the second round. the third round it gets dropped again, I was like, oh my God, you got to be kidding me. And then turns it over, gets a submission, and we're out.

So what did you think of his performance in the fight overall? Well, we just, we saw an amazing fight. I believe it was fight of the night. Like Jose said, like that fight had everything. He had high stakes, grappling, wrestling, striking, comebacks, you know, almost finishes, you know, comebacks within rounds. I mean, that went from a 10-8 round for Santos to a 10-9 for Glover. So that was just, those, those, those, those just great rounds, you know.

And, and, but not surprised. I mean, that fight was kind of like, what, yeah, like you said, what we expected. If, if Glover was going to win that fight, that's kind of how he wins. And I thought Santos was going to, I predicted Glover was going into a decision, much, but I, but I think Santos just kind of, I think, I don't know how to say gassed out, but, man, that third round when he dropped Glover, And then he went to the ground. I was like, no, just stand him up, stand them up, man.

So just a big strategic error, I feel, from Santos. Yeah, from Santos after he dropped Glover in the beginning of the third round. But holy moly, Glover is just so good. That's all. Just maybe the most underappreciated, at least light heavyweight in all the UFC, for sure. So as you guys can probably tell, as good as the main event was, It was not the fight of the night. The fight of the night went to Hione Barcelos versus Khalid Taha, which was an excellent fight.

It was not the best fight of the night, but that's neither here nor there. Dana White did speak to ESPN after the fight, and he said, basically, he hears what Glover is saying about wanting a title shot, and he's not wrong, but that's as far as it wins. So I guess my question to you, Jose, is where does he go for here? Because it seemed like the bells and whistles were there for this fight when it was first booked until a week ago when Dana White announces. that Blohovich is going to fight Israel at Sanya. And it appears as if Glover, no matter how many fights in a row, he's won, how many finishes he's had, he's going to have to wait a little while if his next fight's going to be for the belt. So do you think he'll just wait to see how things play out here?

Does he just say, eh, you know what? I'm just going to stay active. Give me another fight. Like, what do you think's going to happen? I think a few years ago, I think he would have maybe taken a fight, maybe a fight or two, just in case someone got hurt. You could stay on schedule, maybe hopping. but he's on the wrong side of 40.

I don't think he wants to take any fights at this age and this part of his career and risk these title shots so that he's worked so hard to get. I mean, you put in all the work, you lose, you, like we've said, we've seen Glove de Chara string these wins together. And like, like, if he had beat Anthony Johnson, he probably would have fought Daniel Carmier. He's had all of these, and obviously he lost 13 seconds of UFC 202.

So that went out the window. But he's had these runs where he's one win away, and then he falls he comes up short or he gets beat by core anderson or phil davis or he get and then he has to restart and they not only do they does he have to restart he kind of gets re he starts back at the bottom like if you look at some of the fights he's taking coming off of losses they're not the biggest names they're not the most exciting names and he has to just he the UFC doesn't give him any breaks like one loss and he's all of a sudden back at the starting point so i if i'm gloved chair i don't risk this

spot. I've earned it. I've did enough. I clearly beat the number one contender. Yes, Dominic Reyes have to fight Jury Prohaska. So if Lahovic and Izzy do have to fight in March and that fight is insane and someone gets hurt, maybe Glover doesn't want to fight, maybe we wait for that fight to play out. But if I'm Glover-Teshirea, I've waited out. I've done more than enough to fight for the title at this point. Casey is Glover-Tashira's best bet that Israel-A-Sania, like, prices himself out of this title fight so that they can slide him in? Like, is that, like, the best case at area right now? I think Glover's screwed.

Yeah. I think you screwed. I just, you know, when I said that Glover may be the most underappreciated fighter and light heavyweight, that's really a euphemism for saying that the UFC just doesn't care about him. He's a really good fighter, but they're never going to give him the benefit of a doubt, I guess, you know. You know, yeah, you did lose John Jones, you know, whatever. It's been 20, 20, not 20 years. It's been a long time since that fight happened.

He has clearly earned his title shot, another shot at the crown again. But I just don't think he has the personality or just that the UFC wants to push because he's just a nice guy that beats a crap out of people. And then he doesn't talk. He just doesn't, he doesn't move that needle like the UFC wants to do. And I think I actually, I disagree with Jose. If Glover is going to get a title shot, an actual title shot, he has to make it like, it's going to some Tony Ferguson type streak.

He's going to have to fight the winner of Yeri Reyes, right? Is that, is that the fight? He's going to fight that winner, and then who knows what happens under that? Because, and now with Izzy tying up the title or potentially tying the title, I don't know, it's just crazy. Like, if Izzy wins, then the title's just going to be on hold for a while because he'll probably go back to 85. So he got John Jones

In the area He's going on to heavyway, remember? I'm going to go fight John's on the everywhere I honestly I think I think I think Lever's just screwed I just I don't think there's anything you can do to get a title shot I mean Dana if you freaking said it Oh yeah you totally earned it And that was like yeah yeah you yeah so

Hey he's not wrong he's just that that was it he's not wrong It was just funny because Glover's like Come on dude come on Dana Like you're going to give the title shot to Adasania Come on I'm 41 years old give me a shot And then he's like, you know, thank you, Dana. Thank you for giving me this opportunity. Love you, UFC.

Love you, everybody. Thank you very much. And blows everybody a kiss. It was just such a sweet move by Clubbacheira, classic Cheshara. A great win for him. We announced the fight of the night. Performances the night went to Giga, Jakadezai and Alexander Romanov. Man, I'm very excited to see Romanov and see where he goes in this heavyweight division.

But for those watch right now, leave your thoughts and questions about the card in the chat. We'll get to them very soon. but we'll talk about the co-made event, although we'll do so briefly. Andre Arlowski plays spoiler once again, earns a unanimous decision over Tanner Bozier. Certainly not the most exciting fight in the world, Jose, but Arlofsky fought very, very smart, definitely landed the bigger shots throughout the fight and got the win. So how did you score that one, Jose, and what did you think of the fight in general? Because, you know, not the best fight in the world.

I didn't really score it at all when it was happening. I just, at the end of the fight, I just like, I think Andrei Aloski won just because I remember more of what he did than what Tanner Bozer did. But it's just, that's how Andrea Arloski's wins have gone lately. Like his win against Tanner Boz is winning against Philippe Lenz, Erlins, is winning against Ben Rothwell, is one against Stefan Stroove, who was before? Was it a junior al-Beanie when he was wearing that diaper thing? So, like, those are like his last few wins, and they're all decisions, and they're heavyweight decisions. and they're not slob knockers. Like, like, we all have this rosy memory of, like, his fight against Travis Brown.

That was just insane that he won. But then, like, his last few losses have been, like, a destruction at the hands of Grysino Rosenstreet. Augusto Sakai, Walt Harris, Taitoivas, Engano, Stipe, Josh Barnett, Overeem. Like, he's losing violently and losing badly. And then he's just pulling off these decisions that aren't, like, dominant, well-put-together decision wins. he's doing just enough, which is all you need. Well, win is a win. You have the rest of your paycheck if you win.

But it is what it is. It's just, like I said, these are the type of wins. Andrei Loss who's pulling off in 2020. But again, he's on the other side of 40, and he's still winning in the UFC in 2020. So I can't knock him for what he's doing. Casey, I scored it for Tanner Bozier. And maybe just because, you know,

we do our little pickum thing on our Slack channel. And had Bozier gotten a nod, I would have a perfect night with my pick. So kind of bummed about that, be that as a May. How did you score the fight? And I guess one of the questions I had coming out of it was, do you feel like Tanner Bozer was a little starstruck here?

Because, I mean, he talked about in the media day how honored he was to fight a guy like Andrea Lovsky was going to take him very seriously. But, you know, was he like a little starstruck? I mean, we've seen this happen times before. I don't know if, I mean, Arlofsky is not, you know, steep A or D.C., but still, I mean, The guy was a former champion. He's been around a long time.

No, I don't think Starstruck is the right word for Bozer. Oh, back to the score. I did score for Arlowski. I thought basically I scored the heavier punches by Arlosski over the volume of late kicks for Bozer. And that's going to be very subjective, really. The reason why I didn't give it to Bozer because Arloxki just has a really good poker face. And even though he was eating those kicks, he wasn't showing visible damage. He wasn't limping.

He wasn't switching stance. He just seemed to eat him and move on of it. So because of that, the big punches that Roloski were landing seemed more significant. So I went damage. But I would have no issue if Bozer wouldn't have won that fight. But I did pick Arloske in my picks. So maybe, no, I didn't pick Bozger. Crap.

You're right. But no, I picked Bozzer to win a boring decision, though. I thought Bozer was, I was right in that. I thought, because Arlowski is so good at, even though he may lose the fight, he will make his opponent fight at his pace. Because maybe he's just, Arlowski's just an intimidating-looking guy.

I don't know, but guys just don't want to get knocked out by him. And Bozers just seem to be really afraid of getting knocked out, I think. And even though Arlowski in the last, shoot, when's his last, like, real finish? was that something? Rolowski? Yeah, was that to me...

The Brown one. The Travis Brown one, I said. So what? That was a decade ago? No, what? It was 2015? Yeah, it felt like a decade ago. Yeah.

So it's been over five years since, you know, so clearly, I guess the reputation as far as Arlowski having one punch, like, knockout power or something carries over. Maybe those highlight rules really work, but, yeah, it's... I think all we're going to really take away from this fight is that it's just a, uh, learning lesson for Bozer that he's just got to go for it more I guess yeah so Jose what do you like this was kind of I think the UFC kind of built this as a setup fight for Bozier to sort of get to that next level kind of test him to see where he's at is he a top 15 heavyweight can you go beyond that didn't really pass tonight's test in fact he didn't at all because he lost the

fight but where does he go from here do you think he could be a guy that yeah do you think he could be a top 10 guy or is this just not the place for him right now? Well, I mean, it's the heavyweight division in the UFC. Anyone can be a top 10. If you could string a couple wins together. But he's got to have to fight Maurice Green. I'll do your job for you for your on to the next one. Like they already have the war of words between them.

They ran in. They had that run with each other at the fighter hotel at one of their Vegas cars. They tried to fight each other on Fight Island. They tried to make that fight and didn't happen. So they're both coming off losses. So I don't see why they don't put the UFC doesn't pull the trigger now. they both wanted the fight already, and now it actually made sense then,

it makes more sense now. So, yeah, Tanner Bozer, I'm not going to say he doesn't belong in the UFC because he clearly does. He has a couple, he has some good wins, but who's he lost to? Arlofsky and, well, Seryl gone? Like, who's he losing, too?

Yeah, like really good fighters and he's beating everyone else. So, yeah, Bozer versus Murray's Green, Crochet boss is the fight to make. Yeah, I mean, obviously, I didn't mean like that, exposure is very talented. And I don't want him to take my words the wrong way because he'll come right after me and start a campaign that people hate on me on Twitter. But there are a lot of people, even though he has been against this talk for a long time now and he kind of craps on it every time he's asked about.

There's a lot of people who feel like he could drop to 205. I think it's crazy. But there are people who believe he can do that. Sure. I mean, he looks like, what is he, 6-1, 6-2, 2-30? I mean, it wouldn't be out of the question, but it's up to him. Like, I'm not going to tell him what to do. Yeah, no, no way.

And I'm not asking you to do that either, Tanner. But yes, fight more than I can. I like that. I like that idea. Maybe give him the Grand Cardi fight. Who knows? That's not a bad idea either, but. Why not do Arlowski and Greg Hardy?

They're coming off wins. Well, they're both at ATT-ish. That's true. I don't think Hardy's there anymore. Is that a team? Is that a team? Is it a bunch of guys that just train are the same roof? Yes.

well I mean we've seen it before and play my same manager yeah that's tough that's tough to do there's a much of mini camps within ATT it's such a large score right now I know what you're saying yes but I don't think I know you didn't ask me but I'm going to throw my answer in here

but I don't I don't think this is necessarily as far as how the UFC looks at Bozer I think he's pretty much just in the same position if you want to if he got his hand raised I think you know yeah bigger he got more more money a bigger paycheck but like next week we have

what's the co-main event Worthy and Arasan What's the co-main event next week? Either way, it's just two guys who are coming off or coming off losses, you know? So what's the co-main event next week? Al-Lassan versus

comma worthy. Two guys? No, versus Chaos Williams. Oh, yeah. That's a co-made event? Holy crap. Yeah, Chaos Williams. I got him confused. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, they are. I get those two confused all of the time. And their personalities could not be more different.

Okay. But, oh, okay. Well, a loss in the UFC like this, I think heavyweight, I think Bozer's fine. I think he'll get it. He'll, he's going to fight another guy, borderline top, just out of the rankings type of guy. And, yeah, I, honestly, ask me in six months who won this fight, we're not going to remember. anything from it. Fair enough, fair enough.

Before we go to the chat, I did have one question on Twitter because this gentleman at Bobby Atkins reached out. He doesn't know he's at work working the overnight shift. Good on you. Probably not going to be able to watch live, but he had an interesting question. Casey, I'm going to throw this at you first before we get to the chat. More likely 40 and over future champion. Glover Tashira, Y'all Romero, or Alist,

overreem. If you go purely on skill set, I think it's Glover. I think Glover has the best chance of actually being the best in that division. But to get the title shot, you got to put, you got to put no quote, quote, butts and seats, you know, what that term used to mean, but you got to move the needle. And Glover just doesn't move the needle for the UFC. So I just, I'll go overream. I would go to Overim. That's a really interesting question. That's really interesting. It is. Unfortunately,

politics gets thrown in there, I think. Well, I don't think Yoll and Mara was going to fight a middleweight ever again.

I have a feeling he's going to move up to light heavyway now that John Jones is out of that division. So Y'all or Mara and Glover would probably be fighting

in the same division. I don't imagine them fighting for a title anytime soon, fighting each other for a title anytime soon. So, I would say Glover

based solely on circumstances rather than the actual fight. If Izzy wins and then he doesn't want to defend, sunlight heavyweight and he just gives it up and then Glover's all of a sudden just fighting for a vacant title he could win that for sure I don't think Overeem is going to be champion but he could

fight for the I think we have a better chance of seeing Overe and fight for the title before Glover to Chera I don't think Overeuxa. So based on who could have a gold belt around their waist first I'd probably say Glover because he actually has that spot right now as he could very well be fighting for a title next. Did you just book Glover versus Yoa Romero a 205? That's what I heard. I like that fight. I mean, I'm not going to say no.

I never crossed the mind. And it's just like, oh, that's a pretty cool fight. Yeah. I mean, you all are married against anyone a light heavy way would be a fun fight. Like, it'd be interesting. Like, if they book UL against like a top fight, like if they book like YOL versus Tiago Santos and Yel all like puts them away, like he might be like automatically the next the next one.

He might even skip Glover to get the title shot just because of what's Ratchick. Ratchick is four or four. five or something like that. Four or five. If Glover is not going to, if Glover wants a fight between then and now, it'd probably be against Ratchick or if they just want to throw him, Yola Romero,

because who's after Ratchick? Jerry, he's booked. And then after that, it's like a mismash of like Vulcan, Anthony Smith, Nikita Krylov, Johnny Walker, Misha Sarkanov.

So pretty much anyone from the five up, Glover will have to fight again. Yeah. Or the winner. I think probably the winner of Reyes. versus Brashka, especially if Yuri wins. Yeah, just Rathik doesn't have a fight and I know he's, I know

he's higher than Jerry. So if they want to make like 3-4 fight or two-three fight, like if Ratchik wants, it doesn't have a fight and he fights Glover. Because I'll get, honestly, I would not, I might even favor Rashi against Glover to share just on how much of a freak that dude is inside the

inside the Octagon and how much he gets better. So I like that fight too, which is why if I'm Glover, I'm like, I'm not fighting this 28-year-old kid in his prime. You my time. title shot. Glover and Cheshire is like in the complete opposite position of Israel, Adasania a few weeks ago because Adasania, it was,

Adasania has so many options. This is great. And Tashira has so many options. And they're all bad because the lowest option right now is the title shot. It's crazy. But it is what it is. And it's a great win for him. He deserves it.

And if the UFC wants to pull an audible, I would not complain, but I doubt that that's going to happen. So why don't we check in? Oh, God. I don't think. they're going to have Glover to share because, as Casey described, he's just a nice guy who's a good fighter, doesn't talk trash, and doesn't move the needle. The only other person that's like that in the top five is the champion.

John Blahubin. So I don't think they're going to pull Israel out of sign who's probably the most exciting fighter across the board in terms of fighting style and personality to book John Bolhovic and Glover to share. awesome fight. Any of those fights are awesome, but come on. They would do all their talking head promos like side by side with their arms around each other. It would be the friendliest to a fight of all time. 100%. I mean, I like that fight.

I hope you have a great camp. I hope your family's great. Winner lose, high fives. Winner lose. Merry Christmas. Yes. Winner lose.

Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah. Then tonight for like a night that I felt like, I don't think UFC's ever done it, but instead of any performance awards, I feel like it should have been just two fight of the nights. I felt... Did you Chacadzzi, I would have given a performance.

For who? The head kick knockout? That was nasty. It was nasty, but that was a showcase fight against a guy. You come in a week's notice? Yeah, and I just think Giga, because he has such a high pedigree in kickboxing, and you've seen all of his post-by press conferences after,

because I'm such a mark for Gigature Katz. I mean, I think he's great, yeah. I'm, like, I was such a fan of him in, when he was in glory, that I've been at his last few post-fight scrums, and he's pissed. He's, like, visibly mad at his performance because he doesn't finish his opponent. So now that he finally has one,

I think the UFC just gave him performance bonus just because it's about annoyed he's been every single time. I just feel bad for Barcellos and Taha. Just, that was such a good fight. It's just, it was just, Great, but the reason I love fights like that, because you're looking at these guys fight, and it's still highly technical. But you look at their eyes, like, these guys are, like, fighting as if they're about to die in there. Like, they're a fight for the death.

You just get that feeling. Like, no matter where, like, Ta-ah's just taking all these punches. Like, dude, Tau, you are way too tough, man. You need to go down. And then he's still putting a good hurt in back on Barcello. So, man, I just feel bad for, like, Ta-ha. He just got half his paycheck. I think nothing.

I hope UFC drops it. Well, he, they got, they got performance bonus, right? Yeah, you got 50 Gs. Who? You got 50 Gs for fight of the night. Taha and Taha. Yeah, that was fighting the night. I'm sorry, I'm Sontas then.

Yeah. Well, I want Sontas to make more money and stuff. I mean, I just, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I would like, I just, I feel like it was a double fight. There's a double fight at the night night. Yeah. In Taha, I think that's the tight. Like, if he's going to lose, that's a formance you need.

Because remember his last fight. He missed a white. and he popped. He missed weight, he lost, and he lost, yeah. Oh.

So, like, and so he hasn't fought a long time. Oh, and, like, that's the fight you need. You come off,

you lose, you need that performance. Like, because, like, the commentators are saying, like, like, Taha didn't lose any credibility

in the eyes of the fans after that performance. That, like, come, well, if he's going to lose, that's how he lose, especially after your last performance.

So I can't remember if he lost, but I know he was, he won, I won, it's a no contest. It's a no contest now, He missed weight and popped. So he like gets fines, doesn't get his win bonus.

And he's out forever. So yeah, good on him for putting out a good fight. What do you pop for? It was a banned substance. I know that. I don't know what the actual. It wasn't like it. I don't think it was a diuretic or anything.

But I'm not, again, I'm not a hundred people. Okay. Just one. Just, I know if it was like a weed thing in one of those. No. Don't even get all right. It was, he took, oh, maybe it is. He took medicine.

to reduce swelling. So it was a bad substance, but I don't think it was a PED. Yeah, it turns out if you take Advil, you're done, yeah, some one of those things. I got you. Question? Should we go to the peeps?

Yeah. Let's go to the peeps. Yes, sir. Man, good fights tonight. Good fights. It was a good card. Though, I was looked like, I felt like the prelims were dragging.

And then I remember, I'm like, every single fight has been a stoppage, why is it taking forever? And then I realized there was like three third round stoppages. So it felt like they were all decisions. Yeah. The pacing was a little off too.

It was. It's having two. Oh, God. That's funny. I don't want to laugh, but geez. Seniors. It's having two ears overrated.

That was nasty. pretty nasty stuff. That was Ramiz. Is that his name? Yeah. Yeah. Man, Ramiz had a bad guy. Good performance of Mac.

Two groin shots. He had two growing shots. He was dry heaving in the cage. His face was all busted up. And then he lost in here. Yeah, it was bad. That was reminiscent of Johnny Campbell. When you saw that?

I was like again It sounds like MMA I was like wow It was the same exact thing I was just like oh man Just like Johnny Campbell It was like exactly the same thing Your ears just hanging off

So from an elbow too Like just just gnarly My favorite part was when the ref stopped the fight And Ramiz was like what what what Why are they stopping it And why he's going like this His ears going bloop bloop bloop I was like oh

Yeah I had to look at him up Because I didn't know who he was I recognize the name. I couldn't remember if it was because he had fought in the U.S. before because I watched a prelim fight. He hasn't fought in like more than in almost two years or something like that. That was like his first year. It was like his U.C. debut.

The last time he fought, Casey Kenney was headlining the LFA card. I looked it up. Now Casey Kenney had like four wins in the U.S. since then. So, yeah, he's been out for a minute. I don't know what four, but to be out for that long and come back and have your ear ripped off. sucks that sucks his debut got like booked and rebooked like three or four different

times too so Max Griffin looked really good tonight like he kept switching stances he's very active wrestling defense is really good although Ramiz didn't really shoot for any takedowns which is super surprising because that's what he does he takes you down and submit you

a good win for Max do we think Dana changes his mind in books to share versus Blajovich or will Dana do Izzy versus Jan? Because in my mind, he needs coaches for tough 30. I don't think either of those options are going to be tough 30 coaches. I mean, if you want to do Izzy and maybe John Jones, that's something.

I honestly think they're going to do Colby and Mazadol as the coaches. I would put a lot of money on. Yeah, that's what I think will end up happening. But we'll see, I don't even know how they're going to pull this off in a pandemic. I know bubble and hotel and all that stuff, but like, is Colby and Mazza all going to be there too? Like, are they going to be in the gym with these guys? They're going to be on a screen doing like Zoom calling coaching. Like, how is this all going to work?

That's what I'm curious about. But to answer your question, Joseph, at least from my opinion, I'll get your take. I don't think there's any chances happens unless Izzy just wants like, quote unquote, Deontay Wilder money and doesn't get it. That's other than that, I don't see Dana changing his mind. Any, what would you rate it from like one to ten, Jose, that Dana actually has a change of heart and goes with meritocracy here? Zero. Zero.

You're very rare at the zero percent. Zero percent. I bet if anything Glover to share could wane as a replacement like Michael Chandler? Because remember, I was talking with, who was it, Rick Lee, who works in the behind the scenes of the UFC, I was talking with him for a little bit. And remember when Brad Tavares fought Izzy? Chicago Santos weighed in as a replacement in case Brad Tavares couldn't fight. So we were that close to getting an Israel out of signing in Santiago Santos at middleweight for five rounds. So I bet they could do that.

I bet Glover could weigh in as a backup for one of them, like Michael Chandler and like 14 other people happen to do that same card. And like we were finding out as the Wayans were going on. So yeah, I could see Glover maybe doing that. But I don't think they're going to officially make Blaovich versus Cheshire because champion against top billing and Yon versus Izzy because it'd be for light heavyweight so Izzy would still get the blue corner. So yeah, they're not going to book an official. If anything to share, it'll probably be a replacement.

Stand by. Standby fighter. Make to share the special guest referee. Then we get all three. I will, dude. I feel like if there's one guy in the light of a heavy weight division, that would be a good referee. It would be gloved to share. And he would be fair.

I think he would be fair. 100%. He's also like, you're going to argue? Like, he's like, say something. Say something. But then he'll help you up, you know. He'll help you up. You know, he'll, I don't know.

I mean, I, unfortunately, I think to Cherer, he will be used as a leverage by the, by, by, by Dana. So like, whatever is he, hey, Izzy's like, I want this amount of money. And he was like, well, he's like, ah, to Sherro would take it for this amount, you know. And he'll, that's the only reason I see. to share getting this fight. Like Gilbert Burns? No, and I'm going to

Gilbert Burns. I'm thinking Eubanks. Remember when Eubanks and Shepchengal were going to headline MSG? Mm-hmm. Something like that. Yeah. Because I wrote that story where Sajara went off

on Dana White. She was telling the story of how she called Dana White from like a parking lot and was like pacing the parking lot, screaming at him. And Dana was like, God damn. Like, let's get her. And then she missed weight. Oh, yeah. God. Yeah, it's just, I don't think it's going to happen, unfortunately, but we'll see. What else we got? Here's a little preview for on to the next one. How about Giga Chikaze versus Ryan Hall?

Chikaze is looking to stay active. Hall is healed up for his injury. Let's make it happen. I'm a no as well. No, I don't want to see Chikaze. Like, Giga Chikaze was talking about Arnold Allen. You started off talking about Arnold Allen. I was like, I wasn't. That's an awesome fight. Both guys undefeated in the UFC, like in the prime of their careers. Like they're awesome to propel them moving forward. He's like, Arnold Allen was supposed to fight Jeremy Stevens. And then Jeremy Stevens fell out. So Arnold Allen didn't have an opponent.

So maybe I should fight Jeremy Stevens next. And I was like, what a stupid callout? Call out Arnold Allen if you're going to do that, the undefeated fighter. Or fight Edson Barbosa. I've been saying that since Edson Barbosa dropped down to Featherweight, I've been won in that fight. And Gagia Chikazzi called him out, and then they fought on the same card twice, twice, and they haven't fought each other? Come on, make that fight. Give it to me.

Here's what's going to happen, okay? Because I thought Giga was brilliant with the call-up because he said, I offered, because he was offered the fight with Arnold Allen. When Stevens dropped out, and that's the reason Gigi even got on this card because he was offered the fight with Arnold Allen. There you go. Because Alan's supposed to fight Stevens on this card. and Alan, because I've talked to members of his team, and he said, listen, we got off for the fight, but we're undefeated in the UFC, we're top 10,

we want a rank guy. Like Stevens is a rank guy. That makes sense. So I would rather wait a month. Like if I have to wait a month for Stevens to come back, I'll do that. We want Barboza. We'll do that.

If we have to wait until December to do it, that's fine. But if we don't get a ranked opponent on a week's notice, we're not taking the fight. And you can't blame them for that. So what I think it's going to end up happening is, I think Barbosa versus Allen and then we do Chikaze versus Stevens because that's a winnable fight for Giga

he's going to get a guy that's going to stand and bang with him it's a top 10 guy yeah he doesn't have a lot of wins he's been finished a couple of times but still that's a good name to have on the resume that puts you in the rankings and that puts you right in the top 10

and then you can book Alan for Chikaze if you want to you're talking about Jeremy Stevens yeah Giga versus Steven I like to call I thought it's perfect because I think he knows he's not getting a war on a war on fight right now I want Jeremy Stevens to fight Shane Burgos.

I selfishly don't want that fight. I want that fight more than Giga and Jeremy Stevens, or Ryan Hall versus Jeremy Stevens. Giga versus Jeremy Stevens is nothing for me. I get it. There are so many other fights I want. Of everyone we named, I'd have so many more matchups I'd want besides Giga and Jeremy Stevens. But Jeremy Stevens will fight anyone and made it had a really bizarre callout on Twitter.

So I'm sure that fight is going to happen. What was it? What was it? Bud cheeks. What do you know? Budgeeks. Butcheeks. I love the term butt cheeks.

I'll take that by butt cheeks. I had to read that multiple times. I was like, what? I was really hoping it wasn't autocorrect. Someone was like, is this an auto correct? I'm like, God, I hope not. I really hope this just becomes like added to the lexicon. I love it.

I hope he does all the media day interviews and calls him butt cheeks all the whole time. I'm going to knock butt cheeks out in the first round. You'll see. Let's go butt cheeks. Come on. Come on, bro. that was very that those of maybe the best acceptance of a fight on twitter of all time and it took him like he did it a matter of seconds it was like 30 seconds of the call we got the butt cheeks call so

i think that's i think that's the fight they're going to make him yeah i think it's i think it's a good one yeah um and and obviously chikiga jikiga chikaze He's he's um yeah I hope the Stevens fight happens because we all know he's scared of Ryan Hall so yeah he's ducking Ryan Hall everyone's ducking on the entire division I am ducking Ryan Hall

Have you seen Ryan Hall on social media? He wants the Dan Ege fight he wants it bad That makes sense It does make sense I like it I don't hate it I think we're going to end this one's a real quick one It's not about tonight's card but if Leon Edwards can't get in the USA

what do you think about Michelle Pahara versus Hamzat Shemayev? Love it. I'd love to see it. They won't do it. Yeah, it just won't happen. But I'd love to see it. They wanted, last I heard they wanted Michelle Paredada

versus Anthony Pettis. Yeah, cool. Yes, I believe that's... I believe they offered it's Anthony Pett. I believe they offered it's Anthony Pettis. He said no. And then they offered Michelle Paredes someone else and Michelle Paredes and said no.

And then they offered some, Anthony Pettas, someone else, and he said no. So then they all just ended up back to Anthony Pettus and Michelle Pareda. So then everyone just kept saying no, so they just went back to the original fight they wanted. I don't know how bad it.

Go ahead. I don't know how bad his injury is, but I would love to see Michelle Pereira versus Robbie Lawler. That would be fun. I just think it's a, I think that's a good point in both their careers. So that's a fight.

I'm kind of like, you want to see. And of course, I know when I can, get up we're going to get Michelle Pereira versus a dude I go oh yeah I think I've seen that guy fight one of those fights I think

I think Neil Maggie would get the backup shot I hope so I hope he's ready and willing and able I mean that they did everything in their power not to give him the fight so if Leon can't get there I think you just you have no choice you gotta get somebody in there and Neil will take it in a second

I thought I was I was I bet they offered Hamzot Jack Hermanson, a middleweight. You want to fight Jack Hermanson the week before? Yeah, they could have. Like a couple weeks before, that's a middleweight fight. That would have been a scrap too. I bet they would have, but they're probably not sure if the part of the Leon Edwards thing is still up in the air.

I would think you can't just scrap that yet, but that would be pretty awesome. Come on. What happens to the boldness that Dana used to have for Hamzad? Like, he shouldn't have just kept the Edwards-Hamsat fight down the line. just book Hermanson versus Hamzat next, was it two weeks from now, three weeks from that? When is that fight? It's like beginning in December.

Yeah. September 5th. Just double book it now. Just double book him. Like, come on. Ah, come on. That's an interesting fight though. Hamzaa versus Hermanson.

Yeah. That'd be really interesting. Should Janjan get a shot at Wey-Jang in the UFC women's strawweight title? No, she should not. She looked good tonight, but awesome tonight. One more fight. Not yet. She looks awesome, but not yet.

She's not even ranked. She has, or she is ranked. Ranked. I mean, I was going to have, I'm not. She's not like top five yet is what I was going to say. She's not top five yet. So she's like right on the outside. I would like her to fight the winner of Hebas and Waterson, maybe.

Yeah. I think you give her a Sparza. Asparza is the one. Asparza just pulled out of the Hebas fight, right? Is Sparza hurt? Yeah, so she had some small injuries. They were going to try to book it on the December 12th pay-per-view, but she wanted to wait like another month.

And then at that point, like the plan was to keep hebas on the card. And then they booked hebas for the next month, which Asparza apparently was going to be ready for. So obviously the ship has sailed. They went with Waterson. That leaves Asparza free. You could do Jan-N versus Asparza. And then you could have the winners fight.

I don't know. 15 is just so good, man. It's just such a good division. Yeah, I think obviously, Jan Jan Jan Jan. How do we say her name again? Jan Jahn. Jan Jahn. Jan Jahn.

Jan Jahn. Oh, how do you say it? Esther Linn with the guest appearance. Shaon. Shownon? All right. Yon. You can go back and watch our interview with Jan Jowna.

Yeah. I remember the office. We interview. We, yeah, we interviewed her and I said, can you please pronounce your name for us? If she was more than happy to, so it's out there. It's on tape her pronouncing her name. I think, but basically I think for tonight, she, we know now that she is an elite straw weight. That's about it.

You know, we know, I don't think she's going to get a title shot. I think she needs one, probably two fights because of how thick the division is at the top. But unless she gets a big, like, knockout finish over to say asparza in the next fight. but man Wiley versus Janan it would be freaking awesome if times are different maybe in six months

nine months if they can have that fight in China I mean who knows man that would be super cool but yeah I'm just excited to see another big player in the strawweight division yeah because yeah I mean

Waley is going to fight Rosnam and you and his next probably early 2021 I would assume on the next flight island trip yeah once they go back there January February ish I'm hoping February to March yeah well who knows who knows who knows yeah who knows how it's going because the election happened so

the virus who knows how it's going to work good performance though she looked good awesome awesome awesome performance marina Rodriguez is still sitting somewhere in there right isn't she like in the top 10 she might even be above Johnna like that just be a fun striking fine yeah that's a good one yeah that's a good one I'm sorry, what did you say? I missed that. Yeah, she's nine.

She's nine. She's nine. Yeah. I guess this is a fun striking matchup. It's fun. Yeah. Is that possibly one of the unique, most unique chokes you have ever seen done by Alexander Romanov chokes that come to mind is the twister or the Ezekiel choke? It's a unique.

I mean, outside of, yeah, I mean, it's, it's. It's unique because I just haven't seen it really. You know what I mean? Have you seen that before, Casey? Yeah. It's a, yeah. In the MMA, it's very rare in MMA. It's a very strength choke.

It's one of those, because, like, you know, most chokes have to get you on both sides. It's a choke and it's only on one side. So you're usually not going to get that early in a fight when a guy has lots of energy because it's more, it's just kind of like a big brother F.U. You know, because you just kind of stand above. You're like, yeah, you're going to tap up. out and you don't really it's a slow chug and it's just kind of it just it sucks just have a giant man just pressing down on your neck like that um but most fighters at this level i'm uh i'm not

trying to uh who would who do you submit uh delima delima you can say it yeah yeah if you know you know professional fighters you get submitted with that in the ufc yeah i mean unless you're really like getting beat up like 10-8ed and then you know you're just you know bloody Or you just get caught off guard. Yeah. Because like you just might not be. Like you're just like, oh, like, it to me when I was watching it, he like started for it.

I'm like, what is he doing? And then all of a sudden he taps him. I was like, I bet Delima just was like unprepared like totally caught off guard with that submission. Yeah. It's, it's, it's an embarrassing one. It's an embarrassing submission to get caught in, honestly. Yeah.

I wouldn't compare it to the twister though. No, no. Ezekiel choke maybe because it can be slapped on. like so quickly. The twister has like steps you have to go through while the Ezekiel choke, you just kind of like grab the neck and squeeze and this one you just push. So it's basically the twister except instead of getting your hand on like the other side, you just slam your forearm into the throat. But Romanov has done this before, right? He has like three missions like that. So obviously it's something he goes to. And I think he goes to it because I think honestly

people forget about it. People forget the train for it. And, he just knows where it's at and he just hits it right there and by time you go oh crap i had to get out of this it's too late and it's clearly a big man that's on you so um it's like it's gonna become like von like von fluchel with osp or alexiolinic with the ezekiel like once you see it you're like oh i'll never get caught and then he does it again and you're like all right now everyone now everyone in the division's going to be training it that's why you don't see any more go-go chokes you You don't see any more Von Flu chokes. You don't see any more Ezekiel chokes.

Because now you get to that upper echelon of that division and everyone's just ready for it. What do we think about Romanov? He's awesome. I love him. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah, that's all. He's like sneakily in really good shape too.

Yeah. I just, um, dude, I got a kick. I just want to give big props to Dominic Cruz and I thought he did him and Annick in the boots tonight. I thought were just, they flowed perfect. They were talking about the right things And maybe because it was just good fights It was easy, but I thought, I thought just Cruz did a great technical breakdown

the entire night. I was like, oh yeah, that's yeah, yeah, yeah, everything. And Trevor Whitman, I thought it was great too. What fight with Trevor Whitman kick? You jump in a lot. The Wemann, the Arlowski fight, he talked a lot because he's like, he's like, why is it, why are they telling Arlowski's doing a good job

they need to tell them to push the pace and stuff like that? Like he would openly. question. I think Dominant Cruz benefits from having just two men. And like, it's just him and one other person. I think he benefits greatly from that. So it's not three people talking. Yeah. Yeah. I read it. I just, um, I just really like, yeah. And it was Annick, right? It was Anna. Yeah. And also, like, Annick is never really does fight nights anymore. I know if Fitzgerald was sick. So like, Annaick got tossed in with Dom and Annick and Dom are like they've been, they started off pretty much doing it together. So they're, those guys don't need to prepare.

for each other whatsoever. So I know a lot of people don't like Dom doing it. A lot of people think Anik is annoying, but together I don't think anyone should be able to complain. Yeah. I think that's the best combination. Yeah. I really like D.C.

I love D.C. too. I love D.C. No, I love D.C. He has a different funnier. He has a more comedic tone. And I love D.C. too. But just I think Dom and Anik,

like, I think for like martial arts nerds, you know, like fight nerds, I think Dom is kind of the, guy to go to because he doesn't oversell anything. He's just like, oh, that's smart. I like that. That's exciting. You know, like, when, you know, like, Rogan and D.C.

Sometimes they, they get Bisbing, you know, they get excited, which is fun. You know, they're almost like fans watching fights and every once in a while, they'll give you analysis, but for the most part, they're like, oh, my God, he's hurt. But, uh, I, I just, I like, I think DC is the, like, I agree

with you 100% that for, like, the hardcore nerds, cruise is amazing. Yeah. If there's a big pay-per-view, D.C. is the guy. Because you don't have to know anything about MMA and D.C. can just make you excited about anything wild type. Exactly. It's a different thing. The reason I brought that up, because I noticed how happy Dominic Cruz was just talking about when Romanov did that take down.

He tossed his coach. He's like, did you see how just perfectly, how perfect technique that was? That was a man, he was so impressed by that. I was like, oh, you're so cute, Dom. You're so cute. yeah Cruz is great on those fight nights remember when Joe Selecki submitted Austin Hubbard I think it was

and he walked everybody through like what Hubbard needed to do what Selecki was doing so great until he locked on the standing rare naked choke like I thought that was such but then you remember you've seen that video of Habibri talking to DC about Dominic Cruz where because do you remember when Dominic Cruz

Dominic Cruz was on commentary during Habib McGregor and there was the moment and I think one of the rounds where Habib is just on top, just punching holes through Conner's head. This rain and Dominic Cruz is like, Connor's making him tired by dodging by doing all this. He's making him tired.

And everyone in the comment, Twitter was like, what are you like? No, Conner's not doing this purpose, bro. And then there's a video, I think it was like one of those vlogs that follows the A.K.A.A. guys around. And Habib is like, D.C., come here. He's like, tell your boy, Dominic.

And then as soon. as he said it, D.C. just started laugh, but he's like, what is this? Like, he makes me tired by me punching him? What is this? I never, I think I heard this. He's like, tell your boy, tell your boy. I'll send you to you after.

He's like, oh, I'll tweet. He's like, tell your boy, tell your boy, like, what is this? I punch him head. He makes me tired. Come on. Hey, Dom's a great. You can't get them all right. You can't.

No, you can't. You can't get him all right. I was a three-man, both, that. Yeah. I also don't think they wanted to just have Conner just get his ass and beat. So they were looking at. for anything positive to say. Yeah, I get, yeah.

Like I said, that was the truck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? And also, I remember that that was a, that was a packed arena, too, 90% Conner fans. So, uh, I can see the, uh, you know, the, the, the emotion and the energy kind of sway you back when people were allowed to go to fights.

That was strange. That's that Tucson education, bro. Not like up here in Phoenix. Um, I don't know this question. is was referring to because I didn't watch it but tell me if you can tell me what it means. What did you think of Arlofski's post-fight talk? Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.

That's a guy. There you go. What did you think of Arlowski's post-fight talk said he didn't want to engage in the wars he had before and mentioned Dana's names seemed quite angry about the pressure to put on wild exciting fights. I will say, if this is from the scrum,

then I didn't see it because I think it was happening as we were on. so I mean Okay, am I just not Yeah I mean I don't disagree with him Like he's just fighting He's fighting smart now

Fying smart You're on the wrong side of 40 At heavyweight Like Come on get your full page check Just go and win Yeah exactly And he's probably

He probably cleared a good amount tonight Like when we went Too 50 For UFC 2 was it 244 Was that the BMF fight At MSG? Yeah It was me, Casey, Danny and Esther were covering that fight, Danny Segura.

And we were making picks, and Giresigno was fighting Arloski. And I remember Casey's like, why is Arloski fighting this guy? Like, no one knows who he is. I'm like, that dude's going to destroy Andre Arlowski. And Danny was like, that dude's a monster. And that's exactly what happened. And then Arloski's like, I didn't even know anything about him. I just showed up to fight.

And I have a feeling that was a huge wake-up call for Aralof. that you can't just show up and fight no name heavyweights, especially Giazino Rosenstreet. Like you Google his name, you see his kickboxing record. And he walked in there just like, there's the photo that Esther took of Arlowski, just like his butt is in the air.

Oh, and his face is down. And Giazio was just like, what? Like, that's what happens, man. And like, don't, don't,

you can't. And so, like, since then he's had all these, like, meticulous fights. He's not going in there to take risk. just taking every place.

That's who exactly who are a lot, if we look at Arlossi's comment about, you know, Dana, I guess, seems like there's some behind this thing, shenanigans or like, hey, you need be more exciting. But this is exactly why Arlowski is in the UFC still at his pay rate too,

because like the UFC book, Jarzino versus Andre, because you got to be the name to be a name. Who has, like, Arlowski? No, it didn't happen tonight, but yeah, that's who Arloskey is. Arlofki is. Like, Steve Amy Ocich got his title shot against Verdume by beating Arlowski.

Francis Ghanu fought Arlowski when he was coming off those like three wins in a row and just crushed Arlowski. Like Arlowski's pretty much been fed to the top five of heavyweight right now. Everyone in the top five, three minutes made a name off off of Arlowski. And they're trying to do that still. Like I guarantee you if Arlowski wins another fight and Cyril Gan beats J.D.S. they're going to make Cyril Gondon Andrei Arlowski because that's exactly the matchmaking. I'm surprised they didn't make that already

because that's exactly the type of matchmaking the UFC won. They're not going to give Andrei Aloski Blackar Ivanov because he beats him. What does that do for the UFC? They want Andre Alas who be a stepping stool for these young heavyweights. I know who he's going to get next.

He's going to fight Romanoff next. Possibly. There you go. Young heavyweight. Greg Hardy or Romanoff. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, Romanoff's the fight.

I hope the UFC is behind Romano because I dig him. I like him. I like him a lot. And like, don't get me wrong. Like, Andre, Alaski versus any of those names is a fun fight. But you got to know what they're trying to do. Like, Frankie, my number one, Frankie fought Yairair, Frankie's like, yeah, the UFC wants me to lose. I know that.

They want Yaya to win. I'm just going to not let that happen. I agree. And then Frankie didn't treat him accordingly. You just head as a basketball. Yeah, pretty much. But thank you for the question, Jake. Yeah, I have to go back and watch it.

But listen, he has every right to say that, if that's how he feels. But you probably just got Romanov. You probably just pissed Dana off and now he's going to feed you to Elgin'Roman off. Is Dana Talk at the post-fight press conference? If he doesn't, typically speaking, if he doesn't come first, he ain't coming. And it seems like he ain't coming tonight. I have a feeling he's not because he spoke at the last contender series. so I think he's at the point where if we get him

on Fight Island the media there would be like well he just spoke to it to the press conference so he's probably not going to speak to us now he just spoke to us after Wayans he's probably not going to speak to us now so you can you can kind of gauge when Dana's going to talk and when he's not based on when

if he had talked that week already yeah I think there's a lot of questions with the election yeah with the election results you kind of expected it yeah yeah I really oh it's official Huh?

Nothing. I was just being a joke. Hey, stick to spraughts. Stick to spraughts. What's next for Trevin Giles? Good win. Good win? That was a good win.

I think he's just back in middle of the pack, you know, just... I think you stay ready. I think you stay ready in case any of these fights fall out. Yeah. middleweight. Yeah. Who's, who's Buckley

fighting next? He's fighting Jordan Wright. Buckley versus Giles is fun. If John went. Yeah. Jordan

or Kevin Holland gets absolutely. If Kevin Holland gets just pieced up by Jack Remancy,

why not just rebook that fight? That was the original fight? Yeah, I was no, Trevin Jiles is the one

that passed out before I kept right, right at the walkout. It was Holland. Okay, I didn't know who his opponent was. I can't remember who the opponent was. I think, I think,

Trevin Giles, I think he's kind of at the point in the UFC where good for him, he got to win. It seems pretty, hopefully, it seems pretty clear from my non-medical eyes that whatever happened before was just a freak thing and he's good to go.

And yeah, I just, we'll see him again in a few months, you know, and we'll see what happens then. But I don't really think he's at a point where, yeah, he's got to fight this guy, you know, Yeah. Maybe like a Maki Patolo. Around there.

Yeah. Something like that. Around there. What about Darren Stewart? He just lost to Kevin Holland. Yeah. Close fight. Real.

And then a fun fight. Yeah. And Darren wants to keep on fighting. Yeah. And Sang and I would be a scrap too. Duran win. Does he have a fight? Yeah, he's fighting Braganato.

Is he off suspension? Is he off suspension? Yeah, she's fighting December 19th. Oh, wow. Okay. I didn't know that. I think it was retroactive. Like, so.

One of those things. Okay. He'd already been like, discerved most of it by the time they announced it. You could give him Phil Haas. Ooh. Ooh. There you go. There we go.

There we got it right there. Thank you. Now I have. Now, now I have, you know, the bad guy hands. The Scott Hall. That was it. That was the answer. There you go.

There you go, Mr. Panza. versus anybody, man. Yeah. Something in that range, though. Real quick, real quick. Thoughts on, yeah, let's go to this one. Thoughts on the next pay-per-view car. Let me just pull it up real quick.

If we're talking, if we're talking sizzle, not the best. It just isn't. I mean, let's just be honest. But if we're talking like people who love watching like really good fights, I think it's a really good card. 255 you're talking about? 255, yes. I don't hate it, man.

I'll watch Shogun who will fight any day of the week. Okay, let me ask a question real quick. We're looking at this as journalists. Look at this as just a dude sitting on a couch with $70 in his hand. that's how you have to kind of see these. I think you got you got to look at them differently than fight nights. It's a tough one. I mean,

I got to be honest. Like, I'm excited. I want to see Valencia. I love seeing Shepjinko fight. I love seeing dominant fighters dominate. I want to see if Maya can do it. I'm interested in Alex Perez and Figurado.

Yeah, you know, and there's an open renalo Roval. That's ridiculous fight. Ridiculous fight off. But it's, are you going to tell your buddies to pay $70, Is this one have Mike Perry on the card? It says Perry and Simmons.

It's on the main card too. No, Perry and Means is... I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. But no, because Laura is supposed to read the pay-per-view. So that means the Cowan, and Cynthia Calvio fights on this card too? Yes.

That's on the main card. This is a really good fight. So you know what I noticed? Moreno and Royval, not on the main card anymore. I wouldn't be supposed. They're putting Perry Means on the, on the graphic time, they put Perry Means on the main card. And Moreno Reveau got knocked down.

You have a flyweight title fight, and you have the load it up with, you know that fight's going to freaking rule. You just know it. And I don't, like, seriously, that's a guaranteed awesome fight, Moreno Reval. Guaranteed.

There's no way that fight sucks. You put it in the main card. You showcase. these freaking fly weights. Don't put fucking Mike Perry on the main time. I was having a good day. I was having a good day. That's,

they're going to put Morano-Royval probably be the featured fight. That's going to be the, oh yeah, you don't like the 25ers? You best buy this pay-per-view now because these two are just going to beat the brakes out of each other.

That's going to be a great fight. I can't wait for that one. If it's the main event on the prelims, you know, which actually is what the most people, It has the most literal eyeballs watching. Actually, hold on. Wait.

It's not ESPN. It's ESPN 2 prelims. Oh, ESPN 2, ESPN Plus. So it's not even big ESPN prelums. Oh, man. It's the dose. Yeah.

At least it's not on the Ocho, you know. Listen. It's, I don't think it's, I think it's going to be a fun card. Okay. The steak is going to be delicious. I love, I'm really excited selfishly for the Shogun Paul Craig rematch.

That's fun. Because I love Shogun. And Paul Craig is, you never know what you're going to get. He could be losing for two rounds and four minutes and 59 seconds and somehow win. So I always watch Paul Craig fight. And then Lipski and Shippchenko's on that card too then, right? Yeah, Lipski and Shibankis on the card. The very beautiful Alan Joban is back.

against Jared Gooden. Yeah. And Buckley, Jordan, right? Yeah, there's fun fights on the prelims, the free fights. Kyle Dawkins. Yeah, Kyle Dawkins is on that card. He's awesome. Yeah, he is.

Louis Cozy makes his UFC debut. Tell me about him. I don't know anything about him. He's one of the brothers that won on the Contender Series. They both got him to the card. I think his brother's fighting, like, I think he's on the December card. This one just got added. Sasha.

Do you is, is 256 better? Though? Oh, we do. I think it, obviously the top two fights are clearly better. The top two fights are clearly better. I mean,

I'm going to go out without actually looking at it. I'm going to say yes. It's a champ. It's two tile fights. You got Nunes, Megan Anderson, and then like the Coleman event is worth the price anyway.

It's Sterling and it's Jan versus Sterling. Hmm. Okay. Votori, B.S zero gun. Casey, that's McKenzie Dern versus John Derova. Oh, that's on that card.

Okay, yeah, thanks pay-per-view rules. Very excited about that. Chase Hooper versus Peter Barrett, Tisha Torres, Angela Hill, Billy Kiwin, Gavin Tucker. Yeah, Gavin Tucker. It's a good scrap. You know what?

I'm not going to shit on this pay-per-view too much coming up, the 255 because the original booking was Figurato Garbrant, which would have been very interesting. So, I can't fault. That's just bad luck by the UFC. you know, it just happens.

It's unfortunate because when that fight was announced, everyone was like, oh, Alex Perez deserves it more. Alex Perez deserves it more. And now he has a fight. And everyone's like, oh, man, Cody Garber. I would have been more interesting. Well, I think we didn't think it was going to be main event for pay-per-view. I figure it's one of those fight night main events or co-main for a pay-per-view.

I think, yeah, just we like Alex Perez, but I don't think the fan base is used to shelving out $70 a fight as a problem. maybe we'll have Shorty Torres on the A's side considering he fought Alice Perez and this is his weight class All right yeah I miss Shorty Yeah good call All right He's doing good

Yeah I just There's a lot of people who are like Think that Chifchenko should have got the main event spot That could have done something But I think from honestly last thing I'll say I think competitive from a competitive standpoint I think Perez versus Figuado is the better fight Agreed

Just based on their styles I think Figaro would have been Garbrand pretty easily. Not easily, but I think you would have finished them. But that's just me. I agree. I agree the men's flyweight fight. Should it should be headlining over the ladies fight just because of the competitive nature.

But who knows, man? You know what? Shevchenka has she been in a great fight? Like a great back and forth fight? I know she's been a close fight. but she's been you know just like oh my god she just doesn't have that not that's not in her but she hasn't had a war right i'm not am i missing am i forgetting one it's just the nunez fights were and those aren't wars yeah they were close high level fights but yeah so who knows that's just

i'm being very optimistic that this is going to be just overall i'm hoping yeah what else you got people tell me do you see anything in the comments should be brought up I don't see anything let me just look and see if we got anything on Twitter general questions about just

yeah someone wants to add that the prelims are going to be on ESPN too because of college football will be on ESPN so next I think because next week's card is kind of blah.

I mean, I like Machachov versus RDAA. Razak Alassan versus Chaos Williams co-main event. Julian Marquez, Saperbegg, Safferoff, Dantel Mays, Rocky Martinez, Antonio Royo versus Eric Anders. That's interesting. Kay Hansen versus Corey McKenna, Ashley Yoder, Miranda Granger,

Alex Marano, Reese McKee, Louis Smolka, Jose Cignones, random Marcos versus Canaco Marrata, and Tony Gravely versus Geraldo de Freitas. That's the card next week. Not a, and we lost Brian Barbarina versus Daniel Rodriguez today. Yeah, I saw that.

What was wrong with Mr. Barbarina? Yeah, some sort of, non-COVID related, luckily. I think we're not. No, yeah, not going to be lucky. Let me dig through it and see if we got it. Internal bleeding from a couple of ruptured arteries in his omentum. All right.

Once I find out what the omenum is. The omenum is a large flat adipose tissue layer nestling on the surface of the intro paranoid organs besides fat storage, Omentum has key biological functions and immune regulation and tissue regeneration. So I have no freaking idea. Thank you, Dr. I have no idea. I was going to say it's some, I was going to guess it's somewhere in the stomach,

but it is stomach liver and it wraps around the intestines. Oh, Jose, you muted, I think. Can you hear Jose? Yeah, he's muted. Are you muted, Jose? Super muted. Unbelievable muted. definitely muted

oh am I bet what there you go anything a story of your life I didn't even touch anything it was working yesterday

and it the Cote Jose Young's curse continues yeah oh you don't even know we don't have to get there's so many more things that have happened

I'll tell you about another time are you just got a whole podcast of your bad love yeah dude yeah dude motivate the rest of us

do anything else or is just good enough good time to say goodbye like to this real quick fight of the ear

jeez yeah yeah yeah I think is that a play on words or yeah I think I was playing

I'm going back today I was I was trying to think of a good ear pun and at the time yeah this is like six hours later but yeah thank you Anthony Watkins yeah that sounds good

uh yeah you just got some some questions about Colby and um Jorge on tough you know all that kind of stuff but I don't think when you talk about that

I guess that's a no brainer that is the no brainer coaches right there yeah neither of those guys are gonna fight so it just have them man I okay moving on from this card I'm really

hoping Colby does a whole gimmick where like he's all Joe Biden. I'm just, I'm just like, I'm hoping he's just like, he's totally like Medicare for all, you know, oh, and everything. Isn't that, uh, Kevin Lee's thing? Kevin Lee does is about that life, right? Yeah, but it's not a gimmick, you know, he's just about that life. But he was, didn't he speak at a Bernie rally? I don't know if he's, he did.

Oh, yeah, she spoke. Yeah. Okay, I wasn't sure if he spoke at one. Yeah. I think, um, Leslie Smith did do it. I think there's two probably writers, but, uh, Yeah. Kevin Lee's head tattoo is,

might be the story of 2020. Have you seen this, Casey? As someone with a lot of tattoos myself, it is very well done. I don't understand it. And I'm not a fan. Like, it's well done. I'm not a fan of solid black

anywhere above the neck. Like lines is fine, but anything colored in solid black, I think it looks strange. And he has so much. It looks like it's, all scarred up already. If you ever seen a scarred tattoo, it looks like it's just scarring immediately.

And I don't get it. But it is well-applicated. Tattoos are great personal. And if you get a tattoo to impress other people, you're doing it for the wrong reason. So if Kevin Lee likes it, you go. That's all that matters. I say that all the time. As long as you like it.

And he's in the right profession. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Though if you see, it goes up to his hairline. So now he can never shave his head. Because then his tattoo will just stop. It looks, yeah, it looks intense. I don't know.

Or you'd have to add it. You'd have to add upon it. It took a samurai helmet, right? Is that what it, that's why I assumed it was. Yeah, I think it's the samurai helmet. Speaking of which case, you have a PlayStation, right? Yes, sir. Someone messaged me a PlayStation game, and I'd never heard of it.

And I was going to ask you about it. now I can't remember what the is it overcoat? No, it was a samurai game. Oh, the ghost of Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one. Someone that watches the A side said we were talking about

I talked about my family for the Olfellon Cup. So I should play that only PlayStation game. And I go, Casey's the only one I know that was a PlayStation. Yeah. So I figured I asked you. People have been telling me to play that game too, but I got shit to do, man.

Sorry. didn't you spend like almost all quarantine playing the last of us yeah that's and like yeah and like and i was like okay i got to stop playing because i want actually i want to play it again and go oh i'm gonna change the setting you to do it like you know like whatever take away the listen mode all this no gamer stuff i was like oh yeah yeah i just got crap to do i you know hey so i'm just one cyberpunk i'm just one cyberpunk comes out you're not you guys will never hear from me again. Sandy Fam loves

Overcooked. I don't even know it overcooked. Oh, goodness. That's the best game. It's the best. Me and Sandy Fam. Sandy Fam, let's play some overcooked. We're good. Cyberpunk has been pushed back again. I know Robert Whitaker wants to play it and then apparently Mass Effects getting remastered for the next gen.

And the new Elder Scrolls might be Xbox only, so I have to buy an Xbox. I don't know what any of these things mean. None of them. I probably will at some point. You don't need to. You have a kid, man.

It's not like you have time for video games. Yeah, he plays, we have a PS3, and he loves Spider-Man, so he plays the Spider-Man game. But he's also... Spider-Man 3, he's playing. Get him, Spider-Man 2. So the best superhero video game, probably until the most recent Spider-Man that everyone freaks out about. Yeah, I like it. It's kind of tough.

He gets a ass beat. I should play the Spider-Man game. too. I never played the new one, but he's obsessed with Chuckie cheese right now. So I don't know if you've got, Jose, you probably know what Chucky Cheese is because you go up. Yeah, 100%. The restaurant? Yeah. I thought Chucky cheese went out of business. They're all out of business now. No, no, no, no. They're still, they're still around. We went to, we went to one a few weeks back. Really? There's one open in Worcester, Massachusetts.

It was the biggest piece of cacaa ever. Chuckie wasn't even there. man it's like home of the woe socks oh the woes socks it was so bad did they have the mechanical ban yeah yeah the animatronics yeah animatronics oh it's so scary I love it

my wife and I were like I can't we drove all this way and Chuckie's not even out here to like meet the kids or anything so we bought we found a Chuckie Cheese Wii game for like $3 and we bought that for him and you like play basketball and ski ball and all that other stuff. So he's obsessed with it. So I'm like, what a, what a, what a savior that is.

And we don't have to go there anymore. You can just play the damn video game. Parenting 101. You don't have to ever go to Worcester, Massachusetts now either. So it's a win-win. Yeah. I mean, there's one in Albany that's like 35 minutes away, but they're not open, obviously with the pandemic. For some reason, this one of Worcester was open. So we drove an hour and a half to go to that. Jackie Cheese is going out of business. Most of them are closed, but there's still a couple open. I just need to get through like...

It's gone. It's gone. I just need like another year. I just need like another year or two until he's over it. And then we don't have to worry about it anymore. Then that's it. We don't have to make those drives ever again. So sad.

Restrict. She's... I think I've only been at Chuckie She's once in my life. Yeah. Yeah. That means you've only lived one day of your life. Probably. Yeah.

Super overrated. So expensive. too. Oh, and the pizza is horrible. I don't know, Mike, you lived in New England. You ever hear of United Skates of America? That was a big thing in southern New England. It was like the biggest

indoor skating and laser tag place in like Southern New England. So I think that kind of like Chuck Echise never could survive in Rhode Island because of that. Yeah, we had a place near where we lived like outside of Boston in Sagus Mask called Roller World. And it was very

similar to that. Big roller like rollerblading, roller skating spot, video games. Massachusetts has Lasergate, which is the big one. It's in that big giant warehouse, man. Now we're talking about Lasagate and United Skates Gates, America. Casey's like, wow. We had good time.

I'm from Texas, and we had, our big thing was like Fame City. Six shooting guns? And shooting people, yes, yes. Fame city and shooting guns. What do you guys do, just go hang out the Alamo? Yeah. We just hang out in the basement. In the basement,

thank you for saying that. We could do Pee We can do Pee Wee's Big Adventure all day, Casey, all day long. Exhibit Q. Our big and bright. Deep in the heart of Texas. Yes. Oh, my God. I could quote that movie forever.

Oh, God. Town Lodge, Mudge, sent you. Oh, my God. That's one of this, dude, that thing still. scares the shit out of me. I even know, I know it's coming every time. I'm like, ah. I like you.

Like you. I went on the dinosaurs. It's out on the way. If you go to Palm Springs, I've been in the dinosaur and everything. It was like, oh, really? Mm-hmm. It's a creationist. Well, it went out of business, but for a while,

I became a creationist museum. I'm not kidding. You don't want to get mixed. up with a guy like me. I'm a loner, Dottie, a rebel. All right, we gotta go.

This will be the next hour of our lives. Give me, give me five more. Give me five more. Five more lines. I got to. Can you give me your impression?

Can you make your impression when Peewee walks out of the pet store? Oh, yeah. My, I mean, my favorite, the best line in the whole movie is, after he left,

to Francis says, I can get it. My daddy's, I can have anything I want. What I want is your bike and he freaks out laughing. And he stands up and she goes, it's not for sale, Francis. That was good. That was really good, Mike.

I'm really glad. I'm really glad. I feel like, wait, you've been to this for eight months and I just find this out now. Me and my wife now, my now wife's first date was at six flags in Springfield, Massachusetts. It was in October night. And she quoted Peewey's Bigger, adventure like out of nowhere and I was just like I turned and looked at her it was like it was like where it's just like dream wevers playing in the background I was like oh my god and then we

spent like two hours walking around freezing cold six flags quoting peeve's big adventure and I was like I am going to marry this woman and that is what happened. It's a good movie. All right we got to we got to go because we'll do Pee's Big Adventure all day. We'll do it be it'll do a watch along on here one of these days we can do that. Pretty good card. Hope you guys enjoyed it. UFC Vegas 13 in the books. I'm sure I'll be talking more about it on between the links,

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