MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 50 Post-Fight Show | Did Magomed Ankalaev's Stock Drop With Performance in Main Event Win?
Episode Date: March 13, 2022Magomed Ankalaev picked up his eighth straight victory in the main event of UFC Vegas 50 on Saturday night, but did his overall performance push him further back in the UFC's light heavyweight champio...nship conversation? MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, Jed Meshew, and E. Casey Leydon discuss that topic, along with Song Yadong's statement win over former title challenger Marlon Moraes in the co-main event, what could be next for Alex Pereira and Terrance McKinney, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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I need like two more minutes of drums before we can kick this thing off.
I need a boost, a boost of energy.
I need a jolt.
if you will.
So did that main event.
Following the final 25 minutes of that card.
But in the end,
Magamette Ancolaev picks of his eighth consecutive victory.
He defeats Tiago Santos a tactical performance from Ancalaif.
And he gets the win.
And up to that point,
this card was really, really good.
It lived up to the expectations, but sometimes you got to close out the way you started to keep the flow going and it didn't really happen here.
But we're going to talk about this card anyway because there were some very good moments.
I am Mike Eck.
Jed Beshew is here once again.
And EKZ.
And EKZ.
And E.K.C. Lydance here.
And, uh, Jed, I'm just going to kick it over to you, my man.
we just saw 25 minutes of fighting.
And to quote our good friend Alexander Kaylee,
that was a fight.
It was a fight.
Your thoughts on the fight,
Ankelyleif's victory.
I mean, not the most aesthetically pleasing performance,
but a win is a win.
Like, is that fair to say?
Or are we just, we can't even go in that direction?
I mean, he won.
He won because he's getting the win bonus.
But, man, he blurred the line between winning and total apathy because that fight sucked.
Like, and I blame, frankly, I would be honest, I blame it entirely on him.
I know that it takes two to tango and we can get into why that fight looked the way it did.
And sure, both men played a part to it.
But it's not Tiago Santos's fault that that fight sucked.
It's Magamette Ancolae's fault that that fight sucked.
And I blame him entirely.
and I'm going to keep blaming him,
even though I have, you know, predicted
he's going to be the light heavy rate champion
at the end of the year because, man, what the hell?
Like, you just can't do like that.
We all talked about it.
All in the lead up, it was, this is the fight.
He wins this fight.
He's going to get to fight the winner of Yeree Glover.
That's it.
That's gone, baby.
That's out.
Like, I know he came in saying at the end,
well, I think I don't care.
You Leon Edwards the hell out of yourself
with that nonsense.
Wow.
Wow.
And you got,
dude,
we're live,
we can't take that back.
Oh my goodness.
I don't want to take it back.
I hope someone sees this.
He's like,
yeah,
look,
you,
he's right.
Because if you had just tried to do stuff,
you probably would have won.
And then having done stuff,
been fun enough to be like,
all right,
that's the dude.
There's a reason we were talking about him.
There's a reason he was a minus 800 favor.
or whatever. Instead, we just got that, man.
Like, I don't, again, I'm not a professional fighter and I can't get inside their head.
But it boggles my mind whenever we see stuff like this.
And it happens a lot.
It's not just Magerman Ankylaev, but like, you have everything you've ever wanted on the line.
And that's the performance you put forth.
Like, what the hell, dude?
Yeah.
Yeah, and here's the thing, Casey.
We had two examples of guys who were looking to take that next step on this card.
Like, next level stuff had the opportunity to make a statement.
Yes.
Song Yadong just went after Marlon Mara Rai's because if anyone broke down that fight,
the way that Song Yadong actually fought, people would have been like,
that is a terrible idea.
You get to let Mara Mora Rish just like blow himself out.
Then you go after him.
Song Yadong is like, nope, I'm going to go right in this dude's face and I'm going to knock his block off.
Did not care.
And he did.
Magumannigalep, the exact opposite.
This was not a title shot thing.
And you know what, Casey?
If you're Alexander Rackich and Jan Bolshevich right now,
you're very happy.
Are you not?
Like, you are thrilled because he just went from probably the front of the line
to like third in line, if we're being honest after that performance.
Your thoughts on the fight.
I'll be the mean one.
I'll try to be a good cop here.
You can be a good cop because I'm coming with heat.
If the point of the game is to hit and not get hit, I mean, he didn't get hit as much, so it was a good night for him.
And back to you, Mike.
Good answer.
Good answer.
Family feud, good answer.
Survey says.
Okay, from a pure entertainment standpoint, and we can't lie to ourselves, MMA.
is entertainment.
It needs to be entertainment, too.
Yeah, that fight stunk, entertainment-wise.
From a martial arts perspective, yeah, Ankylov's did what he needed to do,
was get the W and not get injured.
Yeah, he might need a couple of stitches on his shin,
but Tiago Santos is a scary dude, and I don't know.
Yeah, it ain't going to get him a title shot.
No, he's going to, he actually might,
we might move him down in the rankings because of that fight,
just because we want to be jerks.
but it happens and yeah
that's the best good cop I could do
I'm sorry
I mean
I thought the takedowns were going to be there
we're in the small cage like I know he doesn't
they were there
they were there all night
all night they were there
he was back like Tiago Sauss is like
I'm going to take the middle and then I'm just going to stand
with my back against the fence
and I'm just going to walk all the way around
the back of the fence
like he's welcoming you in to take him down
and he waited to the fourth round
to engage in any clinches
it was just such a bizarre performance
like I don't know if there was an injury there
and I don't know
but his answer was
I just wanted to go five rounds
and see what it was like when he was asked
like how he graded his answer was my coaches told me
to do it and I was like no
why
what was the first
The first attempt in a takedown, he took him down so easily, so easily.
Like, you could have, I thought he was going to do that in the first round.
He was going to lay on him for three minutes, just second round is going to be very similar.
And then Tiago's just got to go for broke in the third.
And then Uncle Av was going to knock him out.
Like, that's the way I saw the fight going.
And it just was the complete opposite.
It was like the George Costanza of fights.
Like, this is what I've done my whole life, but I'm going to do the complete opposite.
And that's what happened.
Like, that is what happened.
Not good.
Okay.
Just not good.
A bit of a counter argument, I guess.
How do you beat Ankylaev then?
If you go at him, like Kudalaba did, you get knocked out.
If you kind of wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I guess, I don't know, whatever Santos did tonight, that doesn't work either.
How do you beat the man?
Oh, I think Santos actually fought like really smart.
Okay.
I think he did not.
I agree.
And that's, again, why I'm not blaming Tiago Santos for what happened.
for a number of reasons.
I think he was 60, 70% to the way to approach fighting,
especially after what we just saw.
So not to get too into the weeds.
Basically exactly what happened is the same thing.
The Anderson-Silva used to happen.
We talked about it before we went on air.
Uncle Jav wants to pressure, draw offense onto himself
and then counter while you are backed up and coming at him.
And the couple of times that Santos did, in fact,
just be like, oh, swing.
He got clipped like, clean.
because Anklav is very good at catching that.
But when Santos stopped doing that,
Encliffe did not have any tools beyond continuing to faint
and waiting for Santos to do the dumb thing.
When Santos wouldn't do the dumb thing,
they just were in a staring contest.
We saw that same thing happened with Israel Dissue versus Yol Romero.
Like, that's basically exactly what that fight was.
It was just two guys trying to counter and go about it in different ways.
And I think Santos is right,
because if Enclive is that enormous,
to generating his own offense.
Like, you can take advantage of that.
You either have to make your shots count like Romero did against Adasanya,
if you're some people, me, and scoring that fight.
You either these small periods of offense have to be very effective,
or you have to do what Adasania did against Romero,
which is fill the gaps with stupid offense.
All right, leg kick, leg kick, leg kick, leg kick, leg kick.
not even damaging leg kicks, just tapping him to score points and do that.
Because Yvonne Clive is just not going to do anything, which for big portions of this fight,
he got Santos into the positions he wanted every time without issue and just did nothing.
Like if he's going to not do that, you can take advantage of that very effectively.
Or not, well, not fun, but effectively, I guess.
I want to break it this comment.
I really like this comment.
we too were talking about, you know, did this actually hurt Ankylaif as far as getting a title shot?
And I'm going to bring this one up.
I think it brings a good point.
We said the same thing after Cyril beat Volkov.
Then he came back and fought for the title.
Ankylaif will get touch out of the support.
It's fine.
No, we didn't say that.
We thought Cyril's performance against Volkov was way better than it was the Jarzino one we had an issue with.
And his stock did not rise from that fight.
also want to be clear
he fought
he fought Derek Lewis
for an interim belt
because the UFC wanted to screw over
Francis and Gano
but he didn't like
but he did get a main event
and a pay-per-view I'm just trying to I'm not saying
necessarily he gets a title shot but
maybe the UFC won't
hate this fight as much as we're kind of
despising his fight they're not going to bury him
because he's still one of the five best light heavyweights in the
world but he if he had done
anything good he is
getting the next title fight.
And now it's probably Alexander Rockich.
And like, if Yeree beats Glover, it's the winner of Rackich,
like that's it.
That's a fight.
Yeah.
If Glover beats Yerrere, if Glover beats Yeree, I don't know, or I don't know that
Yon gets in a rematch that quickly, I think that could create a bit of interest.
But that guy, who, that fight has pulled position now.
And Uncle Ives is going to have to take another one.
And that's, again, I'm not even.
saying, I think he should have come and been more offensive with the hands, because he was
touching Tiago up with the body jab, with the teep. Yes, it was, that allowed Santos to come
back with some more counters. But like, if the thing you want to do is hit him after he hits you,
and he's going to swing after you teep him, maybe just teep him a bunch and then you're
going to generate the ball rolling where you want it. I don't know. But mostly, you should
just take him down and beat him up on top. If he had had a grinding decision where he at least
generated offense, we're still going to put him in a title fight.
But he didn't.
He landed like three strikes per minute or something absurdly low for a 25-minute fight.
Like he just, there's no way he can get a title fight off of that now.
And that's entirely on him.
Like he was, he was the author of his fate there.
And he handed a title fight to two other dudes when he had inside track because he,
he wouldn't listen to his coaches and take the dude down.
It boggles my mind.
I'm very upset if you can't tell.
The other point I'll make to that to that comment is that title fight had less to do with Cyril gone and much more to do with Derek Lewis because of where that card was taking place.
So let's put that into perspective as well because if Derek Lewis was coming off of two losses or Derek Lewis like was injured or that card was anywhere else in the country, we wouldn't that fight would not have been headlighting.
and Cyril just happened to be the guy
that was just like next in line
but who we're going to throw in there with Derek Lewis
oh I'll throw Cyril gone in there
it's a win-win for us
either we get Cyril versus Angano
or Derek Lewis gets this big moment in Houston
and we do Derek Lewis versus Angano
so it was more about Derek than it was for being honest
with ourselves and listen he won the fight
he got two paychecks so
frig us who cares what we have to say
but in terms of him getting into a main event
getting into a title fight.
I mean,
do you think the UFC is going to rush him
into a main event
for the light heavyweight title?
I don't think so.
That,
please go, Casey.
Oh,
would they rush him back into another,
say,
another fight night main event?
I think he's still a fight night main eventer.
I'll tell you what,
man.
Probably just because the number,
but I don't know.
Yeah.
Here's just going to,
yeah,
I mean,
I have the perfect fight.
Because when Glover Tashira,
chokes Yuri Perhaska unconscious.
Oh, that's why you hit it.
They were going to do Ankelai
versus Yuri Perashka.
That's the fight.
That's why we'll be awesome
because Yeri is not going to let Ankiyv
stand and stare at him.
So that fight will be bangers.
I mean, I could be totally wrong,
but I'm not backing off with the Glover prediction
that I've been making for like six months now.
I'm just not doing it.
You have a corner.
Stand on it.
I respect it.
We move on.
I just want to say like Mike's right, everybody's right, he won.
He got the W, that's the most important thing.
But you really need to, like if you're a fighter, you need to look at fights as, like, they are not just fights.
They are opportunities to do a number of things.
The core baseline is you want to win because you got to get two paychecks.
That is the most important thing.
But on top of that, you want to build a brand, you want to establish yourself, you want to move up the rankings, you want to build better paycheck.
for you down the line.
You want to build fans.
He did none of thing.
He did Mission A and failed every other mission,
like every single one of them.
And so it is technically a success,
but he had a real opportunity to make himself way more than he is.
And he fumbled the bag, the ball,
whatever you want to call it.
And it sucked to watch.
It was awful.
Yeah.
We'll see what happens with Tiago Santos.
We'll see what happens with the ankle lap.
Again, he might be an interesting spot because when October rolls around,
if they need a fight for the return to Abu Dhabi and the light heavyweight title did,
maybe they just slide him in there from a geographical perspective.
But, I mean, that's probably one of those three daytime ESPN plus paper views.
It'll be like the co-main event.
It'll be the feature about it on like a three title fight card.
Like there's no way that's headlining.
like Islam versus
I mean the lightweight title
will take precedent over that one
and it's undoubtedly going to happen
Maybe Angolaif is just simply
he's a unfortunately he will be a five round fighter
but he's a guy you only need to see for 15 minutes
Maybe that's just it
Maybe it's just those extra 10 minutes
It was just after four after 13 fights
13 very good fights too
And to kind of end it with that
It was just
The fourth round was his best round
It was his best round.
Yeah, I know, I know.
I'm trying to help him out.
Sorry.
He's just not going to adapt himself.
And that's like, that's the frustrating thing.
Because he could have made change and he could have adapted anything he was doing.
It wasn't.
And I think there are a lot.
We could get deep into the weeds on why I think that's strategically horrendous.
Because like, say this all the time.
Playing it safe is actually one of the stupidest and least effective ways that fighters can fight.
because you are by definition
allowing your opposition more time in the fight
by not putting the hammer down on them when you have it.
And so like the safe way to fight Tiago Santos
was not what Oncleyev did.
It was to body lock him, take him down,
and thrash him on top until Santos broke or got tired
or just for 25 minutes
because it's real tough to knock someone out
when you're on when you're on the ground.
It's very difficult.
He didn't do any of that.
And so like it just,
He's not going to adjust.
Just book him against Yeri.
Because Yeri will play the game that he wants to play.
And so that fight will be fun.
But he's in that Anderson Silva thing where if someone wants to fight him smart,
it's probably going to suck to watch.
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Bonus game predictions.
I am predicting four performances, no fight of the night.
I am going to give Song Yidong,
Kaleo Roundtree Jr., Cody Brundage,
and Azamot Mirzakhanov.
Casey.
This is what I would give.
Four performance bonuses,
Brandon Maverick,
Kalil Roundtree,
Song Yidong,
and the very first...
Azamat.
I'm not going to say his last name.
But I'm assuming fight of the night went to Dober McKinney.
That's going to bother the hell out of me.
Yeah, that's what's going to happen.
Dober McKinney, and it's going to be Yadong and Roundtree.
Those are going to be your bonuses.
But we'll see.
We'll see what happens.
Maybe the UFC will be super giving tonight.
Put us all in a better mood after that main event by just giving all the bonuses.
All the bonuses.
Man, they should really just stop giving.
performance bonuses and just do finish bonuses.
It's like a way better way to do this.
It's like a substantially better way to do the things they're trying to achieve.
But how are you going to make record profits if you're just giving out money, man?
Because if all of your fighters are unsupervised to finish people,
you're going to make record money because you're going to have a way better product.
Joe and can I, yeah.
I was like scrap,
scrap win bonuses entirely.
and just finish bonuses.
It's double your paycheck.
Go try and fight somebody.
Don't stare at them for 25 minutes.
Man, imagine that.
Like no win bonuses.
You get a flat rate, win or lose.
But if you get the finish, double.
Double.
Go for it.
Hammer and tongs, baby.
Well, one person that went for it,
like we talked about, was Song Yudong.
Co-mate event.
What a performance.
Just goes right after Marlon
Marais. Big uppercut. I mean, the fight was over. As soon as Marlon hit the mat, it was done.
Huge win for Song Yudong. You have to think as exciting as Marlon Marais is. And even though the
resume and the guys of these lost to at this point, you have to think there's a chance that
Marlon Marais is not long for this UFC world any longer. But we'll see what happens.
But Casey, your thoughts on Song Yenong's performance, because 24 years of age, this kid's only going to
get better and that was a massive performance tonight yeah um every card has one that's just like
just like this just a breakout performance and this is this is his definitive breakout performance
against modern marius tonight um it was a great matchup on paper the the matchup made sense in terms
of these guys career trajectories and um holy crap um a little humble brag on our tapology picks
I went 13 for 14 tonight.
And the only fight I freaking missed was this fight.
I was still on the Marlon Rice hype train.
I still believed in him.
And yeah, Song-Gadong showed up tonight.
And yeah, he's the real deal.
I don't know if he's a top five guy,
but he would definitely be in the top 10 for a while.
And he is super exciting.
And heck, man, congratulations on getting that extra money, man.
you that was freaking awesome and so violent and i'm going to be bummed if martin marius leaves the
ufc or retires apparently because um it'll be kind of crazy that chris mantino will maybe
still get another fight in the ufc but they get rid of you know marion marius but um that's how it goes
you know yeah i mean listen marilyn's got places to go yeah he does yeah i know we know who his
manager is he can go fight for eagle fc make more money fight lesser competition and live a happy
life.
That's all upside, baby.
Yep.
Yes.
So, I mean, it's okay.
We don't need to cry for Marlon, for Mara Maris here.
We just don't because he's got opportunities.
He's an exciting guy.
Go ahead.
How do you guys think Henry Suhudo will butcher his name?
Because I feel like you should be able to pronounce Marlon Maris, but it is Henry
Therudo.
It'll be amazing.
That Keen-Pillskit with the substitute teacher and he keeps mispronouncing everyone's name.
Hey, Aaron.
I don't know what the thing, A-A-A-A-A-Ron.
Yeah, that's a hoot.
He's a, that's a, that's a hootoo in M-M-A.
I heard, honestly, I hope he leads into the bit.
He should.
Marlon Morass.
Uh-huh.
It's definitely more ass, for sure.
Morass.
To go, to go, to go back to Song-e-dong, Jed.
What did you think of his...
Like, where is his ceiling now?
Because I think we're all very intrigued.
We all thought there's a lot of potential there.
But after this performance,
did that exceed even your expectations to this point in his career?
No, that was...
I missed on a number of fights this week.
That was one that I felt real good about the whole time.
We talked about it in the pre-show.
He looked...
He was even more aggressive than I anticipated him being.
He looked like he was trying to make a statement
which is theoretically the most dangerous way to fight Marlon Maras,
but it wasn't because he knocked him out immediately.
And so there was no opportunity from Maraeris to stage a comeback.
Because he didn't play with his food.
He got stuff done.
I think his ceiling is champion.
I'm not saying he's going to be champion,
but he is 24 years old.
And I think he is one of the six or seven best band of weights in the world already.
I'd pick him to beat most guys outside of the top five
and, you know, be competitive against a lot of the top five guys, too.
Like, I would ultimately take Cody Garbrand to beat him, or not Cody Garbrandt.
T.J. Dillishaw, sorry, I just had a brain fart there.
He would kill Cody Garbrandt.
But I would take T.J. Dillershaw to beat him, but I think that's probably a competitive fight,
certainly for stretches of it.
And in a couple of years, Dillishaw,
A little more tread off the tires.
Song Yandong is still well short of his prime.
Like he is 24.
So I think he is, I will stake that he is absolutely going to compete for a title.
Whether he wins will just kind of depend on what the, how much he can advance,
kind of what his overall athletic ceiling is.
But I think he's going to be a top five guy for a while.
And dude's a hitter.
I'm really excited to watch him continue to grow.
We have bonuses.
We do a fight in line,
2.
Kaleel Roundtree.
Okay.
Song Yidong.
Okay.
Azumat
Mirzikanov.
I think we're, I think both Casey and I are three for three here.
And fourth one?
Cody Brundage.
God.
Yeah.
Four for four, baby.
Let's go.
Do you usually hate submissions.
They hate submissions.
They do.
They hate submissions.
They hate submissions.
Oh, you did?
Up to gullige.
He jumped in
He jumped in Dilley.
He did the Dustin
Porregelly jump.
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
He was getting
battered.
He was getting beat up.
You're rewarding a guy getting beaten up.
Branden Maverick took...
I'm still mad.
Congratulations, fighters.
Congratulations, though.
Miranda Maverick's overall
performance was better,
but Brundage was more cinematic.
Pazazazaz, yeah.
Yeah.
You lost style points.
because he got punished aggressively.
Yeah, Miranda Maverick, she's like, oh, I go to school, I read books, I'm getting a PhD,
I'm not going to get hit in the head, I'm going to actually win a fight, you know, not get touched.
That's not how you make money to the sports.
She wants to be a doctor?
No, they watched, they watched AK on the preview show just demean her.
No, he didn't demean her.
I'm just joking.
He was like, you know, she wants to do other things.
Maybe she's not into this martial arts thing.
And, yeah.
So good win for Song Yidong.
We'll see what happens with Maramorais.
At this point, I kind of want Eagle FC, if we're being honest.
I think you can be much happy over there.
I think you can't find much more success over there.
So Diuk Yusuf, good win over Alex Casares,
Killeel Routree, we mentioned.
Fantastic.
One of the best post-fight speeches.
One of the best post-fight speeches?
One of the best post-fight speeches?
Yeah, it was incredible.
That was amazing.
Drew Dover, Terence McKinney was ridiculous.
Alex Pereira, Bruno Silva.
great fight.
Alex Pereira gets the win.
Go ahead, Jed.
I'm going to talk about that?
I just want to say, Casey, who was better post-fight?
Khalil Roundtree or Javi Bashrod?
Ooh, good one, good one.
They were both very worthy.
They were both very worthy.
I enjoyed roundtrees just because the, just the craziest thing you might be for.
Yeah, a lot of emotion.
Yeah.
But that was the round tree that I was kind of hoping for.
in our Q&A is like if like when he's on and he has that just like I don't know that's just
crazy rage you know it's in him sometimes he is that he is so scary like I kind of tweeted
like when that when he did that bought it's like going back to the roundtree fight sorry when he
did that body shot that he kicked him uh he kicked him roberson in the body like I was on
my couch and I winced like I had like pains that that's how scary that that that's how scary that
knockout was or just his viciousness so um man yeah when he's mean man he's good yeah sometimes
isn't mean yeah the lower his his fighting stances the meaner he is like when he's up there and he's
standing like kind of in an orthodox sort of pickboxing stance you're just like oh oh it's not gonna be
that great but when he like when those knees bend a little bit and he's crouching down he looks like
he's seven inches shorter than his opponent.
You know violence is about to ensue.
And he did not let us down.
And that image of Robertson is still on the ground,
cowering up and Herbding pulling Roundtree off.
And Roundtree is just looking at him like, how dare you?
Like, how dare you?
Oh, man, that was just, this sport as well.
It's still shocking.
They seem string things together.
Yeah.
Like after all these years, some of the violence that we see in there still
shocks me. It's just, it's wild.
Man, I think I'm going to make my first on to the next one,
submission for you, Mike. I'm excited.
Okay. Because I,
because Roundtree has decided he's going to just beat the breaks off K1 guys.
Because he somehow knocked out Gokensaki and Carl Roberson, like,
fought a couple times in K1.
Who's a homie who fought the other weekend who went to K1.
Some come on white guy opening fight the card
He won't you want
Yeah
I don't know give me I'm blanking on the name
I'll have it in just one second
Dustin Jacoby
Oh
On glory yeah yeah
The glory fire yeah
Glory okay one same same
Oh yeah
That's my on to the next one submission
The round trade
Did Jacoby just win or did he lose his last fight? I can't remember
No he won
He's ranked now in the UFC ranking
things.
Cleo Roundtree,
Dustin Jacoby.
That's my on to the next one
submission, Mike.
Why not?
I want my audio points.
It's a damn good fight.
What else?
We'll go to the peeps in a minute
because I'm sure they're going to touch
on all the other stuff we'd want to talk about.
Matthew Semlesburg, good win,
JJ Aldrich, nice win.
Congratulations to Javid, Basharat.
Damon Jackson, looking tremendous.
Damon, don't call me Martin Jackson.
Miranda Maverick.
Good bounce back.
Cody Brundage gets a bonus.
Guido Canetti.
I think,
Chris Boutinho. I don't know. We might not see him again. We'll see. We'll see. And then Asmat, Mirza Kanoff, great start to the card, set the tone with that flying knee after looking not as good as we kind of thought he might. But, man, he finished strong in that third round. So we had fun card.
We have really big comeback wins in this fight, like this card. So Merzikanoff, he was losing that fight.
Brundage was losing that fight. And Drew Dover was losing.
in that fight.
There's three really nice comebacks.
Actually, it's good card.
I thought Damon Jackson lost the first round, too.
So, yeah.
I mean, not the same amount of domination.
Yeah, not the same level, but yeah.
Did A.J. Fletcher win the first round, too?
I think AJ Fletcher was in the first round.
Yeah.
There you go.
It's a fun card.
I mean, it was a good card.
It was.
It was really good.
It was a good 13-fight card.
And then it was the main event.
How much more would we?
like this card if the main event was song y dong mull and marais
which it could have been way it'd be way
which it could have been like that's we've had worse main events
this year than that like i think we'd all be like this was one of the best
fighting that cards in a really long time it's great yeah i liked it
it was a good card on paper and i think it showed up i think it was a good card and
actually whatever and phil davis won again by the way jenn in case you were wondering
I thought that he was winning handily, and that doesn't surprise me.
3027s across the board.
Best light heavyweight in the night.
He might, he very much, he's very well might be.
His performance is certainly true.
All right, let's go to the peeps, see what they're thinking.
All right, do the peeps.
This is Bellator main event supposed to kick off.
Here we go.
I guess I'll forget them.
Ephraim Gonzalez.
Let me refix this real quick.
Sorry about it.
Can you read it still?
Yeah.
Why is everybody arguing on behalf of the promoter here, though?
Ankleife is still a problem, and we are fight fans at the end of the day.
His presence as a contender at 205 is still interesting.
I don't know if I understand the first part of this question.
Why are we arguing on behalf of the promoter?
I think of the entertainment factor.
I think as a promoter you really just are focused on the entertainment of it.
it's what they're talking about.
Sure.
But I don't think any of us have been arguing on behalf of the promoter.
I'm arguing on behalf of the fans, my eyeballs, the fighters themselves,
who are much benefited by not having performances like that.
I think we covered it pretty cleanly.
He did the thing he needed to do.
He did win.
He did not go about it in the most efficient way for being honest.
I don't think he went about it in the safest way
and he definitely didn't go about it in a way that
maybe him grounding Santos for five rounds
isn't like that fun
but it's at least like
much more dominant and gets him to a title fight
which is frankly what I'm arguing for
I want him to win the title
because me and me and Sean have a bet on it
so I would be behooved if he wins the title
I want him to do better
and he did not do great for whatever reason that is.
And I think his own coaches would tell you that based on him saying,
my coaches told me I should keep wrestling him.
And I was just like, nah.
There's a total of 138 significant strikes landed in that entire fight, by the way.
I saw some people with this Santiago take, not from you like other people on Twitter.
Look, if you enjoyed it, Santiago and others, cool.
very happy for you to
different strokes for different folks
I am here to tell you
point blank a majority of people
would not look at that as interesting
or entertaining
it was not out of 10 people
like it's if you liked it
I'm not trying to yuck your young man
live your life that's cool but
me and more people who watch fights
than don't will say that that
was not good
I sense
Felder was having trouble finding the words to
to sell this fight.
He was trying his best about
and not just, yeah, he was trying his best.
You could only go to the well on the well.
These guys are both big men who hit hard,
so you've got to be careful.
Like, you can't say that.
It's honestly, like, I am actually surprised
by how many strikes they landed
because I was doing play-by-play for the site.
There were legitimately minutes of the fight
where I would just text,
like, type, nothing of consequence happened
for the two minutes because it just it did it nothing of consequence happened i think here's the i think
here's the issue maybe it may be expectations were a little high frank alive and here's a thing
he's been waiting for an opportunity like this for like two years we've been waiting for him to
get this opportunity we all saw this in him and he gets it he gets his opportunity he gets to headline this
loaded card that everyone's going to watch coming off of the pay-per-view.
I mean, this is where he wants to be.
Like, this is the car you want a headline coming off of an event that everyone's still
talking about.
And then you come out with a performance like that.
Like, he wins and good on him.
Like, you go out there, you got to get that second paycheck.
That's the pay structure.
But you have an opportunity to jump the line here.
Like, everyone was saying, you go out there and you have an impressed force.
You're jumping Yombovich.
You're jumping Alexander Rackage.
you're jumping into a title fight.
Like you go out there and just have some sort of an impressive victory that people are going to be talking about.
You create some buzz on Twitter.
Let me give you an example of how people reacted to this, okay?
You see the fighters, you see the fighters tweeting, okay, all night long throughout the card, okay?
My job tonight, outside of doing this show and the other shows, was to do a Twitter reacts column.
Like how does Twitter react to the fight?
You know how many fighters tweeted about the result of this fight?
Zero.
Zero.
Not one tweet.
Not one tweet.
I mean, maybe there has been since,
but 10 minutes after the fight,
not one fighter reaction to the fight.
None.
The fight was so...
None. Don't look at the Terrence McKinney fight.
Go look at the Terrence McKinney fight.
dozens.
Go look at the
Song-e-Dong fight.
Dozens.
I mean,
I had to like,
pick and shot some.
Phil Davis has some.
Phil Davis has some.
Phil Davis has some.
I mean,
that's the thing.
That's the thing.
Like,
that's not going to get you a title shot
when no one's talking about the performance.
Even if it was a bad,
even if it was a bad,
boring performance.
Even if it's boring,
you're still talking about
that fight was boring.
It was just nothing.
If Angle-
Life took him down.
If Ang,
the life took him down like 14 times
and like just landed a couple of strikes
like I would still say give this man
a title shot but he's just
so hesitant all night like I get like
I get it we're not fighters and I know
some of you are there's oh
I'm sure you good look at these guys never been in the cage
even though case is about to fight in a week so
he speaks for all of us
damn it but I mean
I've been in a lot of fights I've had my ass beat all the time
not like this is sports
this is sports we're a lot like
this is
sports. If a pitcher goes out there and gives up 14 runs, we're going to say he sucked.
Like, it just happens, you know? I mean, sometimes a pitcher goes out gives up eight runs over
six innings and gets a win. Doesn't mean it's a good win. We're not commenting on uncle I have
the person who, by the way, a lot of ties to Hamzan Kotorov. So, you know, put that away
wherever you want to deal with it. But I said at the beginning of the program offhandedly,
but it's honestly like super true. And everything Mike said drives home the point.
I was Leon Edwards effort.
Like, look at, look at, seriously, look at what Leon Edwards has gone through.
Leon Edwards has been chasing a title shot for three years.
And whether you want to believe that that is circumstance or other people's fault,
at a core fundamental level, he bears a large part of the responsibility because he has never capitalized on any opportunity and never made people care about him.
and Uncle Ive is a real risk of being that way
because he's five or six in the UFC's rankings.
We already talked about Jan Blovich
and dude fighting that they're going to jump him.
You think Anthony Smith, who is charismatic and can talk,
is going to just let this dude jump in?
I'm like, you're going to give that guy after that rancid performance.
That's an excellent point.
That's an excellent name.
Everybody in front of him and people behind him
who speak English and can promote themselves better.
have a window now.
Like, it's just, again, if you liked it,
I'm happy for you to like it.
I'm not here to yuck your young, man.
But the reality of the situation is he blew a big chance,
a big opportunity.
He did the baseline thing that he needed to do,
and he did not go one step beyond the bare minimum.
And we're not going to celebrate him doing the bare minimum of success
or pretend that it was good.
At least I'm not.
Guess it.
I mean, you know what other 205 got an opportunity and made the most of it?
Jamal Hill.
He went in there in a main event, blew the doors off of his opponent.
I mean, his stocks is higher than Anky Lives right now, too.
Like, it just is.
Like, Ankylives got the winning streak.
But right now, like, who would you rather watch fight?
Jamal Hill or Magam at Ankelaev?
Most people are going to say Jamalil.
And Santiago, let me just say this.
The fight may have been entertaining to you.
but if someone walked up to you and said,
hey, what did you think of that UFC card?
I've never watched it before.
And they said, show me the best fight of the night.
I guarantee you that'd be like your 10th choice.
You would have showed,
you'd show Drew Dover, Terrence, McKinney.
You'd show nine other fights before you show that one.
I'm sorry, I would.
If you'd say otherwise, I don't believe you.
I just don't believe you.
I think the only fight that I could argue that I would show,
that I would show that before is maybe,
Maybe.
The J.J. J.J. Aldrich, Gillian Robertson,
because at least they're big dudes and, like, casual fans are more intrinsically, like, interested in that.
But, I mean, Gillian Robertson, JJ, Overs is a much better fight.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a much more entertaining fight.
Okay.
We would show Cody Brundage's performance before we'd show them in.
We'd show Damon Jackson sports.
We'd show, we'd show Javid Basharat and Trevin Jones thrown hands at each other.
We would show Matthew Semlesburger and A.J. Fletcher getting after.
We'd show Paheda and Bruno Silva.
We'd show Drew Dober, Terrence McKinney.
We'd show the violence of Khalil Roundtree.
We'd show Sudik Yus of Alex Kassaris having a technical fun battle.
We would show Song Yidong, knock it on Mario Morayas.
And then if we had time, we would show you 25 minutes of late heavyweight fights.
It's also 25 minutes.
It's a half hour.
That's so long.
That's a lot.
It's a lot.
Okay.
But of all this talk about the fight was entertaining,
is Ankylaev still as good as you think he is?
I do.
Yeah, that's kind of the problem, though.
That's kind of the problem.
Yeah, even though it was like,
oh, 25 minutes ago, I wish I had that time back.
He's still just as good as we thought he was.
And that's, like, that's, there's nothing.
That's frustrating.
Yeah, there's nothing we saw tonight.
We go like, oh, that was a bad 25 minutes.
And I think he's not as good as I thought he was.
He's still, I don't think he's better than we thought he was.
Maybe he is.
I don't know.
But, like, he's talking about.
You're talking about Jamal Hill.
Would you pick Jamal Hill to beat Anky-Lyaf?
No.
Yeah, and I guess that's the thing.
For Anki-Lyaf, I'm, like I say, I'm being good cop right now.
In the sense, he's still got the win.
He's still, we still think, we're not moving him back in the rankings.
We still think he's a future title contender, a future, you know, title holder.
You know, so it's just, it's interesting.
That's all.
Yeah.
I mean, I get it.
I understand.
And it's just, I actually think that he may not be as good as I thought he was just because I, you have to be able to adapt.
Like, Anderson Silva is like really the only person who has ever able to, for his entire career, just to be a counterstriker and be like, everyone either played his game or he still managed to win because he was maybe the best fighter we've ever seen.
and I don't think Engelai has that.
But like, look, it's just you're, you are lowering your opportunities for success.
And that's very annoying.
Oh, man.
I just, yeah.
I saw it.
I just got updates on the awesome Bellator Main event right now, which I'm not watching,
because I'm talking about a boring fight that happened half an hour ago instead.
I've been telling all, you all, y'all, I've been telling everybody, Borch B'anelle is the best fight of the weekend.
I knew it.
It's the best way to bed event.
Yeah, it was the best thing to bed.
I'm, dude, I'm on that drain.
Don't worry.
I'm on that, Drain.
It's just one of those things that it's like,
it's on the Bellator card and like nobody knows,
like outside of like hardcore fans know who those guys are,
but those who know who those guys are
know that it was going to be a great fight.
Dang.
Oh, man.
That's a good clip I'm looking at.
Ah, all right.
Stop it.
I want to watch a fight.
Let's get done up this so I can watch other MMA.
Oh, real quick.
A couple people asked,
yes, this is a,
a shining shirt.
Oh.
That's that.
There you go.
That's a cool shirt.
Thank you.
I bought it for myself for a post-Christmas cell,
and this is the first time I got to wear it.
Okay, we've talked almost nothing about this gentleman, so let's get into it.
Was Alex Bahra winning tonight an upset?
He entered today four and one in this career, Bruder Silva, 22, and 6.
Not from a betting perspective.
It wasn't an upset.
And not even from like a, not even from like a fan in like a,
a placement perspective either because like I tweeted out earlier tonight,
Bruno Silva, I mean, no one was talking about Burna Silva.
Everyone, he was just the next victim in everybody's eyes.
Alex was going to go out there and steamroll them and put him out to pasture.
And I was shocked by that.
But I was actually really impressed with Alex for here tonight.
Like he could have gone out there delivered a two minute knockout,
but the fact that he went three rounds, the fact that he overcame some adversity,
he had to do some different things.
He had a battle.
He had to do some take down defense.
But was it the prettiest fight of all time?
No.
But did he go out there and do the damn thing against a tough season guy?
Yeah.
I wasn't shabby at all.
Are you saying that A.K. Lee's dream of Alex Bahia versus Israel-Dissania next?
Is that alive?
Is that alive, Mike?
No, it's not alive.
Yeah, okay.
There you go.
But I'm so mad.
AK is doing Bellator not on this show.
Because I wanted to spend 20 minutes just being like, AK, you sweet summer child.
But Jed, would you throw him into a matchup with the top 10 guy right now?
Would you throw him in there with Sean Strickland?
I would throw him in there with Derek Brunson tomorrow and have, like, spoiler alert, that's my on to the next one pick.
I'm throwing Alex where in there with Derek Brunson right now.
Sink or swim time.
Derek Brunson has got one fight left on in his deal.
He said he's going to be retired after this.
Either you get a huge win and go out on top against a guy and halts a momentum,
or you get bolted and you catapult this dude into a title fight with Israel Adasania.
So, I mean, that's how I would do it.
Do you think the UFC will do that?
Like, do you think maybe they're probably not going to throw them in there and give him the AK treatment,
throw them right into a title fight, but they're going to try to fast track this guy.
And they should.
They should.
Casey, you go.
I want to hear more from you, Casey.
Yes.
I, AK is ridiculous, first of all.
He's just ridiculous.
That was just a ridiculous take.
But he's clearly a good MMA middleweight, but he's super excited.
He's great for TV.
He looks mean.
Like his hook, his left hook, like, I don't know if I saw Jed say this, we're talking,
but like everything's just so effortless.
I don't know how he does it, how he generates.
so much scary power with so seemingly low effort.
But he's just,
he's incredibly fun to watch.
And, yeah, I personally, I want,
I'd rather see him versus Strickland.
I think he should get a top 10 fighter.
I don't know if a guy like Strickland would take that fight,
but I would love to see that fight.
And I think it's a favorable matchup for Mr. Pereira.
But your, your, your, your, your, uh,
suggesting about Mr. Brunson, I think is actually,
that we'll find out much more about,
Alex Pereira if he can beat Derek Brunson.
And it makes sense career-wise and contract-wise.
So, yeah, there's nothing I saw tonight.
I go, oh, man, Izzy's scared, you know.
Axperer is good.
He's a scary dude, obviously, in there.
But I want to see more.
And with the age and everything, I think he has to, I think he has to be fast-tracked.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think Brunson's perfect.
I honestly did not, don't feel great about, I thought he did a lot of things that are constructive to a successful M.A career tonight.
I left that thinking, oh, he's going to really struggle against some of the guys at the top of this division if he ever else to face him.
I'm like, because even like in kickboxing is much more an aggressive guy who wants to be leading the offense.
his power does really impress the hell out of me
because he has to have like super dense bones or something
because he barely he barely like swings
and it's thudding power
it's not like ooh precisely clear
it's just like the whole body is shifting of Bruno Silva
was a thick dude and so like it is
that was the thing that was the most impressive to me
is just like how much he could move Silva's body
by what appeared to just be lightly tapping
him. And that's some stuff that you just can't really teach. So that's great. But I really didn't. He's
not that great, or at least he wasn't that great tonight defensively. And Silva didn't have,
Silo was pretty limited in like what he can do offensively. Like he is very effective with what
he can, but there's not a huge diversity there. And he didn't have that many tools to get the
road going. But he was still having success kind of by just doing a high-gall.
and saying, I don't really care and just coming forward and putting hands on.
Like, he did a lot of high blocking and just was willing to eat shots.
And so, like, I'm pretty sure you can't physically hurt Marvin Vittori with a baseball bat.
So, like, if he fought Marvin Vittori the same way he fought tonight, Vittori's just going to walk through him and do rough and tumble Vittori things to him.
So, like, I think Brunson is, I think he nailed it.
it's perfect. Brunson is hitable.
Brunson tires out.
Brunson also has a clear path to victory.
I was not all that encouraged by the wrestling of Bahia.
I mean, he got up and that was fine.
But also those were the first takedowns, Bruno Silva's shot and like maybe his entire
MMA career.
And they succeeded.
So that's also maybe not a great sign.
I think there's, there was good and bad.
But I think you've got to fast track him because of the age,
because I don't like his chances to, like, climb up the ladder.
So I think Brunson's perfect.
He can win that.
And if he wins it, title shot, let's go.
Yeah.
Makes sense, yeah.
I would like to see the Strickland bikes.
I think it would be just fun to see.
And I definitely be fun.
That would be more fun than the Brunson fight.
Yeah.
I think the Brunson fight either goes one way, the other pretty fast.
The Strickland fight is going to be kind of wild.
Yeah.
The only fun part of the Brunson fight is to see if Brunson can hang on.
because I'm real confident he'll get takedowns in round one.
It's just how long he can keep sitting on him or if he can get a finish.
Because otherwise it's just, but yeah, the Strickland fight is way more fun.
I take the Behavai, too, because he can clearly see a path to victory,
and that's a big marquee win to end his career on, Mike.
I think he'd take it.
I think both sides take it.
It's a win-win.
You've done it.
You've done it, Mike.
Great work.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, sorry I had to
Future Otno point coming
Yeah
Man it sounds like we're missing a very good fight right now
I know I'm a little bit
I'm kind of I'm like
Alright, try and wrap it up guys
It's like we're just a very good fight right now
Oh wrong screen
Wrong screen
Let's talk about what's next for this gentleman
Do you think this is the last main event for Santos?
Yeah
Very likely
So I wouldn't say
for certain.
People still seem to think he's a fun fighter,
even though he's not.
It's been a while.
It's not.
And like that's, again,
I don't blame tonight on him,
but I said in the pre-show,
he has not been fun since John Jones.
And whether it's just because he blew out both his knees,
that's like a totally reasonable answer to me.
He's 38, he's married and happy.
Like, I don't know the reason,
but he used to be fun,
and he has not been fun in like four years.
Yeah.
His last fights are John Jones, which was not a fun fight.
Glover Tashira, which he mostly just got sat on,
though he was relatively fun at the very beginning of that
before Glover just started doing Glover things.
Rockich was an awful fight.
Johnny Walker was an awful fight.
This fight was an awful fight.
There's a through line.
That's all I'm saying.
It's Diago Santos.
Does Santos roundtree makes sense?
Or is that too far up the ladder forward?
clue
I'd watch that fight
I'd watch it probably is too far
because I don't
Cluel's not ranked and yeah
Santos Santos is only going to drop to like
eight in the UFC's rankings
okay
because I think he's like five
so he's yeah he's gonna drop to like
he'll still be a top 10 that's a
that's a ball
life was six so they probably just got his flip flop
oh if they were five and six
then they probably will just flip flop
yeah but maybe Santos just
Maybe Santos just needs that proper dance partner.
That's all.
I think that I think similarly that would help him, you know.
Yeah.
I think more as a dance partner thing, more than a ranking thing.
Anthony Smith, do that again.
They had a good fight when they fought.
They fought 85, right?
Or was that 205?
Yeah, it was 85.
Yeah.
Does Anthony Smith have a fight right now?
Am I forgetting?
No idea.
No, I like him.
I mean, if they did that, I think,
I feel like that fight should have.
Two years ago.
Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one.
Jamal Hill would be good for Anthony Smith.
I mean, there's lots of options.
Lots of fun options.
Jamal Hill talked Tiago Santos is,
because Jamal Hill probably will come at him and make a fight.
That's actually, that actually might be the fight.
I think that might be it.
I think there's exciting fights for Santos still.
I just don't think we'll see him in a five-rounder for a while.
Probably not, though.
I don't know, man.
I mean, there's a lot of fight nights.
There's a lot of fight nights.
And he has a big hammer.
It looks really tough.
He's got to post them.
They got to get 46 of them.
Yeah.
I thought tonight was going to be a breakout performance for this gentleman.
But it kind of was, but in a different way.
Who should be Kenny fight next after a short notice loss?
I saw somebody say reward.
Oh, yeah.
That's the tweet from a media member.
reward him with a fight with Jim Miller because he stepped in on short notice.
And I like this individual, but that is just a silly idea and a silly tweet because why would you do that?
Because Jim Miller would have a really good, I mean, I love, I like, Terrence McKinney is a super exciting guy and he will be a super exciting guy every time he fights.
But I picked Drew Dober to win for the exact reason that we saw tonight.
Drew is tough and he's super durable.
And if Terrence, if he,
if he,
if he,
Terrence fight somebody and they can survive that early flurry,
then they will win the fight.
Like that's what happens most of the time.
Like if he goes in there,
stands and trades.
And that was like my thing.
I was like,
what Terrence McKinney are we going to see?
We're going to see a Terrence McKinney who feels like he's got nothing to lose.
He's going to go in there and just throw bombs of Drew Dover.
That's not a good recipe.
Or is he going to be tactical and just take him down 15 times?
Because if he does that,
he'll win the fight.
But the Jim Miller ideas, yeah, he could have.
Absolutely could have.
The Jim Miller idea, I can't, I don't like it all for the same reasons.
Jim, Jim Miller, yeah, he's been finished, but he's still pretty durable.
And if he survives that early onsla, he's going to tap Terrence McKinney in the second round.
And that's just not good for Terrence McKinney because now you're just, now he's got two losses in a row.
And now you slow the guy down.
What you do with Terrence McKinney, Jed, and let's see if you agree with this or not, is you throw him in there with
another exciting but less technical guy. You let them have a scrap and you let Terrence McKinney
get over, man. Like, I don't have a name in particular. I have a name. I have to look.
All right. Give me the name. This gentleman and Mr. McKinney have had several exchanges on Twitter
about potentially fighting each other and then not. And then there was like a miscommunication.
And they're all good. They smoothed it all over. But they both admitted to like, yeah, we're probably
going to face each other somewhere.
And he happens to be fighting next weekend.
And I think he's actually not like that great of a lightweight.
Well, people like the hell out of Patty Pimblet.
And when he beats Sergio Vargas, I would watch the hell out of that fight.
And I think it's a good one.
I think he beats the crap out of Patty Pimlet.
I think he probably does.
But, you know.
I want to see it, though.
I want to see it.
I'm interested in watching that fight.
And that feels, I am not.
on the we can build Patty Pimbley into a star
because I just frankly do not think he is too technically deficient
to make like a good run at this division
so Terrence McKinney I think has a lot more promise in that regard
so match those two up it'll be a fun fight like
I think Alexander Hernandez would be a good fight
that'd be like a pretty good name
um still feels like maybe a bridge too far
Scott Holtzman would be fun
well
Hots off
I mean they're just gonna go in there
and yeah they're just gonna go in there
and just have a hockey fight until somebody falls down
like that might be the actual choice
I wouldn't be bad
the reality is I'll take anybody
it doesn't matter because if you pick two names
out of a habit lightweight it's gonna be a banger
it just doesn't matter
and Atta Moikano
on that note though
I just I just want to
say shouts to Drew Dober because while
Cleo Roundtree and Javid Basharot had
the heartwarming best post fights,
Drew Dober came with the name all in on the Bobby Green fight.
Love that call out.
There's a great call out. That's a great fight.
We might as well go ahead and book that for three months from now.
That's a plus effort by a man with a really brilliant chin.
like just the profile you can't that's Terrence McKinney that was always screwed up he tried to knock out that guy
with that chin come on it was just so cool seeing him up there because he had the chin he was
busted up in the face he had like bruises all over his chest his arms like you could I mean he was
whelted up from that beating that Terrence McKinney gave him and he just fought right through it man
that was good stuff I know this is a bit of a hot take but I thought
when McKinney threw his hat in
to fight Islam Mahachev last week
was it last week or two weeks ago
whatever? Yeah something like that
two weeks ago two weeks ago
I thought
I think I think McKinney would have had a better
shot of beating Mahachev than Bobby
Green did you are
well it's a hot
take because it's obviously an insane
take and I respect you for it
it's less of a hot take because
as I mentioned after that fight
it's not like we would have done substantially worse against Islam.
Bobby Green did.
Like, it's very hard for anybody to have done worse,
which is not a,
not casting aspersers on Bobby Green.
But people were excited about Bobby Green Islam.
Remember the hype that was going on?
People were like, whoa, it's going to happen.
That big upset is going to happen.
That's a testament to Islam, not a disparation of Bobby Green.
Okay.
It's the same as a night.
knife, like a knife cutting through tissue paper versus a knife cutting through, I don't know,
a sterner type of paper.
It was a bad analogy.
Tissue paper versus like a brown paper towel, I guess, yeah.
Yeah.
All I'm saying is, it's not like Bobby Green showed out against Islam.
So McKinney couldn't have done much worse.
Yeah, Terrence, I mean, Terrence would have approached the exact same way as he approached
tonight's fight.
He just would have gone in there and swung his ass off.
Which I think it would have been interesting.
It would have been interesting because Bobby Green didn't do that.
You know, he didn't.
But as soon as Islam got a hold of him, like the fight's over.
That's what about it.
I wrote about that for the site.
It was like he has two choices.
He can try and win a long fight.
Here's how he could do it.
He won't win.
But sure.
Or he could just go for broke for two minutes.
And if he gets and he got it.
And if he doesn't, he's done.
But, you know, there's value.
in that effort.
I don't think
he should have done it
because he easily
took Dober down
when they randomly
were like connected
it wasn't even a take
it was like
oh Drew's here
now he's on the ground
like he could have
just done that for 15 minutes
and won
and my bet would have cashed
I'd be happier
but he went
to the fun thing
so I can't be mad
he did a very fun thing
are we just as high
on McKinney
as a fighter coming into this
regardless of the outcome
I can be
I'm just high on him.
Now is, I mean, I'm just as high.
He didn't lose anything.
Yeah, me too.
Me too.
I feel that way too.
Actually, even if you, even if you were to defeat a Dober, like one more shot, I'll still have
kind of McKinney exactly where I have him in my mind.
You know, he's like, he's still the same fighter.
I feel like.
I think he's just a really fun action fighter.
Like, I think that's going to be it.
That's a lot of people have had a lot of really successful careers with that.
I think of like, like, different versions of like, say, like a Landauvinata type of
fighter just like you just know it's going to be crazy you'll never fight for a title but you know it's
going to be crazy and those are just fun fights terence wkenny could be like a justing gaichi type of fighter
like gachi like was able to take the chaos and control it at some point like in the latter part of
his career like once he got to the ufc lost a couple fights it just got a little bit older and
realized like i can't take i can't have many more of these kinds of fights i have to like
be a little more assertive
with how I approach things
because I want to like live a healthy life
after fighting
and then he's kind of like controlled the chaos a little bit
but he could wrestle if he wants to like
Terrence McKinney is a very similar guy
like Terran I'm not comparing them right now
but McKinney has a lot of like Geethe-esque qualities to him
with the way that he fights because Gaetchi like
early on in his career just went for broke
like just went out there went for broke
and then
If he didn't get you out of there early
A little bit, a little bit. A little bit, yeah.
Right, he got it now.
But he didn't like when he first, like,
some of it was definitely had some cardio
because he's such a nut.
But eventually like when he's fighting the pouriers
and fighting these other guys.
Oh, okay, you're talking about that.
Like you could see him fade on the stretch.
I was thinking like WSOF days.
Like you're talking about.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
I mean, that's just that, I mean,
that version of Justin Gage is just,
that's not a human being.
That's a real hot.
Great place.
Yeah, one more question.
You just want to watch this fifth round, don't you guys?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ruses out of here.
Real quick.
This is my last time on a show
because I'm not going to be any shows next week
because I have something to worry about.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Before you make the walk, you're going on the post-fight show.
Come on, what are you doing?
I'll call it.
Yes.
So, I don't, if you want to go to the Commerce Casino,
you can buy a ticket, 65 bucks.
Tell me, tell them, give them,
last name so I get 20% of the ticket.
And I don't have the stream link yet, but they said it's streaming and check my social
media.
I'm sure lots of people will share it.
But yeah.
So next Saturday, I'll be fighting between 5.30 p.m. and 7 p.m.
Not sure what time.
Pacific standard time.
So sometime around then.
Mike, are we doing a Twitter spaces?
We should do it.
We should do a Twitter space.
This is horrible.
This is so scary.
Fifth round.
All right.
Fifth round going on.
We had three and a half minutes left.
So I'm going to let you guys go watch the rest of this fight
because this is a main event worth talking about.
Right here.
Mads Bernal, Adam Borge, just getting after it.
I mean, this is just ridiculous.
I've turned out for 15 seconds.
It's already better than the UFC main event.
It was a good night of fights.
Overall, solid night for the UFC.
It did not end.
Yeah, solid weekend.
One championship.
Don't forget one.
One championship.
Haters, baby.
It is.
All right, we're out of here.
For Casey, for Jed, I am Ikech, aka back tomorrow, for on to the next one.
Good night, everybody.
Love you guys.
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