MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 27 Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: May 23, 2021

With UFC Vegas 27 in the books, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Jose Youngs, Alexander K. Lee and E. Casey Leydon react to the top storylines coming out of Saturday’s event at the APEX, including Rob Font’s dominant decision win over Cody Garbrandt in the bantamweight headliner. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is wonderful stuff, and it ended with a damn good performance, probably the very best, start to finish, from the founding member of the New England cartel. Rob Font, dominates Cody Garbrandt, sweeps the scorecards on two of the judges' scorecards. Derek clearly was clearly watching a different fight scored at 4847

but it is what it is the right fighter won and that's all that matters is we welcome you to the UFC Vegas 27 post fight show live on the M.A. fighting YouTube page, Twitter and Facebook.

I am Mike Heck. Got the whole crew with me once again. We got Jose Youngs. We got the Prince of Positivity. We got E. Casey Liden on the ones and twos. Hey, hey. That's my new thing.

Like an 80s DJ. Hey, how's it doing? Hey. Hey. Trying to hit that post. All right. So, interesting event. We saw a little bit of everything on this night, but in the end,

main event was pretty fun. Rob Font turned it on as the fight progressed, and he looked pretty damn good tonight. He established himself as clearly one of the best 135 pounds in the world, defeats Cody Gar-Brandt v. unanimous decision. Jose, your thoughts on how this main event played out. I'm Jose. My mic doesn't work.

My mic doesn't work. I always see levels. How do you? You have to hit it. Yeah. Just hit it. I guess I have to punch it anyway. I picked Cody Garbrandt.

I picked Cody Garbrant to win. But it was, it was, I'm not calling it a 50-50 fight because I obviously picked Cody Garbrant to when I actually favored him, but it was a slight favorite. I did not expect Rob Font. to just piece him up with boxing. I thought Cody Garbrand's head movement was been pretty good as of late. Obviously in the Sunsetteau fight,

that's kind of what he showcased. And he's always been known as one of these. As Michael Busom said it, a thousand times on the broadcast, because I actually watched the broadcast. I watched it with the broadcast on this time. We just kept talking about, oh, one punch knockout power,

one punch knockout power. Cody Garbrand obviously has some of the best hands at 135 pounds, if not all of the UFC. So I did not expect Rob Fon to just piece him up for 25 minutes. I don't really I think I had it four rounds to one Rob Font with that first round giving it to Cody Garbrandt, but I know a lot of people are complaining about the scorecards. Don't really care the right person won, regardless of the scorecards, at least, at least all three judges had the right man winning. So if you take away the weird rounds, that's pretty much the only thing you complain about. But yeah, Rob Font looked fantastic.

I'm not going to call him the best Bannemweight in the world. Like some people are on Twitter. I think someone was it Michael Bisping or Paul Felder said that Rob Font might have the best jazz. in all of MMA. I don't agree with that, but I think Rob Fon is fantastic, and it clearly shows that down at the New Englander cartel, him training with Calvin Cater for so long,

his boxes clearly on point. So Rob Font made me put my foot in my mouth when I picked Cody Garbrandt, he is fantastic, and it opens up a entire new world of possible matchups that I really want to see at 135 pounds. A.K., your thoughts. And we're not, I'm not going to sit here on my pedestal because I beat you in the picks.

It was like the ugliest pick win ever. It was like earning the eighth seed in the Eastern Conference and the NBA with an under 500 record. I mean, that's basically how my picks were. I think I lost like seven fights in a row and then fought finally picks it up for me. That's all that matters.

That's all that matters. Shots fired at the Washington Wizards. Come on now. Come on now. We got a lot of people in Washington who loves the show. And by the way, technically, we tied with the amount of correct picks,

but you did win on topology points, I think. If we're using the topology points system, You did win, but we actually both came in under 500. We tied at five, five picks each out of 12. Wait, I didn't even submit my picks and I probably won. You didn't even submit your picks. And actually, yes.

And so Mike and I tied at five, but Mike did win on points. Mike, Mike is. And also he won the main event, which we normally is a tiebreaker. So either way, Mike won. But yeah, five correct picks each. All right. Well, what did you think of the main event? I was sorry, what I think of the main event?

I'm okay Well, let me first Are we still technically after dark? I know we're on early on. Can I listen a little On the East Coast We're after dark. Are you going to curse?

Hold on sorry. Yeah, can I curse a little bit? Sorry, my audio went up there for saying. Can I curse a little bit? I know we're not, even though we're not after dark. I think most people will know this, but I think it's important for me to say it.

I don't know shit about picking fights. All right. I don't know shit about picking fights. I might not. Look, I might not. know shit about MMA. I think, again, people have said this to me. People have tried to tell me how little I know about MMA. I've been defiant. I have been, you know, sometimes I try and take it as constructive criticism, but like, you know, privately I tell myself, no, you're great. You're,

you're, you write for MNMathbiting.com. You know what you're talking about. I don't know anything. I went 0 for 6 on the main card, which is the only, which people go to mabind.com. Those are the ones that I actually write out, like, predictions for. So those are usually the only ones people pay attention to. They don't care about the prelimpics. So anyone who wants to head over there and slander me, by all means, it's fair game. I don't know nothing. It's not just that I'm sorry,

I know I'll talk about the rest of the card later. I'll just say it right now. It's not just that I got the picks wrong. I was like so wrong and how the fights would unfold. It's not of just picking the wrong person. It's like, oh, I thought it would go this way. It went completely the other way. I was kind of accurate at the main event, as far as I said,

if this stays a straight boxing match, then Font has the advantage. I think we all saw that. And yeah, and it stayed a straight boxing match because of him, because of his take down defense. because of his ability to control the range. So it wasn't like, it wasn't just like Gar-Brand, oh, fell into it.

It's like, no, give credit to Fond. He made it into a boxing match, and that was his biggest strength, and he looked spectacular tonight. So, yeah, I don't know about Best Band-Omate. I don't know about Best Jab, but damn, he clearly, like, you know, top four, top three right now, undisputed.

Casey? I agree with everything A.K. said at the beginning about him knowing shit about M.A., so you're right, AK, you know nothing. So I'll just... Thank you. Main event. I did pick Garbrand coming to this, but as much as I thought Rob Vaughn's boxing performance was incredible,

I did go into this thinking what Cody Garberant are we going to see after this... The COVID-19 effects he had on him. And I know BISB being alluded to it during the fight, but man, that... I know Cody got hit a lot and everything, but that just didn't. That looks like a different Cody Garberin out there. Maybe, but there's a lot of other factors. You know, we kind of went into this thinking, well, if Calm Cody's in there, he's going to win. But if you get the rage, Cody, he'll get knocked out.

But Cody seemed to do better when he was in a little bit of rage mode. And but give Roth, incredible amounts of credit for never kind of get into that. I feel like Cody Garbant looked at that. play of him knocking out a sense out like oh i'm gonna try that 50 times and every time he kind of dipped like rob's like dude i i've seen the highlight i know it's coming so um outside of that uh i mean just just a great performance from raffan and um i don't think he gets a title shot from this unfortunately for him but um he's elite he's he's one fight away and um great performance and um what an incredible jab jabs win fights yeah i had a little like

inside baseball because I was, I watched Rob Fon's final sparring session and poor Tatechi Matsuda. Shout out to MMA vet, 25 fights, Cage Titan CES and a slew of others.

Tetechie Matsuda got lit up like a Christmas tree by that Rob Fon jab for like 20 minutes straight. I felt bad for the kid. He was just getting lit up over and over again. That jab, I mean, I couldn't even like, I couldn't even blink. I was watching that jab land so much. I was like, man, if this jab starts landing this fight, it's going to be a long

night for Cody and Fond just kept landing that jab over and over again. I know he wanted to get Cody frustrated. I think he did a little bit in the fifth round, but Cody, to his credit, stayed composed throughout most of the fight, even when things were getting bad. I know Fon stung him. I think it was in round two, maybe round three. It was either the second or third round where Fon had him on like wobbly legs for a minute. And they even said on the broadcast, like, normally when Cody gets rocked, that's when the guy comes out who just loses his mind and loses

composure, but stuck with it, got a takedown, got his wits to him, and just a good fight. Rob Fogg gets it done. Like I kind of stated during the preview show, I don't think this really boosts him up too much in the rankings. I think it's just kind of like defending his spot.

But depending on how this all plays out with Dillishaw and Sanhagen, when this title fight will happen, I just don't see it happening in October. I just don't after the surgery that Sterling had, all that. It might happen at the end of the year. I wouldn't be shocked to see Font fight the winner of Sanhagen and Dillashaw at this point, just to keep the train moving a little bit,

just because we don't know when the title fight's happening. So big win for Font. He moves on to bigger and better things, and there you go. Good on him. I like to point out, too. Are we going to put the rest that Cody's got no chin? Because good Lord, he got hit in the face a lot. I mean, we know Mr. Pontch has some power too.

So I was just like, weren't we just kind of waiting for Cody just to turn off? And it just kind of never happened. He's never really buckled hard. It was just, I mean, Cody's, yeah, I mean. He got hit in the face 145 times in that fight. 176 significant strikes for Rob Font The most he has ever landed in his career He outlanded Cody

176 to 63 in the fight Best round for Font was round four Outlanded Cody 51 to 12 And then round 5 was 45 to 15 I know there were no 10 8s but man Those feel like they're coming in some I mean I know he didn't get dropped But those are dominant

rounds and I mean by their criteria what 10 8s are I wouldn't have been surprised but um 5045 is obviously a good score what was the significant strike advantage in the last round mic 45 to 15 45 to 15 and Derek Cleary gave him that round yeah we gave him round four no no no round five and one which I think people seem to agree as calls I did I actually thought one was pretty clearly for font but that is the one I saw most people were saying one was close so of short. But round five, the first 30 seconds, 41, then the rest of it wasn't unlike the other rounds.

And obviously, and again, the numbers aren't. I always said the numbers, even significant strike stats, which are helpful are never, you know, don't necessarily tell the whole story. But I thought it was a pretty clear font round as well, other than the first 30, 40 seconds. So hearing the numbers, that sounds right. Yeah, for those wondering the numbers in the first round,

font outstruck Garbrandt, 21 to 13. So that was the closest round by far in terms of strike discrepancy. Round 2, 27 to 8. So he almost tripled them up there, doubled them up in the third round. More than tripled them up in round four. Actually, more than four times them in round four. And then triple them up in round five. So that was tough to watch.

What happened in round one where, because I'm kind of losing my memory already, but like, Bizbing and Felder were talking like it was a given that Garbrandt had one round one. And I was just kind of like, what? It was a takedown. He had a takedown. He had some top controls. He didn't do much with them. He didn't do much with them.

I hate how they reinforced that bad scoring. It's like, well, we're getting better. You got a little better. Okay. At least the judge's got it right. Judges got it right, but I was just kind of surprised.

Except for the Derek Cleary, 44. But Bisping, I thought, was pretty good. At one point, he was really going point by point in one of the fights and kind of breaking down their criteria. But you're right, he does get caught him in the mole, one minute he'll be explaining it properly. You'll be kind of like, oh, yeah, oh, it's great.

It's turning around. And then like literally the next round, it'll be like, ah, there's that takedown. There's that takedown that's stole the round. It's like, no, if we don't say that. You know, and I get it. And again, I'm basically I think it is really good at his job. And I think it's just, you know, you get, you know,

you're used to calling things a certain way. It's with everyone. It's going to take a lot. I'm sure we do it sometimes too. It's going to take a long time for everyone kind of really, we think we had a question on between the links earlier this week about like, Do we feel like, or on the A side, do we feel like, you know, people are getting more educated about judging and getting a better understanding of why fights are scored the way they are. And I think, yes, I think it is turning in that direction.

But, but we've, again, we've been sort of, we've learned it one way for so long. I think it'll take a while. But I think it's overall, judging is getting better, how it's talked about on the broadcast is getting better. I think fans are getting better about it. So kudos all around, everyone. Good job. Yeah. I think the one real question I have with the judging is like what constitutes a 10-8 round and like what constitutes a 10-7 round because I understand why people will argue the fact that Michael Chandler got a 10-8 round against Charles Olivera.

I did not agree with that. But if you did agree with that, I'm not like against you for it. But how do you grade on the same scale a Michael Chandler 10-8 round against Charles Olivera and compare it to say, like Glover Tashara against Anthony Smith, where he just beat the brakes off of him for the entire round, knocked his teeth out, it just beat him up the whole round, and it's the same. You know what I mean? Like, how is Chandler's a 108, but Glovers is not a 107? Because that was way more dominant than Chandler's round.

Well, we say that all the time for 10-9 rounds. You know, when someone gets one extra jab or one extra, I held you against the pins for 10 more seconds, and that's a 10-9. but then realm four of this fight was also a 10-9 and we saw Garber and get outstruck by like 2,000 significant strikes. So, I mean, there's each 10-9s and 10-8s both have incredibly wide margins. Yeah, it's just crazy. Like, boxing is just, the 10-point must system is just stupid in MMA.

It's easy in boxing. Like, knockdowns is 10-8, two knock-downs, it's 10-7. Like, we know what's going to happen. M-M-A, we just have no idea. AK, I mean, I know we have other fights to talk about, But isn't there some other scoring system in another sport that's better for this? Hold on. First of all, I'll say, Mike said it, that the correct answer to this question is,

how do you differentiate from a 108 from a 107? It's like, you shouldn't have to. The boxing scoring system sucks, and it shouldn't be used in MMA. It just doesn't, it just, there's too many ways in which it doesn't fit. And that's why we get such weird controversy sometimes in addition to other reasons. But no, in Casey, if you're suggesting we go at the gymnastics scoring system, no, that would not apply not apply here

that's more for evaluating cars but that certainly wouldn't work here Jose I don't know Jose what do you think I don't know Jose what do you think I don't really care about scoring as long as the main they get the right winner

that's like if you want to argue 5 nothing versus 3 to 2 that's fine as long as the right winner gets the second half of their paycheck that is what I'm in favor of So whatever gets you there. I like pride where they just say this guy won, this guy won, this guy won.

One championship does the same thing. But I also do just because from growing up watching Westernized sports, I understand people like to score by round. So you can say three to two rather than this guy won the whole fight. I understand American audiences probably aren't trained for that. I also just like, I enjoy how Japanese MMA does that. It's kind of a nice change of pace. So it's like watching two different products.

So if it's all the same regardless if Japanese MMA, like one championship in Risen, adapts the UFC's model or the American model or if UFC adapts the Japanese model, I don't want that. I like them both being different because it kind of separates themselves from the rest of the pack. But I am just more in favor of educated judges and at least picking the right winner. If Rob Fon is upset about it, I think he's the only one that has the right to be. upset about it, but he won. So, end of the day, right man won.

Okay, we have our bonuses. There's a cool graphic going up on en-mafighting.com, so don't ask me. I already made it. All right, so AK probably has already seen it. Casey, you guess, because you probably haven't seen him yet. Fight of the night. Wait, are there performance bonuses or is there a fight-in-night? There's fight of the night and two.

Yep, okay, fight-in-night. Okay, performance, Carla, has to be Carla. Yep. And what? Carly. Oh, she's one. No, she's one. Okay, sorry.

What? And the other one. Oh, wait, I know this one. Uh, uh, Bruno Silva. Correct. Yeah. And, uh, fighting night. Uh, oh, um, uh, Jared and Justin.

Correct. Yeah. Yeah. These are, these are easy. These are easy. These are easy. The ones that they got it right. They never get it right.

Congratulations, UFC. Maybe 50,000? Probably 50,000? Bruno, 70,000 asked, he had right on a sign and act for a national streaming television for, please give me 75K. Will punch men for money. Oh, my goodness. That was, that was a hell of a knockoff. Poor Victor Rodriguez, just getting in there and getting a highlight real, two fights in a row.

Poor bloody elbows at Victor Rodriguez. Not doing so well in the octagon. Yeah, I can't remember from message you, Mike. I mentioned the whole group of us. Oh, yeah, I mentioned everyone. I said he's at two fights in the UFC so far, two first round knockouts, a total octagon time of three minutes and 46 seconds.

So it might be time for a picture to go back to the regional scene for some more seasoning. I think you're right. It's the Nissan Black Friday event where you can, wait, wait, Isn't it like a month long now? Nissan Blackfri-Mondth? Does that work? It's the Nissan Blackfri-Mondh event. On remaining 2025 Rogan Centra, get 0% financing.

Plus, get $1,000 Nissan bonus on Kix models. This Black Friday, you've got a whole month to catch all the exclusive offers waiting for you. See your local Nissan dealer or nissan.ca for details. Conditions apply. Let us talk about Carlos Sparza, who got herself a bonus tonight. that was some performance. I mean, she, this fight was not competitive for even a second. Asparza just goes in there and just, as Jed Mishu likes say on between the links,

put the wood to Jan Jaunan. She gets the win, gets her first finish since winning the title against Rosamai Yuniz, which is crazy to think about, but that was exactly what she needed. And we were wondering how Dana White was going to react to this whole thing. and as expected, Carla Sparza is the Al Jermaine Sterling of the Women's Strawaway Division. He is not ready to declare Carla Aspaza

the number one contender. He is torn between doing a fight with Carla or doing the rematch of John Wei Lee. He is, quote, unquote, undecided. This is a travesty. Come on. I went in, in the Q&A, the preview show, I said, if Carla just goes, just destroys Yan,

that's the only way. she can get a title shot and she absolutely did everything she needed to do tonight. It was an it was a perfect performance. I don't think she even got touched. Oh man. They hate Carla. They hate Carla. It's so ridiculous. Because you know what? Carla might beat Rose.

I was like Carla might beat Rose. I don't know. The Carla that showed up tonight that woman can beat Rose Domino's in the rematch. I would agree with you. That was some performance. A.K. What did you think? That's exactly what you want in the number one. Like I know, again, they didn't hype it up as a number of contenders fight,

but a lot of us were looking at it that way. And that's exactly what you want is our biggest fear. We're like, oh, my gosh, like this is going to end in a draw. It's going to go to a controversial split. You know, kind of an unsatisfactory way, which would open the door to a Zhang Wei rosary match. But then, but we were very clear in stating if one of them blows the doors off the other, how can you not make the number one contender?

Both have a story going into it. both have lengthy win streaks. So this is exactly what they wanted. They have a fighter with a story, someone who already has a win over the current champion, a dominant win over the current champion for many years ago, but a dominant win nevertheless. And she just made the other top contender look foolish.

You look foolish. So how much more can you want? I understand the appeal of the Zhang rematch, but that can always happen down the road. I don't understand why you would do an immediate rematch of that, as opposed to doing this rematch that's been built. built up over frigging years between Asparza and Navajunas. I think Casey kind of has it right.

We need we need Rosamai Yunus to come out and be like, Carla, you took everything I work for, MFer. I want to fight your F and ass. Let's go. That's what Carla should have done. I wanted her. She kind of did it, but Carter can't drop a promo. I mean, that's not on her.

She's a great fighter. That's not part of the job. Don't ask Dana. Don't ask Dana to do it. for you. She's not going to do it for you. Don't ask Dana. Ask Rose. Let's go. She should have just been like she should have been like if

when Paul Felder was like, do you think you deserve the title shot? She's like, that's a dumb question. I am getting the title shot. That's what she should have said. I can't. Paul Felder. Paul Felder, good thing you retired because that's a dumb question. Exactly. Yeah, she should have Zingham.

You got to see you. And then you're right. She should have retired from broadcasting too. Broadcasting. She retires him That's what she should have done But it's also weird that Carla and well Carla and

Wayley have the same manager So everyone's cheaper I guess Who's managed? Oh that would have been so good They all don't they all have the same manager All three All three This is the same situation we had before they made the Rose Wayley fight I don't get it

Rose versus Carla two Championship fight Co-main event or a fight night Right before or afterward Yowna versus Wei Lee rematch. The winner of that is the winner of that.

It's right there. It's right there. It's right there. It's right there. Put it together. Sign the paper. And then Dana said they're doing they're doing McKenzie Dern

versus Marina Rodriguez sometime this year. We don't know when, but that seems to be the direction for those two ladies. So there you go. Now we got the rest of this division kind of like working itself out.

Is the U.S. Is Dana just deathly scared that Carla Sparsam might be the strawweight champion? I really think that they're just incredibly worried that Carter could be the champ. Carla would be the first female to regain the belt. No. Carly needs. Rose.

Rose did it. You're right. You're right. Carl needs to like turn heel. She needs to like go to the Cheyenne Bay's Macy Barber sort of school and just kind of play that role just a little bit. Diane Bays and Macy Barber can't do it well either. They're just kind of awkward about it. But they create,

but Macy at least creates interest in traffic. Yeah, and at least, but Carla is at least calling out fighters that would have be a good fight. Macy's just calling out fighters that. Macy's just calling out fighters that will draw eyeballs, which is fine because you're a prize fighter, so get paid. But Carla's like,

yo, I want to fight for the, give me that belt, Paul Felder. F out of my screen. That's what she should have done. Yeah. Don't ask Dana. Yeah. Call out a fighter,

not call out Dana to make the fight for you. Come on. But other than that, it's great before. Paul Felder has the same manager too. So it's hilarious how everyone's just in this, in this scenario, we're all managed by the same guy.

MMA. I just MMA. Now I just think all these, all these horrible things that Carla should have said to Paul Felder. Oh, it was so funny. My name's not cookie monster. My name's Paul Felder sucks.

Come to Wikipedia. Change your nickname. Paula, shut up, Paul Felder, Sparza. Shut up, Paul Feller. Dropping it doesn't matter on him. Oh, man, all of the rock in the 90s. So great win for her. That was some performance.

Jared Van Derren and Justin Taffa. Well-deserved fight of the night. That was in battle. Congrats to them. I was giving them a lot of guff because I wanted that to be Rothwell-Barnett. still feel like it should have been Rothwell Burnett, by the way. But they did show, they did show up.

That was a really fun fight. And good for them that they got to be on the ESPN plus main card, as opposed to the ESPN plus preliminaries. Big difference. When Barnett started walking to the octagon, I was like, oh, this is not going to be good. Just because, like, he wasn't himself. He was trying to be, like, corporate Chris Barnett.

I was like, come on, man, where's the dancing and the craziness? And they even said, they said in the broadcast, like, Chris wants to make sure that he's all business. business in there. I'm like, that's, that's not who we want to see. We want to see the crazy. We want to see the big boy. That's what we want to see. We want to see that guy. He threw a spin kick. We did throw a spin kick. He did throw a spin kick. You know what? I guarantee what happens. If he went in there and had fun, then he lost the fight, then he would get the whole Michelle Pereira type. He's like, you got to take it more serious.

Stop flipping around and dancing and fight matter. You know, it's like, MMA fans and and dude, Bisbing's one of the worst one is at this. They hate fun. They just don't like fun. fell into that trap of not having fun. You just got to have fun, man. I'm not telling him, I'm not telling him to take a 17-minute walk to the octagon. Just, you know, two-minute walk. Like, Raphael Elvis?

A foul. Alviz who was dancing and crazy. That, I swear that he took at least like two and a half, two to come down. And God bless him, you know, God bless him. God bless him, absolutely. So great, great heavy way, that was good time. Norma Dumont gets a victory via split decision

against Felicia Spencer, I will admit I did not watch past the first round of that fight. I don't think that was a split decision, but I think is what it is again. Right person won, I think. I think the right person. Yeah, good win for her. That was the fight I came in saying that fight was ridiculous odds. I thought that Felicia Spencer was like the easiest lock

of the night. And I thought Felicia Spencer looked horrible to be honest. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So like... Remember when A.K. She just kept throwing the same combo over and over and over and Dumont just would like I alright this is for the thousandth time

I'm just going to avoid this and then like Steve kick you in the stomach yeah like Felicia Spencer I've watched her many of her invictive fights I was excited when she came to the UFC but she hasn't improved at all and that's kind of I kind of disappointment do you remember

Casey and AK you you were there in Edmonton when she did the open workout and she was like in passing past Petruzelli I can't remember who I turned to it might have been Casey or might have been Oscar I was like She's literally just been throwing the same combo for 10 minutes. That was the open workout. And that's pretty much what happened in this fight.

Like she's an awesome person, but yeah, hasn't improved much. Yeah, just, yeah, it's very, she's very frustrating to watch. That's all. I really enjoy the Ricardo Ramos, Bill Algeo fight. That was a lot of fun. Good win for Ricardo. Jack Hermanson, Edmund Chabazzian. Talk about a tale of two fights.

Shabazian looked like the best middle way in the world for the first five minutes of that fight. And then Hermansa just got angry and got mad and that whole fight just changed. It's just being a veteran makes a big difference. 100%. Yeah. Yeah, it's it. And people are saying, oh, it's scary. It looks like Shabazzian has like poor cardio at age 23.

I bet he doesn't have poor cardio. It's because he has poor grappling. So, I mean, obviously he's wasting a lot more energy. on just even on defense than like again I'm more experienced more more technical grappler would right I'm not a jujit jujitsu expert

but I think this is just common sense that like when you're when you're better at something you waste less energy doing it so he's not a great grappler Manson is a very good and aggressive like he's a bully like I mean that's a guy he's going to wear down more experienced guys than than Shabazian

and if yeah and if you're like Shabazian you really don't know how to get up properly or defend properly that that gas tank on the ground. So I don't know if this is a huge cardio problem. Two years ago. Like two years ago on our site, someone wrote an article. It might have been our former colleague, Sean or Mark, they interviewed Kayla Harrison.

And she's like, I can go to do a judo workout for three hours and be fine. And then a 30 minute and may workout. I'm exhausted. So yeah, you're 100% on that. And that comes to what Jose said. It's experience. And Jack, win or lose. he's just had much more high-level experience.

Win and losses, and losses are important too. And yeah, when Shabazian, I don't want to say old, I'm going to call it Jack Manson old, but Shabazian doesn't have that old man strength, that old man cardio, that just that you need in this sport and the durability.

Man, but, yeah, tough fight for Shabazian, great fight for Hermanson. Yeah. Ben Rothwell is the Go-Go-Go-Joke. We're going to Shabazzian. I can't, I, I, I just forgot how young he is. 23. 23.

That's just, I, that's got to be remembered. He's 23 years old. And just to have to acquire all those MMA skills and still only be 23, man, you got, you got to, you have to super slow roll him now. Now, okay, the whole, you know, youngest champion ever or whatever, that thing, okay, that's not happening. Now it's just, you got to think, you got to think the long game, you know, you got it, you can't, you can't have a guy of Shabazzian and get knocked out. his next fight. And at 24 years old, his professional

MMA career is pretty much over. So his next fight. Then he's in the Dominic Ray's category where you lose like three in a row and you're effed. I'll tell you what, though. I really want to see Jack Hermanson versus Luke Rockhold. It's Lou Rockhold comes back. I love it. I love it. I only say that because Brandon Allen called out Jacker Manson on Twitter. There's a fun graphic on MMA fighting's Instagram. He's like, I want to

fight Jackermanson for the to show who has the best ground and pound in the UFC and Luke Rockhold's like, don't be a fool kid or something like that in our comment section and Brennan's like, you know where I'm at, you can get this. I'm like, honestly, I want to see Jacker Manson versus

Rockhold. Also, Luke Rockhold and Brennan trained at Sanford, M.A. So I don't know how that would work. Or no, does Rockhold, is that Rooka a lot too, right, with Jason Perillo? So maybe he like splits time. He splits time. Yeah, he splits time. but regardless of that interaction right there i don't think brown allen should get rockholder hermanson yet

remanson rock old sounds fun especially if rockold is saying that everyone's ducking him and as hermanson said the only person ranked above him that's not matched up right now is Robert whittaker i don't think that fight's going to happen because robert wittaker's going to fight izzie vittory or if he gets the trilogy whatever um rockold hermanson sounds fun to me that's like a fun uh grappler's dream right there yeah that's a Awesome scrap. That's good for Rockhold, too, not to face a really heavy hand, a heavy hanker. Obviously, Hermansic can knock him out.

But, you know, I mean, I think there's primarily a grappling heavy fight, and I think that'll be good for both fighters. I understand that Chabazian's on a two-fight skid, but I wouldn't mind seeing Shabazian versus Luke Rockold, if we're being honest. Because I think that fight would play out a lot on the feet. I agree. I would like maybe Edmund versus Hinesh or Jocko, maybe, like a little outside of the top 15.

Jocco's probably Jocco's a good pick. Those are just fun fights. Yeah. Or like, I also don't want to throw them to like a line. I don't mean, no.

Yeah. Guys like, Eric Anders would be fun. Even farther back. I'm talking, for me, for if I'm Shabazian's, you know,

people, you know, we go back at the line. I don't know how the UFC wants to handle that. But like, like I said, he's giving like, give him like,

call Roberson. Whoever, that's even farther back. Yeah. For me, for me, for me, even farther back.

I'm kind of a case. I think I didn't work. You know, yeah. If they matched him up with like a Condender series debut next time, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, like,

oh, man, that's way too. I'm like, no, let's recalibrate here. Let's recalibrate here. Obviously, I think he's a step above that.

But let's, you know, again, we, we, I feel like we've lost track of what range he is in. So, again, I'm pulling him way,

way, way, way back. But again, I'm also, people know, I'm super cautious with matchmaking. I'm like, I want a slow roll pretty much like everybody. So keep that in mind.

But yeah, I'm going way down. And as everyone knows, Mike, you and I will have a more definitive answer. I don't know if we'll mention Edmund. We usually only pick the winners. But we might throw a note in there for Edmund, just so that people know what we're thinking. But yeah, I'm going like outside the top 25 at this point. Yeah. Ben Rothwell, good submission win.

Go, go, go choke. Cort McGee, nice performance against Claudio Silva. Bruno Silva, performance of the night, K.O. in one minute flat. Josh Kulabal gets his first UFC win. David Devorak treated Juan Camillo, Honderos, accordingly. Lived up to the odds.

First round, rear naked choke. Mission of one arm rear naked choke. That was pretty nasty. And then Demir Izma Gulov, with a good win over Haffiel Alves. So that was the festivities. Where do the peeps have to say? All right.

Go ahead of the peeps. shout us to Alves for the breakdance fighting getting out of getting out of one that was cool ground switch that was insane

what the hell was that that was nuts that was amazing does Carla get a title shot now she's won five in a row doesn't take a rocket scientist to the tough finale have Rose versus Carla

too is the main event I think Rose is kind of a paper view draw I wouldn't hate this idea but I think Rose is they feel like Rose is Rose is like a good Co-main event

fighter Like if they threw it on the Co-main event They threw on the co-main event of MSG in November I think that would be a fun time Yeah Rose But that should be the fight

Go ahead Oh yeah yeah I'm sorry going back more Like how big a fight it could be Rose versus Carter 2 Should be With the rivalry And how awesome

female straw weights are it should be a main event on pay-per-view but unfortunately the UFC just hasn't promoted Carla really over the years since she's off the belt so yeah I kind of I agree it should probably wind up being a co-main event just because the the rivalry it really isn't built in with the fan base over the years but I think for people like in who've really been watching and paying attention to their careers yeah super excited for that rematch and I just got out now the more the more I've been thinking about it I'm like I want that fight now it's a perfect You know what you put on the top alley, the Ocecheck,

Zhang Li rematch as an event. Yeah. There you go. And those usually lead into a pay-review like the week before, too, so, you know. I have a feeling that isn't the tough finale going to be in an empty arena, though, the empty apex? Like, I don't want to see Yo-on and Wayley on an empty arena. Yeah, that would suck.

That would suck. Yeah, we can't have that. Let's see. Roy, I won't even take that. She says she's only going to fight with fans. It's going to be in Glendale. going back to Glendale Oh, sweet, sweet Glendale

I want to hate it Yeah By the way, I'm hearing August 21st for the tough finale Although that's not made official That's just what I'm hearing right now Jackermanson beat Edmundsia And I know he's ranked number seven

Is he in a position where fights have to play out Before he can match I think Jack sort of said it himself Like he said He was pretty honest with his assessment He said the only guy that's You know, like Jose said The only guy that's ranked above me

That doesn't have anybody is Rob Whitaker and if he doesn't want to wait for the title shot, sure, I'll fight him. But then he mentioned the other two fights, the Brunson-Cill fight, and the Costa-Canon-Air fight. He said, I'll take the winner of the loser of either of those two fights.

That's fine with me, too. So I think he does have to kind of wait and see how things play out. But you also got Rockhold. You got Calvin Gasolam out there. So, I mean, I know they just fought. You already get Gasolm. Forget Gasolm.

I got to stop reading the Twitter on in the next one of the suggestions. that's like one of the more that's like his most impressive win like lately that was like what sub minute heel hook or something like that yeah i like he's he's already matched up with if he if till loses i wouldn't hate that because he already he was already matched up with till once right and then it fell apart and then vittory kind of stepped in for till and that's how vittori got into this position so i wouldn't hate that either yeah there's a lot of fun middle-weight fight stuff to happen but i feel like we've been saying that forever it's fun division all right what else More importantly. Show some love to Jackermances's hair. I'm telling you, man. I think the UFC, I'm not saying that Jackramanson is like, because like Wonderboy, people, everyone loves Wonderboy.

He's like universally loved by 95% of the people. But I think why people like him so much is he's like such a positive guy. And like parents are just like, if my kids had like a Wonderboy t-shirt or something, like we'd be like, yeah, I'm down for that. And I feel like Hermanson is like not quite on the same level, but he's very similar to Wonderboy. We're like, if you interview Jack Hermanson, the man has a smile on his face the entire time. He's like just the nicest guy to speak with. But then when he gets in that cage and that door locks, you can just see the skull in his face.

Just a different guy. So it let and I even tweeted this out. If my kid came out to me, he goes, Daddy, you know who my favorite fighter is? Jack Hermanson. I'd high five him. That's a great pick, son. That's a great pick. How old is your son?

Eight. I'd be like, why do you know who Jack Hermanson is? You're eight years old. This sounds like one of those fake tweets that people write, like, can't believe my five-year-old today said that, man, those UFC furniture really unionized. I was so proud. Is this what just happened there, Mike? Dude, it's so, it was funny the other day because, like, he does guitar lessons,

and his guitar teacher will, like, email me the Zoom link on, like, my old, like, freelance email account, which is like where my old YouTube page was when I was doing interviews before I signed out of the M.A. fighting. So like the other day I'm just like getting stuff ready for an interview and I hear my kid just go, ooh! And I like look over at his computer and he's watching the replay of Jorge Mazadol

flying me being Van Askeran. I'm like, what are you watching? Are you kidding me right now? He goes on YouTube and he's like logged onto my account and I probably watched that highlight a million times. And then tears in his eyes, he shouted at you. I learned it from you. It's like the old. Yeah.

That's an old reference. You know what? People, a lot of people are not going to get that, but that's, that's incredible. Boy, anti-anti-wee commercials back in the day. I learned it from you. Okay. Enough of these anti-drug commercials. Jackmanson's hair.

Tremant's. He's apparently part of the Chase Hooper. He has hair. He has hair. Is the beard? The beard is. The beard's new too, right? Was that new?

Everything? The whole... I think so. He's not even pretty clean. Like, pretty clean, clean everything. Derek Lewis hates. He's now on the Derek,

Derek Lewis shitless, unfortunately. I know we kind of talked about this, but, you know, I'm seeing comments like this a lot. Edmund's kind of been exposed. If you can get him out of the first round, he's very beatable. I don't think it's anything about,

I don't think it's about the first round. I just think it's more about like, he fought a really good grappler, who's just a better grappler. That's pretty much it. I don't think the rounds are anything. I mean, but think about you, he fought Derek Brunson in a main event,

he gets his butt kicked by Derek Brunson, which is, you know, Derek Brunson is an A-level middleweight. So they give him someone maybe like, what, just 5% less better than Derek Brinson. I don't know. Jack or Manson's on his best day as good as Derek Brunson is.

So, like, it's not like they gave him a, And it's a step back. It was almost, it was almost, you know, a lateral step, you know. So, yeah, I just, it's, he's not been exposed. He's just, he's 23. That's what happened. We, we, we got, we got reminded of his age. And I think, and that's all.

And Jack Hermanson is very good. Yeah. And people forgot, yeah, yeah, you almost forgot type of thing, Porramanson. Yeah, he's just excellent making adjustments. Tremendous in making adjustments. trying to see what people are saying in the comments here. So this is probably been talked about where does Cody Garbranco from here? I don't think we're going to talk about Cody on to the next one.

I just don't see it happening just because it's not a pay-review. Six winners. Okay, fair enough. Yeah, sure. Might not make it. I think we can answer that question right now. Sure, sure. I feel maybe throw him to Marab.

Oh. What do we just? Rob's going to. fight somebody in the top 10. He's got it. I know. Or, you know, something crazy might happen. Like, Marab just isn't as good of a striker and he just loses. It's not like we're putting Cody Garbrand head first into a wood chipper.

Like, if that's the case, why Algebra Bates throw in the champion? Just give it to Marab. Yeah, Marab, Marab's not a 2-0 fighter. Like, Marab is ready for a sink or swim type of scenario at this point. Like, he's literally fought like the same ranked sort of guys. Like his last three fights, like 13, 14 range. Let's just throw him in there with somebody. I think that's a good idea.

You can do Cody versus Marl Marius if you wanted to. Cody versus Casey Canney. I think it would be a fun scrap, both coming off losses. Casey lost to Cruz, Garbrandt beat Cruz. I think that's just a fun fight, three-round fight. Chuck D.L.C. in the comments was asking, is Dominic Cruz, do you think he's thinking that he can beat Cody in a rematch? Should they try and book that?

do you think Cruz would want to do that like do you think he would want that fight right even though he's coming off a win do you think he'd want to be that fight now that's interesting that's I would be down for that you could that's interesting but do you think I mean

yeah I think Cruz yeah I think Cruz would want that one back I don't think Cruz sees that as a matchup that he can't win no no that's for a moment I was like what do you want to fight Cody again like yeah this is another five rat like again a fight night main event you probably be down for that what do you guys think about flyweight I mean now I feel like he goes down, you cannot give him an immediate title shot.

No, you should be giving it to him anyway. I know, he shouldn't have gotten one the first time. And I'm saying the fact that it even happened, I was like, I hope they're not thinking that they can do that now, because completely out of the question. But if he can comfortably make 125, yeah, maybe that's the move next. You know, the old change of the vision rejuvenation. Yeah, and he ain't going to get an easy test down there either.

I mean, just look at what do you get, I mean, just look at what's there. You get the rematching Brandon Moreno and Figgi. You got Asker-A-Scaroff that's like right there waiting for a title shot of his own. I think he missed weight in his last fight, so that might hinder him. So maybe you can do Gar-Ber-R-Ber versus Ascaroff? That ain't no cup of tea at all. If Cody can make it to flyweight healthy, and by the looks of tonight, I mean, I know font's just a skinnier person. And so the body frames are all different.

But, like, Cody looks like a small bantam weight all of a sudden. You know, I don't know. Maybe it was just, maybe when you're losing, you just seem smaller. I don't know if it's just a psychological thing. But he kind of looked like a small bantam weight. So if he can make flyweight successfully, yeah, Ascar Ascarov is a great fight. Actually, I was thinking Cody versus, I forgot his name, but the gentleman that beat Manel Cape.

Pantosia. Pantosia is awesome fight, too. He's fighting Brandon, he's fighting, He's spreading Brandon Roy. No, the guy lost the metal Cape just recently. Oh, Nicolao? Nicolao, yeah. I mean, I'm just saying.

Why not, like, give him Tim Elliott. Let's just throw him in there with Tim Elliott. Yeah, if Tim wins his next fight. I'm saying, Nikola is coming off a Cape win, you know. That's a fun fight. Yeah. Tim Elliott's a mad man. Either way.

But basically, I think this question really is Cody Dunn has a, elite bantamweight. I don't think he is. I think he just lost to a better guy tonight. I don't know. I mean, I would, as a top five bantam weight,

no, as an elite, like, fight for the belt in the next two years kind of bannam weight. No, I don't,

I don't think it just feels like literally anyone in the top five of Bannam weight could just beat all the others at any given point. Like, I don't think there's one Bannamweight that's like, that is the best band of weight on planet Earth in the UFC.

It's so competitive. I agree. Because if Fawn and Garbrandt ran it back 10 times, and you want to argue that Garbrandt wins three or four of them? I'm like, yeah, probably. I don't think Fawn beats Cody 10 times in a row. Like Sanhagen's obviously terrifying. Like Dillishaw is not even,

if you look at the rankings, Dillishaw is not even there because it's coming off his suspension. It's like everyone drops down one once he gets slotted back in the number one. Sweet. Yeah, I mean, Vanham White just rolls. It just rules. So good. The best Batman Way in the world might even be in the top 15 yet.

That's what's so crazy about Vanham White. I think Cody is done as a contender as a top five guy. I think, again, with all the names who said they're like coming up hot from like outside the top 10. I think he's, I think the division change might be the way to go if he can do it. Yeah, if he can do it. Yeah. How old is he right now? Is he even 30 yet?

This is what I would talk about, too. Yeah. 29, I think. 29. So, like, he, and like, okay, this is important to, I mean, if his body can hold up and his chin seems to still be there, that's why I haven't given up at Cody at Bantamweight yet. As far as, obviously, he's still, he went five rounds with Rob Fond. Rob Fon is without a doubt, no, in the UFC at least, top three bantam weights, top four bantam weights. Just because you lose the Raffont doesn't mean Cody's done.

And at his age, I just hope his chin stays there, hope his body can know, because he's been, he's been doing some work. hope his body can't handle all this. But yeah, I just don't want to see big weight cuts. Like, like, Cody trains with team alpha male, who has not had the best track record as of late, correct? Like, they haven't been blowing people out of the water. His best performance ever, his head coach was Justin Buckles. He hasn't had Justin since then, and look what's happened.

And then he trains with Mark Henry. And, like, Marlon Marys left Mark Henry because he felt like, like he needed to get better training with ATT. Like, Frank Edgar's obviously born and bred Mark Henry. He's never going to leave. But not like Mark Henry's team, like, Jim is like destroying people either. So like maybe it's just a change of scenery too. Maybe just needs like different training partners, different approach to the like to his fights.

I have no idea. But, uh, I still want to see him one 35 and I want to, I still want to see him fight Aldo. I still want to see him rematch Cruz. And eventually I want to see him fight sugar Sean because those guys have hate each other anyway. Yeah. That, you know what? That's probably.

If O'Malley beats Louis Smolka, that might be the fight to make. You do O'Malley versus Garbrand. I forgot about that. That's exactly the fights make. Do it. There you go. There's your answer. See, that's why we pay Jose the big bucks.

That's why we do it. I think I did this. What if, what if, what if, what if TJ loses badly to San Hagen? And all of a sudden Garbrand's like, I'm 0 and 2 against you on drugs. I want a third fight with you clean. Like, I'm not going to say no to that either because those are just fun fights. Well, do I favor Cody? No.

but I think those are still fun fights to make. We got to see how TJ looks too. We have no idea. Exactly. 100%. TJ might look completely like might look. I'm not saying these individuals are. I'm not saying these individuals were, you know, on anything.

But like we just had this conversation with like after USADA joins, like how many fighters just look different, just fell off the map. So I have no idea if that's going to happen with TJ. But yeah, he might still be the best band of winning in the world. All right. Well, the UFC keep Duma at 45 will she move back to Bannonway? She already said she's moving on 35 if she could do it. Yeah, she got to. She has to.

She has to. I would say this is like, that's like a weird move, except for the fact that she told, it was on MAAFite.com, she told Gwee this week, she's like, I don't want to fight Amanda Nunez right now. I know everyone's saying like if she stays in 140, off, oh, she gets the Amanda Nunez fight, like either right away, probably whenever Amanda's, you know,

decides to fight at 145 again. But she doesn't want it. She's actually very pragmatic. She's like, I saw what happened to Felicia Spencer when she fought Amanda and she wasn't ready. And I don't want that to be me. So if everyone's running, yeah, why she's trying to take the longer road, she's doing that on purpose. She wants seasoning. She wants to fight, I guess, at a weight where she feels she'll be more competitive, even though the end goal will still be Amanda.

But she'll also get, again, she'll get to fight more that just aren't people on the 145-pound roster. She wants to fight. And at the end, now it's, if it's not Amanda at 145, it's like Danielle Wolfe or who else, who else, who else, who she replaced? Who am I forgetting? It was Wolf. She replaced Danielle Wolf, yeah. No, is there anyone else at 145? Farah Zairen.

Yes. You can do the Sean O'Saudi and just make names up. I was, that's ridiculous. Leah had some injuries. I think she's trying to come back right now. So, I mean, I guess she would do Leah. And I think she would come back at 135, though. I don't even think she would come back as a 145er.

I don't know if Leah can get to 135. You don't think so? I didn't think she was a big. I didn't think we're that big. Yeah, she's a big 45er, very muscular. But she hasn't fought since 2018. So like I said, we don't know when she's coming back. So I don't even know that's an option.

So yeah, she just wants to go to 135 because that's where the fights are. So I can't blame her. I hope she can make it. It sucks that she hasn't been able to hit it yet. but she missed weight she missed weight she missed weight yeah twice 139.5 and then 139.5 but that fight was canceled so she only fought once and both times but both times she had she tried to weigh in three and a half pounds over so not even close but she's in Vegas now um with john wood and in those guys that's in to get she's right near the PI so if she wants to make the mood of 35

the folks of the PI will help her. Just take some time and get your body right and come up with the plan and don't rush into the next fight. Just focus on starting a healthy cut to 135. Julian Arpena is also standing in the way. Right now, there's no guarantee Amanda Nunes wins that fight either. Yeah. Jose.

I'm sorry. Casey, do you see Tristan Gordet's question? No, I don't. Okay. It's on YouTube? about Felder? Oh, I got, well, hold on. That's the next question.

Geez, I figured maybe we might wrap up with that. Is it a question or what? Which ones? You're just trying to make him fight. Make him fight. I don't know. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.

Just two retirements from two UFC fighters this week. We can just talk about that. I'll tell you what. There's hats off to the UFC production squad for the two videos tonight. I thought the Joe Ban video was tremendous. I thought the Felder one was really good. I didn't see the Felder retirement coming.

I'm not like incredibly surprised that it's coming. That it happened and that we heard it. But I was surprised we heard it on this broadcast for sure. But good on him. Tremendous career, just a fun fighter. The guy exceeded expectations. I think he would even admit that. I think he got up to like number five or number six.

at 155 in the UFC which is like pretty unbelievable considering dude has a win over the champ he's the last person to beat Charles Olivera beat him on the ground

beat him on the ground yeah seven a few times with Charles yeah well yeah it's still impressive the dude just such a gamer fought Mike Perry up a weight class

on like two days notice fought hotfield dos anjos yeah except we no show the preview show in Denver I'll never forgive him Oh, the crush. It was me, Casey, and Esther were at Denver. And for the, we were at the official Wayans.

And I went up to fellow that was like, you want to do the preview show with? Because like, this is my first time on the road with Casey and Esther. I remember that now, yeah. And I was like, you ought to do it. And he was like, yeah, sure, man. Like, just let me know when it's over. And then it wrapped and he just disappeared. And then the next thing I know he's hitting pads in the other room.

Right next to us. And it was like, and I look in. He looks at me. He goes, oh, yeah, man. I'm already in workouts. gear. Now I'm just like, all right, have fun. And that's why if you go back and watch that, like, Esther was like a very

last minute feeling. Because every fighter that was around disappeared because then we thought, like, oh, could we get Tisha Torres to do it? Because Raquel Pattington is fighting, but Raquel Miss was like really struggling. So you're like, yeah, she has her hands full right now. There was just no one else around. So I was

like, Paul fell there. I shake my fist of you. But awesome career. I hope you enjoy it. But happy trails, nonetheless. Good luck. He was, I spent a lot of time I spent a lot of time around Paul on Fight Island

because we were stuck in hotel. So like him and, like Michael Keisa would just like hang out with the media bunch. So he's, and we just talked a lot, a lot about fighting, but a lot about like,

you know, like Philadelphia Eagles and like actual like non-MMA sports. He's interesting cat, man. And I hope if you, anyone runs into him, they get a fun conversation with him because he is a,

he's well-spoken on TV and off-screen. So, I met Paul Felder before he was in the UFC when he came down to Cowboys Ranch as a training partner I was actually at Cowboys BMF Ranch doing a video on Cowboy and then Felder was just

there as a training partner and he asked me to, he said can you shoot some of my training, some pad work and stuff and just so I can have it and I was like yeah whatever you know so I sent him footage and stuff and like I remember the guy it was just like I was like ooh this guy is mean on the pads had no idea if he was a good fighter or not

but I remember I remember And then the whole cowboy And then like maybe a couple months later The UFC signed him on a short-nosed fight Through Cowboys' Recommendation And rest of this history Decapitated Danica Stio Do you remember he was

He fought James Vic in the Coleman event Of the Phoenix card that you were at Casey And his whoever was holding Mitz for him I can't I don't know his name He had like those hammer mits You know the ones that were like Oh yeah yeah And he was doing this

And I just remember I'm like I have never seen anyone hit those kind of pads before and it just looked so fun but i just every time he punched it i wanted to make it i wanted to make a squeaky noise all times it looked awesome it was that was a good old workout he he was a fighter that put on awesome open workouts like he took it seriously he did um when he was in abdabab um for the open workout in abdabab i'm afterward he was just like oh my god that was exhausting like because he's one of those guys once he once he builds a crowd around him i mean he just he's he becomes like, you know, the Irish dragon, you know, like he's not Paul Felder.

Like, you can tell he's just, he's the guy that enjoys being in the spotlight. You know, he was a theater actor before. So he, that's just who he is. He likes it. He embraces it. And I know, great career. Get out while you can. Go out and a win.

Go out where you still got your good looks. Go out where you still have a really good job with the UFC. So, smart man. I also think, was it the first Barbosa fight in Chicago? He talked to the UFC into letting him. do an open workout. Like he wasn't on the docket. He's like, no, I'm he's like, I'm going to do that. And he's just like, and they

were like, oh, yeah, I'm not going to tell you no. Like, Sean O'Malley did the same thing. I'm like, I wish more fighters to do this. Like, Sean O'Malley just showed up and he's like, I'm working out. And the U.S. CPR was like, okay, have fun. Like, it was cool. I wish more people did that. Do you remember he showed up in his, Sean O'Malley in his weed robe? Yeah. Well, he was originally

he was going to, because I talked to USC security. Yeah. He was going to do it. He was going to do. it on you have you been to a fight in the mGM mic like i've never been to i've never been to Vegas ever wow that's another story so yeah so in the mdm they do the open workouts on like the floor like outside the casino but it's like people are like walking around and there's a balcony that comes in from like because you know in Vegas has a bunch of overwalks and there's a balcony that literally overlooks it so if you're a fan i would honestly rather watch the open workout from the balcony rather than like being crammed up and close

but Sean O'Malley showed up and he was going to do an open workout on the balcony and the UFC security was like Sean you can't can't just do you can't start hitting in the middle of a casino like just come down and do it with oh down here all right all right so didn't Esther get a great shot of him up there in the way yeah looking like a drug looking like a drug lord looking down absolutely not looking like a UFC fighter at all like looking like some shady Las Vegas

It was a weirdo. Facial hair. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, for anyone, that picture, I think, is circulated around a lot. So anyone who's seen that picture, that's, that's Estherlin special. There it is. Yeah, yeah, that's the one.

People have seen this picture. And again, if you would think it was like an actor, like in rehab or something. You know what I mean? He doesn't look like a, that is, that's something else. He just got that face tattoo that week, too. There you go. Because we were chatting before the, before the media, classic. Yeah, before media day, we were chat about tattoos.

And he's like, I'm like, What's most recent one? He goes, I got this one about 10 hours ago. And I was like, why are you, don't get tattoos to her fight week? Or do. Or do? I mean, you won, but you also broke your leg. So I guess that was a 10-8 for the Felder retirement.

We didn't talk about the Joban retirement at all. I'll just say, you know, he also had a pretty good career. I think it was derailed a lot by injuries. I think there's at least two pretty long stretches of at least either 18 months to like two years where Jeoban did get to fight. And he was, I mean, he made his debut in the UFC. He was already like, like 32, 33, I think. He made his debut against Seth Pazinski in UFC, Bangor.

Because I, because Seth Pizinski, Ryan Bader, in Bangor, Maine, Ryan Bader headlines out against OSP. And I was there to do like a behind the scenes work with Bader. Because this is when I was working for Arizona sports. So, like, I flew. My dad's from Maine. So my dad went to go see family. I went to the fight.

So I was doing a bunch of behind-the-scenes stuff with Bader. And Seth Bizzinski was obviously trading a power of MMA too. So it was like those two. So I was doing a lot of like, you know, like a lot of like fight week blogs and videos and stuff. And Seth Bizzinski was so confident against this newcomer Alan Joban. And I think they won't fight in the night,

if I remember correctly. But it was a first round stop. It was a four minute fight. And I still think that one fight of the night. That's a while that fight was. But yeah, uh, I'd never forgot Alan Jovan after that because,

Seth was going to win for sure because of how confident he was now, Joe, man, proved him wrong. Yeah. My Alan Joban memory is like when I go to this restaurant called Tinder Greens near here, there's the Equinox right next to it.

And outside Equinox was a giant poster of Alan Joban. Probably, yeah. I was like, you know, his glory. He was a modeling poster. Not a model. Like a model. He's in like, he's in like,

like Dior and like Ralph Lauren stuff with like the Hadid sisters. Yeah for like the with like the Hadid sisters who are more famous than any UFC fighter not names Connemkragut. Like so yeah,

Alan Jovanus has numerous opportunities outside of getting punched in the face. And he has a beautiful family. So all power to him getting paid and not he's doing brain damage. Yeah, he is doing just fine. Too good retirement. He just looks in the mirror and go,

I'm beautiful. Anytime he's down. I'm Alan. He definitely beat Dwight Grant, too. He'd definitely beat Dwight Grant. Oh, that was a close. I remember that. Oh, dude, yeah, that was,

might be going to talk about that. I think I've talked about that fight before. Yeah, I remember, I remember, because I was all, I was a big Belaw-Mohamed, like, believer when he was on the regional scene and in Titan FC, interviewed him a bunch.

So when he finally got the call of the UFC on short notice to fight Alan Joban, I was like, oh, man, this fight is going to be phenomenal. and not a lot of people knew like who Bola was at the time. And I was like, I'm telling you right now, this fight is going to be outrageous. And it was.

Those two guys got after it and beat that breaks off each other. It was such a good fight. I think the issue with Alan Joban is, and he's a fantastic fighter, but a lot of people, they just remember his losses. Because for a while, he was just losing either controversially or just violently.

Remember that snap takedown that Gunner Nelson got on him in London? like he heard him and Alan was like out on his feet and then Garne Nelson grabbed his neck and just like Tony Furguson like snapped him down and then choked him out and then he got smashed by Nico Price in the next fight in Mexico City but then he also got head kicked by

Albert Tuminoff if I remember correctly it was getting violently finished or pulling off dominant decision or K-O-win so but you can never say he was in a boring fight that much I could say that you can never say he's not a beautiful man you can never say that

That's a beautiful man. He's a beautiful man. And he's in fantastic fights all of the time. Except for that Dwight Grant fight, I don't think that was that good, but I still think he won. He beat Mike Perry, right? He was one of the first guys to beat Mike Perry.

Yeah, yeah. He's one of the first guys to be Mark Perry. And I remember the UFC is doing a lot more behind the scene stuff, like for the walkouts. And whoever ran UFC Social was standing with Alan Joe Ben behind the scenes. And they were playing the Mike Perry like, like, you know, when they show the guys talking about,

their opponents before the main card and like i think they were opening the main card or something and alan joban is literally pacing and huffing like he's literally like like just breathing really heavy just looking at mike perry like i'm gonna fuck this dude up and then he did it was i still remember that clip 10 out of 10 social media work ufc employee tremendous i don't know if you saw the tris and grodeck question uh case just asking is felder going to be a hall of famer uh yeah but he will because dana white likes him So they'll find some way to get them in there. It'll be as thankful for both his 9 and 6 UFC career and his broadcasting work and his work as an analyst.

And again, this will be down the road somewhere. You know, again, the U.C will find all kinds of ways to put guys into their Hall of Fame just to, you know, just to bulk it up. And people they like, give them a little hat tip. In four or five years, when the UFC holds their next event in Philadelphia, they'll announce it there. There you go. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It depends what city they're going to.

There's all kinds of reasons to put guys in the Hall of Fame. And Felder's, again, you can certainly do a lot worse than Paul Felder, given his accomplishments and, again, his good relationship with the UFC. He's a company man, and it's worked out very well for him and for them. Yes, and if you want to, uh, if you want to, like, sort of pay tribute to Paul Felder, go back and watch the super underappreciated fight with Dan Hooker from last year, because there are so many, like, ridiculous fights that happened, like, a month or two and, like, further on, because, like, Zhang Wei Lee and Yohanna was, like, two months later,

or, like, a month later. and then Porre Hoker happened like five months later. You know, the problem with that fight was crazy fight. The problem with Felder Hooker is like 30 minutes later, Tyson Fury knocked out Giante Wilder.

That is all anyone talking about. That's just unfortunate. Timing. Timing is everything. I watched that. It was the same car? It was the same night? Oh, you know.

I was the same night because it was like, I think even Bellator had a fight on Friday or something like that. And like this is before Savas had joined. I think this is before you joined Mike. So me, Casey and Esther did a post show and we were like Jose, why did you start working? I was like, and it was Sunday morning at this point

because of the boxing ended on Vegas time. And we're like, Jose, why did you start working? I was like, Wednesday and I haven't stopped. That was one of the longest weeks of my life because we still hadn't filled all the gaps on the social video team. So it was literally the three of us just be like,

uh, fights. I think that fight had it like a month before I started. Yep. One more question, Mr. Heck? All right. We'll do one more. One more, one more. Favorite moment of the weekend.

Oh. That's a good question. Oh, that's easy for me. I don't want to carve on it. The Hannah guy, the Hannah guy celebration wiggle. That was hilarious. That was great. That was great.

And I don't want people to hate. I don't know, I don't want people to hate on Valerie liver. hated too much. Don't hate on her. No. No, no, look. What I hate is people are going like, if people are going like, oh, why was she ranked so high and why was she, like, pushed so much?

I'm like, she doesn't control that. I mean, she's not fighting it, certainly. And she certainly does everything she can to promote herself. And that's great. I encourage that. If you don't like her because you don't think she's a good fighter, I mean, that's fine. That's whatever.

But to go beyond that and like harp on like, oh, she just tries too hard or being pushed. I'm like, no, we want that in fighters. We want fighters to promote themselves. As long as they're doing it. in a way that's not like hurting or offending anyone. Like, I don't understand why with the hate it's that. But anyway, but no, favorite moment. Yeah, Hannah Guy, again, whatever.

It's not, it wasn't a super elite fight, but she won. She won on the Belator main card. She won against, again, someone Belator has been pushing very hard and good for her. And like we said, she seemed to have a lot of fun with the post-fight interview as well. So it's always nice. You have those nice little moments. Who knows? Maybe we never hear anything big from Hannah-Gai again.

But on this given night, you know, she got to be a star. That's always really fun. Well said. I think my favorite moment is actually just watching Cyborg get the fight. I think she's in the, I don't want to say Twilight of a career, but she's been doing this for a long time. And anytime you get to watch Cyborg fight and a great fight and get to watch her evolve as a fighter, you get to see her compete against a super tough fighter and Leslie Smith, and you get to see the best Leslie Smith.

And they fought a great 24 minutes and 51 seconds or something like that. And yeah, so just seeing Cyborg fight is a great honor. I love watching our fight. I hate watching Chris Cyborg fight for the same reason I hate watching Amanda Nunes fight and it's the fact that we're never going to get the rematch and that infuriating. Like that's literally all I can think about. Like I obviously I agree with Casey like anytime cyborg fights,

that's much to watch television for me, even if I'm not watching it. But I'm just so annoyed the entire time. Like the same as Amanda. Like when Amanda Newnis fought fully. Spencer. I was like, please Spencer, I like you as a person a lot, but why do we not see Chris Seybork? I'm managing this too. I'll go

a little bit of a deeper cut. I'll go Syed Awads knockout win against Nate Andrews. Because one that was good scrap. Walk off. Walk off. He committed to the walkoff. He wanted that walkoff so bad. He tried to call it like multiple times

and then finally Dan Berglia. Dan Berglia was like, no, no, no, he's still no. No. No. He did. He did. He did. You get out of it. But good on him, man. I mean, just one of the good guys in the sport, one of the exciting guys in the sport. Yeah. That was a cool moment to see him kind of bounce back and get that kind of finish.

Nate Andrews is a really tough out. He's a guy that, I don't know, three years ago when he was fighting in the New England regional scene before he signed with the PFL, like everyone thought the UFC is going to pick him up because he was just rifling through everybody on the regional scene, especially in CES. He was headlining all the CES cards. on fight pass and just destroying everybody you fought and everyone thought the UFC was going to give him a shot and they never did and it's just one of those kind of questions like what if

what if he had got that shot like did it was him did Nate Andrews not getting to the UFC like just really hamper him because he thought he deserved it and was really let down by the whole situation and then he had some tough a little bit of a tough road in PFL but good side of a man good stuff that might have my favorite moment of the weekend

and I know we try to post the video but we had some audio issues but if you get chance watch sayed wads post-fight scrum he does backstage on maybe on belichor's media channel but um very very emotional you know he's being a palestinian uh background so yeah thank you thank for bringing that up i forgot by that fight mike that was great there we go all right i think we're done i think we have uh we've milked this card for all that it's worth but that is not true because we're going to talk more about it tomorrow, AK and I, on to the next one. Returns as we discuss matchmaking possibilities for the winners, a wild card, and we go to

the peeps, possibly a mic check, and maybe some check the tapes. I don't know, all that and more coming up on your podcast feeds sometime tomorrow. We got a message from BTL contestant, Matthew Wells. Thanks, Matthew. A.K., enjoy the rest of your 487th birthday. With that being said, we're out of here for A.K. For Casey, for Jose. I am Mike Heck.

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