MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 59 Post-Fight Show | Jamahal Hill, Geoff Neal Cap Off Night Of Finishes

Episode Date: August 7, 2022

Jamahal Hill and Geoff Neal kept the perfect night of finishes in tact at the UFC APEX. Following Saturday’s UFC Vegas 59 event, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, José Youngs, and Alexander K. Lee react to Hill’s fourth-round stoppage win over one-time title challenger Thiago Santos in the light heavyweight headliner. In addition, topics include Neal’s career-best performance in stopping always game Vicente Luque in the co-main event, the entire card wildly exceeding expectations, Juliana Miller and Mohammad Usman becoming TUF 30 champions, Terrance McKinney’s quick submission win, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Jose Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. That's celebration music, everybody, because we had ourselves a perfect night. Ten fights, ten finishes. and just when we thought the finish streak might come to an end. We headed to the championship rounds in the main event. Jamal Hill closes the show and is a perfect 10 for 10. First time this has happened since 2014. Second time ever.

And the card that had happened on was headlined by Luke Rockhold knocking out Michael Bisbing in 2014. But hey, listen, sometimes these cards on paper don't look the best. and they deliver on fight night. And that's exactly what happened here. Great win for Jamal Hill, great win for a lot of other people. We have two new tough champions, which I'm sure AK will be thrilled to talk about.

But thank you for joining us. I am Mike Eck. Jose Young's is here as well. The traveling machine. Hello there. I have so many questions about the Sandman, but we'll have to save that for another time. A.K. Lee is in the building

following this tough 30 finale. and E. Casey Liden on the once and twos. We'll hear from him. There he is. We'll hear from him a little bit later as we go to your questions. But Jose, let's begin with you, my man. Jamal Hill comes in. A lot of hype.

A lot of people were kind of writing Tiago Santos off. Tiago Santos, I thought, had a pretty smart game plan tonight. He made Jamal Hill work a little bit. In fact, two of the judges had Tiago Santos up 29, 28, heading into that fourth round. One judge had it at 2928 for Jamal Hill. Your thoughts on, Jamal Hill's performance

and just the fight in general because the fight was way more fun than I thought it was going to be. That's for sure. Yeah, I guess Tiago Santos's game plan wasn't what I expected, but it was the right game plan, if that makes sense.

Like if I'm going to put a game plan together against Jamal Hill who hits really hard and puts people, like his nickname is really like what, sweet dreams because he puts people asleep. If I'm going to formulate a game plan for him, it's going to be to kind of take him off his feet and push him against the fence

and take him down and just take him out of his element. Tiago Santos was doing the best he could. Jamal Hill had pretty good take down defense. Tiago Santos was still, I had him up two rounds. I think we said the judges had him up two rounds too, like you said. Was it one and three for Santos and then two for Jamal Hill? I would agree with that.

So good game plan. Jamal Hill obviously cheated with defense grab. Herb Dean didn't see that. Kick Tiago Santos in the groin and then put them in a neutral position rather than, you know, the advantageous position that Tiago Santos had before getting kicked in the groin. So some things should have gone Tiago Santos's way that clearly didn't. But Jamal Hill, I mean, his cardio wasn't great. He looked pretty exhausted too, as we saw in his post-fight interview.

He could barely string a sentence together without running out of breath. Tiago Santos literally fell over. He was so tired in that fourth round. So I won't say Jamal Hill's cardio was bad. better, it just wasn't as bad as Tiago Santos for this. I think that's the way I would put it. But it was a, it was a really good game plan for Santos as long as it lasted. His body just failed him at the end, not because of damage he was taking, but because he just got exhausted.

And Jamal Hill was just slightly less exhausted and capitalized on it. And there's a sport, that's the game. And he won't say Ferenst, like I won't say Ferenst Square because he did cheat. He just didn't get caught, but he won. And the White Heavy Division has a new title challenger around the corner. Yeah, everybody seemed to react to that. Eric Nixick, of course, reacted to it. And it was like, hey, next time my fighter's in a bad position,

I'm just going to have Neme in the groin getting into a neutral position. And of course, I tagged in my buddy Jed. And I was like, what do we learn here, Jed? Always cheat because it's never going to get called. And there's never any repercussions. But AK, you're a man of rules. Rules rule for you. But the man who ruled the night at the end was Jamal Hill.

So your thoughts on his performance. and we'll talk matchmaking tomorrow, but are you completely sold on this guy right now after this performance? Or are you just like, listen, great win, but boy, we get some work to do here. Yeah, it's exactly the fight he needed at this kind of stage of his career.

He fought a really tough veteran, a veteran that was willing to mix some martial arts, mix things up, a fight in an unexpected way. But he got some of this. He saw some of the striking of Tiago Santos. He saw a lot of the wrestling of Tiago Santos. This is what he needed.

This is what he needed. How old is Tremalya? Jamal is what, 31, I think? 31, 31, I'm very young into his career, though, only started fighting turned pro 2017. So, yeah, listen, he's going to need these experiences. If anything, getting a fight like this against a guy, Chicago Santos, a one-time UFC World Title Challenger,

a guy who took John Jones the limit in your 13th pro bout, I mean, and then to get the win, to gut out a win, even though, you know, it wasn't going his way on a couple of the scorecards, that's impressive, that's impressive. I like the Jan Blahovic callout. I think it might be a little too soon for that. But if he gets it, you're not going to complain if you're his team. I mean, you love that fight.

You're just going to go for it for sure. So not a bad callout at all. I still think that we can take him a little bit slow, but it's going to be hard because he is. I think in our rankings, he'll still be just outside the top 10 probably. I'm not sure what you guys are thinking, but we'll see when the next ranking cycle comes around. And the UFC rankings, though, yeah, he's going to be in the top 10. And obviously that's what's really going to matter to the matchmaker. But yeah, I did not think it was a bad performance by him at all.

Got a little sloppy. He was in danger in some parts. He lost rounds, showed some deficiencies with the wrestling. That's okay. That's okay. But we are very young in the Jamal Hill experience so far. We've seen a lot of them in a short amount of time, but I don't think he's near as good as he's going to be.

So, you know, no major issue with performance. It's good for him for getting that win. And credit to Tiago Santos for putting on, I think, the best effort we've seen from him for a while. Yes, it was, yeah, you're right. I think it was exactly the fight Jamal Hill needed. And I mean, I liked where he went with the callout. I mean, listen, Jose, I totally get where you come from. He's tired.

He just went through a war. You're not going to get on the mic and go crazy. I mean, Connor McGregor did after the second 8-D-S fight. But then he comes out and just I loved what he said at the end. you all going to let that experience stuff go. Y'all ain't ever experienced nobody like me. I've seen plenty like y'all, though. I love that.

That was fantastic stuff. Do you think he gets the Anbolovich fight, Jose? Do you think it's maybe too soon? What are you thinking for him? I don't think. I think it is too soon in terms of how everything is going to play out because it just depends on what the title fight is going to be. It's going to be Yerie Glover.

Then you got Ankylof's in there and you got Yon's in there. So if they want to fight, so be it if they want to wait around. so be it, but I think it might be a little too soon. I just, if he does fight Jan, it'll be by process of elimination because like Ancolaev probably won't fight

until he gets a title fight. Ratchik is hurt and Anthony Smith is hurt. Dom Reyes isn't back yet. And then I guess you could fight Dominic Reyes, but will the UFC match him up with him? Do they want to risk Dominic Gray's losing a fourth fight in a row?

And I assume if he loses to Jamal Hitler be violently. So that would be three straight violent losses. So if he gets the on-fight, it'll just be by process of elimination. But I personally think it's a big step up. But if that's the fight, that's the fight. There are still other fights I would like to see him fight. I know Dusty Jacoby has that fight coming up.

I know Jed said I wouldn't mind that fight, but that might not make sense ranking-wise. Just like the light-heavy division, those two injuries, to Smith and Ratchik. And then the title picture, just kind of clogs everything up. So he might have to fight backwards if he wants to stay active.

Yeah, I feel like Reyes might be sort of the last man standing in this Domino series right now. I think Jan was possible. Like, if he went out there just bolted Tiago in the first round and got him out of there like a lot of people thought he would.

And then he went on the mic and just cut a good promo. I think he had a chance to get the Yon fight. But I think Jan Magabanaikalapalapalap's the fight. And this is not a bad thing at all for Jamal. He could fight the winner of Osedemir in Crylov, I guess. Yeah, that's not a bad one either.

It just depends. I mean, he's probably going to have to sit for a little bit because that was a grueling ass fight. But good for him. Oh, by the way, no, apparently he's fighting, he's going to be fighting August 20th at Welterweight because I don't know if you guys saw the graphic on the UFC broadcasts with the upcoming events. Jamal Hill's going to be fighting Kamar Usman in place of Leon Edwards.

Apparently, that's why you're the best of the game. Poor Leon Edwards, man. The guy just can't catch a break. I mean, he's fighting for a world title. I think he's just fine right now. Yeah. That's good. You're just flying under the radar a little bit more.

So great win for Jamal Hill. We'll see where he goes from here. But A.K. Jeff Neal. Jeff freaking Neal. He regained his name. Okay. Go ahead. Go off on that.

I was just going to ask you that. Did he officially regain the- He is Jeff Neal again. Yeah. The Ponsonivio win was nice, but it wasn't like the most, you know, it wasn't the greatest performance. But, I mean, tough,

tough win, obviously. against a veteran, but boy, everyone was saying it, Mike, you were saying on Twitter today, maybe the best Jeff Neal we've ever seen. Right in the first round, we're like, that might be the best round he's ever fought, and he didn't let up. He just kept up, put the pressure on against a guy who is normally the one who's putting all the pressure on their opponent in Vicente Lucke, outstanding striking, just great, great patience, picked his spots well.

Again, he had Lucke hurt from the beginning and just knew when to, you know, not to do just enough, you know, not to get caught. Because he knows, he had respected Luque. He knew who's dangerous. But, man, and then when the time came to really just put it away in the third round, man, just a bunch of uppercuts, big left hand. It was awesome. It was awesome.

You had, Mike said, you'd said before the fight, like, Neil, very logical upset pick. I don't know if he was your favorite upset pick, but I think, I think you definitely made sure to point that out when we were asked for who are the, you know, the intriguing underdogs. on the pre-fight Q&A. And I know you definitely mentioned Jeff Neal. Yeah, Neil is a talent, man. This was his ninth UFC fight.

He's had a couple of stumbles against, you know, ranked opponents. That's fine. It happens to everyone. But he's got some big wins too, Balam Muhammad on there, as he mentioned. And, of course, now Vigente Luque tonight. So we also said before, who did this, who needed this win more? And we said, you know, Lucke is going to be really tough for him to be a contender again or to be viewed as a contender if he drops this one.

And especially the way he dropped this night, I think getting pretty, pretty thoroughly beaten by Jeff Neal. Big climbback for Lucé, but Neil, I mean, you can tell me that you could, you tell me this guy's two fights away from a, from a title shot. I'm all in. I really believe it. Yeah, tremendous performance. And I know we didn't have you on the preview show, Jose, but I'm sure this is the one like everybody else, you had circled on this card in terms of high-level martial arts and the potential for violence. And this one certainly delivered, but Jeff Neal was the one out-violencing basically the Walterway King of Violence.

Your thoughts on Jeff Neal's performance and good night for Fordus M.A. Was it not? Yeah, seriously. It's been a good couple of weeks for Fordus M.A. But yeah, this is, Jeff Neal has never looked better. And I don't know,

and I don't want to take anything away from his performance, but Vicentee Lucas' strategy was very strange to just kind of stand there. squared up. I did, like, Jeff Neal,

like, did it need to kick? He didn't need to do any take downs. He just jabbed and punched Vicente Lucke until Vicente Lucke just, his body just fell apart against the fence. So,

strange strategy for Vicente Luque, but good on Jeff Neal for taking advantage of that. Like, you just, Vicentee Leuke just looked square and boxed up, and there was just like this big target between his hands. That was like, punch me in the face,

please. And Jeff Neal did that a lot until Vicente Luca just collapsed. So good on Jeff Neal for high fight IQ to just take advantage of that opening. And I guess poor fight IQ on Vicente Luque's part for not adjusting the game plan and closing up his defense a bit.

But Vesende Lukie is also tough as hell. Like he, I'm surprised he got out of the first round, let alone make it to the third round. So his toughness shown through, just Jeff Neal just hits really freaking hard. His name's hands of steel for a reason. So yeah, good on him. Yeah, tremendous.

this performance. So let me ask you, Jose, where does Jeff Deo go from here? He calls out Gilbert Burns. Like, I actually dug the call-out a lot. He goes, hey, listen, I'm going to be number six. You're Vicente's teammate. Essentially, here's your chance to get one back for your guy. I think the fight makes a lot of sense.

I mean, I liked the call-out. Do you feel like he's going to get a fight like that? Is that possible for him after this performance? I don't think so. I think Gilbert Burns is probably going to fight. Like, Google Burns is trying to fight Horri Mosvd, Jorge Maaswell is trying to fight. Connum Greger.

Colby Cumberton is nowhere to be seen. Hamzad is fighting a guy that's unranked. So the top five of the Weld's Away Division is just silly right now. So I guess, like, who do you give him? Like, the winner of Balal Muhammad versus Sean Brady? Like, he already has a win over Balah Muhammad. Blah Mohamed tweeted,

I've never lost to anything twice in my life. So I'm sure if the division is so clogged up, from my experience interacting with MMA fighters, They don't normally mind rematching a guy that beat them because they want that win back. Now, if Philan Muhammad has moved on, so be it. But Sean Brady is, what, 10th, 11th in our ranking? So he would make sense. So maybe the winner of that, he's already lost to Stephen Thompson, right?

If I remember correctly, or am I thinking of Vicente Lucas? Yeah, he lost. So they both have. Yeah, they both have. Yeah, they both walked. So I don't know. The top of the Wells away division just needs to get their act together. So we can get fun fights.

but again, it's like heavyweight. Just process of elimination. Last man standing might just be the winner of Bala Muhammad and Sean Brady. Or hell, I'll watch him fight Daniel Rodriguez whenever he comes back. That sounds like a fun fight. Well, I will say there is another very popular name that has been thrown out there. I don't like it as much as the Gilbert Burns one. I actually Gilbert makes sense just because Gilbert's aim as hell.

And if Gilbert's going to fight by the end of the year, I feel like Jeff Diels is best shot because I just don't think unless like this whole thing with with Mazel gets cleared up in the next couple of weeks which you know it may happen but it may not there it is there it is a lot of people want to see Jeff Neal versus Shafcott Rockingoff yeah I got some it's in my DMs it's in my DMs a lot of people yeah I don't know maybe the way if they have to go doesn't uh doesn't Kevin Holland have a win over Jeff and you know on the regional scene he sure does right yeah would not mind right now in the UFC Yeah. Double 10. Listen, you want to put Kevin and Jeff Neal on that September 10th card? Go right ahead. Like put a welterway fight on that card, please. Someone like that we would want to see fight.

I know that these guys, AKA somewhat trained together, but I feel like Luke A.K. might be the guy that Chofcott's going to have to fight next at this point. Luke has already said that even though they have trained together from time to time at Sanford, and May, he would fight Shafcott. Like he has said that before. I feel like this is what's going to happen.

Do you think that? Because what do we do with Lou Geh now? He's in a really tough spot after the second loss. I mean, honestly, listen, yeah, I think you ignore the rankings. I don't think he needs to fight anyone in the top 15. I really don't. I think the two losses, if anything, kind of liberate him from any rankings talk. It sucks.

If you're him, of course, you want to fight some of the rankings. You want to get a win and get back in that title talk. But it's like I said, I don't know if the matchmakers are going to view him that way. I said with a loss, I certainly wouldn't. I think he's certainly a top 15 talent, but he does not need to keep fighting top 15 guys. Let me take a quick look at my rankings here. Who do I?

He's almost like a fun fights guy now. It sounds bad. I like the Dale Arrida suggestion that Jose just threw out there. I don't know. Li Jingle. Like, I just think there's a lot of fun fights for him. And I don't know. Sure.

I don't know if he needs to worry about what fight keeps. me in title contention. It really sucks to say because we all want to see it. We all think he's put in the work. I mean, what, he won, what, four straight, five straight, nine out of ten at one point, probably deserves a title shot over guys like, you know, like Jorge Mosvidal, who, you know, or whatever, Winstreet that got him a title fight. It's who you beat.

His biggest win is Keisa. Taran Woodley, well past his best before date, unfortunately. And now he's got these two losses. So, yeah, I don't know. If he gets shop caught, sure. I'm sure he'd do it. like I said, whether they train together or not, it's a great fight for him to get.

But I just hope they put him in a fun fight. Let's see if we can, you know, rebuild him that way. And maybe he can sort of accidentally trip it back into, you know, title talks in the future. But I don't think that needs to be a concern for him or his team right now. Kevin Hollander, Daniel Rodriguez, would fit well in that other spot as well. So, I mean, there are plenty of fun fights for him. Boarding for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes.

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Muhammad Usman, the big underdog, gets it done, brutal knockout. And Juliana Miller cash. is a favorite, gets it done. So basically, and I listened to No Betts Bard, by the way. No, did anybody took your advice? I did not. But if anybody took your advice, they lost a bunch of money. So your thoughts on how these two fights played out?

Who impressed you more? What are you thinking? A few things here. First of all, let me address a broader point here that I see in the comments, people saying like, oh, you guys owe this card an apology. And it's like for like saying. Oh, God, no. I'm just very briefly.

guys, the card looked bad on paper. If you think the card looks good on paper, just type right now, there's no such thing as a bad UFC card on paper. That's fine. If you love the UFC and you think like every card deserves to be, you know, judge shouldn't be judged until I'm just over,

that's fine, that's fine. But if we're doing previews of a card and we have to say some cars look good, some cars look bad, this card looks really bad. If you predicted 10, if you predicted 10 finishes, you're a frigging genius, all right? You predicted like one of the most surprisingly exciting cards of the year.

But come on now, guys. it's bad on paper, we're not a positive for that. I am going to apologize for my ultimate fighter advice because, like, as you mentioned, it was brought up on no bets barred. I was not actually on no bets barred. I had consulted the esteemed Jed Michoud before the, they recorded that episode. And I said, yeah, like, Brogan Walker, more experience. She's got a win over Miranda Maverick.

She's fought good for, she's fought Aaron Flanchfield. It didn't look that great against her, but she's fought better competition. Julianna Miller only three pro bouts She looked better in the house sure But I'm like I think experience is going to matter And Zach Paga looked much better than Mohamed Usman in the house Mo Ouzman has kind of like

Been one of those guys who you people have been waiting for a long time From a breakthrough it hasn't quite happened So perhaps I had given up on that So I was like Paga Brogan Walker Mark it down those are my picks for the old fish fighter finale's I watch I watch hours of this show I'm the only people who watched this show

Surely the time I spent watching this show gives me some sort of insight into who's going to win these fights. Sure enough, Julianna Miller, third round TKO, and Muhammad, who's men, highlight real knockout of Zach Faga. I stand by the analysis. I was super, super wrong. So I will, yes, if I'm going to apologize for anything, it's not judging the quality card.

It's definitely judging who was going to win these fights. I think, I don't have it written down anywhere. I think I have a pretty bad record, actually, a picking Ultronite Fighter for, finale's. I probably should have mentioned that at some point. Some scenes are really easy. Actually, some of the recent ones, but if you go back, I have a real, there was a stretch there. I must have picked like six or seven seasons in a row. I must have picked like one winner out of however many tough tournaments they had during those seasons. So, yeah, listen, I had my reasons. They made sense on paper. I didn't know Brogan Walker was going to try and win a clinch

battle that she couldn't win. That's fine. Listen, she knows more about fighting than I do. She thought that that was going to work. It didn't work. It happens. And I did not know that Moeusman was going to explode like that because I think Zach Paga won the first round pretty clearly. I thought we're going to see three rounds of that. But hey, great, great job by Usman, landed a beautiful shot and put Paga right out. One judge actually scored the first round for Usman, which was, which is pretty interesting. And by the way, it's overwhelming for Paga, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And for those who are saying you owe this card an apology, stop it. Because if you watch, like if you're an NFL fan and there's

a Thursday night football game and it's the freaking Falcons and the Texans. Like that game sucks on paper. It's a horrible football game on paper. And if they go out and just have a slug fest and play and score 100 points total, like it doesn't change the fact that the two teams and

that on paper are not like very good. Like it's not just a great matchup if it's the only game to watch. And we're all going to watch it anyways because we're football fans and we're all going to watch all these cards because we're MMA fans but some cards are better than others. this one delivered.

It's nice to over exceed expectations. I covered a Bellator card at Bridgeport, Connecticut. The card was not good. It was God awful on paper. Every fight was finished. And as a person in the building, it was entertaining and fun to watch, but it didn't take away from the fact that on paper,

it wasn't going to keep everybody in on a Saturday night to watch fights when they could have gone out and done other things. That's all we were saying. We're not dumping on the fighters or anything like that. This was the lineup. We're coming off two pretty solid cards back to back, coming off of a pay-per-view, it's not easy to do what the UFC does when you have to fill these spots.

But if a card is not tremendous on paper, we are allowed to say that it's not tremendous on paper. And now we're all happy, over-exceeded expectations. So let's leave that garbage alone. Yeah, it's a really fun card. It turned out to be a fun card. Let's focus on that. It was fun. Great, great.

Yeah, we've had some great highlights. So there you go. Yeah, but don't play the, oh, you owe this card, apology. Because guess what? You were saying the same thing yesterday and the day before. No, Mike, what do you mean? We got a lot of geniuses in the comments. You're like, oh, I knew this car.

Oh, I told you. I knew it would be 10 finishes. Okay, all right, all right. All right. All right. All right. Come. All right.

Come on. Okay. Do we have bonuses yet? I haven't seen them. I don't know if anyone's seen them. We will let you know what they are when they come out. But I've not seen the bonuses yet. As soon as they come out, we will let you know.

But great win for Sergey Spivak. He looked real good. He just brutalized Augusta Sakai from start to finish. But let's talk about Terrence McKinney, Jose. This guy, we talked a lot about him on the People's Free Fight Show. He's just doing everything right. All his fights are awesome. His finishes are great.

Even his losses are fantastic to watch. And just everything this man is doing on social media, he's getting a little bit of a progenal push, but everything this guy has earned, he has done by himself. And it's been pretty damn impressive to watch how popular this guy. guy gets on his own, just doing everything right in and out of the octagon. This guy could be a big star for this company. And he just went out there and treated Eric Gonzalez accordingly. He was almost a minus 1,000 favorite by the time this fight closed. And he looked every bit of that. How high is this

man's ceiling, Jose, especially after watching another tremendous finish tonight? I mean, how high is his ceiling? It's a good question, because he's in a very tough division. But I feel like as much of the, as, as popular as Patty Pimlet is and as much we get asked about Patty Pimlet, if you look at their skill sets, Terrence McKinney might have a better background to have a longer and more successful MMA maker in terms of wins and losses because he does come from high level wrestling background in the northwest of America. But Patty Pimlet obviously has the grappling and he gets punched a lot. And Terrence McKinney also gets punched a lot. And his fights are also exciting when I lost, like you said.

So I'm not going to say he's going to make as much money or be as popular as Patty Pimbleau because a lot of people are calling Patty Pindler like this next Conrader. I'm not saying Terrence McKinney is that, but he's doing everything that Patty's doing. He's just not, he's just doing it without the Scouser accent and without Molly McCann next to him. So I guess Terrence McKinney, he could be this next big wave of lightweights in America that kind of takes the 155 pound division by storm

but in terms of his ceiling in terms of wins and losses he says he's going to be champion he says like I'm going to be champion by the time I'm 30 years old or something like that so I guess that's his ceiling that he is set for himself being championed by whatever age he said I don't think he'll get there by that date

because it seems very quick very fast but yeah I don't know like I don't know I want to see him fight another guy like Drew Dover because all the guys that he's beaten he should beat in the way he's beating them. I want to see it like outside of the frivolal win that was just that was nuts. What was that like seven seconds? Something like that. Yeah. Yeah, let's give him another fight against a guy like Drew Dover like just outside of the top 20 and then we can have a better answer. I would like to see him face a guy that

can test him. I have a tremendous answer for this question for onto the next one tomorrow and I think it makes perfect sense. What did you think, AK? Terrence McKinney. I mean the guy just continues to get out there, come out there and just kind of light the world on fire. And he's got his phone, like he tweets before he walks out. And then like 20 seconds after his post of an interview, he's tweeting again. The guy's just, he's just fun to watch. He's fun to watch on social media. He's fun to watch inside the Octagon.

And you did it again tonight, AK. I'm such a fan. Listen, I'm Mr. I'm Mr. Let's not like talk up a prospect's chances, you know, so early. I've poured the, you know, cold water and so many people we brought up like Aaron Blanchfield. And even last, who was it last week? Who was it last week? There was someone last, some, oh, I'm like a Muhammad Mikhail. I'm like, oh, come on, guys.

Like, stop saying two division champion. I don't even know if he wins one title. Like, I'm the first one to, you know, poor Coldwater, these things. It helps that McKinney is a little bit older. He's 27. I feel like he's, again, I have a little bit better idea of who he is just as a person, as a human being, and then just physically, you know, what he is and his fighting style. So I'm a little bit more willing to kind of jump on,

even though the level of UFC UFC experience is similar to some of the other names that we've kind of like pushed really hard as future champions. So but but yeah, four fights. I've seen a lot of what I need to see. Even the Dober loss,

the fact that he took that on short notice and really had a Dober in a bit of trouble early. That says a lot to me. So I think he's going to, I really think he's going to clean up his game. I think there's going to be more loss to come too. Like if we're going with the goal of 30 years old and we're saying I said like 2024,

I could seem fighting for a title, maybe 2025. Again, he's 27 now. 30s his goal. He's going to have loss in between two. I don't think he wins like necessarily the next six fights and just rushes to the top. He might win his next two and then get a top top seven, top eight opponent and lose that one. So I think he's headed down the right path.

I think he has the right attitude about it. I love the confidence. You know, all the, of course, everyone goes in the UFC thinking they're going to be champion, but he's kind of been able to back it up in a really substantial way, just the way he goes after people. He says, I'm a finisher. I'm going to finish quickly. And that's what he does. That's what he does.

Again, he almost did as Drew Dover too. So we'll see. There's still a lot of evolving to do. Again, 18 months from now, I think, you know, we could see him as a very different fighter than he is now. But it's really exciting. I'm very high on his chances at being a UFC title contender at the very least. Eric Gonzalez, you know, hey, listen, not a top, whatever, not a top 30 guy, not the greatest, most toughest guy in the lightweight division. But a very exciting performance.

And we'll see if he lines up, lines something up. Guess that patty fight, man, it's not going to even matter. So in our garden because you know, Patty Pimler does not want to fight in New York. He's pretty much ruled that out, I guess, unless I could have to pay him an exorbitant amount of money. And even then, then maybe he wouldn't want to do it even more because of the tax man. It's going to take a bigger chunk. But if he can get that fight somewhere, even if he has to go to London to get it, I mean, Terrence, we can't any jump on that? Because that would be, yeah, that would just be enormous for his profile.

Casey, we have, I don't know if these are all the bonuses, but we have, oh, no, we have all the bonuses. If you want to hit the breaking news music, there we go. Fight of the night, the main event, Tiago Santos versus Jamal Hill. Not one, not two, but three performance bonuses. Muhammad Usman, Jeff Neal, and Brian with a Y battle gets it done. Brian Battle gets $50,000, as he should,

because that head kick knock out was unbelievable. Now his math skills and his phonics skills may not be up to par, but who cares? You know, that kick in the face took away all of that. That was an incredible performance. So I thought we'd get more bonuses than that, AK. Poppins. You surprised we only got three performance bonuses.

She should have definitely got a bonus. The first von flu choked by a woman in UFC history? What the, and also what a statement they would have made if they gave a bonus to every fighter tonight for, again, only the second time in history, as you mentioned, that this has ever happened. Now, that would have used to see a lot of money, but they've got a lot of money. Can we say with confidence that the fight of the night and two performance bonuses, like,

standard is pretty much over? I feel like over the last two months, we've had more cards that didn't follow that structure than have, right? Am I crazy? Because there's been, like, one's like a fight of the night and four performance bonuses. And then there's one, everyone got a finish, got a bonus with one of those cards. They've deviated from a little bit, as they should. Again, it really should get to the point where every finish gets a bonus.

I don't think they'll ever do that, but that's what I would like to see. And certainly tonight, it would have been a really, and guess what? They could have rubbed it in the so-called media faces because they could have been like, oh, you guys thought this card was bad? Guess what?

Every fighter got put on a performance winning bonus. This is one of the best cards we've ever put on. That would have been a great statement to make. And most importantly, more fighters would have got some extra cash. So, yeah, it would have been nice. It would have been really nice for Poppins, for Mayor de Buenos Silva, everyone, everyone that got to finish tonight to get that 50 Gs.

But, well, at least people who got it, I think deserved it. I got no problem with it. But I would have at least done one more for Courtney McKenna. Yeah, and Spivak just ran over, man, who was very tough to finish. Like, he's just, Sakai was just in there trying to stay in there. And Spivak just kept a common, man. That was a great performance. That was a statement win for him.

And he got on the microphone, like our comments are just said. And he begged for that bonus. And he didn't get it. So before you move on to. the peeps. Jose, one more thing on Terrence McKinney, A.K. had mentioned it, so I'll get your thoughts on it. Terrence Schendy gets on the mic and he calls out Patty the Batty. It says October 22nd or we do it in MSG.

I think MSG is like the perfect place for that fight. I do understand Patty's hesitation, taxes, all that stuff. That's what you have to do as a fighter. James Krause has lived his life like that. If a fight isn't a place where the taxes aren't high, he'll go. If it's a place where the taxes are high, he ain't going to fight there. So is this the fight to make or do we need to keep these two apart for as long as possible? I keep them apart until at least they're inside the top 15 because there's a lot of money to be made with these two.

And I know I always talk about how this is a sport and they should fight if the rankings matter. But you rarely do strike lightning like this where you get these two really exciting prospects who are really good on the mic and really good at social media. and they have a lot of fans, and they've just naturally become fan favorites just by being themselves, and they also happen to be very high-level fighters. I would keep them apart until at least they're inside the top 15

because then it would be a much bigger deal. Now, at that point, Patty might just become a megastar, like that everyone knows, and then it might not make sense, so you risk that. But at the same time, if you give him Terrence McKinney now, I wouldn't be surprised if Terrence McKinney wins, and then you just lose the luster of Patty Pimlet before he even fights a big name.

So I would keep them apart. There are other names that they could fight and I would still be interested in. And in maybe two years from now when they're in the top 15 and they have a lot of wins and losses under their record, then it would be fun just as fun and it could make even more money.

So keep them apart. Terrence McKinney, I don't know how high a ceiling is going to be. I don't know if this is going to be a guy who fights with the belt. But at worst, he's going to be like Gaichi-esque, Vicente Lucke-esque, where he's like must.

He'll be like must watch television over the next couple of years. Like just think of the fight, like just think like two to three years from now, like the evolution of McKinney's game when he's fighting guys like Fiziv, fighting guys like potentially Gaichy, Poria, Chandler, like those fights, not now, you don't do them now, but like two, three years from now when McKinney's like all that greenness sort of turns to gold. Oh, man. Like, this is going to be an exciting guy to watch.

Like, he might not win the belt, but he's going to be a guy who's going to win a lot of bonuses. He's going to be on a lot of main cards. He might headline a bunch of fight nights. I'm excited to see where this guy goes. It's hockey season, and you can get anything you need delivered with Uber Eats. Well, almost,

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They're very vocal. Thank you, everyone who's commenting. Everyone jumping in the comments. They're all welcome. They're all welcome regardless of quality. Thank you guys. This card to me was like when I went and saw Anchorman for the first time because I thought watching the previews of Anchorman was junk.

I was like, oh, this movie should be so stupid. And then I walked to the, and then I went and watch it. I'm like, this movie was hilarious. It was great. And this is not like 38, 39 year old dad Mike. This is like 20 year old idiot Mike who it was just the bright movie at the right time. And it just overexeded. And speaking of Anchorman, the UFC will be in the Wells and China next week.

Oh, okay. Oh, man. We have to agree to disagree. I just watched that. I just watched it again the other week. All right. There's a couple extra fights on that one. Angela Hill, Boudinez is now on that card.

Moving up two freaking months. Those two are just absolute gamers. Priscilla Kachewera and Ariani Lipski is on that card. even though like it was kind of it's the plan but it's not 100% done yet uh looks like the jason wits josh quinlin fight there's a chance that it ends up on that card it all depends on jefftiviske spoke with the media about what happened with josh quinlin very similar to john jones nothing that's going to keep him out nothing that the nevada state athletic commission is they're not worried about him fighting outside of las Vegas or anything like that it was just something

it was a precaution they needed to do their research you saw a did theirs. He's clear. There'll be no suspension or anything like that. But Andy Foster is the gold standard when it comes to commission work. So he's going to just dot his eyes and cross his T's T's. And once he does that, that fight will probably be added, but it's just not 100% added yet. Last night, it was like all systems go. And then apparently they were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, not so fast. And that's what bums me out, actually, that the UFC had two fights drop off. They didn't have to pay those fighters their full amounts. So there was extra money there

and there was all these freaking finishes tonight on a card that was really everyone shit on and give some more money out. Give some more money out, UFC. And again, they would Casey, they could have rubbed it in our faces. They could have, they could have

rubbed it in our face on multiple levels. One, our criticism of the card, they could have said, look, all the bonus. Plus also, oh, you say all the media is always talking about fighter pay. Look at us giving money away. Look how gregarious we are. We're giving money away. Like, you could, UFC, you really could have stuck it. You really could have stuck it to us.

You really could have stuck it to us and help the fighters at the same time. And you missed out. What a missed opportunity. Give us, give us hell, Quimby. Give us hell, Quimby. Can you imagine, can you imagine, can't have Danaway walked up to the post-vite press conference with like an 8 by 10 framed photo? And he turned it around. It was the one of you that was on that bash the media video.

Yeah, exactly. He's just like, everyone's getting the photo. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, a guy. I don't like this for your gymnastics scale. buddy like he could have stuck i would what would i have said if he had given bonus everyone i would say i would have said i could have nothing to say it shut me right up instead i'm here on this post fight show talking and annoying all these people but uh i want to read a comment from uh max rapkin who said if uh if fight nights had crypto bonuses tell me that sam alvey wouldn't have gotten that 30k

bonus oh yeah for sure oh for sure he would have we even talk about him oh oh oh oh oh what because that was this that was this story of the night because we saw a record we We saw MMA history tonight. Where were you? J. Pan's record got broken. So, so here, I'm going to be honest with everybody. It was right around this time where my whole day changed. Like, I felt fine.

And then all of a sudden, like, after Sam Alvey got brutally knocked out, like, I now feel like I got run over by a Mack truck. I feel like super sick right now. And it's, I'm sweating profusely. It's really bad. but it happened right after that and Jose let me start with you on this fight I came into this fight with really

really tampered expectations I try to be positive I said Sam Malv was going to have some moments in the first round he might even hurt oligzechek and then Olegzechuk was going to stop him in the second round after he survived it but so I expected to be like somewhat sad like roll my eyes a little bit like enough is enough but this seeing how this played out

and seeing his whole freaking family in the building like everybody there it was just really sad, man. Like, I, I, uh, it was way worse than I thought I was going to be Jose. Yeah, it wasn't great. It also didn't help that he barely, it also held that he barely made weight. So it was like, what was he, like 15 pounds over like two days before,

20 pounds over two days before going back to middleweight. Like the days of, remember when Sam Alvey was just knocking people out? That was weird. That was a weird time in our lives. Remember he knocked out like, Seza Farheda? And I was like, this is just, that man just knocked out Sazza Vaheda and now he has BJ Penn's record like what a weird time in our lives so yeah but wasn't great to watch once they cut to his family I'm like well I don't want to see that because I know what's about I know what's about to happen and I don't want to see his family right now this is it right okay like this is it we can't do this again right no no last last fight on his contract it would just be unreasonable I don't care if he says oh I'll I'll come back for half and why would he do that I don't think even Sam Alvey would do that um yeah yeah Last fight, he fought it out.

They let him fight it out. He said he got, you know, he spoke to them before, like, after that loss of Brendan Allen, he thought he was already going to get canned and he was just so happy to give him another shot. And I think this is it. Like, it's everyone wanted into this last fight with the best of intentions, I want to say. But this is it in the UFC. Hopefully, I hope Sam Elvey has enough money to retire. And maybe this is it for him as a fighter.

But it, I'm very, I fully expect to see him in Beltaur, Eagle FC somewhere within the next, 12 months. Remember he beat. You say Bellatory? You think, you think, but, oh, no way, Bellatory touches this. I don't know. He's got a name.

No, what, no. We know we are talking about it. No, Beto is we're talking about him. Bekeh. Remember what Sam Alvi be Rashad Evans in Mexico City on the pre-lims? That was weird too. Yep. Now, if, I will say this, I will say this.

If I don't want to see any more San Alvey fights ever again. But if there's one, if there's one that can be made, and it's like a guarantee, it's the final flight. You do the rematch with Rashad. You do the rematch with Rashad. Like, I'm okay with that. Rashan like that other than that? Yeah.

Yeah, he fought Eagle FC. You go, Ego FC. Yeah, you're right. Ego FC. Yeah, those two guys, that's it. And Dave Feldman, here's a message for you. To paraphrase a very popular song, Hey, Feldman, leave this man alone.

Do not call Sam Alvey. Do not call his management team. Leave this man alone. You want to bring him out to sit cage side for a fight. You want to put him on the broadcast team. You want him to do back. stage interviews. Do I'm do in cage interviews after the fight? Totally okay. But this man should not be competing in your ring. Don't do it. You know, he should fight. He should complete,

he should complete the trilogy with Gerald Mearshot. Three fights, three different promotions. Make it happen. I don't hate that idea. They're one and one of them. I know they're one and it's got to be a 205 though. It's got to be a 205 though. Because they fought I they I want to say they fought like five years apart. And for like two super random promotions with like really funny, because I wrote a story on San Alvi like years ago and they, they were like hilarious promoter names. It was like combat, iron fist, 43 or something weird like that. It was like it was very regional MMA.

And let's a time frame is my line up. Sam Alvey fought in Belator already. So he would be going back to Melator. Do you guys Sam Alvey had the win over Jason? Sam Alvey took the loss

in Combat USA and then Sam Alvey got the win at NAFC Mega Brawl in May 2016 Yeah That dude is crazy

I'm pretty Wait wait wait Hey can you say Mega Bra one more time Again Just say it Mega brawl And I'm pretty sure

And I'm pretty sure He can be that was like a situation because I'm assuming this because I know he was the MFC champion shout out to our Canadian MMA promotions and they're like oh you need another win to get to the UFC so he just won an MFC and then took a fight like a week later it gets Gerald Mirchart won and then went and fall on the UFC which I was at his UFC day ago Bangor Man he he had to go on the ultimate fighter Sam Alvey he might have been oh that might have been that might have been before MFC he was on the ultimate

fighter and he fought at welterweight twice he actually waited at 170 twice he used to be a waltrow wait no no no no i think he i pretty sure he had never fought at welterweight before doing the old wood fighter so he did the reverse thing you know most people in the oldter fighter they go they fight a weight class now so that he did the opposite he went to a weight class down and had to make 170 well i guess once we're going to the house and then once to fight in the house unsurprisingly he got lost he lost the first round because he looked very drained uh in his first fight so he didn't make it past the first ride. He looked, you guys can find that episode in Fight Pass. He does, he looks almost

unrecognizable at 170. It was not a good idea at all. Was he smiling? Of course. Seeing middleweight seeing middleweight Kenny Florian on the first season of tough things. Unbelievable. And, and listen, the timing

could work out because Gerald Mirchard is fighting next Saturday against Bruno Silva. So maybe the timelines could, uh, could line up. There's the trilogy, gentlemen. All right. Let's talk about the very first fight of the card. Myra Buanna Silva versus Stephanie

Eager, what the hell was going to hell as the pre-show wraps. You know, they said the judges were not needed tonight, not true, because the judges were needed in this fight, because it was very strange. If you guys missed it, there was an arm bar, no one saw what happened. Chris Tione, we thought

Chris Tioni was doing Chris Tioni like things. Turns out there was potentially a tap. He goes to the judges, and they kind of like pull it, and turns out that there was definitely a tap upon all the different replays and it was called correctly. So yeah, this is. Actually, Chris, I only did the right.

I think it looked weird, but I think he actually did everything correct. Yeah, it was odd because of the positioning. And there was no good camera angle. And it wasn't the UFC's fault. It wasn't anyone's fault. It's just that's just how bites end up sometimes. And yeah, and Stephanie Yeager tried to pull a fast one. That's about it.

Which you should do, what you should do. You should try to do as much as possible. but sometimes if you cheat, you get caught, and this time it worked out. Silva, great job, great performance. Eggers tough was on a nice little run, and someone out there and did the damn thing. It was a strange start to this card, AK, was it not?

Yeah, and it was bizarre, Silva's reaction was bizarre. Eggers' reaction was also strange. I see Agar taking a lot of crap for kind of not being more forthcoming if she tapped. I get it, but I think, obviously, she regretted tapping in the moment, And then I think when the referee's like kind of, when she saw the referee was confused, I think she thought like, oh, oh, did he not see it?

She's like, oh, she, and then so she didn't want to commit either way. She didn't want to suddenly like start protesting. She knew she knew she tapped. That's why there was no, oh, what do you do, no one? Why didn't that? That didn't happen. But then rather than admit it right away when she realized that there was like, she was being asked, she probably thought like, wait a minute, like, just very, like not in depth,

but thinking like, wait, is this, is this no contest if I say nothing? Is this like how, you know, so I don't know if Stephanie Egger meant to be like a terrible sport in that situation. Yeah, I guess she should just come out and admitted it. But I think she saw when there was all this deliberation over it, she's like, well, if they don't know if I, you know, they don't know yet. Why should I, you know. Was it just a couple weeks ago when the same thing happened to have Limos and Michelle Waterson. The rest didn't see the tap. And but Michelle respected the fact.

Oh, Limos respected the tap and Michelle just goes, hey, I tapped. And, you know, Edgar pulled a, try to pull a pass one. But yeah, sorry, Jose. It's how Anthony Pettis won the title. Benson Henderson audibly tapped and Pettis let go. They go before the ref even. Yeah. He was like, what?

And then Benson was like, yep, I lost. I lost. Yeah. Question, though, if that ref didn't see it or the ref goes, I don't know, what happens, then? Do they just start the fight? The judge they asked. I'm sorry, if the judge asked. I think at that point, you have to go to a no contest, I think.

I think you just have to. some sort of weird No con. But that's insane to be a no contest. Why just restart from both standing and all right? That's not fair to Myrono Silva because then she,

why does she have to go back to standing when she arguably finished a fight? Then that's not fair. That's not fair to her then. I want to. Right? The fight was called. The fight was called.

The fight was stopped. What do you mean the fight was called? It was called. He stepped in and touched one of the, he touched the fighters. So he called the fight. He said the fight's over. The fight's over.

The fight's over. You win? Silva wins? I think, I mean, But if he didn't see the tap, I don't think he can make that. So what was he stopping then? If he didn't see a tap, what was he stopping? Because she stopped.

She didn't stop anything. No, Mayor Brunossova, let go. She stopped. Yeah, but that doesn't stop the fight. That doesn't stop the fight. It used to be. No, but the fight doesn't, the fight still, you can let go of submission. The fight still goes on.

Yeah, but then he stopped the fight. Yeah, but so why did he stop the fight? That's why I think he was just, barred and was just like, oh, I guess she tapped. Like because Bueno Silva said She tapped So then he walked in

And was like she tapped And then he waved it off Yeah once he does that He just was cut off card So immediately gave the wind of silver And then he was just kind of Checking it Yeah

Making sure He asked Stephanie Eager And he goes Did you tap And her answer was silence So then he was to do Yeah because now Because the replay rules that changed

You can restart a fight If you That's what I thought. Yeah. Before you put it, now you can. Now you can go, A.K.

Jeez. No, the rules. I don't think he would. Oh, I don't think he would. Oh, okay.

Mr. Mr. rules, apparently you can just like, let go of, stop fighting, and the referee is supposed to like acknowledge that.

Come on now. Yeah, you can. You don't have, if you can, let go, the fight doesn't, but you're wondering why the fight was stopped. I'm like,

I think it's pretty clear why the fight was stopped. I don't think it's a mystery. No, no, you're, No, no, that's what I'm saying. The fight, it's pretty obvious.

Well, no, it's not. It wasn't pretty obvious because if the fight was stopped, then the fight's over. He started talking to the judges. He started talking to the judges and asked calling for replay. He did this. That's, I guess that means. And you saw as soon as he did this, the judge, like, picked up a siren, like one of those orange sirens and put it on the table. And I was like, this is awesome.

This is the best. Finally, we get to use the orange siren. People are asking, people are asking, like, is this, what? Is this legal? Or was this right what Chris Taroni did? And it's like Aaron Bronstetter and I think Sean Sheehan both mentioned, yeah, this is actually something that they do. If you're, it's kind of inclusive, you have to pull the judges.

That's the exact wording of it. And they were mentioned like it rarely happens obviously at the UFC level or even a Bellator level, like major league level. Apparently happens on, you know, smaller shows, more, more common on smaller shows, especially where they don't have so many cameras, right? So it's like on smaller shows, you kind of just have to rely on whose ever cage side. So yeah, this is, they do have a mechanism for inconclusive kind of. spotting finishes.

So yeah, Chris Ioni pretty well handled. A plus. Remember when they watched the replay when we were at that Denver card, Casey, with the,

Chad Skile of Bobby Moffitt? Yeah. He asked the replay for that too. And they like decided that he didn't tap but like the fight was over. So it was something weird.

Yeah, I think Moffat officially got the loss that night, but then it got overturned to no content. Well, Chaskelly got, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

Chaskelly got officially got the loss of the night. That one was weird because it was overturned like a long, Long time, yeah. Like, a year later. Yeah, it was a long time. Like, I forgot like, what?

Oh, yeah, I was there. Have we seen a restart since they implemented the new replay rule? I don't know. We seem to a pause, call for replay, and then, yeah, just reset. I don't remember. I don't have. Shout out some of the guys, guys in the chat. If you guys remember in the chat, give us an example.

But I don't think it's, because it hasn't come up that many times for one thing. And then, yeah, and then to actually get a restart, it just have to be, it's pretty difficult call to make. So, yeah, I don't think we've seen it. All right. Thank you. All right. Kind of answer my questions, I guess. Yeah, we'll take a couple more.

Cool, cool. Yeah, we guys. Where is that question? I think it's Juju. Who's Jojo's first UFC fight? Is that a trivia question? Who did Joanne Calderwood? Jojo's had many UFC fights.

Juliana Miller. I mean, we have to answer this on Onza. the next one, AK, I have my thoughts, but I will say in the Victoria Leonardo

Hannah Goldie range is what I'm looking at, nothing higher. Yeah, just she's got potential. She's obviously, like, her grappling is incredible.

She's got a great personality. She can become something that people want to see, but you don't want to just throw her in there with, yeah, you don't want to throw her in there with freaking Lauren Murphy right now.

That's just a terrible idea. Yeah. And if, what's her opponent's? Who's the opponent's name? I forgot. If Brogan 1-1, she'd been in the same position, too. You wouldn't, it would have been around the top 25. I don't even have there, are there 25 flightweights?

I'm not even sure. Around, you know, the back end. That's all. I don't think there's any rush. Won't they know for tough winners? Don't they usually match them up with like someone from the season, almost? I think it's anyone else

Always That happened to Brian Battle But only because Brian Battle Was supposed to fight a guy Yeah only because to kind of redo it That was supposed to be the final match Yeah When Louis Painer couldn't fight in the finale

Or something like that Also I'll be honest I don't know how many People are going to get signed If I'm Does Do you think the UFC signs I don't

him say his name pagga paga i would hope so i would hope so i think maybe yeah he's not he's not a big heavyweight at all so yeah for sure yeah i i think i i think they keep him around give him one more chance but definitely it's it's definitely a one fight i think he's getting a one fight deal you win then you get then they're going to give him a four fight deal so it's tough when you don't win the uh the 10 fight contract or whatever it is and i assume the ufc they they usually sign the loser of the finale no matter what right to oh yeah there's been a few exceptions but but like usually yeah but i would expect brogan walker probably get one more fight too i think i think

i think usman and miller would have been we're going to get signed no matter what i agree yes yeah yeah um should tia go up to heavyweight or be let go he has lost four of his last five fights i don't think that's going to help him yeah this and listen there's still fights for him he was absolutely he was a little sloppy at times but it was it was a it was a it was a it was a pretty fun fight. Like the game plan was was a smart one and Jamal Hill just got the job done. Also, he literally only loses to people on the top five

or like the champion. Yeah. So listen, I don't think they're going to let him go. There's his name still his value, especially with like guys coming up in this division right now. You got to keep him around. I would be, but over Tiago Santos still mean something.

I would be super interested in him going back to middleweight. If he can do it, yeah. He looked gigantic tonight. Yeah, he did. Humongous. If he can get to 185, I mean, that's going to be... Because he only went to 205 because they needed, like, last minute fights, and he just kept winning until he fought John.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He accidentally got a title shot by just taking short notice fights pretty much. Anything else? I think we're good. I think we've done well. Fight card over exceeded expectations. And we like when that happens.

Yeah. The pacing, the pacing was not very fun. What can you do, though? The actual fighting part? Sure. Good job. I will say, yeah. I mean, I went to the icon FC card last night in Savannah.

I mean, it was just bang, bang. One fight end, the next fight started. Like six-fight main card, we're out of like 90 minutes. It was pretty fantastic. Well, listen, it was a good night. Good night of fight. 10 fights, 10 finishes. Congratulations to all the winners.

Congratulations to Jamal Hill for closing the show. A.K. I'll see you tomorrow for some matchmaking. For A.K. Feel better, Mike. You know better. At EKC. I am Mike Heck. Good night, everybody.

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