MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 19 Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: February 21, 2021

With UFC Vegas 19 in the books, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, Jose Youngs, Alexander K. Lee and E. Casey Leydon break down the top storylines coming out of Saturday night's event at the UFC APEX, including the results of the main event between Curtis Blaydes and Derrick Lewis. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Well, hello there, everybody. We're back. UFC Vegas 19 is in the books and ended emphatically with Derek Lewis, ferocious, ultra-violent knockout of Curtis Blades. Just under 90 seconds in round number two. The man is unbelievable. Put some respect on the Black Beast name, everybody.

What a performance that was. Hope you guys enjoyed the card. We had 12 fights and eight finishes. So there you go. It's a heck of an event. And you guys are all here watching right now. We appreciate that very much. And we want you guys to sort of dictate what we talk about.

So leave your questions, your comments, your thoughts on the card in the chat. We'll get to them in a moment. I am Mike Heck being joined by the whole crew here. We got Jose Youngs, live in Phoenix, live in Phoenix, Arizona. We got Alex Kaley, the Prince of Positivity, and the Great White North. And then we have producer extraordinaire on the ones and twos, E. Casey Lydden, who correctly predicted that Derek Lewis would knock out Curtis Blades. Do you feel, he said fourth round.

He said fourth round. He said fourth round. But still, he did predict it. So, Casey, do you spell vindication C-A-S-E-Y? E. KC. That was a hell of a pick, man. Big time underdog. I think you closed at a plus 350 when it was all sudden done.

So if you laid that money on the dog, you're swimming in dollar dollar bills, y'all. Congratulations to Derek Close. As much as I want to go, yay, I did great. I did pick Olinick too, so. Can't win them all. I won the main. I won the main one.

I did pick that one. was the only one to pick Chris Stakis, and he did the damn thing. So Jose will begin with you. Your thoughts on the main event, what we saw from the Black Beast, Derek Lewis, tonight. It started off as how, as I said it, as I predicted, like, Curtis Blades would just be the superior fighter. And I think I predicted like a fourth round stoppage. I can't remember if I said submission or TK or whatever. But I thought Curtis Blades looked great until he ran into Derek Lewis's fist, which,

which is just the trend of Derek Luz's fights, like the Volkov fight, the Roy Nelson fight, the Latifi fight. Like it just seems like his opponents always get into the better of him. And then Derek Lewis just kind of connects with these flurries. And either it's at the very end of the round because the only way to beat Derek Lewis round and around is basically hold him on the canvas.

And then he comes at you. And he's so difficult to hold down. You spend like four and a half minutes holding him down. And then he gets up and just hit you as hard as a human being as ever hit a human. being for 30 seconds and wins the round or he detaches you from your senses. So that happened tonight.

Curtis Blade looked great and then Derek Lewis punched him and then his night ended. Wild man. A.K., pretty much the trend I kept seeing on Twitter was, wow, Curtis Blades won that first round handily and he didn't use his wrestling at all.

You think he got maybe a little too confident in the stand-up game after that first round? Or, you know, I mean, he tried for a takedown, he didn't get it. landing those leg kicks, they were working to perfection. What did you think of Blades' performance early and how it sort of transcended into that second round? Man, do you guys see that?

I was just watching, just watching the UFC. Derek Lewis knocked this guy out. It was crazy. Were you guys watching that? Holy shit. This UFC stuff is wild. This Derek Lewis's guy crazy. I'm sorry, I'm still reeling from it.

It was literally like, how far? How are we from that KO? It was like maybe, maybe eight minutes, 10 minutes, maybe? Holy. And, you know, and it was funny. It's like, I'm jumping kind of like how it's not surprising at all. Like, do you think we'd be used to this one now? This was his 12th UFC knockout.

He's now tied for the record with Vitor Belfort for the most knockouts in UFC history. So not surprising at all. And it's funny, Mike, you mentioned a lot of sort of the concert of floating social media. And I was picking on our own results page in them fighting. And we're supposed to be like, man, Blake looks great. And what's up with Lewis? like, ah, Lewis, Lewis was a little off. And I'm like, have people never seen a Lewis fight?

This is, it was, it would not be a Lewis fight if he did not kind of give up like that first round and kind of make it look, make his opponent look a little, you know, maybe more on top than they actually are. He's a great pro wrestler, you know, he's getting the other guy, letting the other guy get some offense, kind of putting him over a bit. And then the big kibosh happens. I mean, that was just, that was just amazing. I don't know, Mike, I don't know if, if I can blame Blades his tactics.

you know, he's talked a lot about just wanting to rely on his wrestling. He doesn't care if he'll criticize him as wrestling. But I think there's a part of him, too, as a fighter that wants to show other aspects of his game. And he looked good on the feet. He looked good. It's just maybe this was the wrong guy to kind of play around a bit. Because, yeah, he got caught in that shot. It was maybe telegraphed a little bit too much, and that happened.

So I don't know if I want to criticize his game plan, but definitely standing with Derek Lewis for that long is always not a great idea. Casey, you're a Houston guy. so you have those Houston vibes to you. Maybe it's just in the water. But can you remember a time where Derek Lewis actually said after a win? I felt great in there. Like I woke up and I felt like I could beat the world. Yet again tonight you was just like, yeah, didn't feel that great.

I felt off in there happy I got the win, but I didn't feel that great. I was looking for that one punch and that was it. Like what is it going to happen when Derek Lewis actually like wakes up and feels like he can beat the world when he steps into the Octagon? Well, that ain't Derek Lewis. I mean, that just ain't him, man. Oh, man. Real quick, Derek Lewis,

guaranteed first ballot future UFC Hall of Famer. That's just, to me, that just kind of blows on. I don't care. He might never fight for, well, he might never fight for another heavyweight title.

But, yeah, just like, it's unreal. Like, he doesn't, he breaks all the norms, and it works for him.

But you were saying about AK, you were talking about Curtis Blades, you know, maybe he got too confident in stand-up, but he lost going back to what he was known for, his wrestling. And I think if Curtis Blades would just kind of stay on the outside, throw a bunch of leg kicks, and kept jabbing Derek Lewis. I actually think he could have won this fight. I don't know how long that would have lasted for. I don't know how long Derek Lewis would have just kind of slept to walk his way through that fight. but once Curtis Blade shot in, Derek Lewis was like, oh, I've trained this. I know this one, you know?

So I think from the outside, from boxing range and kickboxing range, I thought Curtis Blades was doing actually good and he won the first round, basically with better stand-up. And but I think, yeah, I think Curtis actually just kind of got nervous and he shot in when he didn't need to. And that's all that's all Derek Lewis needs. It's, it's, it's, that, that power Derek Lewis can generate in such a small amount of space is just, I don't know. That doesn't make sense.

It's great, though. Crazy wild man. Let me, uh, let me ask you, Jose, AK, you and I will have our answer tomorrow, but I know we're going to get a slew of questions about this. We might as well knock this out right now. What do we do with Derek Lewis, Jose? Because it seems like at the, uh, at the beginning of things of fight week when he's doing the media day scrums, Alistair Overeem was at the top of his list. coming off a loss, but still, there's some value to that fight. So do you think Overey might be next, or are we shooting a little bit higher at this point?

Because he's in kind of the same position. Blades is in heading in, heading in, like, it's not getting a title shot coming off of this win. If they make the Overeign fight, I wouldn't blame them, especially because the guy that Overeign just lost to, like Derek Lewis has already knocked and knocked out pretty violently in a similar fashion, like he was losing until he just punched the man in the jaw. I would probably wait for the Giazino Seril Ghan fight to go down, and I may be given the winner of that if he doesn't get Alsteroving. Because, again, Derek Lewis has asked for Alsteroving.

Alistur Overeem was asked for Derek Lewis. So if the beef is there and they want two guys that are known and proven to be main event caliber fighters, then why not? That could be another fight. But if they don't want Alsteroving to knock off a contender, I get that too. Alster Overeign is probably not going to fight Curtis Blade, so maybe you want to wait for him.

For the loser of Gajerzino and Cyril Gond, maybe rematch Junior Josanto, who knows with that. But if it was up to me, Jose Young's, I would probably wait for the winner of Jari Zino and Serial Gahn just because it's a fresh matchup, two guys coming off, it would be two guys coming off wins. And I think if Derek Lewis,

the winner of that fight between Lewis and Jari Zino and Gahn fight, then it just makes sense that the next one would be in line for a title shot, unless John Jones course wants to skip the cue, which I wouldn't blame the UFC. Yep. And that seems to be the plan at this point. Casey, do you agree with Jose? Give him the, maybe the winner of Girozino versus Sierra God.

Do you do Overeign? What do you do with Derek Lewis? Because I don't think there's a wrong answer here. John Jones. I don't, John Jones. I want to see Derek Lewis, John Jones. That's all I want to see. I don't think the Overeign fight, I don't, I don't, I don't, he's going to kill Overeign.

I'm sorry, Derek Lose will put a crushing on Overeign. And I don't, like, the Overeign that showed up the other night against Volko. we're not going to get a better version of that, Overeign, coming to fight Derek Lewis. He's just going to be older or more battle worn. I mean, I don't think Derek Lewis needs that fight other than a paycheck to fight overream. I really hope John Jones wants to get his feet wet

in the heavyweight division before he fights for the title. And I think to do it, I think Derek Lewis is the perfect opponent. I know we're not going to say it because John Jones is here. He's only going to fight for the title. But that's the fight I want to see. Derek Lewis had a much different interview with ESPN Plus, said he wants over him next. It wasn't really willing to throw that name out to Michael Bisbing. Said he wanted the steep A, but he was given sort of like three options, and he took the steep A option.

He wants to fight them wrestlers, as he like to say. So big win for Derek Lewis. Scary, scary knockoff for Curtis Blades. Glad he was on his feet. Obviously, he was out of it. So I'm glad that he's up and seems to be in. at least as good as spirits as you can be. Big win for Yanukuditskaya in the co-main events.

I thought the judges got that right. Eric Colon, I don't know what freaking fight he was watching, but there you go. Go look at the scorecards for that fight. You know what I'm talking about. Derek Minter, great win over Charles Rosa. Chris Dawkes knocks out Alexia Lennox in the first round. Phil Haas, grinds his way to a majority decision win over Naserdin.

I'm of Off. And then Tom Aspinall, that was one of like the quickest transitions from take down to submission. you will see in the heavyweight division. It was like a matter of four seconds. He submits Andre Arlofsky and some good wins overall. Jared Gordon gets a win. John Cassadena Nosea knocks out Eddie Wineland.

That was impressive. Julian Arosa with a flying need under a minute to Nate Landware. Casey O'Neill, what a debut for her. Amon's a hobby. Holy moly you want to knock up that was. Sergei Spivak does the damn thing in the first fight and Chris Tione should be ashamed of himself for letting that fight go on as long as it did.

So there you go. We're awaiting the bonuses. Is any bonus predictions here? Real quick, Mike Egg. What were you saying about the Kuniskaya? You saying Eric Colon had a weird score? Is that weird? Yes.

Did you see that? For Kuniskaya, Villar? I'm looking at MMA decisions. He scored it. Oh, oh, I see it. It's the rounds. You know what I mean? Oh, I see the rounds.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay, now I got you. Sorry. Oh, yeah, the rounds are. Okay, that is weird. Okay. A bit weird.

He picked the right winner. It's just the wrong way to get there. So I guess. He got there was a little confusing. You got there weird, but all right, all right. Yeah. Mookie Alexander, I think Muki Alexander from Bloody Albo put it perfectly. You said, that's like adding five plus three and showing your work.

And it's like not the correct way to do math, but you still ended up with the correct answer. That's how that played out. Yeah, someone, Eric, Colin, you know, Yadokut's Kai was like mounted the whole first round. And he gave the first round of Kuhnizki. And then gave the third round to Kailen-Vier. It's just wild. Just wild. There's Esther Lin's Elpo.

just one elbow just one elbow not all the elbow not all elbows just one elbow okay so we just got the one elbow okay too j not all the elbow tonight all right who we giving bonuses to Jose oh Jose we can't hear you

as I said in the beginning in our pre-fight Q&A I predicted that there would be no fight of the night which I'm standing by so I'd probably do Derek Lewis obviously probably Chris Dawkins, probably Tom Aspinall, and probably is a hobby. Those, those, because, well, no. Well, who met Rodriguez misweight, right?

So probably is a hobby because I was violent. And then Dawkes, Aspinall, and Derek Lewis were all on the main card, all heavyweight. So, yeah, those are my four picks. I love for you. I think it was any controversy. You didn't like the erosa stoppage? I'm completely indifferent on the stoppage. I just, I was personally, even if it was a fine stoppage and Casey gave the thumbs up, I would still pigs a hobby.

Yeah, that was a violent knockout. Casey, why why the thumbs down on the stoppage on the Erosa fight? It's just the incredible amount of unevenness we have in stoppages. We saw Sergei's spitback like murder a man for, how long do we see the man murdered for a round and a half? Almost two rounds. We saw a man murdered for two rounds. And then Nate, I, um, Nate, I say his last name, sorry, Nate, Landware, Landware.

Landware, yeah. Landware. I mean, he is in the UFC for high action fights. That's how he fights. He's going to get dropped. He's going to get up. And I just think that's like, I thought it was a knockdown and it was fine. Hit the back of the cage.

The cage kind of, you know, kind of gave him a weird balance. And I think you just, you let, you let Erosa finish the fight property. So we don't have those questions. And, but, yeah, I mean, do I believe? Rosa was on as a way to win that fight? Yeah, but I think, no, late, I think it was an early stoppage. That's all. And the fact that we're even talking about, it implies, we, I mean, he jumped up and

immediately was like, F this. But we saw there were a couple other standing TKOs tonight, like Olinic and was there another one? I thought there was another one that, like, oh, like, that's a proper stoppage. Like the Olinic one, perfect stoppage. Even though he never got buckled or dropped his knees, you clearly knew he was out. So I just didn't like that stoppage. but um

what's the question was I just I'm just still upset but it's the worst stop it wasn't the worst stop it wasn't the worst stoppage it was just the worst stoppage of the night how about that the only thing is though is uh it's hard to blame the inconsistency because it's different referees Casey that both the late stoppages were Chris Tione right so Mark Smith can't be blamed because Chris Tione doesn't know what the hell he's doing all right I know sorry I'd have to come up hate to come out of Chris Tione but there was two fights that just a little too long

I'm not sure what he was before, which isn't even adding in, the Herb Dean, the standing stop, which was the doc could have stopped earlier. So what did you call him? So I don't think, what did you call him?

I said herb. Herb. Herb, herb, herb. Like I'm crumbling herb. Oh, wait a minute. No, I don't do that. Don't do that, kids. No, but I think Mark Smith is one of the best guys,

probably because, I mean, I know, I know ironically we're talking about it now, but I think most of the times at the end of the night we are not bringing up his name and that's kind of why Mark Smith usually stands out so I only bring him up in this case for illustrative purposes because yeah I think Tyone was again

was a little bit late in some of stopages which you're right made their Erosa one look weird it's like how did those ones go on and Arosa takes one knee it's kind of unclear how badly hurt he was there was another little that should have a little bit kind of how Limp He was so I think that angle helped things

but again there was inconsistency throughout the night that's more of a commission issue I think I just think up but I wouldn't blame Mark Smith for that. I was fine with the Landowner stopper, even though I thought I wanted to win. And I think Mark Smith is a very good ref. That's all.

I don't think, you know, he's, fire that guy, you know. I just, I just thought it was, I,

I'd like to see, I thought Nate, Nate, um, had earned a, he had earned a proper ass kicking, not just one knee that you kind of dropped him. That's all. Nothing,

nothing. I'll forget about tomorrow. All right. What are, uh, what are the, what are the peeps talking about as we await the, uh,

the announcement of the, the bonuses. Oh, yeah. I don't say any questions. Are people asking questions, Casey? I don't say any questions. Eddie Wynne has a better mustache and Casey. I mean, that's, that's very true.

I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We had this discussion here watching the fights with Ms. Elbow. He does, he does the, like, the, the flippy, twisty, you know, like, I'm a, these boxers or I'm a mixologist or, you know, I work. I'm a barris-stuff. It's called the Raleigh Fingers. I'm going for the, you know, 80s dad.

You know, I'm going for the, you know, that's my look. So they're different, they're mustaches, but they're different categories. I'm just saying. So we're not, okay, Seahawks fan 91. Me and Eddie are not in competition. We are mustache brothers, you know. So it's not a competition, bro. I'm just saying.

There you go. Was there a question? Were we just talking about them? No. Sorry. Moustache debate. All right, question. Sorry.

Do you do. Maybe some thoughts, some comments. I do have, there is one question we just got on Twitter, if you want to address that. It's from Luke at Luke C-Z-E. He said, can you guys please give your takes on the second round of the Haas-I-M-A-V-F fight? The second round was a clear win by Imovaugh based on the rules that damage greater than stalling. Did you guys have an issue with the scoring With that fight?

I scored that fight a draw I'm very adamant I think it should have been a draw I like draw too I let the first two rounds for Haas 10 8 for Imov and the third Yeah I'm kind of with that as well Yeah if it was if it was Derek Lewis Fighting Eli Latifi in Houston

Then yeah Phil Holls loses that fight But yeah I personally scored it a draw Do we get the first two rounds for Hawes and 10-8 for imman i think so yeah it almost has to be a 10-8-third for him of off but i mean it was a i said it was a good test for haz i think we said we we said this before the show like this was exactly the kind of opponent he should be fighting uh and we kind of saw him put in i don't know situations where i don't know if we got to show his strengths but i guess the fact that he still got away with the win is a good sign again maybe the judging was questionable but

and also it showed a lot of his weaknesses there's a lot a lot of teachable moments in this fight for Phil Haas. So, uh, lucky for him. He got the win and, uh, a draw wouldn't have hurt him that badly either, but either way, yeah, very tough fight for him. Emovob is a really good fighter. And if he maybe just had that extra gear, he could have put Haas away, but that's a lot of backseat, uh, backseat coaching right here. Yeah, but that's that those 10 minutes of grinding and, no, and some, some good punches he ate from Hawes that, which made him evolve, I think, unable to get to that extra gear he, that he, that he needed to, um, get that definitive 10-8 or finish in that, in that third round.

But yeah, you know, I was super high and I come in. to this card, I felt there were going to be two stars. I thought Casey O'Neill would be a star. Or at least we'll go, oh, that girl is, I wanted to hear a fight. And I thought Phil Hawes would have a breakout performance. Phil Haas didn't quite have the breakout performance. But I think, like AK said, it was a fight he needed. He needed 15 hard minutes.

He needed, because he's had that issue. He's looked great at the beginning. Once he gets tired, he does not take punches well. And all of his losses, for the most part, I feel he's taken, like, as after. the first round after he gets tired his hands dropped he takes that beating and he took that beating tonight but some he was able to weather the storm and get the victory so um a good a good experience for phil hawes and too bad it wasn't a draw go bad for him and off imovov first time for hoss has ever gone to a decision win or lose he never had never gone to a decision unfortunately so this is big

this is big for him yeah big for him to go the distance all right great questions have you guys Casey O'Neill delivered a performance. Yeah. Yeah. That was great. You caught it, Mike. I think as advertised. She's an animal.

She's an absolute animal. And had that fight gone to a third round, that same pace that she put on, would have continued? Like, it wouldn't stop. That's how she fights. Did that fight end with kind of, kind of TKO, ground-up? There were like 600 fights tonight. Sorry, I forget.

Okay, yeah. Yeah, that was a good stoppage. I remember, yeah. I think I liked that. Definitely a good stoppage. Oh. before we go to the questions, can we talk about the once in a lifetime fight that happened tonight that we've never seen before in the UFC? Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

So if you're one of those folks who just was like, I'm going to wait for the main card to start. We had already lost the fight between Jekar Klos and Luis Pena. And then Chas Skelly is in the Octagon, getting ready to fight Jamal Emmer's first fight for Chas Skelly in quite some time. and Jamal Emmer's music plays, I think, and there's no Jamal Emmer's. It was like, it was like Somerslam when Sensational Sherry's about to wrestle with Saffire. And Sapphire just doesn't make the walk to the ring. And we're wondering what's happening. Brennan Fitzgerald gets on the mic says that Jamal Emers had some serious back spasms.

And Joe Martinez makes the announcement. The fight is canceled. He can't make it. And Chas Skelly goes to the back. Now, if you have not watched anywhere, Chas Skelly's press conference, afterwards. It was amazing. He actually sang Tenacious D's Effer Gently into a live microphone with pizzazz. It was amazing. So kudos to Chaskelly. He deserves a performance bonus in my eyes based on that song. What did I say pre-fight? I say who's going to have the best post-fight interview?

I said Chaskelly. Dude, this guy. You win. This guy. I know, I know. Evelyn, you can trap on me in the comments, man, but I know M.A. I know who's going to give the best post-fight speech. And it's from the guy who didn't fight. That's how good I am at predicting these things. Yeah, and we definitely got a more subdued Derek Lewis. Which, by the way, I'm glad at. I know, I know there's a lot of sort of say the line part moments with Derek Lewis.

You know, we're all over. Oh, gosh, I hope he opens up. But he's not, tell me about your balls. Tell me about your balls. Yeah. Oh, see how you farted during the fight. But he's like, look, Declose is a savvy guy of the media. And I don't, I'm glad.

I don't want him becoming. You know, a guy who's just a catchphrase. He's so much more than that. He has a lot of thoughts about things. He still gives him great. I still think he gave some really good post-fight quotes. You know, he just didn't give like a snappy, like cartoonish one-liner. And that's fine.

He shouldn't be, he's not a cartoon character. He's not there to be trotted out and just say some line at the push of a button every time marches out there. So yes, Chad Skelie did win, but props to Derek Lewis for just being normal, just being real. But Derek Lewis was the second best line. Which he always is. No, Derek Lewis is the second best line. I blame you, Herb Dean. as you get a knockout

I blame you herb Dean yeah Derek Lewis to ESPN plus when he called out over him he said I want over him next I'm already greased and oiled up for him so someone pointed out by the way that

I was sorry someone else pointed out that technically UFC 3 also had a fight that was kind of guys came out but then the hoist gray and Harold Howard thing and hoist gracie's teams threw in the in the towel just because the voice was exhaustive and dehydrated. So a very different scenario, I would say a different scenario,

but somewhat of example of one guy had already made their way to the octagon. But that was an official fight. That counted as an official L for Hoyt for Hoyce, right? You know what? It was a tournament, so they needed an official winner. Okay. Yes.

It's funny, depending on database, you look at that, I don't see it as a loss on Hoyce's record. So technically no. Yeah, I don't know. For the longest time I thought it was. Is it? Both guys are in the octagon though, right? Both guys are out there when they call them, right?

Hoyst's guys, they were both at, yeah, and Hoyst stepped in to throw in the towel, and that was about it. So different, definitely different. Yeah, a little different. There you go, but that was wild. Hopefully that one gets rebooked, or at least Chas gets rebooked soon. I thought, I thought maybe we would see Chas Gilly versus Luis Pena at that point, because Panyi called for it. Because Mike, I actually read what? What do I always say?

Go ahead. Say it again for the people who didn't hear. Casey, you can say it for it. No, no, no. This is you, man. No, because I think I've said it enough. As soon as it happens, my Twitter mentions just erupted. So one of you all can say it for me.

Fights don't happen until both guys are in the cage. Bingo. It's not a. Yep. I believe your tweet I'm looking for your tweet it was all caps yep nothing is official

until both men are in the octagon exclamation point oh I'm waiting for two guys going to octagon and then one guy when buffer points to him he's going to raise his hand up and he's like oh my back

so we're like you know DC's going to sneeze or something and he throws his back out white no we still we still got records to beat we still got records to beat we do that was wild uh jinks

Terrence Leverett thoughts on Derek Minner versus Bryce Mitchell being next uh AK and I will be talking about this tomorrow I uh I will I will say I'm not picking that fight

on onto the next one uh nope yeah I don't know I think Mitchell's a little higher Mitchell's a little Mitchell's further than that if anything like Minner versus Philly would be a minute versus Andre Feeley would be a good fight because Feeley just lost to Bryce Mitchell

you know they both a million fights and I think Bryce Mitchell is he's ranked right now he's like 15 or something that yeah yeah I think he's past that I agree uh thanks for the question no I think there's other featherweights that are like like a Lee about right now is right there versus uh if he if he stays at featherweight who did uh Zubaira the one that just he just lost he I know he didn't make weight but like he lost to mean Akeem on fight island like I think that's an awesome fight too those are two action fighters. I think Survivor is booked against somebody.

I forget who it is. I'll have to look that up. I think we have bonuses. I'm trying to find them. I don't, wait a minute. Hold on, hang time, hang time. Nope, I don't see him, but I guess they are up. No bonus?

I guess they're up there somewhere. It's got to be Lewis. I keep saying, I got the caucus in my head. Jesus. Decaucus. I see that. I see that. Derek Lewis is.

Chris is. Jose was right. Derek Lewis. Chris. Chris Doccus. Tom Aspinall. And Zobbi. Yeah.

I'll go up that. That sounds about right. You know, and that goes to show you that the UFC also thought that Erosa stoppage was, it was unfair to Erosa because since he didn't get the clean stoppage, I think that actually robbed him a $50,000 to be honest. I still would have taken that over the darkest stoppage. And the darkest stoppage was great, but I say that like that darkest stoppage, no, that darkest stoppage was great.

Again, I thought it was a little late. But again, yes, I think in terms of bonuses, definitely the UFC will favor late over early, I think almost every time. So, but I would have given the bonus. I think there's a, I think there's an aspect of the bonuses that are, is completely used for marketing purposes. So if they see something in Dawkins, they're going to be like, he has five bonuses,

but like, you know, they want to, like Ronda Rousey got a bonus, a fight of the night bonus against Holly Holm. Was that a good fight? Yeah. No. Yeah, that was a weird. They use it for, they use bonuses to push their,

their narrative. Like, it's why they don't get bonuses. Like, yeah, like we all, like, most of the time they get it right to an extent. But like, like, who is, who is, uh,

who is the, Who's the Boomhauer cat from Fight Island? Going that knocks his opponent dead. Ikeville and a wave. Ikeville in a waver. Like, walk off KOs always good, but he doesn't. Like, they want to, but they give it to Umar, specifically, and you know why they gave it to Umar. I know the whole narrative is competition, level of competition matter and stuff, but like, Umar was on the prelims and his last name is Nergumatov and they want his cousin to come back and fight.

That's why Umar and Numerangana Medov got it over. Ike. going away. Wow. Wow. The conspiracy theories. My goodness. It's not you're not wrong. Conspiracy theories are stupid. This is not a conspiracy. Which is what every conspiracy theory says. This is exactly. This is Jayonon here with the, oh my goodness. Here's the secret. If you ask for a fight, the UFC will never book it. If you say, I want Fighter A versus Fighter B, the UFC will do Fighter C versus Fighter L.

That is what will happen. Incorrect, because we saw in the very first quite a night. Of course there are outliers. We had Jared Van derrera. I Jose Young's the reigning between the lynx champion, specifically fine, you can say all that you want, but I, Jose Young's going to be the link champion

said, I want Mike Perry versus Robbie Lawler, and I was called a fool by one Jordan Michoud. And everyone lambasted. Jordan was a fight. And that's the fight they booked. So there are, of course, a novelist. Like one day, Alex Kiley will show up with a proper haircut and he'll

button his shirt when he comes on to the onto a post-fight show. Of course, there are things that will happen. But nine times, I don't know, that guy that does the, the guy that does the morning report, who's, who's hometown team will you work with? Mike, Mike, will you spray these guys of water? Are you working? No, don't. It's the guy whose hometown teams

can't keep fourth quarter leads. Jordan Michoud. Anyway. If you want to fight, it won't happen. If you think a bonus will happen, nine times out of ten, it won't happen. It's just how the UFC operates. If you want Dana Way to do something, tell them it's a terrible idea. Those are the secrets.

Reverse psychology. You got a reverse psychology, Dana. I'm just surprised they gave it to his hobby only because, you know, we all know Dana's relationship of Eric Hawani. You know, Aaron Hwani's just claiming he won $50,000. He won $50,000. It's a little too familiar, just like out of a brief. might have been like, oh, something about this guy's rubbing me the wrong way.

Can we cut him? Can we cut him? Is that why Cassidated and get a bonus? Because he had an aerial tattoo on his chest? Yeah. I'm like, hey, it's a hobby. I'm back. A win after a long layoff. He got 30% of his opponent's purse. And he got himself a bonus. So well done for aiming. That was a sweet knockout. That was a good knock. That was violent. That was like. It was so violent.

Oh, sorry. Go on. And it was the last, and the cherry on top of the Sunday was the last fight of his contract. So there you go. Oh. Even better. Good on him. Make that money, son.

Perfect. Is he a normal? He's normally a Bantam weight, right? This fight was at 140 because of the catch weight, right? Because, yeah, Traco missed by four and a half pounds. Okay. That was a fight that really, oh. I don't want to be negative, but I kind of got annoyed that the UFC, they're not,

Visbeing and they never really talked about Jared Gordon missing weight so significantly over his victory over on Chavez and I thought the weight played an advantage. So I just, I wish the announcers would kind of hit that point a little more. But yeah, whatever. Otherwise, you know, good night. I don't think they mention it much in the, in the, uh, Vietta fight either. It's really, it's really, I don't remember them mentioning weight cut issues a lot during the night. I don't think, uh, Rafael Alves got mentioned at all, unfortunately. Who? Probably better, probably better that way. John Dagnan, what is next for Curtis Blades? Last time he lost the UFC game lower-ranked fighters like Justin Willis,

should he fight Chris Dawkins? Maybe the Sierra Ghan, Girozino Rosenstrike loser. Don't see the Volkov rematch happening. So what do we do with Curtis Blades, Jose, outside of taking a long break after getting knocked out like that? Yeah, I don't hate the loser Girozino gone. Like I said, he's already beaten overring their teammates now. so that fight's not going to happen. I'm trying to think off the top of my head.

Who else is a heavyweight? Like in the top seven range. Because he already beat Shemiel. Who does Augusto Sakai fighting next? Is he fighting Shemiel? I think so. Maybe if Augusto wins, maybe Walt Harris, Spivak, he just got to win.

I don't know, one of those guys. But the loser of Gires, Girozino, gone. I'm fine with mostly because I just. like that fight as a fight. And they would both be top six, seven, six guys. So, yeah, I'm fine with the loser of that. What do you think, Casey? For Blades, honestly, it kind of depends on something I don't really know.

Do you think the UFC actually, like the brass, do you think they actually like Curtis Blades? Basically, are they going to try to rebuild him to be a top-tier elite middleweight? Are they going to give them, like, back-of-line? I'm sorry, heavy-weight. what I say? They're going to throw him the back of the line. He's going to have to fight like, you know, like six, seven more times to even get to a title challenger. I kind of tend to go they're going to put him in the back of the line.

So I actually think Curtis Blades will fight someone, you know. Hey, Ben Rothwell's not ranked. Yeah, it's only going to rock. He's fighting. Oh, no, he's fighting Lima. Lema. Lephal's fighting. Lima.

Yeah, Philippe Lima. Leans. Lens. Lins, sorry. Felipe Lins. Justin Taffa. I thought the U.S. What about Razor Blades?

Razor Blades and Andre Arlowski. Is that just cruel? I don't mind it. No, I don't care. It doesn't bother me. So I was thinking, actually, I was thinking Andre versus Olinic, have they fought? No. Amazingly, they have never.

Yeah. So that might be like the oldest combined age ever for UFC heavyweight fight in a long time. So I kind of like that. but I really think I don't I think Razor Blaz is going to have to Yeah they're going to push him way back Unfortunately it's not going to be like one fight

And he's back in contention I just I will say I thought the USC did a good job With some of their Blades video packages Or maybe it was ESPN I'm not sure who which ever side was handling that I thought they did a really good job I like that they that they highlighted again

Sort of his You know that stuff about like the difficulties With the speech impediment and How we kind of dealt with that as he was coming up And sort of some of the some of the choices he had to make dealing with that and then getting into martial arts. I thought that was really cool. I think it was a little bit different from some of the more kind of conventional

packages we see. So kudos for that. I don't know how that reflects upon what the UFC thinks of them. I don't think they're they're, they just like him in any way. He might not be one of their favorites. He's someone I think that they're like eager to like really push at the top. Maybe not.

Maybe not. But no, I think they like him. I don't think there's any anything against blades, even considering whatever, his wrestling heavy style and his kind of how stern he is with sticking to it, I don't think they have any issue with that. Man, did anyone lose more tonight than Curtis Blades, though? I mean, I know everyone, I know, I know there were like, no, 12 losers tonight, losers. But I really feel like Curtis Blades lost the most.

Yeah, probably. I mean, or Caitlin Viera. Or, or Caitlin Vier. But even, yeah, that was tough. I think, I think Blaze lost more. I mean, Kennevere wasn't, like, laid out. I mean, I mean, I just, yeah, I think. I think Curtis Pais is a good dude and nice guy.

But in terms of prize fighting, I don't, I just, that's another issue. Yeah, I mean, he's got options. Marching Taibo is fighting Blagoi Ivanov. I believe at UFC 260, so I mean, maybe the winner or loser of that fight. I mean, plus there's like a slew of up-and-coming heavyweights as we're showing on the broadcast tonight. We got, I mean, Tom Aspinall, got guys like Alexander Romanoff. We got like some really, we got some. that's the guy I'm thinking of.

Romanoff, Romanoff and Blades. If they want to push Ramanoff and give him a big jump, I like that. I was trying to think of that. I was like, who was that? I know there's one like really good wrestler. I don't know. That's a big test.

I like it. All right. We answer this question. What else we got? All right. It should be, oh, sorry. Is that the last time?

Yes. Is that the last time we saw Alexiolinick? No. No. I think he's got one more. I think he's got, I think, I think he likes him.

I think he's got a lot more. Well, I mean, I think he'll fight more, but how many more time do you think the UFC will have him around? I mean, it depends if he wins. I mean,

maybe one more lot. They'll keep them. One more fight, at least. Even then, I think it would, yeah, I think they'll keep him around.

I like me. I hope so. He's got that. The name is value. I mean, look, what is it for Chris Doc. It's not.

now he's going to be a top 10, top 11 guy because he got a win like that. So he's got value. They're going to keep putting him up against prospects. I would love to see him face Rothwell and Felipe, Felipe, whatever his name is, because Roblo wants to fight Olinn. Rothwell wanted to fight Olinic after the Jacksonville fights. And I loves that fight for whatever reason they didn't make it.

But again, because no one makes the fights that you want. But yeah, Ben Rothwell, Philippe winner versus Olinic, love that fight. Because if Felipe wins, it's another prospect versus Illenic. And if Rothwell wins, that's just another go-go choke versus Ezekiel choke thing that we could be talking about. Scott McRade, has the UFC tapped into the proverbial gold mine with UAE Warriors women's flyweight? O'Neill tonight, Manon Fioro, had a spectacular debut last month in Abu Dhabi. I mean, the UFC's doing a good job building this division right now.

The problem is, and I want to get your take on this, AK, because we do do matchmaking shows. when you have someone like Manon come in and get a win over Victoria Leedonardo and you have Casey O'Neill getting a win over Shauna Dobson, it's kind of tough for the what's next, you know, because you don't want to push either of those ladies too fast, and there's not a ton of fighters in this division. So, I mean, in terms of like the future, definitely two very promising prospects, but where do you go from here with them? because you can't just, it's just hard.

You can't, it's hard to throw like either of these women in with like a Courtney Casey. Even though they're like Courtney Casey's kind of on the snide right now, it's kind of hard to justify a five and oh fighter getting in there and fighting a veteran like Courtney Casey. So what have you made of sort of this build of the women's flyweight division with some of these prospects that they've added on here? I mean, I think it's great. I definitely would hesitate to use the phrase gold mine. Again, that's one win for O'Neill and one win for Fiorne. So it's, I don't know. They look great.

They look great as average. Like Scott thing here, they aim from the UAE with quite a bit of hype. And they deliver, but let's wait to see how they do. Again, I want to see their second fight. For me,

I really think you need, I need three, like at least three UFC fights usually, unless there's a large body of work outside of the UFC, like a Yuri Prohachka. You kind of only needed that one fight to say this guy is like a top five,

light heavyweight. He's done so much good work outside of it. But O'Neill and O'Neill, this was her sixth pro fight. I think same with Firo. I think it was her six pro fight. So that's a very small sample guys. And I think both of them, I think O'Neill has only been fighting for two, three years.

And I think Fioro is the same way. Or might have been fighting for longer, but there was like a break in there. I think what these two ladies, specifically these two women that were talking about in Furo and O'Neill is like, yeah, like their professional record is like pretty new. But they have a lot of amateur fights between the two of them. Like that was Fero's whole thing. Like she fought a lot on the IMMA and A. F is if the acronym escapes me at the moment. Yeah, yeah.

No, that's right. That was her whole thing. Like, she couldn't really get a ton of pro. She didn't want to just jump into like the, was she French, right? Like, there was not a lot of French fights for her to take. So she went this route to get the amateur fights under her belt. And Kate O'Neill did say, doesn't she have like what? Probably like six or seven.

I looked at her record right before this car start. Yeah, it's like six or seven amateur fights. And that's when she started 0 and 2 and then rattled off like six or seven wins and then turned pro. So I think both of these women, specifically these two women, have a lot more experience than their professional record shows. Sure. But as far as matchmaking, a future matchmaking, I don't think it's that difficult. I definitely do not, would not push them to quickly. This is why they have contender series people to bring in.

They have Invicta as a pipeline. They have the talent there to draw from that they can call up as opponents for them. So, yeah, hopefully, kind of Mike, as you suggested, don't put them up too quickly at top 15, top 20. They don't need to be up there yet. If they blow out their next opponent, then we start talking about that. But let's see how they do. But yeah, definitely some promising signings from UAE Warriors. So that's always the promotion to keep an eye on, by the way, for future UFC talent.

Sure. Is UAE Warriors? Is that a fight pass from? Does that Aaron Fight Pass over here? Yeah. Yeah. So that was what UAE Warriors is what Brave should have been. Brave's whole gimmick was they were going to compete with the UFC and they were going to be like

UFC Bellator one level. level. And UAE Warriors is like, we're not going to be that. We're going to be the feeder system for this region into the UFC, which is why a lot of fighters that were on Brave are now in UAE Warriors. And the last Dana White looking for a fight was at UAE Warriors. That's when he had that video with Habib, because Abed was also there. That's like a joint show, right? It was like UAE Warriors and someone else. It was like a co-promotional show. I can't read the other promotion. Was it Habib's promotion? Oh, it might have been. Eagle fighting. Yeah, might have been. EFC and UAE. Yeah. But shout out to Habib because do you see his media scrum? Because he does a media scrum after like every event because he's basically the Dana White of that promotion. And his last one, it might have been one of the more recent ones, he started with. He goes, before I ask your questions, I want to know how all of the media's experience was here.

Because when I first signed up, he's like when I first took over, I did not like how the media was treated. Like it's basically a UFC like the mic stand with the mics everywhere. It's like a scrum at a fight night card. That's like before the pandemic where there were no press conferences. Like it was just a scrum, scrum, scrum, scrum. So, yeah, it looks like UAE Warriors is taking a playbook out of the UFC's media relations book. So yeah, good on him. Absolutely.

Habib's killing the game. Overall, yeah, both those women, yeah, definitely slow roll, slow roll. No need, no need. There's so many freaking fight nights. There's plenty of, I think, hard space that they don't need to fight anyone near the top 15 yet. So, but both are. And I think, I think Casey, I think Casey is like a decade younger than Mann in Fioro, too, right? Man in like early 30s.

Yeah, Casey's only 23. And I'm not sure I owed Faro is. One of them should fight, uh, who's that Russian Russian? She's a female fighter, the one that slashed the face open against Miranda Maverick on Fight Island. Oh, uh, Jujua? Yeah, that's a fight. I think she's probably ranked pretty low. And then like JJ Aldridge or like pulling on a Botelo, something like that, maybe.

That's the range. I was thinking there. Yeah. But yeah. Dude, man, but UFC flyweight, lady flyweights, man. It's a good division. Yeah, I think, are we over that whole into weak division? It's shallow.

I mean, I think we're not. How close are we just saying, yeah. The women's flyway is like the men's head. heavyweight where all like today we saw the future of the division and then but like for a long time the it was shallow and I still think it's pretty top heavy but the future is bright I kind of have a feeling it's a bit like the men's flyweight division when demetrius is running things because demetrius was just so ahead of the curve as far as other flight weights it made the other flight weights look insignificant and I think Valentina is just so good right now it's just so far ahead

of the curve in terms of the lady flyways. I feel the general fan consensus is that, well, O'Neill might be good, whatever. She's still going to get whooped up by Valentina, so who cares? And I just hope that narrative kind of dissipates. Yeah. But I think if you want to throw on the belt for fly weights, too, I mean, you really have something going there. And Mike Hap and I talked about this on the matchmaking show a lot is some women came down

from 135, someone up from 115. So it's really, and with the talent that was already developing there, at 125 is solid. I think you have like, like, who is it? Is it Talia Santos, Macy Barber, Grasso, Maverick, Mazzo, and then O'Neill and Faro that we just talked about, like, talked about. Like, yeah, flyweight, none of them are ranked, but they're all going to be like top seven in like a year or two.

And I think they're exciting fighters, too. It's not, there's excitement, too. It's not just good players. Yeah. And it's interesting because, like, remember, like, I bet like 12 maybe 18 months ago people were probably saying like oh Antonina Shipschenko Arana Lipski like those are the names that you need to look at and then all these other names just came out of nowhere yeah cool cool all right

look at Lauren Murphy right now good God almighty what a what a transformation she's made Murphy versus Jojo make it happen Casey do you see this question from from Cossane Keith about the heavyweights grab that one for later see it right near the bottom yeah just kind of just came up. Maybe. But if you have a cue to, just grab it after me. Why is he so small?

Matthew Mullen. First of all, shut us, Duval. Matthew Mullen, Duval. Okay. Duval. He's a Duval guy. He's a Duval guy. Sorry.

Is it the UFC slash Dana's worst nightmare if Derek Lewis gets a title shot and wins? I don't think so at all. I don't think so at all. I mean, everybody likes Derek Lewis. Everybody. Every single person, maybe except for Alice or over him. Everybody else likes Dereklis. I don't even think Alice or over him hates him.

I just don't think he was trying to pick a fight against someone that he thought he could be. Yeah, unless Derek Lerner is punching you, no one hates him. He's so likable. He is. And again, he's more professional than people think. I know people think like, oh, he's a wild card. He's actually very smart and kind of calculated with how he portrays himself. So if he had to go on like, I was going to say, like, Kelly Rippa, who's Kelly Rippa's co-host these days?

You guys watch a lot of morning daytime television. Ryan Seacrest, right? Ryan's sure. If you had to go on like Ryan and Kelly or something, he could touch on me. He could class it up a little bit while still bringing his own, you know, Black Beast brand of humor.

So, no, he'd be a great champion. He'd be such a fun champion. He's also doesn't seem like an expensive fighter. Like, he just wants to fight. Like he'll fight anyone for money. Like, remember he told Derek Daniel Cormey's like, I'll punch anyone for money. So, yeah.

That's a thing. It's difficult to negotiate with Derek Lewis. I think he'll be fine. Plus, like, he was obviously, when the floods hit Houston, he was amazing in that. And then now that Texas is kind of going through another thing, I feel like every few years a natural disaster hits Texas. Like, Derek Lewis is usually right there on the front lines

with his giant truck helper people. But now he's in his little Lamborghini, he'll pick up and he'll picks up all the busted water pipes and, you know, shovel snow and his Lamborghini. No, he's going to, here's someone tweeted this. He goes, what is Derek Lewis? going to do. He's going to get on a someone needs to build a giant hamster wheel for Derek Lewis to drive really fast and just create energy for the state of Texas. That is funny. We don't

need wind turbines. We need Derek Lewis and a hamster wheel. That's how that's how he drives in his Lamborghini. Yeah, he's a Lamborghini. I thought it was him doing cardio and they're in the hamster wheel. Hey, why not? Wait, Derek Luz just punches something. Did you guys see that the, the, the, the, the Derek Lewis, Lamborghini little vignette. Did you watch it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. They showed a shot of the Lamborghini doing like a U-turn.

Why? It was like this little slow U-turn, like, I was like that turn radius is not that impressive. I'm sorry. I don't know. I was just like, what do they? I was just, as a production guy, I was just, I was just looking going like, all right. it's like all right maybe he's not registered

and he can't drive it on the street here's Derek Lewis parallel parking up the hill dude I would pay a lot of money I would love to see that a Lamborghini I would too 1999

let's see Yana Kunitskaya showed that you fight until the bell rings now she's won four of her last five fights Holly Home versus Julianna Pena will happen May 8th how does Yana Kunitskaya Casey Liden fit into the women's Bannamweight division going forward.

I feel like the UFC has just completely forgotten about the Bantamake Division. They just kind of give them fights because they have to. I don't, because like, well, Holly, Holly and Pena was just booked. I don't like that booking, but it happened. Is Asam Nad? Is she on her way back soon? She already beat, she already beat, Yanna. She did? She beat her on that.

You were at the fight. It was in Washington, D.C. That was a lifetime ago. That's a lifetime ago now. So many fights. That's what Al's over his face got with him out. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what he remembers.

I mean, there go. That's how long ago. Remember it was like, it was a pretty close fight. It was also after Aspen and Ladd disputed her loss to GDR. And I was like, she kept shooting down all the question. Whenever someone would ask her about it, she's like, I already talked about it. And then betweens round two and three, your coach gave her a pep talk. and she just screamed really loud and then ran out and punched her

and that stopped the fight. It was a very bizarre scene. Well, the only fight that kind of makes sense, if the UFC doesn't have something booked for, doesn't have an idea of who they're going to book newness next for at 135, I guess Yanna GDR? I don't know. Yeah, I don't hit it.

It just, there doesn't seem to be anything that kind of jumps off the table and just go, yeah, we got to see this fight. Well, who, uh, Marion, Renault, and Keyeson just got to. canceled again, right? It's March 20th now. You got moved? Got moved again. G.S.

got an injury, yeah. They should have just made, whatever, it doesn't matter. Erenna's four, and Yonah's probably six now, so that's a good option. It really makes sense. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I can't believe they didn't book Holly versus GDR, the rematch. shocked. I know. It made too much sense. It made too much sense. Again, because why.

I made too much sense. Because why they don't make fights that makes sense or people want. It's what happens. Stop asking for fights. It's not going to happen. I wrote this whole, I wrote this whole robbery review of their first fight. And I was like, I even wrote the beginning of that, like, almost like suggesting, like, I'm pretty sure that this rematch is going to be booked soon.

So what perfect timing for this robbery review to be written. And I think that was a last straw. I think someone in the UFC saw that and was like, they were even thinking about booking that rematch. We're like, no. No, we're definitely not doing it now. No. It's never going to happen. If anything, like, Yanna's going to fight like Julia Vila, which would be a fun fight.

So it would just, again, like, why? Why? Yeah. Yeah, it is tough. It is tough because, you know, we don't know what's going on with Nunez. I keep saying, she might retire this year for all we know. She might decide somehow to defend the featherweight title again. I don't know how.

I don't know who would be next. But we just until, you know, a lot, this is the problem when you have such, not just a two division champion, but one who is so dominant, man, again, it really is, like you said, the rest of the divisions is kind of fighting for script and much depends on what she decides to do. I don't know, maybe a vacant title. If there's a vacant title, that could work out really well for Jana. She could be one half of that. Maybe. She's on that list. Well, that's why I think she fit.

I mean, Joseph Bose's the assword she fit in. I think she's on that list. I think if that, I think she was made. She's already, she did not, she didn't challenge for the Featherweight title. Did it? No. Yana? Yeah, she got cooked up by Cyborg when Cyborg. Yeah, they replaced Frankie Max and Max, Frankie got deaded by Brian Ortega on that card.

Right. So it's not, thanks for reminding me of that trauma, that trauma. But yeah, so it's not the, I mean, it's not crazy. She is a, she is a previous UFC title challenger. If you want to get technical. I think if, if Amanda beats Megan, I think that's her last fight at Featherweight. And then she takes one more. Bannamway and that's a wrap.

Because if she beats Megan Anderson, someone, I can't remember if you're listening to this and you, so this is not my fact. Someone told me this. If you're listening to this remind me because I forgot your name. If Amanda beats Megan Anderson, she's beaten every single featherweight champion from every major promotion pretty much. Like the strike force, Invicta, Bellator, the UFC. And then the only one she hasn't fought is Pam because she's the current Invicta champ.

So they just, if she wants top over, but I don't think that's enough. So, yeah, it's every featherweight champion, like right now, Amanda Neathe's like in Pam Sorensen. That's what I hear. So I think she even, uh, she even beat Julia Bud back in the day, right? She'd be more like, that was like one of our pre-tops. Yeah, she'd be Bud way back. More like Sean Shelby is protecting Amanda Nunes. Come on, kids. So I think, uh, if Giuliana wins, then I think that's the fight to make, obviously, because Julianne is going to talk all that greasiness. Uh, she's already got. man his attention so but that's a big if because holly for whatever reason doesn't make any sense but whatever hey you hey c oh sorry i got to read out this question oh so go ahead make your point first i'm going to move on hey ufc sean shelby whoever just finally sign re-sign sarah coffin at bantamweight she's the top band she's the she's the highest ranked band unranked unranked um

unsigned bantam weight in the world that's not in bellator whether it's that bantamway division but you know or ufc she's still in her prime signer. She's great in interviews. You know she'll pass her. You saw the test. Come on. Do it. Bring Sarah Kaufman back. I still don't understand that at all. Unbelievable.

So I wanted to read out this question from Kossain Keith, because I think it's a sick question. Is this the best heavyweight has been since the Pride Days? Top five is ridiculous plus Steepai Jones and a mix of vets and young prospects under them. So that's a question from Kosein Keith. I know he's been, I don't know. Hopefully he's still watching. is it the best has been since the pride base? It's an interesting question.

Obviously, I imagine this counts all promotions. I mean, we're not just telling what UFC. You know what? I feel like we just had this conversation in like 2015. So is it even better? I mean, is it even better now? I mean, anytime you add John Jones, it's not making it worse. Yeah, yeah.

So, you know, if anything, this is the brightest, the future has looked. I'll say that. There's a lot of good fights. If I look at like the top 20, we're at that stage where you match up like any of these guys in the top 20, and I consider it to be a compelling fight. Like I'm just looking at this list right now and I'm like, man. That original Strike Force Grand Prix freaking ruled.

Like the original lineup. That was so good. But like I think like 2015 you had Kane for Doom, JDS, Steepa, Hunt. Remember Arlowski rattled off like four wins in a row. Ben Rothball was go-choking everyone. Overeem was like 10th ranked. Like that was a fun era too like but they were all peaking at that point I feel like that was when the heavyweight division was like kind of held up by

Kane and two other people that's interesting so it's in a good place right now that's for damn sure it's definitely the future has not been this bright in a long time hmm all right it's great uh did you questions guys questions someone oh by the way someone in the comments uh was trying to correct us uh correct you i guess Jose on the beaten all the champions. They said, oh, she never beat Gina. Gina was not the Strike Force featherweight champion. She never won.

She fought Cyborg for the inaugural title. She did not hold the strike force. I'm also, I'm pretty sure what I'm pretty sure with the style is she's being all the current champions. So I'm not saying like past champions, unless she has. I'm assuming there hasn't been

that many women's featherweight champions in MMA history. Yeah, it's a short list. All right. Yeah. Did she just give an interview? Did I see that? That was weird.

Yeah, I stuck to Ben Shapiro. Oh, great. I'm sure it was very fair and not one-sided. Thrilling. I believe our own Damon Martin watched it, and I think there will be a story. God bless you, Damon. God bless you. He's a hero.

Damon's a hero. Oh, that's kind of. legit that chaos is like a mortal combat fatality okay oh it was i have to say go jose i don't know nothing about the mortal combat lore i have no emotional connections to the games to the movies if there was a tv show there are training cards or acts figures my fandom with like nerd culture kind of ends in video games not because i disliked them we just didn't have them growing up i know i I know the names they say in the song, and that's about it, which gets me to the point. It is techno syndrome by the immortals.

It is not called Mortal Kombat theme. Give the immortals the respect they earned with the best theme song in the history of video games, okay? They didn't make that epic song just to be called the Mortal Kombat theme. No, it's techno syndrome. Shout out to the Immortals. How's the song go? Boom. I can't make those, I can't make robot noises, Casey.

I'm not the guy from Police Academy, so I'm not going to try. Oh, look, good. A.K. Kanda. All right. It goes, it goes, da-da-da-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-tah. And you guys have to say the names of the guys. I don't know.

Kano. Some of you. Mike. Mike. Mike. Casey. And Luke. So on and so forth.

There's a few things. They say, they say test your mic a bunch of times in there. And then there's like, there's like four lines of just excellent, like over and over and over. It's amazing. It's amazing. Someone, someone cut the new movie trailer. They just put that, they cut in the, uh, uh, the techno syndrome into the, into the trailer to replace the song that's in the new trailer. Is it they not using the song?

No, I think, I think it's a little bit. bit at the end. I think there's a slowed down snippet of it at the end. I think they're trying to distance themselves like saying like we don't want to rely on everything from the past, but someone just, someone already has already done overdue and put it in there. Yeah. Someone's already dumb. That's like when they did Ghost and Shell, that is the Ghost and Shell theme song. Like it's right there on a silver platter. Just use it.

That's all for you, A.J. I agree. I agree. Oh, yes. Thank you. I apologize for your ears, people, but that is how the song goes. You know, I might have made it. I might have made a mistake because as soon as I asked you to sing that, like on my screen, all these, like, thumbs down emojis just, like, popping up everywhere. I saw our viewer. I saw our viewership dropped like 300 people just left. It's gone.

I think if we're going to have to, if we're going to do a Mortal Kombat theme show where we need our former colleague, Sean Al Shadi on, Sean Al Shadi will know. I assume Sean knows his way around the Mortal Kombat game. I do. You could ask me. But John Danion, thank you for those, those are the lyrics to the Mortal Kombat song. So, yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Great thing.

It's crazy we never got to see Blades on top of Lewis even once. What are the odds of that? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I picked Lewis, but I didn't, I thought at some point he would have to, you know, do the Lewis get up, you know. What was he like in the first round, Derek, like, like Lewis kind of glanced that upper cut off blades's jaw like real early? and I obviously that put the fear of God into Curtis Blades. But then like Casey said,

he was kind of getting the better of keeping his range. And then as soon as he shot it again, he just got, he just got sent, he got a one-way ticket to the shadow realm. So it's like, that's like, when you fight Derek Lewis,

that you cannot make him, like, Derek Lewis is beatable. He's clearly beatable. Oh, yeah. You just can't make a mistake. You just can't make a mistake against Derek Lewis.

And I, I mean, I didn't get your opinion on it, guys, but like, if, if, if, if,

if, just Blades would have stayed on the outside and kind of made it a boring jab fight, maybe kind of fake the take down just to keep Lewis thinking about it. Huh? K11Blades? Yeah, yeah. Could he have jabs his way to a victory, like, do you think? 100%.

I really think Blades could have jaded. Because like, just like what, what is his name? Dan Tom, our good friend Dan Tom on Twitter said every time Derek, because like Dan trains too. So like he kind of like, he's like one of the. the best guys I've ever seen a breaking down fights. He said every time Derek Lewis throws a punch, his knees hurt watching it. Because he throws from the canvas.

And he's like, oh, his knees are hanging out by a thread. And all of a sudden he connects. So it's like, of course, like Derek Lewis could, if you could keep him at distance, maybe Derek Lewis's legs will just cave out from underneath them. I've thrown so many, over five rounds.

But yeah, he has, like for all the time, we talk about France and Ghana who's sending people to their doom, like Derek Lewis is a horrifying individual as well. Yeah. Crazy. 12 knockouts. 12 UFC knockouts.

UFC Hall of Famer. Derek Lewis. Absolutely. Easily. 100%. That's wild. That's just like, you know, when guys, when, you know, men or women make their UFC debuts or whatever, like, you know, we saw Casey O'Nale make her UFC debut tonight.

You know, who knows what the future is for. But when you remember Derek Lewis's first fight in the UFC, were you thinking this? Or he's just like, okay, he's a big heavyweight, he's a big bruiser. Or are you thinking like, dude, he's, he's, he's, Derek Lewis is legitimately one of the best heavyweights of all time, you know, in the top 15 heavyweights of all time. I don't know. But I think it's just wild. I don't know.

I just, it kind of just blows on mind. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. Has over, has almost two million Instagram followers as well. As he should. He should probably have like 20 million Instagram followers.

He is the best. Best follow on. Some of those memes are a little too hot. I think 1.5 to 2 is a good range because then you start getting into the fake box range and then every now and then Instagram will just purge your followers. That's another story.

Yeah, I'm like 2 million away from that number. I suck at Instagram. I suck at Instagram too. People that spend people that spend their lives on Instagram freak me out, man. They're so bizarre to me. People who get, people who use Instagram has their sole source of news. That's what scares me.

Oh, they freak me out, man. You know what I'm talking about? Like, that's all that their news are strictly, like, yeah. Or people that need to like, like, I love Adam Schaeffner, I love you. I love Adam Schaeffner, the reporter. But, like, why do I need Adam Schaeffner's two cents on, like, Whitey Ford passing away? You know what I'm talking about, Mike? Why?

Like if Ray Bork got broke his, like if Ray Bork blew his ACL, I don't need to hear Adam Schaeffner's take on. Like that's my two cents on Instagram. ESPN has gone weird with their Instagrams. Where's Jha? Where's Jha? That's all I have to say about that, Jose. No, I need celebrity, I need unrelated journalists and celebrities to help me make sense of these things. Where is Jha?

Lewis Francis, too. it's kind of happen at some point eventually but I would like to someone said they want to see for the title and I don't hate it if they want if one of them gets the belt and then eventually it's for a title like I wouldn't hate it if Francis yeah Francis beats Steve A

which I predict you will I mean yeah you know hey this could be a reverse Woodley versus Wonderboy where the first fight was awesome and the second fight just sucked that's a good point

could be I mean because everyone's like every fight It's different. Every fight is different. Everyone, I don't know why people think. Or it could just, it could just end up being Phil Davis, Ryan Bader, part two. Oh. Which we could possibly get for the finals of the Bellatoric tournament. MMA is a silly sport.

Give it to me. I love chaos. I would be surprised if it was a boring fight again. I do think a lot of the stuff that Francis said is sort of about like his whatever, whatever he had lost or whatever, you know, made him lose focus during that time. I believe it. I know it's excuses. I know his excuses. Everyone's going to say after performance,

oh, this, that wasn't me, that wasn't me. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. I think a second fight would be, would be more exciting. But both guys are, I mean, would have to be very respectful with each other's power, right? I think Francis would throw a lot of kicks in a rematch to Derek Lewis

because I was talking to his coach, who's his coach right now at the time? I don't know who's coach was. Francis? When he fought Jarzino? Yeah. Oh, he's a guy, wait, who, oh, he's not,

who's it? Is he at syndicate or extreme? No, he was only syndicate for a little bit. He was that syndicate for the really bad fight. I don't know. I can't remember, actually. I don't know. Who's the extreme coach?

The big guy. Eric Nick. I think it might have been him. I'm not 100%. Yeah. He was showing his video of like him warming Francis up in the back. He goes, this is what we were drilling before the fight. And it was like crazy fast combinations.

And it was just a question mark kick. I'm just like, imagine if you landed that. And then what we got was him just. doing this for 30 seconds until he knocked him out. So it's like, and he's like, what am I, what am I going to tell him? It works. Yeah. If he fights Derek Lewis, if he's like, all right, like, we drilled it, but like,

F it, just if you're going to kill a human being, just go do it. So I think if he fights Derek Lewis, it's going to be pretty kick-heavy. I also think, I also think Lewis and Nagano are much, everything is different, but much like Justin Gage, when Justin Gagee kind of got those losses in the UFC, he's the same guy. He's just a better version. He actually learned from those losses. and I think Nangano learned from his loss from SEPA.

He learned from his inactiveness when he fought Derek Lewis. And I think Lewis has actually learned more too of his surgery and just take, I think just taking his health and his actual conditioning more seriously. So I do think these, I do actually think they're better fighters if they face each other again within the next couple of years. So, yeah. Fouriers on that list. And four years, you thought they could have been done.

But nope, they're back. Gilbert Burns. Yeah, Gilbert Burns. Yeah, guys that come. I put a lot of stock in the guy's careers after epic losses.

Like, it's cool to be 20 and O, but like you get crushed in Madison Square Garden like Eddie and then you just get right back in there and get a fight of the year against Justin Gagie. Like, how can you not hate, how can you hate on that?

And not even necessarily losses, like questionable performances. Look at Izzy, look at Izzy. And then the cost of fight, cause the fight was awesome. I mean, a totally different kind of opponent. But I mean,

which also, So let's not for, because I keep seeing, like, Eddie Alvers, you know, people, he beat Justin Gagchi after the first Porre fight fight. Like, people think he just fought to a draw and lost. Like, there was that epic Justin Gagchi fight sandwiched between those. That was a crazy ass fight, too. Casey, I got a guy, Jack O'Hara asked, I like this question. Oh, they, oh, you read, look at this. The truck is, guys, this is why Casey makes, this way the truck, he's, this is why he's in the truck and makes the big bucks. I'm sorry, I want, yeah, Jack O'Hara. Who gets higher rank come Tuesday? I love this because we were talking about this on the Q&A. And Aspinall or Docus? I don't know. You guys can go first.

It's got to docus. I think it's easy. Yeah. It's easy, Dawkes. Okay. I think Doccas would be ranked higher, but I'm actually higher in Aspenol. I think I think Aspinall has potential is better. But what are our rankings?

Both those gentlemen are good. They're both good fighters. Well, they, now, here's what same. Along those lines, thank you for the question, Jack. Will they both be ranked? Well, look, I'll bring, I'll bring up on official rankings right now. Doc is. Doc is absolutely.

Doc has to be. Because he just be taught in the 10 guy. Here's where they'll knock off, though. And this is probably, I hope they bump this guy up. And Tabura, Tabora went 4 and 0 in 2020, and he's 15th. That doesn't seem fair. Poor DeBora. I feel like he would knock him off.

Yeah, shouldn't he be higher. He shouldn't get knocked off the list. That's weird. I feel like Pavlovich will get knocked off. None of the people, Tibera fought, were ranks, though. This is true. Forno, correct, four on ranks fighters, yeah. Correct.

One of them was great hardy. So he's going to lose this spot. No, he's going to beat Blago even out and get that spot right back. But, yeah, it looks like Pavlovich and DeBura might lose their spots to Aspinall and Dachis. I think, I think Tibera will stay because, again, rankings are a lot of rankings are used for marketing purposes. So I feel like they would, you know, like when a fighter has a fighter has a

coming up all of a sudden he's out of no like Hamza up which is all of a sudden 15 because he got a fight scheduled so it's going to be like that So Berger's going to keep his spot just because he has a fight bump. Pallovich doesn't so he'll probably use the spot But even if I'm going to even out

probably not I think Docus will be I think Docs will be 15 Alexia Olinic will probably fall out Oh just lose the spot entirely Yeah I don't think it's any problem to that because I don't think Olinic I'm just looking at the guys behind Olinic

he lost some I don't think he's, yeah. Yeah, I think that would make sense. That'd be fair. Sorry, Alexi. Ouch, harsh, harsh. Actually, I actually don't like this. No, no, no.

I don't either. No, I don't either. We just talk about how big the head. Sometimes I really like prospect fights, but not when the division is shallow as this. And they're both. Liam, I'm not against it. I'm not against it.

I'm not against it. Unless there's just pure hatred, then, which obviously both of these men are so, nice. I don't think it's going to have it. Yeah, I'm not I have a selection. I'm not happy about it, but I have a pick for a docket for both these guys.

The docket's pick I'm not happy with, but I have to go with it. Does Romanov, is he booked for a fight at all? Who? Romanoff. Man, I want to know how good he is, too. I'm excited. I'm excited about these new fresh heavy ways. I got to say, I wasn't super high on God, I got the caucus in my head and I can't get it out.

Just let it go. I got dog just keep saying it. And eventually you'll go back the other way. Like you'll say it so much that you won't be able to. Dawkins actually did surprise me. I wasn't high on him when I first saw him. I thought, okay, you know, regional heavyweight, you know, but he looked great tonight. He does have sharp punching and fight smart.

He stayed in control. Yeah, good fighter. And maybe Mikey, you know more. Is he training more? I know he's a police officer, right? Is he still doing both full-time? I mean, is he still a cop full-time? I'm not sure.

No, he's full-time cop, man. Oh, I wonder whether it holds him back or is he going to dedicate? I don't know. I'm just wondering. If you watch his in-person media day, not his virtual one, it's, he's talking about times he's been shot at, like, on the job. Like, and this isn't like, oh, 10 years ago I was shot at. This is like, oh, the other day of it. Christ, man.

He's lost like a ton of weight, too. Like, he just looked good. He didn't look better. He looked better, right? He lost like 20 pounds. Like, he's lost like he's taking it very serious. Okay. Yeah, can he not make 205?

I brought this up before, Mike, and I think he said it's probably in my not. Can he not make 205? I don't think he needs to. Doesn't need to right now. That's for damn sure. No. He's doing a thing, man. Speed kills.

Speed kills. If he has good hands. and he can stop a takedown, yeah, man, stay, stay, stay, stay, stay like, uh, unless you run in, unless you run into Derek Lewis's fist. Well, well, then, then you go,

then you go to light heavyweight, yeah. You make me think, uh, case, you're making me think of, uh, Justin, Justin Lodette should have stayed at heavyweight, right? Shouldn't, shouldn't have gone down. Who knows, right? Maybe you should stay there.

That was weird. Uh, oh, yeah, we got, oh, I didn't even think about this. What's, does he have a fight book? Mr. Chivasas. I think he, I want to say he does. Here's the thing. He's fighting Don't tell me.

He's fighting Don'tel May's. If I don't like this fight, if you're going to do this, if you're going to do Tuivasa, and this is in a hypothetical order, two evas is not a fight coming up. Two evas had lost like, what, four in a row, something like that at one point, three in a row. And one of them, he got stopped by Spivak. So if you're going to do any unranked fighter versus Dawkins, it should probably be Spivak, only because they were on the same. card. We all said, and we all agreed, his resume in the UFC is so much more difficult than

Dawkins and Aspinall. So if you're going to do a Dawkins versus any unranked heavy way, I would like Spivak. Not Ty. Tie is a much more... I would like Ty just before the interviews and like the Tom Foolery that comes with a Tide Tuivasa fight week, but

not for the rankings. Like, I think that's like you're just, that's a disservice to Spivak and what he did in their fight. I agree. But talking about Talking about fighters, talk about fighters that have reinvented themselves. Like, Ty it, AKA, is a completely different human being. So I'm very much looking forward to Ty moving forward. Like, Ty's performing.

And she's training a lot in Dubai with that whole squad over there. Like the Maneers and Dan Hooker was there for a bit. So, yeah, that'll be, Ty's going to be a fun to watch. I'm glad that Doc, I'm glad that's a lot of Dawkins questions. Doc is getting a lot of love. He looked great tonight. He looked, again, I actually picked a lot. I thought Alinic, I thought Alinic, I was completely discounting,

Docas his own, you know, Brazilian jiu-jitsu background, strong grappler. Not that it came down to that, but I mean, I feel like if they had gone to there, that would have been still been a competitive fight. So, yeah, I mean, I was really impressed, and clearly he's got a lot of people's attention. So good for him. My thing of Alinic, I was, and I picked Olinic to win tonight, but I, but at my mind, I was like, at some point, Alinic will be old. And I don't know if that, I don't know if Alinic was just old tonight.

And that's just, that's it as far as that. No, a top tier being, Linnick being a top tier heavyweight. But yeah, Linick just, as much as much credit, I want to give the, Dachas. Dachis. Um, yeah, I felt like Linnick looked. He actually looked, he looked at his age. Think of the phrase dog kiss.

Dog kiss. Dog kiss. Okay. Dog kiss. All right, cool. I like it. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Jose. Ain't nothing but thing. pronunciation guide dog dog kiss just I want to put this up we talked about briefly before but this commenter

really wants us to talk about it so let's just put it out there can you please talk about what terrible Chris Tioni is he wanted Hawes 12 times to get his fingers out of the fence absolutely should have taken a point Chris Chris Tione

another awful night I mean my God terrible terrible night and it started it started the very first fight of the night with Sergei Sv And it was funny. Someone put out, someone put out a tweet, like with the bout order and who was roughing them. And then they put out like the betting odds of like the over unders of the fight.

And Chris Tione, because he allowed Sergey Spivak to just pounce on Jared Vandera for so long, it costs betters of the under like the winning bet because he didn't stop the fight when he should have. Fitch's just bananas. That's a horrible. He's a bad. Conspiracy. He's a bad referee. He's real bad. Yeah, Mark made a great. Chris, yeah. Take Chris Tagnone is the guy in the Herman Rodriguez

fight, right? He's the same ref? Herman Oh, yeah, I think so. That just trash. It's not like, yeah,

it's like the worst referee decisions we've ever seen. He's the same ref, right? Yeah, all right. I'm going to say yeah. I look it's up for me slander him. That dude can,

that dude can get a bag of granola and take a hike and not, not rep another fight. He was also the, I like that. Thank you. What was that? Greno.

Trevin Jones. What was that by Mike? Trevin Jones and Trevin Giles? No, Trevin Jones. And, um. Christ. Wasn't this guy's name.

He was really highly hyped up coming in. And it was kind of a nice moment for Jones because he got like a comeback win, but it was like totally screwed. I again, kind of like Mike Rodriguez and Herman thing where it's like it should never have come down to this comeback. Like he made it a really, he made it a really exciting fight. Like that way. Chris I mean he made it a really exciting fight.

but I remember. Timor Valia. Oh, Timor. Timor. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Trevin Jones.

And that fight was overturned now for other reasons, but yeah, it was, that was a total mess. That was, that was officiated. And I mean, that was two, I don't know if that's the same night as Ed Herman, Mike Rodriguez. But, yes, by the way, yes, Tione did do the Ed Herman, Mike Rodriguez fight. So I don't know if that was that same night. But there was a stretch of apex cards where Tione's name just kept popping up and not for good reasons. So, yes, we're happy to criticize Chris Tione on this show.

He also, he also, he also roughed the, he also roughed the Hannah Seifers Mallory Martin fight where Hannah Seifers had Mallory Martin like badly, badly hurt. Everyone expected the fight to be stopped. He didn't stop it. And then Mallory Martin came back and got the finish in the next round or in the third round. And Tione was like praised for that performance. It's amazing what like Chris Tione from a week to week basis looks like. It's wild. absolutely insane. He sucks. He sucks. I had a friend over here watching some of the early fights, and she was asking, like,

the first fight with Chris Sione, the Sergey fight, is like, why is this fight still going? And I was like, I was just like, I don't know. I don't know. Then the other fights would stop real quick. I was like, I don't, I don't know. That's how the sport is. I don't know. We just sometimes we let, sometimes we let them die, sometimes, you know, go, ah, no, it's, I'm done, just going to the next fight. It's weird. That was a bad one. Okay.

Anything else? I think we're good. Do better, Chris Tione. Do better, Chris Tione. Do better. And Herb Dean, do better, please. And just, I mean, this guy's, this is, this is just been a mess. Some of these stoppages recently.

Mark Smith is now the gold standard. Is this true? Or is this, someone pulling my chain? Blue Corner Clean Sweep tonight. No, I was talking about this. I can't be right. I would have no, I would have no way of verifying this right now if I'm being perfectly honestly. No.

No way to verify this. Let me see. No, Phil Haas was, he wasn't Blue Corner. Or was he? No, he wasn't. Huh. This might be fake news. Yeah, I think it's big news.

You. Yeah. I don't know. You don't. I feel like I wouldn't. We would have seen that. All right. All right.

I think it's time for the music. All right. Well, I want to, we're back next week. Do you have something else? I'm good. Fun card next week, by the way. UFC Vegas 20, headlined by Jarzini Rosenstrike versus Cyril Gahn.

Co-man event, Nikita Krilovak versus Magamette Ancolaev. That is a banger. We got Montana de la Rosa versus Myra Buenos Silva, Pedro, Munoz, Jimmy Rivera, Angela Hill versus Ashley Yoder, the rematch. And by the way, both of those ladies

found about that fight this morning and both said yes, gangsters, both of those ladies. Alex Sassar is Kevin Kroom. Got it, A.K.? I was going to say, go ahead and finish. I'll have a, I'll have a closing line for us, Mike.

Go ahead. Yes, Alex Hernandez versus Tiago Moises on this card. Randy Brown, Alex Olivaa, Alexis Davis, Sabina Mazzo, Alonzo Metafield versus William Knight, Pionee Barstello's versus Marcello Rojo, Rojo, Ronnie Lawrence, versus Vince Gacero, Dustin Jacoby back as well.

He takes on Maxim Grishens. That should be a fun card. A lot of finishes, I see coming up next week in some good fights. A.K., send us on out of here with the pooch waving us off. Oh, I don't want it to pooch wave. I need to see a dog kiss. I think we talk so much about dog kiss. Can we see a Chris Dog Kiss here?

Or Kyle Dog Kiss. Or Kyle Dog Kiss. Whatever your style of dog kiss is. There we go. Kyle Dog Kiss, Chris Dog Kiss, whichever it is. There we go. There you go. There's the music once again. Well, thank you for watching, everybody, and I hope you guys enjoy the card. It was fun. Lots of great stuff coming up this week on MMA fighting. What the heck is a good lineup. Even after what the heck, we got a big guest lined up. So stay tuned for that. Subscribe to the page you haven't done so already. For A.K. Jose, for E. Casey Dukakis. I am Mike Eck. Good night, everybody. Happy birthday, AK. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.