MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 28 Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: June 6, 2021

With UFC Vegas 28 in the books, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Jose Youngs, Alexander K. Lee and E. Casey Leydon react to the top storylines following Saturday’s event at the APEX, including Jairzinho Rozenstruik’s first-round buzzer beater stoppage win over Augusto Sakai in the heavyweight headliner. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. All right, everybody. It is 9.58 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. UFC Vegas 28 has come to an end. And it ended with a ferocious knocko by Jarzini Rosenstrike, which is one second left in round one against Augustus Sukai. He is back on track. And we're here to react to this barn burner of an event,

is that we're going with here on this barn burner. of a post-fight show here on m-mafitting.com. We are live on YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook. Thank you for joining us. Hope you guys had a great evening thus far, and hope we can make it continue on in this realm. I am Mike Eck, joined by the whole crew. Got Jose Youngs in Arizona.

This fight was a table. We got Alex Klee. How would you describe this fight card, okay? It was 14 fights long. It had two heavyweight fights at the end of it. That's my description. That is my very accurate description of this card. You cannot dispute it.

And how would you describe it? E. Casey Liden on the ones and twos? Intriging. Intriguing. Oh. Well, there you have it. Intriguing it was. for a little while.

There were some moments where it was intriguing. There were some moments where it was not so intriguing. But the night ended in a big way. And the first round, the first like four minutes and 45 seconds of Jarzino Rosenstrike versus Augusta Sakai was pretty much what we expected. And then Jarzino just got mad and landed that one, two, the left hook, right hand. That was it. Sakai went down.

He was bleeding. And that was it. Jarzanian Rosa gets it done. He's back on track. Jose, what do you? Shout out to the small cage, though. That's the guy backed up and he ran into a wall. So, yeah, small cage.

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Small Cage. Mr. Small Cage, science. Science. Jose, your thoughts on Biggie Boys, bounce back, rebound performance. Well, if we're talking about science, it's obviously the crystal brought him to victory. No, but actually that was. I was going to say seriously, but I was serious right this.

What am I even talking about? Anyway, it lasted quicker than I thought. I think I picked a third round knockout, TKO, whatever, or some sort of stoppage just based on Augustus Kai's last fighting against Overim where he looked really good for about two, three minutes, and then Overreem just veteranship just kind of took over and he pieced him up en route to, I can't even remember what Round he finished, but it wasn't in the first round, obviously, to my recollection.

And then we've seen Giarsino have slow stars against Overim. We saw him have a very slow fight against Cyril Gahn. But then we've also seen him have these just like like sprint performances like he did against Arlowski, JDS. Who's the individually knocked out in about nine seconds? I can't even, Alan Crowder, if I remember correctly. So I didn't know what to expect. I was based on Augusta's previous performances and Giozino's most recent performance against Cyril Ghan. I thought it was going to be, you know, Augusto kind of blows his gas tank early and then

Rosenstrike kind of takes advantage and finishes in the third. But another, I don't know, Adam Bomb with one second to go. I think that's kind of a specialty right now. I'm going to save some, because I did Twitter React for the site. And I think there's a fun matchup that doesn't make sense ranking-wise, but there's a certain heavyweight that had some negative things to say about Jaze's, Rose and Stregg's performance. So yeah, I'll save that for fantasy matchmaking. But yeah, awesome win for Giazino and sucks to be Augusto Sakaga and knocked dead in another country.

Now you have to fly all the way back home and you're probably falling outside the top 10. I'm going to maintain a semblance of professionalism here after watching the New York Islanders score their third goal. So the Bruins are out of this game tonight. It is now two to two going into game five. I'm going to forget about all that. I blame Brian Keller. I blame Brian Keller. I was going to like text him and talk a bunch of crap tonight, but I just, now I'm not going to do that because it's now it's two to two.

Fun series, by the way, if you're a hockey fan. But, AK, your thoughts. What did you think of Jarzini's performance tonight? It's exactly what we expected. We know he's a patient guy, counterfighter. You know, the reason he lost the city of gone fight is, I mean, a bunch of reasons. There's a bit of an athleticism gap. Cedilagan is also a really technical fighter.

And that fight also kind of went as we expected. We were all kind of like, oh, like it's a good matchup, but it could be a bit of a staring contest, a bit of a spar. And that's how that turned out. This would have gone a similar way, if not for that late knockout. Because I was doing the right smart thing. I'm circling. I'm circling.

I'm poking away with leg kicks. And hopefully I can get him to come in and I'll counter. and Rosenstrike is similar in that sense as well he's like, well, I'm waiting for an opening to counter and he's just found his opening first. You know, he found his only first. That's his gift. He has that ability, as we said earlier.

He can both finish in the first like 10 seconds, but also he can wait for that right moment as he did in this one. And as he kind of did in the Overeign fight, I know that wasn't his best, certainly was not his best day, but obviously he did enough to officially get the win and really mess up Oroom's face

in the last few seconds. So yeah, look, he is who we think he is. Should this change anyone's perception of him as far as like, oh, well, now I really believe he can be, you know, he can be a real title contender. I don't know. It was a good performance. But as we were kind of, you know, previewing the show,

we're like, we don't know if this bike gets anyone on this card closer to a title shot in their division. That's probably true of Roan Strike as well. Casey, I feel like with Rosen Strike, like, it's interesting, because it reminds me of like, I'm sure you've seen the movie Happy Gilmore and Happy's playing in the tournament and on the first hole he drives the green

and then he's like six putts and then on the second hole he gets a hole in one on a par four and he's like wow, I should just do that every time and I feel like that's what Rosenstrike did tonight like the patience and all that stuff it's like he gets it on the green and then he's six putts

but eventually the ball will go in the hole and then when he's like, you know what, it's so much easier to just get the ball in the hole off T, he just opens up when he, like, as soon as he's ready to open up and be like, dude, I'm done with this. Like, he could just end the fight. So I find it very strange. Like, why don't you just do that the whole time?

Like, I know you're a counterstriker, but I feel like if he just got a little more aggressive, he would end a lot of fights very quickly. And I feel like we'd be talking about him in a different place right now. Like, do you feel the same way? Or is he doing everything right based on his experience and where he's going in his career at this point? he's fighting who he's he's he's fighting like biggie boy fights i mean um if what you're describing is a different fighter to be honest i mean that's just not him he to me he kind of just he kind of

just lulls you into uh safety like you just Sakai you know he starts out real tight you know he's done the leg kicks he's really you know he's on edge you know but then by the end of the round round's almost over it's like okay we're about done with this you know let's go to the second around and that's when Rosenstreet just kind of saves all that energy and just kind of has that one explosion and that's all he needs. He used, Rosenstreet used the cage well. He backed up Sakai along that cage and when he had to get out of the way, he ran to, he ran into that cage. It wasn't far enough away to get around that left hook. It hit him. And it'll be interesting, I don't want to say it's an early, I don't know what I'm saying early stop.

but if the ref weren't I just let a couple more ground and pound shots go, what ended of one second left. Who knows what happens. But it is what it is. It ended. Yeah, I think AK said it. I mean, that's kind of, I don't think we learned very much. That's Rosenstruck.

Rosenstruck. Yeah, I don't, I don't, yeah, so he's lost to Francis in 10 seconds or whatever. And he lost a, you know, a lackluster fight against Sir Ragan. He's still obviously an A-level heavyweight in the UFC. I don't know. I really don't know. I don't think we... I know we like to learn things,

new things about fighters after, you know, a fight, but yeah, I think we're kind of the same place with them. Can I say that I actually think... I want to say... I think Herbin did a good job with a couple of... Did a good job with a couple of the stoppage today. Well, I want... I'm going to...

You know, we're very quick to criticize him. And I do think he is... is, you know, I do think overall he's not a great official. But when he does well, I do think, or does his job, I do think it's worth pointing out. I thought the stoppage was fine. You know, it's like you have to, you have to ignore, of course, how much time was left in the clock. That's not the referee's responsibility, right? So that was fine.

And then I actually thought, I saw him taking some flack for the Firo, uh, Ritchie stoppage. Maybe Ritchie took a few more punches than she needed to, but I thought, I thought, I thought the stoppage was just at the right time. Um, he could have stopped it earlier. He stopped it earlier. Oh, I thought, I thought we were going too early. Yeah, no, it's the opposite. I think I saw, I definitely saw, I feel like a political planning, because she was taking a lot of shots from, from Fiolo,

and she already had, like, the size disadvantage. So it was just like a bad video. It just looked like she was getting beaten up. So I think so I was like, oh, just wave it off like earlier. And I thought that was just right. So, uh, so two, two bits of props there for her being. I thought those stops were fine. Yeah, I had no issue with that stoppage either.

Because even, it was a mercy stop. Yeah, Richie got back. Yeah, Reachie actually like got back to her feed. She tied her up a little bit. And then as soon as, like, Fioro, like, got, got loose and started throwing again. Like, Dean was just like, nope, we're done. Like, I gave you a chance. Now she's starting to land again and see it.

She hopped, and her stepped right in and stopped the fight. So I knew she was still defending herself and throwing kicks. I mean, it was like she was throwing, she threw a kick. I mean, I didn't like to stoppage, but I knew who was going to win the fight. So I didn't care either. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was, like, we didn't need to see anymore.

Like, it was just going to get worse and worse. Like, he gave her a chance to stay in it. as soon as you started throwing again, he stopped it, and I think that's fine. So good on him. How about Marching Taiboire, gentlemen? Five in a row, Walt Harris seemed like he got everybody fired up. Everyone's getting excited. And then Tyborra takes him down and stops the fight with less than a minute to go.

And Walt Harris loses again. Tyborra has won five in a row. I don't think anybody's stock improved more. probably in this entire night than Marching Tybor for being honest. I think Ponziabion Bayez was a tremendous fight, but in terms of individual stocks rising, where it puts them in their respective divisions,

I think Tybor is probably the guy, right, at this point? Like, am I crazy saying that? He's top 10 now, so I don't think anyone else broke into the top 10 on this card. So, yeah, you're probably right in terms of stock. A.K. is shaking his head. No, I'm shaking my head just thinking like, why was, again, why is Harris, why was he, why was he ranked higher? What's his big, what's his big win that put him, Alexio Linick? So Alexo Linick was his big win and that put Walt Harris in the top 10?

That's a bit strange. He had four. The Nenig was top 10 at the time, though, when he beat him, right? I guess, that's what I, so I'm saying. It seems so long ago now. It was like a 10-second knockout. And before that, he had like, oh, he had a 50-second knockout. over Spivak and then before that

he did win a split over Andrei but I know it got overturned for Usada and before that he knocked out so he had like three or four knockouts and a win over Arlowski so I don't know why he was ranked fire I actually I do know why I was in Kair Marching Tibar had not been beaten

and ranked heavyweight yet yeah we said this on the shows leading up like the quality competition that Deborah has faced it's not the sexiest not the sexiest lineup during that he's He's raised a lot of high-level fighters. He just hasn't beaten them, but that's not a knock on the man. His ranking just wasn't indicative to his skill set today.

It's obviously gotten better. So if they fought in 2019, maybe Walt Harris wins. Maybe. He's just too polite after. He was like, he was, we were saying. He's like, I don't really think that it's time for me to start talking about title shot. Working out for his teammate. Yon worked out for his teammate.

was nice all the way to a title fight. Just him, man. Yeah, Tibera is going to accidentally be the heavyweight champion. Just, all of a sudden, you know, like, you know, like, you don't know, man. I don't know. I didn't take, I thought Tabor was going to win it. It was just a, facing Walt Harris at this point in his career and his life, I mean, I, I said, coming into this, the story is going to, no matter what happens in this fight, the story

is still going to be Walt Harris. win or lose. Oh, there was, on Twitter reacts, there was one tweet about Marcin Tebarra, and all of the tweets were about Walt Harris winning or, like, supporting or losing. Yeah. And that's why I don't, why Harris, I mean, but Taibura looked, he looked good. To me, he didn't look like a world beater or whatever. Like, when I say world be like a top five heavyweight, like, like I think Rosenstruck

would no mess up. Tybor pretty good, actually. But, um, or Anzikai on. honestly. I think Tabar is kind of like right around there. I don't, I don't, I just, but I just thought Walt Harris looked really bad tonight. And I know, I know he looked good for about 30 seconds or so, but that's not enough. And, um, it's just to me, I'm far as whatever Walt Harris in engaged tonight isn't the Walt Harris that we thought was the potential title contender, you know, a year, a year and a half ago. That's just, it's a different

person for you know a lot of reasons he reminds me of uh ovin st prue where i think he would be really good if he went to like a really high level mma gym uh from what i like because in when he fought in jacksonville against over and we could hear his up that was obviously one of the the first pandemic cards we could hear his corner and his corner was not doing him any favors eric andrews uh was had the same corner obviously and i would even group eric anders in there maybe they'd just be better with the change of scenery um because we've heard how good they are on the gym. But if you're the best in the gym, that's probably not how you grow as a mixed martial arts. This is just me speculating too. But yeah, well, Harris is also almost 500 record. He's like 13 and 10.

Then he get caught from the UFC at one point and then fight his way back. Yeah. Maybe he's just not, he hits really hard. And if you can avoid that, you can beat him. And that's pretty much it. Yeah, this was the blueprint for beating Walt Harris like, but even quicker. You know, we thought, oh, Tabara weather is around in the first storm and then, you know, gets a take down in the second either wins by a submission or TKO

or wins a decision. And it just was that, but just so much faster. It's happened so quickly. Maybe because of the small cage, Casey, maybe our old small cage helped out with that. But the handling of his career,

you know, in the last three fights has been, has been horrible. It's been horrible. Obviously, you know, the big story surrounding, you know, Walt over his last three fights.

is the Anaya Blanchard tragedy, of course, the death of his stepdaughter. And, you know, none of us are saying like, oh, okay, well, that, you know, that story brought him a lot of mainstream attention and a lot of sympathy and painted him in a sympathetic light. And which in sports is something that, you know, can be really good for an athlete. It's horrible that there's, that there's, that this happens to them. It's horrible that the story, you know, has to come to light in this way. but for Walt, it was some, you know, it added a different context to his fight with Overeign, right? So you can't fault up with Overeign matchup

because that was previously booked, right, before the, ahead of the Ania Blanche thing, and of course, was delayed because of the horrible thing that happened. So no issue there. And then matching him, and if he had beaten Overeign, what a moment that would have been, right? And he almost did, right? We almost had like an all-time great MMA sports moment,

just great human story if he'd done that. But then matching him up with Volkov, after it was just stupid. I can't believe the U.S. did that. I can't believe Walt Harris' handlers or his coaches accepted that fight. Did anyone watch Volkov? Did anyone know who Volkov was?

Did they confuse him for someone else? But that's in the past. I can't. And look, we all want to see him while Harris get a win because of this horrible thing that happened. I'm not saying that, you know, that the ESPN and the UFC should like exploit this story for like, you know, to just generate interest. But it is, it would feel so like almost cathartic for all of us to say, okay, we want to see something good happened for Walt Harris.

It's just this horrible thing that's done to him. And then, yeah, it was just a matchup with these guys who are just not fair on matchups, really tough bites. I'll just tell people before the show. We were sort of suggesting at first, he needs to be matched up with a contender series guy. And then I said, not a contender series contract winner, he should go against a guy who loses on contender series. That is how badly we need to get Waltersson here, you know, just to have this ray of sunshine, this brief ray of sunshine in the wake of all these bad things that have happened for him.

But I don't know, three straight losses. I don't know where they go with him for now. Maybe he doesn't want that. Like, maybe he just wants to fight really high level. Of course. I'm not saying that he shouldn't go like. Everybody wants that. But that's why you have coaches and managers.

But like, what if he did? Matchmakers. I understand. I understand that. But, I mean, to give him guys that are losing contender series guys, like what, like he's probably still top 15 rank. Well, he's going to still be in the top 15 technically. But then he loses to one of those guys and they never, like he'd be 13 and 12 or something like that. Maybe he's just not a UFC heavyweight.

But like I said, yeah, I just don't know what you do with them at this time. He got his butt kick tonight and we talked about Tiber for a little bit, but the rest of it is about Walt Harris. And that's why I felt coming to this fight, this fight is almost, it's going to be a one-fights type borer, but it's not going to move him up in terms of like, oh, he'll be like a pay-per-view co-main event or something like that. He's not going to be a featured fight, you know, or anything like that. He's still going to be just, I know, a fight night co-main event, you know, at best. Listen, they, the UFC needs to do him a favor for putting him in this spot.

You on foreign raw. Now we're going to hand you the like white meat baby face that everybody's rooting. for and if you beat him like literally nothing happens like you may not be like boot out of the building but no one's going to care it's just because you're beating walt harris so i think he give him it a little onto the next one spoiler because i said it earlier he should fight jarrazina rosenstrike next he deserves that they they should give him that fight tabura yeah yeah yeah that makes sense that i was i would rather watch i would rather watch tibora fight jarzino than watch curtis blades fight jarzino there you go

because those are the only two fights you can make yeah nothing else makes any sense yeah I like that Jose is shaking his head that look is just not like either of those fights Giazino's probably top five

so I don't know give him Kurtz blades he's also top five I know you might not I know it's probably not going to be a fun exciting fight but like F it like Derek Lewis to captain Curz Blades why can't Giorzino Rosen streak and or the guy that kept calling out Giorzino Rosenstreak,

he's not even ranked. So if we're having him fight backwards, give him a guy that will talk all that greasiness. Ben Rothel hates Giorzina Rosesich, apparently. They don't like each other? Ben Rothel's like another gift for Giorzino Rosen Streek on Twitter. Like he's just like referee, gifted him another W. I'm like, all of a sudden I want to see Ben Rothera fight Giorzino Rosen Streeks.

So, hey, Martin Tiber, you're really nice. Gizio also doesn't really talk a lot. you're not going to sell anything. So, Girozino, you know what? If we're fantasy matchmaking and we want you to fight behind you, fight a guy with like a thousand fights that already has beef with you. That's my pick. We're going to have him fight back,

have him fight someone that's at least going to drum up interest to get people to tune in. I don't mind it. Or having fight Curtis Blades. Losing a top five heavy way, is nothing hanging your head at. Who do you want Curtis blades to fight, Mr. Heck? Nobody for a long time after that knockout loss.

Oh, come on, dude, that was brutal. That was nasty. Dude, one-shot knockouts a year. One-shot knockouts aren't as bad. That wasn't a one-shot knockout. That was not a one-shot knockout. It should have been a one-shot knockout, but Derek Lewis landed a couple of pretty devastating punches after the fact.

Oh, yeah. Well, once. That was a bad knockout. If Blades clears his CT scans and all that, he's cleared to go. That's four months ago. Those four months ago. We can't wait until, like, September, October. They're going to have him fight.

Have him fight in October. Have him fight in Madison. They both have wins in Madison Square Garden and have him fight in November. Gan and Volkov are about to fight. You got Abdurahimov and Chris Docis about to fight. So there's options for him. We just don't need to book him a fight right now. If Volkov wins, Volkov Jaisen, it would be a fun fight too.

Yeah, there you go. I just don't like the different people. favor is like, hey, you fought Wall Harris. We're going to give you a huge jump up in competition. He's won five in a row. He's got the longest winning. He's got the longest winning. He's one ranked heavyweight.

And all of a sudden you want to throw him in with like the fourth heavyweight? Not my bad. He's going to be ranked two spots behind Jarzino on a five-fight winning streak. He's going to be the number eight ranked heavyweight in the world come to you. Who's Shemil fighting? Who's Shemil fighting? Chris Dachas. Give him the winner of that.

He already has a loss to Shemil. He can avenge it. And then Chris Dawkes can pick up another win. over a very nice man. I'm just saying both these guys got first round finishes. They could both turn around relatively quick. If you need to fill a spot. Get to Burr the title shot.

Effit. Effit. Give to Burr the title shot. You know what? We're all beating around the bush. That's what we all want. Lewis and Gondon, it is not official. It's not official.

You know what? You know what? Our interim title. Right, term, headway title. You know what? Because we're giving Marching to Burr a. favorite let's just give him john jones why not have john joe have him introduce john jones heavyweight title boom no interim no intro no we're stripping no intro sprit no strip rancers giving

the bmf the two belts on the line heavyweight title and bmf this escalated my turn yeah no hey can we talk about tebrose is like this is the worst nickname terran versus brock lesnar what's wait what's tiber's nickname keeper tiber that's that's a nickname. Martin Tiber Tibera. It's perfect. I'm bumping him down the rankings because of his nickname. And I wanted the pipe of the title.

It's like Smitty. It's like, oh, it's, it's Joe Smitty Smith. We turn him into Mick Foley all of a sudden. Now he's like the most popular. Now we love Archine Tybora.

It's amazing. If he were in New England, you guys would, that's the nickname you guys would. That's a very New Englandian nickname, right? You guys like, hey, Hey, Tiber. Hey, that sounds

very Canadian actually that's a very Canadian thing I don't think anyone in I don't think anyone I don't think there would be a man in New England named Marching Tibura I'm not gonna lie If he moved there

I think he'd become Tiber Pretty quickly I would rather live in Poland Than like Where does Where does Gabriel Gonzaga live Doesn't he live like in the middle of nowhere In New England

He's like in the second Really? Like he's in Massachusetts But like Yeah Like the middle of nowhere. And then like Glover to Cher lives in like a real random place in Connecticut too. For whatever reason, MMA fighters move to just random cities in New England for no reason.

Because you got gym space and it's probably cheaper. I don't know. They turn a lot of these warehouses into gyms. Beautiful, beautiful fall weather, beautiful autumns. Jose may know the answer to this question. I don't know if any of the other gentlemen have seen this, but we have bonuses. I saw. We have bonus.

People are going to be upset. Okay. Have you seen that? Have you seen it? Fight it night's easy. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Can you get, can you guess the performance bonuses? Performance bonus has to go to Montana de la Rosa and Rosas. That's only thing. We got one out of two. You got one out of two. Montana didn't win? None of the ladies won.

Martine Tibera. Oh, my guess. Mankind, Cactus Jack. Dude love. He got the other bonus. You didn't say champion. Future champion. John Jones' next opponent got the other bonus.

All right. Yeah. Yeah, that would have been nice for Montana because that was a really, I love what she showed tonight. I should have to give it to both ladies, honestly. No, no. I think one lady deserved it. I think the other lady got a,

she just did what she was supposed to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, this goes with Casey's like, you know, like level of competition has to matter a little bit. And it's no disrespect to Rishi. I actually think Rishi will look really good when she actually goes back down to 115. She's not a 125.

She's, she looked miniature. I know. Yeah. And credit to her. Less than a week's notice. That's just. Right. They had to find a straw weight.

Otherwise, there's no, there's almost, I can't think of any flyways. They would have been able to make that on three days. So they'll give her another shot at straw weight and then we'll see what she can do. But she looked pretty good. I actually actually looked right. I guess it's much for. If Faroe,

when I've done that against her original opponent, Marrott's Rina Moro If she wanted done that against Maros Yeah, of course She wouldn't have got 50 catch more And then we'll be talking about her

In a much different light But I mean, I know I'm trying to jump down The card now with Faroe But she just did what she was supposed to do I didn't really take too much from it To be honest I know everyone was like, whoa, but Competition

Casey's just down Just down on men Poor few out Doing what she needs to do you know she could have gone out there and just tried a steamroller but she was very calm cool and collected in there picked her shots, it's very patience

you know, that's only your second UFC fight. I know she's got a long career in combat sport. That was Ritchie's first fight. So, I mean, she wasn't fighting a veteran that's what I'm saying, if she wanted to have against Marose, we're having a much different conversation

if she can have done it against Marose but. Right, but this isn't like, this isn't like use of Solal going from like one opponent and then getting Ilya on less than a week's notice like he did. This is like it's, you know, it is what it is. Like you're preparing for a certain fighter, you get a

completely different fighter. She got, she got a change. She gets two checks and then, you know, they have more highlights for it. Actually, from the UFC's perspective, this is awesome. Like, it's, because no one's going to, when they look at the highlights, no one's going to go hey, hey, she was only a week's notice. That's not even near our weight class. We're not going to remember

that, you know, but they had the highlights for it. And then her next fight will be against a tougher a tougher opponent. I would love her against, I would love to see her against Lipski, actually. But yeah, I think, yeah, I think she deserves someone right outside that, you know, outside that top 10. For a, yeah, Pierre Fierre. Oh, I know.

There's only one, there's only one opponent for her. There's only one, one fight to make and one fight only. And I will tell you tomorrow and on to the next one. Oh, I think that's my wild card. That's my wild card pick. And it's a dozy. Strikers. Because we haven't against

A. Lips to just strike. And if A.K. really thinks about it, there's one fighter on this roster that I have had this kind of relationship with in terms of matchmaking. Oh.

You already know who it is. Yes. You know it is. I'm not going to say. Again, I'll say, I'll guess it on tomorrow's show. Remind me to guess it. You know it is. You definitely know who it is.

I think so. But yeah, Delarosa, I would have been fine with her getting the other bonus over over Taborra. I love, I love Taborra. But again, I think her first ever knockout,

that's pretty cool. Yeah. And just the aggression and killer instinct showed on the ground today, oh, that was so, that was fun to watch. It was a great performance. Yeah.

I thought Lipski was going to win. And I was like really impressed by Della Rosa. I kind of gave up on her, to be honest. But as far as a top contender at flyway, I'm not saying she is a top contender, but what she showed tonight can make me believe that, though. She has time.

She's young. She's young. What is she like? 26? 26. She's young. Because I believe we talked about the line, a lot of people commented on the line.

Minus 260 was the line on Montana. Montana-Dill-Rose ending in that fight. A lot of people thought that was too wide. I thought Montana was going to put her away quick. Or either at second. I thought Montaio was going to finish her. I thought she was going to submit her. I didn't think she'd TK.

Her striking has gotten way better since going out to elevation. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's, I was like that was an impression. improved version of her tonight. I thought we were going to see an improved version of Lipski, with her being at ATT. Maybe it's not enough time right now. I still have faith in Lipski.

I think she's a very markable fighter and really good. But yeah, De La Rosa surprised me tonight. And I like being surprised. Yeah, she needs to either, she needs to be like either the Duchess of Violence or like the new Queen of Violence after that performance. Like that first elbow she landed, that was nasty. Busted her right open.

Good performance, man. She looked really good. She deserved a bonus tonight. She got the big fat hose job, as we like to say on this program. But I would be, before we go to the peeps, I would, we have to talk about the fight of this night. Miguel Baezza versus Santiago Ponziabio. Good, God Almighty. That was so much fun to watch.

Unfortunately, the middleweights had to follow it. And it was kind of like Chris Jericho and Triple H trying to follow the Rock versus Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania. Like it just doesn't matter what fight it is. You know what that was? That was Henry Sehudo and Sergio Pettus following Justin Gage and Eddie Alvarez. Yeah, that's probably a better example. And then immediately after Al-Seroverim got his head decapitated. That's why no one remembers Sehudo, Sergio Pettis.

That's right. There's nothing that you could have done. I was not good, but let's talk about, I mean, Ponziabia, it was awesome. First of all, I, Kay, did you agree with the judges? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had last two rounds for Baiza. Sorry, for Ponziabia, excuse me.

So, uh, no issue there. This whole thing definitely lived up to what, I remember, uh, on the, one of the, the Q&A of the preview show, someone was kind of asking like, what's a, let's, what's a deep cut for like fight of the night? And we all think really hard because all of us were just like, it's going to be Ponzanibia and Beaza.

Like, we can, we can give you other answers, but we're really just doing it for the sake of the show. like none of us really, I think I might have even said, I'm sure it's on record, I might have said, the Leite's say in Storopoli, I don't know, something, or maybe I said Rodriguez to Doravish. Either way, whichever one I picked, it wasn't close to anywhere near what Ponziubio and Bayes delivered. It was just, it's, it's, I love this fight. I think some people are already kind of saying, asking like, oh, were we just caught up in the moment, like when we were kind of looking at as a potential fight of the year candidate?

We'll see, obviously we'll see six months from now. Is it still, does it make the top five? I don't know. Maybe it doesn't make the top five. But is it in the talks for the top five? Easily, it has everything you want. And had great action. It had a story, you know?

It was like, after the first like five minutes, people were like, yo, Ponzibio. He doesn't look good. Those leg kicks. He's done. He's done. He's done. But you could see him really like not panicking. He wasn't panicked.

He was slipping only because all those damn ads on the mat. And then he was finding his rage. He was losing. He just didn't have the muscles on his feet were just all messed up. Yeah. But he adjusted. He kind of. to tighten up his stance and everything, whatever he had to do, just so he could still be

effective on the feet. And he really just started cranking up the pressure. And he did it against a guy who he knows is less experienced than him, who hasn't been in the wars that he's been in. That's how a veteran wins a fight. Beza, as far as, I think Beza is the more skilled fighter. I think Bayez is a more skilled fighter. This is where experience and, and toughness and everything that Ponsanibia has been through comes into play. And I, and I loved that he did not accept that he's down around like, oh, well, I'm just, I'm just outclass tonight. He's like, Nope, I think I'm the better fighter. I'm coming back.

And Beezza was right there with him. Just didn't have that extra gear tonight. And that's fine. He used nothing wrong. He fought an amazing fight. And Ponziabia was just better. This will be a very pivotal night in the career of Miguel Baezza. Like, however he responds to this will probably, like, write most of his career.

Like, if he bounces back with a win, you're just like, oh, boy, like, that was a learning experience. He took everything from that. and he grew from it. And I feel like he will. Like I don't feel like his stock drops at all. And Jose, I want to get your thoughts in the fight. I tweeted out, this was very Josh Emmett versus Shane Bergo-esque. Like, this is a three-round fight that when we run down like our year-end list, like, this will be on the list.

Like, this probably won't win, but you had to put like, we knew Josh Emmett versus Shane Burgos wasn't going to win, but we knew it had to be on that list. I feel like this fight kind of is right around the same level. If that makes sense. Yeah. I mean, after this fight ended, I was like, God, damn. I wish there were two more rounds. Imagine five rounds of those two men throwing down. Maybe Miguel Baezza wins just based on youth.

Maybe his body doesn't just fall apart in the final two rounds. And Santiago's does. But yeah, it's rare when a fight that we all kind of earmark is like there are people. main event and lives up to it. And this blew all expectations out of the water, I think. I actually picked, I didn't pick this for a fight in the night. I thought the winner of this

was better performance bonus. I thought someone was going to get stopped in this fight. And maybe it would have been a double bonus at best, but one of the better fights we've seen in a long time terms competitiveness because like we, the fights between like, like, Jerry and Dom Reyes or like Holloway Cater,

even like Olivera, Chandler, Barbosa, Burgos, these are the ones that are just like off the top of my head for the possible fight of the years type stuff. Even Poria McGregor for as long as it lasted, those had finishes. It didn't really reach the end. This kind of reminds me of the,

he just fought on this card. Davis, Mason Jones, like that fight card. Like the preview shows and the Q&H for that, we were like, there's no possible way this fight isn't at least fun. Might not win fight in the night, but it's going to be an epic fight and we kind of earmarks that.

It reminds me that too, like just a three-round fight where they're just beating the soul out of each other and then they both leave, like their entire bodies in the octagon and they go home $50,000 richard. So it kind of reminds me of that as opposed to the others because of levels of competition and all this kind of stuff. But yeah, fantastic fight,

blue all expectations out of the water. And I can't wait for either man to return to the octagon and fight whoever, because that was a, high action fight all around yeah it's in some really good three-round fights this year some really fun ones what did you think of it Casey as uh as an astute martial ars yourself what did you think of uh of these performances by both of these gentlemen it just rolled like you said um at oh a k said um it kind of it had the

well i think you know why why we see a lot kind of in boxing in films and everything because in boxing since the fights longer, the fights didn't have more of a story. You know, it's not, you know, not, you know, you get up and down, you know, you can kind of give rounds away to come back later. And this fight, but MMA, we had that today. I mean, after the first round, I'm like going, dang, Biazza, he's going to be a champion in a year.

Holy moly. I guess, I mean, I was thinking, Ponzi, he was done. You know, I guess, well, you know, he had a good run, but I don't think we're going to see him, you know, in the rankings, you know, very much longer. Then, you know, go get a soda come back. like, holy crap, you know, Ponziabas has got it. You know, he's coming back and like more than, maybe more than any of the combat sport, you know, experience

and just being freaking tough counts for so much more. And that's what Ponziabio had in this fight over Baezza. He just, I'm not saying Baezza doesn't have the toughness, but he just couldn't find it, I guess. And Panznibeio just, he had it, he wanted it, he needed that win. It was just it was a great if I had a story I love prospects versus vet fights Perfect placement on the card and yeah great fight well one fight of the year but you know definitely when you have those

honorable mention you know paragraphs at the very the bottom of the you know article this fight would definitely be one of those The numbers were pretty wild in this fight first round significant strikes total by the way Santiago Ponsonivio outlanded Miguel Baezza 121 to 104 so very very close round one

Baezza 39 to 15 most of those are the nasty leg kicks they landed and then Ponzo just got pissed round 2 47 27 Ponziabio round 3 59 to 38 was the third round

in terms of significant strikes wild fight man so good you let almost 60 significant strikes in that last round? He landed 53% of his strikes. He was 59 of 111 in round three.

Do leg strikes count as significant strikes? I'm not in me. Do they? Yeah. It depends. Yeah. I hope so. I hope they count. I hope they can. That's all I'm saying. You know how many like kicks? I don't know if you.

How many leg kicks McGill up by Azza landed in that fight? Take a guess. Landed. At least 25, right? Okay. You had a guess? I mean, that was going to be my number. But I'll go, I'll go higher because I'll say, I'll say 35.

Jose. 1 million. 43, prime numbers. 44. Dang. 44 of 49 leg kicks. Dang it. I missed one.

I was keeping track. That's a lot. Your counter was off, Jose. Your counter was off. That's a lot. Ponziabio. Ponziabio landed some. good ones too he landed 11 on them but all those counted those are all brutal deep and nasty this

will make Miguel Baiza better this will be a fight when a gal Baezza now it goes on like a five or six fight win streak we're gonna we're gonna look back and be like what was his last loss again oh yeah yeah yeah that fight with once in i i hope he doesn't uh get a massive step up in competition again uh and all of a sudden he's the edmund of the welterweight division where he was kind of your marked as a title. He moved naturally instead of... Yeah. Yeah.

So all of a sudden he's O and two against like high level welterweights and we're like, oh, was he even good? Which clearly the answer is yes, but I would like him more, you know. You guys know what I'm saying. I don't want him to owe him to. Yeah, yeah. And dude, there's no, I think there's no shortage of water weights that by as a could could face.

Who's it? Oh, man. I had someone that I wanted to watch team fire. I can't remember. Such as like him and Conno, it would have been really. fun. But then like this, the other part of me

that's like, I don't want to see Condit fight a guy like Miguel Bayez up but now he's fighting Max Griffin so all bets are off at this point because Max is an animal too. That fight could have been just as good. Like I said,

Condit's got that toughness and that experience too, which is what I think why Ponzi Neville won this fight and either way. But as a, um, yeah,

I'm excited. I'm excited to see both gentlemen. How about, um, Alex Moran. for Bayezza. That's just you know what? That's actually a pretty good fight.

In my internal rankings, they're probably right there. Moronos, I don't would, I wouldn't say he's as violent a fighter as Ponziadio, but he's still like a high level fighter and is coming off the biggest one of his career. So I think that'd just be a fun fight. Nico. I think that's perfect, actually. Who's Nico prize fighting? Isn't Price fighting so many? I had a to means, Migo Baezza.

It means that'd be a screge. scrap too. Means is fighting somebody. Who is he fighting? I don't know. Yeah, it means has a I think you can't really screw

up the booking. Cowboy Oliver, that'd be a fun fight too. I like Cowboy Oliver. Oh, Danny Roberts. Fighting Danny Roberts. Dude, give him the winner of that.

Or the loser. Give him either one. Yeah, it doesn't matter. By his, it can fight anybody and I will watch and I will enjoy. It'll be fun. What's one else in doing these days?

Throw him in there with the King of Kung Fu. That's always fun. Yeah, that would be a fun time. But look at this. No, we're more interested in seeing Bayezza, Baezza in his next fight. We're talking more about the guy that lost and the guy that won. I think it's really interesting.

I think it's hard to fantasy matchmake. I think it's more interesting to fantasy matchmaking losers because win is going on. Yeah. You know, so like Santiago, like if Balal Muhammad wins, that'd be a fun fight because Damien Maia is retiring. Hmm. He was doing Neil Magni. Neil Magny.

He already beat Neil Magne. Maybe the winner of Brady and Kevin Lee, because they would be ranked. That'd be a fun fight. It's tough. It's tough, it's tough, man. It's tough because he's knocked out Neil Magny, but then he got knocked out by Legion Liang, and then Neil Magny pieced up Legion Leone. There's like this triangle where they all just beat each other.

Yeah, it screws up the MNMA math. Yeah. And it was perfect before then. It was perfect. Yeah. Tired Woodley is gone, Lord of McDonald's not in the UFC, Vicente Lucie's probably going to have to fight way up. You know who he should have fought?

Because they have beef before he dropped back down, RDA. Him and RDA do not like each other. That's like a, if you ask Guillermo, that's a lost fight for like the Brazilian Argentina MMA scene, that they hate each other. Really? I didn't know that was discussed. It was.

It was. It was. As Guillermo, if Gareme, if Gareme is on the A side or anything like that, ask him, he's just like, oh, why hasn't that fight happened? he's been calling for that fight forever. Okay, what about, we have to do it because it is tradition at some point to mention this person's name.

At least it was last year, every show we had to mention this person. Don't do it. Don't do it. You don't have to do it. If they don't do Magni versus Shemayev, why not Ponziinibio versus Shemayev? Cool.

Love it. Awesome. I feel like that makes so much sense. Ponzenegio beat Magny. If Magni is already matched up with someone else, F it. or he was uh santagos ponsoninoe was supposed to fight robbie law before they both had health issues i still want to watch that fight even though roby law is not ranked you see it's

well it's great jeff nil versus he's out for he's he's taking time off i'd be out for a while he's gonna be up for yeah blood infection what i am what i am rest up for another few months yes before we start throwing let's go to the peeps Sure, sure, sure. Let's go to the peeps for a few moments. I always have the last question up. All right, here we got. Let me see.

I guess the king of kung fu is the winner of nickname since he got the win today. There you go. Hold on a second. Oh, hold on a second. Thoughts on Montana de la Rosa, to me she's an underappreciated fighter. Her groundwork today against Ariana Lipski was great. Yeah, she looked awesome.

Yeah, I think. Yeah. We spoke about it before, but yeah, she showed aggression. The only knock I have on Montana, Del Rose, and I think she's an awesome fighter. Is she beat, like, I think it's what Casey said with, like, when Manon won, she beats the women that I think we all kind of assume she's going to beat in the way she's going to beat them.

This Lipsque win, I think was the first one. I was, like, really torn between Montana and Ariana, but, like, she lost to Vivian Arugel, who is phenomenal. Andrily phenomenal. And then she's beating Rachel Ostevic and Nadia Kazam by submission. And I don't have anything against either women, but there's a reason they're not in the UFC right now. I think Rachel Ostevic was under 500 when she was released. And Nadia's last two losses weren't the best showing.

If you remember, she got to kind of, she did the fake love touch and then got dropped immediately and kind of forgot a punch. than Mara Romero Borrella, I think a lot of people kind of, they're like, there's better women outside the UFC that should be in the UFC. So it's kind of like the Marcien Tebora thing I was saying, where she's being all the people that she should be

and she's lost to like the big steps up in competition. This Lipski win was awesome, and I think it's the first time I was like torn between the two opponents and Montana surprised me, for sure. Also, I fell into the trap of reading Guillermo's interview with Lipski before and she talked up her wrestling and grappling a lot

so I was like, oh, it's a new Ariana Lipski and then just got stopped for the second fight in a row. Well, I just thought her training with one of the best camps in the world and specifically for women MMA. Yeah, yeah, and like, you know, I've seen

those photos of her with all the other I can't be named all, but all high level women, 35, 15 or 15 or so, okay, she has a great camper on her. So, I was surprised. I was surprised. Maybe just not long enough.

I think didn't Johnny Walker train a TriStar for a bit and then got stopped in his first fight with TriStar and he was like, it just wasn't there long enough. Yeah, that happens. You know, you know, even in the Arugio loss,

like you saw the improvements on the feed just from like the short time she spent there. Well, that's what I'm saying. Staying on your feet with Arujo is not a good idea. Exactly. At least she showed some, she showed something. She did better than a lot of other ones would have done. For sure.

Great fighter. You know, who really benefited from a change of camps today that was on this card was Mason Jones, his move to Alpha Mail because they were talking a lot about like, oh, he needs to beef up his wrestling. I think Michael Bissing was joking about it to him being from Wales. And like, I can't believe he would move from Wales to live in California or something. He's taking a little shot at the Welsh people, but not the Welsh people, but the the climate in Wales.

But yeah, you saw, it's unfortunate that Mason Jones's fight ended, you know, with an eye poke. Because he was, he was really showing, oh, was there a question that? Was there a question that would load that up case? Let's talk about that iPoke. Was that a fight ender? I think we all are in agreement on that. But what else could he have done? Yeah.

That fight wasn't going well for him. Yeah, I know. He's just like, you know what? If I'm only getting half my paycheck, son, you're only getting half your paycheck. I'm doing, I'm doing Dana White a favor here. Sorry, Mason. And Mason was super polite about it after, except for, I think he didn't want to touch gloves after. I think he was a little annoyed that Alan Petriek couldn't continue.

But when the referee was talking to him, he was very polite. He was like, yeah, it's my fault. He's like my fault. He's like my fault. It wasn't intentional. but I know that I shouldn't have I shouldn't have had my finger out there. He probably has surely a man. His voice in the back of his head. Yeah.

I'm telling him to calm down from Fight Island. But he looked, he looked great tonight. Yeah. He looked great tonight. He was putting it up together. He was gone away to either. He's probably a T.K.O.

Alan Patrick, E. Or I get a very one-side decision win. Oddly, and he's 0-and-1 with a no contest. So wins in this first two appearance. I think Mason Jones, is going to be a really good fighter in the UFC. This is just kind of a weird, rocky start to his,

to his UFC career. But yeah, he looked great. And I think that going to Team Alpha male, huge, huge. They get really paid off. It's just only a matter of time before he starts looking for the guillotine immediately. Yeah.

Jump the gilly. Wait, let's talk about the biggest part, the biggest part of the night right here. I love that, too. Yeah. Like the main card, we'd only be like one fight into, we're only going to be one fight into the main card next Saturday. It's still light outside.

And there's three five round fights. And there's three five round fights in Glendale. Let's not forget that. So we'll see you at 3.30 a.m. Eastern next Saturday for the post fight show because you still got the press conferences as well they get to. I can't wait. If only delete St. Toropoly had gotten the five round treatment as well, eh?

Gosh, it's not fair. Why did what? We're going to have the main and comely. Maine and Diaz Leon, probably the winners and losers plus Dana White. So we're going to have, what, seven press commerce is coming at most. It's going to be the time. All right. Speaking of, since part of tonight's festivities, all right, we'll answer this.

I picked Tibora up, but felt really bad for Harris. Do you think he'll get cut from this or maybe one or two more losses or not anytime soon? I think his next fight will be, depending who that's, opponent is if they give him someone outside the top 20, 25. If he loses that fight, then we're talking release possibility. If they give him another top 15, top top 10 opponent, which they shouldn't. But if he loses against someone like that level, I think they'll have a little more rope. But it's not looking good for Mr. Harris in his career right now in the UFC.

It's very desperate times coming up. Yeah. heavyweights have a longer leash it's not a very deep division those who are on the lower end usually are not very good so you and Walt Harris beyond his storyline he brings a certain level of excitement

to his fights he's exactly the kind of heavyweight that Dana White and the match breakers always talk about where it's like one shot like this guy's always one one flurry away from beating anyone we saw some of that tonight he definitely had his moments of uh he hit a wild like falling back fist on to her and it landed

it was like was shocking accuracy. I don't know if that's luck. I don't know if it's just his, his, how skilled he is. It really did land hard, though. You saw it to Borough was kind of like, oh, like, wow, that really rattled me. And then he kind of, he got his defense is up. But that's the kind of excitement Walter Springs. So he'll have a longer leash, one, because of the heavyweight. Two, his fights are usually exciting. So, yeah, I think he can lose four straight, maybe even five straight. It does depend who it is, who he loses to? Because our loss, I think at one point was, what, winless in five fights, I believe, and still, I think still got another chance.

He is Arlowski, but I mean, he's got a name. These are three-st-out losses, too. I think Arlotsky was losing a bunch of lessor decisions, which I don't know, it's a better worse. I don't know. But I guess losing an exciting fashion keeps you around longer. I don't know. I think Andre Arlowski is one of those guys that will just be like, he'll just answer

the phone and be like, yep, I'll fight whoever. you know you send me to check and he's always is an expensive fighter yeah yeah yeah he's a he is a prize fighter yeah he he keep his managers get on him

he's raising the average salary right the you have seeking points like what do you mean our average salary is this high because they have guys like our loss here we were in we were in I don't know if I told this on this show when we were in Jacksonville uh we would see Andre Arlowski just bopping around everywhere.

And I've never seen a man because I don't even know if he had fought yet or if he was coming off his head heat. No, he hadn't won yet. Had he? I don't remember. Because he won his last fight, right? If I remember correctly. Bozer, right?

Against Chase Sherman. So I can't remember if he had fought or not yet. So I had never seen a man smiling so much. And just for whatever reason, Andre Lossi just had to smile in his face the entire week. And we saw him everywhere.

He wasn't even doing anything. He was just hanging out. He also, the other thing that keeps Arloskey relevant is he'll always be former UFC champion, former UFC heavyweight champion on Jaroski. That's like, that's something that you can always put on, like, whatever, the advertising or any matchup, you know. I get every time I have to write in Arloskey fight, I always, I always mention it. I always throw it in there, even though it was like a lifetime ago on like a different era.

But he lost a five, three people. Yes. At one point, he lost his steepe, former champ, Overeem, like former multiple champs, aside of the UFC, Josh Barnett, former champ, Francis and Gano, current ship, and most importantly, fought to a decision against future champion Marchine Tibera. Oh, yes, there it. That was a good law, right?

But at what point, at what point do champions, like, do they've reached that status where it's like an Academy Award winner who's like won a long time ago? We just don't mention, like, Academy Award winner, Cuba Gooding Jr. In Snow Dogs 4. It's like, at what point are you not allowed to use it? Never. Academy Award winner. Academy Award winner, Kim Basinger.

You know what I mean? It's like at some point the statute, the statute of limit, I got a lot of these guys. The statute of limitations has to run out, I feel like. Never. No, man, you can't take awards away. They're there. Not the fight game.

Ander Aloski lost brain cells to win that. You can keep that forever. It's true. It's a fight game. It's a fight game. Sharon Stone. I got a Kim Basinger reference in the show today. Oh, tremendous.

Yeah. Mark down the bingo card. Cool. Wall Harris is also 37, and I think he provides value to the UFC, not just with his fighting. He's very good as an analyst. I'm glad they gave him a shot in 2020, and I hope he gets more chances to be on the desk this year. He was really good at it. He was great for that spell of time when he was always the guest fighter in the back.

It's awesome. Before the pandemic, he was real. was great back there. He was a good dude, right? Yeah, he was one of them. But then like a week later, tragedy struck. So that kind of overshadow that whole video. We didn't talk about this real quick.

Focus on the first part of this comment, not the second part. I know Brad Acomo tweeted that Tom Breez had suffered panic attacks before. Do we think it's that? Or is it a timing issue? Montana-Dela-Rosa versus Ariana Lipski was bumped to the main card. That's why it was bummed. I have no idea. I mean, was that the story?

Yeah, I didn't see it. I didn't see it. They, they, they, Tom Breach just pulled out for medical reasons, but they didn't say why. I didn't say why. It definitely was not a time. Yeah, it definitely was not a timing issue. I was hoping that, I was hoping that a fight would get bumped to the post led. We have a Bellator-esque post-slim before I realized it's all, it's all on ESPN Plus,

so it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But yeah, no, we can't, we can't speak about that. A medical issue could mean a variety of things. Yes. I mean, yes, it's certainly worth mentioning that he has withdrawn from previous fights for those reasons. But tonight, again, literally could be anything. He's pretty open about these things.

I think if it is related to that, we'll find out within by the end of this week. Otherwise, and if we don't, it's not of our business. I'm, you know, whatever, hopefully he's all right. Well, it sucks. I was looking forward to that fight. His opponent's business. And that's, I don't, I mean, I know, I know who is fighting tonight, to be honest. I don't know.

Oh, yo. Yeah. I don't know very much by that gentleman but that freaking sucks for him So I hope yeah I mean We gotta remember these are Yeah

He's an ad die fight too If he lost he was probably cut Um Is he paid me? I don't know how this works I mean I'm sure he got food I don't know you

Who knows I'm sure you got paid for this I hope so It depends on the situation Yeah We'll see what happens I want to get your take on this gentleman because we're officially on the road to UFC 263. And a big part of the broadcast tonight that got a lot of attention was an interview that Michael Bisbing did with Israel Adasagna and Martin Vittori.

And Martin Vittori, God bless him in his style. He looked like my grandmother's love seat with that outfit he was wearing. I mean, just so colorful. Like it just matched from top to bottom. The guy just crushed it. The style was way better than the back and forth between those two guys, at least in my mind. It didn't sell me on the fight anymore. And like with those two guys, like I didn't think it like, I think everything Vitori said over the last like year sold the fight enough.

Like I didn't need to see that. You know what I mean? That's just me. Sometimes it's fun. This one didn't really work for me. So on a scale of one to 10, Casey Leiden, what would you rate that back and forth, that interview between those two gentlemen and Michael Bisbing? one to ten um i give it a solid seven i mostly for iss and izzie's part because yeah i saw i don't know i mean my my impression like there was something in izzie's eyes or like you like

you're not like you my like you like you really like just like he was just almost flustered i can't believe you're saying these things because i remember even oh man i'm when we talk about this fight later this week, you know, in our preview shows and all that stuff. I'm going to pull some clips. I already pulled from our previous Vittori post shows. And after Vittori beat Holland, I was like, man, there's no way he's going to title fight in that performance. But then I was like, I don't know, he talks about crap. So maybe the UFC would do it.

I don't know. Timings everything. And then this reminded me why he has this title shot because he just says things. Just like, I won that fight. I was like, no, he didn't, man. Like, yeah, I mean, we watch it. It wasn't that close up. You held Izzy for a little bit.

You got beat up mostly. And Izzy, we know Izzy is much better than that Izzy that fought a few years back against Vittori. I'm more hyped about it. I enjoyed seeing that mean Izzy, that kind of that, I'm going to finish you. Because I don't remember him, Izzy really coming out and saying stuff like that about other fighters, like, I'm going to finish you. Like, I will hurt you bad, man, you know. So I enjoyed it. Bronson?

Yeah. The Bronson is the only one. But there was a more of a comical thing. Like, whatever, you know, I'm like, you and your skinny legs and stuff, you know. He was getting really, if you watch the press conference with this reminding me. There was no humor with Izzy to me this one. It was just like, that's what I mean. Like the point thing is kind of.

It's also his first fight coming off a loss. So maybe it's just a different approach to Izzy. Like he just wants to F this dude up. Yeah. It reminds, if you watch the on sale ticket press conference with Izzy and Whitaker, but it was in Australia. It was in Melbourne. So like it was like both the New Zealand and Australian crowd was there.

And that was the press conference. I don't know if you saw it. They didn't do a lot of hype around it for like usc.com. It was one of those press comments for the people there. Robert Whitaker fan brought a megaphone to the press conference so he could yell at Izzy, even though he, in case he couldn't get to the mic. And it was fantastic. And that Izzy was the Izzy that was talking with Mara Vittori.

Like he was getting mad. So it's, it was, I like to the, I like to. likes the bag of forth though because uh anytime you get two individuals and it's like like Marvin English is clearly not his first language so he's just saying things that he's heard a lot and we find them funny and it's like you're yelling like I'm not comparing Marvin tori to a child but it's like when a kid only knows like five insults and you come come at him with this like perfect like exchange and he just goes you know you're dumb and you're just like I don't know what to say that man And then you just, and then you just, like, respond intelligently.

He goes, yeah, well, you're stupid. And it's like, okay, I feel like I'm just yelling at wall right now. I feel like that's what Izzy was doing. I loved everything about it. It just, it was fun. And like, the best part was when Marvin's like, I know I'm going to tell you what I'm doing to do. I'm going to take you, like, and then I'm just going to hold you out of the canvas.

Like, he was just laughing about it. He goes, that's what I'm getting to do. And I'm just like, it's not going to happen. But I love how confident you are about it. Yeah. I love how confident you are about it. It's cute. I think it's cute.

And then Izzy's like, and then he's like, Izzy, how you get a win? And then he just goes, and then you just hear him off and go, he doesn't even know. And I'm just like, no. You already know how you're going to beat me. How are you going to beat me? You don't even know. It's destiny. It's destiny.

That's what he kept saying. I'm like, you, I don't think you know how destiny works, my man. Well, whatever. I hate for the fight. It did not. I mean, I was hard for fighting anyway, I guess, because it's an Izzy fight. And because the natural. like the very real beef between him and Vitori,

which is why I did not particularly enjoy this segment. So I'll be all the way on the other side of it from you guys. Yeah, I did not enjoy the segment. I thought it was not uncomfortable, but I just didn't feel like it sold the fight very well. But it's hard to gauge. So here's what I was thinking while you guys were just talking there was, it's hard to gauge the effectiveness because if you're trying to say,

okay, well, would it make someone who's like maybe not a hardcore UFC fan or who's not, you know, who maybe isn't super familiar with either guy for whatever reason, would it make them want to buy the fight, you know, purchase this pay-per-view? But then I realized this, first of all, it was airing on an ESPN Plus show on a card headline by Jairzina of Rosenstruke and Augusta Sakai. So are those people even watching?

It is on YouTube, it is on social media? But again, is this a sort of thing that someone is going to go out of their way? I'm talking about the promo specifically to watch it. So it's almost not for bringing in a more casual audience. But that is the way I was looking at it. So maybe unfairly. But I do think it's not something that would really appeal to anyone who wasn't already playing to watch these guys fight. So that's my issue.

Maybe from an entertainment standpoint, it was okay. Though it didn't do much for me in that regard either. But from a selling of fight standpoint, I thought it was just like completely ineffective. I thought it just comes off with a little bit awkward. But look, I'm on record saying I'm not the biggest fan. of Israel Adisanya's promos or whatever, his interviews and all that. I think he talks a lot, which is good. I think he has moments of these strong lines,

but I've never thought that he's been like a super charismatic guy. Not as far as talking. I think he has a charismatic aura, but as far as actual interviews and doing promos stuff. I don't think he's that great. I know Ben Duffy from Sherdog tweeted, Israel Adesani's trash talk might be the most overrated single skill and MMA, obviously, some exaggeration there.

But I did agree, I did agree with that tweet, though. Oh, I think Izzy's horrible. I think Izzy's horrible about trash talk. That's why I like this interview because it wasn't trash talk. This was just Izzy going, I'm just going, I can't, I'm insulted. I'm insulted. I'm just, I just, I just saw that he was just insulted in his eyes. I can't believe I have to, like, this is way I have to make my living.

I have to make a few million dollars like beating you up. Okay. You know, oh, I'm going to enjoy this, though. Yeah. Izzy's not a great trash talk thing. And I think he's just a goof. Yeah, he's just a goof. Yeah, he's just a goof.

And but when it's time to fight, good Lord. Yeah, he's the most like his, he's very confident when he talks. And when I hear him talk, I'm like, ah, it's not the, I don't understand what you're saying right now. But when he fights, he's just as confident. And it's like, that's like, that's what sells him. He's one of those guys that I don't think he would need to talk, but whatever, still I'll never. I'll never question.

I'll never question is over. Look, I'm on record just saying. I still think his entrance for the Robert Whitaker fight, the dance, I still think that's the best entrance ever. I know, I know some people think, I know some people think dancing is so, I'm a big dance guy, I love dancing. I know some people think it's corny and it's corny when fighters do it. I thought that was like legitimately, that wasn't like fighter good. That wasn't like, oh, for a fighter, that was a good dance. I'm like, like, objectively, that was a really cool dance.

Usually, a lot of science is a very good dancing. Like when he went to Nigeria, when he went to Nigeria and they had like the break Dan Circle and then they were like, oh, Izzy, come on in. And I was like, oh, this is going to look bad because he's surrounded by a bunch of professional dancers. And not only did he do well, he like held his own. He was really, really good. Yeah.

Also, I just, I really like, regardless of the whether he's like, but he's not a good trash talker, but I feel like people have told him that and he still does it, which I also appreciate because he's like, whatever. I don't care. I'm still going to do it. All right. It's not fake. There's not fake, I'll say.

I think I'm more on the AKA side of the promo, but I did find some things that I did enjoy. First of all, I love the fact that Marvin Vittori is like, I won that first fight. Like he's just bought in and he's just playing that role and he's surfing the wave. I love it so much and he should always do that. And even if he loses,

if he loses a 50 to 43 decision, he needs to say he won that fight too and just play that role over and over again forever and ever. We're one in one. Yeah, we're one and one. We're one and one. Let's go. Like, that's what he needed to do.

It's just great. Mike, too. For the press conference, he should come out of a belt. He should just buy a belt UFC.com and just walk out the belt. Like, I nearly want. Cail son or Derek Lewis style. I'm retroactively to the champion because I almost won a decision before you won the belt. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

I actually have to do a retro. I actually have to do a retro robbery review this week of their first fight just because Marvin never shuts up about it. I was spoiling it. By the way, spoiler. I think everyone should read it because obviously my reviews are freaking amazing. But spoiler. No, it wasn't.

So sorry. Sorry. Scroll to the bottom of the article. It wasn't. But hey, I haven't watched the fight in a while. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'll look back on it. I do not.

I mean, from what I recall, it was not a robbery. But we'll see. But find out why. I think the one thing that really hurt this whole thing was that it was too long. It was just too long. Like if you want to go back and watch a whole thing, interview you can go watch it on YouTube. I felt like it was like seven minutes long. Like these things are just like one or two questions, like let him go back and forth and then get out. Like get out.

Make him want more. Make him go see the fight. I think the longer it went, the less like appealing it got. The third thing that really sticks out is the fact that yeah, it's a fine fight. Izzy's back and all that. But we all know Robert Whitaker's like the guy that should be in this spot. We understand why he's not in the spot, but he should be in the spot. And then the last thing that I thought about, and it made me crack up myself up in this room by myself, Marvin Vittori is like Nick Totoro in the movie, the longest yard, like the remake, like he just looks on his faces, like his eyes open wide, and he just starts like randomly shadowboxing for no reason.

Like that's like he reminds me of Nick Totoro in, in the longest yard. Like he's just so funny. He's such a character. And it's just great. it's it's great in like all the wrong ways i i felt like this needed one of the if it was better produced it was like maybe because of the covid restrictions i'm not sure why they did it that way but this needed one of those those old school like hbo face off ones it was just like max kellerman and at a table and both fighters on each other at the table and it's just go you know

and someone basically just couldn't control the conversation because that's not his job he's just i don't know he just doesn't do that well that it shouldn't be someone like anic or someone who could control with it better. But you know what I'm talking about remember those HBO kind of? Yeah, like those are great, you know? And just... That's very, that's kind of a boxing and BBC thing. Like, BBC does that

with boxing a lot now. And they did it with, I think it was Sky Sports, did it with Till and Mazuradol. That was the last time I saw it in MMA. Yeah. Remember Joe Rogan, I think it was DC and Jones. Like, they all on like directors chairs. Like, something like that. You just have in the middle, like,

it got a little chaotic and Rogan like did his best to control it but like something like that where it's just like the tone is and Michael Bisming's just Michael Bisving's just gonna like feed into it anyways like he's just gonna feed right into that fire that's because he loves it and he should

because that's who he is but it's it's kind of tough throwing him in that spot so I get it but I'm excited for the fight but it does feel like a mandatory in boxing you know what I mean when when guys just have to If I, obviously, that's what the site feels like a mandatory because we know Whitaker is the guy.

But yeah, but no, is he's got to do what he's got to do. It's a good card, man. And that's fine. The card's great. The card is great. Yeah. There's no, the only problem is there's no air. There's no local fighters.

It's the only problem. Really? They could, there's not one, none. Ish. Kind of. I mean, trains in Arizona. Wow. Not really.

Not the last time I read. Brandon Moreno has a lot of ties to Arizona. If you, he talks. all about it in our in our interview Lauren Murphy has ties to Arizona if you've ever been here have like South Phoenix is basically Mexico so

yeah exactly right now's had a lot of fight what do you say like six seven fights in Arizona well if you fought in LFA you've probably fought in Arizona yeah how much Henry Seudo we're going to get this week you think not enough

I learned that Henry I learned Henry's I learned Henry's like right down the street from me like he was really close and I've driven by his house a few times and I've been like that is a very gaudy truck oh that is a ridiculous flag

and then I found out that Henry Sehoodle is there I was like that makes a lot of sense all right all right I got to look at the rest of this card so we got those two fights we obviously have Nate Diaz Leon Edwards Paul Craig Jamal Hill Damien Maya Palamahad

Carlos Philippe versus Jay Kali you know that's gonna be fun that's gonna be Jed Michus fight of the fight of the night Foresium versus is Luigi Benjamini, Hakeem Duwato

versus Mavzar Evloa. That's a great that's good. Injected to my body. Lauren Murphy, Joanne Calderwood, huge fight at 125,

probably a number one contender fight. Matt Fravola, Frank Camacho, you know, that's going to be fun. Drew Dover versus Brad Riddell.

That's going to be fun. Stephen Peterson is back. He's fighting young Chase Hooper, who will be on what the heck this week. Eric Anders versus Darren Stewart, that rematch.

Yeah. Run it back. And then the AK Lee People's Main Event Panny Kanzad versus Alexis Davis will kick us off 135 pounds.

The resurgents Alexis Davis Next week is going to be so freaking crazy PFL Holy Colerisha Sheld's debuting Anthony Pettis is coming back Brandon Longney

Kayla Harrison Is that the next week's card? No no No, I don't think so No that's two weeks So I apologize My apologies Another

This is Pettis The Pettis is fighting. And the PFL card is pretty good. And then got that Belladro card right after. No, Dougie Limes is fighting. You know what's going to be even Wednesday? What's Wednesday?

Like two media days. You got a media day. I got a media. But listen. But listen, don't worry about it. No, no, no, no. Don't worry about it. You can live stream Jose's.

I will tape mine and then I will send them over. So we don't have to worry about it. We're going to have different interviews. All different. conversations. The social team that will be clipping up all of these videos, send the social team just like a six pack of beer to get us through. Dude, you got it. Before we, I know we got to sign off soon, but I don't know if I'm going to get a chance

to say this. So I don't say this, this is for you, PFL. This is time for you, you guys, the PFL. Get your, get your scheduling right, because this isn't right. Clay Collard beats Anthony Pettis, definitively beats Anthony Pettis. And then he's the first. And Anthony Pettis is headlining this show and Clay Collard is the first prelim and the same thing with Caitlin Young. Caitlin Young picks up a really good win over Cindy Dandwa.

Now, Cindy Dandauai is headlining that show against Kayla Harrison, the 17th show, I think, against Kayla Harrison. And Caitlin Young is opening up the prelims. So I'm a little biased because I interviewed both fighters, not that they're great interviews, I really enjoyed it.

I was really excited to see them win and to see them relegated for their victories, after their victories, to the first fight on the prelims of their respective What? Come on, Pia. I understand name value.

I know Pettus is a bigger name than Clay Collard, but can we have some merit talk? Could he not at least get on the main card? No. No. It's just insane. It's not how life works. This is punishing for beating Anthony Pettus.

Yeah. Is Bubba Jenkins on the main card? Yeah, he is on the main card. Yes. Yeah. I'm looking at typology, but I don't know if that's a correct fight. As far as I know, but I think Clarissa Shields fight goes into the Bob Jenkins fight. goes into okay

is canerson not the main event no common you sure no third fight third fight oh wow well yeah I don't think she's the main I spoke to her opponent Britney Elkyn and she was under the impression that it was the main but I did I checked it in with the PFL and I think they said

they couldn't confirm that so I think I think Pettis is the main event I think Pettis is the man I mean he's the main event of this week's card for sure the 10th I believe he is and then I think Bobba Jenkins and Bobby Moffitt is the co-main, and I think Claire Shields is the third fight. Dude, Marchine held and the Canadian gangster on the PFL card.

That's a great fight. That's a great fight. Lance Palmer. Look, I support the PFL out of love. I'm like number one PFL advocate guy every year. I think the PFL is really good, and I think more people should watch it. And look, where else do you go to know how fast someone is punching? Speed strikes.

Every time I watch tonight, I'm like, I'm like, wow, gosh, was that punch 12 miles an hour? was 11 miles an hour, I wouldn't have to ask if I was watching the PFL. There'd be a graphic on screen telling me. So UFC, come on. Let's get some. Grounded panel was 11.6 miles an hour.

Dang. What was the PSI on that choke? Like, what was the PSI on it? She didn't tap? Because I saw I got any PFL. There was a PSI of like 50 and he didn't tap. So, oh, no. No, don't play me off.

I will say, PFL's broadcast team is phenomenal. Really good. Florian They spent a copious amount of money on their arena or cage or whatever They have like a screen that goes like 360 degrees around the top

It's like a million dollars Pretty insane Wow And Sean O'Connell I think Is the most underrated Play-by-Play guy in MMA And he's a former fighter Which is even crazier

He had a radio show in Utah for a long time So he got he got reps in So like people assume we just jumped into it, but he got a lot of reps in before he hopped over to PFL. Yeah, and it shows. They're not about it. Well, you know what that music means. It means it's time to go.

We covered this event quite a bit, but don't worry. You think the weekend's over? The biggest winners, in my opinion, are Floyd Mayweather and Logan Paul. Because they're getting all the attentions on them. Well, we'll say, walk away with his win bonus? Find out tomorrow on showtime. Godspeed, everybody. For Casey, Jose, A.K. I'm Mike Heck.

Pleasant dreams. Pleasant dreams. Happy birthday, AK. Have it. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.