MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 38 Post-Fight Show | To No Contest, Or Not To No Contest?

Episode Date: October 3, 2021

Thiago Santos was able to defeat Johnny Walker in a somewhat forgettable main evnt, while the co-main event between Kevin Holland and Kyle Daukaus ended in controversy. MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Alexander K. Lee react to those headlines and more on the UFC Vegas 38 post-fight show. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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All right, we are live, everybody. There's your music. There's your bells and whistles. UFC Vegas 38 has come to an end. And the best friends are back to talk all about it with all of you. We might just turn a people's post-fight show too because there's a lot of different things to discuss. There's really no format here. We should just go to the peeps.

We'll read it out the questions just for the listeners of the podcast. as it can hear it and understand what the hell is going on here. But I am Mike Keck, along my best friend, Alex K. Lee, and A.K., how would you describe the feeling after watching five hours and 45 minutes of that card and the way it ended? And I felt like it was a, it started off good. It started off really good. It was like going to a Red Sox double header. And they win the first game. And then the second game, they just, they lose by like, five.

five runs. That's kind of like what this card felt like to me. Well, my friend, I will say, yeah, it started off fine. It looked like it was kind of living up to everything we were saying, you know, that we often say ahead of cards like this. Like, you know, you may not recognize a lot of the names, but the action should be good. And some of these people are future, you know, could be future contenders. We saw that with like, like Catahosa, Casey O'Neill, Douglas Silva Dandras, good to see him back at 135. So it was not only exciting fights, it kind of looked like, again, people who could be contenders or at UFC mainstays. Jamie Markey also did well.

So it was living up to it. And the main card, I mean, I think we all feel a little empty. I think we all feel a little empty. Boy, I'm trying to think outside of that first finish with Hernandez and Breeden, I mean, those last four fights were pretty unsatisfying. Price-Elevera wasn't a bad fight at all, just kind of relative to what we were expecting. Holland Daucus was complete chaos. certainly something that will be fun to talk about, I think, for a while and on tonight's show, but not a satisfying ending at all.

And then, of course, the main event under-delivered to put it nicely. Yeah, but you nailed it. So Tiago Santos by decision. I predicted Santos by decision, but if anyone reads my actual prediction on NMAFighting.com, I said, this is going to be exciting. This is going to be a back-and-forth affair on the preview show, I think on the Q&A or on the preview show. I said, I think this will be the fight of the night if there is one. I said this will be the fight of the night over Olivera and Price.

So kudos to me, yes, for predicting that it would go to decision. I did see that, but I thought it would be a lot more entertaining. All right. Let's just get right into this thing. We'll go to the peeps. Once the bonuses come in, we'll let you know what those are. Oh, we almost forgot. M, M, M.

I'm sorry. I see Nick in the comments. I see you trying to start an M. May Chan. I'm sorry. We should have started with that. Scottie, Alexander Hernandez. Wow.

Yeah, that was a. You go in there, you're expected to win. You're the biggest favorite on the car. But that is what the biggest favorite on the card is supposed to do. Just go out there and just violently annihilate. And that's what he did. Mike Breeden is not a very easy guy to violently annihilate like that. But as soon as he sort of smelled blood, he went after it.

And when he knocked the mouthpiece out, that's the levels got turned up even more so. So great performance from Alexander Hernandez. He's back in the wind column. Should we guess the bonuses quickly before? I guess they're going to be coming up at soon. I think we're going to have four performance bonuses. I can't imagine. With respect to one who went to decisions, I can't imagine the fight at night.

If there's a fight at night, I think it's Gordon Selecki. Yes. But even then, they have enough exciting finishes. I would think I'd rather see the people who got finishes get bonused up. I think Hernandez, Casey O'Neill, Jay Malarkey, and probably probably Silva Dan probably Deandrage

I think Casey O'Neill doesn't get one and I think we'll go Hernandez, Melarkey Sylva Diann Raj and Alejandro Perez Perez for the scarf hold. The scarf hold is pretty sweet. That was pretty sweet. Yeah, I'm going with that.

But yeah, definitely definitely Silva Dan Raj's punch that took got down up Perello right off his feet Alexander Hernandez of course big knockout and then yeah the other the other two are not oh Jay Markey great comeback so it really just kind of won this up in the air but yeah there shouldn't be a

I wonder if I wonder if Hernandez doesn't just they just don't give one of Hernandez oh you know who else oh sorry no my other fight of the night performance night will go to a Kyle Dawkins for that amazing first round submission oh that's right I'm sorry it was overturned that's uh I don't know you know if we want to get

to that right away Mike or I mean we might as well. It feels like we should, right? I don't know what there's to say about the main event right now. Yeah, let's just pull up. Let's pull up the question here. Oh, man.

Someone's asking, yeah. I'm sure somebody's asking about it. Sure. Do you remember if you tweeted. Talk about the main event right now. Do you remember if you tweeted anything right after or like did you tweet a take about the. Yeah, I said.

Yeah, we'll just get right into it. Okay. What was your take? What was your first tweet take? 100% the right call. Okay. I know you do not agree with that. But the reason, here's, here's, I've seen many media takes.

Some I have no issue with. Some I completely disagree with. Comparing it to other weird endings to fights. Like, here's the difference though. Darren Murgliata, although he allowed the fight to continue. Okay. And this is what a lot of these media takes are keep, continue to continuously forget. despite allowing the fight to continue because Kevin Holland somehow had some energy to

defend and move and do all that stuff, big damn, called for the replay right there and then. He goes, put it on the board. We're looking at this no matter what happens. So he was confused. He's like, I saw Kevin Holland's eyes roll in the back of his head, but all of a sudden he's moving around and trying to defend and do all this crazy stuff. But he had the wherewithal to say, we're looking at this no matter what.

happens. And that's it. So the fight ends. They go and look at it. That's his decision. It's up to him to make the choice. He chose no contest. I have no problem with it because he called for the replay. Now, he not done that. And then he's just like, you know what? I think they collided heads. It's a no contest. Then I have an issue with it. But he called right away. He knew he was going to have look at it. He was a little caught up in the moment. Went back, looked at it. Saw the collision of heads. the collision of heads is the reason the finish happened in the first place. No contest. No problem with it.

Yeah, I look, I'm not saying, I think they made a, it's hard to say what is the right conversation. I'm not against it. Like I said, I'm not complaining about it. I think it's fine. I think it would have been very, I also tweeted, even though I said I kind of thought Dawkins's win should have stood. I also tweeted like, man, that's a rough break for Kevin Holland because he was clearly not,

he was knocked unconscious by like this freak. He was like, K-Oed. Yeah, I do not know how he came back. His eyes rolled back. His body went limp and fell, like, he fell in a chaos position on the mat. I guess the mat might have woke, you know, sometimes fighters hit the mat and it brings them back and just his instincts. But there was no way he was defending intelligently for the rest of the 35, 45 seconds that the fight went on. So that was just crazy.

So I don't blame them for there being a little bit of chaos. And also, this is kind of unprecedented. Like you were saying, some people were trying to compare it to other instances in the past. And while I did, I do agree with some of those, there's nothing that's like directly analogous to what we saw. It was very, very, very, very confusing. So my argument for though, for its standing is the fact that Merglada did recognize that the need for a replay in the moment, why not just pause it then? I know I know he said I saw, he spoke after. He said, I saw Kevin respond right away.

So I kind of, I guess he called for the replay, but not a pause in the action because he's like, well, let it play out, you know, Kevin Holland seems to be okay. So, but again, so my issue there is, though, is, and again, I know it's difficult, but I think in that moment he has to make that decision to pause right away. I think if you call for a replay, and again, this shouldn't be open to interpretation, so this isn't his fault. This should be in the rules. If you call for the replay, you pause the action just like you would for an eye poke,

groin strike, you know, whatever other infractions we have. That's clearly not made clear to the referees. So he's put in a very tough position. but if he calls to the replay as a commentary they said he did right away he was like yes we're going to look at that pause the action let's look at it regardless of whether Holland recovers or not

because again Kyle Doccas was robbed of a win here he did what he was supposed to do he went through with the fight as it was not paused and he won and now if we can go back I get it it's great we should go back and use his replay as much as we can to make sure we get these right but it's not like

that my issue is he didn't miss the headbut he saw enough of something to want to call for replay It's not like he missed it. It's not like he was like, well, I didn't know what happened exactly. So we have to go back. It provided clarity to the situation, yes, but clearly he thought something was wrong and should have called for pause right there. Again, maybe he thought he wouldn't be able to restart the fight.

It's a snap, snap thing. So I'm not coming down to Rheing Murgliata. I'm not 100 resented agreeing with everyone who says it was like no contest was the right call. But I really feel for Kyle Dachas a little bit and thought if it had stood, I wouldn't have had a problem with that either. Probably more people would be mad. I think more people would be mad if it had stood, if the decision it stood, that it was a submission win. But I wouldn't have been against it. People around the world, they want MMA, and me as well, to be taken as seriously as some of the other sports.

And sometimes these things happen. Like in the NFL, there's, if there's like a, if there's something that needs to be replayed, if they call it a touchdown on the field, but then they replay it and they're like, eh, if it's challenged or whatever, They can, they can overturn it. They can overturn any score within two or any sort of thing within two minutes. If they want to look at, they can. And they can overturn it no matter what the call is. Sometimes when you're at a position, like if a defensive player goes off sides and the offense has like a free play, the defense, their job is just like, well, we're not just going to give them a touchdown.

We're going to try to like defend the touchdown. Make sure it doesn't happen. And you just kind of in the same position you are right now. Yeah. Snap call. It is what it is. But the fact that Big Dan said, replay, we're looking at this. That's why I don't have an issue with it.

I saw one of Aaron Bronseter, great guy, always says pretty good takes. He compared this to Ed Herman, Mike Rodriguez. But I like that take. Why? Was there a replay called? There should have been. But there wasn't. I know, but I know.

There wasn't, yes. That's the difference. But there was, I mean, they did ask for like a formal review. Like they did ask the commission for like a formal review. Like they, you know what I mean? Like they wanted there to, it's not the same thing, but it's like there should have been a replay. There could have been a replay in this situation.

I didn't mind. I didn't mind bro setters take on that one. Yeah, it's just not the same. It's not the same. That's the big difference. Dan called for the replay. That's what came out of it. But there's definitely a lack of consistency.

It feels like there's a lack of, though again, this was kind of unprecedented though. That's why like, again, I don't want to come down a Murgliada or a Herb Dean who was also there kind of advising him and everyone else was there. I've never seen this situation exactly like this happened before. So who knows, they may have just set a precedent tonight. They may have, this may lead to a very quick sudden amendment that they need to make to the rules come like Monday morning. That might happen because I just don't know a specific situation like this that's happened before. So yeah, that was a very interesting part of them.

That was the most interesting thing that happened. It was. It was the most unfortunate thing, but it was the most interesting thing. but it was the most interesting thing that happened on the card. And you know what sucks is, is we really thought this fight would kind of answer a lot of questions for Kevin Holland. We were like, oh, we'll get to see if he's, what happens when he takes a step back from fighting top 15 guys,

what happens when he has a full camp and he's not like doing this quick turnarounds and that's time to work on his wrestling defense. He's got Johnny Hendricks in his corner. And we didn't get in answers to any of that. He stopped one takedown and was really crowing to Daniel Cormey about it. And that's it. We only got to so, I mean, it looked okay his takedown defense, But we didn't get to see a full fight.

We didn't get to see how, you know, how can generate offense with his, with his new skill set. We didn't get to see it. So hopefully they run it back and, you know, we'll just, we'll just replay our preview comments in the future if this one happens again. But yeah, it sucks for both guys. And save for Kyle Dachas, you know, can he beat a higher ranked guy? And it looks like he can, but technically we'll never know because that headbut changed everything. It did. Let's talk about Joseph Boza.

And his question is, is Casey O'Neill a monster at women's flyaway? I was impressed there today. She looked like a badass. Yeah. I mean, for those, if that's the first time you saw Casey O'Neill fight, that's typically how it goes. First round's kind of competitive. She steals momentum towards the stretch of the end of the first round.

And then that pace just picks up and gets stronger and stronger and stronger. And you just don't have any answer for it because you think she's going to slow down. And she just gets better. And Antonia Chavchenko learned that the hard way. And she took a beating. in that second round. And I mean, you saw her face afterwards.

The thing was battered. And Casey O'Neill gets a big win. She passes another test. And I'm super impressed by her, man. And she's about to turn, what, 24?

She's 23 right now. She's about to turn 24, like next week. She's got a super high ceiling right now, man. Yeah, look, I mean, I mean,

talk about someone who needs to work in their take down defense. I mean, not to shift the focus off of Casey O'Neal, but this is kind of how we've seen, Antonia Shofchenko lose some of her recent fights. Case O'Neill, a grappling specialist, as you said, someone with a super high motor. She's like a downhill runner.

We'll bring up a football analogy again. She's got a downhill runner. Once she gets going, it's, boy, it's like an avalanche. It's real tough to stop. And I thought she fought this fight so well. The first round was a little more even, but she's dealing with someone with a lot more, who's older, with a lot more combat

sports experience than she has. There's a lot of traps that Casey O'Neill could have fallen into tonight and lost this fight, Even though on paper, I think she, you know, she was a favorite and, you know, should win this fight. When you're only, like you said, 23, you know, just about to turn 24 and only have, this is her eighth pro fight, a lot can go wrong for you. And she showed really good poise, not getting frustrated, not trying to force anything. But when she had that opening and when she was able to get her game going, not letting her foot off the gas and just going and getting the finish. It was a really great performance.

And again, someone I hope is not rushed to a title shot, but someone who I would love to see fight Valentina Shepchenko someday. But I'm talking two or three, like three fights away, minimum. I'm telling you, man, there's, I know a lot of people are looking at Women's 125 right now and they're like, Valentina is just cruising through everybody, but there's another generation of 25ers that are coming up right now. You got Santos, you got O'Neill, you got Aaron Blanchfield, you got Miranda Maverick, You got some very interesting.

Menon, Menon, Fioro, yep. And she's the senior of the bunch, but still has a lot left in the tank. There's some good challenges. Not now. I don't see anyone. I think Santos might be the closest one to a title shot. Yeah, definitely, definitely. If the timing can line up just right, though, man, what another run of title defenses

Chichengo could have? But like, she's just, like, the timing is just a little bit off. Like, these fighters we just mentioned are, their experience level is not. not quite where they're like, again, two fights away. They all feel like they're like three fights away, four fights away. But we'll see. I bet someone's going to end up getting thrown to the wolves next year if Valentina wants to stay busy.

We'll see. I think one of these people might get thrown in a little bit earlier than expected. See, there is kind of a good thing at 25 right now, too, because we can, if we think someone is kind of separating themselves from the pack, you got tests. You got like, you could throw them in there with you Kigi. You throw them in there with Andrade. And if they pass that test, there you go. Now you can put them into a title fight.

Still not saying it's the best idea in the world to just throw them in there with Schiffchenko. But if you beat you K again, you beat on Drudge, you're in. And you probably deserve that shot. So Joseph, we did discuss that. Again, I think Mike Rodriguez, that was one of the biggest hose jobs ever. Yeah. But the fact of the matter is, referee didn't call for replay.

The referee sucked in that fight. and should have. It is what it is. And I'm excited of the UFC. Now I'm excited. Who knows how much would be different? I'm not saying he'd be the world champion right now, but who knows? He could have had two or three more fights if that had gone his way.

I would agree. That's a life-changing call. David Sandey, was it good for Walker experience-wise? Let me lump this one in a suit. Do you see this one that just popped up? Someone wants to know about John Kavanaugh's corner advice from Eamon Shields. Yeah, I think that's, I think you, have to sort of combine those two, right?

Let's talk about the Antio Walker's experience. Yes, he was training with SBG Ireland this time. Clearly, there was some sort of philosophical change. I think a lot of people watching were disappointed. He wasn't a little more creative. We saw some of the personality. We saw a lot of the personality. He dances way in, kind of the way he feigns, kind of faking, getting hurt, some of that.

So there was glimpses of that Johnny Walker that we kind of have come to know and love. But he did seem a little more reserved. Now, again, I don't want to blame SBG Ireland completely. I don't want to blame John Kavanaugh completely because when you're fighting someone as skilled as Tiago Santos, I mean, a lot of guys kind of get froze. John Jones, I mean, the John Jones, Tiago Santos fight, watch that fight again. It wasn't just a close fight. That was kind of a dull fight too.

Like, John Jones could not figure out how to get offense going against Diago Santos. No, I think John Jones won that fight, but a lot of people, it was a split call. It was a very close fight. It could have gone either way. And John Jones was probably, I'd say it's probably one of his worst title fights that John Jones ever had. So it might just be Tiago Santos. Where I will criticize John Kavanaugh, though, is they were saying he said that Johnny Walker was up going into the fifth round. Did you catch that way?

That was like literally. So I did the live blog for that. Yes. So one of the things is like, all right, you score the round previous, but then like write a sentence heading into the fifth. And my sentence was John Kavanaugh just told Johnny Walker he was winning the fight. I'm not really sure how great that idea is, something to that effect. But like, if he had just said, like, dude, we're tied up. You got to go out there and like exclamation point this thing.

Maybe Johnny comes out differently. Who knows? But Santos landed the biggest shot in the entire fight. And that seemed to that that was it. The pendulum officially swung. That was that was a wrap. Yeah, there's not a lot of controversy in that regard. I think if anyone watches the fight again, most of the best shots were landed by

Santos. Walker's doing some good work using his range with leg kicks. You would love to see him like get that jab going. He never got a jab going for a guy who has great reach at 205, definitely over someone who's sort of a natural middleweight. She should have been able to jab him to death, but we didn't see that. And yeah, I don't know what his team was thinking, telling him he was up. Even if they believed he was up, they have to know that they have to realize they don't know

what the judges are thinking in a fight that that's that close. and you have to go and saying you got to win this one, give it your all in the fifth, whatever, whatever cliches you want to break out, give it 110% in this round, Johnny, but you can't tell him he's up. It's just not good. Literally every person on planet Earth,

even the three judges who are never in agreement, there's always one judge has got to be like too cool for school and score things differently. Everybody scored it the exact same way. First round for Walker, two and three for Santos, four for Walker, even Stephen going into round five. Literally everybody, every single person, except for John Kavanaugh.

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sponsored by Bell conditions apply See air Canada.com Same with the bullet So this is kind of the more interesting part And I think this was kind of threw people off Didn't it look like the refs were making up the rules As they went along after the head clash And it was pretty funny

Where they're all like standing together Even shy of that In his rock 1997 shirt walked into the mix as well But that was the But that's the beauty of Big Dan calling for the replay because no one knows what the hell is going on because it's never happened. Like we haven't seen anything really like that before. We're like you call for it.

All this craziness happens. There's a finish. And now you have to go back and sort of figure it all out. But that was why I thought Big Dan calling for the replay was super smart at the time. It was just like, okay, now we can try to like work this thing out. And it took like 18 people. and then finally was left it like, Dan, ultimately it's up, it's up to you.

And then like even the broadcast, even the broadcasts, like all right, so it seems like this is going to go down as a win for Kyle Dachas. Here, let's go. Let's hear Bruce Buffer announce the winner, Kyle Dacus. And then it turns into no contest. Even the commentators had no idea what the hell is going on. So definitely made it a little more interesting.

But yes, I would say, I don't know if they're making up the rules, but I think they're all like, what do we do? What do we do? I was amazed that they kind of like got right in there during that post, you know, stoppage powwow. And gave us all the audio because both Dan Mergliata's miced up, Herb Dean's miced up. So it was funny, Brandon Fitzgerald kind of pointed out, like Herb Dean was trying to whisper, but he was still miced up.

Then I think either he realized it or they cut off his audio for him, but then it came back. So we heard enough to hear him say, to hear him advising Dan Mergleata saying, you know, you can call for a no contest here. that's up to you. And I'll be honest, again, I don't know whether he was citing the rules or whether he was trying to, as the question suggested, was he kind of making this up on the fly and telling Big Dan maybe the best way to handle the situation? Yeah, I don't know. It was cool to get that glimpse. I don't know how much clarity it provided us.

But it was some good, it was some good inside baseball stuff, though. Yes. Where are we at? worry at. Sometimes of this program, like you have a question in line and like a whole bunch comes in and it just skips it to the bottom. All right. So if I skipped over yours, I apologize. I've never seen a stop in action with replay as that ever happened. Yeah, I don't know. Again, I don't remember the last time like we've seen anything quite like that. Yeah, like a mid-fight pause. That's why it's so, like I was saying, it's so unprecedented. And

I don't know. I should say maybe, maybe Dan was just following replay procedure. I mean, the referee can stop. I mean, the referee can pause and stop a fight at any time. So obviously he could have called for the replay and called for pause in the action if he wanted to. Would that have been the right thing to do? I don't know. Again, that's what I wish it happened.

I'm sure that's what Dan Merglaata wishes it happened now. We can't go back in time, so we can't fix that. But hopefully in the future, there'll be more something they'll go over in that kind of training. Kai Roach. I mean, what about this for an idea? Oh, sure. Just a win and give Holland no contest. Sure, isn't it?

I would just say give, give dockets a check. How about that? Yes. Maybe don't give him a win. Give him his money. We'll see how Dana White and the officials feel about it. But it was, again, kind of a win that happened. It just feels strange not to give him his win bonus for it.

Crute versus Walker would make even more sense. But now Hill versus Crute would be a banger. Totally agree with the no contest call. Really glad they arrived to that conclusion. I do feel better for Kyle. Yeah, I think we all sympathize with Kyle. 100%. Yeah, I think everyone's sympathize with Kyle Daucus.

Kevin Holland's wrestling did look improved. Yeah. I mean, not enough. The initial take down. He showed the hips. He showed some good hips when he's getting kind of dragged around. He got back up and then got head butted or was part of a collision of heads. Marquis beat that man down, bad body.

Yeah, that was a great comeback. Devante Smith is a really talented guy. It's a good win for him. Review is a good thing for the evolution of the sport. I agree. Yes. But they do have to, like I said, they do have to really start pinning these things down. Because even when we've seen replay used correctly in the past,

we've had people asking like, how is this like, is this, was this the same as it was used last time? So I don't know, maybe we just need to see it more, but. DC was thrown up by Kevin talking.

I was awkward. That was awkward. Mike, I don't know. You know me. I've said it before. I'm not a fan of all the in cage chatter. I don't know.

What did you think of his, his in cage performance talking wise tonight? I mean, this is what it is. He didn't get taken down, you know, says, there's no foul on Herman Rodriguez.

I mean, there should have. have been. That's what you're saying. Yeah, there was no official file. Yeah, that's what the, that's what the big difference is. It just wasn't called in the moment, unfortunately. Yeah, no phony. But again, that would have been a good time to look at replay for phony baloneyness. We're still waiting on that. We're still waiting. Oh, wait, we got them. We got them. All right. We got them. Thank you. Perfect timing, Lewis CC. Four performance bonuses. Casey O'Neill got one. Casey O'Neill did get one. She did get one. Interesting. Alexander Hernandez did not get one. Did not.

Oh, you know who would like that? E.K. C. Leyen. Yeah, I mean, he's the biggest favorite in the car. That's why I feel he might not get it. Alejandro Perez did get one. Oh, nice, good. Gotta give you some submission love, please. Douglas Silva-Dandrudge.

Got one. Easy pick, yeah. Jamie Malarkey also got one and you all deserved. You were trying to swerve me there. I was trying to Ryan Seacrest you. Stephanie Agar, you were going to say, Stephanie Agar got one instead of Malarkey. That was kind of a funny stuff.

That was a weird snobpage. Yeah, again, I think Hernandez, like, it's not his fault. His opponent got switched. He should have gotten a bonus, but I'm happy Perez got one. Casey O'Neill was great, so, you know, can't begrudge it. So for me, it would have been Hernandez instead of O'Neill, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to fault them there. If Casey were here, he would say, like, yeah, I mean, Hernandez did what he was

expected to do. Like you said, Mike, the biggest favorite on the card. How can we, you know, how can we give someone extra 50Gs for taking out someone in less than a week's notice who's way lower, you know, making their UFC debut? So it's fine. I would have, I would have given him the bonus, but I think UFC did just fine here with their choices. Am I the only one that thinks Kyle would have won that fight eventually anyway? I mean, listen, I thought it was going to come down to the very end,

and it was going to be like a very close split decision anyway. I picked Holland. I thought Holland was going to, but I pick Holland. I picked Holland and Sprensen and Vittory. So everyone take that with the biggest grain assault. Blake, they've had Casey on the prelims three times in a row, time to get a main card spot on a fight night. Yeah, but it's time to get that division on a main card on a fight night, right? Like, we never see them.

We never see even if it's like top 10 matches between two women in the top 10, they're on the prethums. Always. Yeah, and isn't this what fight nights are for? Aren't fight nights for kind of expanding to a different audience, like not the pay-per-view buying public who might not know who these people are, who might be like, oh, why are fly weights on the, you know, fight nights are so controlled by the UFC and ESPN and ESPN, ESPN, ESPN,

PIN plus. They don't care like what they, I shouldn't say they don't care, but you can play around a little bit more with the fight night card, I think. Who does Santos get next? Perfect time to plug onto the next one. Yes. You'll hear tomorrow. Subscribe on the wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. That program will drop sometime tomorrow morning, uh, AK and I will bounce back and we'll do some matchmaking for Tiago Santos, all the winners of the main card. And we will have our wild card pick if you have not listened to the program. Cacia Nia must be extremely strong compared to a lot of the flyweights

and how she has great control, which makes good fighters. Her pace is just insane. Pace, control, patience. Those are big things for a grappler. Those are what we see in the best grapplers and the George St. Pierre's and the Habib Normagamehormagomadoves and the, I don't know, whoever names you want to throw out there, patience control.

The next thing I think we'll have to see is how well she can take a hit. I haven't seen a lot of her pre-UFC stuff, but she's been doing a pretty good job of trucking her competition in the UFC so far. So there's that getting over adversity. Like I said, I thought she did some of that in the first round, though, but not like she hasn't faced like extreme, extreme adversity in a fight yet. So we'll see how that she overcomes that. But so far, everything's, you know, past every test.

Does Anthony and Schifchenko get cut after this fight? Nah, not yet. I don't think she will. Not in this division. I think this division is about a safe as you can get for a little while because just not a lot of, There's just not. There's some really good up-and-coming talent, but there's not a very deep division.

And if there's more, like, when Aaron Blanchio wins like another fight or two, you fight Antonina Shepchenko. That's like kind of the next step. Oh, I wanted to address someone, someone DM me, Timmy O's show at DM me asking, what was up with the Douglas Silva DiAndroge's sock? Because it was a little, I don't know if you saw that, Mike.

He got the big knockout and he had a sock with him. And Dan Corme kind of tried to out. ask about it, Dan Cormier was like, what is, what is up with the sock? But I think something was lost in translation and they couldn't quite answer properly on air. Of course, you know who's on the beat. Our own Giermei Cruz right away, I DM the man. I say, what's up with the sock? And he didn't know right away, but within like two minutes, he comes back with an answer.

So Douglas Silva, the Andrade has a little girl coming up soon. So another Brazilian fighter on the card, but to add another child to the family. So the sock was for the, was for his incoming daughter. So another reason why he was so emotional, I think, with the win. Yes. My shiny head is beaming into eyes. I apologize. Listen.

No, stop. Don't apologize. Don't apologize. Don't apologize. You've been blessed. You've been blessed by that, all right? No, I have not been blessed by that. But I, I, no, I mean, you've been blessed.

No, I mean, you've been blessed. Yeah. I'm sure they are. Hopefully we're in sunglasses, people. We talked about Kavanaugh's quarter advice. UFC Pavevary in October, which isn't even really a pay-per-view. It's ESPN plus per view. It is in Canada.

It is in Canada. Sucks, dude. So any of my Canadian homeways watching, guess what? Don't get excited over that thing. I was like, oh, two pay-per-views. It's on TSN? This one is not on TSN. This one is not on TSN.

This one actually is the one time we're really getting screwed. This one is a pay-per-view in Canada. So, yes, for my Canadian homies wondering, how do we watch this supposedly, you know, oh, you only need ESPN. We don't have ESPN Plus in Canada, Mike. Oh, man. We are not getting this free on TSN, Canadians. This will cost us.

What's a, what's a pay-per-view cost in the U.S. Mike? Like $69.99. That's like $380. Canadian. So, guys, I hope you weren't planning on some of your kids going to college because if you want to watch this paper, guess what? We actually have to pay for this pay-per-view.

So Canada getting Kyle Docust on October 30th. Big time. Ireland neutered Johnny Walker. Oh, boy. Like I said, I did we can look, we can take cracks at SBG Ireland all day and, you know, their relative lack of success they've had beyond, of creating superstars beyond Connor McGregor. But let's also give Tiago Santos credit, very difficult guy to fight. I don't know if there's anyone who's had kind of like, what's the last time he had like a super,

oh, actually, you know what? The Goldberg's share fight was pretty exciting for, at first. Yeah. I just said, that was a pretty exciting fight. That fight was crazy. But this fight wasn't great. The Alexander Rockers fight wasn't great. The John Jones fight, I still think, again, I know people kind of look back on it fondly because it's like, oh, he beat him.

That fight's bad. I've watched that fight multiple times for various reasons. That's a bad fight. It's a bad fight. The only worrying thing is Casey's stand up could be her problem if someone can stop the TikTok. Of course. She's 23. She's still a little green.

She said extreme couture, so that's striking is only going to get better. But again, she doesn't really need to do anything. And I saw, I was talking to E. Spencer Kite on Twitter because he was like, Casey needs to slow down a little bit. And I'm like, slow down is not in her vocabulary. She does not slow down. She just gets after it. And she just gets after it more and more as the fibergress. I'm telling you, go back and watch some of her older fights.

She is such a savage. And to see her doing this at this level is pretty wild. Yeah, motor can take you a long way in anime. Motor can take you a long way. Carol Hosea beat Bechkehahia. How shocked were you guys? It was 30, 27 times two, but one judge had at 3026. That was a beat down.

I guess the question is like, do we think it should have been like all 3026s across the board or were we shocked that there was that there was a third? Yeah, I'm not really sure. I think the second round easily could have been scored a 10-8. I don't think I did, but I could see the reasoning behind 10-8. It was such a, it was quite ugly. Oh, you can read this one, Mike. I thought you wanted to read that.

Johnny Walker fight looked like a rigged touch-but fight trying to go to the judge for that 50. Never seen a man smile so much of her pitiful performance and loss. Johnny just can't get going, man. Like, he just faints and like, I mean, he just could not get going. I'm still a believer. I, like I said, I think Tiago Santos is really tough to fight. I think he's really tough.

For anyone who's thinking, oh, Walker just going there, throwing spin and stuff and cabaretta kicks and just rushing him, like, that's how you get killed by Teago San Jose. Watch, like, Tehagos Santos is high, like, when he does have a highlight real knockout, it's when people make a mistake. And that's something Johnny Walker didn't want to do. He didn't do enough to, he clearly didn't do enough to win the fight. So that sucks. But, I mean, this is some, this, anyone saying he kind of judging that his level of aggressiveness, that's some backseat, like, fighting right there i don't think we can say that because this card have used aspen versus macy shot the women's band and way championship yeah but i mean still we would have been left with

the no contest anyways and we would have been left with the main event so even if those two went out there and just beat the brakes off each other and it was like a tremendous fight like we're still left with what happened in those last two fights so i still think i don't think it does much might give it a little bit of a boost but yeah i mean yeah i don't know what else is let's let's help there's a quick turn around for Macy and let's just move on from the Aspen Ladd fight. Aspen Lad's got some stuff to work on. I know she said there was, you know, obvious reasons for why this cup was more difficult than it has been the past, but this is her third time, her third notable time really

where we're well aware of how bad the struggle was. And that says, that seems like something that's fixable, not something that's just like, oh, it just keeps happening and, you know, we're just bad luck. No, this seems like something that's fixable or has to be changed. just a bloody not impressed with kacy o'neill guess there's got a there's always one okay there's always are there any uh sorry are there any big storylines we are missing out on here um let's go hey no one's asking quite let's talk about can we talk about bethko hey yeah sure okay she this is her last ufc fight as far as we know possibly her last fight ever i know we're

all the i know everyone in the media and all the fans like well obviously she's going to go do bare knuckle or she's going to do celebrity boxing. Either way, pretty, I don't see a lot of people thinking that this is her last fight. She could fight an MMA again for all we know, just not in the UFC, right? Like, I get it. It is a classic MMA retirement. I do, I do think we'll see her again. But this is the end of, I do think this is the end of her run in the UFC. I don't think she's done. And it's, I think our pal, Mark Romandhi said at best, like, I don't know if there's a fighter who maximize their talent as much as she did, because she's not the most talented 135er.

She's not the most athletic 135, or she's not the strongest one. Not the fastest, okay? She's not any of those things. She's not the best striker at 135. But she caught on a good gimmick with taking out, you know, Ronda Rousey's teammates early on, Shana Bazler and Justin Mnduke,

and then parlaying that into a title fight, one of the biggest title fights in UFC history at the time, as far as pay-per-view buys against Ronda Rousey. Now, a lot of that's the Rousy side, but Betch Kha was a really good. good foil and she stuck around for a long after that because how long ago was that rousey fight that rousey fight was 2016 2015 2015 2015 UFC 190 the longest main card in history 900 god no seven main card fights uh 900 000 pay-per-view buys so again obviously mostly rousy that one of the one of the all-time

great a sides in m-ma but for betts to put herself in that position is pretty amazing so and for her to hang around long after, despite not having the most success. She won two fights after that in the past six years. So God bless her for being, I don't know what one of people want to call her an overachiever, hustler. You know, it's, but in this business, you're just trying to stick around as long as you can, doing what you love and getting paid for it. And she seemed to always have fun. She was super emotional tonight.

And again, it's true. I know we'll see her probably in some other realm of combat sports or for another in-made promotion. but let's I'm going to give a little clap a little clap for what she did what she's done so far and if this is the last we see here for happy trails to uh to betchko haya well we'll probably talk about a little more and onto the next one I'm on you on to the next one segment even after uh even after she missed weight AK and I didn't think she'd get this sendoff from you wait wait mate mate this is true yeah I'll be honest that that was going to be that was you know we you know I cover the the way ins that was my headline for the way ins at first was oh bettco hey I missed

wait for a retirement fight. You know, it's a great headline to get people to read the post. And then all the stuff with Aspen Lad happened and just like almost completely forgot that the Peshko Haya, uh, wait and miss happened at all. So AK takes back everything you said because she missed wait. Selecki disappointed me against the flash. Maybe I thought too highly from, I wouldn't say he was disappointing. Jared Gordon's good.

Yeah. Jared's a gamer, man. He is gritty as hell. And getting out of, not many people get out of those positions with Joe Seleke. When he has your back like that, it's usually a. rap and that might have been the first time in a long time that Joe had to experience that and Joe's still very young and he's getting better. So this is probably a really good thing for him to fight a guy like Jared. I thought this is terrific matchmaking. Both guys needed the test

of one another. Jared gets over it and then Jared uses his mic time perfectly. He calls out Patty Pimbled. Love it. I think that's a great call on his part and I think that's a fight he could probably get but I got to be honest man if I'm patty pimblit I ain't taking that fight I am not fighting Jared Gordon if I'm him but that's just my opinion uh but yeah yeah again we always try to emphasize the positive more than the negative so uh I wouldn't be disappointed in selectie he he he I think pretty clearly won the first round um and I know he beat Jim Miller last time so it's kind of like oh he already beat a really experienced guy uh someone more experienced in Jared Gordon so you know why you know uh was a let down it's like no it's like look once you get this level and you're

fighting veteran guys they're going to be tough fights jared gordon is tough i'm not saying jared gordon's a world beater or like uh again even like a top i don't know if i have in my top 20 but uh as you mentioned mike joe so lucky is still developing this was his fourth ufc fight just his 14th pro bout um and and jared gordon has a bit more experience and that experience matters and that's why this was a a competitive fight uh that uh jared gordon pulled up but i don't think that says anything poorly about just Lucky's skills or his future at all. Yeah, Joe's good fight. They're both CFFC alum, so very interesting matchup.

I hate like throwing this type of question out there, but I think it is worth discussing. Was this the most, I'm not going to say boring. Was this the most lackluster main event of the year, at least to your memory, AK? Disappointing was probably a stronger word. Again, you know, people know my memory is terrible. I can't remember. I can't remember fights that happened yesterday. I can't remember fights that happened four hours ago. But, no, I don't know.

Nothing's really coming to mind, I guess. I'm going to look at the comments. Guys, I'm going to rip off your ideas if you want to throw some comments out there about which fights were more boring. But definitely disappointing. I think people were either hoping for a highlight real knockout either way or, again, even myself. Like I said, I thought it would go to the distance. But thought it would be way more, that way more would happen. I thought there was a good style matchup.

But maybe there was too much respect or maybe, as I said, Tiago Santos is just, just really difficult pauses to solve. And clearly Johnny Walker just doesn't have that arsenal yet, if ever. So I'll go disappointing. The most boring, again, like I said, I'd have to think back to some of the other events that have gone down. But yeah, we were expecting a lot. What about Gahn versus Jarzini Rosenstrike?

That was pretty bad. But I think it was less disappointing. I know a lot of people ahead of that were saying, like, this could be boring. I mean, a lot of people said it could be boring. If it doesn't get finished in the first round, it's like, or even if it does get finished, it'll be like a boring fight up until someone catches someone with a shot and like knocks them out. And unfortunately, that that knockout shot never came. But yeah, I definitely see the gone, gone, Rosa Struke thought there.

Yeah, that was a bad one. I'm trying to think what else. Nothing else is really like. And I don't see. Guys, that's probably the most disappointing. Bad main offense, guys, throw them out there. Let us steal your ideas. Gannon Gasson was good

Brunsett's Hill was good I mean they're all fine That was yeah that might have been Tristan Gordett wants to know Our palat Tristan Gordet Who by the way we'll be talking about more On our on onto the next one tomorrow Our fellow

Dan Malarkey on the cust of being In their guy still here Tristan we're glad to have you Is Jane Malarkey on the cuss of being in the top of Dean How many more fights does he need How has our boy Jane been doing? I mean he's two in one two and one so far in the ufc with wins over comma worthy and of oh two and two and two

uh comelworthy and devonte smith so two fit so he went up against two finishers uh took their best well i mean conworthy he just smoked but ummmy smith took his best came back he's definitely not near the top i think you guys got remember how deep uh it's lightweight right it's 55 yeah yeah the guys lightweight is so deep it's real like i said i said jared gordon's been around way longer than him and has some big wins. Josalecki was 3-0 with a win over Jim Miller before tonight. And neither guy I think I wouldn't have added in my top 30. And that's, again, that's just how many good fighters there still are.

Some people might disagree. Some people might shake up their rankings a little more aggressively than I would. But I wouldn't. So is he on the cusp? No, again, probably, like I said, probably somewhere in the top 30. I don't know, Mike. What do you think? Actually, let me drop my rankings here and give an even more direct answer.

What do you think, Mike? I'd say, 35 36-ish probably with that win I mean just look at the guys of 55 right now I Zaytar he's won three in a row Selecki was there Marco Madsen's there

I don't think he's above like I mean he's probably maybe near Holtsman now Bobby Green Santos Vince Fitzchell like Grant Dawson is not ranked I think Grant Dawson is better than a lot of these guys. Ricky Glenn. I mean, Vince Pichel is not even ranked, and that dude's a monster.

Kutatilatze, Hernandez, Moises, Isma Gulaev, Fzeev. Like, I mean, 55s are donk. It's ridiculous. It's got to be a while. He probably needs like two to three more wins easy. Nasraqqq Paras is the 55 still? Yeah, this isn't going to move on much in mind. I've got Mularky right now.

at like 51. And before people say that sounds crazy, like, I mean, would you put him above, I don't know, Faris Ziam, Claudio Pueyes, Demir Hazzovich, there's just Joel Alvarez, and again,

all the guys you just named. So once you start writing down, yeah, Mike Davis. Once you start writing down all the names, you realize like how crazy. Guys who've been around longer, John McDessie, would you put him above like Clay Guida?

I don't know, props on most people probably would, but I still keep a lot of these guys, kind of these older guys up there. Jim Miller, I still keep up there. So again, it really depends how aggressive you are moving the younger guys up. But even if you're the most aggressive, I think it's Mike, we're around your spot. You said maybe somewhere around 35, right?

Yeah, 35, 36. And that's probably, it's probably good. But let me tell you, he's going to be fun to watch for a long time. Malarkey, Jay Malarkey is appointment viewing. If he never becomes a top 15 guy, who gives a crap? That dude, you match him up with like anybody at 55, oh, man, you're going to get an exciting play. Malarkey's so much fun. Next for Hernandez.

Let's know in the next one, but I feel like he's got the right idea. Oh, yeah. Just run back. It's a run back to the original be booking with Leonardo Santos. I think Walker's gotten worse since going to SPG. People seem to think so. People seem to think so. What else we got?

I don't know. A lot of the same questions. No malarkey. I think we've covered all the bases here. I don't know if you want to talk about the, this feels so long ago now compared to the Hall and Dawkes controversy, the Stephanie Eggers finished. I didn't think it was the worst. worst thing. That Stephanie Eggers stoppage, Shana Young?

No, I don't have an issue with them. No, like I said, I think Mark was a pretty good. Yeah, I think Marks was a pretty good referee. I do think it was definitely early. I will say definitely early, which doesn't mean terrible, but early means early. And I think it was the textbook definition of early. I think, this sounds cruel. I think Shana Young could have taken a few more shots before getting waved off. Did she need to? Maybe not. Maybe we'd all seen enough. I don't know if she was really getting out of that position. But she did look like she was fighting back. So I think that one could have gone on, but clearly not the controversy of the night after what happened in the Colmate event.

Someone's saying I skip their question. Spam it, spam it. Tell me what it is. Yeah. I told you. Don't just sometimes like saying we skip. Saying we skip your question isn't helping you. Just spam it.

Yeah, throw it back up there. We're not going to go back up and look for it. Occupine. Go ahead. I'll keep it out for this. I'm just throwing everything. up there yeah yeah yeah throw it up throw it all up there within within reason all his power is pretty much gone in the championship rounds it's funny because we're talking about chuff car rachmanoff

who's only at two fights deserve to fight a top 15 guy just think that's pretty funny oh that's different he beat he beat olivera who's way higher ranked than like a devante smith way way way way than devonte smith yeah and finished him and destroyed him and this is that that was a walterway right yeah yeah yeah exactly look at who they've beaten guys what the way it's not as deep as 55 is yeah We're not even talking with the same weight class. If I was way deeper than welterweight. Welteroid's very top heavy and it's very interesting up there. Lightweight and bantam weight super duper deep.

Anonymous dude, one, two, three, is like, can I spam my question? Yes, you can spam your question. But his question is UFC 27 and 268, Rose knowledge, he just listed the fights from those cards. I don't see a question. Is there a question in there? Guys, there has to be a question. You can't just say, don't skip this question. Yeah.

Yeah. Stupid John's Diaz like zombie, a fun to watch and fight. Oh, Strickland, yeah. All right, anything else, anything else. All right, I'm going to the bottom for the spammers. Let's get some spammers. Well, Vanessa Flare is asking, oh, where'd that question go?

Did it delete their question? Oh, thank you. Is Yeri versus Rackich the number one? Well, I mean, again, ideally, is just, well, I shouldn't say ideally. I'm sorry, I know that was wrong thing to say. We don't want the fight to fall through. Of course, we want to see Glover DeSherra.

and Jan Blahovitz fight one another. So I think ideally what I mean is Yeri gets paid, win and show money for even taking that and then ends up in a number one-contender fight. No, Yerie should fight the winner. Uri is an award. Whoa, I don't know if I agree with that. What do you mean?

I don't know. I am not on the Yuri For Hachka Big Tuna bandwagon that all the rest of my fighting is on. Why? He's two and a? What is he? Two and O? Yeah, but look who he beats.

Plus like, plus I guess, Plus, I guess he's on 18 fight win streak or something. And by the way. In fairness, I shouldn't discount the work he's done before the O.C. He is on like an 18, 13, 14 fight win streak. And it's like 12 finishes. So, okay, my reaction may have been a little rash. But I have no problem with him making him fight again.

As long as, as long as he gets paid for this win and show for this reserve spot. Because this fight between Beulhovic to share us was to happen when over the summer, right? And then there's a COVID thing. Or is that, oh, no. Nope, I'm wrong. Or maybe what's the book before? I don't remember. But it took a while to book this fight.

And we can't blame Yuri Perashka for that. And yeah, he's next, I think. I mean, if you want to take another fight, he can. But I don't think he needs to. That's just my opinion. We'll see. He'll probably end up taking another fight. People are saying, why don't I like Yuri?

I love Yuri. Yuri's great. I just like to see people do a little more. But again, that's very U.S. Centric, it's true. If you just look at his overall resume, he's more than worthy of fighting for U.S.C. time. Do you think UFC women 45 and 35 would be solved?

They just combined them and made a 140 division. It's just not going to happen, man. No. And honestly, I do think you can make a functional 145. Even though I've been one of the biggest critics of women's 145 for the longest time, I do think it's not as easy as people, excuse me. I do think it's not as easy as people think to just populate a 145 division. because if anyone has seen 145 fights in like companies outside of Beltaur and outside of UFC,

they're pretty rough. There's just the problem is it's in that area where if you're in that size range, 145, 155 and you're a coordinated and athletic person, there's probably other sports that you gravitated towards as opposed to fighting. Again, there's exceptions. Kayla Harrison, obviously Gabby Garcia for cyborg, you know. So there's, there is exceptions. But they're exceptional people for a reason.

And why they're so dominant in their sport is because they chose MMA despite having these physical gifts. Most women with their physical gifts do end up playing other sports. So 145, unfortunately, is right in that range where if you're close to that, you're probably not pursuing MMA. But it is possible. It is possible if people are willing to accept some of the growing pains like we saw. And frankly, like we saw early on with 125. 125, the first, I remember the first couple of years, people did not want to watch women's 125ers at all. It didn't come out hot.

Like 115 came out hot. 135 came out hot. 125, a lot of people were like, what, like, they just didn't care for it. So it takes time to build these things. 145, a lot more difficult to build than 125. But if someone like Aspen Ladd moves up, if Macy Chasin decided she wanted to also fight up there,

though she can certainly comfortably fight at 135, it can be done, but it would require a migration of 135 result. You're forgetting a very important name here, okay? Because October 28th is going to be a very important date. A very important day. Someone will be a free agent. There's a very big free agent. After she's done winning another million dollars.

I think the future of that division depends on October 28. Sure. Kayla Harrison, and by the way, for everyone who didn't know, she made 146 for fighting Invicta. So she has made the featherweight mark before. I assume she could make 145. I'm certain she wouldn't enjoy it, but she probably can. So absolutely, that is 145, I do not think is,

is about to die. So I hope that is a possibility for Aspen Ladd if she can't sort things out at 135. Shout out to Jimmy West for quoting kindergarten cop. It's a great question. I think, Mike, I think we got to. I think we're done. I think we're done. You guys ask great questions.

There's so many. Yeah, so many great questions. But they're not done with us, Mike. They're not done with you and I. No, you got plenty of us. Don't you worry about it. Don't you worry. AK and I will be back tomorrow for all you,

matchmaking fans out there. I see all the matchmaking questions. That's basically we're going to do. That's basically we're going to do. So if you want your matchmaking question answered on on to the next one, you can either DM AK on Twitter or Instagram. You can DM me on Instagram. Those are the best two ways to get it done. My DMs are open, baby. Slide right in. You don't even have to follow me. If you want to follow me, awesome. You don't even have to follow me. My DMs are open to all the freaks and geeks of the MMA world. So please, please. Right there. You see it. You see the where to fall right there, Alexander Cayley. I think that's it.

I'm just going to look real quick. Hold on. I just, I wanted to pull that one up. Let's do it. Let's do it. Pull it up. Where is it? Where is it?

Someone here, Dana White's reaction to the main event. But, yeah. Oh, there's one question. Blake A is asking our, I think this, I assume this is a troll question. Are Olivera and Shavchenko still in the UFC strictly because their siblings are champions? I hope you're not saying that Charles Olivares, Alex Olivera's brother. They are not related. I'm assuming this is a joke.

So Blake A, Bravo. He's joking. Bravo for the trolling gag. I'll throw that up there. Why am I throwing this up there? Because it's a falling down picture with Michael Douglas. I might not be on the preview. I might not be in the Postby Show next weekend.

So who knows? Do you think McKenzie Derns should get a title shot if she beats Rodriguez? I'm going to make this very simple. Absolutely not. Because Carlos Sparza is. next in line. And if she's not next in line, it is a travesty, a travesty of epic proportions. Wait, this is, oh, this is 115. I'm sorry, for someone I was thinking 125. Yeah, no. No, God, no, not over Carlos Barza. So yes, that, that, that, Mike, you, you answer the

question perfect. The fast food burger scene. I'm taking prices. The Diet Coke scene, the soda scene and falling down is tremendous. It's unbelievable. Go back to just YouTube that scene. 50 cents. He's pushing prices back to 1966 or whatever, whatever year it was. Great movie. All right. We're done.

I think we've talked about this enough. Godspeed, everybody. Thank you for watching. It's 1045. You have the rest of the night ahead of you. I'm going to go out. I'm going to go to the club. Ghost is saying, don't go.

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