MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 48 | Knucklemania 2 | Bellator 274 Post-Fight Show | Who Won the Night?

Episode Date: February 20, 2022

After big wins for Jamahal Hill at UFC Vegas 48, Mike Perry and Chad Mendes at BKFC's Knucklemania 2, and Logan Storley at Bellator 274, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, José Youngs, and Jed Meshew react to a wild and chaotic night in combat sports.  Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm just feeling the beat right now before we actually officially launch this post-fight show, because we have a lot to discuss. We watch a lot of fights tonight. I mean a lot of fights. UFC Vegas 48. We had Bellator 274. We had Knucklemania 2.

Just so much happening on this Saturday. And we're here to recap it all with all of you lovely people who have stuck around throughout the entirety of this triple header. and that's what we're going to do right now. So welcome to the Trio Post Fight Show here on M.A.fighting.com. I am Mike Heck, joined by a couple of other wonderful fellows. We got Jose Young's. We got Jed Mishu. There he is.

And we have all of you. And we have Casey on the ones and twos. And I don't even really know. Oh, hello, Casey. I don't even really know where to begin because there was so much happening. We should probably start with Jamal Hill's. terrifying knockout. Jed, you have said,

Chad, you have said many times on our various programs that it is a special skill to deliver these knockouts, but it is almost an equally great skill to take a knockout in a spectacular way. That was, I mean, that was, I mean,

a combination of the two, wasn't it? That was a brutal knockout by Jamal Hill, huge win. I don't know if I've ever seen a reaction. before a man hit the canvas quite like that one. Where did you think of Jamal Hill's performance and just the ferocity of that knockout?

Dude, it was awesome. I don't know, like, there's not a ton to really say about it other than I have never seen a human body do that unintentionally because, like, I don't know, his body seized up and then like spring-loaded itself back into the cage. I have no idea how what physically occurred just did. But it was, especially from that first angle you're watching live where it's like behind, behind him, and you see him just sort of stand up tall and then kind of jump and fall back is just, it was incredible.

It's one of the, Alexander Lee and I do a column every Friday called Mistfist, about, you know, the regional amazing highlights. And we have an award called the Humpty Dumpty Award for falling in a comical or ridiculous fashion. and man, if we did that for this event, for sure, or for any, like, high-level big fights, for sure. For sure, Johnny Walker is getting dumpty-dumpty. It was awesome. What did you think of it, Jose?

I mean, not only was it just a huge win, the biggest win of the career for Jamal Hill, but it was just a spectacular knockout. It was just one of those shocking ones. My eight-year-old had come up and was wondering why I was screaming so loud, and he saw the knockout on the, the replay and it said he goes that tall guy looks like he was coming out of a jack in the box where his exact words so what did you think of the knockout and and just the overall performance

of jamaal hill because this guy is a serious problem yeah i'll i'll put it to you in a way i think mike i think you'll appreciate this and maybe maybe some of our listeners will appreciate it i watched russomalia 18 and when stone called steve austin hit scott hall with that stunner that we've all seen a million times. I was like, well, that doesn't really leave much to the imagination because that looks real fake because no one would ever go that high after getting knocked out. And then we saw it tonight. So good on you, Stone Cold Steve Austin. Jamal Hill made you look like you were actually doing that in in WrestleMania 18. But yeah, that was a spectacular knockout. 10 out of 10 across the board, probably shortlisted for knockout of the air. Obviously, in MMA, I'd really have

to just sit down and think about it. But that might be number one. but I know we all talked about at the beginning of this, uh, the preview show that if Johnny Walker wanted to keep his job or not be on the short list for getting axed, that he would at least put on like a competitive back and forth, exciting fight didn't even get the opportunity to do that because Jamal Hill just gave him a one way ticket to the shadow realm,

uh, courtesy of a very, didn't a glancing below, I want to say, didn't even look like it landed that flush. It was kind of like that, uh, Barbosa, Shane Burgos knockout where it was like super,

delayed except instead of going 10 feet in the air burgos just kind of turned into silly putty and collapsed on the ground so yeah it's our scene jamaul is a bad dude i'd probably slop maybe just outside the top 10 right now for going off of rankings and who is ranked and who he beat and so on and so forth but good on you jama hall jama hall jamaal hill you're right outside the top 10 and like heavy weight yeah he's a guy that i definitely can't wait to see again and i mean how far do we want to take him, Jed, because you want to be careful with the guy like that, but at the same time, starching Johnny Walker like that in the first round in such a vicious way, you almost want to just see what's out there.

I mean, there's perfect litmus test for him. There's the Volcan Ozedomiers of the world. I've seen a lot of different suggestions from that to Dominic Reyes, Anthony Smith, some different names being thrown out there. How high would you be willing to see him go right now in terms of his next opponent after this win? Oh man, I don't know. Because it's hard.

I think we feel we're ascribing a lot more importance to knocking out Johnny Walker than there probably is just because we all love Johnny Walker because the things Johnny Walker made us feel at one point in time. And the fact that like Johnny Walker was one win away from challenging for UFC title, but now he's won in four in his last five. Like I think this is going to get Jamal Hill ranked in our rankings at the end of the. this month, but I don't, I don't love his chances against any guy, like, way up there, so I don't, I don't want to move him up too fast, you know. You probably still need to give him somebody, though, like, I don't know. Is Tiago Santos fighting somebody? I feel like Tiago Santos probably wins that fight, but that's a fight I'd watch.

He's fighting ankle I.F. Oh, well, then he can fight Tiago Santos after Santos loses his ankle I have. That seems like a good way to go. I'm sure, do that. That's the booking I give him. And we talked about this on the previous show. We talked about it was brought up on the pre-fight Q&A, Jose. And you said to ask you after the event.

So where does Johnny Walker go from here? Because like Jed said, one in four in his last five, this is kind of a must win for him if he ever wanted to climb the ranks. Is he on the chopping block right now? Will me go that far? We'll go to you. We'll go to you in a second, faces.

Who should Johnny Walker fight? Or where should he go? Is his job on the line now? Is there a chance? In this hypothetical world, like, if I'm going to, in this world, I'm going to say he gets one more fight just because, like, he is, he has the possibility of at least putting someone over

in wrestling terms and spectacular fashion one more time like Jamal Hill. I don't know. Dominic Reyes could be one to get Dominic Gray's back on the wind column. I don't know I can't let me pull up our rankings right now go to Jed I'm sure he he's champing at the bits to say something

solve what do we what do we solve on Twitter spaces we on Twitter spaces we figured it out I think Dominic Gray is if he stays in the UFC is actually totally like a really good fight for him but no the answer is what we talked about on BTL instead of Androaulovsky

we do the trade. We package up Bobby Knuckles and now Johnny Walker in exchange trade Jammer Key and then Johnny Walker fights Yolo Romero and it's the greatest thing that's ever happened in my life

certainly I can't speak for anybody else but give me Johnny Walker versus Yol Romero if somehow Johnny Walker can just fight Vadim Kov that would be hilarious I'm here for that so that's it he's part of the trade package

All right what do you think Jose What are the rankings God's telling you right now? What message are they sending you? Well, he lost to Paul Craig, so I'm not going to put him above. Paul Craig. Paul Craig is sitting 13 in our rankings right now. So I'd probably slot him 14. Ozdemair and Krylov goes down one, and Krilov is false to 16 if we're putting that

ranking. So like I said, just outside the top 10, if you're looking at just the UFC rankings, I think they even threw him up there. I think Paul Craig was sitting. at 11 and Johnny Walker might have been sitting at 10. So I'd probably move Paul Craig up to 10. Jamal Hill to 11, which means he would be right outside the top 10 again. I just, it feels like as spectacular as a knockout as this last two are.

It feels weird putting him above Paul Craig considering Paul Krebs snapped his arm in half in front of 30,000 people in Glendell, Arizona. So yeah, right outside the top 10, which is according to most people in the UFC light heavyweight division, a top five title challenger at this point because we're running out of people to fight. Jamal Hill obviously got himself an extra 50 G's for that knockout. How could you not give him

one? David O'Nama got 50 G's. Stephanie Edgar got 50 G's. Kyle Doccus got 50 G's. You know who didn't get 50 G's dead Mishu? Jim Miller didn't get 50s. Why? How is this possible? Like, no disrespect

to Kyle Doccas because he gets the win. It's a buzzer beater. I think that helped the highlight, you know, getting the tap right before the horn sounds. But he was like a three and a half to one favorite to win that fight. Jim Miller, the underdog, take it on the up and coming prospect, who was the favorite. And Jim Miller just goes out there and bolts Nicholas Mata. And no bonus? What gives?

Did they get this right? Oh, probably not. Yeah. I mean, I think the issue with the Kyle Dawkes thing is it was objectively cool, Jim finish just because it's the buzzer-beater tap. Like, that's, that's, that is cooler to hit a buzzer-beater sub than, than Jim Miller with the, the underdog win. I don't know if it's right or wrong, but, you know, Jim Miller's won a lot of bonuses.

So, maybe they just didn't want to give him another one. They're like, yeah, Jim's, Jim's going to be fighting here for another 12 years. So we don't need to give him one now. He's going to be here in 2045, still picking up wins over undefeated debutants. Yeah, I mean, I get where I get where you're coming from We also got a unanimous decision win from Parker Porter So there you go another victory for him Wachim Buckley wins a split decision

That was a victory for the fans Mike It sure was Walking Buckley That's own Parker Porter That's right Defeats Abdul Razak Alassan Split decision Jose Youngs Did you ever imagine a world where that would happen

Because we put it on the ether Everyone thinks you're a jinx when you say it, but it's just a shocking result to a fight that no one thought would go that way. I just think fight fans need to accept the fact that when you get two knockout artists that are going to break brick and one of them really needs a win and one of them to get knocked out again, it's probably not going to happen. Like, I was like, I was watching this fight and it just dawned to me. I'm like, every time we talk about like, oh, this isn't getting out of the first round, it almost always does. And it almost always goes to the decision. Like the main event tonight was kind of the anomaly at this point. So I would have been more surprised that that did end in the first round.

Remember when Krilov fought Johnny Walker? And we're like, well, there's no way this fight gets to the fifth get reached to the judge's scorecard. And then that fight happened. And I don't remember anything about it. Like it just happens all of the time. So it wasn't a bad fight by any means. It definitely wasn't a split decision. I thought Walking Buckley won pretty comfortably on my scorecards.

But yeah, it just, it's fight fantasy to stop being surprised when knockout artists. go to the decision. Wow. What production value? Casey was ready with that hit. So 8 to 7 for Alassan and then of course Drake

Regs just has to be Drake. I'll say so much respect for Drake. Way to go, Drake. A draw. I mean, I don't know where we get a draw out of this equation. It's Aaron Bronstetter level scorecards right there. Where does the draw come from?

I don't know. Is it a 9-9? I had to have done it. I guess maybe he went 10-8 for the last round. That seems questionable. How? Oh, man. I love you, Drake.

I don't know how you find your way to a draw there, but I respect it. Yeah, that is an elite level. To be fair, Drake has a tattoo of a goat on his arm because he made a bet because he was real confident that Megan Anderson was going to be. and Nunes. That is So the man is a confident The man is a confident boy. He sure is.

I confidently proclaimed a worst pick But then it worked out So I guess I can't knock him But that is a bold I respect To get to on Giuliana Payne yet So I've been looking for a tattoo bet to do

With John Anick For every time I'm on fight Fight Week on site Me and John Anick are trying to come up With a tattoo bet to do So if anyone's watching Or listening Give us some ideas

because I'm 100% down to do it. I like it. You should do some with like the Patriots and the Packers. He would love that. I can't put the Patriots on my body. I'd have to chop my arm off. I just see. That's why it's a good pick right there.

I'm sure Anik would probably feel the same way about the Packers. Before we move on to the rest of the night, because I think, I mean, it was a fine card. It probably over-delivered in some ways, especially the way that the night ended. Jed, if tomorrow, your friend calls you up and says, what did I miss in this UFC card,

but you can't say Jamal Hill or Jim Miller, what are you telling people about? What's the first fight? What's the first moment you're telling people to go watch? I mean, it's got a, I guess David Anamo, like that's a one-round fight. Benitez, if you're just watching the highlight, the chaos still sick, and it was a really fun one-round fight,

just because Benitez was, we were watching it live on Twitter Spaces, and Benitez was kind of tooling him up there. And then all of a sudden, no, Dom would just turn the tables real fast. So I think if I'm getting one, and it's probably that, and it seems like the most fun for a person

who doesn't know a lot or care of that much about MMA. It's just in it for a good time. Give me that one. What do you think, Jose? The retirement fight for Chaskelly, of course, because they're never going to get to see Chaskelly. I don't even know if that was a, I don't even know if that was a retirement fight honestly.

That was like the most, he like basically retired, but didn't retire me and New Yorkerick were like, who were on our social, like, had a bunch of stuff queued up to post about Chas Skelly retiring. And then he didn't retire. We were like, do we post it? Like, did he actually retire? Or is he going to flake?

But regardless, I mean, when it was a win, the man, like, that was impressive performance for Chaskelly. A bunch of need the deal. dude in the face need the dude and then just beat the soul out of him then yelled at his coach or his opposing coaches for apparently his coaches were yelling he has no power and then he knocked out their fighter so good on you chas skelly right off into the sunset and just a fit of rage shoving something down to coach his faces love it it's because they said uh his his his strikes were soft or his hands were soft something like that when he strikes it was soft and then you got knocked out

yeah not good not a good knock it out of the knee Not his hands. So just saying, technically they're not wrong. It's all appendages. I mean, yeah, I mean, he landed the shots to end the fight. I mean, who knows. But good win. Good win for Chaz Skelly and perhaps his last fight.

Apparently he is doing some roofing now, which good for him. Getting into the roofing business. And he said, if the UFC wants me back, then I'll do something that's interesting. So he, like, shut the door, didn't lock it. So I don't know. I have a feeling we're going to see him again. It might not be for a while, but I think... Can you just imagine this in, like, a real sport?

Like, Eric Weddow, who came off the bench to win a suit... Or, like, off the street to win a Super Bowl with the Rams, whatever. What if Eric O'Roehl was just like, yeah, you know, I don't know, I was out of landscaping business I was doing, and the Rams called me up. It's just unbelievable. That's, like, a thing that is very commonplace. He's doing roofing now.

That's what he's... He's professional fighter. biggest league in the world. He's doing roofing, so maybe he'll fight again. Maybe not. He's got a real job. Yeah, I'd love to interview him. I have so many questions.

So many questions. Glory to Paula gets a victory, snaps a two fights kid. That was actually, I know you weren't a huge fan of that fight, Jed, but good technical striking there. The Anhellinger straighter fight was fun. Chad gets the win. Jonathan Pierce, Christian Rodriguez was fun.

Christian Rodriguez is going to be a giant problem for a lot of guys at 135 if he can get down to 135 and do it successfully because he missed on the contender series and that's a big no-no and good performance for Mario Batista against Jay Perrin so looking forward to see Jay Perrin

on a full camp and we'll see what happens so that's the UFC they're back again next week with Islam Lockachep versus Bobby Green what John Jonathan Pierce for winning honestly that's a crazy fight It was a really good fight. We should talk about Jonathan Pierce because at one point he was four in three

losing on Bellator Monster Series. Remember when they did that? They had like the fights at the monster rallies. He was four and three and losing on that. And then he gets Joe Loz on and gets basically Big Brother in his UFC debut. Now he's on a three-fight winstree.

Good on you, Jonathan Pierce. Yeah, dropping a 140. He is a tank at 145. He's massive. So much bigger than everything. everybody he's a giant but good win christian rodriguez great debut against up a weight class against a huge featherweight and almost got it done in the third round almost got the nice comeback so looking forward to see what is next for him and then the ufc's back next weekend good card uh some really good fights

armon sir rucion versus joel alvarez is on that card so there's a lot to look forward to outside of this main event jed i got to be honest with you you are our bellator guy tonight uh outside of outside of the final 90 seconds of the main event, I didn't see any of Bellator, not one second of it, because I was covering BKFC and trying to watch the UFC at the same time. So main event,

for those who didn't watch it, describe the main event, which Logan's story won V unanimous decision over Neiman Gracie. The main event was not a bad fight. It was Belator's first five-round non-title Monturney fight, and we went all five rounds. It was the classic,

two grapplers meet and we have a kickboxing match, which Mara Rinala was just more than excited to talk about as if this was something new and novel and not something that has happened since the history of this freaking sport. Basically, Storley got an early lead because he is a better athlete than Neiman Gracie, and Neiman Gracie couldn't take him down.

And then as the fight went on, it was really boring until the fourth round. The fourth round was awesome. Gracie caught Storley with a counter-right upper cut coming in. Hurt Storley may have broken his orbital bone based on the post-fight interview. Storley was in all sorts of trouble, but Gracie couldn't finish. And then Storley cracked Gracie with an overhand and had like dropped Gracie, had Gracie in all sorts of trouble, couldn't finish.

The fifth round, they were both pretty gassed. But they still kind of kept up a good work rate. And it was it was fun after the fourth round. The first three was really mediocre kickboxing. that Storley was winning with volume. And that's sort of just, and then Storley ended up taking a pretty clear, unanimous decision. Although the judges were interestingly split with a 48, 47, 49, 46, 50, 45. So we had the whole gamut of scores for Storley there.

But I think he won at least four rounds. So, yeah, it was really good. I mean, it was way better than it could have been, I guess, as a way to say it. And Logan Storley looked legitimately. really improved and that dude is a problem at welterweight like he's maybe not the most exciting guy but that dude's a problem what stood out to you Jose from from this bell to i think i know the answer but uh what stood out to you about this bell atro card well there are three people that stood out to me obviously the co-main event i talked about him a lot on the

previous show andres korskov remains one of the more underappreciated welterweights on planet earth. He's only lost to Douglas Lima and who he's beat, I'm pretty sure like, yeah, he's beating him too. With that, because they were kind of like trading the title back and forth for a long time. It's kind of like Pitbull and Daniel Strauss and like those early

2010 Bellator's where they just kind of reigns supreme at the top of the division. And then Ben Ascreen and Lorenz Larkin. The man just ate chance or count. Like hit him with a body, like a spinning back body kick. Chance tried to lock up and then his body just shut down on him. And then he just

Molly walked him on the ground. Calls out Paul Daly for London. Paul Daly has been begging for a big name to co-made event that card. Inject that fight into my veins. Koreshka v. Paul Daly. I need that real bad. Obviously, Brennan Ward, I'm sure are sure Jed's going to talk about it because that was a perfect setup fight for returning Brennan Ward.

Obviously, I tweeted that I was happy enough that he was alive, let alone fighting in MMA. So that was just a good story all around. And then I don't know if Jeff. watched it or I don't know if you heard about it Mike but Deanna Bennett absolutely molly walked Justine Keish like that

was about as one side of beat down as you can get so when I was like going through I was doing UFC Twitter reacts for the main card and there were actually a lot of fighters speaking about Deanna Bennett just absolutely beating the brakes off of Justin Keish I think there were even

like some 3026 3025 scorecards in there so those are the three most impressive performances outside of the main event in my mind. Plus, the end of a bit, her fight kit was, that worked for me.

I thought it was sick. I thought her kit looked sick. So, nice, nice, Casey. I just want to chime in a quick. I'm glad you mentioned her fight kit

because if you're interested, she also makes a bunch of pro wrestling outfits, too. She's a really good. Her name is DeFyla. Ila DeFiela and Google. She was on the, she was on the PWG squad.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's going. Oh, yeah, she's a great person. Yeah, yeah. I don't know anything about pro wrestling, so I was not setting this end for that viewers, but that fight kit was legitimately sick. She does the Young Bucks and Shana Baisler's wrestling game. Yeah, she's done a bunch of pro wrestlers, yeah.

So, that's, if you're wondering why it was so awesome, that's why. Makes sense. Good win for Adam Picolotti. And let's talk about Brennan Ward, Jed. You watched it. looks like second round what was it second round tko according to uh tephalo that is a second round tkoh that is a that man look everybody did their jobs everybody knew we they all knew the assignment and they all did their jobs uh brin ward was coming back

hosey has talked a lot about what britton ward's face and all that brandon bell is a 500 fighter who was on like a three-fight losing street coming into this fight. Brandon Ward or Brandon Bell's job was to come in here and and be a body. He was just be a body and everybody knew it from Jump Street. That whole crowd could not have been the biggest pop by far was, was Brennan Ward. Not like after the win even, like his walk to the cage, everybody was, everybody was there for Brennan Ward. This was the Brennan Ward show in Uncisfill. and immediately from the fight,

you immediately knew what was going to happen because Brandon Ward was operating on a different speed than Brandon Bell. It was like he was turned to like 1.5 and just he just battered Bell, like just pillar to post. The fight should have probably been stopped at the end of the first.

There were opportunities that, I don't remember who was refing it. There were opportunities to jump in, but Bell did just enough to stay alive and then Ward spent some time on the back and didn't just go flatten out and hammer him done. Bell's Corner shouldn't have sent him out there for the second round. I feel like they knew what they were doing.

They just were like, yeah, we know that we shouldn't send you out here, but no one wants to see Brennan Ward win it on the stool in his comeback fight. Just go out there, first punch he lands, fall over him, and it's a wrap. Brennan Ward storms across the cage, punches him real hard in the stomach, Bell falls over, fights done. Sure, it's technically a second round stoppage, but only in the most, the strictest of terms. How is the broadcast overall, Jed? Because we talk, that's one of the, it was so poor.

Like, I don't, look, I just don't. The fights themselves are pretty good tonight at Bellator, honestly, like, you know, not everything's a hitter, but not everything's going to do when you have a 13 fight card. but it is laborious to watch all of their production every every aspect of it is a tough hang

and I'm not the only one I got a bunch of tweets from people being like how come after every fight we get 20 minutes of Josh Thompson doing stuff like just there's no

momentum and then the actual fights John McCarthy and Morrow are like stuck in 2002 and it's just It's such a tough hang. Like, aside from the fact that we legitimately got a 10-minute promo package before the main event that wasn't diving into the histories of Neiman Gracie and Logan Storley and what they're about as people

and trying to build them as promotional entities or anything, you know, it was just straight up like wrestling versus BJJ. Yeah, this is what we're doing. We're going to talk about this. Like, let's talk to the ASU wrestling coaches. about this because Logan Storley went to Minnesota. I don't know what we're doing here. This was an event in Uncusville

featuring a wrestler who went to ASU. Yeah, Ryan Bader is your heavyweight champion. He went to ASU, but he wasn't fighting. I don't know what we were doing. It was like we were trying to explain to the audience what wrestling and BJJ are. And it was just awful. And then immediately, like, one of the first things Maro says

is just like, oh, Logan Storley knows that learned how to kickbox. Whoa. Like he's been an MMA fight for like seven years. I hope he knows how to kickbox by now, Maro. It was just awful. And I want them to do better because the fights themselves were good,

but everything else was really, really tough. Of course he knows how to kickbox. Henry Huffed is like one of his head coaches, for God's sake. He's been in the same for an M.A. For like five years. Robbie Luller and stuff.

Like there was a story that he looked way better. on the feet than he ever has. Like legitimately. He looked pretty improved, but it was not, oh, he's used his wrestling in reverse. Oh, we never saw it. No, man.

He was unbelievable how the storylines, like, John McCarthy was so hung up on the fact that he didn't chew to take down. I thought he was going to have to take Neiman Gracie down, but he's not doing it, Morrow.

He's just boxing him up. Yeah, Nima Gracie's not a good striker. like I picked Logan Storley to win and I did it entirely because like Logan Stoy is a better athlete and Neiman Gracie's not a good striker so like all he has to do is spam overhand rights he's going to win the fight incredibly frustrating to watch

so I missed a good one huh if you miss something man the fight again the fights themselves really good like yeah really good yeah they interviewed the ASU wrestling coach John Crouch, neither of who had any involvement in the man of him. I forgot that John Crouch was the other person. The team is like... I'm fairly certain they just shot that when they were in Phoenix like a couple weeks ago.

And because everyone keeps asking like, oh, why does what, why is the, why do they always throw up the diamonds from the MMA lab? And it's, I tweeted it. It's because it's a Gracie gym. It's a Gracie Jiu-Jitsu gym. That's why it's a triangle logo. So they got a guy who owns Gracie. Academy and

NCAA wrestling coach talk about two fighters that they don't coach. And it wasn't even like a technical discussion. It wasn't like, here's how Logan Storley wrestles and how this might play. It was just a purely, well, historically, BJJ and wrestling have had a rivalry. It's just like, what are we doing?

What are we doing? This is not 2002. If people are watching you, Bellator, they know what fighting is at least at a core understanding. And they can pull it off because the promo package that they put on for Brennan Ward where it was just him sitting in a dark room talking, I thought was like genuinely captivating. He's like, he's like, for their best thing. They've done. Yeah.

And it was so simple. Like, and I can like actually remember like things. He's like, people don't live after doing the amount of drugs that I've done. I was like, damn. Yeah. That is an intense statement. And you're about to fist fight a human being. Yes, it was, it's all so, and especially after, like going into it, I made sense.

But watching it, why Brennan Ward wasn't the co-made event is my model. I don't hate it better. But that was the-I don't hate the placement. I don't hate the placement because I feel like we see it in wrestling where, like, you get this epic fight and then, like, every one or epic match, then you kind of need a quote-unquote, like, pallet cleanser. because everyone is just so emotionally exhausted. Like when Gaiji Chandler kicked off and then... Sure.

But like when Gagey Chandler kicked off the pay-per-view and then just the second best fight in the night happened to be Shane Burgos, Billy Q, and no one cared. It's tough to come down from that for sure, but just like... It was just weird. Why you had like the middling heavyweight fight to open it up when this is...

That card was the Brennan War's show. Like, I don't... It is the only thing. people there were allowed or interested or cared about. He shouldn't fight anywhere else about onkisfil at all, unless they actually like go to Massachusetts. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, like bridgeport Connecticut or something. Yeah. And stick him in the stick him in New England. 100%. Davian Franklin gets a win. Speaking of scorecards. What the hell is that all about? 3027, a 29, 28 and then a 2928 the other way.

What happened? It was a bad fight. Like, it's not indefensible to score the fight for Soma. It's not good. Like, it's just not good, but it's not indefensible. That fight, Franklin swung and missed a lot. And I'm not taught, like, he swung, like, baseball throws. Like, throwing fastballs from the mound and missing by a country mile.

And, like, I don't, nothing really definitively great happened. the fight frankly like it it was clear that franklin was the more powerful better athlete and that so ho was pretty not interested in getting hit by him but didn't really generate a lot of his own offense so it was just it was just that was weird bad heavyweight m m and both of those dudes are ranked heavyweights for bellator incredible good win for nick nicole brown stopping mandel now that's a very good win jeline bates another finish of christie senel uh five and o now that that kid that could be good uh bobby king just halton all these momentums did it to nick newell now they throw a vive gazali in there with him and bobby king just just from what i understand

put a weapon on him so uh good win for bobby king the guy the wily vet continued on that for a moment because some real fun shenanigans happened in that fight. I'm going to butcher the name because I'm not good at saying. Aviv Ghazali, he's like hurt and in the corner, and they brought the doctor in to talk. And he speaks English. Like he knows, at least understands core competency what is happening. And he's just like, no, get the translator, man.

I don't understand. So they bring the translator to buy time, basically, before the doctor finally calls the bow. But there was like a minute there of real, no, he doesn't speak any English. And John McCarthy's just like, yes, he does. They're lying. It was wild. Yes, they both do.

Him and his dad both speak English. I've interviewed both of them before. John McCarthy on air is just like, he speaks English. I don't know what they're talking about. It's the one good thing John McCarthy's ever done because that was incredible telling us. television. She's like, they're just lying to buy time. Call it out.

Uh, uh-oh. Looks like we lost our host. You unplugged your mic, Mr. Heck? What happened? Anyway. All right. Let's take it. Mike, did you hit the mute button?

You're not muted. Is your microphone died? Mike, let's place the ratings. I have a feeling Mike was going to talk about knuckle mania two. I can't because I didn't watch any of this. Jose, did you watch any of knucklemania too?

I watched. So I was on UFC duty, and then as soon as the main event just ended real quick, I tuned in. And so I tuned in to the halfway through the second round of the Pratine Hart fight. And I apologize.

I cannot remember who her opponent was. I wrote it down and I lost the piece of paper. But Pratine Hart's face, looks like it got put through a meat grinder like that's very much a you want so you think you're a fighter

bro and then you put that face in front like on that poster it was not pretty like her face was a combination of her face was completely swollen shut like I was afraid she wouldn't be able to see in the middle of the fight and she had cuts all over her face so absolutely horrendous

massacre at the end came up short you back Mike I'm back, I'm back, my apologies. I don't know what's happening about. We talk about Christine's defeat of Bertain Beltran, Bertain Beltran, Bertain Beltran, Bertain Heart Beltron. Britain, yeah. Britain Harton, Britain.

Britain, yeah. Yeah, it was a good fight. It's a good fight. She got busted up down the stretch. It was good fight. Brin Hart won the first round, I thought. Yeah, it was good fight. Britain's tough.

It's she looks up to Christine. It's Christine already beat her, so there's a history there. Yeah, it was a good fight. It was a good fight. Christine's just an animal. It's like she's just built for this sport. Burton Hart's a great personality for this sport. It was a fine fight.

But not the storylines that really stick out because we had Mike Perry make his BKFC debut against Julian Lane, gets the victory, fun fight. Both dudes bleeding like crazy. But Chad Mendes goes in there and just puts the boots, not the boots, but the fists, the ungloved fists to the face of Fames over and over and over again, just drops them multiple times. It should have ended a lot. He dropped him like three times. I'm like, stop, like stop the fight. It was at the point of like, fame's like to his credit just did not.

Like if you gave him those eight seconds, he was standing up. And I'm like, do you just stay down. throw in the towel, do something. Like he's too, he's too tough for his own good. And then finally the refusely saved him. And like, they kind of panned over to him. And he was like, thank God. Like, I can't keep doing this anymore.

So he would have kept getting up. You're right. He would have kept getting up. Saved him from himself. I will say, because I watched that fight actually, because that was when they had that massive break in Bellator. So I actually got to watch the Chad Mendez fight. The dude hits hard.

He clearly has the gas tank. And he has like, how would I describe it? Like, he's, he has the balance and the footwork and everything he throws way too many haymakers like he throws a lot of looping punches the second he fights someone that knows how to avoid that it's going to be a long night i think like someone that can actually box it's going to be tough like chad men is should put away 99% of the roster of that division but if he goes up there as someone that can avoid that i think it's going to be a rough time because he was winging shots at some point yeah he calls for a title shot after the win who who would fight Luis Palomino who just beat Martin Brown in the main event but Luis Palomino's like

nope, Chad's gonna do more I know what's a money fight but he's got to do more and then he called somebody else out and I lost interest after he wasn't going to fight Chad is Is there some long history? He beat a musician You know who

you know who called out Chad Mendez after their last win before tonight? Who? Luis Palomino. He called him out before tonight. His win before tonight. He goes, I hear Chad Money Mendez is joining. And now, like, what are we talking about?

Just make the fight. You asked for it once. Chad Mendez asked for it. Just do it. Just make the fight. You silly, silly people. That's incredible. I love BKFC so much.

Like, I really do. It's just lack of run-ins. It's like a new world. we didn't need it tonight with the personalities on this card you just didn't uh yeah so good good fight for mike perry you know what i dis i want to talk about this for a minute because we talked a lot about the bellator broadcast i can't i can't think of worse product in terms of like direction like directing a tv product than bkfc that was bad that they have concepts But they, I'm just like, they have that camera that just, like, rotates in a circle.

I don't need that for an entire fight. Once at the intro, and then if there's, like, a crazy circle thing, like, just kind of keep with it, like a video game. I don't need it for an entire five-round fight. Like, when I watch bare-knuckle boxing, I want the boxing angles. I want to, I want close-up shots. I don't want to act like I'm a fly just buzzing around to fight. I want to get in there. Give me that Michael Bay shot for the entire fight.

Why not? I hate it. I absolutely hate it. What's worse? That or WWE broadcast? Those quick shots, man. They make you dizzy. WWE broadcasts you have like, it's like, you guys have seen taken, I assume.

It's like, you know that? I think it's taking. Remember that scene when it's like, I think someone counted it's like 17 camera cuts for Liam Neeson to hop over. Dude, they have to. Liam Neeson's like 70 and he's trying to hop a. fence. You can't have Liam Neeson

pop the fence in a long cut. It'll take 30 minutes into step ladder. Dog, just have him blow up the fence. If you're going to use budget, just have him blow up, blow it up. But yeah, I don't know. I didn't. It wasn't great.

I was not, I didn't enjoy the product. I didn't enjoy, I enjoy the product. I just wish they would present it better, if that makes sense. Yeah. No, I get what you're saying. I dig Sean Wheelock on the call. I think he's very good at his job.

I think he's one of the, I think he's one of the super underrated as a play-by-play guy. Eleanor could have definitely kept him around, I think. Was that Chris Lytle, those in the interviews too? Chris Lytle is there. Great. I like that. That's a good combination right there. Those two work very well together.

It was a, I mean, that was a fun card. It really was. It started with a bang. Ulysses Diaz, quick knockout after getting dropped real hard early on, gets the finish. The Christine Viscence versus Jod Misan Wong fight was insane. That was a crazy fight. Nasty cut opens up on Misan Wong. Doctor checks it.

I was like, doctor like, we're so funny about that. Doctor's like, yeah, she could fight. It took him like one second to say she could fight. And then they looked at it again the next round and they stopped it. And then Gustavo Trujillo, I thought he literally killed a man. That uppercut he landed in the first round. dude was down for a long time. I was like, uh-oh, that's not good.

And then obviously the Faria Hart-Baltron fight was fun. Mendez's fight was great. Perry Lane should have been the main event. I stand by that still should have been the main event. And then Palomino Brown was, eh, it was okay. But Palomino won, clear decision, but not of all the fights. That was probably the least entertaining of all the fights was the last fight of the fight. Yeah, in my view.

I'd agree. But what a night of fights. Let's go to the peeps and see what they thought about this Saturday of action. In the octagon, the round cage that Casey loves so much, and then the eight-sided boxing ring. Some comments on the rotating camera. Dude, it's so bad. I don't hate the concept, but I don't need it for an entire fight.

It's a camera angle you go to at the maybe the beginning of the round, maybe the very end of a round, but not a chunk of the round. It's just, I don't get it. And there's so many. It should be, it should be intros and before the final round. That's it. If it gets to the fifth round, before the fifth round. I just have this theory that the production team, they spent good money on that camera. So like, we're using it.

I get it. It's only reason they get it. I get it. I don't agree. I was a little disappointed tonight because Dave Feldman on Facebook said that they had made the biggest signing in BKFC history and they were going to announce soon. And I have no idea what that means. Like I was hoping they were going to announce this gigantic signing on the broadcast because why the frig wouldn't you on your biggest broadcast of the year? I just was just waiting.

I don't know. I have no idea. I'm so excited to find out. Are we going to sign Eddie Alvers to come in a fight? Probably not. Is it Francis Inganu? Because I would watch. I would watch Francis Igano and Bear Knuckle for all of my money.

I think it's tough. My guess is Tyrone Woodley. That's my guess. Oh, that's probably right. That's. Oh, and then he's going to fight Hector Lombard? Yeah, that feels like exactly what we're about to get. That's fine.

I'll tune in. Oh, I don't get any question on this, but questions on it. but Sean Wheelock said about Mike Perry, I think it was in the fighter meetings, he said, because if I break my hand, I hope the bone sticks out through my skin so I can stab laying in the eye. I just thought that was a great freaking quote.

It is a great freaking man. Mike Barry, rep in Mexico, apparently. Absolutely hero. Also, just very briefly to mention, because I didn't think of it until you just said it. How did Belator of Sean Wheelman? and Jimmy Smith, and this is the freaking commentary team we've been to us with. Don't get me started.

What world do they, like, you guys can leave? Give me Marlon, Big John. Let's go. You know what we need? Oh, dude. Have you, have you been to a live, have you been to a live Bellator show in the last couple years? I have never been to a live Bellator show. I have not had the opportunity to go to scenic, Uncisfil, Connecticut, or to, I don't even know what you call.

Packerville. Yeah, I don't know. I've driven through Packers. They haven't stopped. So for those who, like, go to the broadcast, if you're hoping to go to the broadcast to just, like, avoid hearing those two guys, they go to their podcast clips

between every fight while you're at the arena, at least the ones that I've been to. It's just like, let's go to the greatest podcast and the history of M.MA. And it's just, it's McCarthy and Thompson talking about a fight on the card. So you can't avoid it. Like, if you're not fans of those guys,

you can't avoid it. It's tough I avoid it by staying in the media room all day That's a great idea Was Amanda Gare on the broadcast? Was she on the desk? Yeah, on the desk She's great

I think she's a great addition She's very good It's really hard to be good With the rest of the things around you Are all bad They had AJ McKeepuging His upcoming rematch against Pitbull But again

It was so, like, and then they just went to the next. Come on. Like, A.J. McKee is by far the biggest star you've ever had. Like, he got like three minutes in that segment, and then the rest of the time, Josh Thompson was still rocking the desk. They got to do something about that.

But how about A.J. McKee wearing his, wearing his title belt when he was cornering J.M. Bates. That was fantastic. Love it. Absolutely love it. Tim, Mr. silver level awareness. Absolutely love it.

We didn't talk too much about this, but I don't think so. Is Liam Neeson want to know is a UFC cornerman? Nope. Is the Dust Commander? Is Commander Brown want to know? Yes, he is. Yes, he is.

I saw your tweet, Mike Heck. I saw your tweet, Dust Commander, 011-1. I said likely O-1. Likely. How do you, bringing him in was great. I thought that was easily the best thing anybody did in the UFC this week.

Like that is actually promotionally relevant and good on you, Joaquin Buckley. How do you not bring that dude back with you to the presser? Like, that is how you build on that. What are you doing? Like, yeah, have the dude in the cage. Get him on the mic with Felder. Do, like, steer all the way into the skin, man.

that's how people are going to care. I don't know. I'm all the way down and fumbled the ball in the one-yard line. I am confident that media on-site, I'm confident when I say this, that they asked for them for sure. Because when I've been to UFC events, like we tried so hard to get Hasbollah

to come to a media oppressor at UFC 267 or whatever. And they were like, we're trying, but they just did it. Same as the Abdul. We tried to get, Abdul was a, we almost got Abdul and then it didn't happen. And then like, like we try. Like if there's celebrities there, we try.

Like we got Gannati Golofkin that one time. Like Tyson Furious was to come one time. There's no way the Death Commander wouldn't have done it though. There's no way the Death Commander would have been like, nah, I'm good. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. Commander.

So I can't speak. His whole vibe is getting the brand out there. How do you turn this down? We got to interview, Trey the Truth in Houston. That was pretty cool. He came to him. media. That's the only one that asked right there.

There's no way. Maybe I'm wrong, but there's no way Halani is not trying to book him for the MMA hour this week. There's no way. He has to be. The conversation you have to be happening. In studio. Oh my God. Dibbs on Dust Commander. Calling it now.

I just love how his face never changes. It's just mean things all the time. That man understands branding and he's got one. And it's awesome. And Joaquin Buckley. Maybe that's why he didn't do the scrum. Doing a good thing.

I would say this. One of my MMA coaches, he does lots of kind of, you know, debunking self-defense videos. So he's done lots of videos kind of making fun of the dust training guy. And he actually met him. And I hate, and I didn't get super good details about it. But kind of like what Laura Sanko said on the broadcast, I was prepared to make fun of them. but then once I talked to him for a few minutes,

I was kind of like, okay, I get it. And my coach was kind of the same way. He's like, all right, you know, I don't know. And Buckley kind of the same thing. It's like, oh, this guy's a joke. But then when I met him, he has a spell. I don't know. I don't know.

So I'm, we're signing a joke. I think a lot of the stuff he's shown is like demonstrably bad and potentially dangerous. but like he doesn't seem like he's grifting he seems like the line is whether you believe it or not he believes it and so i think he's fine he's not like the whatever like akito masters who taff a dude he flies backwards he just like believes the bad stuff and so he's totally fine his heart is pure his content is bad well the thing he the thing what my coach was saying which he was a little confused about he actually says my training isn't for fighters versus other fighters. It's not

it's a different, it's for self-defense. It's for people who kind of don't know how to fight against someone surprising you or something. But it's not mixed-marked. Here's the thing. If someone holds an assault rifle up to your face, you do what the man says.

Don't fight back people. Just don't. End of story. Look, the best way to fight is to run away. No, that is not the best thing. In zigzags. You got to go with zigzags. No, I'm talking about a fight. What kind of Charlie Day nonsense is that?

No, someone holds a shotgun to your head and says, come with me. You go with them. You don't run away, clowns. You say, look over there. And then when they look, you sprint super fast and do somersaults. That's what you do. Family guy style. Let's talk about one of the better post-fight interviews.

How many more awkward wins does Kyle Dyer? He rehearsed that. You know he rehearsed that. And it was still so bad. It was so bad. It was so adorable. Hey, who's talking about it? John Guy is talking about it.

We wouldn't be if that question didn't come up. I think it would have been a lot funnier if you just said, I'd like to call out Tony Ferguson and just left. He didn't fit to thought because he left like a big gap there. It was like, what is he talking about the Dush Knight Got it

Okay Everybody is way fun Tony You lost three in the row And you look bad And your two weight class is smaller Let's go Which post-fite interview

Was it in Bellator or UFC where they asked Who do you want next And the guy went to his coaches Oh That was Mario Batista Oh yeah That was so good

Oh no Oh, was a fire of it, Jesus. It was Jonathan Pierce. He went to Eddie Chah. He actually left the interview for a moment. And all of the fighters on all the fighters on broadcasts were like, why did I think of that? Dominic Cruz loved that.

He thought that was the best thing ever. If you want to get on Dominic Cruz's bad side, ask him who he wants after a win. He absolutely loves getting asked that question. Mixed Molly Whopery. David Sandin is just all over the place. Yeah. What did MMW do?

He dropped a Peoria on video not that long ago. Also, mixed Molly Wopry dropped a video that basically just was a Sean Al-Shottie article and didn't shout him out. So do better M.M.dubs. All right. Let me see what else we got here. Um, hmm. I thought, I thought, that's one. And I know we don't, I know it's like kind of weird to like talk about like traffic on a website and stuff.

But if we're talking about like which event people on our website cared the most about, it was a miles and miles away BKFC. Like not even close. More than UFC? Oh, yeah. Crushed them. Crushed them. What does that mean? I mean, I know you're saying, but what does that mean for the sport?

I mean, I find that amazing. Is it? I think it's incredibly simple. that says Star Driven Sport and Jamal Hill nobody knows to help Jamal Hill is people know who Mike Perry is they know

here for him Mike Perry had a bat yesterday so come on oh yeah Jesus Christ what about I love bringing a bat to a bare knuckle fight I love it

I loved his line I loved his line when Julian Lane said that he didn't have a manager and Mike Perry's like yeah it's because you're dumb goes you're so dumb that your your hair lines are seeding like you got your brain

so bad that your hairlines are seating it was so great you want to hear fun you want to hear fun Mike Perry story with me this is after we squatched the beef he was because he's like oh because we were like kind of talking at like a media event or whatever like off camera and he kept telling me that he wanted to wear Mexican trunks

even though he's not Mexican because his baby mama I don't know if they got married, but at the time, at the time, Baby Mama was, is Mexican. So he's like, I want to represent her country, and my favorite boxer is Roberto Duran. And I'm like, well, he's from Panama. And he goes, huh?

Panama? That's not a real place. I'm like, yeah, it is, man. And Roberto Duran is from Panama. It, like, absolutely baffled him that. Like, he had lived his whole life thinking where Brod Duran was a Mexican. That is incredibly on brand. Yeah.

It's amazing. He's like, oh, well, I also like Cannell. So it holds a Mexican. up and I was like, yeah, okay. Panama, that's not a real place. Well, I called it, I'm like, well, I remember, I was like, well, he's Panamanian. He goes, that's not a real word. I was like, yeah, it is.

He's a Panamanian. Come on. Nope. Not a real word. Oh, my gosh. She would happen to you have three events in one night. I'm just saying, if I wasn't a big of the mega, I would have tuned in for Mike Perry because he just, we had four calls. We got, we got face.

We got face. skull, battle scenes, tribal tats, crosses, tear away skin. Like we got the whole gamut of tattoos in MMA in one fight. Oh, yeah. My friend was over here. She was watching the fight. She had no idea Mike Perry was. And she goes, who is that?

I go, oh, that's the guy from Tiger King. He got out of jail. And she was like, wow. He's got really friendly hair. He got checked. I was like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, what happened here?

Got all the time. He's in the Furn of you. He's going. He's in the BKFC camera. Oh, no, everything got mixed to step. That just on top of a tapology page. Yeah. All right.

Here we go. So I saw. Mehouse mucks. Does it seem like Dana snubbed Jim Miller on the bonus table for calling out the refs late stoppage. Oh, that's an interesting question. I think, I think, so I'm, I actually do specifically want to answer this one. I don't, I think he called the refs out because people were going to complain that Jim Miller,

everyone loves Jim Miller. So I think Dana just like, like honed in on the ref stoppage, but like he, this not, he rarely gives bonuses to longstanding veterans. Like, he just doesn't. Like, look at Alster. Like, I, I remember when Alstor, like, I, I remember when Alstor, Roving left the UFC, I was shocked at how few bonuses he's gone because he's either he's not he's either getting knocked out or knocking fools out and he never got bonuses

because he was such an expensive fighter. So I just think Dana doesn't give bonuses to people that have been around for so long. Like Cowboy got one, I think his last like performance bonus was Alex Hernandez and then he's got a couple fight of the nights against like Tony Ferguson and various other people. But like he doesn't really give a lot of bonuses to people that are. What's up? Cowboys' last win might be Alex Hernandez, so I think he beat Ali Kint after, if I remember correctly.

Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. And that was like a beat down, like a five-round beat down. The problem is if you give these guys who've been around a lot of money, then they're not going to want it anymore because then they have money. And so you can't, you can only, you got to cap them at like six bonuses as it. It gets that That big

Sponsor paycheck too How did Joseo Aldo and Rob Font knock at fight of the night Yeah that was That was a question Was Jose Aldo just obliterated Rob Font And it wasn't a fun fight Because Jose Aldo was God But that was the best fight of the night

So hence it was fights of the night Better than the Cheyenne Bay's fight Well Tough to argue that I guess. That was a weird one. Let's talk about Dachas, though, a little bit. We should Dachas fight next?

I will answer that tomorrow, but what do you guys think? Oh, dude. That middleweight? I wanted to see. He should fight Kevin Holland again, but that's not happening, obviously. Yeah.

Edmund Chabazin. That's fair. I don't hate that fight. I can work with that. You know, if losing to Edmund isn't like, the end of the world for Dawkus and of Dawkins wins that gives him the rub of like actually being a name people know that makes sense yeah you could also just do the uh oh wait no because nasherd i was going to say nasardine but then he's fighting gas well he is nasardy need to be fighting like top 10 people right now

he's fighting gasloom who might be top 10 in the uc's rankings i don't know that man is impervious to being dropped i think uh how about I think Shabazzian should actually fight Pickett. If the UFC wants to rebuild, you need to get Chavez some wins. I still think he's a very marketable, good fighter. But he's like 20s. Chris Curtis is fighting Drichist Duplice at UFC

at UFC 272. He gets the winner. He gets the winner. How about, how about Gerald Mearshire? For Dawkins? Yeah, yeah, don't hit it. Sounds good.

Cool. Dawkins is like outside the top 30 right now, I think, in the MMA landscape, so honestly, Phil Haas. Oh, no, he already fought Phil Haas. Julian Marquez, like, these are the kinds of fights. Yeah. Ooh, I like Marquez.

Give me that one over a mere chart. That's more fun. Um, here we go. Tristan Gordat, what do we say now about John Kavanaugh and Edmund Harb. and many of their fighters they train continued to keep losing. I think Tristan's trying to set us up. I'm never going to tell someone

to leave their coach. I will. Well, I know you. For a long time, I would say that. And then I can't remember what the package was. I think he might have been the Ovencyprew one where he talked about how he just had like a real awful few years of his life.

And like his coach was the only one that stayed with him. So like in that. aspects like I completely understand why OSPEE never wanted to leave his coach because like it's just different than like who's the nose at that point so I don't know the reasoning for sticking with John Kavanaugh at Edmund Tarverdian but yeah I just even uh I mean even Eugene Berman kind of had a rough going outside of Izzy and um you um car Ollberg in their last fight so sometimes you just having an uber talented fighter and then everyone else is just not that level. It just happens.

Look, I know very little about Tverdean as a coach other than that he's objectively not a good head coach. He is maybe okay at some other things. I don't know. Kavanaugh is just, Kavanaugh is a really bad head coach, and that's just it. He's a fine grappling coach.

I think he's done pretty well with his fighters in that regard. Man, K-N-K-N-Kin-K-Lan-Kin-Plan. And that's just like, that's not me as a like it is me as an outsider saying it it's also just objectively true because remember when Connor fought Floyd and they were like we did not know that Floyd

could fight going backwards we didn't know that could happen just like okay how do you not know that like he's never he does he's not good at game planning like he is a grappling based coach and that I think he's pretty good at that actually because Connor is a way better grapple

than people give him credit for but he's not he's not a head coach. So if you want to stick with him, okay, for some parts of it, but you need to go for a broader game plan or you need to be a hyper, hyper athlete, like Conchmer Greger, or you're not going to maximize your tools. I think fighters should leave their coaches all the time. Like, I know there's a lot of personal stuff going into it, like Jose said, but you don't have to leave them because you hate the coach, but this is a result business. And if you aren't getting results, you have a finite window, and you need to find a place that

will get you the best results. And maybe that means you move around for a little bit, but Johnny Walker needs to get the hell out of SBG, like, right now. I don't know that makes a break. I think there's really hard that needs to be really said. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if that changes how his, his trajectory has gone with these last few fights, but that is not the place that's going to fix him. He needs to go for, like, undoubtedly needs to go. Was he a tri-star before SPG for like a hot minute? I thought it was in the UK? We also did a bunch of Russia too.

Like he's bounced around. Plus his like fiancé's front lives in Dublin. So I think that's why he's sticking around. Yeah, I'm sure that that would make sense. It's just that just ain't the team, dude. You're talented dude. Any team will take you. Go find somewhere.

ATT. Screw it. Like, who cares? ATT has a billion coaches. One of them will figure out how to optimize you. Specifically, they have a lot of coaches that can speak Portuguese, too. They also, yeah. Yep.

Jim Miller. Jim Miller's going to be a good-ass coach when he wants to. Just going to work with him. Do anything. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's some very good coaches out there that can hold what Johnny Walker. Also, James Prowse would be a really good fit for him. I think that would be a really good fit for kind of. a lot for Gallagher.

Yeah, I think that he could do a lot with the raw tools that Johnny Walker has. If I was picking a coach, that actually is where I would put him. I would like to see him work with Brandon Gibson a little bit. Just like calm him down a little bit. Just take that chaos and hone it in like the right way. He does such a good job with Aaron Pico, man.

Albuquer can be good for Walker's might be good for Walker because there are a lot of bigger, bigger heavy weights and bigger guys to train with down in Albuquerque. So that's a possibility. Yeah, but yeah, it's definitely just isn't working on your Walker. Fight ready. Yeah, they're good. They're obviously great.

Look at the killers that are in that. I think we've decided that anywhere but SPG. Yeah. You're a professional fighter who has means, don't. Especially for Walker. I mean, just he said, yeah. And last. question. A little bit off topic, but

it's important. Can I hang a 13 pound mirror with screws inside of drywall plugs? If you believe in yourself, sure. You know what? You know what? Winner Learn. Yeah, just put it up there. If it falls

I feel like that would be hard. 13 pounds are heavy. That's not that heavy. That's like that heavy. That's not like that's damage. Yeah, and if it breaks, you're just going to buy another 13 pound mirror. How about you can get with this Walmart target? Yeah, but you've got 70 bad luck. Is this a good reference to something or is this

Kevin Ross character which is asking a bad question? I think you just good information to know. Johnny Walker needs to change camps and you know maybe get a stud finder, you know. I'm going to tricky little implements.

If this is our last question, I'm going to leave with a little tease for on the next one tomorrow. I'm just going to leave it out there. Give me Joaquin Buckley versus Cheety and Chiguani. That's the fight to make. You're welcome world. Cool. that's it that's the one that's the fight and no other fight makes sense i like it man i just want that

caresscoff daily fight now that is such a good callout fighters i like to have a name and have the right name because that was awesome i want to watch that it's got to be and and and daily said he's not what is the co-main event unless it's the co-man right now it's lema and uh who's lemma jackson jason jason Jackson, yeah. Which doesn't need to be on the card. Not that card. Why are you doing that? Yeah.

Do that elsewhere. Fools. Put Paul Daly, Koreshkov on the co-main event and let Douglas Leman fight in, like, California or Florida. You had an event in Florida before. Like, fools, all of you. Yeah, what? I don't understand that at all. Because they're like, oh, someone gets there.

We need backup. Well, guess what? You got a backup in Koreskob. He's fighting Paul Daly. There you go. Yeah. We're just saving Bellator every single show. We're going on to next one.

We're a inch closer. We're trying, man. They ain't listened, but we're trying. Scott Coker, pick up the phone, offer A.J. McKee right now for Bobby Duckles and Johnny Walker. You could do so much with Johnny Walker. Good night, everybody. You're listening to that.

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