MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 32 Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: July 25, 2021

With UFC Vegas 32 in the books, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Alexander K. Lee and E. Casey Leydon react to the top storylines coming out of Saturday night’s card at the APEX, including T.J. Dillashaw's split decision decision win over Cory Sandhagen Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Oh, yeah. MMA. Oh, MMA. MMA. What a night for. I'm dropping a furry tweet right now. Sorry, I'm a little distracted.

But, yes, thank you, everyone who is tuning in right now to the UFC Vegas 32 Dillish versus Sanhagen post-night show. It is I, Alexander Kaley, Hello, good to see you. Thank you for joining us again, guys. I know you were here for the preview show and I know the Q&A with Jose and Casey. Where are you going to get more of that plus me? Because I am once again joined by Jose Youngs.

Yo, what's up? Sorry, I'm doing like a lot of post-fight work while we shoot this. And Jose, everyone understands. Don't worry. Do not apologize. And, of course, in the truck on the ones and twos, Mr. E. Casey Lydden. Yo, what's up? Oh, man.

Is that your new catchphrase? Yo, what's up? Hey, kids. That's good. Who likes rock and roll? Well, we'll work shopping. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. That was cool.

That's good, though. No, it's a very good start. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, you really can't lose with all that. Tons to talk about, guys. This is, I would say more so than some pay-per-views we've seen recently. There was a lot of storylines here, a lot of big finishes, a lot of people stepping up, people changing divisions.

sort of re-announcing themselves perhaps as contenders, controversial decisions. Wait, that's wrong comment. I didn't, it was a random comment, sorry. I didn't see it. A fight of the year contender, one of the, I mean, it felt like multiple fight of their contenders, probably some of the greatest bantamate fights we've ever seen.

I'm not even sure how you guys are going to rank all the bantamweight fights we saw tonight. There were so many good ones. But let's start with the main event. I think we have to. T.J. Dillishaw wins a. split decision over Corey Sanhagen, two 4847s for Dillashaw and a 4847 for Sanhagen. Dillosh's first fight, of course, in over two years since coming back from his USADA suspension after being bused for EPO in April 2019.

And I thought he looked pretty good. Certainly the judges did too, good enough to win. Jose, what was your assessment of the main event, both from entertainment-wise and who do you think one? Well, if I ruled, the fight absolutely lived up to everything that I know, lot of people were like, oh, Jose jinxed it by rating it 11 out of 10. It's going to be Derek Lewis and Ghanu all over again. Like, it just wasn't going to happen because those, these two fighters and Tiji Lichon and Corey Sagan are just better all around martial artists than France and Gano and Derek Lewis. So it was, it lived up to everything in my mind. That fight absolutely ruled had everything

I was, I was looking for in a high level martial arts fight against arguably the two best bannam weights on planet earth. I had a three two, Corey Sanhagen. I saw a three, a lot of people have a three two Corey Sanhagen. It wasn't unanimous like some of the fights that were probably going to talk about from earlier in the night. I saw a handful of 3-2 T.J. Dillishaws, but

in the end it came down to clearly the final round, I think. I think it was like people had it like won, going back and forth so it was like T.J. Corey, T.J. Corey. And then T.J. won the, and then I guess the judges thought T.J. won the fifth.

But from the media, from watching seeing all our fellow media members and fans, I think most of them, I'd say a good 80%, 75% to 80% had Sanhagan winning, but I did see some Dillishaw, so it wasn't a unanimous. Yeah, let me do a quick tally here

from MMA Decisions.com. And by the way, if you want to know the judges, it was Derek Cleary scored it for Sanhagan, and Saul DiMato and Junichiro, Camijo, scored it for Dillashah. So I see six of the media members on MAA Decisions.com, scored it for Dillishaw.

And the other, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, two. I'm just eyeballing here. But at 15, maybe like almost, maybe a little over the 15 media members scored it for Sanhagen. 48, 47 either way. Nobody had a score greater than that. Al Jermaine had it. The reigning champion had T.J. winning. He didn't give a score, right?

He just said he thought T.J. won. Yeah. Casey, same question, man. What did you think? I'm sure you enjoyed the fight as I've been. imagine most red-blooded and may fans would. Americans. But yeah.

Who do you think won? And how did you think T.J. looked? First question, who did I think won? I thought Corey Sanneagan won. I thought he won three rounds to two with pretty much seeming. It seems like the close round was round five. And I thought Sanaghan won that pretty clearly. I thought if this is a pride rule, I thought San Diego won two.

I thought he did the most thing. I thought basically what Corey said in his post. fight. I thought he did the most damage. I don't think Dillishal ever really hurt Santa Hagan or put him in danger. And so by round, I had San Hagan winning the fight and by just pure pride rules, I had Santa Hagan win the fight. But the fight freaking ruled. It was actually way more competitive than I thought. T.J. looked. He looked just as good as he's ever looked. But the game, not the game, he didn't get beat tonight but the game is just very there's not a big gap i felt like there was a maybe a slightly bigger gap when he was champ between him and the next challenger and but now even with san hagen not as his

champ uh with you know i think yon's still the best so you know i don't i didn't see this t jillish i was like oh clearly now that's just he's just uncrown champ no but tj's back um he looks very good um but i did have san hagan win in this fight yeah look this is one of again i said it's me and i one of the best bantamweight fights I've ever seen. It was just amazing. And I certainly don't think whether people thought, even if you feel strongly that Sanhagen won, or you feel strongly that Dillishaw won,

I don't know that could overshadow the action that we saw tonight. I don't think either guy stock fell that much. Corey Sanhagen kind of knew he was taking a risk fighting T.G. Delish, it is a fight that he wanted for actually for quite some time. So he got what he wished for.

He didn't get the W. But Casey, as you mentioned, if you took like a highlight reel of the biggest moments in the fight, so many of them belong to Sanhagen. Again, and that is not how we score fights, but he hit two beautiful jumping knees, one of them in the first, which fell to an inverted triangle, which I don't know if any

of us has ever seen before and would have been like one of the greatest finishes in UFC in MNMMA history. And then I think in the second round, or I don't know, second or third, he caught up with another one and it was clean. It was, I think it might have been the third because in the second he knocked him down with a punch foot. It was so clean. It was the same knee, I

swear, that knocked out Frankie Edgar. So if anyone's questioning how diminished Dillashah might be at age 35 after not competing for two years, he ate some bombs. He really ate some bombs. Well, yeah, clearly that very weak chin that he had when he went to flyweight, his EPO chin. That was bad for him. It didn't make him a better fighter. And now that he's fighting at his, I want to see, is more comfortable the way he's used to fighting at 1.35, he actually had a chin this time. and he ate big, big shots.

And, you know, I think actually Jose made a great observation in our fan Q&A talking about, you know, I was like, well, you know, you know, talking about ring grass. He's older. But Jose said, well, you know what, but he hasn't gotten beaten up. He's actually training. He got to heal his brain, his body, a guy that's been competing in, you know, high level wrestling and MMA for, I don't know, over a decade, two decades. I don't know. So I think that really showed tonight. I think the time off made TJ a more durable fighter.

Well, he had to be, because he got messed up all over again, a massive cut over his right guy. I mean, it's one of those cuts when after they cleaned it up, and you know, the camera gets a good shot at it. Oh, my Lord. I saw a lot of people tweeting like, oh, his chin is gone, including Algeman Sterling. I saw you mention that.

I was like, bro, what I was a punch clean by a, he got punched in the face by one of the best fighters on planet Earth. like allow that to happen to you and then I'll say oh your chin's gone no you just got hit really hard give him some slack I would not take I would not take anybody yeah I'm just I'm just I just include Algemane so people can go find it so they're not like oh Jose is making this up like no he tweeted chin gone I'm like stupid core like Corey said he he knocks out a lot of people yeah so he had the cut he also heard his left knee I believe He didn't hurt it.

San Hagan heard it. San Hagen heard his knee. Yeah, he didn't treat it. He was very careless kind of fighting off his heel. He was in the first. And then the commentary team very astutely pointed out in between rounds that he, T.J. kind of limped back to the corner. So that might have been a factor as well.

Jose, I want to know what you thought of San Hagan's sort of a strategy. I mean, for me, I would say it's hard to criticize because he's a creative striker as it is. But the commentary was getting on him a little bit for. abandoning fundamentals, going from some spinning strikes and flying strikes. What did you think? Did you think that it might have taken away from his chances of winning this fight? If anything, I don't think it took away in the sense that he was, as everyone said,

he was clearly doing the most damage. And it was clearly like all the highlights belong to Corey Sanhagen. But when you miss, when you're on your back, it doesn't look great unless you know what you're looking at. Does that make sense? Like, optically, it doesn't look great. You can be doing all the damage in the world. the fact that T.J. Dillishaw is still raining punches down on you while you're going for heel hooks

probably doesn't optically look great. I thought Corey Sanhagen looked awesome in the first round. Like, yeah, he lost it. I think we can all agree that he probably lost the first round. But he was, like, rolling around, going for heel hooks, like putting himself in a lot of danger to try to put T.J. Dillishaw away early. So I don't know what the game plan was. Like it clearly worked for him getting here. and it clearly, we're all, a lot of us are in agreement that Corey Sanhagen won. So it clearly worked. It clearly worked. So I don't know.

I don't know. I don't think it's Corey Sanchez should change his approach. It's what got him to the dance. Yeah. And the judging was a little wonky tonight. If we're to be, to put it delicately, we had some, again, I will elaborate more on that after. Yeah, I'll talk about that later. And I certainly could see how.

People might think the judging was wonky with the main event. I should have, by the way, I'm sorry, I should have broken this down round by round. I said who the judges were. All three judges agreed, first round, Dillishaw. They all agreed second round, Sanhagen, which I think was one of the clearest round. If anyone didn't score the second round for Sanhagen, you're nuts. Third, oh, so it came down to the final, they disagreed the final two rounds, it looks like. All three agreed.

Yeah, all three agreed, 109, Dillishaw, third. The fourth was Cleary and Diomado gave it to Sanhagen. And then the fifth, Cleary and Camijo gave to delicious. Oh, sorry, gave to Sanhagen. No. I read that in the most confusing manner possible. So if anyone understood how I understood that, you're a genius because I messed that up. But my point is they disagreed on the fourth and fifth round.

So it didn't just come down to one round. It looks like it was kind of a kind of mixture of the two. All right. So there we go. But a great fight, a great fight, guys. So let's, because of a podcast about soon, let's let's go. Let's play the game now, Casey. We had some great options here.

What was the fight of the night? Will there be multiple fight of the nights? Who do you think of performance bonuses? Let's restrict it to four bonuses. Let's say, unlike last time, let's say they just do four bonuses. Casey, who's getting them tonight? Well, Pauvey and Phillips did have Fight in the Night until the Mainibank came out. So, sucks for them.

But Fight a Night, clearly, T.G. Jedlishaw, Corey Sanahagan. Would you rather to get two of the nights? I wouldn't mind that. I wouldn't mind giving the top two fights, just two-fighted nights rather than the performance. That sounds actually fine. I'm going to go for that one. Would you put TJ Sanhagen on your short list for Fight of the Years? Absolutely.

Yeah, me too. It was pretty obvious. It's pretty obvious. That's fighting. I got to kind of review it the list, but it reminded me a lot of the Cruz Dillushaw fight. Like that fight just ruled all. It was like a martial arts fight. It just ruled. Like everything about that fight was fantastic.

In my professional opinion, analytically, that fight ruled. You've crunched the numbers on this. This fight ruled. Yeah. I don't have an issue because the Kylea Phillips Pivea fight, that was bananas. I thought Kylea Phillips was going to put him away in the first round

and then he pulled it out. Good scraps. There were a lot of good scraps on the early, quote-unquote, prelims, too, the first half of the card. Oh. What did you give this card coming? What do we get this gymnastic score coming into this card? I don't know.

Let's just go letter grade. I mean, this is an A. This card was an A. It's a clear A. It just delivered in every possible. For a fight night on paper, this is the A. And this actually, to me, exceeded expectations. So, absolutely fantastic fight night.

An A on paper and A plus in execution. Oh. But you pumped it up. I'm not even, I'm not counting the bad judging. That has nothing to have the UFC or the fighters themselves. The judging does give a little sour. The judging is like going to see like a, great movie, but you come out and your car, someone's smashed broken into your car or something.

I don't know. It doesn't affect the entertainment you had that night. But let's get to it. We've hints that out. But I do want to say, Jose, so you would also go preferably to fight the night bonuses if they do that tonight. You'd further go the main event, call me and just give them give the bonuses to those guys. I wouldn't have a problem, even if it's just to reward Kyler for taking the flight. You know, you know, like he didn't have to take this fight. Like, he's fighting a flyweight coming up and to stay on the card. So even to reward, Kylan for a good performance and he went for the kill. It's not like he was playing the safe.

So yeah, why not? Because the performances, if you were going to do performances, you would go like, I guess Elkins probably and Arcei. Arcei or? There were a lot. Gall's performance was great. Arce's performance is great. I love Emma,

Bov. I think Emma Bob, I love watching him above. I think that I think he's exceptional. I think those, I think those are all fantastic stoppages, but like we've said a thousand. I think it also a thousand times like you bank stopped someone that was four and oh and even even DC said like it's sometimes it's hard to some sometimes it's hard to do what everyone says you're going to do and then like that's exactly what happened same as a lot of the other fights you just mentioned like I think a lot of people just assumed that's what would happen so while they were 10 out of 10 finishes I don't think they're they're going to get bonuses unfortunately so we had a lot of controversies throughout the night again so Paiva Phillips Pretty much everyone said this looked like it was going to be a draw. 10-8 Phillips in the first round.

Yeah, I had a-d-a-draud. He was winning the round first round one already, did a ridiculous amount of damage at the end of the first. To the point that many, again, on May Twitter were like, was that like this fight wasn't stopped? Like, why was this fight not stopped? He shouldn't come out. Paiva shouldn't come out for the rest of the fight.

But at the end of the day, two of the only one of the judges gave it a 28-28. The other two, 29-28s for Paiva. So this was a robbery of sorts, as in. And, you know, Phillips should have gotten the draw. But I mean, Jose, what do you think? Is it a tragedy that Paieva kind of got away with the win here? I thought it was either Kyler won or a draw. It was one of the two.

But like when I was when I was, because I post the graphics for us, I had Kyler Phillips teed up ready to go. Just because I didn't know because the judges were just wonky all night anyway. So I'm like, well, at least Kyler, it's either a draw at worst. But I'm going to assume the judges aren't getting scored a draw. and then shockingly they scored for Pavia. So yeah, weird. Wasn't expecting it.

I didn't really have a reaction, honestly, because I think I was just so excited for the main event. I know that's bad, but it was just weird. It was just a bizarre scenario. Sorry, how would you have given Phillips? What was you have?

Round's one and two? I'm not saying that I had it. I scored it a draw. I was just based it off of just weird, like weird judging. Like I, for sure, score.

Like, I think I tweeted like draw or something like that, but. I think everyone had a draw. Assuming the, I think at this point, I'm like, well, the judges are going to get it wrong. So anything other than a draw is wrong. And I don't see how Pavia won it. So I'm just going to assume Kyla won it on their score.

This was very unfortunate, not having that first round score at 10-8. I'm not sure. I'll have to watch it again. Maybe they thought Paia even did enough in the rest of the round. But again, I do feel like Phillips was winning and then really put the cherry on it with what looked almost a finish at the end. So very unfortunate, it should be a draw. I don't think either guys should be taking a loss, especially, you know,

Kyle or Phillips. But gentlemen, we have our bonuses. We have our bonuses. Is it traditional fight night and two performances? It is traditional. So do you want to take another, do you want to take another guess here, Casey? Main event, fight of the night and performances, Elkins, and maybe Yonis. Let's go Yonis.

You, sir, you nailed the performance bonuses. But the fight of the night. what has gone to Carla Phillips and Holly and Paiva that is a makeup that's a makeup that's a makeup performance bonus

because the UFC doesn't they know Kylea Phillips got screwed and yeah that's all that is so it's a great it was a great fight

it was a great fight when we talk about fight of the years we're going to mention the main event over the co-main that's all yeah I would

I would think so just given the stakes of it the storyline. Everything just culminated perfectly. But congrats to everyone who won bonuses. Taryn Elkins, you're a frigging hero. But let's let's, I'm going to skip more with that fight for a second just to get to our other controversy of the night, which we thought would be the biggest one until all those

other stuff happened later. Too bad. Why weights, young fly weights, Macy Barber and Rand a Maverick. I thought put on a pretty good three-round fight. Most of us had Maverick up to nothing going into the last. passed around and then it turns out Macy Barber wins a split decision with a pair of 29, 28 scores. Casey, uh, instant robbery review. What do you think? Okay, so I'm going to go to, oh my God. So I'm on MMA decisions right now. And I'm going to

just estimate about 25 media members 100% all have Maverick. My score isn't included. Our three scores aren't included. So you can add three more. I'm pretty sure we all had Maverick winning that fight, um, rounds one and two. it was pretty clear it was a maverick card i don't understand what the judges saw that's it that's all that's all i got to say and um i'm not going to talk and it's not talk about uh barbers kind of odd oh yeah okay good decision good decision i mean a horrible decision horrible decision but you know but this is this is a weird okay say even if macy barber lost that fight this is the not problem macy Barber.

Wasn't the Grosso fight very similar? She got her butt kick kind of the first two rounds. And the third round, she came strong. And then we saw the same thing tonight. So clearly, Macy Barber doesn't suck or anything. It's just she lost, I felt she lost two. Well, back to back, well, Grosso in this fight, I felt she just lost to better prospects. But close competitive fights.

I think the difference between the Grosso and the Maverick fight is Grosso. like Macy didn't do anything against Alexa where I said hit her really hard a handful of times and Alexa was basically just a step ahead of a step ahead the whole time like I think more I think I had a two one Miranda but Macy at least showed something in the first few in the first few rounds a little is still something I guess technically but I agree in the end it was I thought it was super obvious Macy won the last round and Miranda won the first two I think we're all in agreement right yeah Yeah, I think it was like clear as day. Yeah.

It's clear as day. That's a tough one. That's a tough one if you're Miranda Maverick and her team to swallow. Because you definitely feel like you did. It's a learning lesson two, I guess. Maybe, you know, maybe you got to keep the pedal to the metal or whatever cliche you want to throw out there and make sure you get that. Don't leave it. Is that what you're saying?

Yeah. You want to say it. Say it, K. Say it, okay. Don't leave. I'm not going to say it. I literally also think that this is the first fighter that Miranda Maverick has fought that can, can. I don't want to say, I don't know how strong each woman is,

but Miranda can't just physically out muscle Macy. Like you could see she was going for hit throws and everything, and she just didn't get them. So I agree with AK, like if, up until this point, if Miranda wanted to throw you, she was going to throw you or she was going to just physically bully you. If that doesn't happen, you got to have plan B. And I just didn't, don't think she had a plan B.

but Macy, it doesn't matter because she's still wanting the fight. Yeah, I mean, it's, look, I think round two, I will probably rewalled a fight. I'm sure Maverick team will look at that and be like, what more we have done? And the other thing they'll probably say is, what did Barber do in that round to win the fight?

But I guess there just wasn't this moment that the judges could hang their hat on to clearly give it to Maverick, even though, again, most of us watching it, taking the whole five minutes of the second round, We're kind of like, that really looked like a maverick round, didn't it? But I'll watch it again. We'll see. But that did appear to be the judging mishap of the night on an evening where there were a trio of such things.

But a lot of good stuff in the main card, too. Again, we had our performance bonus winners. Let's talk about them now. Darren Elkins, I mean, this is the script. You know what I mean? This is a pro wrestler who's been using this. He's been wrestling the same match for like the last five years. Yeah, you know, I was going to say like,

in pro wrestling, the fans are turning on them for writing the same story over and over and over. He only wrestled one time of match. Dude gets his face caved in and comes back and wins. More at five. But you could almost feel it because Miner is a great finisher. Miner has like 20-something submissions in his career. So you could see him.

He's like he got the advantage early in the fight. He's totally going for it. And it's like, but when he didn't get it, all the, everyone on Twitter was saying, Alkins hasn't right where he wants them. I mean, Casey, is this, Casey, how, how much longer can this guy get away with this? Like, this doesn't, you know, he's going to run out of luck soon. As long as he can pass medicals and clear the cat scans, because he takes a lot of damage. So, I mean, it's a very dangerous, it's a very, it's a very,

Elkins lives very dangerously and it's not the best way for a prize fighter to make a living the amount of times he gets hit in the head but he gets the W and good for him and it was I love watching Derek on his fight I just love it and I was reminded

watching this fight I was like how did Ryan Hall beat this man but I remember Ryan Hall actually won with striking if you remember he actually dropped Elkins twice of kicks So don't, yeah, don't, don't grapple with Darren Elkins. That's all. Do not grapple with him.

Don't try to prove it. You're not going to prove anything to anyone. Just keep him away. Throw bricks at him in bottles and just wait for the judges to raise your hand. Do not try to touch him. People he beat also are physically not the same a lot of times. Yeah. Like even when, like, you know, like you blow your gas tank out trying to finish him, you can.

And then he just caves your face in. Like, Mirosad Bechtick, never recovered from getting a headkicked after just pressing them up. Oh, yeah. Like when the judge, when the, when the ref stopped the fight, Minner, like, wasn't even like all beat up. He just kind of stood up going like, oh, that sucked. You know, he was like, like Darren Elkins looked way worse.

He looked way worse. Menor just looked exhausted. And he essentially just tapped from strife. He didn't tap, but he eventually just go, I just can't fight anymore. Like, he wasn't beat up. He isn't. just I just can't fight anymore. Like, and that's,

Darren O'Kinx is freaking awesome. One of a kind. I love him. Hall of Famer. I don't care. Metaphysical individual in the comments saying, no, he's,

no, he's Cactus Jack. He is catas jack. Yes, very McFoly-esque, whichever face of Foley you prefer, very McFolyeask in his ability to take damage and just be a friggin' hero. And does anyone like, did anyone like dude love?

Was that anyone's favorite? I like the dance. I like the dude love dance of this. Do you like Dude Love or do you like the dance? I like the dance. It's part of the dude love character. It's obviously maybe the least, you know, everyone's least favorite. I would say, maybe I'm wrong.

Shout out, you know, dude love in the comments. If that's your favorite, McPoly. But, you know, we don't speak for everyone here. And then the opener of the main card guys, which looked like that was going to be the fight of the night. On many other cards, it would have been, Adrian Yanis and Randy Costa. Gosh, Banta waits. I mean, we're just nonstop. Bantamweight excitement on this card.

It is the best division. It would totally shut up in this fight. You had the methodical machine-like Adrian Yanaz against the very aggressive Randy Costa, and you got two just awesome, awesome rounds of action. I mean, Jose, what were your impression to this fight? Is this going to get forgotten with all the other stuff that happened? Say it again.

Sorry, I was a Corey Kvarez. Cody Garvant's tweeting, so I was trying to see what he was doing about. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, Yanaz and Costa. Is this fight going to be forgotten, given everything else that happened? No, because Adrian Yonnas, I think, has one of the brightest futures in the Bannamweight Division. And so does Randy Costa. They just fought at a time.

Like, for all we know, in three, four years, five years from now, they could be running it back on a main card of a pay-per-view, maybe a co-main. I don't know if any are fighting for the title anytime soon, especially with the amount of ratter lungs. They have to ladder rungs, they have to climb up at 135-pound division. but Adrian Yannas, his hands are unbelievable. Me and our good friend Oscar Rillis were texting during that fight because he was big on the Adrian Yana's train early on in his career. And imagine a fight between him and Cheeto Vera. It's not going to happen, but that fight would rule.

Just the amount of volume and boxing would be beautiful. Obviously, they're not going to give him Sugar Sean, but the fact that we're like fantasy matchmaking this is awesome, like such fun fights, such a fun fight and such an exciting man. I love Costa's game plan because he's like, okay, well, this guy is, he's not that he's a slow starter,

but he's a counterfighter. And he's like, I'm just going to get in his face. I'm going to get in his face. I'm pumping this jab. I'm spamming head kick. I'm like playing the USC video game. I'm just spamming head kick.

And it almost worked because he clearly won the first round. But yeah, as man, once he gets those lasers on someone, he does not miss. Like he, I said the term download. How did you pronounce his last name? What did I say, Janice?

You said Janus. Yeah, you did. You know, Janus. Yannis. Yannis. You know that, you know that like custardy dessert that we have in Mexico that looks like an upside down pudding and has like the, do you know what I'm talking about, Casey? Yeah, yeah. What's it?

How do you pronounce that? Flan? Flan. No, it's flon. Flon. I know he messed me up. He's flan. I wanted it, Casey.

I mean, I wanted to be like, yeah, give me a plate of flam. Flan. Casey, what did you think of these two guys, man? I mean, was this just, was this a statement fight for Yanez? Is he going to be like, are we going to see him? Jose says they might fight again. Do you think Yonnes proved he's a class above here? Or is it, I mean, are we just going to see Yannas and Costa again?

Whether they fight each other or not, but both kind of making headlines for the next, like, three years. No, I don't think there's any reason for them to fight any time. With how great the Bannonweight Division is, there's no reason for them to fight again anytime in their future. But Costa, I thought this was going to be one-way traffic. I thought Yannes was going to just roll through Costa. And I thought the second round was going to be the beginning of the fight. But credit Doreini Costa, he came out super strong, came out super aggressive. Like you said, that jab just using his height and reach.

And Yon has kind of said it in the post-fight interview. he just started as slow and you can't start slow in MMA because you can get rocked really hard. Luckily, Yonnas recovered and was able to find that range and showed that he was just the better striker and better striker.

I'm not sure about the entire mixed martial arts, but Costa couldn't get it to the ground or couldn't engage in any other form. No, you couldn't change the fight. Once Yianas took over and made it, Yonnas got come to one of his range, then it was one way track. Um, Yannes is awesome.

Um, good test from a good, it's a good fight that even though he won, he's still going to learn a lot from this too. And that's, um, that's a, that's a bonus for a fighter. Phantom weights guys. I know. I keep saying it, man. So I guess it's, uh, I want to talk about the prelims in the seconds, guys. But I guess the result of just to go back to the main event for a moment. I guess our question was answered.

We were talking a lot about where will T. J. Dillishah land in the rankings. Uh, I guess he takes Corey Sanagan spot, right? So he's just, no. How high is he? How high is he? I still have San Hagan ranked above. Oh, you're one of those people who I don't care what the judges say. I go with what I saw. Right now on my ranking, I have San Hagan has the fourth best in the world. This includes everyone. So basically horo Gucci's in there. They kind of throw everything off.

But I will put T.J. Dillishaw one spot behind Corey San Hagan. So that would be what number. He'll be number five on my list. Okay. Jose, how do you feel? about that. What do you think? Where do you think he's going to be on your list? He's three on mine. I think wins and losses matter regardless of whether you agree with them or not. And I'm not knocking anyone that has Corey Stenaghan ranked above. Like that's perfectly fair. You can do it. You can knock them. I see. It's a valid argument. And I agree with it 100%. I just think wins and losses are important in the grand scheme of things, especially in MMA.

Corey Sending, it's not going to fight for the title next. And T.J. Dillishall probably will. so I put him third I still have Al Jermaine by default number one and Yon 1B or 2 however you want to say it okay so we were all in agreement no matter who you thought won tonight we're still comfortable have we still

pop four like at worst he's four and we're still putting Aljo and Jan in some order at 1 and 2 we're not breaking up that sort of they're kind of tied together neither San Hagan nor Dillosh there was nothing happening tonight that would have put one person on top of Yon or

Alja. All right. Yeah. Guys, the prelims were super exciting as well. I thought, I got a lot of good fights, great results. So just, but that's one story, one storyline. Casey, what was the one storyline of fight that kind of performance that kind of jumped out to you from the prelims?

I know people are high in Mickey Gall's performance, but I think that was just a good win for him. I don't, I don't think Jordan Williams is, you know, a, he's a good fighter, but I don't know how long we'll see him in the, in the UFC. I love his story, but and everything. But actually, I was most impressed with Imov and Imov and his finish of Ian Hinesh. I just liked, I like, I like, I like the way he fights. I like how cool and collected he is.

He doesn't seem to, he just, he gives me a musasi feel in a sense, just very relaxed. Never looks at he's breathing hard, just just in control of the fight. So I was very impressed by his performance. and Sarge UBanks. I know it was an overmatched opponent, but like D.C. said, she did something. It's hard to do what you're expected to do, and she did it, no, 10 plus.

You know, it was excellent performance. Just great technique, great everything. And so this is the UBanks that we thought could be a title contender at flyweight. Casey, I asked for one. You're a BTL. You're the BTL, like five round two. You think you would be,

rule follower it's out the window now Jose prelimbs talk about whatever talk about whatever you want however many fights you want to talk about go ahead the floor is yours I mean the fights like the Sejar Ubang's fight was I liked her call out too I think that's an important part she called out pretty much everyone above her which is like good on you she said she called out jessica I which i think was a smart one but then she also brought up the fact that she has wins over Roxanne Matafari and Lauren Murphy and then closed it out saying like and then dropped the champion. So everyone agrees that she's

probably not going to fight for the title anytime soon at 125 but just giving people a reminder so I think that was important and then as Casey said, I'mov is just like a lot of fun to watch and I actually think the Brent, I'm not super high on

Mickey Gall as a talent. I don't think he's ever going to be a top 15, top 10 welterweight but his ability regardless of his opponents how would I phrase this level of skill his ability to just grab a neck is still fun to watch

I guess like I didn't expect him to submit him that quickly but if you were to tell me Mickey Gall was going to get a submission win in the first run I probably said yeah probably but that was just like neck snap back chokeout there's like Bing bang boom that's just like Jiu Jitsu 101 so it was just fun to watch but and then

Brandon Allen picking up the win I think Punisoriano this was the this is I know we talked a lot about the Macy Barber Miranda Maverick like learning curve that we're going to have is this this is who is first loss right yes correct and this is also the only

his second time getting out of the first round like he's been winning by first round chaos or submission nonstop and yes he fought to a decision on the contender series but there's a difference fighting on the contender series which is just the regional scene with a lot of

spotlights on you and fighting on ESPN against who a lot of people consider a top 15 middleweight so I think this loss is going to be super important to Puna Sorriana moving forward because he looked exhausted after the first round. I even think the commentary said it. And then Brendan Allen, good on you.

I think he should fight the loser of maybe the main event next week or another high or even or who we were just talking. Who just beat Ian Heinish? I mean Bob. Any of those fights. They're all fun. So one middle way is low key.

Super fun to watch. Yeah, just fun fights all around. As Casey said, it's rare one in an entire fight. card lives up, checks, but I think it knocked it out of the park. Yeah, it was great. Yeah, Alan said, of course,

he's been calling for that Sean Strickland rematch since the last time we fought, which, by the way, was a catchweight, 195 pound bout, and I think Brent Allen's aware of this. I believe he mentioned something about, like, I'm on a five-fight, or maybe we did, I don't know,

but he's technically on a five-fight win streak at bouts at 185 pounds if you don't want to count the, again, the catch-weight fight with Strickland. So very impressed. I believe now that's the second longest middle-weight streak, of course behind Israel at Asana. So, yeah, that was great. The other cool thing was, so the first three fights in the prelims, guys, the first three winners,

Julio RSA, Sejara, and Diana Belbita, shout out Stony Creek, Ontario, all won fights where they were going down a division. And they looked great. Belbita, again, needed her first UFC win. She beat Hannah Goldie. Sejara dominated, of course, a short-noticed opponent, but as she was supposed to do, in returning to the division where she holds a win over current number one contender, Lauren Murphy.

And Huli Arsay, a very talented guy who I think a lot of people are like, man, if he can make 135, he can make some waves and he looked great against Andre Yule. So the bantamweight division just got even stronger. It was a hell of a knife for the bantam weights. Casey, do we have time to make me take me one or two comments, questions?

Of course we have time. They're coming pretty fast. I don't know how you grab these. So if you threw some questions out before, I probably won't be able to find it. So throw him in again. spam away, guys. Now is the time to spam. The spam filter has been shut off. Pam, your must need question.

Yeah, I don't see though. Here we go. Sure. Oh, MMA dog. Hello, boy. For the judging, I see only a quick fix. Five judges, so one bad judge card won't affect the results as much. What do you think, guys?

I know my answer for this. Jose, I'll let you go first. Hold on. Let me read this question again. For the judge, I only see a quick fix. I don't think I don't think the judging is this massive conspiracy

that everyone says we only talk about it when there's you know like do we talk about this last week I don't think it's this this underlying thing that we need to change like is it perfect absolutely not but I think there's other things

in the world of MMA that need to be fixed before the judging I don't know five judges fine but if it's three fine we're only talking about this because there were a handful of bad decisions on this, but it's not like it's rampant every, every single fight. I kind of, as much as I want to complain about judging,

I kind of agree with Jose because, I mean, we, like, I can say Corey San Diego was a robbery. I thought he won the fight. But then I was like, it was a close fight. Close fights aren't robberies. And that's what kind of always goes back to. Close fights aren't robberies. You say it all the time, Mr. Robbery Review.

It was a close fight. So, I mean, then I see something like, barber or maverick i don't know what to think i guess it wasn't close but that's one but that's one fight out of name the last we probably saw the last i don't know let's go 200 fights and we you saw one clear robbery right everything else was close fights so so one out of 200 i'm just kind of throwing it out there but i don't think that's a judging problem i think that the criteria is kind of odd but whatever whatever and and we're For me, it's the issue of the education of the criteria.

So this is why anytime anyone brings up, oh, five judges, seven judges, nine judges. It won't matter if the judges are all educated the same way and all make the same mistakes. Increasing the number of, do you know what I'm saying? I change my mind. If that's what everyone wants, if we're just going to start throwing judges around, no judges, fight to the death. That's how you decide a winner. But I'm saying, what I'm saying is, you know, too bad 14 fighters died. There's no championship you just get to live.

Is that what everyone wants? Yeah, Stockton Rules. But look, all I'm talking about is the amount of judges won't matter because five judges is the same as five bad judges and the same as three bad judges. So if the issues with the judging, increase the amount of judges will not change anything. We need to educate. We need to have the commentary. I hate the judges.

We need more bad judges. Yeah. We need to have the commentary with respect to D.C., Dominic Cruz, was rogan, all these guys, they got to do a better job of talking with their criteria because they were all over the place tonight. I can't even pick like, oh, what was the- Rob Tatum, Rob Tatum, you suck. You suck. That was crazy.

And then- It was a legitimate car. It was a legitimate score. It wasn't crazy. Corme was talking about, oh, when Dillashot gets a body lock on Sanhagan and puts him to the fence, he's got to think the judges have to be looking at that as a takedown. I'm like, what? No, what? No.

Cruz said that. That's not a takedown. And look, we all respect these guys. We all respect these guys. So when most fans hear someone like a Corme say that or a cruise or whoever, and they make a mistake like that, then the fans are like, oh, okay, this is, so that makes sense. You can steal around with a takedown and all this stuff.

So just education, including us, education in the media, right? We all need to be educated better about their criteria. Most people have no idea what the criteria is, guys. It's out there probably. You can find it, check it out. So, first of all, point to Casey. Yeah, sorry. Casey, point to you, sir, because you did not use this as an

excuse to bring up open judging, which I thought was coming for sure. So point to Casey, let's move on. Case, let's move on to the next question before you get the inclination to do that. I would talk about open scoring another day. But if we do do if we do, if we do do, ha ha. Imagine if there was open scoring in the Maverick. Imagine if there was open scoring in the Maverick Barber fight. Casey, how different it would have been.

Esther, her hear me say do-do. She's laughing. I can tell she's giggling. If there are five judges, I do think. think, though. The two judges, and this, I'm talking about UFC championship fights or Bellator championship fights. Same like the Super Bowl. There's more, you know, there's more refs and stuff. There's more cameras for like instant replays and things like that. I think for the biggest fights, and the commission has to pay for, someone has got paid for this too. I think the two other

judges should be outside in the back area, not in the floor, and they should get a feed of the fight with no commentary. It's important with no commentary because people have to, it's so hard to explain to fans, but if you sit where a judge sits and then watch a fire from home, DC kind of implies us. It feels like different fights. And oftentimes at home, especially of replays and commentary, we have a much better view of the fight than the judges. Yeah. And this is really important to note. Yeah, Casey, one of the biggest cracks people always make about, you know, the judges is, oh my gosh, was this judge watching the same fight? And like quite literally, depending where they were sitting, they actually did watch a different fight than we watched at home with the multiple angles and everything.

So I know it's very fun to criticize judging and to crap on judges. We do it all the time in the media. But they really are sometimes in a disadvantageous position to judge a fight, which just sounds so stupid. But that's the case. So I love the IDC. You have two external judges. I love that. Jose.

Also, on a certain website, M.A.fighting.com from a very long time ago, Forrest Griffin actually talked about this and he doesn't think ex-fighters should be judges. And I agree. I agree. A hundred percent. I think just educate the just get better judges now. You don't need to, I don't think there needs to be a sweeping change because there are bigger problems in the world of MMA than judging.

Fighters are human and the fighters have just as much bias toward or certain martial art as any fan does. So it's all about just having unbiased. judges and that just takes just a professional professional you know someone who can just wipe it you know wipe an emotional way and just look at the fight as it is so and fighters cannot do that they are very emotional people robo judges i like it kc let's go on to the next let's go to the next question do do do do do um uh here we go our pal joseph boza was macy barber's callout of jessica i weak. He says she's looking for easy fights.

No, because Jessica, I already accepted the fight. There you go. Next question. She got what you wanted. Jessica, I... Not only did she accept the fight? Her exact phrasing was hashtag get spanked

Macy Barb. At Macy Barba. Oh, that's Jessica. She's such a poet. She has such a way with words. It's definitely not a weak callout Joseph, because it's an opportunistic callout if you want to call it, Jessica is number 12 in MMA fighting's global rankings. Macy Barber is unranked. And I think Jessica might even be higher in the official UFC rankings,

not than anybody cares about those. But either way, she's definitely ranked higher than Macy Barcloth. I thought it was a principal card. I don't think it's an easy fight at all. I don't think Bavarver's had an easy fight in a while. No. And no one beats, I mean, for the exception of Valentina, I mean, we can talk all you want about Jessica.

but no one beats her easily. It's always a tough battle to beat her. So it's no, good call out. Good call out. According to M-May Dog, Jessica's number eight right now in the UFC's media-generated rankings. So she's top 10, very smart call-out. Valley Allerator is also top 10 in the Bellator band. In the Bellator.

She's not in our rankings. We don't recognize UFC rankings or Bellator rankings. The only thing it matters is that Google Doc spreadsheet I get. MMF global rankings people check the banner at the top of our website it's right there we got pound for pound we got division by division you know you want to read it to carol man 91 is san hagen versus dilshaught worthy of a fight of the year contender a duh that's my response do you answer no question absolutely sir it wasn't even fight of the night so yeah jush get spanked this has to be a hosey question uh this is from the on new I've never read a book before. This is from the Anui, Verona.

Polyphemus from Odyssey, Jose, make a better judge than what we have now. Probably. I mean, Pulips. Who is that? He is the one-eyed giant of Poseid. I think he's the son of Poseidon. He's basically just a cyclops, or he got that. I can't remember if he's the cyclops.

He's either the cyclops or the one that got shot in the eye. I can't. I'm not 100 percent, but I do know he is one-eyed giant. son of Poseidon, if I remember correctly. Oh, he's the no man, no man, no man took my eye out or whatever. Oh, no man. Oh, right. Okay, now it's my, now it's coming back to me.

But I get it. Oh, it's a Cyclops one eye joke. Very good. Very good on a wee variety hour. You know what? So he was, to people who have not read the Odyssey, he's a tall, very large giant who was blinded by getting shot in the eye with an arrow. In the version I read, it's like a big, like they chopped down a tree,

and it's like a frigging gigantic steak they turn into it. Yeah, regardless, something penetrated his eyeball. His eyeball. There you go. Something not pleasant. See, see, I've been, Casey, yeah, you're a creep. You're a buff, you're a mythology buff. What do you think of a better judge?

Yeah, of course. I think, yeah, I'll call CESAC and, yeah, we'll make it happen. So, yes, I think a son of a Greek god would be a better judge. What a troll question. What a troll. Casey, let's get a call. more on here. Got said two more and let's get out of here.

All right, what do we got? Two more, questions, more comments, even comments. I'm supposed to say, I've been working in MMA too long because when I put this up there, I read it has NNAWA variety out. The NWA, no, on we, which many of us in MMA are,

our media are very familiar with. Oh, boy. Al Mack, this is harsh. The commentary was absolutely terrible tonight. I switched to Spanish. I don't speak Spanish. D.C. was no awesome, but not terrible. I think the commentary does some things well.

We've said it before. When it comes to time about scoring, just wild. And what hurts is they're not even consistent. It's like from one fight, they'll say one thing. From moment to moment, they'll say one thing. Kate said earlier where D.C. criticized Rob Tatum, who was a media guy who scored the fight. And then Rodney judges gave it that way too.

rounds. Yes. And then at first, Corrmey said the first round was super close. And then by the end of the second round, he said, oh, Brendan Allen's dominating this entire fight. It was very strange. It was very strange. Jose, what was your assessment of most of the commentary tonight, if you have an opinion on that? I didn't, I watched a lot of it without commentary. I think I watched it with a few that I thought were really close to see, especially the main event. I not for Daniel Corner's. Commentary, I wanted to hear Cruz's commentary because it is his weight class. He did five. T.J. Dillishaw, Corey San Hagan has made a known that Dominic Cruz is one of his, you know, one of his favorite ones. So, yeah, I don't, I don't know.

I think it wasn't D.C.'s best night, as Casey said it. Yeah. Actually, I thought Dom did a very good job in the main event. I thought he did a very good job, especially talking about the cut, because he said, when I was cut versus, I think, Cody, when he, in a fight, he was talking about he got cut in a fight. he said you get like a weird pressure because you're afraid the fight is going to get cut you're afraid the fight is going to get stopped so dom did i thought dom's

analysis of the main event was great and dc had an off night it's all it's okay screen play i want to point out that dc was talking a lot about the odds and then admitted he didn't understand them yeah guys please nobody bring up live odds to dan coirman he i don't think he cared for them he definitely didn't understand them i don't think he wanted to talk about them every time they came up on screen he just sounded annoyed leave december alone about the live odds. All right. And credit to, but props to DC, one great thing he had tonight, saving Brendan Allen's post-fight callout because Brennan Allen was kind of saying like, oh, you know,

there's a guy out there who's whatever, I've been wanting to fight. And he just kind of stopped. And then DC was like, oh, just say, maybe tell people who that is. Maybe let me all know who you're talking about. So thankfully, Brennan, Brandon Allen did not throw away a promo. So props to DC for that. Casey, one last comment. Okay, here we go.

Oh, yeah. This is a good one to end on. Thanks. Tyler Judd, where do you think Corey Sanhagen goes from here? Boys, which one of you guys wants to answer first? Rob Fott. Sure. Or Dominic. Or Dominic Cruz either one.

I don't care. I know Dominic Cruz doesn't make sense ranking-wise, but I just selfishly think that's just an awesome fight. And I think, yeah, and I look, and I think he would fill somewhat the same, you know, boost to his resume. he was thinking that a TJ win, you beat a former champion, a legend, et cetera. And Dominic,

of course, would fit that bill quite nicely. So, yeah, I agree with you guys. I think it's got to be either another contender who's right in his,

right next to him in the rankings, or, yeah, load up that legend, fight again. TJ also said that if, he might want to fight another person before, you know,

fill time, especially if Al Jermaine and Jan can't get in quick and don't come out healthy. I wouldn't say no. to Dillishaw Aldo either. I think that'd be a scrap too or if they want to do Dillishaw font

and then do Aldo Sanhagen I think that's fun as well. What was the first name you said, Jose? Sorry, my speakers went out for a second. Aldo. If they do Aldo Dillishaw, if Dillishaw wants another fight or if they do Dillishaw font

and then Sanhagen, Aldo, don't care. Or just give me what I've been waiting forever and just do Cruz Aldo or Cruz Edgar. Aldo's fighting Pedro Muno's, right, in a couple weeks? Is that right? Yeah, so

If Otto wins The winner of that Maybe maybe even the winner If I'm Dillard shaw And I take another fight I actually take a kind of a An easy fight And I know what happened

But someone like I'm saying someone like Frankie Eager or a Domit Cruz Dishal Shal. Dillishal. Someone is going to keep him where he is in the rankings

But it is not as a risky fight has saying, fighting, like, font or Pedro Munoz or something to me. But that's why, that's, if he takes another fight, that's why I think for Della shot. Because right now he's already lined up for a title shot, but he's going to have to sit for, geez, at least six months, maybe more. Bantam, wait, guys, Bantam, what a division, eh? What a division. Best division in, in MMA right now.

Best division in MMA and then one freaking illegal stupid knee from Peter Yon screwed up all the, you know. It's just perfect. You know what I mean? Just wonderful like line up ahead of us of fights. And everything just kind of, yeah, I know. I'm playing the music now. I know.

Well, hold on. I got to run away. Guys, whoa. I mean, you can play the music. No,

you can play the music. Next week's card again at the UFC Apex guys. It'll be UFC Vegas 33, a card that we've been somewhat critical of headlined by great middle, great fight at the main event, Uriah Hall, Sean Strickland. And then they moved.

Jamil Abdurakimov guys and Chris Dachas heavyweight belt to the Colman so excellent call there otherwise it's a smattering of names that fans might not be familiar with we've got Cheyenne Bayes versus Gloria Napala Pyongho Kang

Hanayaya Sam Alvi, Roman Kopolov and Brian Bargerna Chasing and that's from the main guys that you can find full run and of course on you find dot com Wikipedia wherever you look to

for this topology.com Yes that's not the card next week The card next week is the freaking Bellator. Oh, I'm sorry. Friday. Oh, it's on Saturday. It's the same night, man. Yes, I'm sorry. There is a Bellator card headlined by maybe the biggest fight of the year. Yes.

Patricio Pitbull versus the undefeated A.J. McKee in the Featherweight Grand Prix finals for the Featherweight Championship. Two-Division champion versus undefeated Bellator Homegrown Product. What a effing made of it. Will that fight? Will that be a better fight than the main event tonight? Who knows? I hope it is. I can't even begin to speculate. I'm not even talking about like who's better. I'm just talking about a competitive fight. Because I see next week's being one-way traffic either one way or another. I don't know who yet, but I don't think it's going to be a back and forth war like tonight. Well, we will definitely, I know we'll disguise. We do a ton of shows every week. I'm sure we'll discuss it on if there's a BTF, A-side preview shows.

We got a lot of talk about with. Pitbull and A.J. McKee. But yes, guys, two cards next Saturday. We'll be covering the press conference and me today. We shot the open workout and we're going to be, I'm going to be there. Ingo with California. Is there a Vitor Belfort press conference? On Tuesday. On Tuesday, I'll be there Tuesday. And people can learn more about this on MMAfighting.com. Yes. We do. We have a blog. MMIFight.com. That blog spot.

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