MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 77 Post Show | Did Mayra Bueno Silva Just Earn A Title Shot By Submitting Holly Holm?

Episode Date: July 16, 2023

Fresh off the incredible UFC 290, the world's premiere MMA promotion returned with another APEX offering, UFC Vegas 77, and while the card as whole was somewhat forgettable, the main event gave us something to talk about as Mayra Bueno Silva staked her claim to a bantamweight title shot by submitting former champion Holly Holm in the second round. Following UFC Vegas 77, MMA Fighting's Jed Meshew, Eric Jackman, and José Youngs react to Bueno Silva's big win, Jack Della Maddalena's difficult test against short-notice opponent Bassil Hafez in the co-main event, the lightweight futures of prospects Francisco Prado and Nazim Sadykhov, the consistent entertainment value of "The Iron Turtle" Jun Yong Park, and what was quite possibly the final women's featherweight fight in UFC history. Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Follow Eric Jackman: @NewYorkRic Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We survived. There's 13 fights that happened, and they got better at the end. We have a new women's badam-of-way contender. Myrubuinaldala submits Holly home with a ninja choke power guillotine, whatever you want to call it, in the second round. Hi, everybody. I'm Jedmishu.

M.5.com. Great website. That right there. That man, sorry, to this side. Also, M.A.fine.com, great website. New York, Eric Jackman. And on the ones and twos, Jose Youngs, who will be joining us a little later as we answer your questions at the end. For the time being, to talk about U.S.C. Vegas 77, just got done. And not here to tell you is the best card ever. But we have some things to talk about. The main event, as I said, Meyer Buena Silva submits Holly Home. 38 seconds into the second round.

Eric, let's just start right out of the gate. That's pretty cool. Not something I think many of us expected. And we have a new contender, right? Like in this pretty bad division, which is desperately in need of new contenders, MBS showed out tonight.

Yeah, you nailed it. This division is very shallow. She's currently ranked in the UFC rankings number 10. So I expect that she will be on the cusp of a title shot very shortly, if not already earning a title shot. Holly Holie Holm was number three in the USC ranking. So, yeah, I think she'll probably be somebody who's talked about as a contender in relatively short order. And credit to her, the way she got it done after it looked like Holly Holm was going to Holly Home this fight in the first round. She submitted her and ended it quickly.

So, yeah, I think we have a new contender. Yeah, Holly Holie Holm absolutely tried to Holly Holm all over this fight in the first round. A lot of clinching, a lot of wall install, classic Tim Sylvia efforts there. And then MBS just comes out in the second round. She's still pressuring throwing heat. Holm goes for the clinch again, and this time she has made the adjustment. She jumps on that power guillotine, and Holm tries to defend, can't do it. So I brought up the UFC rankings when you just mentioned where she was.

recognize she was a 10 for the UFC. She kind of speaks. If you look at her wins, that tells you something about the state of women's band-a-weight at the moment. But after that one, Holmes at number three, Rana Silva is probably going to be the number three-ranked women's band-away in the UFC come Tuesday. And the question here, Eric, I think that this probably got her a title shot. The question is just, is it next? because we have the vacant title going on right now.

Got to see where that goes. Is she going to be one half of the vacant title fight? I would assume not. I mean, it seems like the odds-on favorite for that is going to be Juliana Pena and Raquel Pennington. But a performance like this probably helps, probably helps her case. I also think the UFC for some reason might be this title fight between Pennington and Peña, if they were going to make it, could have already kind of been in the works. So maybe they're holding out for something.

This could have been something that they maybe wanted to see how that played out. But I don't know. If I'm calling it right now, I think it's going to be Peña and Pennington. But it would not surprise me. It would not surprise me. I think she's an injection of fresh blood to a division that sorely needs it and a new name to kind of shove in there. So I would not be shocked, but I think it's probably going to be Pena. Yeah, so coming into this, I thought what you said, right?

I thought that the UFC was basically waiting on this outcome. We know they love Holly Holm, former champion, probably a better sell than for being honest. Rockell Pennington is probably the one who would have gotten booted from that. But if we were talking meritocracy, Meyer Buena Silva doesn't have a great resume. Frankly, it's better than Giuliana Pena's who has no wins over fighters currently employed in the UFC. So we would hope that would happen. I think you're probably going to.

I'm going to push back on that as a little unfair because of Amanda Nune's like recent retirement. While it's accurate, I'd say that's a little bit unfair. Okay. Outside of the noon, outside of the Nune's one, which again,

totally justified in what I said, who else? Who else she beat that's in the UFC at the moment? Also, do we remember what happened in that rematch? It wasn't a very good rematch for either. So, yeah, I would say that MBS, even though she doesn't, if we're like, look at her resume. Stephanie Agger, not knocking any doors down. But yeah, I think what we're going to end up getting here will be MBS on the sidelines,

maybe in attendance for the inevitable vacant Bantamway title fight that does happen. and she will get first dibs. And I don't know if people will care, but other thing I do want to talk about this fight before we move on to other business. Great post fight. Like, just, you know, the very in there where she does the sponsor things,

it's tough scenes, but you got to get paid somehow. But it comes out there, a wonderful message said in Portuguese about fighting, you know, depression, her wife helping her through it and kind of giving a good will message to people dealing with. with something similar. Always love that.

And then a really impassioned, you know, hey, I deserve the belt. Brought her, brought out her Kenny Florey and I finished fights and calling out Juliana Pena. What did you make of the post fight, Eric? No notes. She nailed it. She did everything that she needed to do to get people on her side, to have people be invested in her story. And also to say, I'm next and I'm the one who's going to change to shake up this division in Amanda Nunes's absence. And then the little sponsor plug at the end.

But yeah, no notes. A plus. I really enjoyed what she did there. So from fight, I'm giving it at A plus, post fight I'm giving in an A plus. She set herself up nicely for something in the future. Yeah, I don't think she could have done much better than this weekend. I will say to future fighters. I get it.

You got to get the sponsor plugs in. You got to get dollars. Just be a little more creative with it, you know? You can't just be like, and I want to thank X, Y, and Z. That's going to get you the hook. DC is going to be on top of it. I'd be like, no, can't do it because they're yelling at me.

But if you come on there and you're like, you know, when I was battling depression, you know what got me through it? My beautiful wife and Tom's Red Hots or whatever it is that you're plugging. Just I'd be sad and I would just eat some talkies and it would just lift my spirit. That's how you do it, guys. Speaking of how you do it, he didn't get the W, But the co-main event, Jack Delamadalina pulls off a split decision, went over late notice, five days notice replacement Basel Hafez. And we don't have this out yet.

I would strongly, strongly believe that this is going to end up being your fight of the night. Basil Hafezahs really unharalded, comes in. Nobody's given much of a chance, massive underdog. Not saying he won, but Ricky, tell me what we're thinking about this performance from him. on the other side of it. Are we adjusting our perceptions of JDM at this moment? As far as Habibi goes, like, awesome, awesome showing in your UFC debut. I will say, while the betting lines, you know, weren't kind to him, there seemed to be

kind of a swell of fighters who have trained with him or know him that thought he was going to be gamer in this fight than the betting lines were giving him credit for. It seemed, it seemed that he had a lot of people on his side and thought that he could be competitive here. As far as JDM, I'm not adjusting my feelings on him too much just because this is the third opponent in, you know, two weeks that he's had. He's, he cut weight the first time. And now he cut weight again. I'm going to chalk it up to a very bad week for him and a very bad trip to the United States for him. And I think he'll, he'll be back on track. But I will say that there was a there was some deficiencies there was some grappling deficiencies that were made very clear

that i think other fighters can take advantage of uh obviously he was booked to fight sean brady if you're fighting somebody like sean brady you cannot look that way when it comes to the defensive grappling you cannot be diving for guillotine in really really poor uh positions um because he will make you pay so i think i'm not going to ding jdm too much but if i am a welterweight who has the grappling chops, I definitely am licking my lips a little bit and thinking that there's an opportunity there. So that's one of the tough things. This is, I think this is going to be the fight that gets talked about a lot more coming out of this event because women's band-in-weight just sort of is women's band-of-weight at this point, right? Like, there's not going to be a big fan base that's itching

to talk about Mar-Barena Silva, despite how great that performance was. And conversely, J-DM, I mean, And Brendan Fitzgerald called him at the start of the fight, maybe the hottest prospect in MMA. I wouldn't go that far, but he is certainly on a short list of those guys that have gotten fans really, really excited in the last 18 months. And then this is the performance. And the thing you said there is the thing that I'm the most interested in moving forward is guys with grappling chops because, I mean, welterweight has forever been a division

defined by guys with grappling chops. I mean, just look at the history of it. Name one welterweight champion that was not primarily like a a wrestle grappler. I mean, Leon right now is arguably not that, though we have seen him use that a lot in his fights. And other than that, you've got to go back to like, what, BJ Penn? It's just, it has been a division owned by that fight style.

And as you look at JDM currently in the UFC's rankings, Number 14. Got a couple of guys there who could maybe be interesting fights if he's trying to move up the ladder in Ian Machado, Gary. That would be a fun prospect matchup. You know, Neil Magni, not like defined by his grappling game, but look at the rest of the top of this division. Kamala Usman, Kobe Covington, Lohmah, Mohammed, Hamzaa Shamaev, even though I know he's not going to be there. Gilbert Burns, the aforementioned Sean Brady, Shavkat. Like, he is going to have to solve that.

And so my question for you here, Eric, is you said you're not docking him for this. Is that just entirely because of all of the changes here? Or is this, hey, every prospect has like a tough, a tough out. He's going to learn from this get better sort of where. Give me the gauge on why we're not looking at this and saying this could be catastrophic for this young man. It's 100% because of what he's gone through, because of what he went through in relation to UFC 290 and then this week. Um, it's just tough. Like, first of all, you know, when you're a fighter flying from Australia, um, to, uh, the United States to fight anyway, that's always tough.

The, the, the cut is a little bit tougher just because of how far the distance is. Then you get there. Your opponent gets switched. Your game, you take it. You cut weight. Now he's out. You have to cut again. And you're fighting the next weekend.

There's just a lot going on there that I'm going to, I'm going to give him a mulligan. like not obviously not his best performance still got the job done but i'm going to give him a mulligan just firmly based on that as i said though if i'm if i'm other fighters if i am if i am the welterweight division which you astutely laid out is is a wrestling heavy division i'm i'm seeing this as my chance now is it going to ultimate like when he does have the the set opponent and have the time to prepare and comes in fresh is that grappling going to look as bad is his cardio going to hold up is a question that remains to be seen but i'm not willing to close the book on that because of this performance i'm i'm giving him the leeway

so uh i will discuss this tomorrow with my kek on onto the next one i'm subbing in for a k lee but where do you want to see jdm go from this right eric i mean um does this at least merit maybe uh he was getting the rockets that this was a we're going to give you sean brady and if you win this. This is a meet, like we are firing you up this division as fast as possible. Does this performance at least, do you just go back to the Sean Brady well if that's an option? Do you look at something else like that or maybe maybe temper back a little bit more here? Where would you go with JDM at this moment? Yeah, it's an interesting question.

If I'm the UFC, I might push a little higher, honestly. Like, I don't think you rebook Brady, who's currently in their rankings number eight. I think you probably start hopping, right? you want to get some favorable matchups like you could do worse than like stephen wonderboy thompson i know he's booked to fight shortly but you you start putting him in there with uh wonder boy maybe ballal is is an option um it seems like he's you know kind of sideline at the moment um you you start getting to belal and gilbert burns it's inevitable that you're going to get into the grappling you start getting to Shavcott, Colby Covington, guys like that, it's inevitable. So I think it's honestly

a little bit sink or swim. You might as well, you might as well take the shot with somebody higher if you're, if you're the U.S.C. If you're really trying to push them, you might as well take a shot with somebody higher as opposed to rebooking the Sean Brady fight, in my opinion. Interesting. I will let you know my answer tomorrow or not know. That's how you do it in the business. I will say I would have loved a Jeff Neal fight, but I'm a Machado Gary has, has beaten him to that. I do want to talk about Bezo Hafez, but before we get that,

we've got got bonuses. Do you want to play a guessing game or you want me to just tell you, Eric? I'll play. I'll play. All right. We got Fight of the Night and performances. What are we going for? Fight of the night,

Hafez and J.D.M. Nailed it. Wow, with the sound drop. Well done. And Jose. Shout out. Um, yeah, not even missing a beat. I mean, this is just what a performance.

Who needs Casey? Who needs it? Performance of the night, Jose Young's. I'm going to go next. No, um, I'm going to say Myra Buenos Silva. Nailed it. Last one's the one that's possibly tricky, though. Yeah.

A lot of decisions on this card. So there aren't that many finishes to choose from here. I'm going to go with the iron. Did he get it done? He did not. And I believe he should have been. I think he got a tough one here. Francisco Prado for his spinning back elbow and monstrous hammer fists.

And we will talk about that fight in just a moment. But I do want to give Basil Hoffa some shine here. Man comes in on five days notice. The Habibibi, nobody was giving him a chance. Habibi. Habibi, okay. The Habibi. No one giving the Habibi.

No one giving the Habibi a chance And I mean, if he had gotten knocked out in the second or third round People I think still would have come away from this really impressed by I know it's not everyone's favorite phrase A.K. Lee, when you're listening to this cover your ears Man's got that dog in him He came to fight the whole way through standing, grappling, had a good solid game plan

Looks great getting off the bus What's your takeaway from Hoff is here? Yeah, I'm interested to see where he goes Because, you know, obviously His style is different than JDMs, right? Almost polar opposite. But then when you, like in the grappling, he's going to have the advantage and he looks solid there.

But then when you look at how he did on the feet When he was still fresh in the beginning of the fight, he was throwing some heat And he was taking some heat and shaking it off. So I'm interested to see where he goes. I think he's got a pretty well-round-a-game. and I think he could be somebody that kind of capitalizes on this momentum that he had, that people are going to remember, oh, he's the guy who kind of pushed JDM.

So, yeah, I'm excited about the prospects of what he's got going on, because that chin was really solid, and he wasn't ready to fold at any point in that fight, and he was throwing some heat back at JDM. You know, credit to JDM's chin, because there's some shots in there that probably would have put some other people out. So yeah, very, very interested in what he has neck. Yeah, very much credit to, to, I mean, both of their chins. I'm glad you brought it up because I thought, like, Huffus is not going to win any beauty pageants with his striking. But even late in the fight, he was competitive.

I mean, with a dude who we have come to view as this absolute monster on the feet. Like, if the reason you're getting tagged on the feet is because JDM is ripping you to the, to the midsection, there are like six fighters in this weight class who can even pretend to do that. The rest of the guys are just going to be head hunting and you'll probably be okay. So I'm coming out of this like incredibly impressed with Hafez and, you know, I want to see if this is a real thing. You know, if he can replicate this or if there's just confluence of events and a dude fighting for for his chance at the brass ring. So great for him. Support for this show comes from the Audible Original.

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Any issues with the stoppage before we get into the performance? I didn't have any issues. I could see why a Zytar would protest. I understand why, but I did not personally have any issues. He was taking some heavy heat and he was gone at certain points in there. So yeah, no issues on the stoppage for me. but I also understand why the fighter in that position, a Zytar in this scenario,

would have wanted a little bit more, but I tend to err on the side of earlier rather than late. Yeah, I'm with you, but saw certainly some pushback from other fighters. We had a couple of responses coming there saying, you got to give the guy a chance, and I felt that it was a good stoppage. I was actually even sort of with Prado. He said in his post fight, I thought it was a little late. I thought there was a window there earlier where it looked like his eyes rolled back in the back of his head and was like, why aren't we stopping this?

And then then he sort of got it back together, but was still getting clattered. So Francisco brought him. He's 21 years old. Man, undefeated coming in, not coming into this, coming into his UFC debut where he takes on Jamie Malarkey on short notice. Malarkey is monstrous in the cage compared to him because he's not like a huge lightweight. Malarkey is very big. loses comfortably but gives a good showing of himself but now he comes out here his first real fight

like a full full opportunity looks really good what are we thinking about Prado and where he is as as a prospect yeah I mean he was he was a dog in this fight wait do I have that right he was a dog in this fight right I believe he was a very slight dog but close to bed close to fight time they had gotten close almost to pick him

that line had been moving around for a while though fair enough um but a guy who's uh very dangerous in his i tar so um i'm you know the the same thing i said for hafaz like i'm intrigued to to kind of see where he can go um i like i like this fight for him um it it you know it's it's a good step up it's a good quite frankly like i think a zitars a tougher fight than malarkey outside of the stylist um sorry outside of the physical attributes um so i like that he was able to get to get this done in an impressive fashion. I'm interested to see where he goes. I kind of missed a little bit of the post fight.

What was with the gloves going down? What was happening there? It was hard to make out, but I think he was doing the fake retirement thing, you know, that we've seen other people do, but he have walked it back very quickly. It's just never a good joke, so don't do that in general, particularly if you're a 21-year-old dude. You're pretty clearly not retiring. So,

uh, I don't know why he decided that that was the thing to do, but, uh, wasn't great. Wasn't great, Bob. Uh, elsewhere,

elsewhere on the card. I, I'm really excited about Prado, 21 lightweight is always an incredible division. So dope. Uh, else on the card. The best.

I would agree and I believe our producer on this episode. I would agree. And I believe our producer on this episode. Nice. I won't say any names, but another member of MMA fighting did reach out to me privately during this event, which had several lightweight fights on it, and all of them were dope and was like, I don't understand why people argue. Like, these dudes are maybe top 100 guys, and they are putting on an unbelievable fire. And out like, yeah, it doesn't make any sense at all. Speaking of other lightweights, we're going to skip the Iron Turtle just because we're right here.

We're at 155. And Nazim Sadikov beats Terrence McKinney, who does the full range of Terrence McKinney in one fight. First round, pretty dominant for McKinney, spends most of it in a backpack with the body triangle, fishing for a neck. Gets that almost immediately and is there for the round. Can't get it. Gives up the position at the end. Comes out in the second round, and Sadikov is after him from the jump. and McKinney sort of sort of welts under this ends up in a weird scramble I'm not sure I've ever seen as I at least can't recall

McKinney had his full arm tucked behind his back in this scramble so he just actually had no way to defend and I haven't seen enough replays to see how that got there but what's the takeaway from Terence McKinney because this guy comes in really exciting They were even talking about him tonight As you know this great prospect Everyone's excited about him You think back like his UFC debut A second knockout over Matt Favola

Who's currently ranked And then this is two in a row for him Where are we out on Terrence McKinney And on Zizim Sattikoff? Yeah for McKinney I'm not ready to like Pull the plug on this yet Even like in his losses

Even his losses There's there's moments where it just looks like Yeah he's got it and it between the wrestling and between the the knockout power it's kind of like he's a hard he's one of these guys that even when he's going to lose he's a hard guy to give up on because he's so talented because he's got so much by way of tools he tweeted after the fight sorry guys my arm got trapped shit happens I felt great all around moved good avoid hits just got caught up in my take down we will be back love you guys who supported

to watch. So, you know, another, you know, example of him saying he's going to bounce back. And this is kind of what's been the story lately. But yeah, he's got this thing that I just can't give up on. And I'm not ready to kind of write the story there. You just have, I guess he just needs one of those fights to get back on track. But I don't know where you look within the lightweight division, as we kind of just talked about, like, every, Everybody in here is a killer. Like, you don't have to be in the top 50, and they're all killer. So I don't know if the road's going to get any easier,

but I do think there's something where he needs to kind of just get back on track. But I'm not ready to write him off yet. He's so promising and just even the fights he loses, there's moments where you're like, yeah, Terence McKinney is a dude. As far as Sattakov, like, I think he just did what he needed to do in this fight. Like he, you know, the first round wasn't great. And then he comes in and was able to kind of take advantage of a situation with McKinney. Did what he needed to do.

Sounds like he wants to fight on the New York card. Makes all the sense in the world. I think you'd give him somebody who's equally, you know, equal experience and at his level and just see where he can go. Yeah. I'm giving up on Terrence McKinney. I'm just going to say it. Not as just, I think I'm not giving up. I'm just accepting who he is as a fighter,

which is a guy who's really fun, but probably not like good. But because it's lightweight, if you're competent, you can randomly be the top 20 dude just any given day of the week because the margins are so small. But I think we've just seen enough of him now to be like,

he's still youngish, 28 he can develop, he's not that long in the game. But that round, and I'll segue this into the Sotikov, the end of the first round is what killed it for me because Sadakov turns the position around and gets up to his feet and he

he is hunting I guess the only word to describe what is happening at the end of this is okay I just I just took your best shot and I am the predator and I am stalking you now and McKinney's entire demeanor changed he did not like that he started taking wild shots to try and get to the body and round two was just that until the finish.

And yes, like his arm did get caught up in that transition, but that's not why he got finished. That's not why he got caught. He didn't want what Sotikov was bringing to the table once the momentum had shifted. And I think that that sort of is who he is as a fighter. That's a tough one to overcome. So instead he's just going to be dope.

And there's nothing wrong with being an incredibly fun action fighter because there's a reason this man has 20 fights and has never come. to a decision. He is very fun to watch and I think we'll get that. Sadakov, though, I am very, very interested. I'm, I'm more interested in Prado as like an overall prospect just because he is so young. But I mean, Sotikov coming out of a great team, still 29, not yet 30. Good signs. And I loved, like I said, I loved how he approached it after he got up at the end of round one of just, okay, I'm going to get him now and very, very interested. But like you, I don't know what you do.

You just throw a dart, man. It doesn't matter who you're pitting him against in the top 50 at lightweight. Just have some fun and see what it is, see what goes. So dope fights. A couple others talk on the main card. We'll run down the prelims very quickly. And then we'll just hop into fan questions, you know. The Iron Turtle, the most underrated man in MMA, possibly.

Juni Young Park submits Albert Dariah in the second round just before the buzzer, rear naked choke, after kind of putting it on him down the stretch of round two and a very Iron Turtle performance just kept coming, kept with the pressure, rugged. It was super awesome. I love me some Juni Young Park. Eric, how do you feel about Junior Park?

He's won seven of eight. Where does he fit in in the middleweight picture right now? That's just what I was going to say. like the dude's on a nice little run and it's not bad names on this resume like he's he's reaching um his potential he is living up to it i feel like he's got to start cracking the rankings and really like making a push he's he's super well-rounded he's super durable he's how old is he he's 32 so like you know now's the time um now's i'm interested to see where he goes like this is a dude who's shown that like at this level

in the UFC's Walterweight division it's not just that he can compete but he can kind of excel and I like this four fight like his last loss was to Gregory Rodriguez Greg Gregory in an incredible fight

he almost had Greg he almost had Robocop dead like four times too. Just Robocop pulled a miracle comeback out of nowhere which with the power that he has he can be prone to That's what he does. Yeah, he does that.

No shame. No shame in that loss by any means. And he's already now back on a four-fight win streak. Like, I'm ready to see him against some of the names that we're used to seeing in this division and just seeing where it goes for him. I think he's earned that. I think he has definitely put himself in the position where, like, he deserves somebody who's name you recognize and is up there. I'm going to have to figure out who I'm matching him up against. I kind of would have liked Bruno Faheda, but

Broussabaev just iced him, which sort of came out of nowhere. I guess maybe you do that. I don't know, but I am, Junion Park is now appointment viewing for me. If I know he's on a card, I am at least excited about what that's going to be because he has been delivering really good fights, time in and timeout, and overachieving. So loved it. Running down the rest of the main card, the last fight there, Norman Dumont, Chelsea Chandler,

that is a fight that happened. That is, I'm going to go ahead and guess the final women's featherweight fight in the history of the UFC, at least for some time. Do you have any thoughts on that, or should we run down the prelims and get to the questions? Just that, like, poor Norma Dumas,

like, she's been angling for this featherweight thing for so long and I just wish there was some payoff but yeah ultimately I think you're right that this division is is not long for this world I mean I already thought it was gone but turns out it's not so yeah yeah I think this is the final women's featherweight fight on the books so I suspect we won't have anymore unless somebody blows wait for a ban on weight fight but could be wrong. Credit to Dumont, she at least looked pretty good in this. She was tagging Chandler early.

The sprint, I think we're going to have the sprinting away from Chelsea Chandler will probably be in our lives for a little bit as an MMA meme, but not much to say on this fight. Otherwise, your prelim results, Melsic Bagdasarian defeats Tucker Lutz, unanimous decision with the help of, I don't remember who the referee was, but not getting a point deducted for his 8,000. owls.

We got to talk about this one just because someone's going to ask and we should head this off. Victoria Dutakova defeats Estella Noon's in the worst thing I've seen in quite some time. Dutokov shoots for a takedown. Noon's goes to post with their left arm. And if you haven't seen it, don't. You don't need to. Or you can go to enemy fighting and check the video. Narnly elbow dislocation.

Eric, how awful? was that one for you yeah that was very rough i mean even the like i was looking at it again in stills and like the arm is just completely the other direction it's it's one of those that you you don't like to see and to hear her screams um i hope to the screams are awful yeah i i just hope to rinse that from my brain as as soon as possible um you hate to see it you know obviously no no fault of her opponent. Not even really like kind of done by her opponent. She just posted on the arm and and we've seen what happens when that can go wrong sometimes.

But yeah, speedy recovery. And again, baby face, Myra Buenos Silva like shouted her out in the in the post fight. So in her post fight victory speech. So yeah, pulling for her. I hate to see it. Rough. Yeah, NBS did great. Yeah, that was terrible.

Don't go watch it. because you don't need to. The X-ray. The X-ray is also awful. Mokazal Costa defeats Austin Lingo, unanimous decision. Evan Elder defeats General Valdez, unanimous decision. Azit Maxim defeats Tyson-Nam split decision in a much more competitive fight than I think most people expected from the 16-0 prospect.

Alexander Munoz defeats Carl Daton unanimous decision, and Island-Perez Defeats Ashley Evan Smith, unanimous decision. to 10-8 rounds in that from two judges in that particular fight. There's a lot of prelim decisions. In fact, it was all decisions but for horrific arm injury. The prelims were a tough hang. But the main event, it was way more fun. And the main card was at least something decent.

So that's the rundown. Jose, hop yourself on in here. We don't need to spend two hours talking about this fight. Now, we didn't give $2.90 an hour and a half. not giving this one it. If y'all have questions for us, shoot them in. Jose, we'll find them.

We'll talk about them. We'll discuss the wonderful things that happened tonight at the apex. DJ Nataran. Pride rules JDM1. Yeah, so we didn't talk about this. I guess we should. Split decision and apparently controversial. I don't think it should be,

but a lot of Basel Hafe's scorecards out there. fellas did you all you all both scored this for jdm correct i thought it was a very very clear rounds two and three for jdm to the point i mean you could also give them the first like i think it was close enough that there's there's wiggle room there uh but very clearly two and three for me i don't i don't really understand where the round two hafe's cards come from Jose, are you a Hafez truther? I thought, like, just based off what I know judge, how judges judge fights, I'm like, they're probably going to give it to JDM, but I didn't feel one way or another about it.

I just kind of accepted that JDM won. It's funny that you say this because I felt the opposite way. I was like, it's like, I think JDM won, I could definitely see the judge is giving this to I'll tell you what, though. I'll tell you what. They should it. There were at least nine or ten current UFC fighters that tweeted that they thought JDM lost. And not, like big names, like Usman, Jamal Hill, Justin Gagey, they were all said Chris Curtis.

They were all like bad call. Yeah, very, very tough. Cap Gallery. If we're judging damage like the judges are supposed to do, JDM won that fight, no question. This is a very small thing. We don't judge damage. judge impact. They're not exactly the same thing.

Just everyone short-hands it. But yeah, I mean, I just think, I don't even think there's really a good argument for half as to win the second round because, like, he didn't have that much control even or do much, whereas I was very happy to give him the first round, particularly if that was in question, locking up that arm triangle at the end, which like maybe make the argument J-D-M just didn't defend because it was short time. but that was in. I was like very much in

and certainly enough to ice the round there. But in the second round, JDM was battering him around the cage for good stretches of that. I personally scored it 2927. I gave JDM a 108 for the third because Hoffins was functionally out on his feet at one point in time.

But I think we got the ultimate correct winner, but we didn't bring that up. So thank you for the question. Brandon QFG, love to Bibby's performance. Don't know what else you said because that moved right on past it. He says no way he won that fight. He's agreeing with you guys. Oh, oh, perfect.

Max Rapkin, Usman Gatier in Denver with Hafez. So yeah, oh, they're playing the teammate card. That's pretty, pretty likely the case there. I mean, there were some fighters that would ever be prejudiced. There were fighters who were not affiliated who also scored it that way. So it is one of those, it is one of those that I guess is, is not as clear to everybody, but I did not have any issues.

I actually, I thought there was a very realistic outcome that it would be a draw. Like it would be 10-9-10-9-8-10. I thought, I said it was either going to be J-DM or a draw. That's what I thought. No, he didn't end up getting any 10-8s, right? No 10-8.

That round three should have been 10-8. Well, it was on its way to 10-8 until he was on top. for like a minute. Yeah. I think that that probably kept it from being a 10-8, though, for me, it was very much to worth it. It's, yeah, no 10-8s. I mean, how?

When you say there were fighters, Dominic Cruz at the end of that was like, I don't know. Hoff is might have just won. And I was like, I hope you're not right. But. Yeah, didn't he also say it was at the end of round two or round three where he, like, reversed the position and did absolutely nothing with it where he was like, that might have won in the round. Might have won in the round.

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For alcohol, you must be legal drinking age. Please enjoy responsibly. Product availability varies by region. details. All right. There's a lot of questions about this fight. So I'll just use this question to just kind of talk about it as well. This is the last question we'll have on the JDM fight because there's a million of them.

Let me change that size. Max Rapkin. Can we acknowledge a short notice fight also being short notice for the huge favorite? Sarukian, Evlov, now JDM. It's tough to take on a guy with nothing to lose and next to zero prep. I mean, that's just super true. Like I've I feel like we've said this at various points in time, but like I do think largely that it still is worse for the short notice fighter because at least Fighter A has been prepping for a fight even if the dynamics are entirely different. It's still more than nothing.

But it is, I mean, it's a huge shift. And even though Hoff is the arguably was probably doing something similar to what Sean Brady was doing, it's it's still just a huge change. He got his fight push back a week, so his peak time is off. Like, yeah, it's enormous. I don't know if you guys have any thoughts on this. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to echo that. But I think there is, I would honestly actually go the other direction where I do think it's harder on the one who's got the spot that's up for grabs.

Like, I think this is a tougher spot for JDM than it is for Hafez. Like, again, we kind of talked about it. Like, Hafez lost this fight, but we're just as excited about what his future prospects. are and we're kind of seeing people be like cooling off on jdm there's a lot to lose like if you don't come out there and absolutely like if you don't do what bow nickel did people start to question you they're like why is this guy even in the fight with you that's a that's a really tough spot to be in um the prep to your point though like they're you know they're the ones in camp and other people are i think there was a time where you you were presuming that they're coming off the couch

i don't think that's the case anymore like i think a lot of these guys guys are kind of ready for these opportunities. This seems to happen in the UFC and other organizations like all the time. So I think he was ready for the fight. But I think there's a lot to lose. And Max, this commenter makes a fair point. Like this is a tough position to be in when you're somebody. Like JDM's a ranked like a ranked guy who's about to fight Sean Brady.

And now he's fighting somebody who most people who are watching this show and watching the event did not know before the event. tough and suruki in the same thing yeah and i i do want to know i don't think so was sir was siruki in a short notice opponent i don't think yeah it wasn't like soup no because he was originally going to fight um moikano wasn't he yeah wasn't uh just happened or no it was going to be morcano but then it was joe kum sylva i think joe is scheduled to fight morconno on the 20 he was scheduled to fight morconno on the They pushed him back to Joaquin Stilvon on June 27th. It wasn't massive. He had more time.

Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't like a five-day notice like this, but it was a, you guys talk like the end of April. Like Terrence McKinney was a short notice fight when he knocked out. Yeah. Matt Rivola. And obviously, Evalov, he had that rough one.

And then 289, I think it was Matt Chanel was fighting David Devorak. And I think Chanel pulled out. And then what was it? it erc ercig i think pronounced eric steven ursig yeah that was a short notice one too is the point where he's like i didn't know who david devorek was and i didn't know who he was ranked good on you stephen ercccc now a top 10 yeah like fly waiting the ucc rancas this question is probably better for you too i don't know if this is true but you guys are the betting people Wayne of Silver by Sub was plus 400.

Wouldn't shock me if that was true. Let's see if I can look that up quickly. Yeah, I could find that out. Because she was a plus 140 underdog, so a finished prop is probably going to be that, though I would have thought it was a little lower. But yeah, I mean, the truth is Hollyholm hasn't been finished a bunch. She has been submitted the one time by Misha Tate,

make sure I'm not forgetting something. No, she got submitted the ones by Misha Tate. And we talked about in the pre-fight Q&A. She got clobbered by Amanda. And that's it. Like she fought Chris Cyborg, who clobbers everyone and she didn't get clobbered. Like she's been beaten.

Yeah. Hadn't been beaten like this a lot. Because even the Tate submission, she was winning that fight, and then the fifth round had happened. She was three minutes away from and still, and then rematching Rhonda an international fight week. Yep.

and then Tate just found it. That number is roughly accurate. Like it's in the 350 to 4 range. So yeah. That's a nice one if you sniped it. Holly Homeisha Tate. Holly home Isha, Tate, too? Is that the fight now?

Considering Misha was supposed to fight, Buenos Silva? That is the fight, actually. That's a great call. I think that's it. Unless you're convincing Ron to come back and then you can run on that one. Good job. Oh, boy, this rocked us stuff. I'm just saying also on that betting thing,

I don't know what the odds were for Jack Delah Mena. Jack, Jack Della wins by decision, but I guarantee you it was over plus 400. Oh, I'm sure. The over under on that fight was. The overrunner on the fight at two and a half was like minus 550. So to even make it to the scorecards was something to do. Had Silva sub second $3 to $60.

Yep. I mean, that's a hell of a poll, David Williams. Good for you. uh jdm via decision was like in the eight to nine hundred uh plus eight to nine hundred range so yeah it was it was very unlikely on the book i mean it was unlikely for the whole of that fight did that thing went to decision basil half is as tough as hell uh jesse mbs versus pinnington the only fight to make i feel like i already made my statement on this this is the fight i would choose to do but I don't believe it's the one that we will be getting.

No. Juliana Pena has already tweeted. Yeah, where does that put Giuliana Pena then if you do this one? According to Giuliana, she'll fight both of them in one day. Of course she would. Juliana does love to say stuff. I would say Giuliana Pena can sit cage side and watch these two women who actually have wins. But I don't think that's what's going to happen.

I suspect we get Juliana versus Rocky and MBS will be sitting cage. side but yeah crazier things have happened I'm gonna throw like a few comments all back to back now you might think these are all the same comment but they are

I assure you they are from different people okay hmm that sure looks like a turtle emoji to me oh turtles and the South Korean flag a lot of South Korean flags

turtle power Park versus Easy 2024 I would watch the hell out of that I do not believe we'll be getting Park versus easy One more Can you pass on a message for us Eric?

Okay, yes The people are demanding There are Our comment We have almost 800 comments On this live chat right now And I'm willing to bet a quarter of them Are turtle emojis

I love that I don't know It's unbelievable When Junio and Park got over, but this is fantastic. He's extremely lovable. His post fights with DC are always funny. The dance moves are pretty damn solid. Like, those are, those are a great, great celebration.

There seems to be a lot of people upset that he didn't get a bonus. It's pretty surprising. That would have been my pick. That would have been my pick. Like, no disrespect to Prado. And like I said, I thought it was a good finish. but if there is any sort of controversy about your finish, it probably means you don't have the best performance of the evening.

You know, like, cool, it was a spinning back elbow that was dope. But if there are real fighters who are like, that was garbage, then give it to the man for whom there is no controversy. And he did a celebratory dance, which is really fun. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Iron Turtle with the best dance of the evening. Didn't, wasn't there?

Oh, no, that was it. There was a twerking. There were some toys. There were a few comments on that, but we don't need to. A little, a couple people trying to matchmake for Habibi for you, Jed. Okay. I like this. Ooh.

Oh, yeah. Habibi versus Fialho. Two bald dudes breathing hard. I mean, I would watch the hell out of that. That is, that is a sick fight. I like that a lot. Another guy earlier in the day. Same thing.

Fialho booked. Need Habibi versus Feebbi. Fialho. Wow, love that. Fialho is not booked. He is coming off three losses. So I assume he's probably on thin ice, but I'd watch out of that. I think Danoi.

Danoi likes Fialo because he would try. He was, if he had beaten Jake Matthews, I think it was Jake Matthews, he would have broken Hamzot's record for fastest, like least amount of time to three wins. I am on record. April, May, June. I am on record saying,

I have never been overly impressed with Fiala whatsoever to the point where people have been trying to like make him a thing. And I'm like, I am not. I was so unimpressed with Fialo that I was unimpressed with Jake Matthews. Like after Jake Matthews beat Fialo, I was like, that's not even impressive. You just beat a guy who's not that good. And then lo and behold, Jake Matthews got like teed up his last fight regardless. I move on. See, that, that's impressive because me and Chaheen got hoodwinked by Jake Matthews.

Casey, too. We were very much like, oh, Jake Matthews, 25-year-old Jake Matthews has finally put all the pieces together. This kid's going to be a top 15 guy for the next seven years. And then Matthew Simulzberger just definistrates him. As one does. It's tough. As one does when you fight a guy outside of the top 50. Come on, anyway.

Good on you. Dariah versus Boe Nickel. Hmm. I mean. It's not awful. I just don't know. I don't know what we're accomplishing with it other than handing, do I have another loss?

But you got to put some bodies in there against Bo. Yeah. What are we doing for either guy in that scenario? Yeah, I agree. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't know what we're doing for Bo in general other than getting him reps, which is fine. Like, he needs reps.

But I don't think there's a bad way to book Bo Nicol. You just feed him people and let him fist fight for a while and figure out how to do it. How many more reps do you need? That's the question. I think realistically, like, you could start throwing him in against top competition and see where the chips fall, but I just don't think it's necessary. Like, he looks really good right now. Just imagine if he's been boxing for 18 months. What if we let him do it for two years, three years?

And like, all right, now it's time. you have developed like real things. We're going to slow roll in that long. Geez. Oh, man. Yeah, that's how I always feel about prospects, but I also understand that that's probably not what's going to happen. Now a lot of people are throwing out bow nickel,

like bow nickel, Brad Tavares, Bo nickel, Brian Battle, Boehnickle versus Bill in the ball. Bo nickel fought last week, and it was terrific. We enjoyed it greatly. Did he break a sweat? By the technical definition he fought, he competed in a mixed martial arts contest. And it was really fun for all 38 seconds of it.

That he recalls frame by frame second by second that he's able to... Everyone was very impressed by that. It was only 38 seconds. Of course you can recall it. I can remember something that happened three days ago that was significant because it was 30 seconds. Yes, but I mean, just the... The precision of the descriptions of, you know, where he's like, I'm in here, I'm out here, the slip here, left, straight left here. It was impressive.

He's a professional. Give me those breakdowns. Give me those breakdowns of his 2019 national championship. I wonder if he could. I bet he can. I'm not saying the man can't. But everyone was way excited by that. I was like, dude, he'd nuke this man in 38 seconds.

There's not much to remember It's not that hard There just wasn't a whole lot of things that happened When he was at Media Day And I asked him I go, what was the last time You were expected to lose Because you know every time

Bo-Nichael fights someone Just like bring out the casket I asked him when's the last time you were the underdog And he goes, I can't remember In the back of my head I'm like I'm pretty sure It's like I'm pretty sure you were a massive Underdog against David Taylor But I could

Yeah I was to say David Taylor for sure he was I was in the back of a but I wasn't confident enough to challenge Bo Nickel to his face that I just caved David David Taylor who went on to win the gold and was a world champion and also soundly defeated him at the trial so definitely an underdog David Taylor because that was why I was so excited about Bo Nickel in the first place because when he came in he's like I'm gonna make one Olympic run see how it goes like Joe you're competing like the hardest American weight class you're not you're great you're gonna get worked and then you can

do MMA. It'll be great. Yes. Is that what happened? Like, Booneckle probably could have meddled if he wasn't competing in one of the toughest wrestling white classes in America. Correct. But instead, he's just going to kill people for us, and it's going to be great. Don't know how we got into Bo Nicol.

You guys don't want to talk about Norman DuPont? I can't find it. Thanks, Jessica. I saw your comment. Thank you. I can't find the comment anymore, but people are asking what to do with Terrence McKinney. There were a few of them earlier in them. I know you guys talked about it a bit, but.

do you tell him to take the time off because he fought January, fall in July. He's been pretty steady. If he wanted to fight in December, I'd be okay with it, but I don't think we need to rush him back given he's taken two pretty tough Ls this year. But I saw someone suggest it, and I'm for it. I want to see what you say though, Ricky.

I have a name. Yeah, who is it? Let's just do Patty. Patty's not going to fight real people. Patty can definitely beat Terrence McKinney Or Terrence can win It'll be really funny

I forget somebody commented it earlier And I don't remember who it was So shouts to you good sir Or madam But yeah We can do the Patty thing That is Seattle Ryan

T-Rex versus Patty His approach of like Bounce right back And just get back in there And I'm going to do my thing Just does not seem to be working so I'm with you on maybe pushing that timeline a little further. I mean, Patty's not ready until at least December, January.

Yeah, Patty's going to be out. It's a little odd because Patty is technically coming off a win. So I, is on two losses. I think I like T-Rex. I like to keep the, because like Patty and Matt Fervola have seemed to kind of matchmake themselves. For one, Patty comes back because they both coming off wins. And there's a few comments saying they want to see Terrence versus Ottman now, because they both come off losses today.

They're both on two-five. They're both coming off back-to-back losses. Yeah, that's actually-bad losses too. That makes more sense to me just from the perspective of, if I'm Patty Pimbleau, like, why? Right. Like, is there any world where I would take that fight? I would probably say no.

Like, it just does not make sense. If I'm trying to move up, like, Patty Pimbleet is everybody else thinks Patty Pimbleau lost that fight, but Patty Pimbleau won that fight, and he's probably aiming upward. It would be a weird fight, but McKinney would be a game opponent and bring it to him. If there's any world where Patty Pimbley takes it,

I like the fight, but I just can't see it. What about this Jordan Levitt versus T-Rex? I was just looking at that. I don't hate it. It feels like a fight where theoretically, I would think that T-Rex can get the win there, and that sort of seems like what you want to do, because there's some juice to to McKinney.

Like people like him and you'd like him to stop losing. He could also just lose to Jordan Levitt in like a real not great fashion. And then then he's spiraling in a bad way. So it's risky, but I don't hate it from a like reasonable matchmaking standpoint. I just feel like his fighting style, we talked about it. Like the chances that he's going to lose are decent because everybody in this division is good. Like it's just there there are no like get them a win guys. It's just nothing too tough.

Yeah. If you pull up the tapologies like rankings, which you know, they're tapology. So it's not thing. Sadekov's 64. I think it's just it's there's just nowhere to go. There's no there's no safe haven in 155. Yeah. Isatar's fine.

That fight would be really fun. So I'm actually pretty into that fight. I can't find the comment again either, but someone made a good point comparing. Is Terrence McKinney just the lightweight Machuan Americani? Like come in with that eight second knockout and then was just like lost bad one big

until he was out of the UFC. I think he's a little more well-rounded than Mach-Wan, right? Like I think Mach-Wan's like a glass cannon. Like, use the definition of that. like you smokes you or he just gets broken to pieces. Not, I know, you're making a face. Terse Spaghetti's pre-glass canady.

He, here, I'll say it like this, though. One or lost by finish. He, you're right, you're right, but in the losses, like, even against Drew Dover, right? Like, a lot of dudes get taken out by that. It happens to be that Drew Dover has the chin of all chins, but like, he's, he's in fights where, like, I feel like he's got it. it. Whereas like when I think about Makwan, it's like that night he either has it or not, right? He's going to step in there and he's going to, he's going to smoke you because he's got it or he's just going to get smoked. And I feel like McKinney's more in the camp of like, damn, he had, he had this or he was in it.

And then all of a sudden it kind of went to shit. Like his arm gets trapped in the weirdest possible position. So yeah, I mean, it's not unfair. Maybe I'm stumping for McKinney too much. It's not unfair. But I just, I feel like he's, I feel like he's well-rounded. I feel like there will be a point where you can put it together. I really do believe he can put it together. But he needs to. He really needs to. Time's running out.

Time's running out. Whoever, whoever said Makwan, that is a chef's kiss to you. Yeah. You, exactly how I view him. And this will be the final one. I can't remember which fight it was. Who was the, uh, who was the, uh, Who did you'll know when you see it.

Do you guys think the UFC needs to put razor sharp fences to stop fighters from grabbing the cage? The person you're looking for is Melcic Bag to say. There he is. Who used about a hundred fence grabs, one groin shot, and an eye poke to eke out a 2928 decision over Tucker Lutz. They don't need to use razor sharp fences because I got to tell you that's maybe the worst idea I've ever heard. for a lot of reasons. They just need to enforce the rules. It doesn't seem that hard to me.

You can't grab the cage. I mean, one, you could try and do plexiglass, but that probably would be really bad. Concussion city. Oh, yeah, also that. Or, and this is crazy. You just enforce the rules on the books, which say that you're not allowed to grab the cage.

And so, like, I personally am very pro, just taking points. Because I think if you just come out and say, hey, we're taking points for every penalties. Guess what? Penalties will stop happening very, very quickly because fighters will very quickly recognize this is a bad thing to do. But if that's a bridge too far for you, because whatever, the fence one is the easiest one to do. Oh, he grabbed the fence. Stop the fight. We are going to start this with the offending fighter in bottom position.

You can just start the fight there. This would be, you could solve this overnight. And we don't for whatever reasons there are. And so Melsa Pagnesarian was allowed to cheat aggressively and forever while the commentary team talked about, well, I don't know if they can take a point because is that the first warning? They did the second one. You know, you get one free, which isn't how the world works, but it's just the reality we live in. So, yeah. Just enforce second rules.

Can I just say, I understand. understand your position and in most scenarios, I think that you and I tend to be aligned on a lot of topics. I would normally be aligned with you. But as a parent, and this reminds me of parenting, there are certain scenarios where you want to be the disciplinarian and you want to say like you're punished on the first offense. But then sometimes you also want to do the thing where you're like, well, did you really mean it? And you start to get softer. to not want to influence outcomes and be too harsh. And I understand that refereeing and parenting are not one to one,

but I am sympathetic to the idea of like, I am sympathetic to the idea of not wanting to screw things up irrevocably by being too harsh. I get it. But that's the thing. The argument that you don't want to influence the outcomes is they are by not enforcing the rules, one fighter who is obeying them is by definition being negatively impacted. Like, just we say it and it's not as a joke. Like when me and Mike say this, it is not tongue and cheek.

It is actually factual. You should cheat. There are percentage points of value being left on the table if you are not cheating because the refs are not going to punish you for it. Melsic Bagdasarian, I cannot say definitively he won that fight because I, I can't see alternate realities. He cheated his ass off, and at several points in time, it gave him a very clear advantage over the dude who didn't cheat.

And so that's influencing it by not doing anything to prevent it. Like, it's in every sport in the world, if you do, if you make a penalty, there is a consequence, except in this one, you just get a stern talking to, and then you can do five more of them. It doesn't make any sense to me. I don't know how true this one is. I didn't notice this one. So this is true

I had a conversation with Mike Heck about this I do think that fence grab is slightly different though I would still say if you wanted to punish Sadakov for it It was not a fence grab to Prevent a takedown It was after he had already stuffed the takedown

He's sort of posting his hand up against the fence While he's positioning And he grabs the fence And so like it is absolutely a foul So would you take a point in that scenario? concerned about that than a thing. That's my argument is I don't think you have to. If you guys are super problem about that, you can just give up the position.

Like, okay, that's fine. Like, I think you should take points for nutshots and eye pokes because there's no real way to make that right unless you're like, okay, now I get to poke you in the eye, sir. Like, you can't make that even. Fence grabs are very easy to be like, oh, you grab the fence to keep yourself upright. We're going to stop the action. We're going to give the takedown to the other dude. Fight can proceed from guard.

and like we can all be happy with that outcome. It seems the easiest answer to me. So I would have been happy to say, hey, you did still do an illegal thing. We're going to stop the fight. We're going to give up the position. We're going to go back to neutral. If I can proceed, that'll be fine.

Fowls are a mythical fighter. One of these days, I'll embark on the long and arduous task of like actually data cataloging the winning percentage of fighters who foul. because I would bet anything you wanted to that that it is a successful fighting strategy. There is no doubt that you're right that the efficiency of fouling is absolutely there. High efficiency moves in cage fighting.

Wasn't the Rumble Johnson Gustafin? Wasn't there like a headbutt or a low blow and then right out of the get, like right when the action picked up Rumble just decapitated him in Sweden? I mean, something might have been. That was something like that. Probably would have decapitated him anyway. But, dude, the number, the number of finishes that happened, like, immediately after a clash of heads.

Yeah. Is startlingly obvious if you're paying attention. Oh, he's okay to start again. Oh, he just got knocked out suddenly. That's weird. How did that happen? Don't know. It's almost as if his brain had already been concussed by a giant head crashing into his face,

Henry Sudo. How does that? You know who does that? You know who's very bad? that I don't think enough people talk about for like halting and kind of ramming their forehead into their opponent is Rose does it all the time

like she does it she'll do this and then she'll like when people get close she stops and like shoves her forehead forward and when she connects she extends her hands so it looks like she's pushing rather than so she's like

fwack and then shoves she pushes and so she knows exactly what she's doing I'm not speaking for her If I can find a video clip of it, I'll send it to you because I've seen it multiple times from her. And no one has ever brought it up. Sounds like somebody's locked in on the efficiency of cheating. Hey, man. Just, uh, dude, I don't, like, I don't blame her for it.

But like, yeah, when you're, if you do any sort of sport for any amount of time, you have like tricks to sort of flirt with the lines. That sounds a lot like Rose knows. Oh, I can, I can get away with this one. Good for her. Nice. Henry Suu just launches his head at people. Like just straight up like goes in and just dives in with his head. And he's never once been called for it.

It's astonishing. So keep doing it. If they don't stop you, it's legal. Like that's just how this game works. Mm-hmm. So like Melsig-Badisarian, I am not upset with you for doing what you can to get both of your

paychecks and provide for your family. Just wish the rest would ever do the drafts it. Because that was also, that was a fun fight. that was a fun scrap dude threw an like an axe kick standing axe kick at Tucker

who is also standing in front of him that was a fun fight he's awesome I'm not sure that those work it's like well he just did it look pretty good and with that a lot of the questions are now just arguing about rules

in the conversation we've also been on an hour yeah I think that's plenty for US Vegas 77 so hit the music Jose we can get out of here. Hey,

it's the right music. Boom, love the music. Next week, we're back in London, baby. I think Mike Heck will be back to take the chair

so you won't have my jackass self. I may still be here to talk to y'all. We'll see how it goes, but it was a night of fights. We got a new contender. Jose Youngs for Eric Jackman,

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