MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 30 Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: June 27, 2021

With UFC Vegas 30 in the books, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Jose Youngs and E. Casey Leydon react to the top storylines coming out of Saturday’s event at the UFC APEX, including Ciryl Gane’s dominant decision win over Alexander Volkov in the heavyweight headliner. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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How about that? The sun is still out. There's still plenty of time to enjoy the day or night. And Cyril Gone is now 9-0 as a professional mixed martial artist. He defeats Alexander Kolkopf. I scored all five rounds for Cyril Gone. And I was super impressed. I was very impressed, very smart game plan.

Volkov couldn't really get anything going. Gan just was patient at the right times. He got aggressive at the right times. I thought his approach to this fight was brilliant, if we're being honest. So congratulations to him. Now 6 and 0 on the UFC. Unfortunately, the timing for him was not great. But, you know, maybe he could be a backup fighter for the upcoming fight between France and Gano and Derek Lewis whenever that happens.

But we are here at the UFC 50 post-fight show. my kid just sneezed so loud. It, like, rattled my brain. Oh, my gosh. But I am I-Kek. I do not do this alone. We got Jose Youngs joining us. How are you, Jose?

Did you enjoy the fights? I enjoyed the fights, and it's not even 5 p.m. And we're doing a post show, so I'm not complaining. A coffee machine broke this morning. So that was the only negative today so far. Ah, that is super unfortunate. If people know, if people, if people, if people, if people, have met me. They know how just debilitating that is to my, my day to day life.

Yes, I know that. No doubt about it. And we have E. Casey Lyden on the ones and twos. Did not get a tweet on the broadcast for the 413th consecutive card. How are you doing, buddy? I don't know. My coffee, my coffee maker is working just fine. Well, I guess I have to leave now. On his way to Casey's house to tell me about, tell me more about who, how you. your life is better, Casey. I haven't, nope. Where do we start? Do we start?

Where do we start? Oh, we only have an hour for this. So what? Bro, doesn't even have to button his top button and he thinks he's better than me. Where do we start? Should we just start at the main event or should we start with the co-main event? I mean, there's a lot happened. This card kind of flew under the radar.

It was really fun in a lot of ways. We had a little bit of everything, some good finishes, some good. fights. We had some bad finishes. We had an unfortunate no contest. We had some controversy in the co-made event, which I'm sure we'll touch on because there's some new developments in that story, which we'll get to. Bulletstar with Cyril Gunn, Jose. I thought he fought a brilliant fight. This was the kind of performance you needed against a very dangerous and very large man in Alexander Volkov. I thought Gone looked incredible. I like the way he kept switching stances, kept going to the legs, kept going to the body.

And like I said earlier, I thought he got aggressive at the right times, but he stayed patient at the right times. And he was clearly, at least in my eyes, was frustrating Volkov. Like, he was just outside of Volkov's range. And Alexander landed some good shots throughout the fight, but not a ton of them. And I just felt like Gan was kind of frustrating him and then returning with some really good counter shots and just some really good aggressive activity when it was needed. What did you think of his performance overall?

I would define it as measured aggression. It was clearly more aggressive and pushing forward than his previous fight against Giusea Nia Rosenstrik. I'm not going to say he took those words like the criticism in the heart because he doesn't strike me as the individual to really listen to the naysayers and change his entire game plan completely. But I just think he game plans perfectly for Alex Volkov.

Like Volkov, like as the broadcast said a million times in the pre-fight show on ESPN Plus, that Volkov really uses his range better than most heavyweights. Like I think that was the big knock on Stephistry. He was seven foot tall, but didn't fight like he was seven foot tall. Alex Volkov is almost seven foot tall and fights exactly like that. Like he uses his distance well. He throws a lot of kicks.

He's just, he puts that snap the end of his punches that you can't really expect from someone that's like that long and ranging. I just think Cyril Gahn just pushed forward, avoided a lot of those shots, came in when he needed to. And he's throwing that weird, like, slapping kick that I don't think anyone was expecting.

I saw a lot of people tweeting about it. Even they were talking, I actually turned on the broadcast for that fight, and they were talking about that a lot like that. Kick that came across the side, but he was still hitting Volkov with the top of his foot, like he was kicking a soccer ball out of the air. So very interesting approach to the game, and I can't wait to see what he does against someone

that hits as hard as Franciscan or Derek Lewis. But again, I have no idea what's next for him, because what is he? Who's left to fight a heavyway? Stepe, I don't think Steepa is going to fight him, so it might just be a way and see the approach for Seril gone. Yeah, I think it's kind of either hope you get Steepay or you hope that you can weigh in

and maybe be the backup for the title fight when that actually gets booked. Other than that, I just don't know where he goes, Casey, but I was impressed with Seril Gan. Yeah, that fight, yeah, it went differently than I thought it was going to go. I like to, I think Jose, you know, sort of introduced it perfectly. Measured, what was it? Measured violence.

What was it? Would you say? Yeah. Measured aggression. Measured aggression. I thought that that's perfect. What say you? Yeah, measured aggression.

I like that term. Unfortunately, I think for Dana White and UFC brass, measured aggression, they call that boring. I mean, I didn't see, I saw just a slightly more active version of gone from the same gone that beat up. Rosenstruck for five rounds. I did pick Volkov in this, but nothing kind of surprised me. Gone is actually just making just slow improvements.

I know Gone and Volkov about the same age, but obviously in Cage's experiences, a big gap. But no, gone looked good. Gone, he never puts himself in trouble. He never puts himself in bad spots, which is very impressive. and when he did get hit big by Volkov, took it, took a step back, just didn't do any any desperate, no, take down attempts or anything when he did get touched up. Just, Gansche's a really smart, intelligent fighter, and he's going to be a tough out for everyone.

Yeah, that was a great win for him. Again, it's going to be tough. Yeah, but the problem kind of what we said going into this, though, to me, I mean, yeah, you had the guys at the top, then you have Volkov, then you have gone. Okay, they switch spots, but I think they're still kind of in the same spot relatively to, in terms of fighting for the belt. So, and each guy has, well, at least gone now, still has one more fight. And like you said, maybe a backup fight, but that's not really a title shot.

I mean, what are you, you're hoping, you know, hoping Francis is gone or twist his knee, you know, a week before the fight, you know, so not you, but you know what I mean. So I think we're just kind of the same spot, which is kind of what kind of hampered this card coming into it. You know, there's just no high stakes, you know, what we expect for a main event. That's about it. Yes. So, yeah, I mean, there's really no aftermath talk because you just, I mean, you just basically, you planted your flag before the fight and your flag just kind of stays where it is. It doesn't really go anywhere.

So good win for Cyril God. And that was kind of the lipist test in my eyes to see if this guy, you know, you know, is the real deal. I mean, I felt pretty confident that he was the real deal, but this one kind of put it over the edge for me. So I think in the eyes of a lot of fans, he took that next step tonight. So while he may not rise in the rankings,

he rises right here where it really matters. That's what matters. That's what pays the bills. That's a big. So that's zero gone. Of course, when you have a heavyweight main event, you got to have a heavyweight co-made event.

That is the new trend here in the UFC. So Tanner Bozer fights Ovin-Saint-Pru, and I feel like this is the right time to discuss what we alluded to at the beginning of this program. The storyline coming out of this fight will continue on, and I will explain in a matter of moment. So for those of you who watch the fight, and I know I sent out a tweet,

and I know Jose sent out a kind of similar tweet, where we talked about the officiating of one Jason Herzog about how he didn't do that great of a job. And MMA, Twitter sometimes will either have a positive outlook or they'll have a negative outlook. And immediately, when you say something criticizing the referee, you don't look deep enough. You just say, oh, you're calling Tanner Bozer a cheater because he grabbed the fence, although he clearly didn't grab the fence. Let me just say that when I put that tweet out, it had nothing to do with the fence grab or the lack thereof. I had no issue with it.

Even if he grabbed the fence and got away with it, fine. I don't care. That stuff doesn't bother me. What bothered me was the fact that Jason Herzog thought it was a fence grab, and he went in and touched, definitely touched OSP, maybe touched Tanner Bozer too. And to me, like when you do that, that's like, all right, stop. Like stop fighting, pause in the action. And then everything just kind of turned from there. Tanner Bozer gets back to his feet, lands a shot, lands the big knee, and the fight is over.

So there's some breaking news here. It's not official on MA fighting, but I, I, I. can confidently say this because I know for a fact, Owen St. Prue will be appealing the TKO loss of Tanner Bozer. I have a statement from Mr. St. Prue that reads like this. Quote, I felt the ref put his hand on my back, which is only done to pause the action or call a finish. I slightly paused and then the tie turned.

We will be protesting and requesting a no contest. So just minutes after the fight ended, OSP talked to his coach, talked to his manager, Orrin Hodak. They came to this decision together. They're appealing. I don't know if anything will come of it, but probably won't. But had nothing to do with Tanner, had nothing to do with the quote-unquote fence grab. It had everything to do with Jason Herzog going in there and putting his hands on the fighters, at least OSP.

And I went back and watched it a few different times to see if he actually touched Tanner Bozer. I couldn't tell. You can't really tell because of the angle because you can't see Hurstok. Herzog's right arm to where like Bose are sitting against the cage, but he definitely puts his hand on OSPs back. Which I think is all that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So OSP. So because of that and nothing else, that's why he's appealing and wants it overturned or no contest. So does he have a gripe, Casey? Yes. I mean, it is a gripe. I think Jason Herzog is actually the best ref in the sport.

But hey, even, even whoever, the best basketball player is, I don't know who is. I don't follow sports ball. But even that guy airballs every once in a while, you know? So, like me criticizing Jason Herzog isn't, I'm not saying he's a bad ref. Like you said, they're humans. And I did think that changes to fight. And that led to the finish.

I mean, we've, I doubt they're going to overturn it, but I'm not like, I can't believe OSB is doing this. It makes sense. And, yeah, it's just. It just kind of sucks, unfortunate. You know, there was a few unfortunate events that happened on this car, but we'll get bored to it later. But, yeah, this is just one of those unfortunate things.

And the only reason I don't want it overturned, because that means does Tanner lose his money? I know it just sucks. I mean, but OSP lost a lot of money, too. Because he knows how, you know, so. I got to watch the replay again and again and again. Because I saw it a couple of times, but then people were like, yeah. But it's really interesting because, like you said,

the focus of the appeal. is the stoppage of the fight. And I'm pretty sure when the fighters are backstage and the refs talk to me, because if I touch you, things like that, you know, you pay attention, you stop your action. So. Yeah, I actually think he has a grape here.

I don't think I know if it's going to get overturned or turned or no contest, but I think it's definitely worth getting looked at, Josea, your thoughts on this appeal from one, open St. Prue? We lost you, Jose. Oh, for crapes sake. It happens to me too.

It happened me on the freaking people's pew fat show. Jose, I'm going to disconnect you and you could reconnect because it looks pretty bad right now. All right. So we'll wait for Jose to come back. And while we await that, and then we'll go to the peeps in a matter of moments, we have bonuses Casey we have bonuses my favorite part of the night where I get extremely disappointed what do we got what do you think oh not and there is a fight of the night by the way okay there's a fight of night okay well fight night's easy I think but a fight of night is um

Timor versus honey or honey Barcelona Hione hioni sorry that is that fight a night fight tonight yes okay good has advertised that fight ruled on paper and um came it delivered performances ooh when I'm forgetting women forgetting there's a lot of good there's a lot of good performances

they could go to a lot of people to be honest oh man Jose who got performances I got to think about this for a moment let me look

let me look what do we think you think there's a fight of the night there is fine of night there was yeah Barcellus Falleye of his fight of the night Yeah, I was going to say that's probably fight of the night. And then I would say.

Rachmanoff. Rockmanoff and maybe Moikano. Casey, your guess. No, I'd lie. I'm going to go rockmanoff. And I'm just because we're not going to talk about this fight too much, but I just want to mention Julia Villas just for their barn burner. So all four of you're incorrect.

All four names are incorrect. Is it Kennedy Angicou? That's one. Yeah, I was going to change the mind, yeah. I don't understand how they pick him? I thought Hanata Moikano deserved a bonus. That was one of my picks on the pre-fight show. I have no issue of Mochauno getting it, yeah.

The other one, which is kind of forgotten and everything that has happened since, but it was so ferocious and nasty. Welles? Prachio. Body kick. Oh, poor Ike. That one, like, hurt my soul to watch him fall down like that. That was a nasty body kick, really nasty.

So they each get $50,000. Congratulations to them. Submissions almost never get it. Oh, well. I know. I thought Avila should have been up there. That was a crazy fight. That could have been fight of the night, too.

That was a great fight. It was on his way. There had some crazy exchanges. That was a super good fight. But yeah. But then Barcellos and Valley had to go in there and beat Bannamweens. Yeah. It could just be 35ers.

Yeah. Just all these 135ers, just, you know. that fight was tremendous. So congratulations to them, 50 G's. Of course, Timor Valleyev gets the majority decision. Agree with that. I know a lot of people thought it might have been a draw because, again, we have this conversation,

every freaking post-fight show. Every show. The difference between a 10-9 and a 10-8, Barcello's having the most impactful moments in that entire fight drops Valiyev with that nasty uppercut twice, had him in big trouble. Hard drops, not just like, oh, I fell over.

just like, ugh, yeah. Very close to finishing in the second round. Valleyev, kudos to him for hanging in there, but only one judge game of 10-8. Yeah. Did you score that? Was that a draw on your eyes, Casey? Yeah, I thought it was a pretty easy draw. I thought it was kind of clear.

I don't know. Yeah, I get the fight was the second round was competitive or maybe even Timor was winning that second round up until, up until he got dropped twice and was just barely surviving. Yeah, I thought that should have been a draw. And that's, yeah, it was a clear 10-8 to me. Yep. But just hell of a fight. I say come into this, these two gentlemen are top-10 bantam weights that just aren't top-10 bantam weights yet.

That's all. Yeah. And then a nice little promo from Timor Vallev. I dug it, good on him. Andre Feeley, my God, may have had a 10-7 round in the first. That was insane. but unfortunately we had an eye poke and a no contest

so we have no definitive ending to that fight and I feel like that sorry I feel like that I wasn't opening because of the damage it took from the first round not from the actual eye poke itself you know because like he got you know he got beat up he got kicked in the side of that face in that first round so but that's how it goes

fortunate Tim Means now has won three in a row beats defeats Nicholas Dalby good fight Hanato Moikano, I thought, deserved a bonus. I mean, that was one-way traffic, just annihilated Jai Herbert in route to a rear-neaked-choke-submission win. He's back in the wind column after the loss to Hafielfaziv. Kennedy, Inzekiel, I will get that.

Kendukwu. Henchuku, that's what it is. Enderkuu. Yeah, something to that effect. Danilo Marquez probably won the first two rounds, too. But again, you know, you just got to do more. You can't just sit and can't burn yourself out in the body, in a standing body triangle for two rounds.

Poor Dinello Marquez and his, in his shifting cup. That thing was like behind him. Remember, like he was on his bag? I was like, what is sticking out of his butt? I was like, oh, that's his cup. I was like, and as soon as the round ended, he was like, digging in. I don't know if anyone saw on the international feed,

they showed his cornerman basically sticking their hand, you know, fixing his cup. Yeah, he had serious cup issues going into that fight. What a bad night for him. It was a very good night for Shafkat Rachmanoff. He improves to 14 and O. This dude is a savage. He's a beast.

And I remember having conversations with one Daniel Rubinstein over the last year or so. And he's said on multiple occasions to me via text message that he believes Shafkat Rokmanov might be the best fighter in his entire stable right now. And he's got a lot of very good fighters on his roster right now. He was in his corner. He's got a Michael. his corner freaking uh hobby off disease physique yeah he's got fizziv he's got peter yon he's got uh michael kiesza he's got a number

of very good fighters on his roster and he there's there's a very good chance that rock monoff could be the the overall best of the best so good win for him another submission win great performance jeremiah wells that was insane what a debut for him that was the one fight i didn't see any of can you what happened it well i know wells one by knockout. Wells is a wild man. He came out like just guns blazing and in the second round they had this like weird like collision and Wells landed like a short punch and just dropped Worley and he landed a couple shots while he was on top of him and Worley was sleeping man. Great performance of Jeremiah Wells about a minute 30 seconds into the second round gets the finish.

Martine Pratch. You know like we just talked about he got a bonus that nasty body kick. Julie Obula back in the wind calm third round submission win over Julie. Stoli-Ranko, great fight. Charles Rosa. Can we talk about the ending of this fight? Poor Justin Jains. I mean, this guy puts his entire purse on himself. Makes it public.

Tells the world. Makes it public. Has Charles is down two rounds. There's no doubt about it. He's down two rounds. He has Rosa badly hurt. Badly hurt. If he just stood there and threw like 10 more punches,

may have won the fight. And then he shoots for the takedown. and a collective grow from the NBA community. It was the takedown was so bad fight IQ, unfortunately, that they even, usually the UFC when they show reactions, it's the reactions to big knockouts. They actually showed the reaction from all the commentators of the takedown attempt. And they just go, no.

It was like, I felt so bad for him. I felt so bad for, uh, I don't know. Really good fight, though. It was a good fight. Charles Rosa. continues his crazy stretch that Jose brought up during the preview show yesterday, that he is yet to have a winning streak or a losing streak in the agency. It was on between the links.

I wasn't on the preview show. That's right. So Boston Strong wins another one outside the TD Garden. I think that's what second win outside the Godin? Correct. And then Demir Hadzovich with unanimous. He's only ever won in Las Vegas and Boston. He's never won anywhere else.

and Yancey almost got that comeback at the very end that was the what a great curtain jerker yeah Yanty almost said that joke that Demir got saved by the bell there's news coming in no I'm just doing

I'm balancing like 50,000 things what do the peeps say let's go to the peeps and let's see how they're reacting to this so what were the one more time what were the bonuses I want to make a nice graphic for our followers A fight of the night was Hione Barcelos versus Timor Valleyev

performances of the night, Kennedy and Martine Prachino. Got you. I like Kennedy, Angicou. He's a fun interview. Yeah, he's, I mean,

his story's crazy, man. I chat with him for a, I chatted with him for a bit when I was in Las Vegas when he fought Carlos Oldberg because I interviewed Carlos on Fight Island before he got into the UFC, so I interviewed Kennedy in Las Vegas,

And he was, yes, sir, thank you, sir. Thank you for the interview, sir, kind of guy. But he was very well-spoken. After his win, he goes, everyone at city kickboxing keeps their head straight up in the air. And I'm going to punch him in the face a lot. And that's exactly what he did. That's not exactly how the fight went. Against Carlos Olberg, it was.

Carlos Olberg eventually got extremely tired and then started throwing punches from his waist. Well, I understand that. But if you watch... I understand. But if you watch that whole fight, Carlos Olberg was... His defense was eating punches between the eyes. And then eventually he got tired.

But if you watch that first round, he got punched a ton. He just... Kennedy just didn't punch him hard. He just punched him a hundred times between the eyes. And so he pretty much did exactly what he said. He just... I don't think he expected Oliver

to hit him as hard as he did. Yeah. But Kennedy's toughness. He just like... He just liked to get his butt kick either from the grappling or getting punched a lot for two rounds. And was it the third round? Yeah, the third round he got to come back win.

Like, that kid's special. I like him. Yeah. And I said something like this on the people's pre-fight show. Like, I understood, I mean, I understood, like, beating Carlos Oldberg, like, in that fight, like, gave him a lot of buzz. And I understood that. I didn't understand why he was the favorite in that fight. against Marquez.

I thought Marquez could have been the favorite. But I'm telling you, man, and I know it's kind of cliche and a lot of young fighters say this, but I really mean this when it comes to Kennedy. You better fight that man now. Fight him now because if you wait two years to fight this guy

and he continues to get better or better or better, man, he's got so much potential. Sealing is extremely high. Especially down there and, Fordus, you know, he's only going to get better. Yeah, I mean, Marquez, I mean, he legitimately, he should have won that fight. I mean, he was on his way to winning, but he just, you know, just couldn't, I'm not even, what did Marquez do?

He, Damien Maid him. He Damien, yeah, that's in, then he got tired. And he got punched, he got tired and got punched, two things you don't want to happen here. Oh, who's, I mean, how do you say the coach's name? Dave, Say, Say, Say, Say, Suid. Yeah. Good job on the UFC production staff. I think in between rounds two and three,

they focused on Sayud's corner advice, and he told Kennedy exactly what to do. Throw lots of punches, but don't throw of power. Just keep throwing. And that's what Kennedy came out and did, and he won the fight in the next 30 seconds. Didn't throw any big overhand. Didn't go crazy.

Didn't waste a bunch of energy. Just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. All accurate. Everything is super accurate. Boom. Great coaching. Great execution by Kennedy. listening to this coaching making adjustments that late into a fight when you're down that's um that's a

future future contender right there i like it agreed no question so uh yes yeah i mean it's just simple like something i mean this is happening way too often so uh something needs to be done who is it trevor whitman has been trying to like develop a glove like this like why are we why aren't we already did He already did. He already did. He may, it's, it's good to go. He just, he has said, he, like, other promotions could use it if they, if I'm sure.

But he himself said, like, I'm not going to put it out there until the UFC uses it first. Basically, he wants to give UFC first dibs. Yes. Why are we in, why aren't we in the boardroom, like, once every, once a month to figure this out and try to use these gloves? I'm not sure the, the man, the glove manufacturers, the UFCR for a long time used to be central. MMA gloves and I'm not a big fan of them. They just, they're really stiff, basically. Like the, just like the,

the, the Sami, they make the rising gloves, the pride gloves. They have a natural curb to them. So when your hands are kind of out here, they'll naturally curve like normal, but everyone's like the sentry gloves are so stiff. They just kind of naturally make your hands out like this. And even poor surreal gone, DC's all like, see, he's doing it right?

He's framing correctly. And then, of course, in the fifth round, he finally sticks his, six two fingers in Volkov's eye. So even a very disciplined fighter like Cyril Ghan, he couldn't even, you know, get away from the Ipokes. So yes, the answer is yes. How we need conversations at least. You know what gloves absolutely suck though?

McGregor Fast gloves. If anyone tries them, they're terrible. Like you break your wrist in one punch. Oh, they're terrible. Go to McGregorfast.com and find out of your own. Unless they've done a major overhaul, I've put a pair on and I like punched a bag. I'm like, I'm going to shatter my wrist in these things.

I've never felt something like this before in my life. But you know what? It's so funny. Like it's the whole like sour milk thing. Like, oh, this milk tastes horrible. You got to try it. And as soon as you said that, I was like, okay, I want to try those gloves on and punch something. Let me see how much it hurts.

It was honestly like they might have done a complete overhaul because I know Connor was tweeting about how great they are, which he has to do because they're his gloves. But I tried them. Pass. You know which ones You know what's ones you should try Casey That are really good engaged Engaged gloves

Really? Those are really Really good gloves Like I My hands weren't even wrapped I just had the glove on Nice And I was punching

And it just felt Like I don't I would never take a fight Without wrapping my My wrist But if I had to choose one glove To not wrap my wrist It would probably be that

I felt like structurally sound I never wanted to engage gear I'm really interested in that. It's really, they're really good. They're really, really high quality stuff. All right.

Yeah. This was an ad. We're just talking. Okay. We're being brought to you by. Most likely to get a title shot first. Cyril gone or Marcyne Tybora. I mean.

Unless Tybore takes it for 50 bucks. Maybe the UFC might go that way. Not sure. I mean, it's got to be gone. But still, I mean, it's not,

it might not happen until, 2022, like late 2022 at the earliest of this point. So. Is gone Tyber a possibility that I stay busy fight for gone? Hmm. No. No.

No. I don't. I think Cyril gone. If he has a bite one more time? I don't know. Is he? That's it steepe? Yeah, it's the only one.

He's literally only one ranked higher right now. Yeah, so unless it's steep. It's steep. If you give him a stay busy fight, I think Tiberg makes sense. Stipe has said he's taking time off to get big, like physically bigger. So if he rematches Francis, he's like a physically bigger man. The only, like he already beat Giorzino. Curtis Blades is out there.

But I think a lot of people just said it should be Giorzino and Blades. Rankings-wise and like Cyril Gons, what, third now? Like he would be, any fight he takes next would be fighting down. Yeah, I mean, but that's what happens unless you fight. The only. only thing I can see is like if you if the world opens up again and they give him like a main defense spot over in Europe against another European then maybe especially if it's in France but he said he pretty much only want to fight Francis if it's for the title because they

used to be training partners yeah so um yeah but it's the answer is Cyril gone to answer sure there's a comeback of the year what do we have what are some other good comeback seepad this year. Where's my list? Do I have a list of that? I don't have a list. Yeah, I might have to go to the comments. If you guys can think of some good comebacks,

you're missing it, but that was an excellent comeback. So I'm not sure. Let me see. There's not a good comebacks this year. I can't think of any right now. It was a heck of a comeback. I don't know. Oh, here we go.

If God was warned about fingers, eye pokes, How is there not a point deducting roughout? Listen, that's, how many times have we talked about, like, blatant fouls not getting point deductions?

Was it last week that there is a, I mean, multiple fence grabs in one fight, like egregious ones? And wasn't, was it Beltran? Was it Beltran? Who was the one that just kept warning

over and over and over again and then didn't take a point? I'm trying to remember which, which fight it was. Must have been like a heavyweight fight. Do we think should have gone, I mean, it wasn't a changed outcome of the fight, luckily. But should have been a point deducted? I don't know.

That's why I don't know. I love half point deductions. I love half point deductions. I know they don't do that, but I really think this is like the perfect example where gone, shouldn't got a full point deducted. They could have really changed the fight. Say if it really was 2-2 going into the fifth round or something like that. But a half-point deduction doesn't change the outcome of the fight, but it is a on the record very, you know, for real, you know, penalty for a rule of fraction, accidental or not,

or reckless, rather. When I say, when people say intentional eye poke, I think more the term we're looking for is a reckless kind of eye poke. I love this event. Don't care. There are no high stakes. Each fight was fun at 7.29 a.m. now. I'm still up watching the post-fight show because the event energized me.

Yes, Sheila. That's what's up. It was a good event. It was a good event. Thank you for your enthusiasm, Zia. It's Sheila. We like it. We like it. Jeremiah A.K. Battle of light heavyweight

at heavyweight. Gustafsson versus OSP. I don't hate it. I saw a lot of people saying OSP is going to be cut. Is there, is there people going to, oh, OSP is going to be released? Do you think, is there, like, is this last fight in this contract or what's going on?

Just two losses in a row? Or is it three losses in a row for OSP? Is it three out of four? Two straight. Yeah. To a straight. He hasn't looked overly good in any of his major, any of his losses. He hasn't looked good.

Okay. Yeah. It is, yeah. Oh, yeah. He got smacked up by Jamal Hill, but, like, I know there was a lot going into that. Like, he should have pulled out, but, uh, what is it got smacked up by Jamal Hill. What? And then he lost a split to Ben Rothwell.

Yeah. And then he has, like, a Von Flew and a knockout. So, like, killer be killed for, oh, OSP. I think I think just fans were kind of and maybe the announcers were kind of, I don't know, put off the right word, but like OSP's kind of sense of lack of enthusiasm in round one. Did you think, did you have, were you concerned of that or is that just, you know, Ovent St. Pooh being Ovent St. Pooh being Ovent St. Patient. I think that's how he's been for a lot of his fights in general. I think, yeah, I thought that.

Like even, look at his last. I even mentioned on the broadcast, too. Like he starts slow. I even ask him about him about him. and that's what he does. His, well, like, his men of field, and I know I'm never going to pronounce the name right, the Von Flukeke he got.

I think it was somewhere in Europe. I know I missed that card, but they were both second round stoppage wins, right? So, like, even his stoppage wins are past the first round. I'm pretty sure even a lot of his stoppage losses are in the second round. So it's how it goes. All right. I like OSB.

He's a funny guy. Me too. I like that. I spend a lot of time with. him in Bangor, Maine. He has a lot of, obviously, he has a lot of brands on his arms. And Bangor, Maine is not used to large black men with tattoos and brands walking around. So the amount of, the amount of eyeballs that he was getting was, that he was, he thought was funny. Open St. Brew, like, I remember him from the Strike Force days. And, um, yeah, I would say,

I want to say he's, he's quite the overachiever in this sport. I just didn't expect Oven St. Prue to be around this long at such a high level, honestly. And great on him. I just, when I first saw him, I was like, okay, you know, he's good, you know, whatever ex-football player, you know, I get it. But yeah. And it's not even like, in this fight did have its controversy too. So I hope, I just hope we see Ovin, St. Prue, get one more fight. And, you know, that's all.

And we really get to. I think D.C. said it a few times that he always felt like Ovin, St. Prue was the victim of a really, what do you call it? like raw talent that's naturally gifted that's just in the wrong camp because he was always the man in his camp in tennessee so like if he went to a k a or jackson's or a t t and like had those bodies to push him he probably could have been something so misha serkenoff is the same exact way from what i hear in canada like his gym is really small and he's just the man and he if he had like spent a bunch of time and try a star maybe but again i i don't know what his situation is speaking has serkenoff and osp fought ever that would be a fun fight is osb is these still training in tennessee i don't know i believe so yeah

i believe so yeah i think i think dc does have a point there i think at this level you just your coaches can only do so much you just need now you just need really high level bodies around you so yeah that'll be well we'll see what's thanks for osb for sure uh let's get a couple more and yeah i like circanoff or it's ozp i think that's a fun fight too i'm down This is such a casey question. We always talk about it. No, I know,

because you just tweeted it. Oh, yeah, you asked, you asked a PFL was the best event of the weekend. It might be. It might be. Sorry.

I know, ultimately like top to bottom and I know there's like some holes and there's some controversy. I felt like this card was the best of the three. I'm pure. I'm pure high, high level fighting and, uh,

it was, PFL I'm not the big I'm not a big PFL fan and they kind of their their fights impressed me the quality of the fights impressed me the Saturday but I'll still go

sorry Friday I think overall at top the bottom I still go of UFC but like I said like this card but we say going into this card even though this card didn't have high stakes you have big storylines we all like the card we like the fights we like the fighters on the card so the card

I think the cards, BFL and the UFC card delivered. I think Belator card delivered too. So, I think, I think actually every promotion had it. Every promotion did great this weekend. They did fine. Sometimes you don't need to compete. You just have a good card and fight fans win. Yay.

That's right. And we got BKFC. I don't like this whole comparing all the promotions anyway because it gets everyone nowhere. Just watch, just have a fun time. So who won this weekend? I actually, the fans. Yes.

When I asked, when I asked the question on between the links, like, which of these three was, like, the most storyline-ridden event? I actually, like, thought it was PFL with Kayla, with with Pettus, how interesting that was. You know, will Lance Palmer get into it? Like, I just thought, like, there's more more in the story, like in the aftermath. Like, there's more to discuss. Not that, like- Outside of those three, what are the other big stories without looking at the card? in which in pfl six like i'm not arguing with you i'm just playing devil i just would like to play devil's

advocate because i wasn't on any of the preview or post shows or preview or fan q and aes like i agree like but for me and this is like the anthony peddice fight to me of all the fights on this card had i was most intrigued to the storyline his fight specifically 100% i was not i was absolutely not interested in kela harrison and cind jangelo because i think we all knew what was going to happen is exactly what happened. So it's like, I'm going to watch a gorilla just destroy a human being inside this cage. And then the Lance Palmer fight was interesting solely off of his comments pre-fight. I wasn't interested in the fight, like the actual.

Like the Lance Palmer fight I was interested in in terms of like Lance Palmer is an awesome fighter. And he's a very fun interview. And he's a multi-millionaire from PFL. But I was more invested in that fight off of the interviews he was giving about how his relationship with the PFL has deteriorated also because of what his dad was saying and the pfl put out that comment about his dad and everything i was more interested in that but the anthony pettis fight solely was more interesting and had the biggest storyline than any fight this weekend for me outside of that i think uh uh the ufc probably had more interesting

storylines for me but anthony pettis was at the top and he lost i just love lisa becheco having the biggest knockout of the weekend i think of all the cards yeah was her or Liz two good gales from the ladies Yeah Even though I didn't know very much about the other city boxing Kickboxer

MMA fighter Janine Fabian She's another Yeah, she's another male phone 55 She had a great knockout Yeah Yeah so everyone won We can everyone won

Well except the fighters are lost They lost That sucks for them Uh Do do do let me see Do you think Gond will dust and Ghanu See that's an interesting interesting fight because there's a story there.

Former friends. Former teammates. I think they're still friends. I think it's Cyril Gahn's coach and Francis that have the big issues. Cyril Gahn was more than cause. Because I chatted with Cyril Gahn for a bit on Futt Island because remember his fight fell off. So we had a bunch of time to just kind of hang about the fighter hotel.

He's very complimentary of Francis. Like he's like, I only want to fight him is for the title. Like I would love to fight Francis in France and everything like that. I think it's more Cyril. I mean, Francis and Cyrilin's coach that have the issue, which I think would make it even more interesting. Because his, what was it, Fernand has a lot of insight into Francis's rise, obviously, but now he's just a completely different fighter.

So I think it would be a pretty even playing field. I like the fight. Be interesting. Oh, I love the fight. I honestly will watch fight France fight any top 10 heavyweight. Like he's kind of has that mystique to me. like he could kill a human being with one punch. I would love this.

I think God needs that kind of definitive fight. Yeah. I think this wasn't the definitive fight to get him that title shot, unfortunately, for him. But once he gets that, I really hope to see that fight because, like I said, I would, we haven't seen a fighter beaten up before. I don't know it sounds weird. But I, like, I was picking Volkov in this fight, but then I was, as I was watching the fight, I've seen Bolkoff get knocked out you know everyone gets hurt in fights

but I've never seen Gahn get hurt in a fight you know I've never seen him really rocked on wobbly legs He was also like that stat at the beginning he's one of three fighters to have zero seconds on his back That's nuts That is nuts Is Gond Blades a horrible fight to bank I don't mean I like it as a high level martial arts competition

I think that would answer a lot of questions of whether Cyril Ghan does well against an extremely high-level wrestler. I think that's more of a question-answering fight, but I don't know why you would take that if you're Serial Gahn and his team. Like, they're already number three. Why are you going to fight a wrestler behind you? Because fighters don't turn down fights. Real fighters fight, man. They don't take down any challenges. And honestly, I think you're okay. I think I think I'm a typical type of gun to take. But I think Steril Gond would be the guy if there's a heavy one in the top five to fight backwards and fight a I think Cyril Ghan would do it. He strikes me as an individual that likes.

What was this? Did you listen to his post-fay-review. He said, I like challenges. Give me the next challenge. I think of all the top five heavyweight, Cyril Gond would be the one to fight a wrestler behind him. Yeah. Right.

So, I mean, so if you're Cyril gone and you're in this position you're in right now where A, you're probably not fighting somebody ahead of you for a while. You probably have to wait for the worst, at best, the losing. of Inganu versus Lewis. If something happens with Rosenstrike and he can't make it to that September fight, UFC 266, I think it is? Do you just step in there and be like, dude, I'm staying active and I'm going to fight this top five guy because he's probably like taking the zombie approach?

Like this is like the only guy left that I can fight or does he just wait? That's kind of the conundrum he's in right now. It's an even more difficult scenario because Tommy didn't have a case. for a title shot and Cyril Gahn probably does. Because as to what Casey said, there's no definitive win, which I completely agree, if it was anyone other than the champion's former teammate. I mean, that's just, they're going to go with the storyline option right there. Any other person, like if it's Curtis Blades rallying off all these ones, he's not going to

fight Francis. Well, he wouldn't fight him anyway. He's already going to, but I don't know. I have no idea what the right answer is. It just depends on if he wants to fight or not. It's up to him. You know what? If gone takes less than, takes less money than Derek Lewis,

we might get in Ngano, Gahn next. I'm just, I don't, it's not the fight I want to see, but, you know, it's not, it's not, it makes sense still, you know. I want that fight in Europe. Yeah, me too. I would, I would really want that. You know, because when Pizzi was doing the A-side with me for so long, he would, like prospects of the air and stuff,

he would routinely say Cyril gone in the, like the European scene. I would want Francis Cyril somewhere over there. All right. Let's talk about another heavyweight, actually. We got this question. Is Moldowski a top five heavyweight in the world? The new military champion.

I have him as a top ten heavyweight for sure. I don't think he's broken top five yet. I think he's the top ten. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I'd say that's fair. He's top ten, top 15. For sure. Yeah.

I wouldn't, he's definitely, I wouldn't put him in the top five. Only because he just had, he hasn't had the opportunity. He's won all his fights, but it's not like he's, you know, Francis and gone of them, you know, all his way to it and Trimbel. He's won competitive fights, which is still very impressive, but which gets you, you know, the top 10 in my book, but top five is a bit of a stretch. But, yeah. If he beats Ryan Bader and unifies the titles, he's close. He's definitely close. I still probably wouldn't put him top five, but he's much closer than he is now, that's for sure.

Did Shadrach Ratmanov didn't win a bonus, right? Nope. No. U.S.C.'s Instagram. Whoever's running UFC social is missing on. Why, they said he got a bonus? They said secured the bag with a money thing. Marcin Pratchieu and Shadrach Rack Rackmanov put on some bonus-worthy performances,

and then they have a video of Kennedy Engikulw. they tagged the wrong dude oh man um okay uh yeah I think we kind of gone versus blades yeah I mean

again blades is booked blades is booked but blades is booked sorry he's fighting Rosenstrike in September oh I didn't know that forgot actually we as MMA fighting first reported Casey Liden come on now

geez um Blades, yeah, I like Blades gone better, but whatever. Hey, you never know. Maybe, maybe, that's a long time. September's not that far away. Three months, wow. That's wild.

Yeah. Gone versus Jones is interesting, but I don't see why Jones would take it. Yeah. Those are fun fights to play on EA, MMA or whatever. EA MMA, remember that? whatever the ufm jones john jones would rather go to bellator and fight fador than fight serial gone that was that was fun uh don't don't get that top of my head

who does a lot right uh do too too too too all right uh too too too more i'm digging the beard my kick i'm just lazy i didn't shave it monday i probably will i do like once a week the head goes like every two days the face i do like once a week and that grows back quick and then I just get lazy Rachmana versus means next I don't hate it

what do we go I don't hate that I like means I always love watching dirty bird Rachmanov's wins are so much more impressive than Hamza Hashamaios I don't like like oh my god they're like close like the name value and the way he did it are so much more impressive to me

than Hamzaa Shamao the only problem is Rockmanoff can't speak English. And I don't view that as a problem whatsoever in society. I'm viewing this as from the UFC's point of view. Dude, my, the answer to me is Santiago Ponsidavio. Don't hate that either, but I don't think Santiago will take it. Well, that's the problem.

Anyone, number 13, like, I mean, but he's fighting someone way behind him. I think you're not that far, though. You're going to find a top. He's 13. I think the, I think, I think, I think San Diego fighting Miguel Baezza was the fight that after that because it was, because remember leading into that fight, he did an interview with Arum Guillermo Guillermo Cruz. He's like, yeah, I'm fighting a prospect. After this, when I show him that there are levels

of this, I'm fighting up higher. Like that, like, San, I don't think, I think eventually that fight will happen, but I don't think right now it'll happen because the last fight, Santiago fought a prospect in the top 15. And he put that performance on. I think he's going to, I think Raqmanov gets a different opponent. If Reckmanov fight someone above him, it's going to be someone that's kind of forced into the fight. Someone like... Correct. Yeah. It's only because they have to take a fight and they're

coming off a loss. He's fights. Then if it's not... I think Ponziadibio is the fight they would try to make. You do Ling Liang or Muslim Salikov. That's it. Why not? I thought people mentioned Salikov, too. Why not? Can't do Jeff Neal? You can't do Balal. You can't do Magny.

Why not? Why can't you do Magni? Because you want to do Magny with Shamiya? That's the fight. I didn't imagine everybody. That's not going to happen either. Is Shemayev healthy? Is he cleared?

He's training. He's training in Vegas right now. That's cool. He can post videos all he wants. Like what, remember his first ever interview that he did is post-fight interview? I'm not an Instagram fighter. I'm actually like this and that.

I'm like, cool. But right now that's what you are. Like I want to like give Rack. Give Rakmanov someone that can actually, that we know can get in there. I think for all this talk of Neil Magni versus Hamza Shemayev, and then what do we all say when we started talking about this, Rackmanov's fights are so much more impressive than Hamzashamayev, and they're actually a welterweight fighting actual welterweights.

Rackmanov versus Neil Magni sounds fun to me. Ain't Sean Brady looking for a fight? Yeah, but no, you don't do that. No. You don't do that. You can't do it. Not yet. I mean, I hate prospect versus prospect fights, but UFC does that all the time.

I like the Ponziabio fight. I get where Ponziabio is coming from. If he's like, dude, I'll fight this by as a guy. But if I win, you get to give me like a vet or something. Like, I get that. But like, I get like where you're coming from Jose with Rachmanoff. Like, if we're going to push somebody and give them the rub, like, let's give it to Rachmanoff and give him the push.

But at the same time, there's like, there's something about. Rachmanoff were like, I'm okay waiting to see him fight. Like, I, like, I was so much, I was so excited that he was fighting today because I hadn't seen him in so long. Like, it wasn't like Shamaif who fought like, every, and he fought once and fought 10 days later and then fought two months later and it was just Shemaya, Shemaya, Shemaya, Shemaya, it was nice to like get a little, you know, just wait for Rachmanov. Like, when's Rokmanov fighting? Oh, now he's fighting. Oh, Rockvato's fighting today. Yay.

It was just nice to like get a little break and I'll watch Rockman. I'll watch. After his fight on Fight Island and his fight tonight, I'll watch Rockman. I'll fight every single weekend and I will be entertained. Yeah. If they did that, I'm cool with it. I just think it's they're in kind of two different scenarios because like the first thing Rockwadoff was like, give you talk, give me a top 15 guy, but I miss my family.

I'm going home for a while. And then, you know, I'll talk to my team down the road and we'll fight again. I don't think he's in a rush to fight like every card like Shamaev was. It kind of sounds like though, and this is a good thing for the UFC in Rachmanoff, but like even though he didn't want a performance bonus, unlike what UFC social media says, he seems to have gone over, you know? He seems to have gone over. He seems to have that it back there.

Even though he's not a trash talker, he doesn't speak English, he can't, you know, he's not a big, I will crush you on social media type guy, you know. He's just a guy that fights. He has a distinct look, distinct fighting style. kind of distinct fighting style. But yeah, I just think it's good for the sport. It's good for the UFC. And we just have another player at Walter Waite

that we want to see. I want to know everything about Shafka Rockman. Like, I seriously want to know everything about him. I know nothing about him. He's such a mystery. And that's what makes him so interesting. He's a less is more guy. Less is more.

I think I want to see him fight Neil Magny. I really do. I think I've talked myself into that fight is going to happen. putting it out into ether. He trained, like, Rachmanov trains it in Sanford, he trains at Sanford, MMA,

so it's not like he has to fly over and, like, you know, like he's right there in, in Florida. I'm all about, like, how many times are they going to go

to Florida this year? Dana White's like, Arizona, Houston, Nevada, Florida. Like, how many Florida?

Like, oh, you train Florida? I don't think that's home, though, for him. It's not, like,

where he's, it's definitely not home. I think eventually he might move there, but who knows. His, him and Fizever, Him and Fiziv are funny on Instagram. Like there was a...

When there was like a video of Rockmanov hitting pads with... Wow, I'm blanking on his name. Henry Hooft and Fiziv like Hurricane Ron and like a punching dummy like behind him. And they were like, what the hell? And then Fizim just like right away. Oh, he's funny, man. I don't know everything.

I want to know everything about those guys. Like just get him in a house, you know, surreal lifestyle and surreal world style and let's just I just want to see more of those guys I just love how just all these great fighters are just coming from all corners of the world so you just have all these different types of stories and people and just personalities but and just fighting in a cage and then we just learn more about them that's why this sport's freaking fun yeah and then we got to we got to meet guys like terence mackenny who's got such an interesting story he got a crazy knockout I guess his knees okay is on social media dancing around.

Talk about crazy personalities real quick before we have to go. It's like Julia Villas post-fight speech with D.C. I just hope that doesn't get forgotten. That was just so sweet. Just so so freaking sweet, the whole blood. And like DC just played, DC was like, DC sometimes as an interviewer is like, whatever. But in that role right there, he was great.

He was just great. And if you get a chance, get a chance. Find Sydney Outlaws post-fight. interview backstage. That guy, he trains the ATT. He's, man, that guy's got a great story. His person, I've never seen a, before Sydney Outlaw left, you know, that they put those two cans of monster, Belletroy does it too, cans of monster energy drink.

And he's all like, hey, is this anyone's? And he grabs one. He goes like, can I take that one? He just grabs both cans of monster energy. He's like, cool, free soda. And he leaves. I just, like, I just a personality for sure. Yeah.

And he's got a, he's got a, he's got a, he's got a, crazy past and yeah just good yeah that's all i just i love that's one thing constantly throughout my years working on this sport i just love the completely different types of people we always run into that's a that's the fun part for me that's true i'm already working on julia abula for what the heck on monday so stay tuned already in the works don't you worry we've already uh initial conversations are already ongoing to get her on because i've so much to talk to her about so we we uh we saw she are we good are we good I think we've, we're good.

Yeah, we'll be talking more about this card tomorrow, AK and I with on to the next one, doing some matchmaking. I'm sure we'll talk about it on what the heck. We'll talk about them between the link. So this is just, this isn't goodbye, UFC, Vegas 30 forever. It's just so long, everybody. And then we have a rare weekend off next week from the UFC. The build to UFC 24 is officially upon us.

So those promos, by the way, today? Excellent promos. Great promos. Yeah, except here's what they always do. Not really the truth, but great promos, by the way. Here's what they always do. And they've been, me and our good for our mutual friend, Oscar Willis always talk about this. Since for like the last 17 months, it's basically been me, Oscar and John Morgan have been the only constant media presence at these events.

It's they will take one of our questions. This is unembedded and on the countenance. They will take one of our questions and then cut. the answer and then take an answer from a separate question and then puzzle piece it. So they'll take the different answer with the different question and put them together. So it sounds more interesting. And they did that. That is exactly what they did on this preview show. I'm pretty sure they used several of my answers about Connor talking about Habib and they just framed it like he was talking about Dustin Port. Yeah. It kind of sucks. That's why I kind of I don't watch embedded because

you know, I work in journalism. I like true stories and embedded while they're fun to watch and it's fun to watch people get haircuts and sign posters. A lot of it's just not true. What happens? They don't do that. They haven't done the haircut in a bit because they can't. Damn you, COVID. You know, uh, well, enjoy BKFC and all the boxing.

Yeah, lots of box. Dante Davis. Hank Davis. Uh, yes. Lots of, Tank Davis. Ryan Garcia, make it happen. Lots of fun boxing to, uh, whether with, with gloves and without.

But until enjoy that, we'll talk. again soon for Casey Jose I am Mike Hack good night everybody you're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network