MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 22 Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: March 21, 2021

With UFC Vegas 22 in the books, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Jose Youngs, Alexander K. Lee and E. Casey Leydon react to the top storylines from Saturday night’s event at the APEX, including the middleweight headliner between Derek Brunson and Kevin Holland. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Well, hello there, everybody. Welcome back to the MMA fighting YouTube page. UFC. Vegas 22 is officially in the book. It was capped off by the fourth consecutive victory from Derek Brunson. Defeats Kevin Holland in the main event. It will be a unanimous decision. 49, 46, 49-45s for the score cards.

and Kevin Holland's windstreet comes to an end. Derek Brunson moves on to bigger and better things as we welcome you to our post-fight show here on MMAfighting.com. I am Mike Nack, joined by the whole crew. We got Jose, we got A.K. We got E. Casey Liden. And we got all of you to react to what we just saw. Yes.

What did we just see, A.K. Oh, well, I tweet. Stahl. Stahl, well, I tweet. Oh, okay. I will tweet the fucking same time. No, no, no, no. I will, so, I mean, well, we saw a good performance from Derek Brunson.

It wasn't a great performance. I'm not saying it was most exciting fight ever, but let's give credit to Derek Brunson. Much of think of the pre-fight predictions were Brunson is a superior wrestler. I mean, Holland even has said interviews that, you know, he's a good wrestler. He knows he's a good wrestler. And we said if Brunson can implement his wrestling game, it's his fight to lose. And certainly he did. He got caught a few times.

Holland has some really nice moments, you know, which we've seen the past. We know how exciting that I can be in the feat. We saw a lot of his personality. But yeah, but before we get into any other, like, criticism, anyone or break down any details of the fight, Brunson won, credit to him. Again, maybe it's not going to win Brunson a lot of new fans, but four straight wins, the middleweight division. That's huge.

And he keeps himself in line for what he wants, which is a top five opponent. So props to him. There you go. All three judges gave Derek Brunson the first four rounds. Mike Bell gave Derek Brunson a 10-8 in the first. Fair? Yeah, I guess easily 10-8, yeah. Actually, I could, I kind of saw round three going to Holland, actually,

because he thought he was doing a lot of damage on the bottom. Round two. One of the rounds, I thought Holland was actually almost doing more damage from the bottom. But I still gave it to Brunson, but I thought maybe a judge would give it to him. But, yeah. I gave Holland round two because, you know, you. Yeah, Brunson ended up on top and ended the round on top, but Paulin heard him.

He dropped him. Which is the round. I thought for sure he was around. Which is the one where he was stuck in an arm triangle for like three minutes. That was round too then? Was that the first round? I thought Derek Brunson just had that arm triangle in for like three minutes. And with squeeze and squeeze, I gave that Derek Brunson, but I'm not going to argue.

Yeah, I said that was easy Brunson's round too. 100%. Yeah, I don't know. I think when you get dropped. It kind of... He didn't get dropped. That's the thing. That's a knockdown.

I think Derek Brunson overextended and Kevin Holland just slapped him and Derek Brunson was on his way down anyway. But it doesn't matter. The right guy won anyway. You can argue rounds all we want. The right man won.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I'm not going to complain about that. But like we said in the preview show, like we said earlier, if Derek Brunson was going to win, that's how he was going to do it. He was going to take him down.

He was going to use his size, keep him on his back. I don't know. Kevin Holland's kind of a awkward, bizarre performance overall. I mean, Bronson used his size, was able to keep him down,

but I don't know. Like a lot of the things I kept seeing on Twitter was Brunson or Holland wasn't taking this fight seriously at all. What the, does anybody like buy into that? That's the stupidest thing. What are he talking about?

So like, he was goofing, laughing, or goofing, making funny jokes. There was like a video that ESPN, ESPN, MMA, Twitter. made or whatever. It got like 6,000 billion views of Kevin Holland joking around and fights and everything. And he does the same thing when he loses and now of a sudden he's not taking it serious. That's just stupid. It's like that's who he is. That's just like he's going to

smile on his wins. He smiles in his losses. I don't understand what I don't like what are you talking about. He was like he fought five rounds, 25 minutes of a much larger man. He went. He fought the toughest, I think the toughest opponent he's ever gone against. I know he beat jacqueray, but I think at this point in their career, Derek Brunson is better than Jacques right i thought there i thought kevin holland actually fought a great fight it's just derrick brunson's better i have no idea what people are talking about

yeah i mean i think our own good good go ahead i think people were little to i think our right to be someone disturbed by a lack of urgency i think there i think there's certainly appear to be like and again this is just how it looks

kasey i think you'd look at the optics of it you're like you said we we know how kevin holland is and i guess anyone who's fan of his leading up his fight should have expected this. But at the same time, as you get to the later rounds, it is discouraging, I think, if you're a Holland supporter, you're a fan of Holland to see him just kind of like, well, guys, you know what? I mean,

he's speaking you now. What was supposed to do? And it's like, I think people would want to see a little more desperation, a little more urgency and a little less chatter. Just a little less chatter. I think when you're talking that much and you're losing, it's, it doesn't look good. I'm not saying that, like I said, it's not, I'm not saying we haven't seen it before from Holland, but I'm saying it doesn't look good. I don't think it looked good before. And fights where he lost either and talked a lot.

I think some of the criticism is more than fair. He won the last round. He talked about urgent. He won the last round. He was still, you know, he, but he needed to, but he lost the fight. He thought he's going to lose the fight. When I was watching, when I was watching, I was just, I think a lot of his, like, when he'd get stuck on the ground or he'd get the clincher, he'd clip Derek Brunson. He would just stop at, he would not progress anything.

And he was having fun, which is obviously, you're supposed to have fun in there. It's all fun in games and this and that. But I was watching, like, I was this coach. I'm just like, Kevin. All right, we're having fun. Let's finish. Let's finish. Let's finish.

Let's finish this process. You can laugh about it later. But I get what Alex is saying and I get what you're saying. But I just feel like at some points, like when he got the body triangle and he started to move and then he just started to laugh about it. I was like, okay, finish it. Finish it. I'm not your coach and I'm getting frustrated that you're not finishing it.

So that's just I think that that's where if I'm a big Kevin Holland supporter or I'm his coach, whatever, that's where my frustration is coming from. I thought Kevin Allen fought the best to his abilities. Like you're saying he has to have fun. All the guys that win fights, what do they say in the post-fight interview? You know what? I just went out there and had fun and that's why I won. And we're saying, you know what Kevin Holland is too much fun.

No, I'm not saying I'm not saying too much fun. And I'm saying he, if you're going one, two, three, four, five, you can have fun one through five, but don't stop it too. Like, I felt like he was stopping at two and still have. And he was like happy to stop it too. I'm like, oh, nope, keep going. Keep going. Keep going. That's, it's not about the whole fun joking thing.

It was more of like the technique wise. He was just not there. Like when he got the clinch, you just got the clinch. And then I was like, all right, do something. And then Derek Brunson just unloaded with a bunch of uppercuts. I was like, Kevin Holland could have avoided all of that. but it is what it is. I think it goes back to Derek Brunson being a very, very underrated middleweight.

He's the most underrated middleweight in the world, and he got clipped a lot against Kevin Holland. I don't think he ever got devastatingly hurt, but I feel like there were moments. Like, I can't remember what round is. Remember when Kevin Holland said he wanted to win by, he predicted an uppercut would finish it? And then he clips Derek Brunson

and then just came in with this insane uppercut and just missed completely. and Derek Brunson took him down. I was like, you gotta be more urgent. You got to go for the kill. And when he does go for the kill, it opens up. It's a give and take all the time. I agree for you saying, Jose.

I actually, me, I agree. It was the technique. Yeah, it's all the technique. Like, he didn't need to. It's like when you throw a lazy leg kick. Like the technique, like you're a great fighter. You just do lazy leg kick. Lazy uppercut.

That's what I'm more, that's what I was more frustrated to watch it. Because Kevin Holland is better than that. He was just, I felt like he just, he just wouldn't progress more in his combinations and techniques. I think what was interesting was we actually got to, like they didn't go to commercial between the fourth and fifth round. So we got to see Kevin Holland talked to his coaches and his coaches were telling him like, you got to finish.

And he was like, I'm trying, man, I'm trying. You could see like, even though he was smiling, he was frustrated. Like Derek Brunson frustrated him and you could see it. Yeah. And then as soon as the, you know, the clapper sounded and ready to go back. out there. Brunson just put

his smile back on his face and was like, all right, let's go. It's like the conversation never happened. But what can you do? Derek Brunson, perfect game plan. Did what you need to do? One fight? Good on him. Four was the most important part. I can't, I am so impressed

that Kevin Holland got out of that arm triangle too. I thought that was a wrap. That one really confused me. I got to talk to my coach about that because I didn't understand why didn't why Brunson didn't get. I was like, dude, flatten your hips out, flying your hips, but something was, I don't know, maybe Brunson didn't have a right grip or something that I can't tell. I thought it was, I, and Casey, maybe you could speak on it more because you're, uh,

more of a cinematographer and camera person to me. I didn't, it was a weird angle during that whole arm triangle too. It was like from the top of their heads. Yeah. Like the, it was right there so you could literally only see the arms in the head. You couldn't really see any of their hips or legs or anything. And I just kept, I'm like, all right, step over and flatten out. Is he flattening out? I can't tell, but like any, regardless, I am super impressed that Kevin Holland, basically just Derek Lewis just way out of that and stood up. Yeah. I actually, yeah, I got to look at it again.

I actually don't understand why Brennan didn't get that choke in. I don't know what I was, maybe it was the angle. I just couldn't see something. It was different at the grip or something. But I was like, oh, I was almost pulling in my mind. I was kind of pulling a rogue and like, it's over. But, no. Oh, I 100%.

I won 100%. I was like, well, that's a wrap. I'm good luck in out of that. credit to Kevin Holland. He was doing something. You definitely doing something correct in there. Here's like Kevin Holland said a lot of interesting things on what the heck when I talked to him. But the most interesting thing that really like stuck out to me even during that fight was he talked about the move to 170. Like he talked about it.

He's talked about it for like a couple of years now. I remember interviewing him before UFC Boston. He said he wanted to drop to 170. And then even last year he talked about dropping to 170. But hearing him talk about it this time around. I actually believed it, especially watching this fight, because he said, I have no discipline at 185. Like, I don't have to cut any weight.

Just show up. I eat what I want. I do what I want. I could show up and weigh 183 or 184 or 185. 170 will give me discipline. I need discipline. And in the post fight, he said, I'm going to get a nutritionist, move to 170,

and then he called up below Muhammad. Oh, he did say. Oh, I didn't hear the post fight. He said that? Yeah, then he called up below. Oh, good for Kevin Holland. he should go to 170. I think that,

I think that, like, gave him everything he needed. I think by, like, the third round, he was like, this dude's too big. I'm going to 170.

Yeah. He didn't afford a nutritionist? They just did a whole package where he said he blows all his money on. And now as that happens, you know, he probably made a million dollars.

He didn't get a wind market. Yeah. He's a millionaire after last year. No doubt about it. So I'm sure he could afford. He made a guy, but yeah. But yeah,

I think this was, look, we talk about, you know, we prefer using the term litmus test, over gatekeeper, right? So if you want to look at Derek Brunson as at least relative to Kevin Holland, the litmus test, this was it.

This is his litmus test of 185. Maybe this is as high as Holland can go in 185. Again, size is definitely a factor, especially dealing with Russell like Brunson. And again, so, yeah, I think 170, if he can make it, and he certainly says he can. He's fought at 170 before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm glad. I'm glad he took this run at 185.

Look, he went 5 and 0 at 185 last year. It's very hard to do. I don't care who you're fighting. So yeah, maybe this is it. Maybe he takes his fight and says, okay, 170 is it. But there was no shame in taking this fight and, you know, having his first main event at 185. And yeah, so now we'll see what's next for him.

Yeah, I mean, I'm... Yeah, I mean, I see people in the comments going, like, Holland sucks, you know, Brunson's boring. I was like, no, this is MMA. Like, Holland was very good. This is two elite, elite middleweights. Well, actually, I think Holland is a very good middle way. I don't know if he's elite.

But, yeah, size matters. That's like we learned that last week or a couple weeks ago with Izzy and Yan. It's just like, you know, technique and, you know, just better fighting skills can only go so far. Size is going to play a factor. And but I think to me, though, what I wanted to talk about too, what really impressed me of Brunson was when he did get hit of those shots, the Brunson from three, four years ago would have folded. Hmm. This Derek Brunson

Stay composed. He backed up. We kind of just regained himself and was able to shoot under, to get the takedowns and stuff and kind of slow the fight down. Like when the fight got crazy in the past, Derek Brunson would get crazier.

And Derek Brunson just doesn't have the chin to get that crazy. And it really impressed me that Derek Brunson wasn't afraid to be boring and just get that W because that is what matters. That's he, The Brunton we saw is the Brunton that we interviewed on all those dominance days, Casey. He's a different guy.

He's a different guy. That Izzy fight was so, I don't want to say it's the best thing that happened to him, but that's like the biggest thing that's, like the biggest change. The biggest of evolution we see from Derek Brunson was after that Izzy fight. I'm not going to say Derek Brunson is going to be like middleweight champ or anything, but I kind of, I do think of a lot of like Jan Blahevich, like Yon's had some bad losses early in his UFC career. just didn't look good.

And I dismissed him. I just like, okay, he's a mid-tier, 20-fiver, whatever. You know, we'll see him. He might come up and down, but, you know, whatever. And obviously, you know, he's an extremely good, the best. He's the champ right now. He's the best 205 in the world, at least in the UFC right now. And I think for a lot of fans, they think of the old Derek Brunson.

This Derek Brunson is much better. He's just this. He just fights smarter. And he might not be as exciting or whatever, but he is a very, very good middleweight. he's going to be a he's a tough out for anyone. And if he gets, if he fights Izzy again or fights Whitaker or one of those top guys again, it'll be a hell of a fight.

He called out Paul Acosta after the win. Love in mind seeing that. Makes sense. Smart. Smart call out. Great call out. I agree. You're still waiting on bonuses.

I haven't seen anything yet. Can we play that game? Yeah, we can play that game. Oh, right. The first question, first question I'll ask, will we have a fight in that? No No Probably not

I think we got to give up Performance bonuses Yeah Yeah I think we have to give up performance bonuses Which is shame All right So I thought the Chiaz

And Reno fight was really fun We yeah That would be the fight in there for sure So we had Bruno Silva Which fight Chiazza And Renault was a great fight

I enjoyed that yeah Silva had a finish Montel Jackson Yeah To finish Grant Dawson had a finish Grant Dawson had a finish There's no way he doesn't get a bonus

Right Adrian Yana's got a finish Taitui Vasa got a finish Max Griffin got a finish I go I go ahead I'll go first I'll go go

You go You go sir No no no no no no you No no no you No no no you I got Gryffin Yanez

Uh Dawson and Jackson. Anybody disagree with Casey? Casey and his quality of competition qualifier. No, sir, I am tied to Ivasa deserves a bonus for his 49 second knockout of poor Harry Huntsucker who literally came off the couch three days ago for this fight. I don't care. I would put Griffin, Yanez to Ivasa and Dawson.

Sorry, Montel. So Montel Jack? I wouldn't be surprised if this is a three, like only three. bonuses not four if it was Dawson Griffin and probably Yanez but it is what it is

And can I just say though Everyone loves Dawson's knockout I'm okay of him not getting a bonus Because that was just plain Just horrible fight IQ by Mr. Leo Santos. I'm a big Leo Santos fan

I was like dude what are you doing man am I wrong? Well, listen. He would have lost anyways. He wouldn't have gone into it, but put your hands up, man. Like, put your hands up, man. I was like, I get it. He was maybe just super tired.

The man's 41 years old. And he was just running on fumes at that point. And just, but, um, great of Dawson, though. I mean, it was, it was pretty dang brutal. And, um, and, and, um, credit to, um, uh, the ref. Was the ref that we all love? Tione? Tione.

Yeah, yeah. Make sure the Dawson gets that extra hammer fist so that mouthpiece flies out. I will say he could have obviously jumped in there sooner, but I do think he, and I know he shouldn't do this. He, I think, just was assumed the round was about to end. And also, it's like, it's weird, because Santos's legs, as you see,

were still kind of tied up with Dawson's. So he was still kind of, it almost looked like he lived for something. I don't know, Cagioni, and we've criticized him before, but I did not think this was the worst, the worst stoppage. I wish he had gotten in there and saved Santos

from two, like, super, super bad shots after, but I think it's almost somewhat excusable, and I think they did a really good job. I think with, I think he was on the Tuva Hunsucker stoppage as well. I think he was the one on that, and he jumped right in there. So I, you know, Tione, maybe not, maybe not the most consistent referee,

but I didn't think he was horrible tonight. Oh, it wasn't horrible. It was just, we have bonuses. Okay. For Leonardo. All right, what are they? Max Griffin. I can't think that one?

That was, but wait, did I think, did I say Griffin? I said Griffin. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did it. Adrianianas. Haspianas. Yeah, of course.

Beautiful. Such a sweet knockout. Grant Dawson. With the fourth one. And the fourth? Bruno Silva. Bruno Silva. Oh, sure.

It was a good. Oh, you know what? Bruno Silva, he was a big underdog, right, coming into this fight. He was one of the bigger underdogs. He was a three-to-one. I think Bands was a three-to-one favorite. Wasn't it? He wasn't that J-P?

He wasn't that. I was saying if Bruno Silva lost, he was going to lose his job. Oh, that's all. Oh, definitely. No question. When I say underdog, I'm not even talking about betting. Okay, I'm going on. It was slight.

It was slight for J.P. Bruno said it was a plus 115 underdog. But 82% of before topology. What was the odds on a knockout window? Oh, that was. Bruno's not a strike. Bruno's not really a striker. Let me see.

I will look it up right now. Civil wins by TK.O.K.O.K.O. plus 550. Yeah. Plus. Oh, wow. Yeah, he's not a strike. Unlikely. Yeah. I think that's right. It's so nice to think they have no syllable before the fight. How did I let you guys talk me into a JP back? Who did that? Who was all of you? No, that guy. That guy up there.

I mean, it was definitely this guy. It was definitely this guy, number one. Definitely this guy, number one. I would have had a perfect night. I would have had a perfect night of picks. It wasn't for that guy. I swear you did too. I swear you were helping up JP Byes too. Me? It wasn't me.

No. I just listened to you guys. I'm easily influenced. I'm easily influenced. You guys know this. I know that. I can't be blamed for you. I picked Montserrat.

I thought Montserrat was going to be Cheyenne. I'm not. Yeah. So. And I was a different Bruno Silva. That was a different guy. That was a different guy that we've seen. That was impressive.

He looked good. If that guy shows up the rest of the way, he's a problem. I will say though, see in this corner. To give JP a little, maybe an excuse, because I'm not sure.

I don't know how much did I poke and groin shot affected him. Oh, right in the first minute. So, hey, credit to Bruno, because everyone knows

your first groin shot, your first eye poke are completely legal in MMA, completely legal. Yeah, but I thought he was rushing it, though.

I thought like, Bruno, you've got to space these apart. You use the first one to gain advantage. And then if, if JP starts coming back and you say,

you know, wait till round two, then you throw on the groin kick, but he's just like, no, I poke groin kick right away. And I'm like, I don't know, but maybe, maybe it is. Maybe, you know, hey, he won the fight. I didn't. So I'm not going to tell this man how to use his towels. Dude, he kicked him in, kick him in the groin, poked his eyes out. And the UFC goes, hey, here's $50,000. You're welcome. You went from almost losing your job to an extra 50,000 USD in your pocket, buddy.

That's not bad. And the two big favorites to not get bonuses. Montel Jackson was the biggest favorite on the card. Oh, he was. You know what? Tadubasa. It was the second biggest favorite on the card. Okay. I said Jackson for the K.O. bonus. I forgot

the guy was late notice. So I want to retract that and give it to Bruno Silva. I actually, I did. I forgot that that guy came on like a two days notice. And that guy, oh, man. I don't like talking bad about, you know, professional fighters. He has bad tattoos.

Well, I could go for 90%, but that guy did not look UFC ready, the guy that Montel Jackson beat. I also think Montel Jackson's really good. Yeah, Montel is a very good guy and the other guy just, yeah. I obviously I think they'll give straighter another chance, hopefully match him up with someone closer to his experience. That was only his sixth pro fight at six, oh, seven, seventh pro fight I think so. If they give him another chance, hopefully they find someone a little more even because

yeah, Montel is not someone to mess around with and not someone to fight. in your first UFC fight on short notice? No, no, no. He looks so... I love how chill he fights, man. Like, he looks like he's never like... He's just so chill. He's just so chill.

His interview, too. It's very relaxed. It's so relaxed. Yeah, no, he's, again, 135 is just absolutely insane right now. How about, uh, was it? Who's the guy that Taitoie Vosuch just beat?

Hunsucker. Oh, my God. He can never have another job anywhere else with those tattoos. He has a chain link fence. He has a cross. He has a tapout logo. He has cartoon bulldogs on his shoulder blades. Well, what other job can you have?

Okay. The bulldogs, I think there weren't the Carlson Gracie logo. I wasn't sure if that was what it was. No idea. It was literally just a bulldog. Okay. I don't even know. They were like cartoon bulldogs, so you could be right.

Jose, what's the assessment of Can you train a mic up a little bit? Is it? Is it low or is my mic? Is it possible? It's just coming low in my feed. Just a tiny. Oh yeah. Better?

Yeah, that's fine. There you go. Thank you. There you go. All right. Jose, what's the assistant of Cano Hauteo. She got a lot of upper body almost entirely covered.

Oh, man. Good Lord. Yeah, what's up? No, all right. Hold on. I don't want to do about tattoos. I had a friend who's over here watching and he's also pretty heavily in the tattoos. And we were trying to figure out what was going on because she had some fan.

like the material on like the source material on her body i would never get but they are so well done like they had pennywise looks like she had count chocula uh looks like she had an alien who's the clown from house the house of a thousand corpses that clowns balding yeah they're not my style but they are so well done like even the uh the the the the the the Phoenix on her leg. She had the rabbit. They, like, 10 out of 10 tattoos in terms of the application. But the source material is not my thing.

But, yeah, awesome. Awesome. Yeah, it fits her stuff. I want, yeah. We were talking about her throat tattoo is like we call it, like my friend Miguel and I, we call it Cholo font where it's like, old, it's bubbly old English that you see a lot of Cholos have. So we were like, hey, it looks like all my cousins have that same font in that same location. So, yeah, she's an awesome, awesome art, and that fight was nuts.

Yeah, it's good. I'm going to follow you home, bitch. Someone on, oh, my gosh. Someone on Reddit posted it. I don't have it in front of me, but they were like, well, this, like her interview, like, Shion Bayes' interview aged terribly because she kept saying, I know exactly what she's going to do, and I'm going to stop it. I'm like, and she did the same thing.

Dude, those rounds. What was that to be a fight like that? Like, we're like, guys, that was on ESPN. That was on ESPN. That was on ESPN. That had a high placement on ESPN. Thank God. You know how strange that would have been for people who either have never seen

UFC before or haven't seen it in a long time? I'm just like, I'm going to check. Oh, UFC is on ESPN now. I'm going to check this out. And they see the hell hell's going? Is this woman, like, winning this fight with this? Has she had her ground in the headlock like 10 minutes? What is going on right now?

It was, it was strange. I see a lot of people asking about it in the various questions about it in the comments so I guess we're just addressed it now so post fight so here's what I just saw it was it was a very frantic ending you know

Cheyenne did was who was on top at the end was Cheyenne or Monterrat was in top Montserrat was in the bottom she knew that there was like whatever five seconds left she's thrown from the bottom whatever which is kind of cool you know go from wild ass Hail Mary who knows right

and then and then people are saying and then you see kind of Montserrat dipped down I thought she was just shouting at her and saying something. And I saw the replay a couple of times. And there's people saying that she spat on Cheyenne. I do not think she did. I'm pretty sure.

And I saw there's a very clear high definition replay of like a face on shot of Montserrat. I think you would know if she spat on her. I'm sure we'll do interviews with some of these fighters and get the story, whatever their story is. I'm going to say there was no spitting. That's my official stance right now. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Maybe I just didn't see it. I don't think there was.

Either way, she definitely got in her face. a way that I don't think Cheyenne liked and I don't blame her. It was a very heated fight, very frustrating fight for Cheyenne. And then Cheyenne did the, what will now become one of the, I think one of the great MMA lines as it ages. Casey, what was it again? I'll follow you home, bitch. That's the new, uh, fighting is a, I'm a feeling. That's, yeah. That's, yeah. This is a political. This is a monster energy. But quite a debut for Caneho, though. I mean, that was, I thought, I thought she almost got that scarf hold again that she got, that she won, that she beat Miranda with.

She was going for, like, she went for like six, she went for like 30 times. It was great. It was amazing how many times she got that headlock take down. I was just like, and I just can't imagine the frustration for, for Chey and Bayes and her team. I just must have been maddening, but hopefully live and learn, right? Dude, but that, that is MMA. I mean, I'm serious. Like, you can learn every day.

dang thing, every dang submission, every dang takedown, every dang type of clench, every way to get out. You know what? But I don't need to learn the scarfold or how to get out of it. And that's the one thing she just didn't know the technique for or even anything. And yeah, it's just like, oh, that's

how I'm going to lose my debut. It's like when Paul Harris was doing his thing, with all those leg locks. Like, I don't care how much you train for it. Like, someone's special. Every jiu-jitsu gym or tournament has someone that's good at like one thing. That's so good. That's when you see a lot of these crazy like blue belt brown belt upsets where they focus on one thing and get really good at one thing

Well, I'll give Cheyenne little credit this was a short notice fight so She didn't have that much time to prepare for that particular Submission and submission hold but that's literally how Montserrat got into the UFC that was her last victory so it wasn't like this came out of nowhere I didn't know so it was fun fun fight and look Fun fight. Look, even on a higher level in the main event, it's kind of what we're saying about Holland, right? It's like, do you think, it's like, do people think Holland doesn't know how to fight off his back?

He doesn't know how to use his guard to like, you know, get back up to counter. Of course he knows how to do all that stuff. But it's different in a fight. And when someone else is so good at imposing their game plan, you know, guess what? Because I'm going to, I'm sure they're supposed to say, oh, like I was there. Like I said, I'm critical of Holland. I thought, like I said, I didn't like all the talking. I thought he could have fought better.

But at the same time, I know he knows how to fight out of his guard. I know he knows how to reverse positions, go for an arm ber's off his back. He knows all kinds of jiu-jitsu stuff probably. But he had a wrestler on top. That wrestler had, you know, he knows how to maintain top position really well. There's nothing you do about it once you get in that spot. So that was on a higher level, on a lower level. That's kind of what happened to Shaihan Bayes as well.

She felt prey to a, like, again, a hold you don't see very often, but she just didn't have an answer for it. And hopefully, you know, she'll learn from that and we won't see that again. Yeah, to go from Kay Hansen to Monstarat Ruiz is a totally different fight. It's a totally different fight. No disrespect to Kay Hansen because Kay Hansen is a good fighter too, a good young fighter. But Monsterat is just, she's a bulldog man. And experience paid.

Montserrat has, I think this was her 10th professional fight. She's 9-1-1. Bays was, what, 4-1-1-4-1, right? 4-5-1. 4-1-5-1. Either way, she had less fights. And honestly, she has faced lesser competition, I feel, than Montserrat. And, yeah, and I think experience really paid off for Montserrat, too.

Yeah. And at this stage, your career, it can be exponential, you know what I mean? It's not like later when you're comparing a guy who has like 40 fights with 35 fights. The difference between 10 fights and 5 fights or 10 fights and 6 fights. It also depends who you're fighting too. But I'd say a pretty good general rule, 10 fights, 11 fights, 12 fights is way, way different than 4 or 5, 5, 5, 6 fights, even 7 fights, 5 fights, 6 fights, even 7 fights. especially depending where you're fighting. So, yeah, it's exponential early on,

and yeah, we did see some of that today. And there's definitely a type of matchup where I feel like if they fight, I don't know, four years from now, they could be both completely different fighters. Especially Cheyenne. I think she looked very raw, but I definitely saw the potential

that the UFC season of her, that Mike, you know, Mike, when you were very high on her coming into the fight and stuff. And I see, I definitely saw that. It wasn't like, who, why is she in the UFC? You definitely saw why Cheyenne, is a prospect. Yeah, she's really good on the feet.

You can tell there's a big, I mean, big, big, big difference on the feet between those two. But, I mean, Montserra was landing shots too. She's counted in very well. Isn't, uh, can we, Sian is a black bell in Taekwondo. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's, she's really good in a straight line. And then when you get taken off that straight line. Mm-hmm. You could see, though, like her flurries were very, like, linear,

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Can we talk about Yanez at all? Can we talk? I think he was, I would, the most impressive fighter? There you go. Is that fair to say? Yes, Chattania, how good, yeah. Dude, that's, I'm sorry. Oh, Jose.

Oh, you're frozen, Jose. Am I good? You're good now. Am I good? You're back. You're back. back. All right. Yeah, all everyone started frozen. I think this was spectacular matchmaking to showcase Yanez because Lopez isn't going to quit. And it just gave, like, it was just,

he just built his highlight reel up to that knockout. And then Lopez obviously just tough as hell preview show. Awesome matchmaking to highlight, uh, rising prospects with a really tough fighter that fans, I think, have started to come to know in the last 12 months because he's taking a few fights in apex but yeah Yanez look freaking awesome. Yeah, I was crazy, man.

Yeah, I had not seen an aggressive, pretty good striker frozen like that since it reminded me a little bit of, and this is very high praise for Yanez who I know was getting

compared to a lot of stars, but I'm reminding a little bit of Bader and Machita because during the second round of this fight there was like a almost, I'd say like a three-minute stretch where neither guy threw

and throws like anything. A lot of feints, a lot of movement. Lopez bouncing around a lot on the outside. Yanez doing some stance switching, doing some kind of, you know, some misdirection with his hands, things like that,

but literally not one single strike throw on no leg kick or anything. And so I kind of like jokingly tweeted out like, oh, I guess we're just not punching anymore. Ha, ha, ha. I'm a funny Twitter guy, you know. But there was a reason for it. There was a reason for it.

Yanez was winning. Yanez knew he was winning the fight. And Lopez had gotten tagged many times up to that point. And in his head, whether he's thinking about a constantly or not, he's like, man, I don't like going in on this guy because every time I get in, it hurts. And sure enough, at the beginning of third,

And at the beginning third round, I'm sure he's like, I'm down, you know, I'm down two rounds, nothing. I got to go in. And this is, again, if anyone remembers the Bader-Machita fight, he did like nothing in the first round. And the middle of the second round, he's like, you know what? I'm going in. I got to go in. I'm losing. Yeah.

And just gets murdered by one punch. And same thing happened to Lopez. And guys, watch that punch. Like anyone listening, watch that, I'm watching, watch that punch over and over again. It could not be more perfectly time. Like, he really, you'll know why Lopez was afraid to approach and afraid to strike. It's, it's like, that is high-level stuff. I had not fully bought.

into the Yanaz hype. And then this fight, I'm like, he's definitely ready for a step up in the, in the rain. I know 135 is super deep, but he's ready for a step up because Lopez is a good fighter and just completely outclassed him. That was amazing. It was.

It was a spectacular counter knockout. It was great. High level. High level. Wow. Man. It was crazy watching him land. It was like a family guy fight.

Like every time Peter Griffin throws a punch or takes a punch, it gets marked up immediately. and that's what happened with Yana's. Like every time he touched Gustavo Lopez, there was a new welt or a new cut or a new bump. Like, it was just crazy. Every time he landed, immediate, immediate facial lacerations or welts. It was just crazy, man.

He was like, who hit me? He's a talent. Yeah, he's a talented guy. I saw John suggest Davey Grant. I think he may have saw my thing on Twitter, but Davey Grant has a broken foot. So I don't think we'll see him. I know Yannas wants to fight at 262,

which makes all the sense in the world. Did he called someone out, right? He called Nate Mainis out, but Nate Manus is fighting Tony Gravely on April 17th. So unless Manus gets like a quick finish, you can turn around, but Tony Gravely's a really tough guy to put away quickly. Hey, what do you go?

By the way, I just want to read this. Cheyenne Bay is just posted to Instagram. To all my friends and family, I just want to say, I'm sorry for losing my club after the fight. I have never in my life been spit on by an opponent that I gave nothing but respect to. So she is saying there's a spit. And someone actually who's watching right now

posted like a slow-mo of the moment, it's a little sketch. It's a little sketch. It's a little sketch. I understand why people think there was some saliva flying. Back and to the left, right, Mike? Back and to the left.

There was a magical loopie. she was asked about it at her scrum and she was asked about it at her scrum and she's in Montserrat says she didn't spit on it but even if she did I don't think she's gonna say oh yeah I did I spit on her

she might be just yelling I might want to you know it definitely wasn't one of those lips closed it wasn't who did Bisbing spit on Cory Santiago is it Santiago

is it Santiago is Porter Rivera I don't remember yeah Cory Rivera Yeah, his corner. All right. Say that.

Yeah. Massachusetts's own. Jorge Rivera. O'Malley. If O'Malley beats Almeida, by the way, if O'Malley beats Almeida, there's no way in hell. Sean O'Malley's taking that fight. No way. What do you think about Janez, Brian Ketterher?

Is that crazy? No. It's a possibility. I don't know. I'm just saying. Not about it. I would watch it. It's Bantamweight.

You can't F up Bantam weight. It's like. unless you're Peter Yon but otherwise everything's just great at Bantamway it's just like this reminds me of like

the last time we saw Fiziv remember the last time we saw Fiziv fight and we're just like man put them up against anybody we're just like that kind of performance just opens your imagination you're like anybody you know

all right what about umah is Misi Chesa oh god yeah I don't know maybe they're never gonna have to face those are two

really legit prospects and I think it's a little too early for it. But I don't think you can avoid like I don't think you can avoid like another prospect though. I have an idea which you'll hear tomorrow on onto the next one. Daniel Wood would be a script.

Well I hope I'm not going to spoil it right now because Macy should. Oh, are we talking about Macy now or are we? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Now we're going to talk about it. Other band. I hope I'm not spoiling on the show mic, but I'm just saying, hey, you know, I think she's actually to get a title shot right now just say I'm going up to 1.45 and I want to challenging for the featherweight title because I'll tell you there's no one in the line right now. So it's just like the line, it's like when

you go to the, you know, you go to an amusement park and there's like a really, a really unpopular ride. And it's like, well, no one's this ride. It's just you get to run right straight to the right, straight to the front of the line and just go go into it. Guess I'm riding the teacups again. Or not, or not enjoy it because you're fighting a man, Nunez at 1.45, which is not fun for anyone, I don't think. Yeah, I don't know what you do with Macy. I mean, move her up, but I don't know who you put her against. I mean, there's really no wrong answer here. I don't know if she gets Kunzkaya.

I don't think, well, maybe Aldana. I don't know. No, no, no. I think like Sarah McMahon. I don't know. Someone, just a name or a Kel Pennington. I think there's plenty of names. I think, I think, I think Macy got a win tonight, but I don't think, I don't think there's,

it was a good fight, obviously, but I don't think that those three ladies mentioned in this Kunikyah, Adon, our lad. I don't think, I don't think Macy's. I don't think that's right matchup. What about Julia? Julia Avila. Oh, well, that's interesting. Texas versus Oklahoma.

I like that. I like it. A quick turnaround. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. I mean, I'm going to try to do it real fast. Yeah, I think they're going to try to rebook the Stoliarnko fight, but it just depends on when they do it. I like the McMahon.

I like the McMahon fight. or Alexis Davis looks pretty good at 135 since jumping back out too. Yeah. Caitlin Vieira. Oh, yeah, I forgot about her. You Alexis Davis, I'm telling you, man, she already beat Amanda News and finish her. Lexis Davis is only like one big win away from, to see, Amanda News can have been lost. Yeah, you're right.

Or you can bring back Sarah Kaufman and you can do Sarah Kaufman versus Massachusetts. Just bring back Sarah Kaufman. Come on. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of, you know what? If I just keep going, Sarah Kaufman should never be in the UFC. That's when she'll get in. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Jose tells us this all the time. Stop. Yeah, we got to stop asking for things because we're not going to get what we want. No. Once in a blue one. And we'll see. 135 is kind of interesting right now because we don't know what the hell's going on. We don't know when Amanda Nunes is going to come back and fight.

We'll see. I kind of like the, I like the Aspen Lad, Juliana Paney idea. Then we get a contender and Amanda Nunes can take all the time she needs. I like that idea. Don't hate it. So there you go. That was a good fight, though. Excellent.

The tip of the proverbial cap. Mary Renaud, though, is she, we said this as a win or go home for her. Is she, is she done? Happy, you have a UFC. Happy trails. Mary and Renaud. Happy trial. Yeah, four straight losses.

She's the oldest fighter. It's a good fight. That was a good, really good competitive fight. She made a fine showing for herself. But at some point, you've lost four straight fights, and that's it. That's really, I mean, the match reason is being done with you. So, yeah, I think that might be it for Mary and Renault in the UFC. All right.

We shall see. She has a full-time job, too, so she doesn't want to fight anymore. Like, no. One. Yeah. She has a career. She's a teacher, right? Yeah, yeah.

She is like a gym teacher or something. Yeah. Cool she is. Do you do, do, do, do. Let me find some more questions. Oh, by the way. For those who just watched the UFC event, just for the main event and missed the unfortunate news of the day,

we found out that UFC 260 is down the title fights. Alexander Bokinovsky tested positive for COVID-19. The featherweight title fight between he and Brian Ortega is not happening next Saturday. It is being postponed to a later date. We don't know what that date is. But all the best, too. Volcanovsky and that that kind of like brings up other questions like big questions what happens

with Shane Young what happens with Jamie Malarkey who's supposed to fight Kamalworthy next Saturday like they're still going to be fighting I don't know because they were all together so I don't know if they're going to pull all those guys or I don't know there are lots of questions about that because so so do we know if Riddell is was Riddell the one that has COVID or someone just in their camp? We don't know. Yeah. That's so weird.

It's just weird how the UFC doesn't say these things, but I mean, they're injuries. I mean, they're out of the fight. I mean, so if they flew. So they were in New Zealand or Australia, they, to get on that plane, they had to be COVID-free, they landed, they get tested, and somehow they got COVID in the UFC bubble. That's not good, you know, or whatever the UFC biggest bubble is right now. So that's not a good sign. There's some holes. Some leaks in that bubble.

And yeah, that's a bad thing. So I hope that gets, yeah, that sucks. It just sucks. 15,000 fans, Vice Star Veterans Column in Jacksonville, Florida coming soon. 19,000 fans, I believe Toyota Entering Houston coming soon. In Miami is just shutting down. They're now out. I don't want to get into this.

Geez, let's talk fights. I have all next week to get into this. All right. What else we got? All right. Oh, man. I was trying to focus on this card and, oh. That's big news.

I know. I know, no, no, you're right. Of course. We can't stick her head in the sand when it comes to these things. Of course we can. there we go. Max Griffin called out Jeff Neal for his next fight.

I think he's ready to get a top 15 fighter. I think I tweeted the exact words were Max Griffin called out Jeff Neal for a fight of UFC 262 and a $50,000 bonus. I think he's going to get one of those two and he got the one of the two that I thought he was going to get. I mean, if they made it, fine. Like shoot your shot, kid.

I like it. I just don't know if I don't think he gets that fight. I think it's going to, what he has going for him is if Jeff Neal really wants to fight in Houston. And if Max Griffin is like the guy to do it, I think that's a huge, it's not like they're calling out to fight in the apex. Like we've seen fight, like I remember John Maragapal fought Willie Gates just so he could fight in Phoenix. So it's like, I think that plays, that that's going to be in Max Griffin's ever. But you're probably right. Yeah.

I mean, if they make it, it's a fun fight. I'd definitely watch it. that was a smart callout that's what he called that yeah that's a smart call out I'm just looking at his record so he's he's technically fought guys in the top 15 before though some of them I think before they were top 15

so I'm just looking at losses to Colby Covington Eli Zulesuleschi Tiago Alves probably wasn't in the top 15 anymore I don't think when 2019 probably not and then Alex Oliver who I think also was not in the top 15 I believe when they fought UFC 248 so he has a guy to have kind of been

in top of Dean area. So yeah, it's not a question that he gets so many, even if it's not Jeff Neal. But I'll have to look at the ranking. I'll have to look at the official rankings. So he's, he's an interesting guy, Griffin. You know, he's been competitive in so many fights. He does, he has on paper a losing UFC records.

So, I mean, that's not the, it's not the prettiest thing to look at. But he's really been incompetent. He's beaten Mike Perry, you know. But like that, like he definitely beat Tiago Alva's. He definitely beat. to be Tiago Alvis. And I think he'd be Cowboy Olivares.

Two splits. Cowboy fight, it was obviously a lot closer. That wasn't a robbery. I think Tiago Alviz over Max Griffin was a robbery. I remember that there's a lot of controversy. I think his record is not indicative of his skill set. Oh, 100%.

He's getting better. He's competitive with almost anyone, yeah, really. And he's got that dad motivation now, so that joke. Colby was his first fight in the UFC, right? It was like his debut. Was it his, it was his first, yes.

UFC 202. Yeah, Connor. So just take, we'll take two, I'm going to take two more questions. Okay. It's like super late. So anyone watching, get your questions in, please. You're going to ask anything. We love John Daniel, but John Daniels,

but John Daniels being you guys look like fools right now, right? I know. Get your questions. Get your questions. Are you going to ask anything? The matchmaking questions are all going to be answered tomorrow, my friends, by me and AK. But if you guys, Jose and Casey want to chime in about a tie to Abbas and maybe cracking the top 15, I don't think that's a top 15 type of win, beating Harry Hunsucker.

But if he gets a top 15, it'll probably be 15, maybe 14, like a fight to get him into the top. But I don't think he's going to be ranked. You know, but I wouldn't see why not. I mean, because you've seen, like, what, they let half their heavyweights go recently. Yeah. What is the tough? That's true. Yeah, he might be ranked by people.

Yeah, because you're not, that's a good point. That is a good point because Overeem dosanto's got cut and Struve just retired. Yeah. So that's three spaces that just opened. And we don't know what's up of Curtis Blades either. That's true. I know what Curtis. Alexia, Olinick.

Olinick? Olinick? We don't know if it's a Blinick. you know, I don't know. Is Arlowski booked or is he coming off of loss? Is he coming off a loss? I can't remember. He's got submitted by Aspinall.

Yeah, so, who knows? Ty already beat him. Ty already beat him. Oh, you're right, you're right, you're right, correct. Chicago. Very poor a fight. Remember the last card was Spivak, Aspinall, and who was the other guy, the other heavy-way guy on there? And Docis, remember?

And we're all like, we're like, which one of these guys could end up being in the top 15 with a win? And then, like, the week later, up JDS and the Overe and we were released. Like, I guess they're all in the same. top 15 now. Spivak's still not in the top 15 though. He's still that in there. He's been in there before. Hasn't he been in the 15 spot before? He's never been ranked top 15. I think he might have been 15 at one point for like that. Yeah, 15. Yeah. I think it was. I think it was. I think it was. But then Spivak already beat to Ivasa in a massive stadium in Melbourne. I could see him, I could see him getting a top 15 guy for sure. I did. Again,

there's only how many heavy weights they even have now? Like 25, maybe 30, maybe 30 heavy weight's not? And and there is. And there is. There's a certain heavyweight that, a new heavyweight that lives in Albuquerque. He used to fight at 205. I'm not saying he'll fight to Avasa, but he's going to be there soon too. I would love if he fought.

If John Jones's first fight, heavyweight was tied to Abasa, or even better, even better, Harry Hunt's sucker. That would be, that would be fantastic. To Ivasa from A.k.a. Gets Revenge for Daniel Kormier, sign it up.

There's only, there's only one answer to this question. and you'll find out tomorrow. There's only one correct answer to tie Dewey Vaz's next fight. Tease, you tease. There's only one. All right.

So we're going to take one answer. Yeah. We'll take one more question. I like this question. New comment or two. I don't recognize this thing. So here we go. First time, long time.

What do you think? Collins' potential is at Welterweight? There's a lot of good wrestlers in that division as well. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's, I mean, personally,

I think he's got a lot of potential. But the thing about, it's not just the move to welterweight, that fascinates me. It's the fact that he knows he needs discipline and that the move to 170 will force him to get that discipline that he is admitted that he's never gotten. He's just,

he's done all this just based on God-given talents and being able to walk on the scale and weigh 185. And now he's got to put in some extra work to get down to 170, like change his lifestyle a little bit, put away the cheeseburgers. And he said he basically eats and does whatever he wants. Now he has to, you know, focus, fine-tune himself as a professional athlete. I think he could do once.

I think he could be a legit one in 70-year. No doubt about that. He's the striking. He's going to be the longest, lengthiest 170-year out there. He's a legit middleweight. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. So, yeah, you're right.

If he can make Walter weight healthy, and that's on him, that's not on a, you know, I know, I know we can talk about weight cuts, weight coach, you know, that's a, that's a, that's a discussion to be had. but he can make Walter weight. And if he can do it healthy, not do drastic weight cuts, but do it, you know, how you're supposed to. Absolutely, Kevin Holland can be a serious threat at Walter Waite.

And I've been kind of waiting for this. And this was actually kind of my prediction coming into tonight. I thought Derek Brunson's size will kind of show Holland. All right, you know, I hit my ceiling. And no, and now, hello, Walter weights. That's why I don't think Holland lost that much tonight outside of you know a paycheck. And so yeah, I'm excited about it.

And that's a very good point that you make, Mike, about the discipline. That it is a definite lifestyle change and a commitment to the weight class. So it definitely can make him a much better fighter. But then again, it can make it not fun. And he's a guy that likes to have fun. So who knows? Dude, give him Bilal, man.

Give him Bilal, man. That makes it last time. At 262. Do it in Houston. That makes a lot of time. He'll turn around in fighting May. In his home, in Texas. Oh yeah, great.

There you go. He lives up in Dallas, right? Dallas area. Fort Worth, yeah. Yeah, it's like a three-hour drive south. When not Hamzot, Hamzot called him the help. I'm sure Kevin Holland wants.

Kevin Holland wants time to make 170. And he has had, he has had, he has had unkind things to say about Hamzad and how Hamzad has dealt with COVID-19 to put it nicely. 15 pounds is a lot. That's one thing that's a bit different. The difference between middleweight and much ways is a lot. I am all in on him fighting in Houston. I just don't know if that's enough time to get his body right. You're right.

That would be. And the other thing that, thank you for the question, Ron Willie, about the wrestlers. Like, you know, his main concern is those are a lot of wrestlers, 17. again the weight thing will make a difference no he's not wrong but Holland will be bigger at welter weight which is good

so that helps it helps a lot it's not going to fix all his wrestling division C's but it helps a lot two I don't know if we use tonight as like oh he has no wrestling based on tonight Kirk Brunson is an elite wrestler and an elite and more also an

MMA wrestler is a very very good MMA wrestler I don't know how he would do whatever and you know there was the NCAA championships tonight right I don't know if he's going to be able to roll with those guys at this age, but it's totally even saying in MMA, he's a proven very, very high level MMA wrestler.

First time taken down today. Had never been taken down a UFC fight. Holland was the first one to do it. So that shows how good he is as a wrestler, that it took that long for someone to take him down. So, yes, there are guys like that at 172, of course. But just because of what happened tonight, it doesn't mean that all the guys in 170 could do it to him.

Maybe the top of the top. But again, once you reach the top 10, if you make it to the top 10, I consider you a success. So, yeah, he can actually be a top 10, Walter Waite. I like the Santiago fight would be fun too because he's unranked. There you go.

And like I said about Holland, too, I know some people want to crap on him or whatever. But like I said, I thought Holland fought great tonight. He just was not, he's just in the wrong way class at that high level. And yeah, and like he said, he had Derek Brunton on top of him for like 20 minutes. And he, and Kevin Holland was never any serious danger of getting finished. And I think that's very impressive. So. Casey, he needs to work on his manners.

Yeah. He's rude. Casey, he's rude. Yeah. I'm just going to say it. I'm going to say. I'm sorry. The show's almost over.

I've got to get my two cents and he's rude. There were some moments. And I don't know how much he, like, if he's ever dabbled in 10th plan or whatever or how flexible he is. But like Casey, when he had, when he like grabbed his shin, I was like, oh, he's getting into mission control. And then he just like put it in the regular arm. I'm like, what a, like, his setups were so weird. He was using like 10th planet setups just to like get a regular art, like a body lock. I was like, again, like just keep progressing.

Don't just stop at step two. The guy's very talented. I think, um, right. Derek Hunter was like trying to posture up and Kevin Holland like grabs his leg. I was like, oh, this is smart because then he could like trap him up there and start like an elbow from the bottom and he just did him. Yeah. He's a, yeah. Yeah, and what?

Kevin Hall is what? He's 28 years old. He's not even in his. prime yet, which is pretty scary. How much did he weigh on the scale? 183. 183. He's smaller than Darren Till, right?

He's done that before, too. He's waiting in 183 before, too. He's not, he's definitely. I would say he's actually smaller than Izzy. And Izzy's not a big middleweight. I don't know. Yeah, he's smaller than Izzy. Yeah, he's probably, yeah.

So, yeah, he's the smallest elite middle weight in the UFC. So he's going to actually be a regular. size, ultra weight, yeah. Gasolm's pretty small. Oh, yeah, you gas on too. Gaslum should be a welterweight, too, but he's a really good middleweight. Just do me in and out, down here.

All right. Anything else to talk about, gentlemen? I think that's it. Yeah. Make sure you, uh, how great. If you haven't done the viewers are. Yes, go ahead. You guys rule.

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