MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 47 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Sean Strickland Win, Shavkat Rakhmonov Stealing the Show

Episode Date: February 6, 2022

Sean Strickland only trails Israel Adesanya with the longest active winning streak in the UFC’s middleweight division following his main event win over Jack Hermansson at UFC Vegas 47. MMA Fighting�...��s Mike Heck, Jose Youngs and Alexander K. Lee react to Strickland’s victory, where he goes from here, Shavkat Rakhmonov’s incredible KO win over Carlston Harris, Julian Erosa’s memorable night, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:36 And we're here to discuss the first February event of 2022 for the first February event of 2020 for the Ultimate Fighting Championship with all of you. Welcome to the UFC Vegas 47 live post-fight show here on the MMA fighting YouTube channel. I am Mike Keck. We got the whole crew here. We got A.K. Lee with the people's eyebrow. We got Jose Young's with the headphones on. AK, we will begin with you, my man.
Starting point is 00:00:58 We just saw Sean Strickland defeat Jack Hermanson in the main event. I scored at 50 to 45. Two of the judges scored at 4946 for Strickland. and one judge decided, you know what, I'm going to get all sorts of crazy and score 4847 for Jack Hermanson, which is just going to go down as one of the egregious scorecards of the year. But be that as a may, AK, your thoughts on the fight,
Starting point is 00:01:24 Strickland's performance. Is this a fight that we're going to be thinking, you know what, let's shoot Strickland up the ranks a little bit. Let's have him jump the line and get closer to a title shot. I think a lot of people were looking at this as a one-fight card for the most part. There might have been one or two other fights that people were interested in, but generally he was like, oh, this is a good fight between two top 10 guys.
Starting point is 00:01:44 It's the right test for Sean Strickland next. Hermanson is a veteran who's fought a lot of good guys. So, I mean, the match making a lot of sense. And I think as we talked about it, going to the show, we're like, you know, people should at least check out the main event. I think there was a we thought there's a chance that could turn out like this, but I don't know if we knew it would be such a kind of listless,
Starting point is 00:02:02 um, monotonous performance. Which is not to say a bad performance with Sean Strickland. He won. I think he won pretty comfortably. Again, that score card for Hermanson is not great. So something needs to be done about that. But yeah, he won. I would give him four out of the five rounds.
Starting point is 00:02:20 So it's unfortunate that it just kind of sent the night out on a down note because I do think that he should, you know, that whoever, I'm trying to think, will he get like the loser of the cannoneer, Brunson fight, something like that? It would make sense. But again, I don't know how the UFC feels. about the performance. So I think he will move up slightly. I do think he still gets a big fight.
Starting point is 00:02:44 Not all his fights are like this. I know he's not like a one hit or quitter, but usually there's a little more volume. I think he was very respectful of Jack Hermanson, as he should be. Jack Hermanson is a great fighter, and he did what he needs to do to get the win. It wasn't super exciting,
Starting point is 00:02:58 but it was the winning strategy tonight. So you can't criticize that too much. Yeah, Jose, what did you think of Strickland's performance? So oftentimes you hear fighters get on the mic, They do the post-fight interviews, and we know fighters are very self-critical. They are their own worst critics. And I feel like Strickland, in a way, just based on how he fights and how Eric Nixick talks about him, I feel like he meant everything that he said, that this wasn't just being so self-critical. This is him just kind of being hard on himself.
Starting point is 00:03:27 He thought he was going to perform better. He won. I thought the fight was not really all that close. This is a Strickland win. But for a guy that is calling for title fights, I don't think. this is the performance he was looking for. Do you agree with that? Yeah, it's definitely not the performance that will, most importantly, get the champion or Dana White's attention, but you never know with the UFC, because we all kind of said
Starting point is 00:03:51 the same thing when Marvon v. Tori beat Kevin Holland, we're like, well, you know, that wasn't really the most, like he won, it wasn't that exciting, and then the next thing, you know, they need a middleway contender, and Marventory was there. Sean Strickland, seems like the type of guy that is pretty much always ready and always down to fight whoever. So more importantly than anything else, he stays in the win column and, you know, didn't take any amount of damage whatsoever against Jack Cramanta. So comes out healthy, is on a winning streak. I think that slots him in for any, like if any of these upcoming middleweights aren't ready or get hurt or so on and so forth. He can slot right in there.
Starting point is 00:04:24 He's in Vegas. If they have a big Vegas card that they need filled, he's right there to fill that too. So I don't think it's going to toss him into the title. Title shot right away. but outside the loser of Canaanair Brunson, because obviously if Brunson wins, I don't know if he's going to fight Israel to Sanya next. I mean, he should,
Starting point is 00:04:46 but he might just not want a third straight rematch. So, I don't know, Darren Till is still out there. Paulo Costa is still out there. Mara Vittori is still out there, because of Mara Vittory, Sean Strickland fight, is going to, like, the buildup for that is just going to, I'm not going to understand a word either one those two individuals would even say.
Starting point is 00:05:06 And then the fight is just going to be two guys with a crazy gas tank, just punching for 25 minutes. So I'm all in on that fight, doing your jobs for you for on to the next one. Shout out to that podcast. But yeah, not the fight and the victory he needs to throw him in title fight right away. But you never know. The UFC does strange things. Listen, and Hermanson is a tough dude.
Starting point is 00:05:28 He's a tricky fighter. You don't want to make any mistakes with a guy like that. Because if he landed one of those takedowns or he caught you sleeping at all, he could put you out. Ask Kelvin Gasselm, ask other opponents that he has faced. You can't make a mistake. You got a fight near perfect to beat Jackermanson. And I'm not, I'm not trying to get down on Strickland's performance, but you got on the mic, you called for a title shot. Kind of not the performance that you're looking for. But still, middleweight's fun, A.K., is it not? I mean, Jose just ran off a bunch of names. Strickland versus Paula Costa, the build to that would be super fun. Strickland versus Vittori, the build to that would be super fun. Andre Munez, you could go back to you. to the Luke Rockhold thing. There's lots of options for him. Middleweight's kind of fun right now. There's some stories going on.
Starting point is 00:06:11 The two big fights coming up next week. Middleweight's pretty interesting now. It's been a little more interesting now than it was maybe a year or two ago. Yeah. No, it's enjoyable. I mean, look, Israel, they were talking today about him starting to sort of lap the division because obviously he's fighting Whitaker again. But that's a special case.
Starting point is 00:06:31 That's not because he's run out of challengers. I mean, yes, he already remit. matches Vittori as well. But again, it's more just a matter of timing. It's a fight that probably could have happened before. So that has to be resolved, I think, before Adasania moves on. But when he does, like you said, there are fresh names. Again, if Canaan, I don't say hopefully, but if Canineer beats Brunson, there you go.
Starting point is 00:06:53 There's a fresh fight for Adisna. Otherwise, you get another rematch. So I know how it looks. But yeah, look, you said Strickland, Muniz. There's guys coming up. Was today's card necessarily the best showing for all the middleweights? I don't know. I mean, Chidi and Jokwani, super exciting.
Starting point is 00:07:11 Nick Maximov, work in progress. And then, of course, we have the card coming out, like we said, with the higher ranked middleweights to fight. So I do agree. I think the division is in a healthy state. I don't know if I'd go as far as to say exciting, but it's healthy. It's healthy. He has, Israel Adesania has people to fight. He has up-and-coming names.
Starting point is 00:07:30 There's no reason for him to, you know, maybe make a lot of. take another shot at 205. Who knows what happens with the Phrashka to share a fight. Maybe he takes another stab at it. But as it is, yeah, it's a good place for him to be, again, just excitement-wise, this main event maybe might not have looked great for the division and might not have done a lot for either Strickland or Hermanson. All right.
Starting point is 00:07:51 I had to find it. It is officially up on the website. The scorecard for this main event. Sal Di Amato was the one who scored at 48-47. he gave rounds 1, 3, and 5 to Jack Hermanson and 2 and 4 to Sean Strickland. Derek Cleary gave Strickland every round but round 3, which isn't bad because I thought the third round
Starting point is 00:08:15 was probably the closest round of the fight. And Junichiro Camijo gave Hermanson one and Strickland's 2, 3, 4, and 5. Yeah. So there you go. There's score cards. Sal DiMato ruined it for everybody. I gave her manse in the first round. And then I had Strickland, just white and the floor with them. There we go through four. Well, De Amato didn't have the worst scorecard. I know we're probably going to go down the card. But the 3027 Doug Crosby for Nick Max, for Maximov was not great. Was not great. That was probably the worst card of the night. Yes. I'm not surprised by that card at all.
Starting point is 00:09:00 we'll get to that in a minute. Jose, Jackramansen, this is a guy who his goal for 2022 was to fight for the belt. I got to get that title shot. You got to think, and anything can happen in the M.MA, and you say it best, things aren't official until old fighters get into the cage and all that stuff. But you got to feel like the road to a title shot for Jack Hermanson is a very long one now, is it not? Yeah, I would say it's definitely the long as it's been since, like, since like I would say like before his jacqueray fight because after that it just felt like it was
Starting point is 00:09:35 inevitable that he would get a towel shot but like I said in the preview show and on between the links like he gets to these the end that like that finish line he's right there and he just can't get past it like he did against cannoneer or he did against uh Sean Strickland or all these other fighters that he just can't get he or Martin Vittoria like these are the these are guys that are fighting for like fighting for titles and stuff like that and he just can't get past it But it's 2022, and Glover to share and Charles Oliver are UFC champion. So who are we to say his road to the title fight is long and arduous? Because that didn't seem to stop those guys.
Starting point is 00:10:14 And Charles Oliver looks like a world beater, and Glover has to fight your Pulaska. So God bless him. But 2021 seems like the theme of that year was fighting through hardships to reach their angle. so I'm sure Jack Cormanson is going to stick right around on the top seven and middleweight. Not just probably a few years away from a title fight if he keeps playing. It's definitely long and arduous, but it was long and arduous for those other gentlemen that you mentioned as well. And they got there and they won the pony and here we are. So let's play the game since they have not been released yet as we're live here, aka bonuses.
Starting point is 00:10:54 What's your bonus prediction for this card? It seems pretty easy, right? If we're only going two performance bonuses, it should be Shavkat and Chidi and Jukwani. They have enough. If they decide, I mean, the fight of the night would be Erosa and Peterson, and they should do a fight of the night for that and give all $100,000 to Erosa because Peterson missed weight so badly. So I'd feel really bad if Erosa got screwed out of a bonus there.
Starting point is 00:11:18 But there were enough finishes that they could go for performance. But I'm having faith. They'll go Shavkot, they go Chidi and Jikwani, and they'll go $100,000. for Erosa for the fight of the night. I think that makes sense. You agree, Jose. Yeah, it's a no-brainer. Erosa Peterson had the announcer saying, like,
Starting point is 00:11:38 oh, put this right up there with Gagetia Chikaze and Calvin Kater. So Julian Rosa should get that 100K and then the other two, that AK said are just obvious, no-brainers. Also, like, when you say like the middle-way, like, was it a big standoff in the middle-weight division? Chidi-Angi-Kawani looked great, and Nick Maximoff is a work-of-reprogress. Chitty Anjikwani is a veteran of Nick Maximoff is very young in the game.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Like there's, I think it was silly. I said it was silly that that fight was the co-main event to begin with. Like I still very much clear Nick's Maximoff, a prospect. And Chitty Anjaquani should have been in the UFC or fighting like top 25 guys. Shouldn't have had to go through the contender series. That's poor, poor Mark Andre Barrio having to welcome Chitty Inge Kowani to the UFC. Yeah, that was wild. Nick Maximoff, to remind everybody, he's 24.
Starting point is 00:12:28 Like, he's just getting started. He's 2-0 in the UFC and just beat Punezoriano in his second UFC fight. That's pretty impressive. That's a guy that you can work on. You saw, if you watch his first UFC fight compared to the second UFC fight, his striking got a lot better, just in that small window of time. But crazy fight. We'll find out what the bonuses are for a second.
Starting point is 00:12:52 but AK, what did you think of the co-main event? And it's, as we talked about on the pre-fight Q&A, it's officially a co-main event because if they show the walkouts, they show the walkouts on a fight night, it's a co-main event. They showed both walkouts on ESPN Plus here in the United States. So that means it's a co-main event. They treated it as such.
Starting point is 00:13:14 They gave it the co-main event treatment. So what did you think of Maximov's performance? Did the judges get it right? Or was there a little bit of a hoax job for Mr. Oriano here. Just for the record, the co-made event designation just means essentially nothing in the situation. But yes, I mean, it was technically the co-made event. It's fine. I can't, I can't dispute it. But it's just meaningless.
Starting point is 00:13:32 No, they got walkouts aired. A lot of people got walkouts aired. A lot of people got walkouts on Zah. I feel sorry for you guys. Up in Canada, we got some sweet, sweet walkouts. This is how they're right now. We got, we got, we got, we got, I don't think that all them. We got battle. Oh, we got battle and go. You guys got battling gore. We got battle and gore. Yeah, yeah. We got battling gore. That's what I'm saying. So that doesn't get, because they got workout doesn't mean they didn't get Schafton.
Starting point is 00:13:56 I don't know. That's disappointing. Did you? I might have missed it, but that's disappointing. Just shopcott, though. We didn't get Harris. We got Schofcott. I don't think they played Sam Alvey, right?
Starting point is 00:14:04 Because I would have done my usual, I hate, hey, soul sister tweet, or unless I just blocked it out. Anyway, we didn't know. No. Yeah, no, look, like we said, I can poo pooh over it being called a co-main event all I want. It's not Nick Maximo's fault and it's not Punisariano's fault that they're, that they were putting that position and expected to, I don't know, again, be a co-main event quality fight. Again, it was a competitive, you know, scrap. It was a little bit difficult to score because there was so much grappling with,
Starting point is 00:14:34 from the Maximo's side with little damage. And Soriano's bursts of damage were a few and far between. So it wasn't the most fun fight to watch. I'm sure it was not a fun fight to judge. I know I'm crapping on Doug Crosby, who probably could have done a much better job. But in general, again, scoring a fight like that is just like, how do you decide? because Nick Maximov did almost no damage draw the fight, and Suriano did a little bit of damage.
Starting point is 00:14:58 So, you know, if we did more draws, maybe be that way, but then Maximov controlled so much the action. I think if you're just watching, you're kind of like, well, he, you know, he dictated where it went. He might not have hurt him. It's a very difficult fight to score. If you're going strictly on damage, Soriano did more. But, I mean, man, how can you spend that much time on your back doing nothing
Starting point is 00:15:13 and win a fight? So I don't know. I don't blame, I don't think it's a robbery at all. I think Maximum won the fight. I think that's fine. So, yeah, good for him. Stayed undefeated. Like you said, a young guy, 24 years old can only improve, but I hope they take him a long slow.
Starting point is 00:15:27 I hope they don't kind of like try and get push him just so much because he's a Diaz guy. He's undefeated. He has a great skill. He is a good wrestler. Like he has a, maybe close to A plus level skill. But he's got to round out his game a lot before we move up this 185 pound division. But yeah, there's no reason they should rush him. I can see him getting more wins this year and not facing a top 20 guy until like until 20, 23.
Starting point is 00:15:51 you think Jose I mean he won it's the most important thing most important thing and anytime the UFC can show one of the Diaz brothers on screen they're gonna do it relentlessly and that's pretty much what they did I I know some people I saw some people on my Twitter saying that like all the only reason Nick's Max Moff is in the UFC is because he has the the the Diaz rub like when I believe he made his debut when who was it when Nick fought right was that on yeah it was on He fought Cody Brundage. That's right. And then one of his, one of their other teammates on the undercard, which if you want to tell me he didn't belong in the UFC, then I would probably be like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:16:31 probably. But I don't think they were saying that he's not good enough, just that he's super young. Maybe he, maybe he should have gotten a handful for more victories before science UFC. But the dude be Punisoriano. Puttun Soriano, what a year ago,
Starting point is 00:16:45 people were saying was going to be one of the future contenders of the division, kind of one of the bright prospects at 185. pound so not the most exciting but he won he clearly has the right team behind him so i don't know i don't know who you should fight next someone outside the top 50 maybe we'll see i mean punna puna is a good win man that's a really good win and that wrestling pressure is going to be tough for a lot of guys at 180 8 180s maybe someone like uh lesio de chiroko you know someone that yeah has a decent He has a good highlight reel. Like they can show him knocking out.
Starting point is 00:17:22 What's his crap? What's his name? Buckley and Buckley. Walking Buckley, yeah. And then, or, you know, he has a good. And it's a very winnable fight for Maxxwell. So, but that's if they don't want to blitz him up the division. We're still waiting on the bonuses.
Starting point is 00:17:41 But an interesting, interesting little note. Sean Strickland was just on the post-fight show on. ESPN Plus and said that tonight was the last fight on this contract. Oh. So that we have free agents on Sean Strickland going down. Dude.
Starting point is 00:18:00 They'll probably get a new deal today. They'll probably resign him today. And by the way, we had a pre-fight question that was like, you know, oh, is the UFC, if he has an impressive performance and like he does a, you know, main events on ESPN next time again, are they going to kind of like, are they going to be wary of his, you know, his outspoken personality.
Starting point is 00:18:18 And like the video package was all about like, I'm a villain, like, I'm the bad guy, and I say this stuff. And I'm like, I don't think ESPN or UFC are too concerned about his, his quote unquote, bad guy persona. So yeah, as long as he reins it in. And again, hopefully, like I said, someone talks to him about some of his slightly more aberrant comments.
Starting point is 00:18:37 I don't think ESPN's too worried again. He can headline fight nights as much as they want him to. Yeah, I mean, just think about his post-finding. fight interview tonight after the after the fight was critical of his performance and then like the best thing he said that that stood out was like the last things that he said he said uh thank the fans without them they basically signed his paycheck without you guys i would probably be a piece of shit somewhere now a piece of shit with money let's go i mean that's funny that that's what the uc wants to hear that that's that's what the ufc wants to hear right as long as they hear they're like okay good yeah
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Starting point is 00:20:20 Rest of the main card. I mean, we got to talk about Shafcott-Rachmanoff, AK, because I think you needed to see, I think people needed to see a little bit more. I was sold on him already. Some people just needed to see one more, and they thought Carlson Harris was the right opponent to see if we could get him over that hump. You're a believer, A.K., 100%. You are on the Shopcott train.
Starting point is 00:20:41 No doubt about it. I mean, I was telling people not to overlook Carlson Harris. but also only to make it the point that like, man, if he beats Carlston Harris, that's legit. This is not a pylon they lined up for him just to go. He can go three and O in the UFC. This is a legitimate competition. A guy who himself was coming off two finishes and looking to go three and
Starting point is 00:20:57 O in the UFC. So either way, I feel like the UFC would have been happy with whoever won. But, I mean, Shavcott, he just, he just blew out of the water. What is the spectacular finish? It's a beautifully time spin kick. It was like, it was like a counter. Like it was while Harris was lunging in, just caught him perfectly. And then it led to a finish.
Starting point is 00:21:14 That's three finishes. against really good competition for this guy, undefeated from Kazakhstan. He looks great. He is currently leading our poll. I do a poll, guys. Who was the star of U.S.C. Vegas 47? I put Strickland,
Starting point is 00:21:27 Rachmanov, Erosa, and Enjikwani. Rachmanov way ahead, 48% of the vote. So he made an impression today. Absolutely. Jose, with a guy like Shafkat, let's put him like, let's have a comparison
Starting point is 00:21:44 in between, I don't know, a top 30 guy and Hamzat Shamaev, where in between those two guys would you put him after that performance? Because there's always the argument, you don't want to rush him too fast, then there's certain prospects you see like a Shemaiah if you're like, let's just throw him in with a top five guy. Let's throw him right in there for a title fight because we feel like he's ready. How far do you think the UFC could put, like could the UFC throw him a top 10 guy right now without any issue?
Starting point is 00:22:13 Maybe top 15. I'd be really interested in seeing him fight. He hasn't really broken a sweat inside there. The problem with Shafkrat is he beat Cowboy Oliver in his what? Was that his debut? Or it was either his first fight or his second fight in the U.S. Yeah, so he got a big name right out of the gate, which Hamzat Shamaev did not do. Hamzat Shamaa got on everyone's radar because he fought like twice in the span of 10 days
Starting point is 00:22:35 and then beat Gerald Mirshar and then he took a long break and then beat the Leech. Does anyone that Hamzat Shemaya beat a bigger name than Cowboy Olivera in the eyes of the fans? in terms of like name recognition? I don't know. Like of all the names in the UFC that Shavkat and Hamzat Shamaev have fought combined, I think Cowboy Oliver is the best name, talent-wise, and the most recognizable. So if we're going to give him the Hamzat Shamaev treatment, so be it. I don't, like, if we're going to throw him in the top 15, the problem is I don't think
Starting point is 00:23:07 anyone in the top 15 is going to want to fight him because he doesn't have that aura like Hamzot. I would like to see him fight someone maybe outside the top 25 that is still like in that name recognition like a Jake Matthews or Nico Price or Michelle Pareda or a Zaleski like one of those guys where fans clearly know who they are. They're not top 15 fighters but they are still supremely talented and at one point we're probably top 15 fighters and always put on a high level fight and a win over them would be again a bigger win than anyone that Hamza has fought next. So I like to see him fight someone in that, in one of those names that I threw out there, but the dude's a monster. Wish you knew a little bit more English, so you could speak like Hamzat does.
Starting point is 00:23:50 But in terms of his fighting ability, he is, he's going to be a problem for a long time. Yeah. I was missing our boy Syatt doing the translation because whoever was in there doing it, that was very awkward. A.K., I know we'll think about it a little bit more, but I feel like,
Starting point is 00:24:11 I feel like maybe an Alex Marono type would be a good opponent next year for Shafcott, Rachmanoff. Yeah, I like that. I saw, I believe someone said in his scrum, he called out DeMaldador, Michelle Pajara. Yeah, that'd be interesting. I don't hate it. And ranking it, like, I would put them around a similar spot in my own rankings, for sure. The other option is a, is a court McGee. I know Corte has a lot more UFC experience.
Starting point is 00:24:34 But that is kind of how they treat court, though. Court is kind of like a, they do kind of use him as like a litmus test. He's on his own win streak, which is nice for Cort McGee for once. So maybe they wanted to be a little more favorable and not put him in front of the Shopcott train. But again, like I said, that's how they've used him in the past. So there's a ton of options for Shafcott. I think going top of Dean might be a little bit too early. And again, there's just names there who don't, I mean, they're just not going to want to fight them.
Starting point is 00:24:57 They're going to angle for other fights with guys higher than them. So if you're Shafcott and you want to fight as soon as possible, you take a McGee, you take a Marano. You take a Michelle Pahada would be great, but I also think Pahada will probably hunt for a bigger name. How about the winner of Matt Brown and Brian Barbarana? I'd love to fight Matt Brown. Maybe if Matt Brown wins. I don't know. I don't think Brian Barbarian is.
Starting point is 00:25:25 But, yeah, coming off a win, you know. They're both recognizable names. They're both always in exciting fights. I think Brian Barbaranda's ground game is a little underrated. He's like real slick up there in the MMA lab. So just a guy that is durable that can at least test, you know, which that just sounds like Cobor Oliver. So it's like, what am I even talking about? Tim Means would be a fun would be a fun one too.
Starting point is 00:25:50 Yeah, someone like that's not going to challenge for a title anytime soon, but is super durable and exciting. And a big. Yeah. And you test these guys. Yeah. Yeah, like when Do Ho Choice. Do we have a, every other than you need one of those fights? Casey, do we have any kind of like news brief sound bites anywhere?
Starting point is 00:26:06 Because we got bonuses. Wait, wait, wait. Do I have one? We got bonuses. Maybe like the, uh, the, the, the way-ins recap music. We're running off the way and you want like a news of the world thing. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. No, that was more of, uh, that was more of the rude sandstorm.
Starting point is 00:26:27 I apologize. I was going to, sorry. I meant, I meant, that sounds like a telegram is coming in 19. Yeah, yeah, no, that's, yeah, that's what we want. No, that's what we want. We want the telegram. We want the Fax coming in.
Starting point is 00:26:40 Let me go grab the piece of paper. Yeah. Ops reach. We might have something. Hold on. Have you ever used a fax machine? A long time ago. Gosh, not in years.
Starting point is 00:26:54 I would hope not in years. Oh, look, sometimes paperwork needs to be done. Or maybe we get some drum roll or something. All right. Performance of the night. Chidi and Jokwani and Shafkat Rockmanoff. Now the big question is, what is the UFC going to do with the fight of the night? They did the right thing.
Starting point is 00:27:22 Breaking news, the winner of the fight of the night, Julian, Juicy J. Arosa gets both bonuses, $100,000 on top of the win bonus, the show money, and the penalty money he received from, Stephen Ocho Peterson for missing weight. What a night for Julian Arosa. Congratulations, Juicy Jay. The Juicy Jay story continues on and continues to be one of the more undervalued and underrated stories in all of M.A. So good job, UFC.
Starting point is 00:27:52 You got this one right. I feel a little bad for Stephen Peterson. Listen, listen, people who know me know, I have no sympathy for people who miss weight. I am no E. Casey Leiden, okay? If someone misses weight, I find it quite infuriating. I mean, extreme weight cutting is obviously stupid, but it is, look, if one guy has to do it, both guys have to do it. So it sucks that he missed weight by three pounds. And again, he gets penalized at 30%.
Starting point is 00:28:18 But think about this. He's going home now. 30% of one checks. I'm trying to look back. I don't know how reliable this is. The last reported payout. Okay, so this was because this was in, he fought in Arizona. And apparently the payouts, I believe they were released.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Yeah. And he missed weight there too. And he missed weight there too. So Stephen Peterson made $23,000 to show and lost 20% of that, lost 9,000. So let's say he made $30,000 this time. So he lost like $10,000 and missed out on $150,000 a bonus. So he made his own bed and he should sleep in it. I get it, I get it.
Starting point is 00:28:56 But just when you think how vicious that fight was and how entertaining it was, and it just guys, these guys need to be paid more. They need to be paid more. It's messed up. It's disappointing because Steve, Steve Ocho Peterson kept talking about how he got his weight issues down and he was like looking forward like I'm pretty sure he Instagramed or tweeted like looking forward to an easy cuts 145 and he missed by more than the last time he missed and then and then he said like 147 148 in Arizona
Starting point is 00:29:25 and he came up 149 in Vegas so that obviously is supremely exciting guy I don't think he's ever going to be top 15 but just off the top of my head like he had that spinning something them KO win in Mexico and then B. Chase Super and then one of the better fights you'll you'll see on a fight night. So exciting fighter, exciting finish or killer be killed type of guy, but he's not that big.
Starting point is 00:29:51 So he can't sign. I don't think he'd be that. I don't think he'd be like, oh, a little 155, be more durable. Like, no. He's so small for 155. It's messed up because they were saying on the broadcast, one of them was, I think it was Bissping or, oh, I remember Felder, that was saying, they spoke to Peterson and he said,
Starting point is 00:30:06 man, you know, I don't know what went wrong with the weight cut. Obviously, I feel bad about it. And that maybe it's time for me to get some help with, you know, I can't do this on my own. Maybe go to the PI. He's almost 30 fights into his pro career. He's been fighting for 11 years, I think. And this isn't just him. This is the whole business, but I'm just using him as an example.
Starting point is 00:30:25 How crazy is the guy can have almost 30 pro fights and been fighting for 11 years. And only now, only now is like, oh, man, you know, maybe I need to help figuring out this weight cut thing. You know, and I get it's worked up. It's mostly worked out for him up until this point, but that's crazy. Like, that's where MMA is compared to other pro sports. You know what I mean? It's like that that kind of conversation can be had with someone who's been around for so long. So whatever happens, again, I think at the very least he did save himself from being released.
Starting point is 00:30:53 I think I know he won't get the fight of the night money, but, you know, at least he did win the fight of the night. The UFC will remember that. The matchmakers will remember that. He will get another chance to compete. Because if he hadn't, if he had just lost in a stinker or gotten. finished really quickly, that probably would have been it for Stephen Peterson. So at the very least, he saved his job and it has a chance to go 15 minutes with another featherweight killer next time and get even more, a punch of the face even more.
Starting point is 00:31:16 So yeah, way to go. Save your money on tattoos and get a nutritionist's estate because you spent a lot of money on some pretty outrageous tattoos that aren't even that well done, Steve Peterson. I apologize, but if you like them, that's all that matters. that's what I tell everyone, but they're not that well. The application is lacking. So now Stephen Peterson's going to have to fight like Sean Woodson next, and we'll see what happens there because that ain't going to be fun for anybody. And if you watch Between the Links, you would have got tremendous insight from our friend New York, Rick,
Starting point is 00:31:52 who sang the praises of one Juliana Rosa and sort of predicted this is the kind of performance you were going to see out of one Juicy Jay tonight. And he came through. there's a hard sell and New Yorker just wants to say I'll hail juicy Jay for a fantastic performance. Other notable victories. I'd like to see him fight the winner.
Starting point is 00:32:14 Who's Nate Landware fighting? Lorone Murphy? Yes. I think that's the fight because Stephen Peterson wanted to fight Nate so bad and now that Julian beat him just kind of slot him into where Steve Peterson wanted to be. Also, Julian Roosevelt's either of those guys.
Starting point is 00:32:31 sounds like a fun time in general. Wait, no, Nate and I saw someone on Twitter what am I talking about? Maybe if you won't have to fight. If someone mentioned Julian Oroza versus Billy Q and that is fantastic. That's super fun.
Starting point is 00:32:48 Had it never been booked? Had that never been, that sounded so familiar. I saw someone mention that. Like, I thought that had at least been booked. It never has never booked. No. Huh.
Starting point is 00:32:56 Yeah, definitely. Yeah, too much on to the next one. Who's Bruce Leroy fighting? Sadiq Youssef, that's Vonpie too. Jeecheechee, moving up that ladder. By the way, can I say, can I say? JyCJ versus Giga Chikaze would be interesting coming off of that loss to Calvin Cater. I don't love the nickname Juicy J.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Can I say that? It's not it's not raw dog levels, but it's like, listen, you know, where I come from, my people have a saying, and that's, you don't trust a man named Juicy. Maybe it loses something in the translation, but I, JuCJ is an Academy Award-winning hip-off artist. He has an Academy Award as a member of 3-6 Mafia for Hustle and Flow. That's right. Shout out to my friends in Memphis.
Starting point is 00:33:46 Academy Award-winning Juicy J. Is he named after? So is Arosa named after Juicy J? You should all be named after members of 3-6 Mafia. What are the other ones named? The Project Pad. There you go. That's okay.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Yeah, that's not too bad. Don't call me. I'm just saying, I don't know anyone personally named Juicy. Yeah, DJ Paul, Gaines de Boo. Those are the two, some of mine. They'll lead two other ones I remember. Sure. So is it not?
Starting point is 00:34:15 I remember correctly. Is it not the year of GCJ, okay? It's not the year of JCJ. It's not the year of the raw dog. But again, the year is very young. And God help me if one of these guys goes on a three, wins three or four fights this year because I'm never going to hear the end of it. So Julian Rosa, hey, great,
Starting point is 00:34:33 performance, great fighter, but I cannot call a grown man juicy. We got DJ Paul, we got Juicy Jay, we got crunchy black, we got gangstaboo. We got Lord Infamous and one that I'm not going to say on air because it would be like I'm in the wrong skin color. Yes, that's why I call. Maybe it'll be the year of Brennan Allen after his second round submission win over Sam Alvey. maybe you'll be the year of Brian Battle after his one-eyed third round dig deep, unanimous decision went over Trayshon Gore
Starting point is 00:35:08 maybe it's the year of Sexy Maxie John Castaneda finishing Miles John's What is Gore's nickname? Mr. Vicious? Silly. Is it Mr. Vicious? It's something that, yeah, it is Mr. Vicious.
Starting point is 00:35:24 He needs to change his name to the God Butcher from the Marvel Comics because that's Gore the God Wichard. And that is just a fantastic name. he's going to be played by A.K. Lee. He's going to be played by Academy Award winner Christian Bale in the new
Starting point is 00:35:38 Thor movie. So this is the Academy Awards are coming up. You can clearly see where my head's at. Hung out with Joe B. in Anaheim. I'm just constantly, you know, kind of plug these Oscars. Well done. There are a lot of finishes on this card. Malcolm Gordon with the nasty arm injury. This was a good
Starting point is 00:35:54 card up until like near the end. This was not, I'm seeing a lot of comments like, oh, this card was crap. I'm like, what? Like this card was fine up until maybe the last two. It was fine. How was this a bad card? Why was this? Phil Roe, good.
Starting point is 00:36:09 Phil Roe, great performance. Gialton Almeida. Amazing. That guy is going to be really, really tough to beat. Davis Stoli Rehnko was really fun. That was a fun fight. Cheaty with 16 second knockout. That would do look really good tonight.
Starting point is 00:36:25 Cassidate had a great performance. It was amazing. The Julian Rosa, Stephen Peters, the fight was ridiculous. You can play in that fight alone Should tilt the scale I'm not saying it's like the card of the year But like this is a bad like this is a bad card Like then what I don't like I think we need to
Starting point is 00:36:39 Shafcott We got freaking Chofcott With the spinning hook kick Yeah I don't know It just it just wasn't It was fine It was a good card I thought Not every it wasn't a perfect card
Starting point is 00:36:50 But it was good Like I don't know I'm not sure people were looking for Was this the best UFC card of the year In terms of like the performances It was the best card in February yeah no because
Starting point is 00:37:04 there were a lot of decisions on Cater Chikaze and then there were a lot of fights that were fights and they were like fun performances but there was nothing like crazy in UFC 270
Starting point is 00:37:16 270 it probably was the best one so far it was better than Bellator 273 yeah unless you were there person so I mean yeah maybe this is the frontrun
Starting point is 00:37:31 right now. I mean, it didn't end tremendously. It was like if you watch the Royal Rumble this past Saturday, you started with Roman Reins and Seth Rollins and it was a great match. You're like, all right, this is going to be really good. Then it ended with that terrible Royal Rumble with that predictable finish and you left
Starting point is 00:37:47 with the terrible taste in your mouth. And I feel I don't feel it was not bad tonight, but obviously MMA fighters is just better than professional wrestlers at professional wrestling. Bobby Lashley, Ron and Brock Lesnar Let me just put it this way. I think like nine out of the, I think like nine out of these 13 fights were worth watching.
Starting point is 00:38:06 Like if someone asked me and they missed the card and they're like, what should I watch? Like, what should I skip? Like, oh, you can skip like four fights on it maybe. Nine out of 13 fights were worth watching. That's a good card. That's how, like, I don't know, again, I just don't know what the definition of a bad. Now I don't know what the definition is anymore. I guess anything that wasn't like it didn't end at the fight of the year main event is a bad card.
Starting point is 00:38:24 I just have no idea. I really don't know what that, you know, what it is. MMA fans in 2022 are just on a level right now. I mean, I don't know what's going to make you happy. I mean, look at the stretch they had from like UFC 267 and USC 2569. Like just every paper. Like if you look at our like events of the year, fight of the years, they all take place in the span of like three months. Yep.
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Starting point is 00:39:58 You know, let's go to... Let's go to the peeps. Let's see what the peeps are thinking right now. Go to them for a few minutes. See what they gets to say. This is now a three six on the podcast. Yes. Read the name.
Starting point is 00:40:16 Shot off shoddy said make sure we read this out loud for our podcast listeners. And I'm not joking for those listening right now. Do Do Do Poop said, Izzy will kick Strickland's head off his shoulders. He's not ready. he needs another fight with a killer first. Listen, nobody thinks Strickland's fighting for the title next. All right, we're all aware of that.
Starting point is 00:40:36 But there's some interesting options. Like we said, throw him in there with Vittori. Paul Costa just seems like so much chaos. Like everything about that, just the whole fight week and Costa being like, will he make weight? We'll even try to make weight? Will he just try to make this a 205-pound fight just like he did with the Vittori fight? Like all sorts of fun chaos that Sean Strickland would just find himself involved in. just seems like a lot of fun.
Starting point is 00:41:00 So, I mean, no, there's no need to throw him into a title fight, but yeah, there's some good matchups for him. I don't think Izzy kicks his head off. I think Eric Nixick has Sean Strickland down to a science. Because if you watch that fight, pretty much everything Jack Kermanston threw, Sean Strickland got out of the way, but didn't exude, like, a ton of energy.
Starting point is 00:41:24 Like, he got out of the way, like, inches. So, and then it was right back in it. And then in between rounds, like Nixick was breaking him down. Like, I think Eric Nixick is just an outstanding coach. Because he like, because I think, like, I spoke with Greg Jackson once. And it's like when he sees certain fighters, if he just sees their silhouette, he can tell you exactly where they fight. Like, AKA guys have a similar fighting style, like ATT guys have a similar style, Mark Henry
Starting point is 00:41:52 and this and that. I think Eric Nixick is just like the opposite of that. think he just is it's fighter to fighter he just builds around that fighter's strength specifically and i think him and sean strickland uh him and francis gano him and all of his fighters is just such an astounding uh like cohesive unit i think i don't think is he i think i would very clearly pick izzie to win that fight but i don't think he decapitates him i think they would have a pretty solid game plan to avoid that yep i'd like to see nixick i mean that'd be an interesting fight someday.
Starting point is 00:42:27 Nick. Nickson versus Eugene Behrman? Like that is such a good fight right there. Eric Nixick, by the way, responded to the split decision said, quote on Twitter, not even one media member scored it for Jack Cermanston. I know we
Starting point is 00:42:43 won, but if this guy is still judging, he will continue to make egregious decisions and ultimately cost fighters their careers in livelihood. So that's Eric Nixick for you. And I can't, yeah. And Eric Nixick is, like, is, And Eric Nixick is too level-headed for MMA.
Starting point is 00:43:01 I've been saying that forever. And so anything that gets him riled up is like, you know something's wrong. And before we get his next question, I will say, I still think Strickland could have a competitive fight with Adisanya. He really just did enough to win today. And I get it, it was not exciting. But I think they respected how dangerous Hermanson was. And they fought the kind of fight that would not allow Hermanson to show off his best skills. That's what they did.
Starting point is 00:43:27 And it led to, again, pretty uneventful, pretty monotonous fight. But it's winning. Winning isn't always exciting. We have countless champions throughout UFC history. We've seen sometimes have bad fights when they win. I'm not saying Strickland's a UFC champion, but I'm saying you put them in there with Adesania. You'll see a different fighter than when you saw tonight. Of course, I pick Adesania to beat him nine times out of ten.
Starting point is 00:43:46 But it was not like, oh, he's going to knock him out in 30 seconds. Like, no, it's stylistically, it's a good matchup. Yeah. Marvin Vitori. Marvatori kind of wrote the blueprint on how to beat Jack Kermanson with volume. and they pretty much use a lot of those same strategies. Do I think Adasani's losing sleep over this fight? Probably not,
Starting point is 00:44:03 but he's also got a big fight against the number two guy in the world coming up in a week's time right now. Like he's getting ready to probably walk into the Toyota Center at this very moment one week from right now. So he's got a lot on his mind. I don't think this fight cost him any sleep, if we're being honest, because it's probably not going to have him for another year or so.
Starting point is 00:44:23 I hope we're not. Well, that would be a pretty wild man car if they're about to fight at 9 o'clock. So yeah, let's do it. Right. All right. What's next for Sam Alvey, AK? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:44:38 Listen, I probably don't know enough about Sam Alvey's personal life, certainly not about his finances. But you have to be thinking retirement at this point. He'll be 36 in May. He's on quite a winless streak. He tied BJ Penn tonight for the longest winless streak in UFC. history.
Starting point is 00:45:00 0, 7, and 1, which I think is the same as BJ. BJ had the draw against John Fitch, which I don't know if it was the beginning of his winless streak. It was early. I was out of the first. I believe BJ beat Matt Hughes and then fought John Fitch to a draw. So it was the draw. And then I could be wrong.
Starting point is 00:45:16 You might be right. And then like seven straight loss, something like that. So Alvi's a little different. So it was three straight losses. There's a draw. And then four straight losses before that. Either way, bad. I think, I don't think we need to delve too much in the data here.
Starting point is 00:45:27 It's bad. He's lost to good fighters. He's lost to mid-range fighters. He's lost to short notice replacements like he did tonight. Brennan Allen, a huge favorite. It wasn't shocking. Obviously viewed as a much more talented fighter on the come-up right now while Alv's on his way down.
Starting point is 00:45:42 I called second round submission, by the way, on the money. So it was a little touching go there in round one. I think people were like, oh, wow, Alvey looks better than we expected. But again, when you call in a guy on four days notice, I think it took Brennan a little bit of time to get going. once he did he asserted himself and he won the fight. But I just don't know if I know if you're Sam Alva, you're looking like, oh, I went to a decision with this guy. I went to a decision with this guy.
Starting point is 00:46:05 It's not like my chin is shot, but you're only going to take more damage here on out. I have to think the UFC is finally going to part ways with him. I know we said the same thing after that ugly, ugly, ugly, lost decision loss of Wellington Termin. For some reason, they gave him another shot. I think this is it, though. I think it's time to let go. And if you're him and you can afford it and you have other things to move on to in life, maybe you consider retirement.
Starting point is 00:46:29 Yeah, I don't know if the UFC brings them back, but it wouldn't shock me if they did. Happy trails, perhaps, smiling Sam. And we know you'll be smiling all the way. You don't trust a man named juicy. Again, it loses something in the translation, but that is an ancient Chinese proverb. You don't trust a man named juicy.
Starting point is 00:46:50 Silly. Banana leaf. Did Soriano get injured? Yes, that's an interesting question. I'll have to check in. May I'll ask Eric Nixick. It seemed like he was streaking in pain in the middle of the fight. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:06 I mean, it's probably like a pulled muscle or something. Like, I'm sure something tweaked. I mean, he basically was carrying Nick Maximoff on his back for 15 minutes. So I'm sure that's just annoying on many fronts. So don't know what the injury was, but it seemed like something was bugging him. Joseph Bose, the thoughts on Brennan Allen today. Literally came off the coach on three days known as flew into Vegas, went straight to his scrum and did that to Sam Alvey.
Starting point is 00:47:31 He did what he had to do as the biggest favorite on the card. So good on him. And we'll see what's next. He wanted to come back, said he had a bad taste of his mouth, said something happened with his last fight, some personal stuff. So clear-headed, good on him. Yep. Did what he had to do.
Starting point is 00:47:49 Leathery foot. J. Elmada definitely deserves a shout-out. He looks like a promising light heavyweight prospect. A.K. Are you a believer? Wow. That dude was scary. I mean, he looked scary. Mike, I messes you saying his physique looks improved.
Starting point is 00:48:01 impressive. That's not how I put it, but there was a, his physique incredibly impressive. If anyone wants more information, go read Guillermo Cruz's article. He interviewed Jailton last February. I'm sure he'll speak to Jailton again soon and get some more info, but you can sort read about it, Jalmata, comparing his style to Habib Normagomatov, saying I use him as a reference. So that's a scary thought. When you see the guy that big, that aggressive, you saw, you saw the wrestling today. You saw the he was this is a guy who was not just holding on a position. I mean, once he got into, he advanced him out and was just pounding away. He was either going to choke Dillon-L Marquez or he was going to punch him out. Eventually the TKO happened.
Starting point is 00:48:41 Marquez was a little salty about it. But I think, I think it was a referee Mike Beltran who did a good job and he's like, no, you're, you're not getting into that position. Why should I let you take 20 more hammer fist? So yeah, he's definitely a promising light heavyweight prospect. I think that's accurate. Light heavyweight, not the deepest division. you could see him in the top 10 by the end of this year. Yeah, he's legit, man. Lamboboboske. What about the first bout that Ukraine dislocated his shoulder?
Starting point is 00:49:12 Yeah, that was nasty. I think that's I am Boboski. I am Boboski. What did I say? Lamb. It looks like an L. It looks like a lower case L. Lampbo.
Starting point is 00:49:23 Was it his shoulder or his elbow? Elbow. Wasn't it like his elbow that like popped out? there was pictures on Getty, so right, like, right onto it where, yeah, look, this big bulbous, like, it was horrible. It was horrible. He was really, and he's, we're talking about before the show, Mike, Danied Bondar, really hyped up, 14 straight wins, a guy who looks like, I think he is going to be a factor
Starting point is 00:49:49 of flyweight. And his debut was delayed multiple times. So very unfortunate, he finally gets in the Octagon and suffers kind of a freak injury. A congrats to Malcolm Gordon for the win. But I think even he afterwards was like, holy crap. Like, that wasn't the plan. I think he did know the move that he attempted had some risk of injury, but no one plans to snap another dude's arm like that.
Starting point is 00:50:09 And hopefully Bondar's not out too long, and it is not a tear. It is like maybe a clean break or something. Otherwise, I don't know. It could be another long delay. But Bondar is a prospect. Just his debut could not have gotten worse for him. 100%. Alex Lossett.
Starting point is 00:50:28 The ESPN Plus stop censoring today or someone asleep at the wheel. I mean, the exclusive ESPN plus cards, they usually don't censor that much because it's not on television. It's on like basically a premium service that you pay for. But I know some of those cards get shown on maybe TSN, like regular TSN. I don't know if that was the case up in your neck of the woods, AK. Was it on TSN or was it on like? Yeah, yeah, it was on TSA. And we had hardcore censoring.
Starting point is 00:51:00 Like they did the thing where as soon as there was a bad word, they just censored the next like 20 seconds just in case. So a lot of the post-fight promo, I'm not kidding, a lot of the post-fight promos, I caught like some words here and there. I got the journal gist of it, but tons of bleeping up here. Yeah, it was pretty good here.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Nothing really got. And luckily there's nothing too crazy anyways. Brian Battle was all sorts of fired up. Tom S. Do you know the story behind Strickland's walkout song, odd choice, and no idea what story is. What do you walk out? surprising either. What's it called? What's that song called?
Starting point is 00:51:37 Something marching one by one. Hurrah. Yeah, yeah, Damon. Damon has the name. Did you, Jose, did you hear it? No, I had it muted. Yeah, it's that da-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And it's called, oh, when Johnny comes marching home. Thank you. Shout-out to Damon Martin for always walking out to the Antscom marching. I think, I don't think it's that song. I think that's what, I don't think it is, though. I'm going to tell myself that that's what he walked out to. Okay. But you know the song.
Starting point is 00:52:13 That's the first thing I thought about too. So what do you think of that, Jose, as a walkout song? It's just a weird walkout song for a weird guy. Uh-huh. I think Brian Battle had the best walkout song of the night. What did he walk out to? Triple H's, the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:32 Motorhead. That was pretty awesome. Thoughtful DJ. Strickland's psycho schick is kind of amusing, but that flies off the window when you're that careful in a fight. Listen, it's definitely...
Starting point is 00:52:44 It's definitely interesting where if you just show all of that dude's interviews and then you watch his... Who's the... Was it a Grubaka hitman that tweeted? Oh, the funniest. How many rounds would it take for Sean Strickland actually kill a guy?
Starting point is 00:52:58 30 or 35? Which is hilarious because I do. agree. I was watching this fight. I'm like, Sean Strickland is clearly a psycho, but he doesn't fight like a psycho. He fights like an intelligent highlight. Some people are just really good at one thing. And Sean Strickland is really good at not getting punched and throwing in one jab. So props to him. He's a wacky individual and sends a lot of stupid things and he's clearly a psychotic individual, but he's a supremely talented fighter. Maybe that's a mind game. on top of everything.
Starting point is 00:53:34 I don't think Sean Strick's deep dive into mind games. I think he's a wack. I just think he's a lunatic. I think that's 100% him. But maybe Eric Nixick is just like that guy. He's like his Paul Bearer with the urn, where he just kind of calms him down and puts him in the right spot. That's true.
Starting point is 00:53:51 It felt like it was a make or break fight for Hermanson. Given the split decision loss, he probably deserves another top opponent. What do you guys think about him fighting at Welterweight if he loses again? Can Hermanson cut to Walterweight? he's a pretty big dude he's tall he looks huge he looks huge yeah he i wish that if i was in california i'd love to know what he weighed tonight yeah no he looked he's probably like he's probably in the twos he'd have to really slim down
Starting point is 00:54:19 he'd have to lose some muscle and i you know you know if you're a fighter that's not really ideal or he could just stick in middleweight keep making money and you know he's clearly a top 15 middleweight. He's always in it. Like he lost a couple of fights and then he came back in the, or he lost a cannoneer, and then he came back and like tapped gasoline like
Starting point is 00:54:38 ASAP. Like he's I don't have a problem like to stick of 185 and just keep winning. Yeah, he's a very serviceable guy. Very serviceable guy. His late class changes aren't always the answer. Most surprising victory of the night.
Starting point is 00:54:55 Hmm, that's a good question. Castaneda? Yeah. I mean, he's good. It wasn't like a massive upset. But I do think I pick Johns. I don't know if you guys picked Cassonade. At one point, at one point was like an undefeated prospect that everyone was super high on.
Starting point is 00:55:16 I was at his fighting Houston. It was like one of the last few pay-per-views before the pandemic. And he was a really good interview. And then he lost in his hometown and then popped back and won a couple more. So I thought I was real high Miles John after that. And Cassonade is just also very, very good. I don't know if that was more people under us. to castanator, people were just really high on Miles John, or just a combination of both.
Starting point is 00:55:38 And would you say he looked amazing during the entire fight? He looked like amazing during the entire fight. Like it was a complete performance. It wasn't like, oh, he came back or like back and forth and then got the finish. It was like, no, he looked. I think he won the first two rounds and then finished in the third. So really good, really good by Castaneda. I like Miles Johns a lot.
Starting point is 00:55:54 I think he's very skilled. I think what always made him so terrifying at 135 was that he was always a wrestler first. that had big knockout power, but now he's sort of becoming the guy who has big knockout power that might wrestle once in a while. Like, he's kind of kind of go back to his bread and butter, I think. Like, if he was mixing in those takedowns
Starting point is 00:56:17 and trying to grind out Cassinator, that might have been a different fight, but I think sometimes when you get a couple of, like, if you get two straight, spectacular knockouts like he's had, sometimes you just fall in love with your striking and you feel like, okay, I'm just going to lure you in, and I'm just going to land that one big shot, And I feel like Trashon Gore, there's a very similar, it was almost like the identical game plan.
Starting point is 00:56:39 Trashon Gore landed a couple of takedowns late in that fight with Brian Battle. But at the same time, like, battle was landing with a lot more volume. He was coming in. He was mixing things up. And Gore was just trying to land that one big shot. And I feel like John's kind of fell into that same trap. And he's kind of fought that way his last few fights. And it's been successful the two previous bouts.
Starting point is 00:56:59 But Cassane is good, man. He's good. And he's starting to find himself. And that's a guy who thought he was, and I've talked to him about this, four or five years ago, one of the top prospects in the sport. And he just kind of got full of himself. He got very cocky. Thought he was just, I mean, I'm going the UFC. I'm the man.
Starting point is 00:57:20 And then lost a couple of fights. And then he had to humble himself up a little bit. Went back to Minnesota and just got into these killer training camps with Brock Larson and some of those other folks. Now he's got Rose and Pat Barry coming in to train with him. he's getting humbled up his head's in the right place he's it he's gonna be a good guy at 135 he's gonna be an interesting interesting feller no doubt about it i like sex sexy maxi mike someone is asking for your best paul bear impression david sandy and can you do one oh yes that's all i got oh i can i'll i can do uh i'll i'll do one for i'll do one erics as eric nick sick for uh for
Starting point is 00:58:02 Sean Strickland. Oh, Sean Strickland. We're coming for the middleweight title. Oh, tonight we bury Jack Hermanson. We're two fights away and soon. Israel had a son, you will rest in peace. You know what's funny is you sound like, you sound like AK trying to do a Paul Vera impression.
Starting point is 00:58:27 That's good. That is good. Okay, good. That's what I was going for. that was a good impression I just next time I would like I had the problem
Starting point is 00:58:35 I would like for you to bring more there not enough eyebrows oh yeah your eyebrows were very under yeah were very underutilized and you're not the facial expression was there
Starting point is 00:58:45 so on a scale of one to 10 I give that like a solid seven good note that's a good that's a good that's pretty good that was pretty good and with that said you hear the music in the background because even Casey's had enough
Starting point is 00:58:55 after that impression so UFC Vegas 47 in the book A.K. and I back tomorrow with podcast, audio-only version of Onsen, next one. So get your matchmaking suggestions in. And that's that. And then, of course, UFC 271 going down next week, Jose, I believe will be in Houston, Texas, and we'll have all your coverage for that event. Lots of fun stuff. So thanks for checking us out for Jose, for A.K. I am Mike Kek, big thank you to Casey on the ones and twos. Good night, everybody.
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