MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 73 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Mackenzie Dern's Lopsided Win, Callout Of Rose Namajunas

Episode Date: May 21, 2023

Following Mackenzie Dern's one-sided win over Angela Hill in the main event of UFC Vegas 73, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, Jed Meshew, and Alexander K. Lee recap the action from Saturday's card at the UFC APEX. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Available now, only from Audible. We're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the victory horns are sounding for one, Mackenzie Dern, and, man, if you are a fighter in the Women's Strawweight Division, After seeing that performance, you are looking at McKenzie Dern in an entirely different way because she put the wood to Angela Hill over 25 minutes, 4943 on one of the judges' scorecards,

4944 and the others. Dominant battering decision win for McKenzie Dern. She gets it done. It was kind of like a bizarro fight because you thought you would think heading into this fight that if the striking was going to be the majority of the fight, it would be won by Angela Hill. And if things are going to take place against the fence, it'd probably be won by McKenzie Dern was the opposite both ways. But McKenzie Dern showed a lot of wrinkles to her game, some evolved striking. And yes, Jedmishu, who is joining us right now, vicious ground and pound

for McKenzie Dern, something you and I have been discussing for a long time. Could she add that wrinkle to her game? And she did. What a performance. And we're here to talk all about it. Welcome to the UFC Baby 73 post-fight show. I am Mike Eck. That is the aforementioned Jedmishu. Can't wait to get his thoughts on this performance. And my best friend is here as well, Alexander Cayley, who was just telling me that the new Fast and the Furious movie is awful and no one should see it.

I was going to say, Jed, would you say, apropos, I don't know why this phrase comes to mind, that that was the most fast and furious performance of McKenzie Dern's career? I would say it was two, one could say it's too fast and too furious at points. Yeah, I agree. I agree. You might almost say at times it was like she was in like a Tokyo drift, like as far as her mindset goes. It was pretty impressive.

It was very fast and furious for all five rounds. It was fast five rounds. It was a fast five rounds. That was pretty good. I did not expect that. That was excellent. X. We got plenty more of that came from, baby.

I'm sure you do. I'm sure the puns will be fast and furious throughout this post-fight show. Jed, Jed, let's begin with you. And let's talk about this performance from McKenzie Dern because you and I on various programs for, I mean, I don't know how many BTLs we were talking about heading into McKenzie Dern fights, heading out of McKenzie Dern fights over the last couple of years.

if she could just learn to hit people while on the ground in these dominant positions, she is going to be a problem. And at one point in the first round, she landed an elbow. In our in our Slack chat, I'm like, oh my God, she landed an elbow on the ground. And I was like, maybe that's going to be the only one she landed. Boy was I wrong because she was just ruthless down there with those strikes. What a performance from McKenzie Dern? Did she answer all the questions you could have had about her?

because I'm sure you view her much differently now than you did heading into this fight. She didn't answer all of them. There are still real questions about what McKinsey Dern can do and kind of what her ceiling is. But this is the thing we've been waiting for. Like I'm not here to say that I'm a genius and I've been asking for this when no one else has. We've all been asking for this. All of the people know the same things we need to see here. We need to see you have better, more committed striking.

We need to see you be able to actually take people down and not just kind of wish your way into these positions. And when you do get them down, you can't just try to cuddle everyone. You have got to hurt them when you can't. Because that's what costs you against Jan Shaanan. You got into dominant positions, but you spent the whole time fishing for chokes that you didn't get.

And then Jan, every round starts in the feet. And that's how that fight went. This one, she didn't. I still have a ton of questions about her striking because it was certainly effective tonight, and we can talk all about that. She is not winning any awards for technique, and that's going to be a problem against people with more firepower to fireback, right? Angela Hill can't hurt her on the feet realistically. Jan Shaanan, we just all lay out Jessica and Drogh.

So that same sort of ethic isn't going to work for McKinsey Dern. but she answered the biggest thing I've wanted from her this whole time is she was mean you have to be mean to be an elite level fighter there is maybe one fighter in the history of this sport who got away without being mean and was a top top tier athlete it was damia Maya and he notably never won a title and it probably didn't help that he didn't want to hurt people you got to hurt people and it paid dividends because she got angela hill down in that first round and she didn't really try for submissions. She just beat the hell out of her.

She tried a couple of times, but mostly she spent it laying the wood, as you said, Mike. And that adds up. That makes it more likely for other things to happen. And in that third round before the big knee lands that we'll talk all about in the round three, Angela Hill had started to tire. And she didn't tire because she was playing defense on the ground

the whole time from Choch. She tired because she was getting her ass beat for big sections of the fight. So one of the biggest, you know, question marks the biggest wish list for mackenzie durn she showed tonight and so that elevates her and makes me very excited to watch her keep fighting okay biggest takeaway from this performance and i i do want to give credit to angela hill because she fought out some really tough positions tonight she took a beating and just kept on coming there were portions of that fight where she could have just let the beating continue and just got out of there and she wouldn't allow that to

to happen. So all the credit in the world to Angela Hill for going the full 25 and making it to the final horn. But this is the McKenzie Dern Show, AK, what were your thoughts about it? Mike, I've done a poll. How, I don't know how to spell. It says how you grade, how you grade, McKenzie Derns, U.S. Vegas 73 main event when obviously I meant, how did you, how would you grade, how do you grade McKenzie Derns win on Saturday? I gave A plus A, B, or C or lower. We've got A leading, 41%, which I think most of us would agree on. I'm so disappointed that that wasn't a fast and the furious pun in that poll. How would you have to?

I feel like it's an obvious thing. Was it fast? Was it furious? Was it fast and furious? How would you describe? Or neither. Neither fast nor furious, which would have been. Was that more of a letty?

Was that more of a leady performance? Yes. Like, what character did she best embody out there? I think it was Lennie. There was a lot of There was a lot of Letty in McKinsey Dern out there is all I'm saying.

I don't know. Did she go for the triangle? Did she go for the Ledy Ortiz signature triangles? She absolutely went for the triangle. Oh, I'm going to miss that. There was a lot going on. I threw around two or three

when she, when Hill like follows her down into what is functionally a guard pull, almost immediately Dern gets a triangle. She doesn't get it locked on but she gets the legs crossed and then Hill goes, oh shit and runs away like but yeah absolutely had a triangle effort it was great if only hill

had crazy horse her like charliez does in the new movie spoiler spoiler spoiler i'm sorry spoiler spoiler uh anyway most people saying a i would i know terrible i would probably lean a as well uh if only because i think you know if we say a plus then we're saying like oh well there's no room for like this is their best for answer career there's no room for improvement it's up there and i wouldn't mind people saying it's an a plus i said in our slack like i'm almost more impressed by her, you know, winning this dominant decision than a lot of us had predicted submission first round, second round. If this goes past that, we could see, you know, Angela Hill, you know, eventually figuring

McKenzie Dern out, being unable to be taken down and just dominating the last three rounds on the feet. And that's not what happened. No one could have predicted it would play out like this with McKenzie Dern. I'll hesitate to say looking comfortable, but certainly looking enthusiastic to exchange on the feet and getting the better of it on multiple occasions. So I really want to say a plus. I really enjoyed the performance so much.

If it was like how fun was the performance, it's like A plus plus plus plus. If we're talking like, okay, like how much has she evolved, how to how to review her as a contender or things like that, then I'm like, okay, fine. This was Justin A. But Justine is very good. Her first, her third time getting to main event a card. The other two did not go her way. again, I don't know how much this improves her standing in people's minds as far as like, yes, now McKenzie Dern is going to be like she's put it all together because clearly she hasn't

like put it all together. But man, that was so fun to watch. And it's so rare, guys, that we say, this fighter just has to do this. We want to see a fighter do this. And then they actually do it. It just doesn't have. There's some fighters. We've been slamming our heads against the wall like for like their entire careers.

There's fighters were like, man, if only this fighter had done this, they might have become a top five fighter. They might have become a champion. And it just doesn't happen. And it's fine. Listen, they're the people in the cage. It's very easy for us to sit back here and say, hey, why don't you just do this? Why don't you just add this to your arsenal?

Why don't you become better at this? Very easy to say it. So that's why it's so cool to see a fighter actually clearly hear this, not from us, but from her coaches, trainers, her peers, and implementing it in such an effective way as far as the ground impound goes. And also, listen, keeping her not giving up in that striking, not accepting that. But okay, I'm just a jih Tzu person. She wants to throw down.

How is this going to work against, I don't know, higher, you know, higher ranked competition? I don't know. But Angela Hill is pretty damn good in the feet. So maybe she's surprised Angela Hill. Maybe if they run this one back, Angela has a different game plan. It's more prepared for the stand-up. But got to give a lot of credit to McKenzie Duren, though. Completely agree with you.

And both women are going to take home an extra 50 Gs because this was the fight of the night, according to the UFC. And, you know, yeah. No brainer. Congratulations to both women and, you know, at least Angela Hill may not get the win bonus, but she can drive the tiers with $100 bills and lots of them because she just won $50,000 four fight of the night. The other bonuses go to Diego Fahado, which we're certainly going to talk about because that was an incredible knockout.

And Slava Claus got himself a bonus. Natalia Silva does not get a bonus. I would have given her one just in general. She didn't even have to fight. she could have just stood in the octagon for 50 seconds, and I would have given her a bonus, because she's just a joy to watch inside that octagon. But to go back to the main event, Jed,

in AK, we'll obviously talk about this tomorrow on the next one. All week, Jed, McKenzie Dernan had been saying, I'm going to call out Rosammi Yunis after this fight. She goes in there, has that performance, and she calls out Rosnami Eunice, says I have not been able to fight an ex-champion during this run. I think I now deserve the opportunity to do so.

And we don't know what the hell's going on at the Rosamu Unis at this point. But is this the right name to call out if you're McKenzie Dern? Love the callout. I mean, I think there weren't a lot of bad callouts for her in this situation, honestly, just because, and she sort of alluded to this, like most of the top 10 or 15 have sort of fought each other in a lot of ways. And she hasn't had an opportunity to really fight one of the top, top names. And this kind of would make sense.

It's like I don't think there would have been a huge way to go wrong, but Rose Nomunis is probably the biggest risk, biggest reward, right? Like, there's a world where McKinsey Dern can win that fight. And if she does, then she's just getting a title shot if she beat Rosenomani Unis. But there's also a world where she gets dummied aggressively because Rose is very, very good at fighting when she is trying to fight people, unlike when she stands across the cage from Carla Sparza. But so I have no issue with the call out. I think it's pretty good. If she had called out Carla Esparza, I think that would have been. fine she had called i mean she kind of alluded to jan jean non that's about the only one i think would

be bad just because they just fought but she gets rose i think that's okay jessica and drudge coming off the loss that's not usually how the ufc does business but i i think anything's kind of fine and i personally like the call out i think she has a chance at getting it which is always sort of the the way i judge whether call out is good or not and i do think she has a shot at getting it so it's not a bad callout by any stretch. I also like the callout. I'm not sure if that's going to be the official match. We can pick up to think about that.

But I think a performance, and I think this is an A callout, AK. What's say you? I like the callout. And I'm actually really curious who you guys think would be favored if that fight were announced, I don't know, this week.

I'll say this week. I asked how much? Mine is 250 at least. Wow, really? This version of Dern, this version of Dern. I thought it'll be that eye. It was really impressive. I would certainly pick Rose to win, but I do wonder.

People sit, put in the YouTubers. I'm not going to throw a poll, but call it out in the comments. Give me some, give me some opening odds. The YouTube people are smart. Give me some opening odds for Rose Namajunis versus McKenzie Dern. Let's say it's a main event. Let's say it's a fight night main event, not at the apex, somewhere on the road. Fight night main event.

Five rounds. Rose Navajunis, McKenzie Dern. and giving me some odds people, not necessarily who you would pick to win, just who you think would be favorites. So, yeah, but I like the call out. The only thing, problem with the Rose call out these days is that, and we say this,

I feel like we mention this on every show, we just don't know when she's going to compete again, and if it's going to be at 115, because there has been a lot of talk about her trying her hand at 125, right? So it's always a good name to call out. I think it'd be a competitive fight with this version of Dern that we saw

if she keeps improving. you know, along this line. There's no reason she can't compete with the top five in the division. But yes, you maybe want to go with someone who's like more of a short bet to eventually fight. But most people saying Rose favorite, someone saying minus 1200.

It might be a bit much. Minus 200. It's not true. I think it's just a joke. minus 250. Yeah, most people are in that range. It's going to be minus 250. I mean, she's rose minus 500.

No. That'd be a bit high. Not just a night, not just a high. Maybe. Maybe. And look, I'm not here. This was a good performance, but like, I mean this in the nicest way I can possibly say this. She was minus 150 against Angela Hill.

The gulf between Rose Namu Yunus and Angela Hill is enormous. And she was only a minus 150 over Hill. Yes, this performance was good. I think Rose is still a comfortable favorite in this one. Yeah. I would say, I was going to say like minus. Minus five feels in touch high. minus 5 feels a touch high

but if it wouldn't shock me if this was minus 3 I would I would bet minus 250 but if it was minus 3 I wouldn't be surprised if we're not getting rose Androge 3 then this is the exact fight I want for rose not munis This is the rose and drudge 3 makes a ton of sense right now In any division it could be 15 or 25 it doesn't matter I don't care that's the fight to make

That's not a bad one Cool, Dern can get Carlos Sparset. That feels like a fight that... Carl's pregnant and about to have a kid, so that ain't happened. Yeah, that's a long way. Okay, well, then never mind. She can't do that. She probably shouldn't do that, yeah.

There's a reason I'm not on onto the next one, except in the emergency capacities. Sometimes you are. It's okay. So, great win from Mackenzie Dern. She showed a lot. I think she didn't answer all questions, but she answered a lot of them, and she took a huge stuff.

up and it got it done. And we were kind of looking for Edmund Shabazzian to see if he would answer some of those questions. And I think he did. I think he definitely answered some questions. That first round could have, the old Edmund, it could have got real hairy in that first round,

but he's laying some good strikes. He actually had Anthony Hernandez in a pretty tight submission it looked like for a few seconds, but Anthony stole some momentum. Shabazzian kind of got just run over after that. But it's just a really bad. It turned out to be a pretty bad stylistic matcher for Edmund Chabazzian, which a lot of us kind of thought it could be.

But Edmund showed some improvements, Jed, did he not? Like, at least early on, going from, you know, where he trained from originally to going to Extreme Couture. There were at least improvements that we have seen over the last, you know, since the losing streak and snapping it. And then this fight with a really tough out at 184. and Anthony Hernandez. I saw some improvements.

Did you? Yeah, definitely, man. Like, I don't know that Edmund Chabasian's ever going to make a run of the title. He's still really young. You got to give him that. But I tweeted out because I believe this with my whole chest. If you go from a not good coaching staff to a good one, it's probably going to do better for you in your career.

He still came up with an L here and he still showed some of his historical problems of being able to kind of sustain office. offense as fights go on into relative weakness to grappling. But what we were talking about on the slack, like he showed really good defense when he was done. And that is always an impressive thing to me because you could pretty reasonably assert that I had been Shabazzian was cooked halfway through that second round. Like he didn't really have much to offer anymore.

He's very tired. He may or may not have broken a rib. I know he told his corner that between second and third round. I've never broken a rib, but I can only imagine based on people I know who have that doing grappling with a broken rib and a man continually transitioning from Top Turtle to back control over and over again probably sucks all of the ass. But that didn't keep him down. He continued to fight. He showed really good defense. knew what he was doing. He was very keyed in on sort of the ways that Hernandez was trying to attack

and with the modified guillotine choke, kind of the offside to it. And he would always get his hips down and sort of move out. He just didn't have the energy or the ability to separate you back to his feet and kind of restart some offensive sequences of his own. But that's still more than frankly, we've seen when like Derek Brunson was just taking him down and beating his head in. So he's getting better and he's young and he still has opportunities to improve but he's got a lot of flaws that he still needs to work out and he's really got to find a way to stop letting to stop signing bout agreements against people who can grapple because that just seems like it's not doing him a benefit at this stage yep most batters on twitter were like i love the fact that people are

jumping on edmund shabazzian they were just biting their time and waiting to just dump a whole bunch of money on Hernandez once it got to the right price and it looked like as today went on these people got that price and they were very happy with how things he got down to like minus 200 it was a good price i my gimmick got under he got under there yeah he was i think it was like my i were doing the the people's pre-fight show is like minus 190 walking buckley in natalia silver were the only two fighters that were minus 200 and above everybody else was in the the high ones or below that. So good on you guys. Good on you guys. And in AK Fluffy Hernandez just quietly winning fights and doing so impressively. It is fun to watch this man fight. I don't know if I could if I,

he is not a middleweighty middleweight. I'm not putting him in that category at all. But four wins in a row guy just continues to look better and better. He might not be fighting for the middleweighty, middleweight middleweight title next. But could he be could he get a rank? guy next? Are we willing to go that hell? You don't have to name a name, but what did you think of his performance, this run that he's on? And if you were the matchmaker, you don't have to give a specific name.

What level? We go on like 20 to 25, we're going top 15? What are we thinking here? I would like to put him against someone in the top 15. I have a feeling he's not going to quite get there. I'd have to think of the names. I know you said I don't have to name a name specifically, but probably to answer

this question is better if I take a little gander at my middle rank rankings here. The highest you could go. I mean, Calvin Gasselmano, how you rank him. I think Jack Kermanza would be a great fight. Jack Kraman's coming off a loss. Brendan Allen has a fight.

Mr. Marine Event, Kyle Barallio, but I kept saying he deserves a top 15. Maybe that's the answer. Maybe they both deserve a top 15 guy, but there's no real top 15 opponent that's shaking loose right now. So then they kind of have to face each other for now. So that's a possibility. I already had a fluffy sort of my top 20 of just my UFC rankings. And this one over Edmund moves him up a little bit.

But, you know, again, not not in. He's not a top 15 guy now. Just moves him up just a tier below, just a tier below. So I, if it were up to me, I'd like to dig out some of the top 15. I have a feeling it'll be another unranked guy. But he's so close. He's so close. I get the feeling of the UFC likes him.

His fights are pretty exciting. He's a fight finisher. They love that. He has a distinct style, Mike. Like we said, he's not quite a middleweighty, a little weight, right? Where he gets into these fights where it's like this is just this muddy, murky, what do either of these guys do fights? Like, this was a good fight. This was a good fight. And again, I've been a little hard on, on Edmund, but he definitely, I agree. I agree he improved.

I didn't love the matchmaking. Not a terrible matchmaking at all. Not terrible matchmaking. But like I, like Jed said, I wish there was a middle ground between, you know, showing, you know, letting him show up his specialty, which is striking, which he got doing his last flight and testing is grappling. There must have been in between putting him up against a guy who's like such a specialized grappler. I mean, Anthony Hernandez says other stuff too,

but he likes to get to the fight to the ground and just wear people down and beat them up. And we know that's Edmund's weakness. There has to be a middle ground between testing him and like exposing him. I don't know what that is. I don't envy the matchmaker's job when it comes to figuring out what to do with a 25, talented 25 year old guy like Edmund while, you know, keeping him on the roster and, you know, you don't want to hand him easy wins and that. So it's tough.

It's tough situation. but yeah i'd like to see um edmund get some sort of striker next and uh for anthony hernandez not not quite tough 15 yet man yeah i don't know what is what is management teams thinking putting him in a fight with anthonythi hernandez i was gonna find like he'll probably end up fighting like ali oscarb kisriov who's just got a like belly to belly suplex him in the first 14 seconds of the fight but yeah some with you hopefully gets himself a striker and we can move on and we'll just see what happens. But honestly, there aren't a ton of strikers at middleweight as I'm kind of looking over right now.

Yeah, Chidi. Yeah, Cheedy, Injikawani. I said, I mentioned Armin Petrosian, like Bruno. This is why you sign these guys. Like this is why. Oh, no, no, I don't like that. But this is why you sign that? Like, there's certain guys in middleweight that are like, oh, why does this guy exist?

Like, he's just kind of like a middleweighty, middleweight striker. And it's like, yes, those are the guys. That's what Delcha Lungianbool. That's why guys like Delcha were on the. roster to fight guys like Edmund. Yeah, this wasn't this wasn't like an atrocious matchup, but I would just like to see them let Edmund show off

what he does best, which is what they did like his first three fights, right? And I guess they thought after those first three fights, you know, you knock out Brad DeVarra's, huge win that you have to like place him in a certain tier. And that's when they kind of already pushed him in the top of Dean. And it's, MMA is a tough one, man. Once you open up that, you know, once you open up the bottle, once you squeeze out the toothpaste, the contender toothpaste, there's no

putting it back again. We saw that with Darren Till. Like, Darren Till is a good fighter. But once he fought Turin Woodley, suddenly it's like, oh, well, he has to fight top 10 guys going forward now. And it's like, I wish we could rebuild people in MA. We say this all the time. And so Edmund, there's so much time for him. But yeah, I wish they'd give him some fights that just build up his confidence a little bit. Not that he should be ashamed of like Saturday's loss.

No, it's just a tough matchup. I think Aaron is really, really good. Just really, really good. Yeah. Boating for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. Oh, what? Sounds like Ojo time. Play Ojo? Great idea.

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Nice finish of Andre Fialio We know someone was going down in that fight, but I got to talk about CDF, Jedmishu. I got to talk about Carlos Diego Faheda. Man is not fought in quite some time since the Matush Gamrott loss. That was in December of 2021. Hadn't won a fight since beating Anthony Pettis. That was at UFC 246.

That was before the pandemic. That was a month before the world shut down. He goes out and just runs over Anthony Pettis. and everyone thought this could be the dude and then he wins his next and then he just goes on and loses and then he loses again and then he loses again and then he's got fights booked

and then they get canceled and then another fight booked and then he's injured and then this happens and then this happens and finally gets in there with Michael Johnson and we talk about middleweighty middleweights this was Michael Johnson E Michael Johnson fight because Michael Johnson comes out and looks great in the first round

quick hands he's landing everything comes out in the second round and it's the same thing. We're like, wow, Michael Johnson, he, like, he's been saying, I want to go on this title run. Maybe this is it. Maybe he's about to go on this title run.

And then, Coblamy, Carlos Diego Faheda, just lands this overhand right from hell. And Michael Johnson goes down, I mean, he is out like a light as soon as this shot lands. CDF being the nurturing gentleman that he is, goes over and cradles Michael Johnson.

It was just, there's a terrifying knockout, Jedmishu. But CDF is back and he got himself a freaking K-O-of-the-year nominee, did he not? I mean, yeah, I guess. Probably it'll be, it's going to at least make the like doc as you're putting it together. It's a hell of a knockout. I just in general assume that some other knockouts will mean more and thus rank higher. But so is the second best knockout of tonight and the best one if you're not counting. running boxing, so particularly coming from behind and coming off a big long streak of losses.

I do want to defend CDF for just a moment because look at the losses, right? Like, yes, he hasn't won in like there are kids in freaking preschool who can say real words since the last time this man won a fist fight. But his losses, Benny Darius heard of him. He's doing pretty well these days. Gregor Gillespie, who also just doesn't fight anymore, but was very good at the time. And then Matush Gamrod also doing okay. So, like, those are very fine losses.

Like, that's the best of the best at this weight class, the best division in the whole sport. So coming back, getting a win over a, arguably the sports premier fighter who can pull defeat from the draws of victory in Michael Johnson. I mean, it's just, it was dope knockout. I don't have a lot to say on it. It's just like, it was really cool, good for him. Let's try and fight more often now. Yep, his five losses are the three you named.

Another loss to Benny Darius at UFC 179. Another guy that's not too bad too, huh? Yeah, and then there's this guy who's about to fight for the BMF title. his name is Dustin Porre. That was the other loss. Doesn't suck. In 2015. And then he went like five, six years without actually losing a fight.

I feel like if you're CDF, you've got to look back on your career when it's all said and done. And you can draw a pretty clear line about where you were. She's like, yeah. Like, I know where I was in quality. I beat everybody who wasn't the top 15 dude. and maybe even like one or two top 15 dudes but like that's where I was wasn't ever the best guy but I was unequivocally one of the 20 best guys and that's a pretty cool thing man I'd take being one of the 20 best people in the world that's something

Jed you are one of the 20 best people in the world probably oh that's 100 you didn't even say it something so that's just one of that statement is just one of the 20 best people in the world take it I'll take it Mike You're right up there, Jed. You're right up there. You're the Fast and Furious series of my heart. How about that? A.K., would you think a CDS performance? Was there another performance that that's going to be a memorable one? When you talk about this card again on like Wednesday or Thursday or something, what's the first thing that's going to pop into your mind that's not McKenzie Dern? Listen, I want to praise Joaquin Buckley and Natalia Silva, both of them. Walking Buckley, I think we all agreed, Andre Fialio. great matchup choice for him because he's a guy who comes forward and swings and we want walking Buckley to have openings to add to his highlight reel he certainly did he got a quote unquote TKO I mean that to me was a knockout of it I guess I guess um uh fialio's a TKO because carry Kerry Terry Hatley tried to get man killed I don't know I guess because Pial kind of like came back

to life they're like oh he was the referee just saved needed to save him and it's like no I mean yeah he needed to save him earlier um so that was great and then Tayaova living up to her billing as like a minus one million favorite. So great for both of them. Joaquin Buckley, especially, new weight class, fantastic. Or back to Welterweight, which he fought up before he was in the UFC.

But I also need to shout up, Biala and Victoria Leonardo because I, UFC, please, never cut these fighters. We need people, it sounds so insulting, but we need tough fighters, respectable fighters, who lose in memorable ways. Jen, we've talked about this on these, preview shows and post-fight shows before.

These are- their best ideas. Right? No, but it's true. They're like professional wrestling jobbers, okay? You need a guy, a guy or gal who you, the fighter that you're kind of, not only say favoring, but kind of see Star Power Win, so they can get their stuff off. Get all their stuff off.

Get all their signature moves in. Just give the fans a real taste of like what makes them exciting and why they should be watched these people. If this is the first time you saw Joaquin Buckley, you saw the highlight reel before, You saw the Infikasanga and you're like you're like locked in. You're like, oh, cool. Let me see how that's a great highlight real. Let me see if he pulls it off again tonight.

Boom. Big head, super cool, well-timed head kick. You're in. You're a walking buckley fan for life. You're telling your friends, I got to see walking Balkan. Natia Silva. I don't know what casual person is tuning into the second pre-living the night, but just fair with me here.

Heavily hyped. I think she's about 26 years old. Everyone's saying she's going to just run through Victoria Leonard. Guess what? She runs through Victoria, Leonardo in very violent fashion. So, again, and Leonardo is just too tough for own good. She's always getting something, I think, broken or fractured when she loses.

So in that sense, maybe, you know, maybe we don't need to keep throwing in there. But as much, like I said, I want to give the flowers to Buckley and the ties of it. But I also got to give praise to fighters like Fialio and Leonardo. You need fighters who lose in an interesting way. I'm sorry. That's just the way it is. For me, their death is valuable, if not more so, than 500 fighters who occasionally, who like win, you know, runoff four straight decisions,

uneventful decisions. Like, you need these fighters who lose fights. I don't know. Maybe I'm sadistic. No, you're not. You need them. I call them the Jonathan Gouletes of the world because if anyone here is old and watched like old UFC,

Jonathan Goulet was like the platonic ideal of this in that he was actually like could fight and thus had some skill. But he just had no chin. Like he just simply. could not take a punch, but he always also, like, dyed his hair colorfully. So he stood out in, like, a way that you could at least, like, remember him. And then he would get cartoonishly demolished whenever he lost. So he was like, perfect for this.

We've got a few guys in the UFC, like Devin Clark. When he loses, it tends to be in funny ways. Like, we just need more people like that. Andre Fialo is really making a case to be one of those dudes. And that's great. It's a great role to serve in the organization. Do not cut him. Please do not cut Andre Fialio.

Yeah. I don't ask for much. That's true. Or Victoria Lina. Yeah, I'm not a doctor. And I don't know if this is actually true or not, but it looked like Natalia Sella broke her jaw. Like broke Victoria's jaw.

It was bad. I felt bad. Every punch she landed. Yeah, that was bad. Nasty knockoff. That photo. of Leonardo just like looking like she regrets every life choice to let her down this road is tough this tough place to be that that's how you i mean that's how you fight is a minus 900 favor you go out there and you blow the doors off and you get a quick finish so impressive stuff uh Gilbert abina good for him guys been hasn't fought since the tough loss to brian battle in the finale and comes on just i mean he trucked to ryan cosy just trucked to ryan cosy just trucked

him and took 20% of his money in the process because Kosi missed weight. Caroline Nicole Kovacic, what a what a resurgence for Carolina? Three straight. Three straight wins. She's streaking. She's streaking. She's really good. Andre Arlovsky-esque right here from Kovale.

Maybe. Yeah. We need more Andre Olavski's in the game too. Thembo Garimbo. His first UFC win. First UFC win. What a story he is. Put over Colby Covington.

in his post-fight scrum, if you want to check that out. But Jed, before we go to the peeps, I want to leave it to you to discuss the one fight we have not discussed, just the no-brainer of no-brainers in NBB community, Rodrigo Nassimento versus Alir Latifi.

This was, this had to have scratched you right where you hitched, right? This is the, just, this is electric, right? I don't know, I had a great, great. eight night betting just outside of being successful this was the easiest heavyweight over of my life this it was at minus 110 over two and a half was minus 110 which feels like a highway robbery i i had that turned on and i wanted to watch the first minute to see if this would even be like somewhat sweaty and almost immediately i was like well i'm just going to go cook dinner now and i'll

come back to this in 15 minutes because there ain't no way this thing's not go in the distance it was magic. I loved every awful minute of this horrible fight. I know the rest of you didn't and that's reasonable. But if you ever want to spice up a bad card like this, just pet heavyweight overs. It makes you enjoy the worst fights of the evening. And Mike, you know what?

I'm looking at it right now. Of the 17 heavyweight fights in the UFC this year, 10 of them have hit their overs. Incredible. The best. Heavy weights, this card wasn't high on. the card but heavyweights being put you know when they just randomly put like a heavyweight fight in like the co-main event and so that heavyweight fights being like guaranteed action or or at the very

least like and like oh it's we'll get a we'll get a knockout out of it or something is like one of the biggest i don't know why this the uc has pushed this myth for so long because like for every like crazy knockout power oh of course for every i'll tell you something a lot of these heavy weights do not have knockout power apparently uh but for every like crazy chris barnett like spin kick knockout you get like these days you get like four or five of these. You have four or five, Latifi, Nassimento, Carl Williams, Chase Sherman. Again, another law. I don't know how we all know that Jed, you took a hit recently with the Valentina loss.

I feel like these heavyweight overs are just bringing you back single-handedly. Like, some of them are just so obvious. 10 and 7 on the year, it's been great. Fuck. And almost all of the losses, I knew they're coming. It's like, yeah, I'm going to do it on the principle. what Jailton Almeid is probably not going to make it 70. It's right.

It's just what it is. But yeah, it was ridiculous. I don't know why we keep, like, would anybody really be upset if Roger Garnassemento and Alia Latifi never fought again? Like, would that, would anyone be down other than those two gentlemen and their families? I don't think we needed this fight. But, you know, it happened. It's a good smoke break fight And I won

Chat GPT hit this week too Baby let's go All the gimmicks And my gimmick bet My gimmick parlay I gimmick parlayed This was the brother The brothers

Wasn't the brothers one The brother they beat up They beat up a guy who beat up Or got beat up by brothers or something No no Orion Koski And Edmund Shabazi And both have wins

Over a guy named Daniel McWilliams He's like, he's like Jay Silva or whatever. Like he's like one of those. Jay Alice. He's Jay Alice, not Sylvia, Jay Ellis. Like he's like a 10 and 58 job or whatever. And I figured this out during the show where Orion beat him after his brother beat him.

Like a month later, he watched his brother nuke this dude in the first round. It was like, I too should beat that gentleman with the 10 and 38 record. And so on principle, I was like, let's just bet against the two people who decided to put this man on their resume. Wait, he also, he also lost to the Shabazzian brothers. Yeah, also lost to the Shabazzian brothers as well. That's why this was like, I'm just going to fade the Shabazzian and Kossi brothers. Easiest bed of my life, felt so great. You have to be the only person who had this parley in the universe.

It was the dumbest far lay line. Cashed without trouble is great. I mean, this car was just full of interesting factoid on the regional scene. because speaking of Jay Alice, Nick Fior, his first two pro wins are against Jay Alice. First two. Nick Fior doesn't have a good resume if you look at it.

First, 50 second submission, 90 second TKO. That's how Nick Fior's career started and both were against J. Ellis, who at the time was 15 and 98. He is now 16 and 108. I should have,

I should have thrown Chase Hooper into the parlay and just parlaying those people and retired. It's retired from gambling with that. This chase was plus money and Urbina was like minus 110. J. Ellis is right. I mean, I'm telling you, this is so fast. J.L.S.'s tabology page is one of the most fascinating reads ever. This dude fights like every month, sometimes twice a month.

he's already fought twice this year he's got a well you're supposed to box in april i don't know what happened but this dude's going to fight like five more times this year at least but just a very interesting uh retrospective on the top the great the great gerald meershard has a victory over him that's true didn't j oh jay beats j b gerald right uh he may have beat him earlier but i know that gerald does have a win over him

I don't know if Jay Jay's beating like four people or something like that I just want to give the final poll results of the how would you grade McKenzie Durrance performance from Saturday listen A 41% A plus 33%.

So 74% combined saying You know she had great for A or A plus That's not bad There's a few like I'll see or lower It's got to be just haters I just kind of put that option just because I don't know just for the haters I guess So 7% haters you've been spoken for

But yeah Almost 75% saying A or A plus. It was a great night for McKenzie Dern. He does have a win over Gerald Mearsherp, by the way. March 2007. The first guy to beat him. Is that true?

Yeah, there's Gerald Mearsart's second pro fight. He was one and a-oh. Okay, okay, okay. He also has a win over Daniel Strauss. How about that? I mean, just this dude's fought everybody. I just want to give a Dallas on the regional scene. I want to talk to that man so bad.

badly. I think we should go to the peeps. We're now in J. Ellis territory. That means it's time to go to the peeps, I think. Yeah, let's go to the peeps. Let's go to the peeps. We're in J. Ellis territory. Let's go to the peeps.

If we don't, I'm about to turn this into a full-blown fast-x conversation. I've been holding back. We'll take a few questions. We'll take all questions about Jason Momoa. So if you see any of those AK, make sure to flag them. I will, yeah. I'll sell them to kidding. Jed, you probably watch this fight.

I mean, I don't think anyone really watched this fight very closely, but would you say O'Lear Latifie was robbed? Because literally, I needed about 90 seconds to realize that it was time to go walk my dog as that fight was playing out. And I don't know if you, I don't think he was robbed. He was not robbed. I don't. If you won, it didn't matter who won this fight. No one by the structures of the fight could call robbery on here.

If you want to make a case for Leel-Lafi winning it, like, I can accept it, I guess, but he wasn't going to win it. I was extremely certain that Asiminto was getting it because he just walked forward more. And they both didn't do much. And he walked forward more. And so that's going to win. And he landed the better shot. So, Alir,

getting one takedown. Might have gotten two. I guess he got two because he got one the second and the third. But no, it's fine. Who cares is the real answer to this question. I'm looking, just for context, I'm looking at M.A. decisions, all but one media member scored it for Nassimento.

And there is a 3027 in there. Just one person scored it for Alia Latifie. Most people run 2928 for Nassimito. If they had scored that for Latifi, my reaction would have been, well, that's probably not great, but okay. Moving on. It just is what it is. Casey, whatever you do, please do not pull up this question from Casey Carpenter. I refuse to answer it.

No. No. I see you. I will not answer this question. How dare you. Casey Carpenter, I want to know what it is. I know. I have to live now.

People on the YouTube can read it themselves, people who listen to some podcasts later. you're crap out of luck, all right? I don't even want to acknowledge the phrasing of this question. Oh, yeah. You're such a hater. I want to say, I want to explain this because people who listen to the podcast, I feel so bad because people listen to the podcast, like this whole segment is like, what the hell is going on?

But there's a phrase, listen, there's a phrase used in the media and among fans now when describing a tough fighter. All right, all right, we'll put it. Casey Carpenter is asking, A.K., who has the most dog in them? And the new fast and furious movie. I mean, there's a very clear answer. Okay, Jed, you can answer this question in earnest in a moment. People, probably people, not everyone saw this tweet.

I tweeted, if you, if you, I think I said specifically people in the media. If you use the phrase, so-and-so has that dog in them. Like, without irony, I lose all respect for you at this point. It is so that and I guess I also hate like, oh, he's him. She's her. like after a big like play or whatever like guys we got to expand our vocabulary here who's who's him in the fast and furious universe that's this exact same thing you might as well ask this or her or her in the fast furious universe but um i'm so tired of this phrase please stop using

it like there has to be another way i know it's just tiresome for us to say so and so's tough they're tough they're tough i get it it's the same thing it's just as tiresome but it's like it's just almost like it's trying a little too hard and i'm done with it i cannot use i cannot use, I cannot hear someone's ass, does so-and-so have that dog on them anymore? I can't, or they do have that dog on them. It's, it means nothing. It means nothing anymore. That being said, Casey Carpenter, the answer is very clearly Han, um, as he came back

from being dead. So he got that dog. Oh, yeah, he wins. Inexplicably, by the way, still not explained. Just for. There are. Spoilers. There are a couple more that are unexplained.

They will. No one dies in this franchise. Iron, no one dies in the franchise except for paradoxically, the actor who tragically passed away in real life, his character is still alive. I don't want to go on a rant. I promise I will not hijack this in terms of. But they, it is, we are now three movies since Paul Walker actually died. It is getting so uncomfortable every time they try and mention and write off like why he's not there, why his character's not there. They keep bringing back Jordana Brewster.

They still have barbecues. They still have parties. And it's like, okay, I get it. You can say like, well, we don't want him to come in the missions anymore. He's looking after the kids. There's no explanation why he's like, why can't him and the kids come to the parties? Why can't, why is he not? His wife is there?

He's just not. And I'll say this. I got to give another spoiler. In the new movie, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. In the new movie, there's a scene where this guy, like, Mia is being attacked, is being attacked inside the house. And then you see unseen assistance from all.

off screen. You see like, oh, one of the attackers gets taken off screen. And for a second, Jed, I thought they're going to be like, they're like, thanks, Brian. Thanks for taking care of. Like, oh, Brian's alive. He's just off camera fighting guys. You just don't see him anymore. I thought for a second, I was like, that's not what it turns out to be. But I thought for a second, like, oh, God, no, don't do this. Honestly, I might even respect it if they went that far. No. It's insane that Jordana Bruce. rooster keeps showing up in these movies. Because they could just leave her out.

Like if I was watching that movie and she just wasn't at the barbecue, I would not have been like, huh. Where's your sister, Dom? I'm like, oh, that makes sense. She's off with the kids and Brian. I have so many things to say right now. And I just put up another question quickly. Put up another question, please.

Han has that dog in him. Yeah, all right. All right. All right. Han came back to life. I'll go. All right, all right. Is this?

What do you want me to say, bro? Has that grit and determination? Sure. Sure. I get it. It's not. It's, it's, these are, we're, I get it. These are, we're trying to find ways to say things.

Let's bring back. Listen, there's not a lot of ways to say it. But let's, let's bring back. Let's just shuffle through them like every couple of decades. Gorilla Monsoon, you say, he has that intestinal fortitude. Let's bring back intestinal fortitude. How about that? He's got sand.

He's got sand. That's so good. Very good. I want to bring back sand. He's got sand. He's just got sand. Let's do that. Let's go sand for the next few years.

Then we'll go back to intestinal fortitude. And then, you know, maybe a decade from now, we'll revisit the dog. A.K., does John Sina, does John Sina have sand, AK? Not in this movie. Not in this one. Not in 10. He's like super Disney character, nice guy. And this, it's a, it's such a strange.

That's just who John Cena is as a person, so it's fine. Yeah, he's just being John Cena. Yeah, he's just being John Cena in this movie. The only thing I've seen, like, I saw a couple trailers, and the one thing that I can't get out of my head is Vin Diesel punching Jason Momoa. And it just looks like his arms weigh 5,000 pounds. Like, he just can't get it over. And he's just punching. And each punch takes like 11 seconds to get to his face.

And Jason Momoa just stands there. smiling because they can't possibly have an effect on him because they're coming so slow at him. That's my only takeaway. Dom is, if you go back and watch one, the physical difference, Vin Diesel over the 15 years, he was like, you know, built and trim. He is just. Sleak. Now, there's a reason he is never not wearing a tank top.

All right. Let's not shame. Let's not shame anyone. But we will say they show a picture. For some reason, they use a file photo of Vin Diesel from an older movie in this movie. And I'm like, why would you do this? Why he doesn't even look like the same guy? Why did they do any of the things they did?

I don't know. Jed, we are going to do an emergency pod, I think. Just for no, I don't even know where we're going to release it. I don't know what we're going to do with it. But I have so many thoughts. I'll put it up under the damn. Damn, that movie ruled. Let's do it.

Jasonamoa has so much fun. It wasn't even an MMA fighter in this movie for us to like, connected. We were hoping, like, because Francis was in the last one. No, Francis was, yeah, nine. Gina Crono was in six and Rhonda was in seven. Jason Statham's probably trained MMA at some point. This is, I mean, he should count.

Has there been an actual MMA cage in an episode yet? Shockingly, no. That is honestly pretty surprising, but no. They've been to space, but they haven't been in a cage yet. They cooled off. They cooled off from MMA when their two MMA fighters were Gina. We know where Gina's at currently. And Rondo, who's one of the worst actors I've ever seen.

That's like, I look, not everyone can do it. I'm not saying I'd be a good actor either. She was abhorrent. And I think they may have decided to go in a different direction. Yeah. Get Fertile M.A. fighters. Jason Mamoa. I know which one I, which directorial choice I'd be making if I'm trying to round out my cast.

I'm biting my tongue right now. I have so much to say. Brie Larson Oscar winner, Ronda Rouse. There is one of the worst actors in all time. Jed, there are four Academy Award winning actresses in this movie. Rita Moreno is in it as the grandmother we've never heard of. She suddenly shows up. She's an Egot winner, guys.

She's got Emmys. She's got Tony's Oscar. She's got a all. She's in his movie. Charlize in like her third fast-reist movie. We know she won best actress for Monster. Of course, people will remember. Brie Larson, she won for Room.

She's a best actress winner. She's so bad in this movie. Oh, Helen Mirren. The queen shows up. Helen Mirren? Again, that's like her fourth Fast-Imperious movie. Helen Mirren is Jason Statham's mom. Yeah, she came in like four movies ago.

She's Jason Statham's mom in Canon. Wow. But also as like friends with Dom for reasons. No one in this movie who's supposed to be related to someone looks like, each other. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Casey, get a question, please. I know. I don't want to talk about the card anymore. I'm over it. I'm over it. Brie Larson and Scott Eastwood are siblings in this film. No, he's not really related. I thought he was Mr. Nobody's son. No, they joked about it. Oh, this is getting too,

this is getting way too granular, coocious. I have no idea what's happening. I've seen one I've seen the first one and a half of these films and then that's it. I'm sorry, right. But this is probably more enjoyable just like trying to figure out what the hell you're talking about than the actual movies. I just think about family. That's all I know. I was thinking about it in the theaters. I was like, if you went back to whatever, whatever year the first one came out and you told anyone who watched that movie and we're like, within 15 years, this franchise is going to go to space.

No one would believe you. And yet here we are. I watched that. We successfully hijacked this conversation. Yes. I think I've, listen, I just got a message on our Slack channel that we need to go to space.

And by that means we need to get out of here. So you could go ahead and hit our space exploration music, Casey. AK and I will be back tomorrow morning to discuss this card a little bit further. And only this card, AK. Okay. Okay. And only this card. on to the next one going down.

Okay, for me, tell me who needs to show up and who's the new actor that needs to make it to Fast 11? You know, they're always bringing in a new, I don't think he's going to do it. Give me DiCaprio. Chris Hemsworth, I think there's a real shot, though. I think we can get him. His wife.

I know. But she's one of two people that has ever died. Daniel Lewis come out of retirement for the past period. I would spend $400 to watch that movie in theaters. DDL is the big bad. Well, thank you for watching the UFC Vegas 73 post-fight show. Oh, is that what this is about? I had no idea.

And also, our new segment, a critical eye based on movie reviews from MFA fighting staffers, A.K. Lee, and Jed Bishu. We thank you very much for joining us. Good night, everybody. And may all your cinematic dreams come true. I'm so proud of us, I'm like you all. The hell are we doing.

They asked the questions. We're here for the people, Mike. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.