MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 36 Post-Fight Show | Derek Brunson Takes Aim At Israel Adesanya

Episode Date: September 4, 2021

With UFC Vegas 36 in the books, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Alexander K. Lee and E. Casey Leydon react to the top storylines following Saturday’s event at the APEX, including Derek Brunson’s dominant submission win over Darren Till in the middleweight headliner.  Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Insurance, investments, advice. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Oh, we're back to the jazz. How about that? The jazz is back, baby. The jazz is back. And maybe it's in celebration of Derek Brunson's dominant win over Darren Till and the main event submits Mr. Till in the third round via rear naked choke.

Till had his moments early on. He had his moments a little bit later, but for the most part, this is the Derek Brunson show. He gets it done five wins in a row. He called for Israel out of Sonia next. And we will see if that is the direction the UFC in the middleweight division heads. As we welcome you to the UFC Vegas 36 post-fight show here on MAAfighting.com. I am Mike Heck. I am not alone. Thank goodness. We got my best friend, Prince of positivity, Alex Cayley, in the house. How are you, sir? I'm lively and awake. It's not even, it's just barely 630 East Coast time.

For some people, it is 3.30. It's the middle of the day. This is a beautiful time to be watching MMA and to be talking about MMA. I agree. The UFC needs to do this at least once a month. Catering to this time slot. It's beautiful. Absolutely fantastic.

To the beautiful people of the UK. The people in the UK are right. This is when an MMA is supposed to happen. I agree. And on the ones and twos, Fat of Stash and MA Media, E, Casey Leiden. Hey, hey. I absolutely love this start time.

That was the true performance of the night, was starting the fights so dang early. Yes, I would agree with that 100%. I would also agree that Derek Brunson has every right to call for a title fight right now. Will he get the next one? Probably not, but has he put himself firmly into that conversation? Absolutely. goes out there,

weather's the early Darren Till storm, and then eventually, I mean, probably a 10-8 first round in the end of that. I mean, it was pretty darn close. I mean, that was one-way traffic for the last half of that round plus. And then Brunson took control in the second.

Till had a couple moments in the third, but in the end, Brunson gets it done and stops Darren Till. He did exactly what he needed to do, A.K. So overall, were you surprised that this was such a dominant performance from Derek Brunson? I was not. I, listen, anyone who listened to me pre a fight, I admit my recollection of Taryn Tills' fights was very shaky. So I do apologize in advance for some of that, my lackluster analysis.

But at the heart of it was my thought that he's, and this is something that Casey said before as well, Till is just so unproven at 185. Like, we kind of know how good he was at 170. And at 185, it was really only a sample size of two fights, a close one that he won over Gaslam, and then a really competitive fight with Whitaker, though, that he clearly clearly lost, but a competitive fight. So we know he can hang with the best, but is he one of the best? And that's why Derek Brunson was such a perfect opponent, because Derek Brunson's

whole story is he can beat a lot of sort of mid-tier middleweight competition, but he can't beat the best. So tonight, we, so today we would find out is Till middle-tier competition or is he one of the best? Because if he's one of the best, he's probably going to win. If he's mid-tier, Brunson's probably going to run over him. We got the ladder. We got Brunson using his wrestling, just relying on it and a solid chin, some good striking defense, and going with his fundamentals to win the fight.

So, no, I was not surprised at all. I thought, again, Till looked good when he was on the feet, as we suspected, and Brunson looked great and he could get the fight to the ground. So this really played out, I think, as not just me, but I think a lot of people would have predicted. What did you think, Casey? I think we were all kind of curious as to who Darryntill was as a fighter, especially at 185. Was he good? Was he pretty good?

Like, how good was he? We weren't really sure. I mean, AK talked about it, small sample sizes. I feel like the ceiling was very high for Darren Till, but we weren't really sure what we were going to see. And then Derek Brunson goes out there and just does the damn thing. So your thoughts on Brunson's performance,

what he was able to do, and, you know, how Darren Till looked in this fight as well. I wanted to go back to what AK said. Even your question, we're asking about Darren Till, Darren Till, Darren Till. Like, it seems even though he dominated, and he's going to win 50K, he just won a main event, dominated Darren Till, like, maybe no other person, maybe other than Tyron Woodley, I'm thinking in the UFC. Well, we got knocked out, of course, but, like Mazvedal.

But at least just in a main event fight, like, just, we're not talking about Derek Brunson still. We're still talking about Darren Till. It doesn't move. The conversation is all about Derek Brunson and how good Derek Brunson is. Darren Till, we kind of came in. I think me and AK, we were both very confident that Brunson was going to win this fight. We just thought he's a better mixed martial artist. He's a much better wrestler, much better grappler.

And essentially, Derek Brunton would have to get caught with something. And even though Derek Brunton is maybe past his athletic prime, he's almost 38 years old, the experience he has he has right now. And just look at that third round. He got, Till heard him, Till heard him. And then Brunson remained controlled, got a controlled takedown, not a desperate takedown, got a controlled takedown, and wound up finishing the fight after getting hurt, only like 30 seconds before that from Till.

So just a great performance from Derek Brunson. He's so much better than the Brunson that I think people, fans want to kind of go back to Like the St. Brunson that lost to Romero, the St. Brunson that lost badly to Izzy. Hey, Izzy was the freaking champ. You know, he lost the champ on purpose. He lost the champ for a reason. The champ's the champ for a reason. And, yeah, if Brunson fought Izzy tomorrow, I would still be heavily in favor of Stalbender winning that fight.

But that doesn't take away from how good Derek Brunson is. And without a doubt, Derek Brunson is an elite, elite middleweight. And he's right up there for a title fight. Now, is the UFC going to give him one? Does he move the needle enough? That's all another story. But skill-wise, absolutely Derek Brunson. Great performance.

Darren Till, I say going to this, he's a good middleweight, and I still think he's a top-10 middleweight. He's just, he lost to a much better fighter tonight. And yeah, and Derek Brunson showed up. Yeah, I would agree with everything you just said. And to me, and I said this on the previous show, I said this on the pre-fight show with Sean Brady as well. Derek Brunson just getting a win puts him higher than Jared Kennedy,

in my opinion. In my opinion. A win over Darren Till. Yeah, a win over Darren Till means more than a win over Calvin Gasol. Especially how he did it. It's just the way that it is. Yeah.

Him finishing, this is a no doubter right now. So the ball is in Derek Brunson's court, in my opinion. He can choose to fight Jared Cannon-Air if he wants to, but he could also sit around and he could wait for the title fight if he wants her too. He has Primo, he's in the driver's seat, okay? Would you agree with that? He's in the driver seat over Jared

Cannonair in terms of the on-deck circle for the title fight. Oh yeah. I mean, look, much like Carla Sparza, he's just about guaranteed himself a title fight with the... Oh, wait a minute. Too soon. Too soon. Oh, no. Yeah, look, in a fair and just world, of course

he's done enough to earn a title fight. Again, we were saying like okay, again, maybe he's like, he hasn't proven still. that he can get that win over a top five guy. That's fine, that's fine. But when you're building contenders, there's some equivalence, you know,

when someone can string together at least a strong enough win streak. Again, you do want to see him get that win over another top five guy. But like, I don't see why Brunson and Canaaner can't both get title shots. Like, I think you're right, Mike. I think Brunson leapfrogged him.

If I had to pick one of the two, I would certainly go with Brunson and say that Canonere is now the one who needs one more win to get a title shot. But I understand if fans are like, well, we've seen Brunson fight at Asana, the cannoneers, the fresh matchup. Again, to me, that's not fair. I think Brunson has done more recently to earn the title shot. But I get it from fans, UFC probably as well.

Again, they always would favor fresh matchups over rematches unless, you know, we're talking about like McGregors and, you know, their Kabibs and things like that. But like those kind of level stars, then you want to see them fight as much as possible. But for Brunson, again, they just don't see him that way. And unfortunately, he just can't seem to get any leverage with the matchmakers. Even with tonight, like one of, I think, one of his best performances during this win streak he's been on. So, yeah, I, yes, he's done enough. Would I bet money on him getting a title shot without having a fight again? I would not.

I would not. If you're Jared Canaaner, Casey, and you're watching that performance, what do you think of him? Are you like, ah, I don't know who I'm going to have to fight now, but might not be this guy. If I'm Jared Cananeer, I'm jumping and using those Twitter fingers and going calling out Brunson. I think that's all he can do. I definitely think he got leapfrogged. I think it's really, actually, I think he's really, I know we said Derek Brunson's in the driver's seat, but I actually, I still think he's closer to the driver's seat.

I think before Derek Brunson was in the backseat, I think Derek Brunson's at least writing shotgun now. He can control the radio. I don't think he's in the driver's seat. yet but um jared canineer yeah he was um behind behind darren till he was the biggest loser tonight the second biggest loser because yeah um uh yeah for canineer either yeah maybe yeah you just called up brunson i'm not sure i'm not sure what to do honestly if i'm if i'm canonair right now i wait a month and i call out darren till if i'm jared caninare either way the name still

the name still has value one and two You know, I mean, he has the opportunity to do it better. I'll finish him in the second rounds. Like, name that finish. I'll just get out there. You did in three rounds? I'll do it in two. I'll do it in two and a quarter.

Real quick, I want to just hit on this. I pulled these from Tapology, and this isn't the betting lines. This is in, and, uh, and, uh, Derek Brunson's last three fights. This is what the fans picked as far as predictions. Look at that. Yeah. Good. Even our, let me, let me check our everybody's fighting.

Just think, just think, but we're saying, we're saying, we're saying, should be fighting for the title shot. And yet in the last three fights, these are hardcore M.A. fans and nobody believes in Derek Brunson. There's nobody. I don't, I, it's, it's fascinating, to be honest. It's fascinating.

I picked him, I picked him, I think Brunson two out of three. I didn't pick him in the Holland fight, but I'm pretty sure I picked him to beat Chabasian, Chabazian. But like, he was the biggest underdog. But like, he's slowly, Brunson is slowly creeping up, though. He went from 13 to 21 to 37, so, you know. to be what he'll be what it's eight it's 16 so he'll be like 30 yeah he'll be he'll be the

favorite in the next one according to the tap all unless he fights izzie then probably not uh m mhm a fighting our tweet uh before what i which i put up before the fight uh 75% darren till till to win 75% do emma do do do do mhm fans know what they're watching or is it or they or they just loved him it's yeah that i mean like we're not we're not darn till unfortunately we're not round one isn't no the pre-fight talk you know round two isn't you know his twitter talk round three isn't you know his IG live this is unfortunately this is just him in the cage and in the cage tonight he was just no match for derrick brunson yeah he came out fire and i was like this is what i thought was going to happen he's gonna he's gonna ping derrick a couple times but

dark got the takedown and everything changed from there we got bonus we got bonuses i said even till said he had never faced a rler that was like front of it. I guess I wouldn't would be the closest but he said even he was worried about the wrestling he says this is a very different challenge and he was right I mean really hasn't recently Gasolam's a guy who doesn't use his wrestling offensively that much and that's about it otherwise he's had some pretty favorable stylistic matchups as far as strikers go so yeah

people should have known I mean I will I pick brunson all right but we're doing bonuses now okay yeah go ahead Casey go ahead are they wait is there a fight of the night yes Okay, there's a fight of night. Ooh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. Okay, two performances. Patty and Derek Brunson.

And Fight of the Night. I like DeRosa Jordane a lot, so that's my pick. You were two for four. Casey, we just said, we just said the UFC has no respect for Derek Brunson. You really thought they were going to give him a bonus? You didn't give him a bonus? Nope. He was the underdog.

He was the underdog. He made a minute. finished Darren too. Oh my God. I got to go. Do you know that you know it there? All right, okay? I saw the man.

Okay. So Tom Aspinall, Patty Pimbled, and then Molly McCann, Gian, Gian Kim was the fight of the night. I had no problem for that fight of the night. That was my... That was a great fight.

That was a great fight. That was a great fight. I have no... Actually, I didn't pick that... I put that one on our little, on our Slack channel for kind of... Hey, remember this one fight of the year, guys. And, um, McKan and...

Hey, that was my sleeper fight of the night, too. Well done. I like that matchup. I don't know why people were kind of down on. Did they think that, I guess they thought Kim was going to kind of, I guess the 10-inch reach advantage. They thought Kim was just going to pick her apart for three rounds. But I'm like, I don't know if she has like the motor to kind of keep up with like what

McCann can put out there, which is exactly what we saw. Like she kind, I mean, she, McCann was getting hit for sure. And in great moments. But like, I was like, I was like, Macint. I mean, no one else had to use it. Well, all the champs you just need the tallest fighters then. I mean, that's just not the way. Yeah.

Yeah. Like who else couldn't you? Who was the other fighter that really struggled with using their, I think, was it a Rosa a little bit? Yeah, Rosa a little bit is a guy who never really uses his range that much. I don't know. It's a funny thing. Yeah, as you're right. There's just so many ways to attack someone in M.M.A.

that it's just pure, pure arm reach advantage just doesn't tell the whole story. I don't understand. I mean, Tom Aspenov, great victory, but I don't think there's anyone picking him to lose his fight other than. heavily favored. other than spitback. It was a very cool finishing sequence, though. Kind of, like a knee to the body. Knee elbow,

elbow. Yeah, boom, boom. It was sick. But, I mean, I don't know. I would, yeah, that's whatever. Patty was a lock.

Patty was a lock. But even then, I still understand a performance bonus his work because Patty was getting his butt kicked and then he wins. So that's good. I mean, it's cool finish, but like,

I don't know. They like that. They like that. The UFC likes that. He showed grit. Why didn't a round tree get one of them? Why didn't round tree? That was a, because that was just disgusting.

And they didn't even, they didn't even show, they didn't even show that clip on their, on the social media. They didn't even write, they didn't show it. Round tree got, I mean, you knew Patty was, you knew Patty was getting one. Even if Patty got, yeah, Patty was a lot. Even if Patty got pieced up 110 strikes to two in the second one knocked out, Luigi Benjamin, he was getting a bonus. If he wanted a decision, he was getting a bonus, let's just put that out there.

The way they were pushing him, if he just won, he was getting a bonus, but he deserved. That was nuts. Absolutely insane. Like when someone says, do you remember that fight card headline by Derek Brunson and Darren Till? The first thing I'm going to remember is Patty Pimblitz win because that was insane. And the way, like, I've not heard the UFC Apex that loud ever, ever, except for like the first season, the contender series was there when they let like, 15, 200 people in there. Other than that, with like the, like, since the pandemic began, that was the loudest I had heard that building easily. Yeah, the crowd was pretty active throughout.

There was some chance for Brittany Palmer. There was apparently one guy trying to get a Let's Go Tom, let's go Tom Aspinall chant going, which did not go anywhere. Fell a little flat. But yeah, it was kind of a cool environment. Again, we've said many times like, oh, what if this could have been? How insane would that have you been in London? Oh, my God.

I mean, that would have been one of the moments in here. The Molly McCannett fight. so it was exciting and then the Tom Aspinall win like it would have just been they would have been only slightly deflated by the main event but other than that there were in so many memorable moments did they you know it would have been tough because he was getting grounded like a lot

it was like a prolonged beating you know it wasn't like so that part would have been tough but they would have remembered aspinall pimblit McCann like Jack Shore looked great it wasn't the most exciting fight but he looked he looked great looks like a real legitimate contender at 135 so but yeah pimblit look pimblit was the man And a lot of people might not like his personality, but guess what? That's how stars are made.

You got people that send a lot of people to love you, a lot of people that don't like you. And a lot of people are just talking about you. And that's the thing. I saw people on both sides talking about Pimplett. Some saying, man, this guy's the next big thing. Something, how excited they were to see him finally make these two and get like humble. So we're like, yeah, I want to see this guy get exposed. So this was like a mix of everything.

They got to see him get hurt. You got to see him get a win. He got a good promo after. This was the exactly the kind of debut that, the UFC would hope for. We'll see what happens. If they're smart, they don't push him too quickly. I saw some, no, no, no, no.

I can't wait for on to the next one to see these DMs to see what kind of matchups that people are suggesting for patting pimlet because good grief. It's going to be, it's probably going to be funny. We're probably going to see a mixed bag of everything. So Tom Aspernel, Big Win. Tom Aspital, Big Win. Alex Verona, another victory against David's,

Sewarda, Cleo Roundtree. We talked about that was nasty, and he came out with that Eric Anders fight intensity. We talked about Patty Pimmittal Mali McCann, big win, needed that one badly. Jack Shore looked great. Juliana Rosa, such a dog, man, such a dog. I thought Julia Rosa got robbed of a performance. That submission was awesome. He was, it was third round, right?

Yep. Yeah, third round, and he was on his way of losing the fight, correct? There's one-one. One-one cards had it won-one. Yeah. Okay, I had it to Jordan, but either way, it was a great, great submission. Yeah. And then Mark Andre Barrio. Is that close, A.K.?

No. Ish. Delchalun, and, yes, he beat Dalchellon Lungin Bula. Go ahead. Yes, he wins as well. So, what are the peeps saying? What are the peeps saying? Let's go, let's go to the peeps. Sorry, for the peeps.

If you threw some questions or comments in earlier, feel free to throw them again. I'll probably miss them. No, yeah. Spam, guys. Now's the time to spam. Spam your questions. Now's the time. All right, here we go.

Here we go. Let me go to the top. Let me go what we got. I take a couple ones. That's annoying. What? You're a muffler. You don't hear it?

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Conditions apply. Yeah, during the Q&A with Sean Brady, everyone's like, Casey's the best admin when it comes to putting comments up. And you're absolutely right. Casey, I'll let you answer this question. What's next for Darren Till? This really depends on Darren Till's ego, to be honest.

If I'm Darren Till's coaches, I give him not Jared Cannonier, not anyone inside the top ten. I give someone outside the top top. I think Darren Till need someone. I don't have a name in particular. I can't, if you throw me some names, I'll help you, but I could do better. But someone outside the top ten. I think Darren Till needs, he needs a, for his own confidence, and just to remind people who he is, kind of what he can do, he needs a, we need a showcase fight for Darren Till. And it's been a while since he's had a showcase fight.

And so outside the top 10 and not a main event. Just, I think he just needs to be a fighter on a card. This was not a good night for Darren Till. And this is a bad one for him. So, yeah. I just don't think that's possible, though. That's a problem, yeah. I don't think it's not possible.

I don't know why it's not possible, but it should be. Because, I'm sorry, I got to get the rankings up. But let me think about that one. Yeah. I mean, I'll throw this out there. This is just top of my head. This might not be my final decision. But I think he gets the winner of Luke Rockhold versus Sean Strickland.

The winner. He's the winner. I was going to say maybe the loser. I was going to say maybe the loser of that fight. I don't know. I mean, if Strickland wins, Darren Till, like with the namesake, seems like a pretty logical next step. Tills is there for, I mean, Till, Tills name has value. A win over Darren Till means something. No matter what his record is. It just is. It's crazy. How did he get to this? He draws eyeballs and people care about him. And if you get over on

Darren Till, that's a big deal. We already have Strickland ranked higher than Till in our rankings in our I know. Why should he have to go back? I don't know. I would say the loser of that fight, maybe. Or maybe if Rockhold won. I think if Rockhold won, I'd be more in favor of him having to fight Till. I think Strickland can leapfrog him.

I understand the value of the name. I'm also looking. A lot of guys are booked. I think Kevin Holland, obviously, is a perfect opponent. He's fighting Kyle Dawkins on October 2nd. So I think if Holland, I think Holland win or lose would be such a great opponent for Darren Till, right? Like, isn't that the perfect guy? Darren Till.

Holland's not even ranked, is he? Till might not be ranked after this loss. Darren Till. He's probably going to go to two spots. Are you kidding me? Daryin. Dill versus Uriah Hall. Yeah.

I don't dislike that. I don't dislike that. Daryntil versus Jariah. Two names. Both guys have name value. Their name value is bigger than their actual ranking. You know, so it's a fight that you could,

you could almost main event a fight night for that if you wanted to. Oh, definitely, definitely. Yeah. Okay, then for agreement. Yeah, so it's a fight night main event. Yeah. Yeah, I like that fight.

Yeah, that's fine. It's amazing. It's amazing that he has so many options still after losing a fight, like in such a one lopsided fashion. Like all these names you mentioned, there's a lot of good fights for him. And it's true. In a lot of these fights, maybe his name wouldn't be first on the poster or in our headlines or whatever.

But like to a lot of fans, he would be the A side somehow. Like if he was matched up with Sean Circlan, there's a lot of fans who would I don't think he'd be favored, but I think it'd be surprising, like, how many people would expect him to beat Sean Strickland, which is like, based on what? I don't even know anymore. But you're right. There's something about him. The fact that we're still talking about Till way more than Brunson. That's only because of, that's not like a NAMC-C-blam-A. But all the comments are like, I would say like 85% till something this, till something that. I mean, just, you know, we flow with what the people want to hear, you know. And in fairness, I think it's because it's a little more obvious. Also, what's next for Brunson either he's either way or. Or wait, hope, fingers crossed. No one else emerges as a really strong contender. And he gets a title shop.

But that's a lot of waiting and that's a lot of ifs. So, but again, that's, yeah, that's true. Dude, let me just say on the preview show, like, I didn't feel like I was talking crap on Darren Till, but I got about five or six kind of semi-nasty messages from Till fan saying, you know, oh, you don't know. He dropped Whitaker. He dropped Whitaker. Like, they were very good. That was my fault. That was my fault

They should have to read for it I do have to read something Because there are some good people out there Okay there are some Some very honest, humble people out there Name them Who are these people? I believe

I believe this is one of the commenters Dalton Collins Okay Who wrote I apologize My memory served me wrong Darren didn't floor Rob He did catch him But it wasn't what I thought it was

You was right He kind of pushed him down So there you go people who went back and actually watched it there you go and then I was like it's all good 900 fights there are like there's so many fights that we have to remember there's fights every weekend

there's certain things that aren't as clear and that's all that was but people still love Darren Till I get it I totally get it that's why his name carries such weight it just oh yeah and trust me I didn't get mean ones they were just like bro I can't believe you're not Darren Till

he's gonna know it's and I respect it because then you're Till fans and be a fan of your guy, but we're just talking to reality. We didn't even like, no one, like, we all picked Brunson to win, but no one was like trashing Darren Till. We just don't know enough about him as a fighter. Like, we just don't. My only thing for Till is, why not for his benefit?

Why can he, Casey raised an excellent point as to like, okay, why is Darren Till favored or over Derek Brunson heading in this fight? And we kind of said, well, if you would switch their, like, recent opponents, let's say Darren Till had gotten a fight like Elias Diodoro or like Ian Heinish, Like he probably would have won those fights as well. He could have been entering this fight with Brunson on a two-fight to be fight winning streak. And again, we don't know for sure, but certainly he'd be favored in those matchups

and that's fine. So why can't we do this with Till now? Can he not, is he not allowed to take a step back? I'm sure he doesn't want to. But can the matchbreakers not sort of suggest take a step back, maybe fight someone in the 14 to 20 range, like outside the rankings. Let's get you a win streak going. Because that's what Brunson did.

Like Brunson lost to Jacare and Izzy. And it's not like they said, well, now we're throwing you in with another back into the top of Dean just because you probably want it. It's like, no, we're going to put you in with Elias. We've been there with Dean Hynish. He went to the other way, but he definitely went outside the rankings.

Can we not get Till some more, I'm not saying walkovers, but some more like clearly favorable style matchups and winnable fights? There's a lot of good guys at 185 who he can beat, I think, just not in the top 10 right now. So I don't know. Again, maybe he does,

I know he doesn't need it. I know we're saying it's wins and losses don't matter for him right now, but at some point they will. And I think he'll look better. year from now with a couple of wins under his belt. It's because Derek Brunson makes far less than Darren Till, I'm sure. I'm sure Darren Till is paid much more handsomely, which is not necessarily fair.

It'd be Derek Brunson is won five in a row and is knocking on the door of a title fight. But Darren Till has climbed the ranks at 170. He got to fight for a belt. He got, you know, when you do that, you get a nice fat contract. I'm sure he's still reaping the benefits of that deal. And that's it. So that's why. I mean, Derek Brunson, they're just like,

Derek probably gets decent money, but him fighting Ian Hinesh and Elias Theodoro and those guys, like it made more sense business-wise because he wasn't making six figures a fight. And as we've kind of said, and as we kind of said a bunch of times, somehow even those wins, though, he's not more popular than Darren Till.

So I don't know. Maybe winning isn't everything, right? Yeah. Darren Till, like, if Phil Hawes, Like, Darren Till Phil Hawes would be interesting. Like, if Phil Hawes wins his next fight. There's no way that happens.

That would be the kind of match week I'd like to see. Darren Till against another wrestler. But Phil will probably just stand there and try to knock his block off. But, yeah, I mean, that's there too. I was at about three or four years ago when Derek was still at Jackson's in Albuquerque. And, sorry.

Hey. Hey. Till, sorry, I'm sorry, I did. Brinson was still training in Albuquerque. Man, I saw him train and, you know, just do wrestling scrambles with Phil Hawes. And just watching just those two behemists of men just scramble on the mats, I was just like, good Lord. I was just like, it was just like, the athleticism was just like so impressive. I was like, man, there is a different level between like me punching the bag and those two gentlemen.

Like, it was just so far apart. And it was just really incredible watch. So, well, I do like Phil. If I'm Phil Haas, I would love that Darren Till fight. That's all I got to say. Yeah. What else we got? People questions.

Gary Freeman, is this the, she damned Darantil? He's the biggest question, Mark, coming out of this. I mean, we're talking about questions to ask after events. I mean, it's probably, Darren Till is probably most of them, right? Like we know Derek Brunson gets the kudos and he's got two options right now. It's wait for the title or fight Jared Cannonier. And if you win, you definitely fight for the title. So till there's a million questions.

Bronson, there isn't. Casey, we got a question about the oblique kick. You see that from our pal, Tristan Gordette? Where are we at? It might be a bit up there. It might have passed by. Well, we can just talk about it. I don't know.

We can see. Yeah, I'll just, I'll just be. What is it say? Justin says, do you think the oblique kick to the need should be banned? Many fighters got on Twitter saying that it should. I assume we're all in favor of not banning, but I could be wrong. Who wants to go first? I understand.

Do you have some of the Twitter comments from fighters? Oh, sure, sure. Let me go ahead. I'll read it. I'll find it. Just so waxing poetic on here. You know what? I was very, I never understood that.

People go, oh, make those illegal, you know. But then actually, I was talking to Sarah Kaufman. and she kind of was in agreement about making them illegal. And it made sense a little bit because I don't, I still think they should be legal, but she was saying since those kicks, the intention of those aren't to break down the muscle or bruise the leg like normal kicks are.

The intention that kick is strictly to rip apart the ligaments in the knee. And in MMA, well, any type of submission, there's an option to tap out, if you could get caught in some sort of knee bar or, you know, a hill hook or anything. there's an option to tap out. The problem of those kicks, there's no option to tap out either. You get hit with it and your knee goes or it doesn't go.

So I kind of get that reasoning because there's no option to tap on such a catastrophic injury. But it's a Zimae and you, like Roundtree said, you can't be heavy on your foot. You can't be heavy on that lead foot. That's why he got, that's why Becoskas got nailed up it because he was heavy. with that jab. He put a pattern out there that Roundtree recognized and he capitalized it. And even Roundtree threw one maybe 15 seconds before that and completely missed. And Bukakis didn't take that as a warning. And he still went the same, you know, game plan throwing a jab of a heavy lead foot. And unfortunately, it went very south for him. So I don't think it should be illegal, but I get why you

should. I'll read some of the reactions here. Al Jemaine Sterling said, who wants to go into a fight, throw a jab and get their entire knee destroyed? Ouch, ow. I shouldn't have read those. That's devastating. Jeannua, hurt, hate those. Those are threatening. Tiana Swar had one of the toughest reactions. She said, oh, M.G, no, that's how my knee looks. As far as, of course, is dealing with her own knee problems. S word, S word, S word. Literally sick to my stomach. Balal Muhammad, that's a Nekshri. banned, that's career changing.

There's a bunch of more. But you guys can find that on the MAFighting.com. We compiled those. And it was a nice graphic on Instagram as well, I believe. So, yeah. So that's how the fighters, a lot of the fighters felt about it. I didn't see a lot of defenses. I didn't see a lot of people saying to not ban it.

But Mike, I don't know. And Roundtree said a lot, he said a lot good stuff in the little post-fi interview. Those are kicks. Like you really, if you do train them and sparring, you throw them at maybe 5%, maybe 5%. maybe, and they don't even touch your partner, like, because they're so, like, it doesn't take very much pressure. And, dude, that's, what, a 225-pound man coming down on that leg?

That's, it's brutal. The sports, it's just a brutal sport. And I think I sent a tweet out there right when it happened. I was like, we are all sickos for watching this, because we're like, good technique, good technique. You know, it's just, I mean, I get what we're watching. We understand the, what's at stake here. It's just like, but sometimes,

man, whew, it's a, I mean, that could be career ending for Bacoccas, you know, or he's out, he's out for, I mean, according to Dr. Bisbane, he know, MCO, PCL, meniscus, everything's gone. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was, it was, it was awful to watch, so I don't know. I mean, it's, it's kind of tough for me to say that they should ban it or shouldn't ban it. It's, it's kind of, we don't see it that often at this point, but yeah, it's brutal. watch. I will say that, but maybe each fighter, like, when they get their contracts, they can write in their own no oblique kick clause. And then you just can't do it.

So my only question is, why are we okay? This is asked by a lot of people who are sort of defending the technique is why are we okay with, why are we so offended by that and why are we okay with guys giving each other brain damage? Like, I don't understand, like, what is, there

is, again, it's not, it's certainly not the same thing. But if we're talking about like, this is something that could affect someone's life and their career. There have been more career as probably ended by bad COs and long-lasting concussions than there have been by oblique kicks. So why do we – I don't know – visually, it's certainly different. I mean, seeing Bukascus's leg just buckle like that. I mean, I'll be – hopefully, fingers crossed, it's nothing serious.

I'll be shocked if they're in some sort of tear. So visually, it looks worse. I understand that. But if we're talking about the deleterious effect that these kind of – of like all these techniques can have on someone's life, how can you be okay with one and not the other? That's like, I don't understand. I mean, it's just where we draw the line.

Like, like, we don't allow, you know, we don't allow strikes to the back of the head, back into the spine. Like, why not? Why not? You should be able to know, it's like, we allow head kicks. Why don't we allow strikes to the back of spine? We can be permanently paralysis for the rest of your life.

12. Elbows. Why 12. So I'm just saying. Soccer kicks. You are correct to AK what you said, but there's essentially a line. at some point, you know, we've drawn the line at, you know, spine attacks and back of the head

attacks, you know, eye gauges. So we have drawn a line in the sand as far as what can be, what's too dangerous and what side of the line is oblique kicks on, you know? I think that's kind of, it's a gray area. The other thing is, but I think I understand both arguments, basically. From a, I will say, from a fan standpoint, I get it. Listen, we're really bad still, I think, and combat sports at how we deal with brain injuries and knockouts. Like, for me, Honestly, if you suffer like a vicious head kick knockout, I think you should be out for like a year. I know that's not feasible. The guys don't make enough money where they can do that.

If a doctor says they can fight again in three months, they're going to do it. I completely understand. Something like a ligament tear or something, you don't have that option. If you tear a ligament, like again, if this is Bukascus, this is a serious injury, he's out for at least like nine months plus rehab plus, like this could be over a year of his career gone. Now, again, like I said, I think that should be the case with knockouts too, but it isn't. That's why I think fans are like, wow, we don't mind. a guy gets knocked out, get some rest. He can be back in the cage in three or four months.

It's all good. But I think if we started treating all these injuries more equally, then they would be taking them out for longer periods of time. So I think there's a fan, and for us as well, there's a fan aspect. There's a media aspect of as well that at least someone can still fight again later in a year. If they get a head injury, which they shouldn't. But if they get a knee, a leg, knee, anything like that, ankle, heel,

then they're out no matter what. So that's fine. That's another argument for banning that move. but I think it's very much all the same. Listen, we can't even fix the eye-poke, the eye-poking problem in M-M-A. So until we even get some sort of improvement on the eye-poking, we can't even talk about changing rules of oblique kicks altogether. We can't even fix the eye-pokes.

We can't fix that. So until that happens, we have to table this one. But, yeah, I mean, I'm probably more with you, AK. It just, I mean, just watching it sucks because it, It's really awful. Horrible. But that's it. That's it.

I'm not saying we should ban it or not ban it. It's a technique. It's a big special. That's a fight. It's a fight. And like I mentioned earlier, I'll just reiterate. You have to adjust your offense expecting that kick. And yeah, that takes away a lot of the striking aggressiveness, you know, that Bukhas or whoever the victim would be.

You just got to be much more wary of that. And yeah, that's all. It makes striking less fun because fighters have to be a little more conservative because now they have to watch. There's so much to watch out for. So, yeah, just cross your fingers and just hope your opponent isn't clear roundtree. Is that the worst one we've seen in the UFC in a while? Ever, right?

At least by oblique kick. Yeah, I've seen them in other organizations. I remember Miguel Torres got hit for, like, when you post-UFC in the regional circuit, he got hit for a bad one. That was a while back. But like Mike said, they don't happen often, but when they do, it's disgusting. You know, and you just feel extremely bad for the fighter. Maybe, you know, if they start happening like once a month, I don't know.

I think there's going to be a lot more, a lot more people questioning the legality of it. Or if it should be a legal move, if it starts happening more and more often. Because it's going to hurt promoters of their pocketbook because eventually, yeah, it was Bacchus. But, you know, what happens, am I saying his name right? Yeah, yeah. Cascas. It's Goscis. I felt like I was missing a syllable.

But yeah, but once this starts happening to those money fighters, you know, they get their knees blown it, then I, you guarantee promoters or start talking to commission guys. Yeah,

that's how it goes. Yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah, guys, hit us up some more questions. Guys, now is the time for questions. Yeah, we got, yeah. What's the common? I mean, this is one of those events

where there's like not a ton of them. I mean, there were only nine fights. Yeah. or comments. Really impressed you. Yeah. Hit us up.

Yeah. I mean, there are nine fights. The big storylines are pretty clear outside of like Darren Till's future. I mean, it's just kind of is what it is. Tom Asinol called up Blagoi Ivanov. There you go. He doesn't, he's in no rush. He's like, dude, I'll just fight number 12.

I'll fight number 11. Like, I'm in no rush to fight for the title. He's happy with the slow burn. If you're named Sergey, he'll fight you. That's right Sergey Heretanoff Sign up

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I'm just looking Who's ahead of him Here Some of the names Some of the people are booked So forgive me I'm just throwing names out there Christakis

Marks Nibura Shumiel Abderakimov Volkov's out there So yeah He has plenty of options There's been a for Aspinol. What a talent, though, eh? What a talent this guy is.

He's shown, like, he's winning people over with this knockout power. And the crazy thing is, like, his base is, like, you know, grappling. He has, like, came up as a grappling specialist guy. But he's a great athlete, very agile for heavyweight. We always like to see that with guys like him and Francis Ngano and Cedil Ghan. So for that. And then plus, he has this grappling base. And that's legit.

How old is he? He's not old, right? He's, um, mid-20s, I think. 26, 26. Oh, no, sorry, he's 28. 28. So, yeah, he's just, he's, for heavyweights. He's not, he's not, he's still a couple.

We could see. 16 years left at heavyweight. Yeah. It's true. You know what? I would say this about Tom Asmon. I don't know if he's going to fight for a belt or whatever, but I do know that we are going to see him fighting at a top level for the next 10 years, whatever organization.

You know, he, he, he has a fighting style that's, that is going to, it's going to do well for him. and being from the UK. I think he can give a lot of guys' problems in this division, a lot of guys' problems. You know, but he was one of those guys right when I saw, I think maybe a second fight in the UFC. I was like, all right, this guy's good. There was something about the way he moved, his knockouts.

I was like, okay, this guy's, he just needs the right. He just needs bigger name opponents. And if he's not in a rush, then good on him. Good on his management, good on his coaches for giving him the right opponents and not pushing him too fast. I don't know if that's on the UFC or the manager side, but they're doing a great job. whoever's the matchmaking Patama Aspinall.

Great job. Agreed. What else? What else we got? Have we had a response like Paddy's in these events without fans? Yeah, I mean, we talked about that earlier. I mean, that was the loudest I've heard the apex since the pandemic began. No doubt about it.

Yeah. It's too bad. This wasn't in London. That's all. Oh, I know. And come on. It would have been a Connor. like Connor and Dublin type pop.

Oh no, no, not even that. It would have been a Connor, what was it? Who did he fight in Boston when he came out to the Champions Walk in the middle of the card? Was it a Holloway? He wasn't even the main event. It was like in, I think it was. Yeah, it had to have been because the other time he fought in Boston, it was the main event. Yeah, when he came, I think it was the first, it was that Boston card.

I think it was headlined by Chell versus Shogun. Dude, it sounded like Jose Young. Wow, that's a long. Yeah, I know. Yeah, and when Connor came out, the UFC gave him kind of like a main event-type walkout. I felt if this was normal times, they would have done the same thing for Patty. It would have worked. But Venom, go to the fabric store, buy some orange fabric, mix some shorts for Mr. Patty.

Get a Sharpie, draw your little fangs on it, make a little Venom logo, and there you go. Stop. Come on, man. Make these guys stick out. Make them pop. Jeez. God, I'm so upset. Turn the music up, too.

I wanted to hear that jam. Casey, you get the chance. Can you get Scott McCraight's question about can you rate the commentary tonight? He's asking us about the commentary. Oh, look at that. How do you do that? Scott McCrae, yeah. Can you read it?

I was, so it's funny. So I was thinking there was a lot of moments where I bothered by the commentary because they got sidetracked quite a bit. And we're not talking with it. Long stretches, it's okay guys go on tangents. I mean, that's when you have former fighters, you want them to bring the sort of character and bring their stories to the commentary.

Otherwise, you'd get boring people like us on there. Well, no, Mike, you've actually done it before, so I shouldn't say that. But speaking, so I'll speak for myself. But at the same time, it's like, sometimes there's like a lot happening on screen. And when they're not calling it, it's so disorienting. And again, I really want to get their educated opinions

and sort of like why something's happening. how it unfolded a certain way. So I don't like it when they go too far on tanges. But Scott said specifically in his question, he's like, he says that he was entertained. And I think for a lot of viewers, that's the most important thing, right? It's like why a lot of viewers still like Joe Rogan. It's right, it's like we can be kind of in the media can be a bit tight about like, oh, I wish they'd focus on the fight.

I wish they'd understand the scoring criteria better. But at the end of the day, if the viewer is entertained by what the, you know, what the commentary team is saying? Is that not, you know, is that the primary goal of what they're doing, of why they're up there talking? So it's not for me. It's not my kind of thing. But, I mean, that's, again, that's just me criticizing sort of objectively. If you enjoy Rogan, Cormey, Bisping, whoever, Paul Felder, John Anick, I guess that's all that matters, right?

I guess we can't, we don't necessarily need to be so critical when it comes to it. But I'll say, personally, I did not enjoy some of the commentary tonight. So that was sort of my disclaimer. If you liked it, good for you. I wish they could focus a little more in the fights and not kind of stray too much. I'll say is I can't wait till Lorisanko is in the mix

for these fight night cards. Thank you, yes. That's all I'll say. I thought I liked that Dan Helly is okay. I mean, I know he's sort of a newer voice and we're so used to Annick and, you know, now we've gotten accustomed to Fitzgerald

and John Gooden when he's on and then Helly comes on and it's like a little bit of a different sound, but the combination of, Felder and Sanko doing color on Tuesday on the Contender series is phenomenal. It was a great mix. And I think she can, I don't know if serious is the right word, but she kind of injects like a fun seriousness to it where like she's having fun

and showing off her personality, but it's not like over the top silly like some of these things can get. And it gets a little tangony like you said, IK. There are times, especially when the like the European, and fighters are fighting. I kind of shook my head a couple times. You know, a little hometown, a little hometown glory stuff going on.

I mean, Bisbing, you could tell he catches himself and then like finds that middle ground again. But he gets, you could tell he, it kind of gets away from him for a second. But then he has,

he has improved so much in this gig and he's really good at it that he knows and he catches himself and he gets back into it. But I mean, it was, they were fine. When you have Anick in the quarterback role,

he can control it a little bit and stop it before it gets out of control. It's a very tough thing to do. It's really difficult when you have personalities like that and you have to try to control the narrative and kind of keep everybody on track. It's not easy. So I have so much respect for everything John Anick does

because that job is very hard, very difficult. The part of the night, actually, I like the best when I remember it was when actually D.C. went to the Telestrator was actually breaking down how Brunson was getting these takedowns and putting the hand. underneath the butt, you know, emptying out the right way, things like that. That's what I like. That's what I want. But I totally get why that's not what. Maybe the fans at home want that. I don't know. I get entertainment, sports entertainment.

So whatever. Whatever. They're all great. Some people, that's why I love Dominic. And a lot of fans just are annoyed of Dominic because Dominic would get so analytical. But, yeah. And even when I don't agree with Dominic, I respect his viewpoint always, and Dominic kind of focuses on the fight. And yeah, but to each their own, whatever, it's the UFC's business. I like, I like Felder a lot. I think he's a good middle ground. He has a good middle ground.

He's really good. Um, all right. Jack Shore's performance felt underwhelming. Would you agree? I don't think so. I mean, listen, it was it, was it, did he perform like a minus 600 favorite typically would and just go out and starch this kid? No, but he fought a really tough guy, like a very game and tough guy.

And when you don't really, especially when you take on a guy like that on short notice, when you're preparing for a much different opponent in a much different fight, you got to mind your peas and cues. I don't care who it is, especially when you're undefeated. There's a target on your back. There's a lot of, I mean, I know he's not getting all the attention he probably deserves at this record, but at the same time, the heart. Hardcore fans had Jack Shore circled.

So they're all watched them very closely. And if you follow that hardcore trend, Shore was a very popular name. So most people expected, especially the betting lines, he'd just go out there and finish this kid in a minute. Very tough to finish that guy. He's very durable, very game, AK talked about it on the preview show that this wasn't going to be a typical swash match. He was going to give him a little bit of trouble. And, I mean, Shore cruised and did his thing. And he's 15 and 0 now.

I didn't see a big problem with the performance. I thought he showed his striking continues to get better and better. He's able to mix things up nicely. We got to see some different pieces to his game in the UFC that we haven't seen before. I don't think underwhelming is a fair word. Am I crazy? I agree with you. Honestly, he was the third fight from the bottom against a relative unknown fighter to, you know, most UFC fans.

So I think if there's a fight Just to get three solid rounds in Get three solid 10-9s You know and I don't even think he got It was a great performance It was a great mixed martial arts performance And by the third round he was just like He looked so loose in there and so comfortable

Yeah while you While you the fan may be a bit underwhelmed I'm sure Jack Shore and his coaches were very Very we're very satisfied with his performance tonight And he will get higher He will get higher placement in the cards To get bigger name opponents and let's save those breakout performances for then, I think.

I think tonight was just a good performance for Jack Shore, especially his opponent and where he was on the card. I like that. I like that you said he was a strong mixed martial arts performance. This was hashtag MMA. This was MAM. MMA. I was thinking the whole way.

M&A. Look, and I'm using those MMA angles to avoid. No, guys, people will have to keep mind. This was his third scheduled opponent. That's really tough. This was third. And I think this was on a week's notice. And yes, it's definitely.

disadvantage for the guy coming in a short notice, obviously. But it's also a little tricky for the other guy going in, the other guy going in, because he doesn't obviously have time to prepare. This is when you're at this level, it's a bantam weight, which is pretty deep. And again, and Ludwig is tough. Yeah, Ludwig is like, I think when people see, he's probably going to get another shot. I think he'll see, you know, he'll get a show a little bit more. You can't mess around.

We've seen a lot of guys get upset. Remember, what was it, Worley Alves got smoked in like a minute by someone. UFC newcomer. Like, when you don't, you really have to kind of have a more conservative game plan if you're dealing with someone that you don't know a lot about. Because, yeah, we've seen it called Terrence McKinney came in and smoked someone. So these are, Shalini doesn't have quite that, like, explosive knockout power. But in a different way, who knows?

If, if Shore had been too daring with his strategy, too aggressive, he could have been put in his back for three rounds and lose a decision to a guy no one's heard of. And that's just as bad, right? So people will take that in consideration. maybe some of the GSP comparisons were a little crazy. He looked like GSP in there. I understand very technical, very consistent methodical fighter. Maybe pull back on that.

But otherwise, not disappointing at all. There's probably people who lost money who were hoping for a first round finish. Oh, and one more comment from Buffo on the beat. What is that? Is that a, what is that a movie? I don't know. Is that, what is this TV show? Not familiar with.

I don't know what that is. It's a movie. It's on Disney Plus, right? It's a Disney Plus, right? It's a Disney Plus movie, right? Okay, good. Like a Jeannie movie and, yeah, I don't know. These three words me. Such a bad Canadian.

No, I'm kidding. I haven't heard it. I haven't listened to the album, obviously. Shout us, shout us to Drake. I'm sure, I'm sure. There we go. Let's do a little promotion for Drake because he needs it. He needs it.

Yeah, right? Good God. We briefly mentioned this, but let's talk about this fight a little bit. Molly McCanness. Whoa, you got to do the voice. Yeah. Yeah. She's a savage, man.

She's a savage. Oh, she went out there and, you, look, listen, listen, I love Molly McCann. I effing love her. I love Molly McCann. She keeps blowing up my phone. Give me a fight. Every day, every day she's sliding into my DMs. Give me a fight, Dana, give me a fight.

I'm like, Dana, I'm like, Molly, I don't make the fights. I don't make the fights. I just sit in my room and I yell and scream and I turn red and I shave my head every day. And I lift weights, lots of them. Okay, I don't make the fight, but every day, here she is. Send me DMs. I want to fight this girl. I want to fight this girl.

She is a savage. I love Molly McCann. This is Boston and Dana's Dana as I can get. Yeah, amazing. Amazing. Yeah, whatever. Dude, Molly did exactly what she needed. I was so excited about this fight.

Molly being in two-fight losing street, I think she, even if the loss, I honestly, I don't think she would have got our walking papers, but I'm not sure what Molly McCann. I know she's kind of hinted at. has she hinted at retirement or is she just kind of kind of a couple of fights ago wasn't okay last year last before or maybe longer regards maybe before pandemic but no no she left her gloves in the she left her gloves in the cage but it was for

someone had passed I think her father okay it was something else okay more of an emotional and more dedication than I'm walking away okay but either way um no it'll have been three straight losses if she won't lost this fight tonight um I don't think she even got released um I think you've sees a little more she's a I think she's a popular fighter at Flyweight. But, man, just an awesome performance.

Just, you know, I hate using, overused the term Savage, but that's how she fought tonight. She just didn't give a F and just like, I'm just going to go in. It was very like, very, like Bart Simpson, Lisa Simpson. I'm just going to spin my arms like this, and you kick like this, and we're just going to meet in the middle. And that's what she did. And she just out-tuffed Kim, I thought tonight.

I thought Kim was, I think, I thought, I picked Kim coming into this. I thought she was a better overall fighter. but, you know, it was one of those nights where it sounds lazy to say, but I felt she wanted it more. And yeah, that's how she got it. Look, 10 inch reach advantage. I know we were kind of downplaying it before. That's huge.

And for someone who's a good striker. Like, kid is a good striker. Yeah. Okay. Like maybe she can't use, you couldn't use her reach advantage, you know, as like as well as she could have. But like, she used it pretty well. This is, this for me was like the difference between this difference between trying to win a fight,

like trying to win a professional fight and trying to win a, you know, fight, like a human being versus human being fight. And you saw that, Molly McCann today, she's trying to win a fight. This is like, this is like she's, if I don't win, I'm going to die. And she, you know, you said, out-tuffed, out-ugly the fight. Like, when you're facing someone that much bigger than you, you have

to make it ugly. And you're going to get hit a lot, which she did. I mean, she was eating combinations. But she was landing a lot of her own, too. It's, it's really not something every fighter can do. You'll see a lot of fighters who, if they're getting out technique, they just kind of like two now. They just don't have an answer for it. And they just get up getting, you know,

they loot dropping a 30-27 decision. And it's fine. They lived to fight another day. They didn't get knocked out. Momlin-McCat had to risk getting chaos. Like, I mean, she really had to go into some hard shots and could have gotten caoed. And she just said,

screw, it's either, I'm not going to lose his decision. Like, I'm just not going to happen that way. And I thought she was winning that fight in the last minute, you know, I think she lost the first round. Yeah, she lost the first round. First round was close, but I think she lost it. And I think she was on her way to winning in the third round. She won the second round.

And the third round, like four minutes in, it was pretty much her fight, you could tell. But then she was still like, she did her Max Holloway. She was pointing to Matt. She came down with her hands down. She was like, just like, punch me, Kim. She didn't hit the face. I was like, I was like, lady, you are crazy. I like you.

So that is exactly the type of fighter that Dana White loves. So way to make your boss is happy. That's all. And I'm excited. I'm excited to watch them both fight again. That was Boston, Molly McCorm. can. That was the October 2019 in the mall and can right there. No doubt

about it. Congratulations on the 50 Gs for both of them. Should be 100. Yeah. Should be 100. Yes. Yeah, we have some people with some fight suggestions, but we'll say that for you guys doing onto the next. But yeah, I think we're

I think we're good. Oh, oh boy. Oh, no. Oh, hey. Wow. I guess that's officially good. This is a hell of a way to end up. There we All right, we're back. We are back. What happened? It was a monster.

Let's go back to it. All right, yeah. My screen was crazy. It's the beginning of Home Alone when the house gets a little bit bigger and bigger. Like the beginning secrets of Home Alone. All right, we're getting out of here. I think it's a sign. This was a fun show to watch, guys.

This was a fun show to watch. Nine fights, middle of the day. Look at that sunlight. Sunlight. Yes. It's great. Sun is coming down. good old South Carolina here, but it's all over.

The fight car is over. AK and I back tomorrow with On to the next one. So if you got matchmaking suggestions, hit AK up on the DMs, hit me up on the DMs on Instagram. And we will discuss all of those tomorrow on the program. Of course, the MMA hour back on Wednesday, Snowboard, Wednesday, Wednesday, not on Labor Day. On Wednesday. So probably some follow-ups when it comes to this card. in no UFC next weekend.

But next weekend, we got some craziness. Wait, no, wait, no UFC next weekend? Really? No UFC next weekend. I just assumed there's UFC every weekend. I don't mean bother looking at the calendar. They're off to the 18th. And that's a good weekend.

I believe that's the, is that the O.L. Romero Bill Davis weekend, too? Oh, wow. That's a good weekend. Oh, I know. I know it's next weekend. I know it's next weekend. The fight we've all been waiting for.

Holyfield versus. Melford. I was supposed to go down the street. I was supposed to see the dang thing of the forum. And they moved, oh, not the forum, the Stapel was in.

And they moved it across the country. So I'm sitting at home all week now. Yeah, I know. It's okay, because guess who, guess who will probably be there now. Oh.

This guy. All right. Yes, get ready. We'll see. TBD, but it's looking good at this point. Is it Tampa?

Is it Tampa? Or do you know yet? It's in Hollywood, Hollywood, Florida. That's south. At the Seminole hard rock. Okay. Same place to PFL is that.

Okay. Can I just say I see a lot of people watch, we're watching tuned into this show for the last like hour. I love all of you guys watching and commenting. And I don't say it enough. Like I used to say it all the time.

I love everyone watching, commenting, criticizing whatever it is. You guys are the best. You guys watching and whoever listens to this after, you guys are the best. And for all the kind words saying like, where are these guys? We appreciate it.

We are here. We are back. And we got lots to discuss. So we'll see you then. For Casey, for AK. I am Mike Eck. We'll see tomorrow for on to the next one. Have a great rest of the day and night, everybody.

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