MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 16: Hermansson vs. Vettori Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: December 6, 2020

With UFC Vegas 16 in the books, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Alexander K. Lee and E. Casey Leydon break down the top storylines coming out of Saturday night’s event at the UFC APEX, including Marvin Vettori’s unanimous decision win over Jack Hermansson in the exciting middleweight headliner.  Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. All right. We are live, everybody, following a very entertaining UFC Vegas 16 event that took a few hits before things got underway. But it all wrapped up with Marvin Vittori picking up the biggest win of his career over Jack Hermanson as we welcome you to the UFC Vegas 16 post-fight show live here on MAAfighting.com. Thank you for joining us. We're here to discuss this event with all of you. So get those questions in there. Ladies and gentlemen, and we will get to them for sure.

I am Mike Heck being joined by the Prince of Positivity himself, Alex K. Lee, as well as producer extraordinaire, E. Casey Liden. How are you, gentlemen? It's what an awkward start to this thing. We're only in it. That's how we like that. That's just it. Yeah, that's how you like it.

Oh, man. But A.K., we had ourselves an event that had some bumps in the road, especially with like two to three hours to go. But those left on the card, they were all ready to go. They were fired up and they delivered some fun fights and some big performances out there. So your thoughts on the event overall tonight before we get into the top couple of fights and the fan questions. Yeah, it was a solid show. It was a solid show. I don't think there was a bad fight on the night. Again, unless you consider some of the fights that may end too quickly as being, you know, a lackluster.

But I think most people, when there's a fast finish, feel pretty good about it. So, yeah, solid card. I'm not going to say it was like an amazing card, but given what they had to deal with, again, yeah, a few fights dropping off. So really good ones, too, you know, Ebloev and Landver was one. A lot of people were looking forward to. I thought Montaena de La Rosa and Talas Santos is a really intriguing fight as well. So to lose those and still put together a compelling card was really great.

I wish there was a way, you know, an eight-fight card could still somehow end, before one in the morning, or I guess in about 15 minutes ago, maybe 1245. But I understand this broadcasting necessities that have to be acknowledged. So solid card. I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to say,

oh, they blew it out of the water with this eight-by card. No, it was good. Good stuff. And congrats to everyone who performed tonight. Casey, what did you think? Were you entertained tonight? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, good entertainment tonight. It's just too late. It's just, these cards are just going way too late. And I feel like, At the beginning of the ESPN era, we were all like, ESPN, the cars are so, they're so, they're so much better pace. But now we're, I feel like we're kind of getting back to the FS1 era where like, you know, just these cars just seem to never end. Not because they're bad fights. It's just, there's just a lot of fights, you know, late at night and just Saturday after Saturday.

But fights, but just to fights themselves, good fights, very entertaining. Like Alex said, not a, not a crappy one. Just, um, good fights. Yeah. we start breaking down the main event because the bonuses, I don't believe, have been released yet, a.K., we have any predictions here for the bonuses tonight. Fly the night, pretty obvious got to be the main event. Knockout the night, Jordan Levitt's definitely going to get one.

That's slam. We'll talk about more later, I'm sure, but one of the best knockouts of the year. And then the other performance bonus is a tough one. This is one of those nights a weekend where, you know, and I'm a broken record. I say this all the time, just give $50,000 bonuses to everyone who got to finish. That's the way it should work in these situations. They're not going to do that, of course. So my other one would go to, man, I really liked Benitez's knee.

That's who I would give it to. I think they might just go with the co-mate event and then Jamal Hill. Yeah, I think that's the answer. But we'll see what happens. Casey, your pick. Deporia. I didn't mention deporia. I'm sorry.

Yeah. But obviously fighting and I, the main event, performance Jamah Hill Jamal Hill and the other performance I'm going to give it to Puria I'm not I'm actually going to

sorry sorry Mr. Levitt yeah not giving me the Levitt sorry I just um we'll talk about Matt Wyman later and if Matt Whitman might even been in a UFC cage tonight sure sure but that's not that's not Jordan Levitt's fought

but the guy across the community does matter. Let's talk about this main event before the bonuses come out. We'll let you know as soon as they do. But we saw A.K. Martin Vittori, who was somewhat disappointed in his performance after the fact, gets a 4-1 win on the scorecards. We thought the tides may have turned in the third round heading into round four, but Vittori just kind of woke back up.

Halfiel Cordero, A-plus in the corner tonight. Vittori comes through and gets it done. What did you make of Marvin Vittori's career-changing victory tonight? I was wondering, you know, first of all, I hate myself because on the preview show, I picked Vittori. And then I later changed my official pick. You know, I think people should take my written predictions that are published on the set as my final pick. I did change over to Hermannsen. I don't know if it was one of you guys that convinced me, but I thought you picked Vittori as well.

But I don't know. I hate myself for changing the pick because everything I thought the Vittori was, you show, you know, Top shelf striker, really good athlete. He's a high-level athlete of 185 for sure. And I'm not saying that's the reason he won. I'm saying that's one of the assets that kind of helps him avoid some dangerous situations and why he's so quick. Great chin.

Obviously, young guy, Prime's career can take a lot of hits because Hermanson was headhunting in the last couple of rounds there. And Vitori could take it and still stick with his game plan and still be consistent with his offense. So I think he really showed a lot. He's going to take a top five spot. That's where Hermanson was heading into the night. And he deserves it.

Is he going to take a top five spot, Casey? I think he's going to get a big leap. I don't know if you could just insert him right into like the number four, number five spot. I mean, it was a big win over a rank guy, no doubt about it. Opportunity knocked and he answered it. But Tuesday morning, do you think he's going to be ranked number five or even better than that? No, I don't have him in my top five. I thought Hermanson was low overvalued ranking wise.

But I picked Hermanson coming into this. So, but I just didn't think that. I actually just didn't think her manse was a top five fighter either. But no, I don't think. So who do we have? We have, Izzy counts as, he doesn't count as one because he's the champ.

So we have Whitaker. Who we met? Whitaker, Canaanese. Costa. Canaernear. Sorry. Romero, it's still ranked right now. So we would take him out.

Maybe a Romero out of the rankings. Maybe he might make top five, actually. Yeah, Romero out of the rankings. Okay. Yeah. Do you put him above Darren Till and Derek Brunson? Oh, Derek Brunson. I forgot about Mr. Brunson.

I wouldn't. I wouldn't, actually. Yeah, I think all those are kind of interchangeable of a plus or two. You know, like if you put someone number six, you could probably justify it. I put him at four. But I think the top three or four, I guess are pretty settled. Canaaner, Costa, Whitaker. What am I missing?

Armandson's four right now. Yeah. I mean, no, maybe he does get up there. Process of elimination. Yeah. I forgot about Romero

because he got to take Romero out of it. Yeah, so that kind of changed things up. Which is so wild. Yeah. It's just so wild. I like who we're just casually saying, oh,

by the way, Romero's no longer in the rankings. It's like, it's. Hey, Romero got the Liz Carmouche treatment. You lose this think your title fight and you're done.

He also, I think, what, one, one fight in this last like four appearances. Oh, we're going to do that. We're going to do that. We're going to do that.

I know. I know. And those don't tell the story. Because I made the same argument for Juicy of Formiga who lost three straight fights. And I was still like, it's crazy to cut this guy. So we just lost in the last month two top five guys in their divisions. Maybe Formiga was out of the top five by then. But Fringo was still top 10.

We lost top 10 to flyweight and we lost top five middleweight. That's crazy. That's real crazy. Yeah. And no one creates more excitement than you'll, Romero. Like if he lost 15 fights in a row, if Beulomero's booked against anybody, people are going to get excited about it. That's just, that's just who he is. They just want to see. Formiga, for me, people want to say, okay, he's not the most exciting flyway. I go like, sure,

I could agree with that. And that's a reason to cut him. Again, I don't think that is reason. I think he's still competitive. But you could say that. Romero, win or lose. He's just someone people want to watch. He's someone that you can try and casual viewership with. You show them a couple of his highlights, show what he looks like. You'll have, you'll have Uncle Pete. Call it in, say, how do I order, hey, I don't order this pay-view? How do get ESPN Plus up here? So, um, he's one of the few fighters. Yeah, you can sell pay-per-view just on him working out.

Just, hey, do some burpees, Mr. Romero. Here's my 60 bucks. Yeah, and then say, this man is 43 years old. Supposed of it. And who knows how old he really is. You can be 55. I don't know. Who is, yeah.

I can't believe he's not. Rumor is he's humus. I don't even know. I'm not even Yeah, we'll see about that. I need more sources. Casey, what did you think of the fight, Casey? Because before we hit record,

you had some interesting thoughts on not just Vittori's performance, but Hermanson's performance and kind of what you saw in the aftermath with him walking around. What did you think of the performance and, you know, just the fight overall? I mean, it was a great fight, but you had some things that were on your mind about it. My big thing was like just why wasn't her?

I think even felt. Alder recruits said this, like, why isn't Hermanson throwing any kicks? Why is he not throwing any head kicks? Like, like, the way Marvin just had that, that, uh, his right hand, oh, so his left, he has left hand really low. It's like, he was just open for head kicks. And, and it's not in, and if he throws a leg, a head kick and he gets taken down, that's fine for Hermanson.

I think he'll be comfortable with that. But then as soon as you saw the fight ended, like, all that adrenaline just goes. And you, you get in Hermanson, he started feeling that pain. And he started getting that immediate limp. So I was like, okay, which I think I was talking actually my Muay coach. And I think early in the first or second round, Hermanson threw a leg kick and Vittori checked it amazingly. It was a great check. And I think that check just wrecked Hermanson's leg.

So if anyone out as trained Muay and you go shin to shin and someone checks you perfectly, it is so incredibly painful. And luckily, it didn't break his leg, you know, like a certain very first. famous middle weight leg got broken off a leg check but um yeah i was just real um that i think it really changed the game changed the game for a manson because he was just i think just boxing for the last three rounds three or four rounds with vittori i was like what are you doing man like you're you're you're doing okay but this isn't this isn't how you're going to win the fight so uh i was just kind of shocked but great vatori man like like he's just getting better i mean bottom line. I mean, coming into this fight, I thought Hermanson was going to win it.

But now watching a fight, oh, Vittori's just a better fighter. He's just improved. And the fighter I thought Votori was is no longer. And now we just have a better version of him out there. Excuse me. So Martin Vittori is going to get his win money, the show money, and 50 G's because the bonuses are out. Fight of the night. Of course goes to the main events. Florence is the night. Mowgli Benitez. and Jordan Levitt. Yeah, $50,000.

Not too surprising. Tuporia, again, really would have been probably another candidate. That, KL, again, it was six hours ago now, so no one remembers it, but holy cow, this guy's good. It was so technical. It was a beautiful.

Just a beautiful. He's a grappler. He's supposed to be, like, people are talking about, oh, he's a grappling specialist, and it's like, holy crap, he came in throwing fire. And technical, it wasn't just sloppy, you know, it was high-level striking.

Very impressive. Is he a 45 or a 35er? I'm sorry, what is he? It's 45 or 45 or okay. Throw him to the top 20 right now. Like, I don't want to wait. Absolutely. Kind of like, yeah.

Throw him right to the top 20. Yeah. I suggested Andre Feely. People were excited about that. I think that's perfect matchmaking at this point. I think he put him against anyone, honestly. I think Phile's just, Peeley's awesome against anybody. But yeah, I want to see him a name, a name, yeah.

Sure. AK, I'm not going to ask you this because we're going to save that. We're going to make the listeners wait for the podcast to come out. But Marvin Vittori is a dirty language-filled post-fight interview with John Anick. So much language, in fact, that we didn't even hear Marvin Vittori say who he was calling out. John Anick, the continent professional, just doing the darn thing and repeating it. So we all got to know who he was calling out. He calls up Paulo Costa.

What do you think of that? Is that how you would do it or do you have somebody else in mind? I did hear. I did hear something like Boca Chia. I swear I thought I heard Bochina, but thank you for Ben Inica. Yes, Anika is the bad. Casey, what do you think? Do you like that fight?

Yeah, I like the fight. Actually, right before we came on, I was like, oh, man, I want to see Vittori versus Romera. I think that's the fight to make. But here we are. Too soon. Yeah, I know. No, whoever is fighting, whoever is fighting, um uh costa next that's that's a bit of a sweepstakes in a sense that like you can maybe you just

need if you beat costa and you're like look i beat this guy i'm i need if i i should be fighting for the title next so um yeah i think if vittori wants the quickest road to the title probably beating costas the fighting cost is the way to go so it's a great call out yeah it was it was a good call and an aka and i will give our opinions on that on on to the next one so make Make sure you tweet us. We have some suggestions already coming in on the Twitter. So leave yours. He's at Alexander Kaley.

I'm at Mike Kek underscore JR. And we will go from there. We'll read them out on to the next one. But before you get to the listener questions, I do want to touch on the co-made event. Jamal Hill stops Ovin St. Peru in the second round. AK, you were under the impression that this fight was maybe a bridge too far for one, Jamal Hill.

It was a very interesting first round. But Hill got real, real comfortable in the second. hurts and then eventually stops the Wiley veteran in OSP, props to Jason Herzog stepping in there with a perfect stoppage to end the fight. But now that you've seen it, AK, and you kind of have to eat your words here, your thoughts on Jamal Hill's performance and where he stands now at 205. Are you convinced that this guy has a really high ceiling and can do some damage at 205? I hate picking fights so much.

I actually picked nine and fight on tonight. And there were eight fights, so I don't know how I did it. But I went 0 for 9 tonight. Really amazing stuff. Don't know how I did it. It's incredible work. Michael was the question. I'm sorry.

I'm fitting myself. What was the question? Jamal Hill. Your thoughts on Jamal Hill after that win? I mean, first of all, we know he should be, you know, in the UFC. His last knockout was also very impressive against a Brayu. And it was tossed out because of, well, that damn devil's lettuce. That damn devil's lettuce is just ruining careers.

So, you know, if only he could stay away from that seductive vegetable, vegetable, I don't know. But, no, he should be, look, that's bull crap. He should be two and O in the UFC. He should be eight and O in his career. And he should have two straight UFC knockouts, two very impressive knockouts. He looks so good. You know, he looks so good. There's a lot of, I'm sure, again, there's people out there who, including myself,

who were going to say, oh, why didn't, you know, why didn't OSP do this? Why didn't he try and get the fight to the ground, he's like that? But again, I think when you're finding a guy like Hill with his agility, and the way he was, he was actually really good at maintaining range, which is really impressive because OSP is a good fighter from range. So for him to beat him at his own game and then also just kind of assert himself the way he did,

man, it's why you see people talking about this guy as a top contender and someone who's really going to fly up the rankings fast. You know, we talk about something like Taboria flying up fast. I think a lot of people will be fine if Hill got like a top, someone on the front, not top five, but someone on the lower half of the top 10, that's what a lot of people I think are going to be asking for

and after tonight again I don't know if I would do it but boy it's hard to argue against because the hype is very very real striking and maturity really advanced for a guy who I think he's 29 I'm saying he's 29 29 or 27

what's hell he's 29 29 right right in the middle of his prime again experience wise of course has a bit of catching up to do but he wouldn't look like it tonight if you told me tonight that this was a guy who has twice as many fights. I had 16, 17, 18 pro fights. I would have believed you. He looked really good.

So, and thank goodness, you know, justice was served in a way because OSP did miss weight by one and a half pounds, which was surprising. So hopefully, guess that's sorted out. But congratulations to Hill, though. He took care of business against and got a little bit of extra cash from the miss. Casey, your thoughts on Jamal Hill's performance. I thought, I mean, I thought he looked great. First round was a little interesting because OSP was so calculated in there and he's making him, gas and he was landing kicks. It was an interesting approach. And it's so funny watching OSP fight because he's just so common there. It's like he's playing chess.

It's really interesting. But man, Jamal Hill really opened things up. What did you think of his performance in the co-made event? I think maybe besides Vittori, actually, I think above Vittori, I think Jamal Hill was a breakout star of this card. I think I just, honestly, I didn't have an opinion on Jamal Hill coming. into this. I know he's like, okay, he's 2 and O. He smokes weed, whatever. He's a good guy. He's a good fighter. But I actually, I was picking OSP all week. And this is weird, but like, it was

actually from the media day and watching Jamal Hill talk just about the fight and just, just his presence and just talking about the BS, his suspension and all that stuff. And then OSP missing weight, missing weight at 9 a.m. which is just like the weirdest thing. ever i don't understand and you know after talking to uh mr brandon fit sgerald was like maybe osp just like he doesn't want it as may i it sounds cheesy but is he just not doesn't want it as much as jama hill so i really like the last second i was like you know what i'm picking i'm picking hill and then i know i feel really smart about that one but man hill just looked awesome man i'm not going to say this guy's going to be fighting for a title in a year i mean but beating got ozp

just means that you're going you're now an elite to a fight you're and I'm just very excited to see what's next of him. There you go. We're going to take the list of questions in a moment. A couple of things Dana White is speaking to the media right now and we'll give you some interesting tidbits right now so you don't have to leave. I don't want you to leave.

You could watch it later. Dana White did say one, that he will be rewarding Jamal Hill and Ilya for their performances tonight. I was about saying Jamal Hill was robbed of 50K. I really think that he shouldn't have 50K. Jason Herzog With Jason Herzog's proper stoppage

It robbed Hill of a clean knockout Yeah Well in fairness And on a nut like this Someone's gonna get robbed If they're not getting a $50,000 dollars It's a really great finish So and by the way

Hopefully Dana White does it Just give them a check Or a direct deposit hiring norther pays them And not the Davidson's figurato Bag of cash Bag of come on What are we come on That's great for social media

What is his pride FC? Tax free baby Tax free baby Take that guy of cash. So much cooler than, because, I mean, it takes, it takes like months for those bonus checks to come in. And Figgie got it right off the bat. So he's, he's in a better position than anybody else on the car right now. You know what?

Just do the tan bag with a huge dollar sign on it next time. How about that? That'll be, there we go. Okay, if we're just going to just get into money like this, geez Louise. You put a hundred in the outside and you put a bunch of ones in the middle. That's all. That's all about to be horrible. Oh, man.

The other thing I did want to mention is we talked about YOL Ramirez. Dana White, of course, is asked about it at the press conference, and he says that the UFC is going to be doing some serious cuts before the end of the year. And when asked about a number, he said around 60 or so fighters will be getting their walking papers before the end of the year. First of all, shoutouts to, I think it's our Damon Martin who is handling the, handling, tweeting out the Dana White comments. So shout out Sam. He is, for everyone watching, he is okay after being knocked out early on the evening.

by Aaloporia. Damon Martin is fine. In fact, I'm being told it was not Damon Martin. It was actually the fighter of Damon Jackson, but there's been some confusion in the past. So if everyone's wondering, Damon is fine. He's watching from the comfort of his own home and not being bludgeoned by a undefeated featherweight from Georgia. Yeah, the cutting amount. We've talked about this, I think, on other shows.

This is the consequence of, unfortunately, I think some of the money that was lost this year is the cost of business. and you know I've kind of rallied against it because we know a lot of the talent coming in is from Contender Series and it's going on, it makes for a great story. We have some great performers. Jordan Levitt was from Contender Series today. Who else? He's definitely not the only one.

Jamal Hill was from Contender Series. So for sure, we're talking on guys who, you know, could be future stars, Great Fire. There's nothing wrong with getting guys with Contender Series. It's just, it's conveniently a way, these guys are, I suppose to Jamal Hill, who just had a co-main event, I guarantee you he's probably not he's not getting paid near as much as the YOL Romero.

So you just kind of have to do the math and see what's the reason that they can now afford to cut some of these name fighters, these veterans like Gant Jusie Formiga, Yol Romero, John Dodson earlier this year, guys who are getting either six figure paydays or close to six figure paydays for each appearance compared to entry level guys from contender series. So when Dana White says 60 fighters are going to be cut, that's going to be closer to the top of the rankings than the bottom. and in the middle, I should say, probably mostly from the middle. But definitely there's many guys near the top 10 that you're like, wow, I can't believe they cut them. It's going to happen.

It sucks. Well, we'll see how that all plays out. We'll keep you posted here on MAAFighting.com. But in the meantime, let's talk about some positive stuff. Let's talk about the card. Let's go to the peeps. Let's see what the peeps have to say following this weird event with all those cancellations.

And by the way, if you guys didn't know, Cody Dern versus Jimmy Flick, That has been rebooked for December 19th. Also, Tyler Santos was supposed to fight Montana de la Rosa on tonight's card. She will now fight Jillian Robertson on December 19th. Jillian Robinson is supposed to fight Andrea Lee next week at UFC 256. Andrew Lee had a broken nose. So she is out of that fight and now Robertson will fight Tyler Santos on December 19th.

Hi, Candy. Hi, what the? Hi, hi Panda. That's a kiss or coo. Always welcome. Always good to see you. Nicknames. And a big shout out to Brennan Fitzger.

A.k.a. The ocean. Yes, the ocean. Oh, we should have, I should have listened to him on some of these picks. Why did I listen to him? We brought his brilliant mind onto the show and in my arrogance. I'm like, what does, what does Brendan Fitzgerald know? He just watches these fights up close for a living. And I got what I deserve. So thanks again to Brendan and definitely give him a follow on Twitter people. For sure. All right. This podcast is really good too. Yes. Joseph Boat, our old buddy, Martin Vittoria is 4-0 and 1 in his last five fights. I love the the call out of number two,

Paulo Costa, should he call out Izzy? I could see him in 2021 going for the title. So you want to take that, AK? I mean, I think he's called out Izzy in like every conversation at this point.

Exactly. Yeah, I mean, I was saying, should he call him out again? Yeah, I should call him out again. I think he's actually done

a really good job of that. He should always, because they fought once and getting a rematch is actually really hard in the UFC. So the fact that maybe the first couple times

he brought it up, People were kind of rolling their eyes. Like, you know, maybe they thought the fight wasn't as close as the scorecard said. It was a split decision win for Dyssinia. Some people said it should have been unanimous. But the fact that he went to distance with them, that's something that Vitori's been hanging his hat on for a while. And good for him, okay? People don't care about the truth.

People won't remember the details of how that first fight went. You keep telling, no, you keep telling people how close that fight was. And you keep mentioning it. And more important, they keep winning fights, which he's been doing. This was four straight to-night. So should he call out easy again? Yes, he should call out Izzy every time, especially when us in the media are throwing questions out there and trying to bait those kind of answers out of them. Yes, go for it. Go for it. Because if it happens, there's a lot, again, he's already working on generating interest.

He calls out other people, too. That's the important thing. He's not just focused on Izzy. He calls out other people as well. There's a feud with Holland. He's planting a lot of seeds, and that's what a lot of fighters should do. So could he go for the title in 2021? It really depends on what Izzy is doing with light heavyweight and some other spicyy farm wants to take. but I'm telling you, it is not out of the round possibility that that fight happens, a title fight for Vittori, whether it's against Edisonia or some other situation. 2021, I think it's very possible. Dana White was asked about at the press conferences. He said he's not making any decisions or even talking about the top of the middleweight division

until Izzy fights for the light heavyweight title, which apparently that is still a plan at this point. But I think we talked about this, Casey, but you like the cost of call out. but can you see Marvin Vittori potentially fighting for a world title next year? Yes, absolutely, actually. I think he has that personality that Dana loves. That just like, he's tough, he's mean, you know, like, he's, you know, like, Dana just loves that type of guy. And, you know, and more than that, Vittori's just that guy, you put a microphone in front of him, he'll just say things. They don't have necessarily make sense, but he'll say things, and it'll draw clicks.

that draws interest and that's what the UFC wants. I mean, his pre-fight stuff, he was saying, what is he really done? You know, all this kind of, I was like, it was just kind of, okay, just say your thing. You know, all right, you're the fighter. You know, you can beat me up. I'm not going to, I'm not going to say you're wrong.

But tonight with this solid victory, and if he can beat Costa, no matter what, decision, whatever, as long as he just gets the W, yeah, absolutely. It's a storyline. They can, you know, it's easy, sell. You know, it was a split decision. It was technically the closest fight, you know, that Izzy has fought in the UFC. So, yeah, absolutely.

Thank you, Joseph Boza for the questions, as always. I'm sure we'll see his name once more, always coming through. Sheila, how are you? What did you think of Jason Herzog's stoppage of the OSP Hill fight? Was it early, later, just right? I think we talked about this earlier. I thought it was tremendous. I thought it was a tremendous stoppage, but Casey actually made makes a pretty decent point. He almost, he kind of robbed Jamal Hill of a bonus, of an official bonus. Because how did he let that go on? He was probably going to knock OSP stiff.

So from a fighter safety standpoint, it was a brilliant stoppage. I mean, OSP was done, but from like a highlight real standpoint, I mean, I don't know. Anybody else have anything to add to that? Casey, go ahead. I know you're a big fan of it on social media. And I believe you got a shout out from the. the man himself. Did you not on Twitter? Oh, I did. You didn't see that?

I get so many mentions. I can't check him all. Oh, my goodness. He quote, you didn't see what he, I think, okay, look that up while I'll talk for, yes, he was very confident. And I believe it is the real Jason Herzog. I think he's one of the few referees that actually is, that does have a real Twitter account and is active, not like some of the fake Keith Peterson's and fake fake Mario Yamasaki's guys, those aren't real. Sorry to break it for anyone who follows those accounts. I think there's like, there's a Mario Yamasaki and, I know there's a Keith Peterson for a while. I think they've got changed to some of them.

Basically on Twitter, I complimented Jason Herzog. I think he is the best actually, I think he is the best ref in MMA. For some reason, he never gets mentioned. I'm not sure why. But I think he's a great ref, just a great person, actually. I think he's just a nice guy. But back to this question,

perfect stoppage. Just a perfect stoppage. You felt if Hill would have hit OSP one more time, OSP, you were just waiting for OSP, just go lights out. And as a fan of violence, yeah, of course I want to see that. But as like a human being who doesn't want people to die unnecessarily, I guess. Great stoppage by Jason Herzog. So to answer your question, Sheila, just right.

I'll tell you who. Did you read, do you everybody said about you, Casey? No, no. Did you not find the comment? No, I can't find it. You said perfect stoppage from the best reference of business, Jason Herzog. He quote tweeted you and said,

from one of the best to have ever done it, missed seeing you and the end, the Esther, the Esther, thanks Casey. So I love, I didn't retweet it because I just didn't know. That's amazing stuff.

I'll tell you, who else had a great, I'll tell you what other referee had a great moment tonight. Mark Smith had a great moment tonight. After the Benitez knee to the chest, he jumped, right in there and save Justin James from any further damage. That was a great stoppage

as well. Who was the rep for Mr. Damon Jackson's fight? Was that Chris Taney? I want to say Tione. I can actually find that for you right now. It's got to be. It's a pre-limbite. It was Mr. No, it was Mark Smith, according to topology. I think

Toney did the first fight of the night. Okay. It wasn't a late stoppage or I mean because it was so quick, but man, There was that last shot that, that, Damon Martin got hit with, Damon Jackson got hit with. That last shot, it was just like, oh, that's bad. That's bad. But that's just, it was a, the stoppage is real fast.

It just happens that way. It's just, that's just the sport. I also want to comment Herzog. Oh my gosh, scary. I want to comment Herzog's technique because he did the full bot. He didn't do the step in kind of wave off. He, he, uh, he went in for a full. body grab and yanked

Jamal Hill off. And that's not always something you want to do. I mean, you're at a high risk of catching a live really anytime you step into that action, you're a high risk of catching a live round. But grabbing someone is, I mean, some people might thought it was a bit strange, but I think that's a situation he needed to do it.

Hill firing so, I don't know if there's any way to kind of have stopped him. So I thought, yeah, even not just timing, but I think the technical goal. So I was like, yeah, man, you're wrestling with one of those light heavyweights. Boy, you got to be careful. but he did it a good job and I think saved OSB from some

some just for sure. Yeah. A plus stoppage. Jamal Hill versus Dominic Reyes next. Dominic Reyes is fighting Yuri Prashka next. So maybe after that, but I think Jamal Hill probably want to get back in there a little sooner. But Anthony Smith versus Jamal Hill.

I'm seeing lots of suggestions for Joe. I think people want to see, people are excited about Jamal Hill. People think, New life to 205 is always exciting. So I think people want to, is Anthony Smith, is Anthony Smith the higher level gatekeeper over, is Anthony, I don't, I hope,

oh, Anthony Smith isn't hearing this. He's going to get mad if he hears that. He's very, he's, nobody won't hear that. Yeah, he doesn't want to hear that. I don't know, what do you think about that? I know you guys do your little, you know, your little onto the next podcast. You don't want to give it away, but.

I mean, we already, I already know who I'm going to pick for Jamal Hill. It's not Anthony Smith. Is that too high up the ladder? No. No? Because my pick is right near there. Right, right there. First of all, shout out to Samuel Ferry in the comments who says the commission should fire Chris Lee and hire A.K. Lee. No, no, no, no. I'm a little too corrupt. I'm a little too corrupt. I don't think that's going to work out. But thank you for the comment. Oh, well, that was before. That was before. He means fire me. He means fire me from this show, I think he means. And then let me, so I can go into career and judging. But again, I don't think he's aware about how corrupt I am, how easily influenced.

Sam. I don't mind the answer to the thing. Yeah, I'm going to have to put a little more thought to that. Like Mike said, we'll talk about more in our show. But the Dominic Ray's thing, I'm going to ask you guys, I saw some people comparing him to Reyes. So I don't know, what do you guys think about? Do you see him as a, the striking, the athleticism, the, you know, how he knows how to use his length. Do you see some comparison there? I'm probably not like the technical got to ask, but I would say like points in their career where their records are and kind of their direction. I could see similarity because, I mean, Dominic Reyes, got kind of got to that next level beating OSP, and this could be a very similar thing. So there are similarities there. I will go to Casey more on the technical side. If you kind of look at these two guys at their respective points in their career, if you compare the two based on striking and technique and stuff, do you see similarities between Jamal Hill and Dominic Reyes?

They're similarities. I mean, they both use range well. They both they're both. they both have really long punches. They feel like they can hit you from a deceptively long distance away. I got to actually look at, I mean, like I said, coming into this fight, I really didn't know much about Jamal Hill. He was just, to me, just kind of like a mid-tier to a fiver.

And tonight was like actually the first, tonight was one of those fights when I was watching. I was like, I kind of got really close to the screen. I was like, I got to, I'm going to be seeing a lot of Jamal Hill soon. So I need to really watch more of him because I feel like he's a guy. that for the next, I don't know, at least a few years, we're going to see him in the top 10. You know, how high, who knows? But he's going to be up there. So I was just, I'm just more just excited about seeing Jemma, Jemma.

He seems like a good personality. I love how he used his mic time. He talked about his, a friend that passed away from drinking and driving. And it was just real passionate. He just seems like a guy that has a lot to say in the cage of his fist and outside of the cage. so and he used that opportunity well so just as a journalist i'm excited to have someone like jemot hill no in the forefront i'm agreed we're not firing a kaley he's too valuable get that get to get that comment out of here oh um this isn't about tonight's card but this needs

to be answered oh god how do oh whoa whoa why are we even Why are we even Why are you discussing this? He's not a danger. He's not one of the 60 that's in danger of being cut. Dana White could say he's going to cut 160 fighters and you would not, and Ryan Hall would not be at risk. Okay, so John Danion, oh, my heart to even suggest it.

Goodness me. Oh, man. I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. All right. Oh, my God. Oh, man. I didn't want to read that about it.

Moving on. Yeah. You know what? We're getting in our questions about the potential cuts. And I kind of, you know, I'm not going to, I don't want to go there. I don't think we need to go. I don't want to. That's just not a fun thing to talk about.

You know, like, right. Yeah. So if you're throwing suggestions who should get cut, I'm going to, I'm just telling you're kind of wasting your time. But, um. And you're a little mean. Yeah. You're a little man. And you're a jerk.

Sorry. No, I didn't say he's a little mean. What's next for Gabriel Benitez? That is a good question. Was he always going to be on the, he was always going to be on the main car, right? He wasn't one of the fights, him and James. It wasn't one of the fights that was moved up, I don't think, right?

Not necessarily today, but early this week. Like early this week. I think it was, yeah, I think it was on the prelims earlier. And I think it got bumped up, like maybe Wednesday or Thursday. and then, you know what I mean? Yeah, I definitely overlooked. I guess maybe I'm a little too big on the Jane's train a bit. I like Jane's style, really aggressive, get in there, you know,

try and knock people out, which is really fun to watch. But Mowgli, for sure, is a guy who over the years, I think we kind of put him in that category of like when he's on, he looks like a top 20, you know, lightweight or featherweight competing featherweight before. But he looks like a top 20 guy in his division when he's on. Very talented, great kicks, really solid boxing, good grappler. but for some reason for whatever there's just fights where he can't seem to pull the trigger

or he's just outclass just facing someone who maybe just a level above him but he looked great tonight he took care of business against someone that he should a less experienced guy so what is next for him again we'll talk about it more on the show but I think he's earned the right

I'll say probably to face someone closer to his level of experience again because again Justin James was kind of a low high risk low reward fight for him Omer Morales was a great matchup but again someone else who kind of had more to gain So hopefully he gets a little bit more a veteran opponent for Mowgli next time. Anybody stick out to you, Casey?

No, I just think I think Gabriel Benitez just kind of proved that he's a UFC caliber fighter, really. And I don't expect him to get a top 15 guy. I just, I expect him. We'll see him about three months or so. He'll be on a fight night card, you know, four or five fights in. He's always going to be an exciting fighter. and if he pulls off two or three more wins, unfortunately he wins over higher-level opponents

than Justin James, unfortunately, for us to really start considering him a top tier. Was this that lightweight or featherweight? I'm sorry, was this at lightweight or featherweight? It was his second fight at lightweight in the UFC and his first win at light. We know that's a good sign. His first one at lightweight, so fresh start,

fresh weight class. So I'm excited to hear from him again. So we'll see. Well, he'll be fine a couple more times. Yeah, those cakes are lethal. Thank you, Mara 226-4419. That's a real name, too. Yeah, I couldn't pronounce the last name, but I just spelled it out.

Matt Wyman slam worst chaos since the Ben Asker need. We say we're going to talk about this, right? We can talk about this finish, right? I mean, that's perfect segue. Let me just say it real quick. I've been talking to Jordan Levitt for a little while now since he was like a regional prospect making his way up. And this guy had a hard time finding fights because of his style. He's a little awkward.

And for, I mean, multiple interviews, he just kept telling me like, I just want to, I just want to know what it feels like to knock somebody out. You know what I mean? Like he's got all submission wins, maybe the occasionally unanimous decision. But he hasn't had like a knockout or a TKO finish in his career. I don't think he drew it up this way tonight, but he certainly got one, and he got a bonus. And I think he gained a lot of fans tonight because people got to see him on camera.

He's a very interesting cat. As you could see with this, he just looks like the silent killer that you think you can mess with, but then he just slams you on your head. Very, very good performance for him. The opponent, Casey, Matt Weiman, pretty surprising to see him in another fight.

We saw the Luis Pena fight. That was pretty gnarly. all those years away. Then he fought Joe Selecki, and Joe Selecki did what Joe Selecki does. He couldn't finish him. Wyman's a very hard man to submit. But Selecky dominated him,

and this was just really bad. What do you think, Casey? Matt Weiman fighting tonight in the last year or so. Matt, okay, we'll start with a negative. Matt Weiman, unfortunately, should not have been fighting tonight. He's not a UFC level fighter anymore.

Since his, since his, uh, whenever he left the UFC in 2014. So he was away from the UFC for like five and a half, six years or something like that. He's just, he's just not. I don't,

I don't understand. I don't understand the UFC's booking at this fight. I don't understand why Matt Wyman, who had looked bad in two fights already in the UFC, was given this fight. I just don't get it. And, um, unless I don't get it.

And, Unfortunately, I think for Matt Wyman, it might be time to hang him up as far as fighting, you know, top level competition. Maybe if he wants to fight on the regional circuit against, you know, guys like me. I don't know. But, yeah, it just, it was ugly. It was just, and even what he was doing, even the slam, as, as cool as the slam was, I mean, I want to give Jordan Levin all the credit in the world. But like, what was Matt Wyman thinking? I just like it was just what was he thinking I have no idea and um but go and make the Jordan

Levitt man. Man I like that dude talk about a man who's like redefining masculinity like knock out someone and then you do the splits man I know he didn't mean to be I know I know it wasn't meant to be insulting but if someone knocked me out cold and I'm like oh I get up I look across and I just see a dude doing the splits and his friends lifting him up like in their dirty dancing oh you know you know you've been in the wrong end of a fight. Yeah. And it was very cool on Leavitt to go and console Wyman's white. Yeah, yeah. I don't think there's nothing disrespectful from Levitt. He didn't mean to be disrespectful, but I'm just like, who, man.

That's just like. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's part of Keir and Welch's comment here as far as the worst. Because remember, Mazvedal also had quite a fancy celebration after he did, he kind of just dropped, kind of fluffed dead to the mat to almost to imitate how badly he had just messed up Ascran. So that was probably a worst. That's probably why the Mazvedal one is, I don't know if there will ever be a nastier worst K.O.

If we're using the worst, ugly, mean-spirited chaos, I don't know if there'll ever be one better than, better or worse again than Horace Wadol. But yeah, it was tough to watch. I mean, that's the other thing we'll say when we use term worst in the question. It was tough to watch because, again, Matt Wyman is a guy who I think a lot of us have been watching for a while.

he was part of one of the greatest open fighter seasons ever, tough five, the lightweight season when they re-implemented the lightweights into the UFC. Really fun season. He was a very good fighter for a while. He had a couple of winning streaks in the UFC in 155, very difficult to do. And even went out on a win before the head as he beat Isaac Valley flag. I'm just looking at this now, November 2014, and then, you know, stepped away.

I believe there's some back injuries as well, which in any sport is very difficult to come back from. even if you're able to, you know, get back in the cage or get back in the court or get back in the field, whatever sport we're talking about, those back injuries are just, once you start getting them, they don't, they don't, it doesn't get better, you know, it's only going to go downhill from there. And we might be seeing that with Wyman. He's the oldest fighter on the card. He's a few months older than OSB. So, yeah, and then putting him in there with, like Mike said, someone who's clearly a high level of prospect in Leavitt,

it was, it was rough. And for Leavitt to literally just carry him over to his corner and draw him down like that. It was shocking. You know, it was just not something you expect to see at the UFC level. And then again, that's the case's point, I think, is maybe because Wyman is just not UFC level anymore. So this is a really harsh thing to say. I think he's at a very good career. And, yeah, we just hope Matt Wyman, whatever's next, he makes a decision that's best for him and his health.

But Leavitt, I have to celebrate his celebration. The dirty dancing lift was fantastic. So this is for Jordan Leavitt. I'm going to get in the mic for a second here. I had the time of my life And I never felt this way before So that was for 11th No, keep going

Why are you stopping, man? No, that's it The view count was going through the roof I know, I don't give that away for free I don't give that away for free I got my own YouTube channel man, come on Join Adam Alex Kaley's Patreon page if you want to hear the rest of that song.

Yes. I could see Levitt becoming either a fan favorite or possibly a villain, depending how people view his kind of over-the-top antics. But he made a real mark tonight, not just with his performance, but the celebration, the post-flight interview. A lot of people talking about what we'll be talking about Leavitt, I think, after this weekend. Yeah, Jordan Leavitt, an avid reader, too. He likes to read like 75 to 100 books a year.

What? He's a madman. Yeah, he's a madman when it comes to that stuff. I remember that he books in my life. Tristan Gordad is here Where do you put Jordan Levitt slam knockout As far as being the nastiest I mean

It was brutal I mean that was a brutal slam But we've seen I don't know I mean Gerald Harris David Branch That was a gnarly one I think everyone kind of looks to the rampage

Power bombs I think this one I feel like that one's gonna be like in the Always in the top of the conversation I don't know how it was it for you, but like, okay, say when I watched Damon Jackson get knocked out, I was like, oh, wow, that's amazing. What a crazy knockout, you know? Because I know Damon Jackson's a high level fighter. He's a good fighter.

He's a good fighter. When Jordan Levitt slammed Wyman, I didn't get that same feeling. I just felt like, oh, that's just, you know, because it wasn't like, it was. It was. It was a little icky. It was a little icky. Okay, okay, I was wondering if that was just me that felt that way, but like, it didn't, like, some knockouts are cool, but you're like, oh, that guy, that guy took a beating, but this one was like, oh, yeah. It was scary.

Okay. The nastiest would probably always be, if we're not talking about UFC, of course, the Rampage, Arona one, which I, of course, will always say it was not technically a slam knockout because it was, it was the head butt that knocked out Arona. But, I mean, if we're just talking with the visual, nothing's ever going to top a Jackson slamming Arona. That's the nasty. It's slam-esque, K-O that you'll ever see in everything. And you know why that was particularly nasty? Because from a, just from a TV standpoint, it was shot in a ring. So, because it's shot in a ring, the camera can shoot almost eye level.

So when you see that knockout, you're actually seeing it, like, as if you're just sitting on their ring. So it's always even, the impact is even more impactful. So if you're wondering why why visually it felt more intense And people forget You know I haven't seen this a lot on Twitter tonight Like talking about like the slam knockouts People are forgetting Mo Jessica Androge against Rosamayunez

That was a filthy nasty slam too That was this scary Yeah Someone in our comments mentioned it Joshua Kerry mentioned it He said he thinks his so Josh Kerry shout out to you Yes That was scary that way yeah that was one actually that was one that i would definitely say as far as like high level

it's two a level fighters fighting each other that was a that was the scariest knockout i've ever seen yeah it was the it was the i think the fact that she wasn't uh almost like knocked out like cold instantly is kind of what also made it scary because the fight wasn't over right away and you were just like but you knew anyone watching you saw that you saw that she almost landed like again almost on her head almost on the neck and you know just has it's kind of turned over and then and then and just finished, but you're kind of like holy, like you're watching like something's wrong. That's like she, she, she, the way she's turtling and the way she's kind of, like, that's not normal for Rose.

She could be seriously her. And thankfully again, as far as we know, you know, nothing super long term. She's come back and fought already. But that was, yeah, that's another scary one. Yeah. Thank you, Tristan. With Instacard, you get groceries that over-deliver so you can over-share your preferences. Want russet potatoes with no brown spots?

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What's next for OSP? Hmm. Good question, because we might not cover. Well, I think we'll cover on the show, but we're still discussing that. I don't know. No, I don't think we will. No, co-main event, right? Co-main event loser is not necessarily guaranteed.

That's a really good question. How about, how about Mr. DeLidezai? Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, no, I like it. I was going to say, I thought Casey was going to chime in. No, I like it. It's, it's, this is though we're essentially saying that this is OSP's role now is to,

you know again we hate keeping these words stepping stone gatekeeper any of that stuff which you know if fighters hear it it's a it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's feel good being called that some some might feel better about it than others but I think guys who said Anthony Smith

before who you know competed for as recently as like last year right and then an OSP who has competed for title some years back that's a hard thing to accept to be in that role but I think if he was matched up with the leads say then that's presenting a pretty strong message from the UFC that that's that's where they're going to go

I still think there's guys in the top 20 well as delete say might be in the top 20 after tonight. But I think there's other, again, closer to experience level. But I think we saw tonight that at some, really there's no, and considering how many fights he has in the UFC, this is 23rd UFC fight tonight. It's really hard to match him up with anyone with similar experience levels. So it might be the delete says that he has to sign on the bottom line for. What do you think, Casey? What about, let me ask you this. True or false, OSP's next fight will be at 205. Yeah, that may be, no, I think it's false.

I think it's false. I think, yeah, I think, I don't want to be negative, but with Dana White talking about all these cuts coming up, you know, I don't know what OSPs gets paid, but I know, you know, he's probably on the, the higher end of the 205ers. But if he does stay around, there's actually lots of fights for him, to be honest. He's still a name. He's a name. He's a name in a sense that you need to be. him to become a name. So I don't think there's going to be a shortage of U.S.E finding good opponents for OSP, either at 205 or heavyweight. I still want to know why he didn't make weight at

205. That's still this big mystery. So secretly, I kind of wanted him to win just because so I could hear like what happened. But whoever, what's next for OSP is really who the UFC matchmakers want to push. because I really don't think the UFC or the matchmakers are trying to matchmake for OSP to get a title shot anytime soon. Maybe do OSP versus Jake Collier at heavyweight.

I like that. I'd be down for that. I'd be okay with that. Oh yeah. Let's do it. You know what? We didn't get any like. Or John Valante.

Yes. There you go. Heavyweight. And I want to see I want to see OSP like at 264. I don't want to see OSP like at 230. I want to see like big. I want to see big gut OSP. He was a 240 when he fought Ben Rothwell.

Yeah. Okay, we got 25 more pounds to add to him. Or second, I thought OSP and Volante had fought. Somehow they haven't. That seems bizarre. They really? They're two strike force vets who were still in the UFC after this many years. Oh, no, I'm sorry.

They did, I'm sorry, I was looking at the, they did fight. Oh, it was, I'm dumb. It was Valante's first fight with the UFC. Seven years ago, how could I not remember this? C-159. Yeah, but they fought there were little twigs at 205. Now they're big, thick boys.

You know. I'd love to say that very much. That's a lifetime ago. Yeah. Yeah. OSP, John Valante, at 266 pounds. Open up a new division.

Oh, right at the, right at the edge. They're going to open up the division. Not championship weight? Oh, they normally want to say my championship weight. I had so much fun watching Valenti and Collier fight. That was just so much. Hey, I caught it. I caught it on the preview show.

I said, that's the fight, man. That was the fight to watch. And sure enough, they started off strong, but then they just kept slowing down, but they were still throwing haze. They were still throwing those bungalows. It was great. And the fact there was no, there was no fans. And, like, you could hear just, like, bellies getting slapped.

Oh, it was great. And, like, just so much sweat. It was like, oh, it was amazing. Oh, man. I love that. I love that part of M. Like, we get, you know, guys with like 12 packs, whatever. I just want to see two guys and two pegs in front of everybody.

There really wasn't a bad fight in the card. I think they got it. Yeah, I think they got to start off on a really nice note. Yeah. And Collier really impressed me, I will say. This was a back against the wall performance. I think Collier doesn't win this. Valante, I think, is pretty well-liked by management.

He's a character, and he's got a marketable character. Collier, I think, was probably back against the wall. And he needed this one. and good. One a convincing decision and an entertaining fight. Wow. So his UFC run has been lost, lose, loss, win, loss, win. Oh, God, his whole UFC run has been one loss, one win, one loss, one win, his entire

UFC run. That is, except for the last two fights. Where, where am I looking? He's last two around now. You're talking about Collier, not Volante. No, call here, Collier. Collier. Oh, Collier, my bad.

Yeah, yeah, sorry. Yeah. Well, this is his first fight as a, again, he worked like 60 or 70 hours a week as a welder throughout most of his career. So this is like the first, this is the first time he was like a full-time fighter. Like he had full training camp. And now he's, he's honed in. He's focused.

He's 10 years into his career. He's 10 years in. Well, now he, listen, now he's a full-time fighter. He can just focus on the train and the, uh, and they eat and the fighting. What a new thing? What a weird sport? Like, he's been in the UFC for six years now, and it's still a part-time gig.

Just like, yeah, that's not how it should be. That's not how we should do. Yeah, that's just odd. Yeah, we saw, like, guys like Brandon Royval, like after his first UFC fight and getting a bonus, like he quit his job.

Now he's a full-time fighter. We've seen the year that guy's had. Oh, I just, who was it that keeps saying he, Cass Williams or Cass Williams who said he still, working his job or Buckley? No, it's walking Buckley. Yeah, he's still worth.

Marks. Or something. Right. He's still working at Walgreens. Brad Riddell versus Benitez. Interesting matchup. Sure. I'll steal that for our show.

Yeah. I feel like Brad Riddell might be past Benitez. But Brad Riddell is awesome and he put him against anyone. I just want to see him fight, be honest. Yeah. I'm so excited. I still like, I'll allow it. I still like Radell versus Alex Hernandez.

Yeah, that's what I mean. I think Redell, I think Redell is a little farther up the left. Yeah. He's three and three and a three. That's fine. Thank you. Kehoe. Was it just me or was Cruz correcting Felder a lot tonight?

I think he does that a lot. I don't think that's an exception tonight. He does that a lot. I think with whoever he's commentating with. I thought Cruz and Felder were great tonight. Yeah. Yeah, they were. Because like, like, and like, and like, like, I know, I love to roll my eyes.

like, oh my God, really guys? Or like, you know, because these are UFC commentators. Their checks are rent by the UFC. So they never like, you know, they don't want to trash anyone. But I feel that Cruz and Felder and Annick were still honest. And they never tried to oversell me something, you know. So I just think that's why I really appreciate them. And not one point did I go, that's stupid or what?

Everything is, okay, that makes sense, you know. So I'm always happy of that. Someone mentioned in the comments earlier, or did it seem like they were talking about addressing the judging more? And I think they were, but I think that also has a lot to do with Bisping was not in there. Bisping, I think is a good color guy, but also it doesn't have the best grasp of scoring or sort of how the judging works. We were very critical of him and Rogan. I think the last time him and Rogan were doing a pay-per-view.

And I think rightfully so, I know we're going to take a lot of flack for that. A lot of all you Rogan fans out there don't want to hear that. But I think they, together, they just didn't do a great job. And poor DC got dragged into it as well, and it was just shenanigans. But yeah, but Cruz, Felder, and Anick all seem to have a really good grasp with generally how scoring should go. Of course, you know, everyone, it's live TV, you're going to make mistakes. You're going to see things maybe not 100% accurate.

But they're pretty good about explaining things, making sense of the scoring. So, yeah, if it seems like they were, I don't think it's like they were allowed to. I think it's just the nature of this team. They're analytically minded. And they did, yeah, I thought that was one of the best parts of the show tonight was not just their, you know, their chemistry. but judging and scoring is something people need a lot of education on, including us sometimes. So for them, the way they handled it tonight, that was really great.

One of the worst parts of the show, though, was Paul Felder shaping his mustache. What was that about? It's December now. November's over. Mustaches are all year long, Mr. Browder. Your mustache is a lifestyle, bro. It's a lifestyle. We got to say.

By the way. listen to any Dominic Cruz interview that has ever existed and he will correct, he will correct and turn the interview over to you and start interviewing you and asking you questions. He's a smart guy. Yeah, he really is. That's who he is.

He's a smart guy. He's probably, when it comes to analysis, he's probably one of the smartest fighters that we've seen so far. Again, I'm sure somewhere down the road we'll have better fight analysts, but as of now, he is, I don't know if he's the best on-air person. I'll be honest, like in the booth,

but his analysis is top-notch. It's elite. I mean, he's probably the standard of, breaking things down. But Casey, you can't be mad at Felder because he also had the commentary of the night when addressing the deletes, John Allen's split decision.

He was like, that's the word, he's like, that split decision was as bad as the split decision I had with, with Raphael de Sanyos. I was like, I did not win that fight. He was decided to say, whoever scored that part for me, that was crazy.

And this was worse, this was as bad as that. So always, always a very self-wear and willing to make fun of himself. I did appreciate that. Really good. That was hilarious. Really funny. And of course,

Dominic Cruz just booked his next fight against Casey Kenney. How about that? Who, that's a good, a fun fight? I mean, yeah, it's going to be a fun fight,

but who saw that one? I think everyone was like, Cruz Edgar. Everyone was like, Cruz Edgar, Cruz Edgar. Make it happen. Make it happen.

It's a perfect time. Maybe San Hagan. Maybe San Hagan. Maybe San Hagan, yeah. Like, Kenny, go get it. I don't know if, will ever know, we'll ever find out the real answer,

but I really want to know, is that the, is that what the UFC wanted or is that what Dominic Cruz wanted? I'm sure Casey Kennedy isn't, isn't in the position to say that's what he wanted yet, but I'm just kind of, I'm curious. If that's, if that's the fight Dom saw, like, okay, that's the fight I need to come back to, or I'm not sure. I have no idea. This is a big step up.

I have a theory. My theory is Casey Kenny and his manager, Jason House, were probably blowing up the matchmaker saying, I'll fight, I'll fight, I'll fight on this card. Oh, he's out, I'll fight on this card. It's probably just numerous texts and messages because Casey Kennedy just wants to fight every weekend. You know this by now.

And they were probably like, listen, if you leave me alone, we'll get you something that you'll like. And then they gave him Dominic Cruz, and now he'll leave him alone for the next four months. So that's basically how they looked at it. Like, all right, leave you alone, we'll give you Dominic Cruz.

How about that? All right. All right, I'll lose your number for a few months. pestering and annoying someone to get an opportunity. I'm very familiar with this tactic. It is how I've had many good, yeah, that's how I got hired here. It's usually how I get any dates. Yeah, usually that's how any of my rare dates happen is through this tactic.

So I can respect that. I believe that if that is true, I do think there's a lot of, it's very possible that that's how that happened. But huge step up for Kenny. I mean, in name value, his last few points was Nathaniel Wood, good fighter, not nowhere near as famous is Domina Cruz, highly elatang, Louis Smoka, Murab was a nice one,

but again, not a famous name, Mani Bermudas, and Ray Borg, really, how he started his career. So he started off with a bit of name value, but Dominicruz is a bleeps beyond these guys.

So if he gets that win, boy, that is so, so huge. And he is a blue chipper, and it's a winnable fight. But maybe Cruz accepted the fight because he knows something we don't. Maybe he thinks this is a favorable matchup for him. So that's interesting.

I can't. The footwork in that fight would be so fun to watch. I think Dominic Cruz is buying Casey Kinney simply because if you kind of squint your eyes

in Casey Kinney fights it kind of looks like TJ Delishaw. I knew you're going to say that. I'm just, I knew you're going to say that. Well, TJ warm up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every time we do an interview with Casey Kenny, that's like 90% in the comments that he looks like T.J. Delishaw. Oh, it's still a shot 2.0. All that good stuff.

I feel bad. I feel bad when fighters get that comparison. When the constant comparison to someone else are like, yeah, we punch and we both have tattoos. Yeah, I guess we look alike. You know, just we're getting so many comments, actually, for karaoke suggestions for Mr. AK. I'm not seeing any of these. Oh, hungry. Hungry eyes. I'm embarrassed.

Which one's hungry eyes again? I'm sorry to have to ask. I know it's embarrassing. I'm sure you. Oh, of course. Oh, yeah. Between you and I. Oh, pretty.

Pretty. Okay. I love that. That's a jam sandwich right there. Sorry, David. David Sandin. I know that song, of course. Great recommendation.

I apologize. I should have recognized. Oh, that's terrific. So we get a lot of people asking for the link. Do you have one? Yeah, I'll tweet it out later. I'll tweet it. I've been told not to promote it on an MMA fighting channels.

So I respect that. I'm no, I cannot use our platform for my only fans. Yes, yes, but I'm correct. Yeah, there's some, there's some singing and there's a lot more than that. Let me tell you. No, but again, I told us I can't. Whoa. I am not allowed to promote this.

What time is it on the East Coast? Woo! Legally, I've told Box Media, I will not promote my only fans on our channel. Check out my Twitter. I will send, I will send it out. Or join my mail. That's what he means. I play guitar along with the scene.

Ooh. I just want to What is it without the saxophone, though, really? I mean, you get Gerald Beershart. He'll play with you. Oh, I would love. That's true. That'd be a great co-lap, yeah.

Maybe a little holiday gift for the peeps. Last one. That's one real quick. Face the pain. We will just watch our video on, did we do a video out of it or just on you? Was it only a tweet? A face the pain video?

When we got all the fighters, we got all the fighters. Yeah, yeah, we did do a face of a video. pain video early in the pandemic can they find it on youtube though is it on youtube yeah yeah okay look up yes guys look on our channel for our face the pain uh montage we got angela hill who's in there angela hill uh i think we got our old buddy ariel hawani's in there uh white grants in it um white grants in it um al germain sterling's in it um yeah um marando a alish really is the star he stills the show he still the show yeah oh yeah what a song though based i feel like face

the pain is a great theme for 2021. I think a lot of us had to face the pain this year, and I hope came out better for it. So, oh, what is the band called? What's the band called? The band that sings face the pain?

Yes. Why am I? Why am I starting? It's like a regular word that's spelled wrong. Yeah, someone will mention it in the comments. Please, people are in the comment. What is that? I am so embarrassed. I'm not going to look it up.

I feel like I should remember this. What is it? Stem. With two M. I got it. It was a dumb word that spelled incorrectly. And for some reason that becomes a timeless song, which I'm sure has become again, even more relevant during these difficult times.

2002 was the first time that song was played on a UFC broadcast. 18 years ago. Holy cow. Isn't that crazy? It is timeless. You know what? It is time to end this suffering. I need a minute to myself.

I need a minute to myself. Who among us has not said that? So I can drift away. Yeah. Who among us has not thought that or said that? You would never get to me. People, if you ever need to take a minute for yourself, do it. You deserve it.

You do that. You work hard. Life is hard. So you got to stop end that suffering. Take a minute to yourself and find that inner piece. Ripping into peace. pieces. Yes.

It's a beautiful song. Into pieces. Casey, do we have more questions? Are there questions? No, no, I will say, though. I deleted all the fight-related questions. Don't worry. They're gone.

I will say that Ron Perlman's opens for those pay-per-view events are unbelievable. They're so good. Do we get any more questions? We probably take a couple more. Yeah. Any 256 questions? 256.

I mean, oh, I mean, that's a good card. Here we go, here we go. Let's answer this question. It isn't about tonight, but next week, Manel Cape, revealed by MMA fighting zone,

Mike Heck, will be on standby if something happens to Figgy versus Moreno. Thoughts on another new fighter being on standby. I love it. I love it so much. I confirmed it with a couple

different people last night. I was actually kind of excited. Like normally when I confirm news, I don't get goosebumps, but see a Minel Cape in that spot, kind of gave me goosebumps. I think it's a brilliant move. It's smart, especially with Pantosia,

not being able to fight on December 19th. You got Cape there. He's ready to go. He's been training at AKA, so he's already out on the West Coast anyways. So get him in there. Have him on standby. You get two guys coming in, three weeks notice apiece, the shortest turnaround for champion and challenger in UFC history. It's nice to have a guy there, and what a story that would be.

And I don't want to see anything happened to Figuero or Moreno, because I am really interested to see how that fight plays out. What a story that would be if Manel Cape who's had multiple fights, agreed to, signed, multiple dates, finally makes his UFC debut and he fights for a title in his first fight. That'd be so crazy, so wild. I'm actually interested, so if, I don't know if anyone knows the answer to this. So say if Figurato misses weight, does that mean he's automatically pulled from the fight or is there just a non-title fight? I don't know. I mean, because, I mean, he's already missed, he's already missed once this year.

Yeah. And I know like you're, you're playing with a little bit of fire here, turning them around in three weeks. But he did put pen to paper and say, I will be there and I will be at 125. If he misses, I think it's for a vacant, you got to do a vacant title, right? So they're going to strip him from it. I mean, they may, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't know.

I don't know what you do. And he's there as a backup and sees somebody misses Wade even if it's the champion. Yeah. I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know what they'll do.

Yeah. And I don't want to be the, you know, the mask police or anything, but I was very worried because I think Ariel Hawani from ESPN posted a video of Figurato getting his hair done at a salon.

He is not wearing a mask. His stylist is not wearing a mask, but the camera people and the people in the background are wearing masks. So I was like, I was like, guys, I was like, dude, Figgie, you have a main event pay-per-view coming up. I don't care if you think this is fake or whatever. He's had it already. If you get, yeah, if you get it, if Al-Lide gets it, like, there's, like, come on, man, if your corner argument gets it, the fights off.

So, like, wear a freaking mask, man, just so I can see you fight, because you, are an amazing fighter, but you got to show up. You got to be there. You have to be virus-free. So that really worried me. So I'm sure Monell Cape was like, ooh, when he saw that video. But I love Mnell Cape as a backup. This actually makes a lot of sense for this fight. Sometimes it's just, it's just weird. Hey, maybe it's going to be one of those way-ins where they're going to have just like three or four or five different fighters just weigh in. We're like, hey, who's this guy? Remember like, like, what was that one way in? You had like four-fire. A fight out. Yeah, it's just like, what? Oh, yeah, that was so confusing.

And then I remember, oh, gosh, when one of was it Robert Whitaker's teammates or something came up and we just had no idea. That was hilarious. That was almost like they were making fun of us because at least we knew everyone else was weighing in. And then we just brought up this completely new sign-in. And we were just like, it was like a skit. It was like a Saturday Live skit. It was like it was really funny. There's one comment I just want to call out from Johnny Canuck because it's not a question.

It's just a nice thing to say. He said, I thought this channel sucks for a while. That part's not nice. But you guys made an amazing comeback, LOLL. This Mike guy is great. So China-Kinnaka, we agree. This Mike guy is great.

So thank you for leaving that comment. I do want to say one thing about Joseph Bose's question. I think the one thing we just didn't mention was he also specified, what do you guys think of that's a new fighter? It's a new fighter that's good. I think he means a new fighter, much like Michael Chandler, it was a new fighter to the UFC. Right.

And then was put into a champion. championship spot. It hasn't only been new fighters. I'm trying to remember what other fighters have been on standby for a championship fights. It's pretty rare. They usually don't plan for it. It's usually only when something like this happens where a fight falls out and then they keep someone up. Pantosia, was he kept on as a standby for one of those flyway title? Am I crazy? But one I remember was, didn't cannoneer get brought in as a backup? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, God. So strange. I don't remember what fight that was for.

Was that $244? Was that for the Telfth gasolm fight? Oh, I was going to say Izzy Romero? It wasn't a Tustle fight? I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember. Let's look at this. I do remember him.

I want to say it was 240, because I think it was there. But I think more than that, I could be wrong. But has any backup fighter who's made White ever actually fought? I don't know. I mean, people bring up the Joe Soto one all the time, but he wasn't like a backup. He was on the card. He was on the card. Yeah, he was somebody else. Yeah. He was not, he was not scheduled to the backup. By having Mano Cape on the car has an official backup means the fights happening. Figgie versus Moreno is happening. Because as far as I remember, like, anytime they have a backup, actual a scheduled backup, it's the main event's always been fine. or whatever.

Canineer, we got ourselves a, sorry, it was UFC 248. So it was Izzy and Romero. So we probably would have gotten a better fight if a canoneer stepped in for one of those gentlemen. But it does set a bit of a strange precedent to have newcomers come in and get that be so close to a title fight. Because when you think about how hard and some of these guys have to compete who are already in the UFC to try and get a tailshot and how long have they've been there, it's a little bit, I think, discouraging, I would think, to see. Someone can just come in for their first fight and just through happenstance get a title shot. And I'm like, I'm like 12 and 6 in the UFC and like I've never had one. It's strange.

It don't matter if you're 12 and 6. It means you lost six times, man. Oh, wow. This is Manel Cape. Like, like these fights outside the UFC don't matter, man. Like, come on. Great. Well, that's a good thing.

And Cape was in town. You're going to be in the following week. So it makes sense. Yeah. Chandler was just there solely for that fight. Well, I think what I'm saying is, I wish they would just be more aggressive. And we all agree in this with scheduling backup fighters and paying them.

Scheduled backup fighters and paid in their show money. If they successfully weigh in, boom, that's your show money. And everything else again, everything else is taking care of, you know, that you would normally take care of for a fighter coming in. So it shouldn't be at any expense to the replacement. It should just be gravy for the replacement outside of the fact that, obviously, they have to take a title fight under less than ideal circumstances. But yes, I just wish it wasn't.

It just looks weird when it's two of the biggest ones this year are new guys who have never fought in the UFC. But I think if it was something they did more frequently with other fighters, it wouldn't be an issue at all. Yeah, it's, it's, because just looking at the rankings right now, number two, Moreno is number one. Benevita is number two. That's not going to happen. Asker Ascarov probably isn't in the country. So that's no. Alex Perez just fought for the title.

He's at four. Pantosia's not in the UFC anymore. Brandon Roy Val is number six. He just lost to Moreno, and he hurt his shoulder, so he's probably not even cleared to fight. So the next one in line would be Rogerio Bonterine in terms of the rankings. And then there's Kai Kauer, France, Matt Schnell. I mean, it's got to be middle game. Yeah.

I mean, just proclamation where we're at in this crazy world, him being in the U.S. already. It just, I just don't think there's anybody else. And it's just smart promotion, too, because it's very, It's unlikely Manel Cape will actually fight in that main event. But now it gives fans and media a chance to talk about Manel Cape, get people excited about him, just know more about him, which I feel most fans still, well, he hasn't fought in a year now. You know, he hasn't fought since his title win in Risen last year.

So, yeah, I think it's the best option, and it's a smart promotional move by the UFC. I got to tell you, when I put that tweet out, there was a lot of excitement, a lot of excitement around that. People were like, whoa, this is awesome. So it's good to see that people, A, know who Minnell Cape is, and B, if they didn't before, I don't know if they watched like interviews or just like went back and saw that he signed and they went back and watched old fights and realized that this

dude is, is serious. You know what confuses me about Minnell Cape in a good way? I've seen, I think you've interviewed a couple of times. And I'm like, he's such a kind of, he's kind of a calm, quiet guy. But man, if you watch him fight or the way-ins, dude, he is like Mr. Intensity. He's just like, just like, he wants to fight everyone in the building. You know, he's just like punching fire extinguisers, like running through walls. I mean, he's like, so like, but like in his off time when he's not fight week, man, he's just a chill dude.

I just, I love, I love that part about all the personalities in this sport. Yeah. He got pretty fired up the last time I talked to him. He was, he was on point. Unfortunately, the fight got canceled. but a. A.K. still thought it was a slip-up. I don't think so. Colin Cody Garbrandt, Cody Garbage, and saying it like with all seriousness was one of my favorite lines of the entire year on what the heck.

Yeah, you want to, I'll fight Cody Garbage. I love that. I was like, this is great. Minot Cape versus Cody Garbrandt. Oh, that was close. It's so close. You're like, you almost, yeah. Oh, man. Man. Man. Get Mino Cape in the cage. Two-fifix is a good card. It's a good, it's a really, really good card. You got the title fight.

Tote Ferguson versus Charles Olivera is ridiculous. Mike. Anato Maitano versus Hafeel Fiziv. Mike, Mike. How many fights dropped out just today? That's, that's, that's, this. Well, look, it's a point of one. I think it's a 14 fight card next week.

So they've stored enough chestnuts away for the winner. 13. that way. 13. So we can take a hit. Yeah, Gillian Robertson and Andrew Lee is off.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry, thank you. I'm looking at Wikipedia right now. Hits are coming in now. And they might. And look, and this might be the case for frankly, the last two December cards, if we're being honest.

Something has gone, I don't know if something has changed the protocol or not. Or people are just being less careful, I don't know. But we're getting a, it feels like we're getting a few more cancellations on these cards. It could be, It could be winter.

I don't know, isolation is driving people a little crazy. So there being a little more careless in that sense. Immune systems are just getting weaker. Again, we are talking about flu season. So there's a lot going on. So I, like I said, don't be surprised at these last two cards. Yeah, we do see two or three fight cancellations. Fingers crossed.

Hopefully this doesn't happen. Hopefully, we complain about long cards. Hopefully everyone's healthy. Everyone stays on. But I'm just saying, yeah, if people are asking, is it possible, we lose a lot of fights in the next couple weeks? Yeah, it's actually really, really possible. Yeah.

my just don't don't don't get my hopes up I'm so I'm so actually I'm super excited for these last two weeks and so like I'm excited I'm excited I'm excited I'm excited for the bellatory card this that this Thursday too and like yeah just like yeah I'm like I was I was supposed to go down to san Diego and I was going to do some videos of her just her training and stuff but I was like I was like I can't go because just the virus and like I can't run that risk of me giving her the virus somehow or something like that You know, so I was like, crap. So I was just like, you know, we had this whole thing planned. I was going to do a, I was going to do a video of her dogs and everything and her and her

swimming and stuff. I was like, uh, I just, I had to be responsible. That's a big fight. That's a big, her and Velasquez. That's the most, I'd say that's the most highly anticipated fight of her title of fight of her career. And that's a good place to be when you're on your, I think this is her fifth, her fifth title defense. That's a good place to be when you're, when you keep building interests like that.

So, yeah, I don't know where she goes after this because of Lasquez is the clear, clear, clear number one contender and probably has been for a while. But it's great that they finally got this fight together. And fingers crossed, it stays, and we see that on Thursday. And if she beats Velazquez? Velazquez or Velazquez? I just say Velazquez. Yeah, if she beats Velazquez, then I think just the conversation about Lima is going to be just

more fun to talk about because you know you're going to get the Shevchenko things and everything. So I think her, if she, if she beats Vasquez, Vasquez, It's going to be just fun Just fun in the women's flyweight division I spoke to her the other day And I mostly jokingly said Look again there's no strawweight or bantam weight division Unfortunately in in Belator

She would like to go up to 135 eventually if that's a possibility But I said how about a suit Would you go out one more division The two biggest women stars in Belator You and Cyborg And her response was literally she said Do you want me to die So I do

Which I love that about her. I do not think we will be seeing a Lemaichfarlovers the Chris Seberg Super Fight anytime soon. So there you go. There's your update for it. Isn't it refreshing for a fighter to say they're not invincible?

Yeah. Yeah. Not like talk up this fight that you know is not going to happen. No, she knows. It was a bit of a silly question and obviously she, and she answered as such.

So you respect that. Anything else? We could probably take like, One more if there's anything juicy. I like this question, actually. Where do we go? Who do you think improved more from their last fight? Izzy or Marvin?

From their, wait, from their last from Izzy versus Marvin? I'm assuming the time. When they originally fought, yeah. Oh. I like that. I thought Izzy always said a great thing. Like, I think during that fight week, you said, if you want to beat me, you better fight me last week or something like that because I'm going to getting better.

and I wonder that about about now I'm thinking about Marvin though because I didn't think Marvin's going to win tonight but he clearly is a smarter just more well-rounded better fighter so I actually don't know the answer to this I mean I think my default Izzy wins just because I mean look at the competition that Izzy's beaten and like he has he has gotten better each and every fight like people poo-poo the Romero fight but I mean that's just That's just a stylistic kind of a nightmare.

Yeah. Because you can't go in there and, like, do what you did to Costa to Romero because you put yourself in some serious jeopardy. But I think a lot of people picked Izzy to beat Paul Costa. I don't know if anybody picked, I mean, besides Izzy himself, Izzy pretty much guaranteed. Like, I'm going to go in there and just blast this dude. It ain't going to be close. It's not even going to be competitive at all. And there are a lot of people who thought Paul Costa had a really good chance of winning that fight.

And Izzy just looked, I mean, he pitched a perfect. game. He pitched a perfect game. And we haven't, I mean, we've seen Votori get finishes, but we haven't seen Votori just go out there and just annihilate somebody in the top five like that. I mean, that's just unfair. That was just unfair to watch. Vittori has improved a lot, though. No doubt about it.

I think the case of Votori would be, it's a little, it is difficult to gauge. We've seen, is he quite a few more times than we have Votori so we can kind of gauge how much it's improved even more. I think that the thing is, the case for Vittori would be how much of a finished product was at Disney by the time he made it to the UFC because he was, let me look here, he was 11 and 0. So, you know, still not like a ton of experience, but plus the kickboxing.

So I think so as how different is he from the first time we saw him. Again, I probably would lean towards at Disney as well, but I understand why the question is posed because Vittori, again, from that loss has a very good since, has shown a, few more aspects of his game. It's funny. He has good submission skills, but it still kind of received as a striker, but he got to show the submission skills against Colin Roberson, and then he got to show a lot of the striking tonight against Jack Hermanson. So I think it's closer maybe than what we're saying, but at Disney, yeah, you got to give him the edge.

He's had the benefit of just the level of competition just keeps getting higher and higher and higher and higher. So iron sharpens iron, I have to imagine, even though maybe it's been more incremental because we've seen Izzy fight more, but I would go with, Izzy. But yeah, Vittori for sure, for sure since that first fight, man, that maturity is just you can't, you can't put a price on maturity. And he's showing it a lot as he goes, his age 27, 28 years. So, yeah, good stuff. But yeah, I like that good, great question. And I've said, I've said this a few times before.

I think the fact that Vittori fought Izzy, the time he fought him was like the best thing that could have happened to him. Because he, he, he, Izzy came in talking that, talking that greasiness as Jose Young's likes to say. And you can tell it got to Marvin. I mean, it definitely did. And it gets to a lot of people because Izzy's just such, he's just so good with the verbal warfare. He could just, he could beat guys before he get in the octagon.

Did the same thing with Paul Acosta. I mean, he was in Paula's head like right off the jump, like just the things that they said back and forth. And Izzy just so confident, just shrugged it all off. Like, he's just so good like that. And like, we've seen Connor do that to guys as well. So I'm probably to Porier the first time around. Joseo Aldo, I mean, that's a time example.

Eddie Alvarez, too. But now Vittori's been there before. He's seen it. It'd be very interesting. I mean, you know he's going to turn that dial up to like a thousand if they fight again. But Vittori's seen it already. So that rematch becomes even more interesting because of the mental approach to the fight as well. Yeah.

There's a lot of heat for that rematch, which again, after their first fight, I don't know if I would have said that. I mean, it was a good fight, but I don't know if anyone after it was clamoring for like, oh, I can't wait see these two fight again. But they've certainly, again, they've both taken care of business. And Vittori has definitely done his part. So, yeah, that's a marketable rematch for sure. I think Vittori is just missing that. He needs that one big knockout, though.

Like, you know, because unfortunately, he's going to have decisions. But if he keeps winning just of the storyline alone, the rematch and just Vittori, it just isn't afraid to know, just say whatever he wants on the mic. So, but I want to toot my own horn real quick. Look at this. Look at this. Can you read that? Wait, was that?

No. Oh, I thought it was tonight. No, no. These are all my picks for on Tapology of Izzy throughout the throughout his his sparing of UFC. Yeah, that's a perfect. And look at, look at his last fight against Costa. Perfecto.

Wow. You've done it a couple times. Casey, you're great. We know this. I know. Who won the picks tonight? Jason Herzog said you. You were one of them.

Casey did win our picks tonight. And Jason Hergog said you're one of the greatest Casey. I'm not going to argue with him. Yeah, Jason, he's never, he's never, been wrong. That's kind of his thing. He's literally never been wrong. All right. Sometimes I just pick with Stratigery.

So like I picked Jose Cignones to be Louis Mokka. I still thought, and even said to Casey during the fight, I think Cignon is the better fighter, but he's chinny as hell. But Smokka just, as soon as he got into the mat, very opportunistic and just thumped on him. Smuggle looked great tonight. That take down to, take down to the kind of judo hip throw right straight to mount.

And it's like, oh, my goodness. Like, you know, at the beginning of that fight, I thought Smok was, didn't look too good at the beginning. At least the first half round. But, yeah. Man, but you know, for a throwaway fight night, we talked an hour and a half, guys. Well, I think we had to make up for some of the lost. You know, this is for the lack of fights. I honestly thought there was a chance that

tonight's show is yet cancelled and I think we would have just hopped on and said we're going to do like a three or four hour show right like live chat I would have done it honestly I would have done it to talk about again talk about the fights that should have happened we could have predicted well we could yeah oh here's how this fight would have gone if it had happened

and we'll talk about matchmaking give a little on to the next one preview things that yeah so we would have people we would have been here for you if there was no fight card tonight thank goodness it did not get canceled but if it had been, we would have been here for you. We would have done like an Errol Spence watch along or something. We would have found a way.

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I did not, I don't know, I did not tell them to go home again. Fair enough. You can find the musical stylings of AK on On to the next one, which will drop sometime tomorrow. At worst, you'll get a Monday morning. So make sure you subscribe to the podcast network and never miss an episode. For that being said, UFC Vegas 16 is in the books. It is now, as Bill Belichick would say, paraphrasing him,

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