MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 50 Post-Fight Show | Did Magomed Ankalaev's Stock Drop With Performance in Main Event Win?

Episode Date: March 13, 2022

Magomed Ankalaev picked up his eighth straight victory in the main event of UFC Vegas 50 on Saturday night, but did his overall performance push him further back in the UFC's light heavyweight champio...nship conversation? MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, Jed Meshew, and E. Casey Leydon discuss that topic, along with Song Yadong's statement win over former title challenger Marlon Moraes in the co-main event, what could be next for Alex Pereira and Terrance McKinney, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:55 if you will. So did that main event. Following the final 25 minutes of that card. But in the end, Magamette Ancolaev picks of his eighth consecutive victory. He defeats Tiago Santos a tactical performance from Ancalaif. And he gets the win. And up to that point,
Starting point is 00:02:23 this card was really, really good. It lived up to the expectations, but sometimes you got to close out the way you started to keep the flow going and it didn't really happen here. But we're going to talk about this card anyway because there were some very good moments. I am Mike Eck. Jed Beshew is here once again. And EKZ. And EKZ. And E.K.C. Lydance here.
Starting point is 00:02:50 And, uh, Jed, I'm just going to kick it over to you, my man. we just saw 25 minutes of fighting. And to quote our good friend Alexander Kaylee, that was a fight. It was a fight. Your thoughts on the fight, Ankelyleif's victory. I mean, not the most aesthetically pleasing performance,
Starting point is 00:03:12 but a win is a win. Like, is that fair to say? Or are we just, we can't even go in that direction? I mean, he won. He won because he's getting the win bonus. But, man, he blurred the line between winning and total apathy because that fight sucked. Like, and I blame, frankly, I would be honest, I blame it entirely on him. I know that it takes two to tango and we can get into why that fight looked the way it did.
Starting point is 00:03:42 And sure, both men played a part to it. But it's not Tiago Santos's fault that that fight sucked. It's Magamette Ancolae's fault that that fight sucked. And I blame him entirely. and I'm going to keep blaming him, even though I have, you know, predicted he's going to be the light heavy rate champion at the end of the year because, man, what the hell?
Starting point is 00:04:02 Like, you just can't do like that. We all talked about it. All in the lead up, it was, this is the fight. He wins this fight. He's going to get to fight the winner of Yeree Glover. That's it. That's gone, baby. That's out.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Like, I know he came in saying at the end, well, I think I don't care. You Leon Edwards the hell out of yourself with that nonsense. Wow. Wow. And you got, dude,
Starting point is 00:04:26 we're live, we can't take that back. Oh my goodness. I don't want to take it back. I hope someone sees this. He's like, yeah, look,
Starting point is 00:04:34 you, he's right. Because if you had just tried to do stuff, you probably would have won. And then having done stuff, been fun enough to be like, all right, that's the dude.
Starting point is 00:04:47 There's a reason we were talking about him. There's a reason he was a minus 800 favor. or whatever. Instead, we just got that, man. Like, I don't, again, I'm not a professional fighter and I can't get inside their head. But it boggles my mind whenever we see stuff like this. And it happens a lot. It's not just Magerman Ankylaev, but like, you have everything you've ever wanted on the line. And that's the performance you put forth.
Starting point is 00:05:16 Like, what the hell, dude? Yeah. Yeah, and here's the thing, Casey. We had two examples of guys who were looking to take that next step on this card. Like, next level stuff had the opportunity to make a statement. Yes. Song Yadong just went after Marlon Mara Rai's because if anyone broke down that fight, the way that Song Yadong actually fought, people would have been like,
Starting point is 00:05:42 that is a terrible idea. You get to let Mara Mora Rish just like blow himself out. Then you go after him. Song Yadong is like, nope, I'm going to go right in this dude's face and I'm going to knock his block off. Did not care. And he did. Magumannigalep, the exact opposite. This was not a title shot thing.
Starting point is 00:05:57 And you know what, Casey? If you're Alexander Rackich and Jan Bolshevich right now, you're very happy. Are you not? Like, you are thrilled because he just went from probably the front of the line to like third in line, if we're being honest after that performance. Your thoughts on the fight. I'll be the mean one.
Starting point is 00:06:20 I'll try to be a good cop here. You can be a good cop because I'm coming with heat. If the point of the game is to hit and not get hit, I mean, he didn't get hit as much, so it was a good night for him. And back to you, Mike. Good answer. Good answer. Family feud, good answer. Survey says.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Okay, from a pure entertainment standpoint, and we can't lie to ourselves, MMA. is entertainment. It needs to be entertainment, too. Yeah, that fight stunk, entertainment-wise. From a martial arts perspective, yeah, Ankylov's did what he needed to do, was get the W and not get injured. Yeah, he might need a couple of stitches on his shin, but Tiago Santos is a scary dude, and I don't know.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Yeah, it ain't going to get him a title shot. No, he's going to, he actually might, we might move him down in the rankings because of that fight, just because we want to be jerks. but it happens and yeah that's the best good cop I could do I'm sorry I mean
Starting point is 00:07:36 I thought the takedowns were going to be there we're in the small cage like I know he doesn't they were there they were there all night all night they were there he was back like Tiago Sauss is like I'm going to take the middle and then I'm just going to stand with my back against the fence
Starting point is 00:07:54 and I'm just going to walk all the way around the back of the fence like he's welcoming you in to take him down and he waited to the fourth round to engage in any clinches it was just such a bizarre performance like I don't know if there was an injury there and I don't know
Starting point is 00:08:09 but his answer was I just wanted to go five rounds and see what it was like when he was asked like how he graded his answer was my coaches told me to do it and I was like no why what was the first The first attempt in a takedown, he took him down so easily, so easily.
Starting point is 00:08:30 Like, you could have, I thought he was going to do that in the first round. He was going to lay on him for three minutes, just second round is going to be very similar. And then Tiago's just got to go for broke in the third. And then Uncle Av was going to knock him out. Like, that's the way I saw the fight going. And it just was the complete opposite. It was like the George Costanza of fights. Like, this is what I've done my whole life, but I'm going to do the complete opposite.
Starting point is 00:08:53 And that's what happened. Like, that is what happened. Not good. Okay. Just not good. A bit of a counter argument, I guess. How do you beat Ankylaev then? If you go at him, like Kudalaba did, you get knocked out.
Starting point is 00:09:06 If you kind of wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I guess, I don't know, whatever Santos did tonight, that doesn't work either. How do you beat the man? Oh, I think Santos actually fought like really smart. Okay. I think he did not. I agree. And that's, again, why I'm not blaming Tiago Santos for what happened. for a number of reasons.
Starting point is 00:09:25 I think he was 60, 70% to the way to approach fighting, especially after what we just saw. So not to get too into the weeds. Basically exactly what happened is the same thing. The Anderson-Silva used to happen. We talked about it before we went on air. Uncle Jav wants to pressure, draw offense onto himself and then counter while you are backed up and coming at him.
Starting point is 00:09:48 And the couple of times that Santos did, in fact, just be like, oh, swing. He got clipped like, clean. because Anklav is very good at catching that. But when Santos stopped doing that, Encliffe did not have any tools beyond continuing to faint and waiting for Santos to do the dumb thing. When Santos wouldn't do the dumb thing,
Starting point is 00:10:08 they just were in a staring contest. We saw that same thing happened with Israel Dissue versus Yol Romero. Like, that's basically exactly what that fight was. It was just two guys trying to counter and go about it in different ways. And I think Santos is right, because if Enclive is that enormous, to generating his own offense. Like, you can take advantage of that.
Starting point is 00:10:28 You either have to make your shots count like Romero did against Adasanya, if you're some people, me, and scoring that fight. You either these small periods of offense have to be very effective, or you have to do what Adasania did against Romero, which is fill the gaps with stupid offense. All right, leg kick, leg kick, leg kick, leg kick, leg kick. not even damaging leg kicks, just tapping him to score points and do that. Because Yvonne Clive is just not going to do anything, which for big portions of this fight,
Starting point is 00:11:04 he got Santos into the positions he wanted every time without issue and just did nothing. Like if he's going to not do that, you can take advantage of that very effectively. Or not, well, not fun, but effectively, I guess. I want to break it this comment. I really like this comment. we too were talking about, you know, did this actually hurt Ankylaif as far as getting a title shot? And I'm going to bring this one up. I think it brings a good point.
Starting point is 00:11:33 We said the same thing after Cyril beat Volkov. Then he came back and fought for the title. Ankylaif will get touch out of the support. It's fine. No, we didn't say that. We thought Cyril's performance against Volkov was way better than it was the Jarzino one we had an issue with. And his stock did not rise from that fight. also want to be clear
Starting point is 00:11:52 he fought he fought Derek Lewis for an interim belt because the UFC wanted to screw over Francis and Gano but he didn't like but he did get a main event and a pay-per-view I'm just trying to I'm not saying
Starting point is 00:12:06 necessarily he gets a title shot but maybe the UFC won't hate this fight as much as we're kind of despising his fight they're not going to bury him because he's still one of the five best light heavyweights in the world but he if he had done anything good he is getting the next title fight.
Starting point is 00:12:21 And now it's probably Alexander Rockich. And like, if Yeree beats Glover, it's the winner of Rackich, like that's it. That's a fight. Yeah. If Glover beats Yerrere, if Glover beats Yeree, I don't know, or I don't know that Yon gets in a rematch that quickly, I think that could create a bit of interest. But that guy, who, that fight has pulled position now.
Starting point is 00:12:45 And Uncle Ives is going to have to take another one. And that's, again, I'm not even. saying, I think he should have come and been more offensive with the hands, because he was touching Tiago up with the body jab, with the teep. Yes, it was, that allowed Santos to come back with some more counters. But like, if the thing you want to do is hit him after he hits you, and he's going to swing after you teep him, maybe just teep him a bunch and then you're going to generate the ball rolling where you want it. I don't know. But mostly, you should just take him down and beat him up on top. If he had had a grinding decision where he at least
Starting point is 00:13:19 generated offense, we're still going to put him in a title fight. But he didn't. He landed like three strikes per minute or something absurdly low for a 25-minute fight. Like he just, there's no way he can get a title fight off of that now. And that's entirely on him. Like he was, he was the author of his fate there. And he handed a title fight to two other dudes when he had inside track because he, he wouldn't listen to his coaches and take the dude down.
Starting point is 00:13:47 It boggles my mind. I'm very upset if you can't tell. The other point I'll make to that to that comment is that title fight had less to do with Cyril gone and much more to do with Derek Lewis because of where that card was taking place. So let's put that into perspective as well because if Derek Lewis was coming off of two losses or Derek Lewis like was injured or that card was anywhere else in the country, we wouldn't that fight would not have been headlighting. and Cyril just happened to be the guy that was just like next in line but who we're going to throw in there with Derek Lewis oh I'll throw Cyril gone in there
Starting point is 00:14:24 it's a win-win for us either we get Cyril versus Angano or Derek Lewis gets this big moment in Houston and we do Derek Lewis versus Angano so it was more about Derek than it was for being honest with ourselves and listen he won the fight he got two paychecks so frig us who cares what we have to say
Starting point is 00:14:42 but in terms of him getting into a main event getting into a title fight. I mean, do you think the UFC is going to rush him into a main event for the light heavyweight title? I don't think so. That,
Starting point is 00:14:55 please go, Casey. Oh, would they rush him back into another, say, another fight night main event? I think he's still a fight night main eventer. I'll tell you what, man.
Starting point is 00:15:06 Probably just because the number, but I don't know. Yeah. Here's just going to, yeah, I mean, I have the perfect fight. Because when Glover Tashira,
Starting point is 00:15:14 chokes Yuri Perhaska unconscious. Oh, that's why you hit it. They were going to do Ankelai versus Yuri Perashka. That's the fight. That's why we'll be awesome because Yeri is not going to let Ankiyv stand and stare at him.
Starting point is 00:15:28 So that fight will be bangers. I mean, I could be totally wrong, but I'm not backing off with the Glover prediction that I've been making for like six months now. I'm just not doing it. You have a corner. Stand on it. I respect it.
Starting point is 00:15:42 We move on. I just want to say like Mike's right, everybody's right, he won. He got the W, that's the most important thing. But you really need to, like if you're a fighter, you need to look at fights as, like, they are not just fights. They are opportunities to do a number of things. The core baseline is you want to win because you got to get two paychecks. That is the most important thing. But on top of that, you want to build a brand, you want to establish yourself, you want to move up the rankings, you want to build better paycheck.
Starting point is 00:16:14 for you down the line. You want to build fans. He did none of thing. He did Mission A and failed every other mission, like every single one of them. And so it is technically a success, but he had a real opportunity to make himself way more than he is. And he fumbled the bag, the ball,
Starting point is 00:16:34 whatever you want to call it. And it sucked to watch. It was awful. Yeah. We'll see what happens with Tiago Santos. We'll see what happens with the ankle lap. Again, he might be an interesting spot because when October rolls around, if they need a fight for the return to Abu Dhabi and the light heavyweight title did,
Starting point is 00:16:56 maybe they just slide him in there from a geographical perspective. But, I mean, that's probably one of those three daytime ESPN plus paper views. It'll be like the co-main event. It'll be the feature about it on like a three title fight card. Like there's no way that's headlining. like Islam versus I mean the lightweight title will take precedent over that one
Starting point is 00:17:20 and it's undoubtedly going to happen Maybe Angolaif is just simply he's a unfortunately he will be a five round fighter but he's a guy you only need to see for 15 minutes Maybe that's just it Maybe it's just those extra 10 minutes It was just after four after 13 fights 13 very good fights too
Starting point is 00:17:37 And to kind of end it with that It was just The fourth round was his best round It was his best round. Yeah, I know, I know. I'm trying to help him out. Sorry. He's just not going to adapt himself.
Starting point is 00:17:53 And that's like, that's the frustrating thing. Because he could have made change and he could have adapted anything he was doing. It wasn't. And I think there are a lot. We could get deep into the weeds on why I think that's strategically horrendous. Because like, say this all the time. Playing it safe is actually one of the stupidest and least effective ways that fighters can fight. because you are by definition
Starting point is 00:18:14 allowing your opposition more time in the fight by not putting the hammer down on them when you have it. And so like the safe way to fight Tiago Santos was not what Oncleyev did. It was to body lock him, take him down, and thrash him on top until Santos broke or got tired or just for 25 minutes because it's real tough to knock someone out
Starting point is 00:18:35 when you're on when you're on the ground. It's very difficult. He didn't do any of that. And so like it just, He's not going to adjust. Just book him against Yeri. Because Yeri will play the game that he wants to play. And so that fight will be fun.
Starting point is 00:18:51 But he's in that Anderson Silva thing where if someone wants to fight him smart, it's probably going to suck to watch. Hack the holidays with the PC Holiday Insiders Report. Try this PC Porchetta. Crackling, craveworthy. You going to eat that? Who are you? I'm the voice for the next ad.
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Starting point is 00:19:43 I am going to give Song Yidong, Kaleo Roundtree Jr., Cody Brundage, and Azamot Mirzakhanov. Casey. This is what I would give. Four performance bonuses, Brandon Maverick, Kalil Roundtree,
Starting point is 00:20:10 Song Yidong, and the very first... Azamat. I'm not going to say his last name. But I'm assuming fight of the night went to Dober McKinney. That's going to bother the hell out of me. Yeah, that's what's going to happen. Dober McKinney, and it's going to be Yadong and Roundtree.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Those are going to be your bonuses. But we'll see. We'll see what happens. Maybe the UFC will be super giving tonight. Put us all in a better mood after that main event by just giving all the bonuses. All the bonuses. Man, they should really just stop giving. performance bonuses and just do finish bonuses.
Starting point is 00:20:50 It's like a way better way to do this. It's like a substantially better way to do the things they're trying to achieve. But how are you going to make record profits if you're just giving out money, man? Because if all of your fighters are unsupervised to finish people, you're going to make record money because you're going to have a way better product. Joe and can I, yeah. I was like scrap, scrap win bonuses entirely.
Starting point is 00:21:16 and just finish bonuses. It's double your paycheck. Go try and fight somebody. Don't stare at them for 25 minutes. Man, imagine that. Like no win bonuses. You get a flat rate, win or lose. But if you get the finish, double.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Double. Go for it. Hammer and tongs, baby. Well, one person that went for it, like we talked about, was Song Yudong. Co-mate event. What a performance. Just goes right after Marlon
Starting point is 00:21:46 Marais. Big uppercut. I mean, the fight was over. As soon as Marlon hit the mat, it was done. Huge win for Song Yudong. You have to think as exciting as Marlon Marais is. And even though the resume and the guys of these lost to at this point, you have to think there's a chance that Marlon Marais is not long for this UFC world any longer. But we'll see what happens. But Casey, your thoughts on Song Yenong's performance, because 24 years of age, this kid's only going to get better and that was a massive performance tonight yeah um every card has one that's just like just like this just a breakout performance and this is this is his definitive breakout performance against modern marius tonight um it was a great matchup on paper the the matchup made sense in terms
Starting point is 00:22:33 of these guys career trajectories and um holy crap um a little humble brag on our tapology picks I went 13 for 14 tonight. And the only fight I freaking missed was this fight. I was still on the Marlon Rice hype train. I still believed in him. And yeah, Song-Gadong showed up tonight. And yeah, he's the real deal. I don't know if he's a top five guy,
Starting point is 00:23:01 but he would definitely be in the top 10 for a while. And he is super exciting. And heck, man, congratulations on getting that extra money, man. you that was freaking awesome and so violent and i'm going to be bummed if martin marius leaves the ufc or retires apparently because um it'll be kind of crazy that chris mantino will maybe still get another fight in the ufc but they get rid of you know marion marius but um that's how it goes you know yeah i mean listen marilyn's got places to go yeah he does yeah i know we know who his manager is he can go fight for eagle fc make more money fight lesser competition and live a happy
Starting point is 00:23:41 life. That's all upside, baby. Yep. Yes. So, I mean, it's okay. We don't need to cry for Marlon, for Mara Maris here. We just don't because he's got opportunities. He's an exciting guy.
Starting point is 00:23:52 Go ahead. How do you guys think Henry Suhudo will butcher his name? Because I feel like you should be able to pronounce Marlon Maris, but it is Henry Therudo. It'll be amazing. That Keen-Pillskit with the substitute teacher and he keeps mispronouncing everyone's name. Hey, Aaron. I don't know what the thing, A-A-A-A-A-Ron.
Starting point is 00:24:13 Yeah, that's a hoot. He's a, that's a, that's a hootoo in M-M-A. I heard, honestly, I hope he leads into the bit. He should. Marlon Morass. Uh-huh. It's definitely more ass, for sure. Morass.
Starting point is 00:24:33 To go, to go, to go back to Song-e-dong, Jed. What did you think of his... Like, where is his ceiling now? Because I think we're all very intrigued. We all thought there's a lot of potential there. But after this performance, did that exceed even your expectations to this point in his career? No, that was...
Starting point is 00:24:54 I missed on a number of fights this week. That was one that I felt real good about the whole time. We talked about it in the pre-show. He looked... He was even more aggressive than I anticipated him being. He looked like he was trying to make a statement which is theoretically the most dangerous way to fight Marlon Maras, but it wasn't because he knocked him out immediately.
Starting point is 00:25:18 And so there was no opportunity from Maraeris to stage a comeback. Because he didn't play with his food. He got stuff done. I think his ceiling is champion. I'm not saying he's going to be champion, but he is 24 years old. And I think he is one of the six or seven best band of weights in the world already. I'd pick him to beat most guys outside of the top five
Starting point is 00:25:42 and, you know, be competitive against a lot of the top five guys, too. Like, I would ultimately take Cody Garbrand to beat him, or not Cody Garbrandt. T.J. Dillishaw, sorry, I just had a brain fart there. He would kill Cody Garbrandt. But I would take T.J. Dillershaw to beat him, but I think that's probably a competitive fight, certainly for stretches of it. And in a couple of years, Dillishaw, A little more tread off the tires.
Starting point is 00:26:09 Song Yandong is still well short of his prime. Like he is 24. So I think he is, I will stake that he is absolutely going to compete for a title. Whether he wins will just kind of depend on what the, how much he can advance, kind of what his overall athletic ceiling is. But I think he's going to be a top five guy for a while. And dude's a hitter. I'm really excited to watch him continue to grow.
Starting point is 00:26:36 We have bonuses. We do a fight in line, 2. Kaleel Roundtree. Okay. Song Yidong. Okay. Azumat
Starting point is 00:26:49 Mirzikanov. I think we're, I think both Casey and I are three for three here. And fourth one? Cody Brundage. God. Yeah. Four for four, baby. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:27:04 Do you usually hate submissions. They hate submissions. They do. They hate submissions. They hate submissions. Oh, you did? Up to gullige. He jumped in
Starting point is 00:27:11 He jumped in Dilley. He did the Dustin Porregelly jump. Yeah, it was pretty cool. He was getting battered. He was getting beat up. You're rewarding a guy getting beaten up.
Starting point is 00:27:24 Branden Maverick took... I'm still mad. Congratulations, fighters. Congratulations, though. Miranda Maverick's overall performance was better, but Brundage was more cinematic. Pazazazaz, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:37 Yeah. You lost style points. because he got punished aggressively. Yeah, Miranda Maverick, she's like, oh, I go to school, I read books, I'm getting a PhD, I'm not going to get hit in the head, I'm going to actually win a fight, you know, not get touched. That's not how you make money to the sports. She wants to be a doctor? No, they watched, they watched AK on the preview show just demean her.
Starting point is 00:28:02 No, he didn't demean her. I'm just joking. He was like, you know, she wants to do other things. Maybe she's not into this martial arts thing. And, yeah. So good win for Song Yidong. We'll see what happens with Maramorais. At this point, I kind of want Eagle FC, if we're being honest.
Starting point is 00:28:18 I think you can be much happy over there. I think you can't find much more success over there. So Diuk Yusuf, good win over Alex Casares, Killeel Routree, we mentioned. Fantastic. One of the best post-fight speeches. One of the best post-fight speeches? One of the best post-fight speeches?
Starting point is 00:28:32 Yeah, it was incredible. That was amazing. Drew Dover, Terence McKinney was ridiculous. Alex Pereira, Bruno Silva. great fight. Alex Pereira gets the win. Go ahead, Jed. I'm going to talk about that?
Starting point is 00:28:43 I just want to say, Casey, who was better post-fight? Khalil Roundtree or Javi Bashrod? Ooh, good one, good one. They were both very worthy. They were both very worthy. I enjoyed roundtrees just because the, just the craziest thing you might be for. Yeah, a lot of emotion. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:06 But that was the round tree that I was kind of hoping for. in our Q&A is like if like when he's on and he has that just like I don't know that's just crazy rage you know it's in him sometimes he is that he is so scary like I kind of tweeted like when that when he did that bought it's like going back to the roundtree fight sorry when he did that body shot that he kicked him uh he kicked him roberson in the body like I was on my couch and I winced like I had like pains that that's how scary that that that's how scary that knockout was or just his viciousness so um man yeah when he's mean man he's good yeah sometimes isn't mean yeah the lower his his fighting stances the meaner he is like when he's up there and he's
Starting point is 00:29:54 standing like kind of in an orthodox sort of pickboxing stance you're just like oh oh it's not gonna be that great but when he like when those knees bend a little bit and he's crouching down he looks like he's seven inches shorter than his opponent. You know violence is about to ensue. And he did not let us down. And that image of Robertson is still on the ground, cowering up and Herbding pulling Roundtree off. And Roundtree is just looking at him like, how dare you?
Starting point is 00:30:23 Like, how dare you? Oh, man, that was just, this sport as well. It's still shocking. They seem string things together. Yeah. Like after all these years, some of the violence that we see in there still shocks me. It's just, it's wild. Man, I think I'm going to make my first on to the next one,
Starting point is 00:30:42 submission for you, Mike. I'm excited. Okay. Because I, because Roundtree has decided he's going to just beat the breaks off K1 guys. Because he somehow knocked out Gokensaki and Carl Roberson, like, fought a couple times in K1. Who's a homie who fought the other weekend who went to K1. Some come on white guy opening fight the card He won't you want
Starting point is 00:31:10 Yeah I don't know give me I'm blanking on the name I'll have it in just one second Dustin Jacoby Oh On glory yeah yeah The glory fire yeah Glory okay one same same
Starting point is 00:31:24 Oh yeah That's my on to the next one submission The round trade Did Jacoby just win or did he lose his last fight? I can't remember No he won He's ranked now in the UFC ranking things. Cleo Roundtree,
Starting point is 00:31:37 Dustin Jacoby. That's my on to the next one submission, Mike. Why not? I want my audio points. It's a damn good fight. What else? We'll go to the peeps in a minute
Starting point is 00:31:47 because I'm sure they're going to touch on all the other stuff we'd want to talk about. Matthew Semlesburg, good win, JJ Aldrich, nice win. Congratulations to Javid, Basharat. Damon Jackson, looking tremendous. Damon, don't call me Martin Jackson. Miranda Maverick.
Starting point is 00:32:01 Good bounce back. Cody Brundage gets a bonus. Guido Canetti. I think, Chris Boutinho. I don't know. We might not see him again. We'll see. We'll see. And then Asmat, Mirza Kanoff, great start to the card, set the tone with that flying knee after looking not as good as we kind of thought he might. But, man, he finished strong in that third round. So we had fun card. We have really big comeback wins in this fight, like this card. So Merzikanoff, he was losing that fight. Brundage was losing that fight. And Drew Dover was losing. in that fight.
Starting point is 00:32:36 There's three really nice comebacks. Actually, it's good card. I thought Damon Jackson lost the first round, too. So, yeah. I mean, not the same amount of domination. Yeah, not the same level, but yeah. Did A.J. Fletcher win the first round, too? I think AJ Fletcher was in the first round.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Yeah. There you go. It's a fun card. I mean, it was a good card. It was. It was really good. It was a good 13-fight card. And then it was the main event.
Starting point is 00:33:04 How much more would we? like this card if the main event was song y dong mull and marais which it could have been way it'd be way which it could have been like that's we've had worse main events this year than that like i think we'd all be like this was one of the best fighting that cards in a really long time it's great yeah i liked it it was a good card on paper and i think it showed up i think it was a good card and actually whatever and phil davis won again by the way jenn in case you were wondering
Starting point is 00:33:35 I thought that he was winning handily, and that doesn't surprise me. 3027s across the board. Best light heavyweight in the night. He might, he very much, he's very well might be. His performance is certainly true. All right, let's go to the peeps, see what they're thinking. All right, do the peeps. This is Bellator main event supposed to kick off.
Starting point is 00:34:01 Here we go. I guess I'll forget them. Ephraim Gonzalez. Let me refix this real quick. Sorry about it. Can you read it still? Yeah. Why is everybody arguing on behalf of the promoter here, though?
Starting point is 00:34:15 Ankleife is still a problem, and we are fight fans at the end of the day. His presence as a contender at 205 is still interesting. I don't know if I understand the first part of this question. Why are we arguing on behalf of the promoter? I think of the entertainment factor. I think as a promoter you really just are focused on the entertainment of it. it's what they're talking about. Sure.
Starting point is 00:34:39 But I don't think any of us have been arguing on behalf of the promoter. I'm arguing on behalf of the fans, my eyeballs, the fighters themselves, who are much benefited by not having performances like that. I think we covered it pretty cleanly. He did the thing he needed to do. He did win. He did not go about it in the most efficient way for being honest. I don't think he went about it in the safest way
Starting point is 00:35:06 and he definitely didn't go about it in a way that maybe him grounding Santos for five rounds isn't like that fun but it's at least like much more dominant and gets him to a title fight which is frankly what I'm arguing for I want him to win the title because me and me and Sean have a bet on it
Starting point is 00:35:26 so I would be behooved if he wins the title I want him to do better and he did not do great for whatever reason that is. And I think his own coaches would tell you that based on him saying, my coaches told me I should keep wrestling him. And I was just like, nah. There's a total of 138 significant strikes landed in that entire fight, by the way. I saw some people with this Santiago take, not from you like other people on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Look, if you enjoyed it, Santiago and others, cool. very happy for you to different strokes for different folks I am here to tell you point blank a majority of people would not look at that as interesting or entertaining it was not out of 10 people
Starting point is 00:36:17 like it's if you liked it I'm not trying to yuck your young man live your life that's cool but me and more people who watch fights than don't will say that that was not good I sense Felder was having trouble finding the words to
Starting point is 00:36:34 to sell this fight. He was trying his best about and not just, yeah, he was trying his best. You could only go to the well on the well. These guys are both big men who hit hard, so you've got to be careful. Like, you can't say that. It's honestly, like, I am actually surprised
Starting point is 00:36:53 by how many strikes they landed because I was doing play-by-play for the site. There were legitimately minutes of the fight where I would just text, like, type, nothing of consequence happened for the two minutes because it just it did it nothing of consequence happened i think here's the i think here's the issue maybe it may be expectations were a little high frank alive and here's a thing he's been waiting for an opportunity like this for like two years we've been waiting for him to
Starting point is 00:37:25 get this opportunity we all saw this in him and he gets it he gets his opportunity he gets to headline this loaded card that everyone's going to watch coming off of the pay-per-view. I mean, this is where he wants to be. Like, this is the car you want a headline coming off of an event that everyone's still talking about. And then you come out with a performance like that. Like, he wins and good on him. Like, you go out there, you got to get that second paycheck.
Starting point is 00:37:52 That's the pay structure. But you have an opportunity to jump the line here. Like, everyone was saying, you go out there and you have an impressed force. You're jumping Yombovich. You're jumping Alexander Rackage. you're jumping into a title fight. Like you go out there and just have some sort of an impressive victory that people are going to be talking about. You create some buzz on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:38:12 Let me give you an example of how people reacted to this, okay? You see the fighters, you see the fighters tweeting, okay, all night long throughout the card, okay? My job tonight, outside of doing this show and the other shows, was to do a Twitter reacts column. Like how does Twitter react to the fight? You know how many fighters tweeted about the result of this fight? Zero. Zero. Not one tweet.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Not one tweet. I mean, maybe there has been since, but 10 minutes after the fight, not one fighter reaction to the fight. None. The fight was so... None. Don't look at the Terrence McKinney fight. Go look at the Terrence McKinney fight.
Starting point is 00:38:59 dozens. Go look at the Song-e-Dong fight. Dozens. I mean, I had to like, pick and shot some. Phil Davis has some.
Starting point is 00:39:08 Phil Davis has some. Phil Davis has some. I mean, that's the thing. That's the thing. Like, that's not going to get you a title shot when no one's talking about the performance.
Starting point is 00:39:18 Even if it was a bad, even if it was a bad, boring performance. Even if it's boring, you're still talking about that fight was boring. It was just nothing. If Angle-
Starting point is 00:39:26 Life took him down. If Ang, the life took him down like 14 times and like just landed a couple of strikes like I would still say give this man a title shot but he's just so hesitant all night like I get like I get it we're not fighters and I know
Starting point is 00:39:41 some of you are there's oh I'm sure you good look at these guys never been in the cage even though case is about to fight in a week so he speaks for all of us damn it but I mean I've been in a lot of fights I've had my ass beat all the time not like this is sports this is sports we're a lot like
Starting point is 00:39:58 this is sports. If a pitcher goes out there and gives up 14 runs, we're going to say he sucked. Like, it just happens, you know? I mean, sometimes a pitcher goes out gives up eight runs over six innings and gets a win. Doesn't mean it's a good win. We're not commenting on uncle I have the person who, by the way, a lot of ties to Hamzan Kotorov. So, you know, put that away wherever you want to deal with it. But I said at the beginning of the program offhandedly, but it's honestly like super true. And everything Mike said drives home the point. I was Leon Edwards effort.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Like, look at, look at, seriously, look at what Leon Edwards has gone through. Leon Edwards has been chasing a title shot for three years. And whether you want to believe that that is circumstance or other people's fault, at a core fundamental level, he bears a large part of the responsibility because he has never capitalized on any opportunity and never made people care about him. and Uncle Ive is a real risk of being that way because he's five or six in the UFC's rankings. We already talked about Jan Blovich and dude fighting that they're going to jump him.
Starting point is 00:41:10 You think Anthony Smith, who is charismatic and can talk, is going to just let this dude jump in? I'm like, you're going to give that guy after that rancid performance. That's an excellent point. That's an excellent name. Everybody in front of him and people behind him who speak English and can promote themselves better. have a window now.
Starting point is 00:41:30 Like, it's just, again, if you liked it, I'm happy for you to like it. I'm not here to yuck your young, man. But the reality of the situation is he blew a big chance, a big opportunity. He did the baseline thing that he needed to do, and he did not go one step beyond the bare minimum. And we're not going to celebrate him doing the bare minimum of success
Starting point is 00:41:52 or pretend that it was good. At least I'm not. Guess it. I mean, you know what other 205 got an opportunity and made the most of it? Jamal Hill. He went in there in a main event, blew the doors off of his opponent. I mean, his stocks is higher than Anky Lives right now, too. Like, it just is.
Starting point is 00:42:14 Like, Ankylives got the winning streak. But right now, like, who would you rather watch fight? Jamal Hill or Magam at Ankelaev? Most people are going to say Jamalil. And Santiago, let me just say this. The fight may have been entertaining to you. but if someone walked up to you and said, hey, what did you think of that UFC card?
Starting point is 00:42:30 I've never watched it before. And they said, show me the best fight of the night. I guarantee you that'd be like your 10th choice. You would have showed, you'd show Drew Dover, Terrence, McKinney. You'd show nine other fights before you show that one. I'm sorry, I would. If you'd say otherwise, I don't believe you.
Starting point is 00:42:45 I just don't believe you. I think the only fight that I could argue that I would show, that I would show that before is maybe, Maybe. The J.J. J.J. Aldrich, Gillian Robertson, because at least they're big dudes and, like, casual fans are more intrinsically, like, interested in that. But, I mean, Gillian Robertson, JJ, Overs is a much better fight. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:12 It's a much more entertaining fight. Okay. We would show Cody Brundage's performance before we'd show them in. We'd show Damon Jackson sports. We'd show, we'd show Javid Basharat and Trevin Jones thrown hands at each other. We would show Matthew Semlesburger and A.J. Fletcher getting after. We'd show Paheda and Bruno Silva. We'd show Drew Dober, Terrence McKinney.
Starting point is 00:43:31 We'd show the violence of Khalil Roundtree. We'd show Sudik Yus of Alex Kassaris having a technical fun battle. We would show Song Yidong, knock it on Mario Morayas. And then if we had time, we would show you 25 minutes of late heavyweight fights. It's also 25 minutes. It's a half hour. That's so long. That's a lot.
Starting point is 00:43:49 It's a lot. Okay. But of all this talk about the fight was entertaining, is Ankylaev still as good as you think he is? I do. Yeah, that's kind of the problem, though. That's kind of the problem. Yeah, even though it was like,
Starting point is 00:44:03 oh, 25 minutes ago, I wish I had that time back. He's still just as good as we thought he was. And that's, like, that's, there's nothing. That's frustrating. Yeah, there's nothing we saw tonight. We go like, oh, that was a bad 25 minutes. And I think he's not as good as I thought he was. He's still, I don't think he's better than we thought he was.
Starting point is 00:44:21 Maybe he is. I don't know. But, like, he's talking about. You're talking about Jamal Hill. Would you pick Jamal Hill to beat Anky-Lyaf? No. Yeah, and I guess that's the thing. For Anki-Lyaf, I'm, like I say, I'm being good cop right now.
Starting point is 00:44:36 In the sense, he's still got the win. He's still, we still think, we're not moving him back in the rankings. We still think he's a future title contender, a future, you know, title holder. You know, so it's just, it's interesting. That's all. Yeah. I mean, I get it. I understand.
Starting point is 00:44:53 And it's just, I actually think that he may not be as good as I thought he was just because I, you have to be able to adapt. Like, Anderson Silva is like really the only person who has ever able to, for his entire career, just to be a counterstriker and be like, everyone either played his game or he still managed to win because he was maybe the best fighter we've ever seen. and I don't think Engelai has that. But like, look, it's just you're, you are lowering your opportunities for success. And that's very annoying. Oh, man. I just, yeah. I saw it.
Starting point is 00:45:32 I just got updates on the awesome Bellator Main event right now, which I'm not watching, because I'm talking about a boring fight that happened half an hour ago instead. I've been telling all, you all, y'all, I've been telling everybody, Borch B'anelle is the best fight of the weekend. I knew it. It's the best way to bed event. Yeah, it was the best thing to bed. I'm, dude, I'm on that drain. Don't worry.
Starting point is 00:45:49 I'm on that, Drain. It's just one of those things that it's like, it's on the Bellator card and like nobody knows, like outside of like hardcore fans know who those guys are, but those who know who those guys are know that it was going to be a great fight. Dang. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:46:04 That's a good clip I'm looking at. Ah, all right. Stop it. I want to watch a fight. Let's get done up this so I can watch other MMA. Oh, real quick. A couple people asked, yes, this is a,
Starting point is 00:46:19 a shining shirt. Oh. That's that. There you go. That's a cool shirt. Thank you. I bought it for myself for a post-Christmas cell, and this is the first time I got to wear it.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Okay, we've talked almost nothing about this gentleman, so let's get into it. Was Alex Bahra winning tonight an upset? He entered today four and one in this career, Bruder Silva, 22, and 6. Not from a betting perspective. It wasn't an upset. And not even from like a, not even from like a fan in like a, a placement perspective either because like I tweeted out earlier tonight, Bruno Silva, I mean, no one was talking about Burna Silva.
Starting point is 00:47:00 Everyone, he was just the next victim in everybody's eyes. Alex was going to go out there and steamroll them and put him out to pasture. And I was shocked by that. But I was actually really impressed with Alex for here tonight. Like he could have gone out there delivered a two minute knockout, but the fact that he went three rounds, the fact that he overcame some adversity, he had to do some different things. He had a battle.
Starting point is 00:47:22 He had to do some take down defense. But was it the prettiest fight of all time? No. But did he go out there and do the damn thing against a tough season guy? Yeah. I wasn't shabby at all. Are you saying that A.K. Lee's dream of Alex Bahia versus Israel-Dissania next? Is that alive?
Starting point is 00:47:44 Is that alive, Mike? No, it's not alive. Yeah, okay. There you go. But I'm so mad. AK is doing Bellator not on this show. Because I wanted to spend 20 minutes just being like, AK, you sweet summer child. But Jed, would you throw him into a matchup with the top 10 guy right now?
Starting point is 00:48:04 Would you throw him in there with Sean Strickland? I would throw him in there with Derek Brunson tomorrow and have, like, spoiler alert, that's my on to the next one pick. I'm throwing Alex where in there with Derek Brunson right now. Sink or swim time. Derek Brunson has got one fight left on in his deal. He said he's going to be retired after this. Either you get a huge win and go out on top against a guy and halts a momentum, or you get bolted and you catapult this dude into a title fight with Israel Adasania.
Starting point is 00:48:31 So, I mean, that's how I would do it. Do you think the UFC will do that? Like, do you think maybe they're probably not going to throw them in there and give him the AK treatment, throw them right into a title fight, but they're going to try to fast track this guy. And they should. They should. Casey, you go. I want to hear more from you, Casey.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Yes. I, AK is ridiculous, first of all. He's just ridiculous. That was just a ridiculous take. But he's clearly a good MMA middleweight, but he's super excited. He's great for TV. He looks mean. Like his hook, his left hook, like, I don't know if I saw Jed say this, we're talking,
Starting point is 00:49:13 but like everything's just so effortless. I don't know how he does it, how he generates. so much scary power with so seemingly low effort. But he's just, he's incredibly fun to watch. And, yeah, I personally, I want, I'd rather see him versus Strickland. I think he should get a top 10 fighter.
Starting point is 00:49:31 I don't know if a guy like Strickland would take that fight, but I would love to see that fight. And I think it's a favorable matchup for Mr. Pereira. But your, your, your, your, your, uh, suggesting about Mr. Brunson, I think is actually, that we'll find out much more about, Alex Pereira if he can beat Derek Brunson. And it makes sense career-wise and contract-wise.
Starting point is 00:49:53 So, yeah, there's nothing I saw tonight. I go, oh, man, Izzy's scared, you know. Axperer is good. He's a scary dude, obviously, in there. But I want to see more. And with the age and everything, I think he has to, I think he has to be fast-tracked. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:17 Yeah. I think Brunson's perfect. I honestly did not, don't feel great about, I thought he did a lot of things that are constructive to a successful M.A career tonight. I left that thinking, oh, he's going to really struggle against some of the guys at the top of this division if he ever else to face him. I'm like, because even like in kickboxing is much more an aggressive guy who wants to be leading the offense. his power does really impress the hell out of me because he has to have like super dense bones or something because he barely he barely like swings
Starting point is 00:50:57 and it's thudding power it's not like ooh precisely clear it's just like the whole body is shifting of Bruno Silva was a thick dude and so like it is that was the thing that was the most impressive to me is just like how much he could move Silva's body by what appeared to just be lightly tapping him. And that's some stuff that you just can't really teach. So that's great. But I really didn't. He's
Starting point is 00:51:24 not that great, or at least he wasn't that great tonight defensively. And Silva didn't have, Silo was pretty limited in like what he can do offensively. Like he is very effective with what he can, but there's not a huge diversity there. And he didn't have that many tools to get the road going. But he was still having success kind of by just doing a high-gall. and saying, I don't really care and just coming forward and putting hands on. Like, he did a lot of high blocking and just was willing to eat shots. And so, like, I'm pretty sure you can't physically hurt Marvin Vittori with a baseball bat. So, like, if he fought Marvin Vittori the same way he fought tonight, Vittori's just going to walk through him and do rough and tumble Vittori things to him.
Starting point is 00:52:12 So, like, I think Brunson is, I think he nailed it. it's perfect. Brunson is hitable. Brunson tires out. Brunson also has a clear path to victory. I was not all that encouraged by the wrestling of Bahia. I mean, he got up and that was fine. But also those were the first takedowns, Bruno Silva's shot and like maybe his entire MMA career.
Starting point is 00:52:34 And they succeeded. So that's also maybe not a great sign. I think there's, there was good and bad. But I think you've got to fast track him because of the age, because I don't like his chances to, like, climb up the ladder. So I think Brunson's perfect. He can win that. And if he wins it, title shot, let's go.
Starting point is 00:52:55 Yeah. Makes sense, yeah. I would like to see the Strickland bikes. I think it would be just fun to see. And I definitely be fun. That would be more fun than the Brunson fight. Yeah. I think the Brunson fight either goes one way, the other pretty fast.
Starting point is 00:53:09 The Strickland fight is going to be kind of wild. Yeah. The only fun part of the Brunson fight is to see if Brunson can hang on. because I'm real confident he'll get takedowns in round one. It's just how long he can keep sitting on him or if he can get a finish. Because otherwise it's just, but yeah, the Strickland fight is way more fun. I take the Behavai, too, because he can clearly see a path to victory, and that's a big marquee win to end his career on, Mike.
Starting point is 00:53:38 I think he'd take it. I think both sides take it. It's a win-win. You've done it. You've done it, Mike. Great work. Thank you. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:53:46 Okay, sorry I had to Future Otno point coming Yeah Man it sounds like we're missing a very good fight right now I know I'm a little bit I'm kind of I'm like Alright, try and wrap it up guys It's like we're just a very good fight right now
Starting point is 00:54:02 Oh wrong screen Wrong screen Let's talk about what's next for this gentleman Do you think this is the last main event for Santos? Yeah Very likely So I wouldn't say for certain.
Starting point is 00:54:18 People still seem to think he's a fun fighter, even though he's not. It's been a while. It's not. And like that's, again, I don't blame tonight on him, but I said in the pre-show, he has not been fun since John Jones.
Starting point is 00:54:32 And whether it's just because he blew out both his knees, that's like a totally reasonable answer to me. He's 38, he's married and happy. Like, I don't know the reason, but he used to be fun, and he has not been fun in like four years. Yeah. His last fights are John Jones, which was not a fun fight.
Starting point is 00:54:52 Glover Tashira, which he mostly just got sat on, though he was relatively fun at the very beginning of that before Glover just started doing Glover things. Rockich was an awful fight. Johnny Walker was an awful fight. This fight was an awful fight. There's a through line. That's all I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:55:08 It's Diago Santos. Does Santos roundtree makes sense? Or is that too far up the ladder forward? clue I'd watch that fight I'd watch it probably is too far because I don't Cluel's not ranked and yeah
Starting point is 00:55:23 Santos Santos is only going to drop to like eight in the UFC's rankings okay because I think he's like five so he's yeah he's gonna drop to like he'll still be a top 10 that's a that's a ball life was six so they probably just got his flip flop
Starting point is 00:55:38 oh if they were five and six then they probably will just flip flop yeah but maybe Santos just Maybe Santos just needs that proper dance partner. That's all. I think that I think similarly that would help him, you know. Yeah. I think more as a dance partner thing, more than a ranking thing.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Anthony Smith, do that again. They had a good fight when they fought. They fought 85, right? Or was that 205? Yeah, it was 85. Yeah. Does Anthony Smith have a fight right now? Am I forgetting?
Starting point is 00:56:07 No idea. No, I like him. I mean, if they did that, I think, I feel like that fight should have. Two years ago. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. Jamal Hill would be good for Anthony Smith. I mean, there's lots of options.
Starting point is 00:56:22 Lots of fun options. Jamal Hill talked Tiago Santos is, because Jamal Hill probably will come at him and make a fight. That's actually, that actually might be the fight. I think that might be it. I think there's exciting fights for Santos still. I just don't think we'll see him in a five-rounder for a while. Probably not, though.
Starting point is 00:56:44 I don't know, man. I mean, there's a lot of fight nights. There's a lot of fight nights. And he has a big hammer. It looks really tough. He's got to post them. They got to get 46 of them. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:55 I thought tonight was going to be a breakout performance for this gentleman. But it kind of was, but in a different way. Who should be Kenny fight next after a short notice loss? I saw somebody say reward. Oh, yeah. That's the tweet from a media member. reward him with a fight with Jim Miller because he stepped in on short notice. And I like this individual, but that is just a silly idea and a silly tweet because why would you do that?
Starting point is 00:57:28 Because Jim Miller would have a really good, I mean, I love, I like, Terrence McKinney is a super exciting guy and he will be a super exciting guy every time he fights. But I picked Drew Dober to win for the exact reason that we saw tonight. Drew is tough and he's super durable. And if Terrence, if he, if he, if he, Terrence fight somebody and they can survive that early flurry, then they will win the fight.
Starting point is 00:57:53 Like that's what happens most of the time. Like if he goes in there, stands and trades. And that was like my thing. I was like, what Terrence McKinney are we going to see? We're going to see a Terrence McKinney who feels like he's got nothing to lose. He's going to go in there and just throw bombs of Drew Dover.
Starting point is 00:58:06 That's not a good recipe. Or is he going to be tactical and just take him down 15 times? Because if he does that, he'll win the fight. But the Jim Miller ideas, yeah, he could have. Absolutely could have. The Jim Miller idea, I can't, I don't like it all for the same reasons. Jim, Jim Miller, yeah, he's been finished, but he's still pretty durable.
Starting point is 00:58:27 And if he survives that early onsla, he's going to tap Terrence McKinney in the second round. And that's just not good for Terrence McKinney because now you're just, now he's got two losses in a row. And now you slow the guy down. What you do with Terrence McKinney, Jed, and let's see if you agree with this or not, is you throw him in there with another exciting but less technical guy. You let them have a scrap and you let Terrence McKinney get over, man. Like, I don't have a name in particular. I have a name. I have to look. All right. Give me the name. This gentleman and Mr. McKinney have had several exchanges on Twitter about potentially fighting each other and then not. And then there was like a miscommunication.
Starting point is 00:59:06 And they're all good. They smoothed it all over. But they both admitted to like, yeah, we're probably going to face each other somewhere. And he happens to be fighting next weekend. And I think he's actually not like that great of a lightweight. Well, people like the hell out of Patty Pimblet. And when he beats Sergio Vargas, I would watch the hell out of that fight. And I think it's a good one. I think he beats the crap out of Patty Pimlet.
Starting point is 00:59:31 I think he probably does. But, you know. I want to see it, though. I want to see it. I'm interested in watching that fight. And that feels, I am not. on the we can build Patty Pimbley into a star because I just frankly do not think he is too technically deficient
Starting point is 00:59:46 to make like a good run at this division so Terrence McKinney I think has a lot more promise in that regard so match those two up it'll be a fun fight like I think Alexander Hernandez would be a good fight that'd be like a pretty good name um still feels like maybe a bridge too far Scott Holtzman would be fun well
Starting point is 01:00:16 Hots off I mean they're just gonna go in there and yeah they're just gonna go in there and just have a hockey fight until somebody falls down like that might be the actual choice I wouldn't be bad the reality is I'll take anybody it doesn't matter because if you pick two names
Starting point is 01:00:30 out of a habit lightweight it's gonna be a banger it just doesn't matter and Atta Moikano on that note though I just I just want to say shouts to Drew Dober because while Cleo Roundtree and Javid Basharot had the heartwarming best post fights,
Starting point is 01:00:52 Drew Dober came with the name all in on the Bobby Green fight. Love that call out. There's a great call out. That's a great fight. We might as well go ahead and book that for three months from now. That's a plus effort by a man with a really brilliant chin. like just the profile you can't that's Terrence McKinney that was always screwed up he tried to knock out that guy with that chin come on it was just so cool seeing him up there because he had the chin he was busted up in the face he had like bruises all over his chest his arms like you could I mean he was
Starting point is 01:01:27 whelted up from that beating that Terrence McKinney gave him and he just fought right through it man that was good stuff I know this is a bit of a hot take but I thought when McKinney threw his hat in to fight Islam Mahachev last week was it last week or two weeks ago whatever? Yeah something like that two weeks ago two weeks ago I thought
Starting point is 01:01:50 I think I think McKinney would have had a better shot of beating Mahachev than Bobby Green did you are well it's a hot take because it's obviously an insane take and I respect you for it it's less of a hot take because as I mentioned after that fight
Starting point is 01:02:08 it's not like we would have done substantially worse against Islam. Bobby Green did. Like, it's very hard for anybody to have done worse, which is not a, not casting aspersers on Bobby Green. But people were excited about Bobby Green Islam. Remember the hype that was going on? People were like, whoa, it's going to happen.
Starting point is 01:02:30 That big upset is going to happen. That's a testament to Islam, not a disparation of Bobby Green. Okay. It's the same as a night. knife, like a knife cutting through tissue paper versus a knife cutting through, I don't know, a sterner type of paper. It was a bad analogy. Tissue paper versus like a brown paper towel, I guess, yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:53 Yeah. All I'm saying is, it's not like Bobby Green showed out against Islam. So McKinney couldn't have done much worse. Yeah, Terrence, I mean, Terrence would have approached the exact same way as he approached tonight's fight. He just would have gone in there and swung his ass off. Which I think it would have been interesting. It would have been interesting because Bobby Green didn't do that.
Starting point is 01:03:14 You know, he didn't. But as soon as Islam got a hold of him, like the fight's over. That's what about it. I wrote about that for the site. It was like he has two choices. He can try and win a long fight. Here's how he could do it. He won't win.
Starting point is 01:03:29 But sure. Or he could just go for broke for two minutes. And if he gets and he got it. And if he doesn't, he's done. But, you know, there's value. in that effort. I don't think he should have done it
Starting point is 01:03:40 because he easily took Dober down when they randomly were like connected it wasn't even a take it was like oh Drew's here now he's on the ground
Starting point is 01:03:50 like he could have just done that for 15 minutes and won and my bet would have cashed I'd be happier but he went to the fun thing so I can't be mad
Starting point is 01:03:59 he did a very fun thing are we just as high on McKinney as a fighter coming into this regardless of the outcome I can be I'm just high on him. Now is, I mean, I'm just as high.
Starting point is 01:04:11 He didn't lose anything. Yeah, me too. Me too. I feel that way too. Actually, even if you, even if you were to defeat a Dober, like one more shot, I'll still have kind of McKinney exactly where I have him in my mind. You know, he's like, he's still the same fighter. I feel like.
Starting point is 01:04:25 I think he's just a really fun action fighter. Like, I think that's going to be it. That's a lot of people have had a lot of really successful careers with that. I think of like, like, different versions of like, say, like a Landauvinata type of fighter just like you just know it's going to be crazy you'll never fight for a title but you know it's going to be crazy and those are just fun fights terence wkenny could be like a justing gaichi type of fighter like gachi like was able to take the chaos and control it at some point like in the latter part of his career like once he got to the ufc lost a couple fights it just got a little bit older and
Starting point is 01:05:00 realized like i can't take i can't have many more of these kinds of fights i have to like be a little more assertive with how I approach things because I want to like live a healthy life after fighting and then he's kind of like controlled the chaos a little bit but he could wrestle if he wants to like Terrence McKinney is a very similar guy
Starting point is 01:05:20 like Terran I'm not comparing them right now but McKinney has a lot of like Geethe-esque qualities to him with the way that he fights because Gaetchi like early on in his career just went for broke like just went out there went for broke and then If he didn't get you out of there early A little bit, a little bit. A little bit, yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:40 Right, he got it now. But he didn't like when he first, like, some of it was definitely had some cardio because he's such a nut. But eventually like when he's fighting the pouriers and fighting these other guys. Oh, okay, you're talking about that. Like you could see him fade on the stretch.
Starting point is 01:05:52 I was thinking like WSOF days. Like you're talking about. Oh, God. Yeah. I mean, that's just that, I mean, that version of Justin Gage is just, that's not a human being. That's a real hot.
Starting point is 01:06:05 Great place. Yeah, one more question. You just want to watch this fifth round, don't you guys? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ruses out of here. Real quick. This is my last time on a show because I'm not going to be any shows next week
Starting point is 01:06:17 because I have something to worry about. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Before you make the walk, you're going on the post-fight show. Come on, what are you doing? I'll call it. Yes. So, I don't, if you want to go to the Commerce Casino, you can buy a ticket, 65 bucks.
Starting point is 01:06:33 Tell me, tell them, give them, last name so I get 20% of the ticket. And I don't have the stream link yet, but they said it's streaming and check my social media. I'm sure lots of people will share it. But yeah. So next Saturday, I'll be fighting between 5.30 p.m. and 7 p.m. Not sure what time.
Starting point is 01:06:55 Pacific standard time. So sometime around then. Mike, are we doing a Twitter spaces? We should do it. We should do a Twitter space. This is horrible. This is so scary. Fifth round.
Starting point is 01:07:07 All right. Fifth round going on. We had three and a half minutes left. So I'm going to let you guys go watch the rest of this fight because this is a main event worth talking about. Right here. Mads Bernal, Adam Borge, just getting after it. I mean, this is just ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:07:19 I've turned out for 15 seconds. It's already better than the UFC main event. It was a good night of fights. Overall, solid night for the UFC. It did not end. Yeah, solid weekend. One championship. Don't forget one.
Starting point is 01:07:32 One championship. Haters, baby. It is. All right, we're out of here. For Casey, for Jed, I am Ikech, aka back tomorrow, for on to the next one. Good night, everybody. Love you guys. You're all right.
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