MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 40 Post-Fight Show | Jim Miller Steals Show, Ladd's Corner Advice Too Much?

Episode Date: October 17, 2021

Norma Dumont picked up the unanimous decision win over Aspen Ladd in the main event of UFC Vegas 40. MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and E. Casey Leydon break down Dumont's tactical victory, Ladd's corner advice being a big story throughout the fight, Jim Miller's incredible performance, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Mixed Marshal. It's. Mixed Marshall. Arts. MMA stands for mixed martial arts. That's right. It sure does. Hope you guys all enjoyed UFC Vegas 40. Multitasking. I, of course, shared the wrong link. Amateur hour. Come on, heck. I know. Gee. We need A-K. There we go.

All right. Nope, that's not a word. All right, we are here. The tweet has been fired. It is not the most fiery tweet. A.K. will be disappointed. But A.K., hopefully, will join us in a matter of moments. It's the UFC Vegas 40 post-fight show. We're going to maybe try to combine these things,

but we made an executive decision. We're just going to talk to UFC Vegas 40. Kind of a filler between that main event and the Bellator 268 main card, which is supposed to kick off in 12. minutes, but you know if you watch enough Bellator broadcasts, that the first fight is not going to start probably to like 10.15

or 1020 Eastern Time, so we're good. I am Ikech. That is E. Casey Leiden. It's me. And you know, we like to have a little bit of momentum, some fun things to talk about. That main event?

I mean, listen, Norman Dumont fought of the fight she needed to to win. It wasn't the most exciting fight. No. but she won, and she won four rounds, in my opinion. She won rounds one through four. Ladd got some momentum at the end of round four, won the fifth,

but this is the Norma Dumont got the win, and that's really all that matters, and she's probably going to get a title shot after this, Casey, even though it was the most impressive performance, she's probably going to get a title shot. You think so? I mean, listen, this is, 135, 145, it's a man in Nunes's world.

They all just kind of live in there right now. So after Amanda cuts to 135, if she beats Giuliana Pena, it's got to be her call. And her call will probably be, yeah, I want to fight again soon, but I don't want to cut to 135 again. So I have the second belt. I might have another maybe one more title defense that I'll ever have in this division. We actually have someone that you can argue could be the number one contender. I'll go fight this Norma Dumont, girl. See what she's got.

that's obviously yeah it's a good possibility it it ain't gonna it's gonna be a tough even for a co-main event I guess it's one of those watch Amanda Nunes

fight again one more time before she you know says happy trails to MMA that's really the only selling point to me if you try to book Amanda Nunes versus Dumont Dumont Dumont

but yes has AK would say that was a fight. It was a fight. It was a fight. Technically. Technically, yeah. Yeah, she did what she had to do.

It was, you know, and listen, I don't like being that guy. I don't like being the, you know, don't judge a book by its cover or judge a book by its cover kind of guy. Because normally when we have cards like this, it's always, you go in there with kind of low expectations. There's usually some fun. finishes, like a whole bunch of them, and we're like, you know what? For a card that looked like this on paper, this was not that bad. This one overall, not great. It just wasn't that great.

It seemed like, what did it start of four? So it was like five and a half hours. It seemed like it was a nine hour card. It just was. We had some great moments. We'll talk about Jim Miller because that was awesome. And we'll talk about some of the other cool things that happened. But all in all, this was Bellator.

Or if Belator officials were watching this card, they're like, oh, man, I think we might be good tonight. Yeah. It was a card that did not look good on paper. And as Dana White would say, don't judge a card until, you know, you see it. And, well, now we're judging it. And it pretty much, I don't even, I'm not even sure I met those expectations. Yeah. You can't hit home runs all the time.

You can't even hit single sometime, you know. you butt foul and strike two. I don't know. So, I mean, the good news is, at least for us trying to predict bonuses, I don't think we're going to have a fight of the night. There are four finishes on the card, so something tells me there's going to be four performance bonuses. Oh, okay. Carnalosey, Batgaree. Miller.

Batgaree is the official Bruno Silva. I don't know. One of these guys are going to be out. Jim Miller's definitely getting one. Okay. Maybe he'll get one. Yeah, I'm going for performance bonuses. Miller, obviously.

Heck, Miller might get two of them. Millie should get four of them. He might just get two. That's insane. Miller get one, obviously. I think Nate Landwar should definitely get one, especially him coming in as a big underdog. I thought he was going to get whipped up tonight.

I wouldn't mind seeing Bruno Silva get one. And, oh, God, Dana has to get one. Good Lord. Oh, boy. Danah has Danah Da Nah Backgri

Baggeri Battery Battery Backgaree Batsgaree Batgaree Batgare Yeah

I'm sorry I'm jumping around the card a little bit right now But he made That fight Look so easy And so uncompetitive

He probably will not get 50K Because he made it look too easy I I know you know Sometimes he's like Oh he didn't even

Break his sweat I'm not even sure He needed to even Stretch That self skill-wise He was just so far ahead of a very durable, very tough Brandon Davis.

Brandon Davis, I don't think he's a, you know, a top 15 guy at all, but you always get a tough fight from him. And that was just, that was ridiculous how Dena made that look. I don't know. You saw, you watch the fight. It was just not, it was even competitive. It looked like it just, I don't even know. Yeah, that fight probably could have been stopped. I mean, it looks like it looked like he knocked Brandon out cold.

for a minute. But Brandon just had his wits about him and DeNah just... Because he's so dang tough. I think it's his first time he's lost and I know he's lost some decisions over his career but like he's never been just demolished like that

in like two minutes. Yeah, two minutes. Yeah, he's never been stopped in the first round like that. And that was... That was uncompetitive. It wasn't like he got caught in a flurry or something and he just...

Yeah, it's going to be interesting how they do the bonuses. 1-305. Yeah. Carnalosi was a comeback win and Stella Nunes grabbed the fence three times. And then Bruno Silva got kicked in the ding ding three times. Yeah. And great comeback.

Great comeback too. That was a comeback too. Although I thought Sanchez won the first and second round. Two judges disagreed with me and they gave Bruno Silva the first round. I don't know what fight they were watching. I'm not too, I'm not, I know I saw people going kind of crazy on that. I think even you kind of were like, what the heck? But I didn't mind that.

I thought Sanchez's ground control was just ground control. And if damage is the truest criteria, how they judge fights, even Bruno Silva's, you know, 10-punch combo to the body, what might have been enough. I still gave it to Sanchez, but I understand, I understand why Silva got that round. But it's all mute. It doesn't really matter because Sanchez got knocked out by Bruno Silva.

Yeah, I did. And I didn't really complain about that. The one fight that I did complain about in terms of the judging was The Danny Roberts fight. And I don't have, I don't have an issue with Danny Roberts went in the fight. It was close. I scored it for Ameeve. Me too.

But when they said 3027, I was like, okay, I mean, definitely won the fight. I scored a 3027 for a meve. I thought he had all three rounds. Granted, the last, I think it was, I thought the last round I thought was the closest. But I still gave all three rounds to Meve. So I was shocked. Yeah. I don't think like, because I don't think Roberts, even though, even though Bisbing was like,

oh my god Roberts is landing 500 punches in a row I didn't think he landed a whole bunch of them I think he landed like a small percentage of them so I definitely gave Roberts two I thought Ami did enough to win the third and I thought Ami did one the first I thought that was clear I thought that was the clearest round of the fight but yeah the first was ridiculous I think even they showed the stats it was yeah it was it was it was like 20 strikes to five or something for meve I'm looking at MMA decisions right now And while no one scored it at 3027 like I did, about, it looks about 10 journalists had a Meeve winning and two of them had Roberts winning. So not... Who are the journalists that had Roberts winning? Two weirdos from Sharedog.com. Okay. Was Keith chilling one of them?

No, Joe, I'm sorry, Jay Petri and Tyler Trees. I know Jay, I don't know Tyler. And everyone else in the mixed marks. Arts journalist world all had am eve winning 2928 okay all right so uh we'll wait on bonuses i mean we might just have to go to the peeps there i mean honestly yeah let's just yeah let's just let's just yeah i mean we can talk about jim miller for the next 20 minutes because that was ridiculous that was insane that was a great fight first of all like the first round was great between both those guys and i thought i i said i wasos wobbled them

Had him hurt. I thought he was going to stop him. I thought Gonzalez won the first round. I thought Gonzalez was one the first round too. I did too. But the momentum clearly was with Jim Miller because he was landing that left hand over and over again. And then he wobbled Gonzalez at the end of the first. And you're just like if you're, and then to do that, you got to feel fair. Eric Gonzalez finally gets the UFC, fulfills his promise to get there three months before his 30th birthday.

He's got all his family and friends out there. Like he got the biggest pop of the night and then gets bolted by Jim Miller, which, I mean, That's, it's Jim Freaking Miller. Jim Freaking Miller. I think that was his first TKO stoppage since UFC 200. Was that what against Takarigami? Yeah. I mean, that was a straight knockout.

That was insane. Yeah, I want to give Jim Miller a lot of credit, but man, that was my Mr. Gonzalez, is that his name? Yeah, Eric Gonzalez. Oh, man. I felt like Michael Bisbing a bit. You could tell Michael Bisbing, he wants to support the fighters. And during the whole main event, he was like, he kept apologizing. I'm not trying to disrespect Aspen Ladd, but what the heck is she doing?

You know? And I'm going to kind of say this about Eric Gonzalez. I know he's a very talented fighter. But that weird crescent kick he threw both hands down and he falls right into range. It was just like, it was, I know there. It's desperate. It was a desperation movie. He was still heard, I think.

Yeah, he must have been. He had to be concussed coming out because that made zero sense. It was one of the probably the worst strategic kicks we've seen. I think people compared it to the Wyden's spinning kick that kind of turned the fight around when he fought Luke Rockhold. It was something weird. I remember Wydenman did. Or that spinning elbow that chailed through against Anderson Silva. Just these, why did you do that?

That just made zero sense. But credit to Jim Miller for knocking out Eric Gonzalez in a. amazing, amazing punch. And Jim Miller, future UFC Hall of Famer, who never really sniffed a title shot. So, man, just doing it, man. Good on Jim Miller. And hopefully he gets a new nickname because A10.

I was sorry, I got really caught up in the A10 nickname. That's a horrible nickname. A10. What is that? I mean, yeah, I'm sure it means something cool to him, but come on, no, man. I think of, like, the Atlantic 10, like, collegiate basketball conference. or collegiate sports conference,

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because this is probably the biggest storyline heading out of that main event. How Jim West and Jim West, listen, there's a relationship between... Jim West being Asman Ladd's... An Asman Ladd. Yeah, Jim Asman Ladd's head coach. Also, they're together.

Yeah, they are a couple. Their partners, yeah. They are partners in life in this crazy thing called life. But as, I mean, I'm sitting there I was the live blogger for the main event. So my fingers weren't moving as fast as they normally weren't in the main event. But there's a lot of talk about Jim West and how his corner advice was.

Because at first it was like, okay, you got to do more. You got to do more. Like pick it up a little bit. Then the second round, it was like, all right, what do you? You got to pick it up a little bit. After the third, I was like, what are you doing out there? Like, what are you doing out there? Like, try to win the fight.

Do something. And then the fourth, it got a little more. uncomfortable fifth round got a little more uncomfortable like and our colleague ari al huani just answered somebody's question it was asked about if the corner was too harsh and he said and i kind of there's there's a fine line between tough love and being too harsh and being too harsh at first it felt like the former obviously he knows what she responds to best but then it felt uncomfortable to watch too much we didn't hear any technique being discussed or game plan not ideal so let me ask you case you've been around the sport a long time you've heard many of corner

say things to their fighters between rounds. What did you make of Jim West's pump-up conversations, things that he said? I mean, only they know their relationship and what she responds to more than any of us do. But you're watching and listening to it. How did you feel about it? I felt Jim West, I felt there was something else going on in Aspen Ladd's life right now. I don't know. Maybe it was just me.

I was looking too much into it. I felt for the first time I was going to see a fighter literally break down emotionally in a corner. I look like Aspen Ladd, she knew she's, she's a fighter. She knows what's going on. She knew she wasn't like giving it all for some reason. And I felt like Jim West was like, okay, if I go any harder on her, like, just like, you got a freaking fight. You got to talk.

Okay, real quick. He caught her. You got you got to finish it. He goes, you got to finish this broad. I love the fact that he caught Dermont abroad. I just thought that was hilarious. But I think he just knew that there was something going on in Ladd's head and yelling at her and just being super like, you know, I don't know,

who's that coach? Krauss kind of goes just balls the wall crazy sometimes on his fighters. That just doesn't work with Ladd. And he knows best. I mean, it was odd, but I, but, I'm not going to blame the coach. I have to blame Asman Lad. I mean, for lack of a better word, she shit the bed tonight.

That's all. I mean, shit the bed. It was disappointing. I was so high on Asman Lad coming into this, but of course, she has been out for two years. We don't need, total knee construction surgery, just the horrible weight cutting of two weeks ago. Maybe that did carry over here. Maybe, you know, she can, we only see her on that scale of smiling for 15 seconds, and we're judging everything by those 15 seconds. She knows the cameras are going to be there.

We don't know what's going on in Lad's personal life, how good or bad training camp was. If even that horrible weight cut she had two weeks ago carried over to tonight's fight where she just couldn't perform. There's so many things we don't know. And unless Asman Lad truly opens up in an interview and is 100% honest on what. what's going on in her head. We were just really speculating here. But the Asman lad we saw tonight, that's not the Asman lad that got her to the dance. That was another woman.

And I don't know what happened in the last two years. But if that's who she is now, that's not good news for her career. That's a professional fighter. Yeah. And you remember the Yana Kunizkaya fight? Because she was probably down two rounds in that fight. and Jim West let her have it before that third round and Ladd went out there and beat her down and talked her.

And that was the same Jim West. So, I mean, I think we were kind of expecting that. And he didn't give us that. And there had to be a reason for that. And, you know, I don't know. I think there's a lot of I don't know's and I don't want to speculate too much. We're just speculating, really based on very little.

Because Aspenla is a pretty private person. know she's she tells us she walks her dogs a lot and she likes hiking outside of that i really don't know very much about her yeah i am trying i'm going to try to get her for a chat this week we'll see what happens uh had she won i probably were to talk to her on monday but i still want to have that conversation with her win or lose just to get her take on everything it was just yeah i mean listen we don't know we don't know but that you want to give her crap i mean do you do you i get what you're saying Yeah, do you agree that there was something, it was something beyond just this, who had the better skill set tonight in the case?

There was something else there that we just don't know. And Germant, Drummond. Yeah, yeah, she has been through a lot. And even, we even talked about very much, there were like massive fires out in the woods in Northern California or Central California where Aspen Ladd lives in trains. So she, I remember just a month ago, she had to evacuate her home. And there's just a lot of things going on. And, but that's fighting.

You know, that's the difference between, you know, the GSP's and whoever else. You know, those fighters, no matter what is going on in their life, they somehow show up on that Saturday night. Tonight, Lad didn't show up for who knows what reason. And credit for, and credit to Dermont. Dumont, she did. And she did enough to win the fight. Smart game plan. She got it done.

She went out there and won. And that's all that matters. So I do a bell tour on. Nothing is happening. No surprise. They're still talking. They're still previewing the main event. It's what we're doing.

It's TV. It's TV. Yeah. It's probably going to be another 15 minutes before we get rolling here. So, all right, let's go to the peeps. Their thoughts on this star-studded UFC Vegas 40 event. Oh, sorry. Oh, come.

Oh, come. Oh, wow. I had the wrong one up there. Sorry. There we go. It's okay. All right. Here we go.

Thoughts on Manon Fioro. What's your hype level? Listen, I thought she needed a fight like tonight. Like her going out there and bolting Myra Bueno Silva would have been great, would have boosted her stock, would have been huge. But her going out there and having a three-round fight, that's only good for her, right? Like for her development, for her growth.

And to go three rounds and win that fight pretty easily, like Silva's a tough opponent, definitely the toughest opponent she's facing her career. I don't think it blew the doors off for you, Casey, just based on what I saw on Twitter. But I thought it was a fine performance. I thought she went out there and she won the fight and it was a pretty convincing win. Yes, I agree. It was a fine performance by Manana and Faro, and she was the better fighter tonight. And that's kind of about it.

I kind of got, I mean, it's in a positive way, but Holly Home vibes. She kind of kept throwing that one, two, three, sidekick, one, two, two, three sidekick for the first two rounds, at least. And then when she did take it to the, did she, was it, Buenos Aires Silva that kind of initiated the clinch? And then, Faroe eventually, yeah. And then, so when, oh, Englewood. Okay.

Englewood. All right, well, I'll keep going. But basically, basically, this was a great fight for her in the long game. She needs three rounds against good competition. She fought controlled, never kind of, never fought, never did something that was out of her skill set. And it was a solid win. Now that I come out going, oh, this is the woman that's going to challenge Valentina in two more fights. I don't think that.

I didn't see that at all. I saw a top 10, 125er. potentially and that's about it um i mean i still i still see like the aaron blanchevilles the miranda mavericks the um lexer grotto's still right up there too but there's nothing that i saw tonight where i can think oh man and that's she is the person that's going to take down valentina i do think eventually they will match her up properly and she will eventually fight for a title with probably within that's got four or five fights but um right now um she just looks like a good content tender. Yeah, I think she's right up there with the other, like the next generation of 25ers

that need some, need some molding, need some work. The Casey O'Neills, the, the, the patient who's mentioned, Aaron Blanchfield's going to fight Macy Barber. We'll see how she does at that. It's a little bit of a, that's a nice little step up for her. Yeah, and Miranda Maverick, who's coming up to Macy Barber. And yeah, I mean, 25 is really not that interesting at the top, like at the top of the title conversation right now, right? But in the next year and a half, two years, it's going to get real interesting. Yeah. Once these women develop a little bit more. So, man, it's going to have to move a little quicker. She's a little bit, she's older than, I think she's in her 30s. Yeah, she's 31. And the other,

other ladies we mentioned are kind of in their mid the young 20s. So, yeah, I threw it out there. I think, depending on how her camp feels, I would love to see Manon versus someone like, if she wants a big jump in competition, someone like Cynthia Cavalio. Someone just took a big loss. Yeah, that's a big jump. Or I still want to see Manon face a serious grappler.

I mean, I don't want to do this to her because I feel bad, but like Manon versus someone like Roxy, you know. Yeah. I don't want to like waste a problem. think you're wasting on prospect of 25, but her and Miranda Maverick would be interesting right now. Yeah. Because Miranda's not incredible wrestling and pretty good striking, so, but I don't know if you

want to match those two up so quickly. Yeah, I don't want to, I want to see that for selfish reasons, but I think for lining up future contenders, that probably isn't the best idea, which most likely means it will be the next fight. We'll take some more questions. I mean, Belters what to kick off, but so what? I mean, a lot of criticism for the main event. So I'm going to throw some some criticism out there.

I get it. Trust me. Highest level, I made the top promotion of the game. We get 25 minutes of Aspin Ladd doing nothing against some lady I barely heard of. Listen, it was not a great main event. Yeah. The only way it would have been worth it. The only way it would have like made waves at all is if Aspen did what a lot of people thought she was going to do. Go out there, take her down and beat her up.

And that just didn't happen tonight. And there's 25 minutes, we saw about 30 seconds of that. And the end of round four. We're like, okay, this is the Aspen Ladd we've heard about. And we remember. And yeah, oh, that fifth round, I forgot that fifth round. It was so infuriating when Lad had that clench. And she just wasn't just not being active enough.

She threw one elbow, busted Dumont's face up. And that was kind of it. And the whole time she wasn't attacking the legs, wasn't kneeing the legs, wasn't doing anything. I was just like, it was. It was up there as one of the most, more and the more infuriating main events I've seen in a long while. Still waiting on bonuses.

Don't have those yet. We're going to go at least until we get the bonuses. Ladd's coach infuriated me. It's okay to urge your fighter, but he didn't give her a single technical advice. Even when lying against the fence in round five, he kept raising his hand in disdain. Again, I mean, we broke this down probably as best as we go.

Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. we got bonuses we got bonuses let's see we got here let's see we got all performance bonuses Miller

Landwar Lanwire Silva and Dana yep Ariana and Carnal loci no bonus no bonus

that's why car placement matters fighters always say I don't care of the first fight the last fight nope if you are higher on the card and you get an equal kind of knockout

or submission they always go to the higher-ranked fight the higher place fighter. So, yeah, someone has to lose out. Cool, cool. All right, back to questions. Henry Corral is getting tossed around right now. Oh, no.

Where do you guys think Aspen goes from here at 135? Amanda survives Juliana Pena for a six-tail defense. I think the Tate fight is still there, especially since Tate is kind of, I mean, she wasn't going off on Asman. She's going off on Jim West on Twitter, but the coaching advice saying was Borla. abuse.

I was my next question, but to pull up, yeah. So what did Tate say? Borderline abuse? Abuse like Jim West is being mean to? I don't understand. I thought we were arguing that Jim West should have been harsher on lad. Okay, so, so Misha Tate's first tweet was, this is abuse. What a douche was the actual first tweet.

And then she got a bunch of follow-ups. One fan said, I understand what you're saying, but he did the same thing last. fight and she knocked her opponent out, so I don't know, but I kind of agree is way too aggressive. Amisha's response was, she would have done that without him. It's who she is. He will take credit for her win, but never for her loss. Trust me, she can only take so much of this abuse before it breaks her spirit. Let's see.

Then another person said it worked last fight. Her response was, you're joking me, right? Maybe the only reason she's even starting slow is because of him. She is a fighter, and there's only one thing holding her back. and then somebody else chimed in he said he almost made her cry in between rounds and Misha said glad I'm not the only one to see it so there you go

Yeah I mean Misha has her opinions I kind of I kind of saw the other way around I thought West was pulling back because I think my impression was that if West went harder he would actually made her cry coming out for round five

And that's why I just I'm kind of surprised Misha is going this route. Wasn't last week Misha just calling out LAD for like cheating on the scale or something? I was, I don't know. Misha doesn't like Aspen Latt. There's something going on there. Yeah, she said something on our series show that she was like, let me make things clear.

I don't hate Aspen Latt. She's responding to something and whatever. And then like her and Jim West went out on Twitter, which I'm sure they'll probably do again later. So what else we got? What else we got? Throwing your questions, kids. Dude, there is, I mean, listen, I know this UFC show. I'm watching the Spelotor card like up on the screen here.

There's a lot of people there. It's a good crowd in Phoenix tonight. Nice. Good for them. Like almost, I mean, at least in the first level, I think like every seat's full, at least from what I see. So good for them. Good car.

Ooh. Ooh. Oh, boy. Yeah, you know what? This is actually interesting. I wasn't going to put this up, but I think there is some truth to this in a sense that Misha does have the experience of being in a relationship

with her coach for many years. So this, I'm not, I don't know anything about Jim West and Asman Ladd's relationship, but Brian Carraway and Misha Tate, that is kind of publicly known that, no, they did have a kind of a bad breakup. and Brian Carraway was her coach for years. So maybe Misha, maybe she sees something that we don't see because she has actually gone through this.

So the question is, is Misha seeing herself in Aspen? Ex-boyfriend Brian Carraway was doing the same thing for her. Yeah, I mean, could be. That could be what she's seeing it from. She's putting herself in her shoes. Let's talk about Jim Miller. Jim Miller should be Hall of Fame for his battle with Lyme disease alone. Well, he knocked that out.

And then he knocked out Eric Gonzalez tonight. I mean, if Jim, like, here's the thing. I picked Eric Gonzalez to win. I just thought, like, if he can get out of this first round, he'll win. But little that I know. And by the way, if Jim Miller's ever a two to one or more favorite in a fight ever again, I will never pick against him. That's it.

I'm done. And, yeah, he should, I would like to see him get in the Hall of Fame while he's still a fighter. I think, I mean, he's got to, he's going to keep going until UFC 300. He's going to try, which is, I think Brandon Fitzgerald said it would be like 20, 25 that's going to happen. So that's four more years. That'll put him in his going. That'll put him. So I think Miller's 38 right now, so it would be 42.

You know, with proper matchmaking for Jim Miller, that is a possibility. I hope Jim, I hope Jim Miller doesn't, I hope the UFC rather match makes him properly. That's, I don't, yeah, that's about it. are you doing on to the next for this card? We are. Of course. Oh, yeah, yeah. Of course. So Jim Miller's next fight is going to be kind of interesting.

Oh, yes. Yeah. We've got to look deep into that one. Because this is a weird booking in the first place, him versus Eric Gonzalez. That was just odd. But, you know, hey, those odd, the matchmakers knew something. They get paid for something because that fight made no sense to me, and yet somehow we got probably the best knockout in the card.

Yeah, it was probably the best, It was probably the best fight on the card too. Yeah. Oh. I said that I picked that after Miller beat Roosevelt Roberts. Just do that freaking fight again. I'm fine. I'm totally fine with that fight.

Is Cowboy even, is he training him right now? Is he in conversations? You know, yeah, I know he's not retired, but I just, he's just been kind of ready to aside. I'm sure he's doing other outside business ventures. He's doing movies or something. Movies and stuff. Yeah.

Yeah, I can see that. That's fine. That is a fine fight. All right. If you want to do Jim Miller versus Tony Ferguson, I'm fine with that too. Yeah. Do that. Yeah.

That's a fine fine. There you go. I don't think LAT can make 135 safely unless she makes some serious changes. What does she need to do to successfully stay at 145? Like, I don't think she has to do much. I don't think she has to do much. Honestly, like her frame, her size, she was just as big as Norma. Like she was, she's got the 45 frame.

Even Norma said after the fight, like, I know she took the fight on short notice, but she even recommended that Aswood stay at 45. You're a 45er. Like, stay there. Don't hurt yourself. I mean, just put on some muscle, I guess, but not much. I mean, I feel like she's got a frame where she could fight at 45. It's just, you just got to pull the trigger.

Yeah. Loose in there. We kind of talked about this earlier, but I, I think as far as Ladd's success at 35 or 45, I think right now it is something that's going on outside of the cage, honestly. In their personal life, Jim West, I don't know. I'm completely circulating. But Aspen Lad's head does not, Haspin Lad's mental hair head was not in the fight tonight.

That's the only thing I will say. That was not the best Aspen Ladd. That was not the best Aspen Lad that walked out. to the cage tonight. Yeah. Listen, two-year layoff, horrible injury before a big fight with Julianna Pena,

or Sarah McMahon, excuse me. And then makes the weight, gets ready to fight Macy Chia San. Chiasan gets hurt, fights off, they rebook it, she misses weight,

fights off again, she's backed two weeks later, up a weight class in a main event. She's been through a lot. And that's the thing. It's tough. Like, this is sport. This is sports. And people have opinions. When you do something great, your praise. When you do something bad, you get crapped on. It's just sports. But we also have to remember at times that these are human beings that go through human being things. And I feel like Aspen has gone through a lot. And I think maybe making that walk, it was just like, wow, I can't believe this is happening. Maybe just all those emotions. just, it was like a volcano erupting all at once. And sometimes that happens.

And that's probably what happened to her tonight. Who knows, I mean, who knows what else is going on? But, I mean, just dealing with what she's been through like the past four months. I mean, it had to have been a lot. So. All right. Take a few more questions. Is this true?

Isn't this strange no poster or promo video for Costa versus Fittori? Was there no poster? I thought I saw like, I don't know if I saw like a UFC like North American poster. I think there's like a Brazilian poster made that I saw on like one of the UFC sites. I think Marcel Dorf might have posted it. So if you want to go through his Twitter, it might be there. Yeah, yo. You know, yeah, yeah.

We're talking about it throughout the card. That's kind of true. I mean, I'm looking at topology. They always have the fight poster. And it's just kind of generic, you know, the generic, you know, the generic, you know, fight announcement type. of graphic. So, yeah, that is. That fights next week.

Yeah, maybe they try to make a pro-bo, and then those two guys just got so out of control that they're just like, nope, nope, get to it. Nope, we're not posting that. Yeah. Yeah, so to answer your question, yeah, yes, it is strange. Yeah, I haven't, yeah, no promo footage, no poster.

And I don't know, maybe the UFC is going like, Yeah, we don't, people, people watch it regardless, whatever. I don't know. I don't know. All right, we got anything else? Yeah. It's been a weird day. Yeah.

Hey, good job, Red Sox. Good job. What was the final score? I said they were going to win by eight runs. It was nine to five. Nine to five? Yeah, okay. Nine to five.

But two grand slams early. It was just, it was over. Was a grand slam? There in that. It was two grand salams? Two. They hit two. Oh my goodness.

Yeah, J.D. hit one, and then Devers hit one in the first, hit one in the second, and then Kike hit another home run in the third of the four. They scored all their runs on home runs. Yep. Wow. Three home runs and they scored all nine runs on home runs. All right, pretty cool. Wow.

That's just enough. They don't lose, they never lose two in a row in the playoffs. It's insane. They never lose two in around the playoffs. Yeah. Anything else we want to talk about in the card? Yeah. Shoot, Bruno Silva

Um, Oh my God, Lupy looks so tiny in there against Carolina. And she almost won that fight. She almost kind of won that fight, but man, she's, she's a small, she's a small straw weight and,

yeah, the size was just too, too much. It was too much, yeah. Yeah, I saw a lot of people score that for loopie. I just don't know how you can. No, no, not. No, no.

I don't know how you can. I thought for sure we were going to get a split decision, but the judge, all three judges got it right. I thought Carolina won. It was just too big. Looby worked her ass off in that first round to get that takedown and get the control

and try to get that submission. And it's too bad because it's just one of those situations where it's like if the round, the first round was like five minutes and 15 seconds. Oh, yeah, I forgot. Yeah. I forgot about that. But hey, that's how it goes.

That's fight. That's how we fight. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if she does that again. I mean, who knows? Who knows, man? Like, everyone, I saw people on Twitter saying, and this is, and there's no harm in this.

This is like an average thing you would say, or normal thing you would say. Loopy's been active. Now she'll take the rest of the year off. She'll come back fresh at 115 in 2022. I will almost guarantee you, unless she broke a bone tonight and had a serious injury,

which it didn't look like she did, she will fight again this year. Yeah. Guarantee it. She might fight again by November. That's how this girl is wired. I'm sure if it's up to her, she will fight as soon as possible. A lot of fighters want to fight way more than they actually get to fight, by the way.

It's really the UFC's call. But I think it was Angela Hill that put a, I think it was a, a very positive tweet about Loopy and what a gangster she is trying to go out there and do something very, very, very, well, she already broke the record for just two fights in a seven days. band but um she all she came yeah you're right i i completely forgot she came within seconds of actually getting that victory and you know if she don't get that victory it would an extra 50k man but that's that's the sport so okay so so this is what this is what our ufc career has looked like so far okay fights takes makes her short notice debut on less than two weeks notice against

jesska pennay i thought she won that fight loses a controversial split decision it was very close. It couldn't easily go on the loopie. Correct. Then, a month later, on less than a week's notice, she agreed to fight Sarah Alpar, not at 125, at 135, at 135, at 135, she's going to go up and fight Sarah Alpar.

The fight was signed, sealed, and delivered. She had visa issues, so she couldn't fight. So they pulled the fight, Alpar and ended up fighting. She ended up coming back a few months later, fought at 125, lost, and now she's out of the UFC. She is a gangster. Lupi is a gangster.

She's going to go up two-way classes and fight Sarah Alpar a month after her UFC debut. It's just insane. She's just, she's, I've been following her for a while. And she, that's how she is. She's just like, oh, I want to fight. And then some will call her,

but we have a card in 10 days. She's like, all right, I'll fight. She took the LFA title fight on like less than two weeks notice and won. She's something else. She's something else. Yeah, she's a great personality, great. fighter um uh yeah i i mean i think jessica penny had kind of the storyline going to that fight and i think you know people

kind of like you know were kind of like you know it was it was she the one that threw jessica penny that power bomb oh the power bomb somebody you win like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that should have been a draw at least um yeah um no lubei cannot fight at 125 at a high level um But 115, I can't wait to see her again. And yeah, I don't know if she fights next, but I'm looking forward to seeing her fight. Real quick, before we wrap this up, let's talk about Andre Arloffsky. Co-main event. Hey, I thought that fight was going to suck.

And you know what? It didn't suck that much. It was kind of the classic heavyweight fight I love. Two gassed out, sweaty dudes just throwing looping hooks in round three. Oh, dude. That's the Chedmishue special, right? Oh, and the, oh, and I, because ESPN freaking the app sucks, and I can't rewind it like five seconds without going back 10 minutes on my,

on my player, that's just whatever, that's a whole other issue. But like, when it was like the five second mark and the, or 10 second mark and the, you know, the guy, he just said a little clapper, both guys about five seconds, instead of fighting, they both raise your hands and start walking around. Five seconds left. I was like, God bless heavy weights. I love these guys.

Andre freaking Arlowski So A lot of people thought Carlo Felipe won too I can't really I mean I didn't really I don't really care

Andre Alofsky Andre Olavski has won four out of five The one losses to Tom Aspinall But he's won four out of five Back to back To back co-main events

Dude's tearing it up Overeign Part 2 MMA decision is actually has a split between Arloski and Felipe winning the fight pretty much. But Alaski won, someone had to win. And, man, I think I saw a tweet from Erhawani when the UFC had resigned.

Or actually, in 2011, that was when Arlowski got knocked out bad by Heratonov in Strike Force. And I just remember everyone saying, Andre's done, Andre's done, Andre's done. And I think at that point, he had changed camps. He went to Jackson MMA. And I remember I talked to Greg Jackson a long time about Andre. And everyone was like, oh, he just knows chin.

And Greg was like, it's not his chin. It's like it's in here. He thinks he doesn't have a chin. And they had to rebuild him, make him a different fighter. And Andre Loski is a different fighter now than what he was when you think of like UFC 20 or whatever he was then before. And he just fights like a veteran. and he knows what he is. He doesn't try to overextend himself,

and he is just fantastic fight night co-main event material for these outside these top 15 heavyweights. And he's a good prize fighter. He knows how to work it. And I'm sure he's the highest paid fighter on this card by far. Emma Miller. Emma Miller, yeah. They get the promotional call.

Compliance. Miller probably has more promotional. Well, both those guys probably make the max in that sense. And Jim gets an extra 50K as well. So I think Jim probably walks out the most money. Oh, yeah. Maybe with the 50K, yeah. But overall, yeah. But just on just your show win, Andre, yeah.

Oh, I love Bisbing. Busbing asked Andre. Like, oh, so why do you do this? What motivates you? How are you still doing this of all these years? And Bisby's expecting some, you know, Andre are going to go, I'm a fighter.

I do it for the fans. Andre just says, I have a wife and two kids. And that was it. And anyone with a wife and kids just nod to their head like, yep. I hear you, dude. I'm with you. Bismid goes, okay.

Andre Olavski, everybody. Good night, everybody. Good night. I have wife, two kids. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's it. Yeah. He gets it. He got it.

He gets it. All right. All right. I think we have given this card all we can give it for being honest. But for those watching live right now, head on over to... The crowders win? Did he? The fight just ended.

I don't know if... Oh, are people messing with me? It's like my favorite fighter. It looks like a fun fight. I didn't watch much of it, but let me... I don't know if they... Yeah, people say Crudas. No, no decision has been made yet, from what I can tell.

But he might have won. Maybe it's the popular pick. But yeah, for those lists of the podcast right now, you're probably like, what the hell you're talking about? It's already over. But for those watching live right now, enjoy the rest of the Bellator card. We will see you tomorrow.

AK and I will continue to talk about this card. We'll talk about where the notable names go from here. What's next for Norman Dumont? What's next for Andre Olavski? What's next for Jim Freak and Miller? We'll find out tomorrow on onto the next one. For Casey, for the silhouettes of AK. I am Mike Hack.

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