MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 8 Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: August 30, 2020

With UFC Vegas 8 in the books, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Jose Youngs and Alex K. Lee break down the top storylines from Saturday night’s event in Las Vegas—including Aleksandar Rakic’s unanimo...us decision win over Anthony Smith in the main event. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:40 Yeah, episode too. But we are live as we say goodbye to the UFC's August slate of events. And hello to all of you, because UFC Vegas 8 just wrapped up at the apex. And in the main event, we saw Alexander Rackich defeat Anthony Smith via unanimous decision. into that and much more with all of you on the live UFC Vegas 8 post fight show right here for mhmapfiting.com. I am Mike Hack being joined by the rest of the tripod here. We have the clean-shaven Jose Youngs. We have A.K. Lee. And if you're watching live right now, hello once again. We'll get into all of your comments and questions. So make sure you leave them
Starting point is 00:02:21 in the chat. If you're listening after the fact, that's cool too. But let's get into this. we like to start these things with like a making the grade section looking at the card as a whole i thought overall last weekend's event was much more exciting a lot more wild and crazy so a k we're going to start with you this week very solid event for sure but since you are the prince of positivity what are you grading tonight's event from start to finish here well mike i think on paper i think this card had the potential to be you know i use my gymnastics grading system i think this card had the It tends to be like an 8.5. I think this could have been an 8.5 on the degree of difficulty scale.
Starting point is 00:03:01 It did not reach it. It looked like it was on this way. It started off really, really well. And I still think it was a, I was the ghost where I say it was a great card. But the last two fights, probably a little bit of a downer. So I'll give it a little bit under an 8. I'll say there's like a 7.8, 7.9 out of a possible 8.5. So you people can do the math there and translate that to a letter grade if that's easier for you.
Starting point is 00:03:23 All right. Jose, what was your overall opinions grade-wise of tonight's events? I don't know if I would give it a letter or a number grade or whatever. It just started off really good. It started off hot. We got a lot of subs. We got a lot of submissions. We got a lot of stoppages.
Starting point is 00:03:39 And then it just kind of, it was like a snowball effect. Like it started off fast and then just got slower and slower and slower and slower. And then finally by the time the main event was over, I was like, I feel like I've been here watching fights. for about 12 hours, but it's only 830 where I was. So not the worst card from the Apex by any means, but not the best. I would put it farther down the list from top to bottom, farther down the list of closer to the ungood. But it started off amazing, a lot of great performances.
Starting point is 00:04:14 I'm curious what the performance of the night bonuses are. I'm sure we're all looking out for that. There was a lot of great submissions, like I said. But yeah, it was started off hot and ended with a whimper. Yeah, apparently, Jose, I mean, you sound great to me as we're talking, but I guess your audio might be a little loud for those listening via the magic of YouTube right now. But I'll give this a solid B. Like, I'm fine with that. Like, we did see some great performances.
Starting point is 00:04:39 We had a great, great fight to kick off the prelims, a great great fight to kick off the main car. We had some big finishes early on, a lot of submissions. But I think it would be as a fair grade here. But let's get to the main event. and I want to talk about the leg kicks early from Alexander Rackich, because those things were just absolutely ferocious. Like they set the tone for that entire fight. Like I'll give Anthony Smith so much credit for putting on this poker face
Starting point is 00:05:06 and walking back to the stool after the first round, like completely across the octagon. But the complexion of the fight totally changed from those leg kicks. Rackich gets the win in a made event spot against a former title challenger. But Jose, I want to get your take on this because we talked in depth about how, this 205 pound division has opened up a bit with John Jones vacating. And this is a big opportunity for one of these guys to make a big statement, make a big move in this division.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Rackich wins, won all three rounds. It was pretty easy to judge here. But was this the kind of performance where the UFC, the fans, the matchmakers, et cetera, they're going to be hankering to see Rackich in a title eliminator or fight for the belt anytime soon? No, I don't think so. It's not a title shot I know he's going to want interview and I adjusted my audio
Starting point is 00:05:58 I'm trying to do my best I'm trying to do a thousand things here while Casey's on PTO We have a new producer here Who also happens to be doing this for the first time So bear with me folks But yeah Ratchick he looked good
Starting point is 00:06:10 It was 3027 But it's not like he didn't go out there And stop Anthony's faith They didn't go out there And have a spectacular performance He didn't have a jury Prohaska knockout Because that's what I want to see him fight next Because I think the winner
Starting point is 00:06:21 Glover to share in Tiago Santos depending on how they win would have much more of a case, considering Tiago Santos went five rounds with John Jones. A lot of people thought he won. Glover Chairs on that tear. It's going to be a five-round main event, actually not a three-round main event. So I'd like see Ratchik Fight Prohaska.
Starting point is 00:06:37 He does have the loss to Vulcan, the loss. I use in quotes, as everyone but P.C. He said, and of course, Jerry Pohasca sent Vulcan O's Demit to the Shadow Realm over on Fight Island. So I think that's the fight to make. I see a lot of the people in our comments section are saying the same thing, but if you beat's Jerry, I'm not going to argue, but I don't think it's enough to get a tell shot right away.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Yeah, I think Gary has to be the fight at this point. Of course, AK and I will be talking a little bit more about that on onto the next one Monday morning. But, A.K. What about Anthony Smith? I mean, those leg kicks absolutely sucked, just watching them and hearing them sucked. But he didn't look like himself tonight. Like, let's be honest, as bad as those leg kicks were, like you could kind of see it in the physique. Like, the physique wasn't there like it normally was.
Starting point is 00:07:20 not that this is like a big bodybuilding contest, but he looks better without a shirt on that, than I do, but usually he has like a little more tone to him, a little more, you know, muscle to him. He had his moments in the fight, but they were very few and far between.
Starting point is 00:07:33 What did you make of Anthony Smith's performance tonight? Look, I'm actually, I'm going to give a lot of credit to, to Rackage's leg kicks and Rackage is just his overall, the strength of his performance, because he looked like, I mean,
Starting point is 00:07:45 if we're talking about physiques and stuff, I mean, rackers looked like an absolute monster in there. So, yes, I mean, do we not see the best version of Anthony Smith? Okay, maybe not, maybe not. But I don't like to play, you know, armchair psychologist or armchair physician too much and sort of say, oh, you know, was it too quick a turnaround from the, from the
Starting point is 00:08:04 Grover to Sharify? Because it's only about three months, I think, something like that. I mean, three months, five months. I don't know how months work, three months. But it does, it does, it does, I know a lot of people are questioning, why did he come, and I think we mentioned the preview show, why did he come back so quickly? For a guy who's kind of always talking about, you know, maybe taking a break or taking a rest, he never seems to take off that much time.
Starting point is 00:08:26 And especially after that to share a fight, which a lot of people thought went on too long, it was very one-sided in the later rounds, that he really should have considered taking a break instead of getting right in there with a super, super deadly rising contender in Alexander Rockich. So I understand the concerns. I don't think he looked great, but I also thought a lot of that was because of what Rockich was able to do. Those leg kicks early, really slowed him down. And Smith's takedown offense later were just out-muscled. I mean, Rockins was just throwing him onto his back.
Starting point is 00:08:56 In a straight Jiu-Jitsu contest, I don't know. Maybe Anthony Smith would win. But the way this fight unfolded, Rockich's top game was strong. His wrestling was strong. His takedown defense was strong. Strangely, he apparently had zero actual takedowns in the fight. I think most of it was countering Smith's takedown attempts, but he had some like 12 minutes of ground control in the 15-minute fight.
Starting point is 00:09:16 So I think it was a good performance by Rockich. I don't want to, you know, I don't want to poo-poo Smith's performance too much. Though I understand that people are disappointed and we're hoping to see him bounce back after after what happened with DeShara. The third round is getting kind of interesting because Anthony Smith took his back for a moment and Rackich pulled the old Bobby Heenan trick. If he ain't cheating, he ain't trying, holding on to the fence. And that led to Rackich getting to the mad and getting on top.
Starting point is 00:09:42 And that sort of led to how this fight ended. But, you know, he didn't get caught. so it is what it is but first two-fight losing streak for anthony smith in seven years now so we'll see what happens with both of these guys i think rackets is pretty obvious where he's going to go anthony smith's another story let's talk about the co-made event neil magni earns a unanimous decision win over robbie luller in the co-main event and it was one of those fights where i i think we all had an idea it would go the way that it did but i think our younger selves from like eight nine 10 years ago we had this nostalgic feeling that we would go back and somehow that Robbie Lala would show up.
Starting point is 00:10:19 But even final round Robbie Loller, who I hyped up the entire fight, couldn't stop the slickness of the Haitian sensation tonight. A crafty craftsman, if you will, at 170 pounds. Jose, I'll start with you. When Robbie Loller shot early in the first round, what was going through your mind? Yeah, see, I don't have words for it. I cannot hear him. Oh, Jose, I can't hear you. He can't hear you.
Starting point is 00:10:45 now we've lost radio okay what do you think what were you thinking I'll fill a no while we oh I know Jose you're back you're back sorry about that go ahead go ahead everyone knows my my
Starting point is 00:10:58 misgivings with you're doing fine Anywho maller I don't have I had no words for I wasn't expecting that at all I was like all let's see Ryves are going to start out slow
Starting point is 00:11:09 he's going to get pieced up probably in the first round he's probably going to laugh a whole lot and then he's going to start picking it up and then Mike keeps hyping up this third round Robbie Lawler, which is apparently the greatest fighter on planet Earth. Up there, he can walk on water and he can throw crazy spinning stuff and beat Carlos Condon and win fights with half a lip, but then he didn't really show up.
Starting point is 00:11:29 We saw glimpses of him in the third round, but it's the whole fight, and I don't care who wins, because I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible. I picked Neil Madigan to win, like you said. I was just hoping for a really good fight, and every single time, Robbie Lawler clinched up. And now I'm getting more things saying my audio is low now. So it's just a great time. But every time Robbie Lawler clinched up, I was just like, what are you doing, man? It's like every time a fighter clinches up with Neil Magny.
Starting point is 00:11:59 I'm like, it's like going to the ground with like Damien Maya. It's like trying. It's like what it's, you know he's good there. What are you doing? I tweeted like, it's like Neil Magny fighting is like watching a jungle gym trying to fight. He's just super long. He's super lanky. He's causing a lot of issues.
Starting point is 00:12:15 you're getting all tangled up. It seems like Robbie Lawley would throw a lot of punches and he would miss by like an inch. Or he threw a head kick and it would miss by like three inches. And Neil Magnly just stayed jab, jab, straight, and then shot him for a takedown to the snap takedown. And then he would like work for a darsalade. He was just controlling Robbie Lawler and just bullying him.
Starting point is 00:12:33 It just looked like a taller, lankier guy trying to fight a boxer. And Robbie Lollah would try to get in close and clinch up. And Neil Magny would clinch up and then knee him into oblivion. And I'm just like, Robbie, you know what's coming. We've seen this for five years. with Neil Magny. Stop fighting like that, but he wouldn't. He kept fighting like Robbie Lawler did, and he ended up losing.
Starting point is 00:12:51 But dominant fashion, I don't know where he goes from here. I'd like to see maybe get some super fights, but we'll see. I don't know. It's hard to picture. I'm not going to try to tell Robbie Lawler what to do, but I hope Neil Magny gets a big fight after this. What made you react more emotionally, AK, that early takedown attempt from Robbie Lawler or the tweet from Jeff Neal after the fight saying, nice job Neil, see you soon.
Starting point is 00:13:16 You know, hashtag Neil on Neil. Oh, I can't even answer to this because I actually didn't see that to you until you just mentioned it. So now I'm reacting in real time. So, yeah. He didn't actually say hashtag Neil on Neil. I just kind of threw that in. Well, I mean, he should, though. He should really start using that.
Starting point is 00:13:32 We all should. We got to get that trending. So obviously now my answer is Neil's tweet because I'm welling up with joy that we will still get to see Neil on Neil. one of the premier events of 2020, fingers crossed. I didn't react to that probably that violently when Lawler went for the takedown,
Starting point is 00:13:52 though of course I immediately, I think like everyone else was sort of making jokes about Lawler's kind of wrestling and whoa, whoa, why is this fight going in this direction? It was, it didn't, just didn't seem to make sense
Starting point is 00:14:04 of the time because I think as Jose's already went over, we all know his best strategy was to keep it standing and make this into a classic Robbie Lawler war. Because, you know, Magni is a quality striker as well. He's tough got to deal with in a really technical stand-up battle. So I really thought Lawler would want to put the pressure on him. Don't let Magny get comfortable.
Starting point is 00:14:24 And going for that takedown was the exact opposite. That was I decided to play my opponent's game, which I really can't possibly win. And I'm going to stick with it. And then, you know, by the time he changed his tact and maybe in rounds two and three, It was too late. I mean,
Starting point is 00:14:41 Magnet had already kind of decided, this is how the fight's going to go. I'm going to grapple. I'm going to clinch. He did some beautiful work with the tie clinch. You got some great knees in there. And then on the ground is completely dominated. So it was a little disturbing to see Robbie go for the takedown.
Starting point is 00:14:54 But if you ever want evidence that, man, everything is different. You know, when you step into that cage, we all, I'm sure even, I'm sure that wasn't Robbie Lawler's game plan. Once you get in there, you get hit or you see something in the way your opponent's moving, or you just feel them a certain way, when to start grappling. It can change everything. So, again, it's easy for us to stay on the outside what we think should have happened.
Starting point is 00:15:15 But Robbie's the guy in there. He's the one making the decisions. And obviously just didn't work out for him tonight. True or false, AK, Neil Magny is a top three underrated fighter in UFC history. That's a long list. And it depends. And honestly, you know, anytime we talk underrated, overrated, it comes down to like, well, who's making that call? Because obviously, I would have Ryan Hall in there.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Underrated? Is he underrated? He's not by me. If anything, people who only listen to me would think he's overrated. I would say he's crazy. He's got to be underrated. I mean, he's what, two wins away from, what, passing or tying GSP? And it's like 17 wins in the World to 8 Division.
Starting point is 00:15:57 I said this on the preview show. He's in the same class as Charles Olivera. He just all of a sudden became a Hall of Famer overnight. You look at his resume. He has amazing wins over former Chish. champs and he has a lot of wins over in a row and he always just kind of falters against like those upper class competition he loses like violently or he gets tapped so that's a different question is he a hall of fainer that's that's a good question as well i for sure think he is i almost feel
Starting point is 00:16:26 like if you were talking about individual and not like getting put in for uh you know a fight in the fight uh wing of the of the uc hall of fame i almost feel like you have to have at least a world title uh fight under your belts i i i i I can't think of everyone that's been in there, but I'm pretty sure everyone that's in the U.S.C. Hall of Fame is either won a world title or competed in a UFC title belt. So, I mean, he should. He has a resume for it.
Starting point is 00:16:50 I don't think anyone would complain if he won his next fight or whatever, and somehow ended up getting a title shot. He certainly earned it at this point. But even guys, again, we say Surefar Hall of Fame was like Donald Seroni. He's fought for the title. So Magnet needs to get there first. But he is unappreciated. I'm always hesitant to use the word underrated.
Starting point is 00:17:07 We had some other people on this card who I would consider. consider underrated. I guess we can get to that later, but there was definitely some some better names in here who would also be on that list. I would agree with that. I'm still waiting on the bonuses. We saw one. We have one. We have a bonus. We have the fight of the night. What is the fight of the night? Oh, we know what is. No big surprise. Ricardo Lama is one of the underappreciated guys I'm talking about and Bill Algeo. Okay. So that that was a that was a no-brainer. Any guesses on performance of the night? I would go Mallory Martin and Sean Brady
Starting point is 00:17:40 Poliana Viana and Sean Brady Yeah it's definitely got to be Brady That was a scary Gillotine choke That was really scary You put a guy to sleep like that You have to get a bonus But you know Christian Aguilera was not going to tap
Starting point is 00:17:59 That guy is 100% not He was he had his arms run on any position to defendants I don't know how what he was thinking of Like how he was going to get out I don't even think he thought he had a plan to get out. He's just like, I'm just going to fight it out. I don't care. If I go to sleep, I go to sleep.
Starting point is 00:18:11 And, man, he went out a scary way. Hopefully he's all right. The Mallory Martin won is good just because of how that first round, I have the comeback results right here. It was like the big comeback win. Polya and Viano, like what's like, she's on the top five or top 10, like quickest submission wins in like strawweight history now. So I think that has to do with something.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Plus, it was a snapping of three. Like if she lost, she probably wouldn't have a job anymore. It was also a, I think, it was a more violent submission because you heard Emily Whitwire like audibly scream when she got that arm bar. I think that's a more memorable. So I think it's, but either one, Mallory or Pollyon, I think I don't have an issue with, but I'd say Brady, Polion, or all three because Dana White is, who knows what he's going through his head. If he's even there. I don't think he's even there. It's official. It is Sean Brady and Mallory Martin. Okay. I don't got an issue with that.
Starting point is 00:19:01 I don't either. I even would have like, if you gave it to Casaris and I know he was probably I got a huge favorite. The guy had three opponents, like three different opponents this week. And to go in there and get a finish, I mean, he hasn't had a finish in a while. Right. So that was nice to see him get that. So good on him. They gave it to him.
Starting point is 00:19:16 I would have been fine with that as well. That's the other unappreciated guy I was referring to before. Now, unlike Lomas and Magna, he doesn't have, his record doesn't quite reflect that. He's, I think I just like 12 and 10 in the UFC with won no contest. But a lot of those losses are very competitive. And he's just been around for, he's been around since I think Ultimate Fighter 11. I think that was the season he was on. So he's been around forever and fought in the UFC for the 23rd time today.
Starting point is 00:19:40 So not a guy who I would call a Hall of Famer. I mean, you never know what can happen over the next five or six years. He's going to fight a lot more. But if he retired today, I would definitely call him an unappreciated guy. Not a Hall of Famer, but... Bruce Leroy? He's... He's position in the UFC is to face these up-and-coming.
Starting point is 00:19:58 Not prospects, but, like, that is their litmus test. They're past the prospect stage. Like the Cron Graysies or the... Gia Chikazes or the Chase Hoopers and all that called Chase Hoopers, like the definition of a prospect. But he's fun, a lot of guys that they've kind of tried to catapult. Like even I Air Rodriguez back in the day when they headlined in Utah I was at. So Alex Ceres is essentially a gatekeeper and a phenomenal gatekeeper, too.
Starting point is 00:20:23 He's never in bad fights. I'll put Casares' personality in the Hall of Fame. I mean, he just puts a smile on your face. When he walks to the Octagon, like you just have to smile. The OG weave of the UFC, too. him and Roxanne. I know Izzy gets all the love, but if anyone follows Bruce Leroy on Instagram, he's always like gardening and like full-on Akatsky attire from Naruto.
Starting point is 00:20:46 Yeah, he shaved his head. Got the hair. I was surprised to see that. Three straight, two straight now. Two straight wins. His biggest win streak since I would call it, he technically had a, I mentioned on Twitter, he had a five-fight win streak from July 2012 to January 2014. That was unfortunately broken up by a a positive marijuana test his win Kyeonghokang was overturned but whatever
Starting point is 00:21:06 who cares about that he did win five straight That was at Banim weight That was I believe at Bantuweight And by the if you're like me I consider no contest What literally I take them as no contest
Starting point is 00:21:16 Like they didn't happen So I think he at least won four straight If you don't want to count that no contest Just five fight unbeaten streak is how I would say Five fight streak as well Yeah that's that's and that's a fact So but yeah three fight win streak Is if you don't count that no contest
Starting point is 00:21:30 If you take out that no contest And only take that as two separate two fights This is technically his longest win streak in the UFC, so he's peaking. But like you said, will they ever put him up there against, like, ranked guys? I don't know. Don't know if that. You're right. I don't know if that's what they use him for.
Starting point is 00:21:42 Nice win for Alexa Grasso in her 125-pound debut. She looked great tonight. So congratulations to her. Zach Cummings. Nice win for him. Almost got a finish at the buzzer at the very end of the fight. He definitely got a finish. I don't care what the referee said.
Starting point is 00:21:58 That was definitely Reyes Ozener Mareis all over again. And Impa Kasag and I, nice win for him. Great fight. And his debut turned around real quick against Maki Vitole. That was a fun fight. So good on him for getting the victory. And then, of course, all the submission wins prior to that. So why don't we see what the peeps have to say?
Starting point is 00:22:18 All right, guys, bear with me. Let's hope this works out. Mike's head's a little cut off, but it is what it is. Is that with this little square? So if you want to chit-chat, I'll try and toss up the questions. I'm going to do YouTube comments now So talk amongst yourselves
Starting point is 00:22:38 As I look Put your questions in this box People so I can caress Your brilliant questions Here's one if it fits There it is There we go It seems like rackage
Starting point is 00:22:50 Whoa It's been a little more aggressive Question got real big all of a sudden Yeah I mean That's one we look at Keep in mind Like we said Anthony Smith's ground game Is really strong
Starting point is 00:23:01 and he did there were some occasions where he was kind of trying to take rocket his back so if you're a rocket you you have to do a risk you know a risk assessment thing there and in his mind is he's in his mind he's winning the fight just by being in top position he's landing just enough not to be reset is he at the moment thinking i need to get a finish here to impress and to really establish myself as like the next you know one fight away or even the next contender uh i don't think he's thinking about that he's just got to win that fight. He knows Smith is very dangerous. He, I think he knows the three-round fight, so he's in his mind that the seconds are taking away in his mind, how much longer do this. He could have been more aggressive if he cared about getting the finish, if he just cared about getting the win, it obviously didn't matter to him in this situation.
Starting point is 00:23:46 Yeah, I wrote down, like, because I have a notepad that I, like, write as fights are going on just so we can talk about it on, like, the post-show. And I literally wrote, why is he not throwing more? Like, when he had Anthony Smith kind of turtled up against the fence, He just wasn't throwing. He was throwing now and he was controlling him. But, like, Ratchik was clearly stronger.
Starting point is 00:24:06 It was clearly faster. He was younger. He was just better all around. Like, maybe not skill-wise, because Anthony Smith might have the veteranship. But he just looked like someone overpowering someone. It looked like a light heavyweight fighting and middleweight. And when he clipped him with that head kick in the third round and he threw like three more, and then Anthony Smith tried to take him down and then he reversed it.
Starting point is 00:24:26 I'm like Ratchik could just unload right now. And he just didn't. So I was wondering, I was, I literally wrote, why is he not throwing? So, but that seemed to be the trend of the fight. Start off strong and just, you know, I don't, maybe it's a, maybe it's a veteran thing, like going forward, he'll open up more, or maybe he just didn't want to get caught against, uh, um, a veteran like Anthony Smith. But let's go back to the comments.
Starting point is 00:24:54 So let's talk Anthony Smith. Bless us. Can't hear you, Mike. Excuse me. No, Mike's gone. Oh, there he is. Yeah, I'm here. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:25:08 Should Anthony Smith take a long layup? I feel like he's been fighting so much in the past three to four months. He needs a year off. Jose, what do you think of that sentiment? I think he should take time off, not for his health, because it's not like he got just destroyed in this fight. I think he should take time off in the sense. Let's see how the division plays out,
Starting point is 00:25:32 and then he can match him up with someone. I don't want to throw him to the wolves like Jerry. or Phraska or like the loser of Reyes and Blahovic or like get or scratch that call up Luke Rockhold when you want to fight Anthony Smith Luke Rockhold they have to fight Anthony Smith can take all the time off he wants as soon as Luke Rockhold wants to fight throw him in there I think that's the fight to make circle gets the square Jose there you go that's the answer yeah yeah no I don't know the only thing getting with that is uh you know going along this question is if Rockhold wants to fight before the end of the year,
Starting point is 00:26:08 maybe he fights someone else first. Because I actually am somewhat in agreement with Zeke Burner here that Ansi-Smith really should take some time off. Again, we don't know how he's feeling. We don't know. Maybe he comes out of this fight. You know, after he's just like, you know, I wasn't even really hurt. I'm just disappointed in my performance.
Starting point is 00:26:22 I just want to get back in there as soon as possible. Entirely possible. That's what he says. And it would make sense. Again, I don't know how hurt his legs were. I don't know how much, like we said before, there wasn't a lot of ground and pounds. So thankfully, so. for him. So he probably didn't take too much damage, no more so than you would take in your average fight.
Starting point is 00:26:40 But yeah, that's the only thing that's getting in the way of a possible rock-hold fight. If their timelines match up, I mean, you just got to do it. There's a lot of heat there. It makes sense for both guys. And yeah, yeah, I'd like to see it. But otherwise, I'm all in favor of him taking a long layoff and just getting his mind, getting his body right. Yeah, I mean, November, December, at the earliest, at the absolute. Like, I don't want to see him come back in October. I don't want to see that happen. All right. Let's talk pre-limbs, because you guys touched upon him a little bit. Which were excellence, by the way.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Fantastic. Oh. This is a great question. From Ricardo in the comment section. Give him a shout out. Sean Brady looked impressive. Who is a good, real test for him next? It's funny.
Starting point is 00:27:25 I've been thinking about this since the fight happened, and I still don't have an answer yet. Because there's so many options for the guy. And Walter Wade is so good and so loaded that like anything really makes sense here. I mean, he's already got a couple. He's got the veteran win over Cort McGee. So that's a, I mean, that was a good one. He got his first finish in the UFC against a young buck. But he needs like a big jump up, like even above like a court McGee or something like that.
Starting point is 00:27:49 So Jose, what do you think? What makes sense for Sean Brady? Jake and I are going to discuss this a lot. But, you know, we'll give our sort of initial thoughts here, you know, right after the event. But what do you think? At welterweight? Yeah. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:28:05 That's tough, man, because he's clearly a prospect, and he's clearly very, very good because Christian Aguilar is one of those fighters where he's only his second fight in the UFC, but I don't consider him a prospect. He is a game veteran of the sport. He's fought in an LFA in the regional scene for so long. So I went over Christian Aguilar, Aguilera, on the prelims. It's not like you're beating a bummer or a late-minister. late notice opponent so man I don't know who's uh la lazez is that his name the guy that fought on
Starting point is 00:28:39 fight island his teammates with till here i like i like i like i think that's just a fun fight but he beat al hasan right yeah it's or al hasan either one of those cats those are like but again like i don't necessarily like prospect versus prospect fight so early uh into their careers i know we saw the micky gall stage north cut fight but that just seems like an anomaly at the time so i don't know I'm sure you guys will talk about it, but Welterweight is, I mean, probably the most stacked division right now in the UFC. I think, like, the one that I kept landing on was Elizu Zaleski. Oh, I like that fight. Yeah, I like that fight a lot, actually.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Yeah, 10 out of 10. I approve. One suggestion I did not like, which was put out there by noted online, emma delinquent, Sean Sheehan. I don't know how serious he was being he said Brady versus Shemayev and I'm like I've seen that
Starting point is 00:29:35 a lot of people in the comments are saying that I just say not yet no obviously I am there we go I see it right now and look I'm mentioning it
Starting point is 00:29:43 because we need to we need to talk about Shamiyev it is mandatory we have to we have to bring it out either during either post fight shows or onto the next one or on the eight side or all three
Starting point is 00:29:51 it's just you know the more we mentioned him the more the more we profit apparently but no I don't don't like that matchup at all. I think it's again, I'm not against matching up prospects.
Starting point is 00:30:02 I'm definitely not one of those people, but these are two guys that I feel like are future world title contenders, and I would like to keep them apart. Somewhere down the road, they may meet, and that will be frigging awesome. But next, and I really see the point in that. I like this a leski matchup.
Starting point is 00:30:16 I've got my mysterious, by the way, rankings in front of me right now. Brady was outside of the top 50 before tonight. He will definitely be in the top 50 of the Welterweight Division after tonight's performance. but another another name that i heard uh that i saw a few times on twitter tonight which i liked was gunner nelson um i like shemaiah versus gunner nelson a lot better sure i like that i just want to see grappling like grappling heavy uh fight or what like alan joban is still out there doesn't he
Starting point is 00:30:44 need a fight too why was the last time he fought i think he's dealing with an injury if i'm not mistaken yeah i think you're right yeah i don't know if he's fought since the did him and dwight Grant was that the last fight for both though? No, Dwight Grant just fought last week, did he? Before that. Yeah, before that. Yeah, I believe so. But I don't know, but I can't remember if Zuban fought. I think Zuban did fight after Grant, though. Yeah, but that's a name. That's a name that's certainly up there. But I actually think Daniel Rodriguez maybe, though, again, he is also kind of a prospect,
Starting point is 00:31:14 but that's not when I would mind matching up with Sean Brady, to be honest. And I know he wants to get in there as soon as possible. Mike, what do you got? AK., we already figured out Daniel Rodriguez this past week. I'm going on to the next one. It's D. Rod versus D. James Krause. That's the fight. Oh, yeah. That's good. All right.
Starting point is 00:31:30 We're going to hop up to the co-main event because we talked a lot about Neil Magni. Let's talk about the one who came up short. Robbie seems gun-shy like Woodley. All right, so we touched on this on the preview show. Jose talked about the Carlos Condid fight, how both guys were never the same. adding to that the knockout from Tyrod Woodley to Robbie Lawler
Starting point is 00:31:54 when he lost the title he just hasn't been the same guy when you have like when you go back to back you have a war like an absolute banger like you had with Carl's Conn at one of those life-changing fights
Starting point is 00:32:04 and he's had a few of those like he had the Roy McDonald fight too and then the Woodley knockout like that guy has been through a lot and that's just like at this stage in his career because he's been through a lot even before that strike force the whole nine but he's definitely, and I can understand why he's gun-shy at this point.
Starting point is 00:32:21 I get it. We saw glimpses of final round Robbie tonight, like brief cameos, but Neil was able to sort of thwart those and we didn't see a whole lot of it. But yeah, I would say he was definitely gun-shy. I mean, his team was telling him the whole time, dude, you got to fight. Do you think it's gun-shy or the fact that Neil Magny just would not let him, like, implement his attack? Because Neil Magny kept, like, Neil Magny was just tangling him up
Starting point is 00:32:44 and keeping him out of distance. Like, I agree with you that Robbie Lodby, clearly has never been the same but like you look at the Colby Covington fight like it looked like he was gun-shy because he knew he would get taken down through like headkakes and stuff but then you saw what happened with the the the Asken fight fight where he was just unloading on him so I think it's a little combination of Neil Magny has never looked better and Robbie Lawler just hasn't looked the same in recent years yeah I mean it's the old cliche styles make fights and I think we all
Starting point is 00:33:11 knew when this fight was booked you were like holy crap Roder was back woohoo but then we knew that this this could happen like a fight like tonight could happen and that's pretty much what it did. That, uh, that Woodley Cail was the first time he'd been knocked out in 12 years. Think about that. That, that changes you. And it was a clean, clean chaos, you know? So that, that really changes you.
Starting point is 00:33:30 And I, I absolutely see that as a turning point in his career. Because the Soroni fight wasn't like, it wasn't a good fight. Yeah, it wasn't a classic either, right? There was a little bit of, if you want to use the word gunshot, a little bit of that there. And then he was outworked by Covington and Dosagios. It's really only the Austrian fight, which again, you mentioned that, that we really saw that old berser rabbi that's that that that that to be feared by all uh robbie lawler uh we didn't see it tonight it's it was it was it was really a struggle for him you know and look the fact is he turns
Starting point is 00:33:59 um he sorry no he turned 38 this year he turned 38 in march and he has in fight years he's even older than that in fight years he's like in his 50s or 60s i mean he's just been around forever and been to really really brutal fights so this game uh is is not an easy one and and when it passes you by, man, it leaves you really far behind. It doesn't pass you by a little bit and give you a chance to catch up. It passes you by and you're pretty much done. So I don't know Robbie Lawler's reached that point, but I don't blame people for seeing him and some of his recent performances and saying maybe Robbie Lawler has reached that point.
Starting point is 00:34:31 So, yeah, it's guys, it's just sort of the natural progression of things. You know, I know we can all look at it as why didn't he punch more? Why don't he do this more? Why didn't he do this, you know, different strategically? And it's like, man, he's just been around for a long time. And at some point, you reached the end of that rope. I think his next fight is versus Diego Sanchez. Does he Diego Sanchez have a fight?
Starting point is 00:34:50 Jake Matthews. Well, he's fight Jake Matthews on September 26, but I can do it after that. Sure. That's what I meant. Like, win or lose, you could make that fight, and people would, you know, people would get excited for that. I wish he was still in the top 15 because I've always wanted to see Stephen Thompson fight Robbie Lawler. Yeah. I wouldn't, like, I want to see Robbie Lawler fight like Michael Keesa and Masreedol and, like, I want to see those fights, but he's just, it doesn't make sense for those fighters' career.
Starting point is 00:35:15 years because Robbie Lawler is super dangerous and he's unranked. I mean, he could like, would, would you argue if Robbie Lawler headlines at the fight night? I wouldn't if it's the right matchup. He's still that popular. I just don't know what. What is he? What is he? 13, 14?
Starting point is 00:35:30 You might even fall out of the top 15 now or fall 215? Like what? What are they going to do? Anthony Peders versus Robbie Lawler or something like that? Like, I don't care. I'm fine. I'm fine with whatever. But I know we're running a lot of time.
Starting point is 00:35:42 I know we try to keep this short. So we're going to have a little fun with this question. Fun. I thought this. This is a between the links question. Vadim Nemcoff, Brian, I assume Ryan Bader. There's a lot. There's a lot.
Starting point is 00:35:59 There's a lot of time. Scott Coker versus Tiago Santos, Dominic Gray's, and Dana White in a Royal Rumble match. Yeah, first of all, that's not how Royal Rumble matches work. Jose, you know, I both know. This is a triple, this is a three-on-three, man. Hurricane tag. It's a Survivor Series?
Starting point is 00:36:17 Maybe that's maybe an elimination style? Yeah, 100%. I think If it's a real fight, I think this... I think it's Team UFC by a... I don't. I don't. I think stylists, like, are they cutting weight?
Starting point is 00:36:35 Or are they just showing up? Let's say it has to be... The light heavy weights have to be light heavy weights. Scott and Dana can just show up. So they're weighing in the day before? I think fights like this really favor wrestlers, like Ryan Bader that are just physically strong and can grind out wins. I think Benhamcoff is a bad cat.
Starting point is 00:36:53 I think Dana White clearly beat Scott Coker in a fight, but... Doesn't Scott have a legit martial arts background? Am I crazy? He does. He does. Scott Coker has a legitimate martial arts background. I think Dana White is on that Matt Sarah TRT train right now. So who knows what's going on with there.
Starting point is 00:37:09 But Tiago Santos and Reyes, I just think that stylistically a wrestler would... with a gas tank like Bader, who fights at heavyweight often, would benefit in a fight like that. But that is an absurd question. I just thought we'd have some fun. Well, by the way, if we're doing elimination style, it really matters who gets the first elimination. Because I don't know if you guys saw Fight Circus.
Starting point is 00:37:32 But there was an incredible, and anyone who didn't see it, you can find it free on Fight Circus.com, or just find it on YouTube, because if you have to go to Fight Circus.com, you might have to have a really good ad blocker. So you can find it on YouTube for free from Full Metal Dojo. you can watch Fight Circus last week, which featured two non-fighters
Starting point is 00:37:49 facing a somewhat experienced pro. And they beat his ass. Pardon my language, but they beat his ass. So two versus one is a big difference. And you guys check that. Also, you can find the highlights on Miss Fist, of course, on our own website. So I just wanted to plug Fight Circus for anyone who hasn't seen it. It is free people.
Starting point is 00:38:08 Go watch it. It will change your life. Not necessarily for the better. we gotta do mixed tag rules like only day like if scotkooger gets tagged in then yeah exactly exactly exactly
Starting point is 00:38:21 you can't have benemnop fighting dana way no no no no no you got to tag out of what that's the accident i'm just going through the comments a few more times we got some time we got some time we just can't go for like a hundred minutes yeah a lot of people want to see lizez versus brady's uh jessica from the crystal crew wants robbie luller versus brady
Starting point is 00:38:41 No, Jessica, why? I mean, see, we have to take, we have to take like the nostalgic fanhood like our youthfulness out of this. Correct. Because if we're talking about like development,
Starting point is 00:38:59 if we're talking about what like Brady deserves next, he wants a name and Lala would make sense. Like it would make sense. I don't, I don't dislike that idea. I kind of don't want to see it. I don't want us to be taking veterans and just, I know this is how the fight game works, but that is so blatantly just taking a guy with a name to build up Brady. And Brady doesn't need that.
Starting point is 00:39:19 Brady's going to build up a name on his own. Don't worry about that. It might be work a little faster if he beat someone like Robbie Lawler, but I don't know. I don't know. I don't like that for him. It didn't work for Peter Yan. I mean, that favor win pushed them up the, you know, ranks and pushed them up in terms of name recognition real fast. So I'm not saying it can't happen.
Starting point is 00:39:37 All right. I think, honestly, like, the Munier idea is not a bad one. I just, I think Brady's like, I think Brady is like way ahead of him, right? So do I. I just, yeah, I think he's way ahead of him. Well, let him do his thing. Let him cook against, you know, media. Yes.
Starting point is 00:39:51 Right, let him cook. Let him cook. I don't know. Yeah, both of them. Yeah, let them fight guys. A lot of guys we see, we think, again, like Shemaya, as you mentioned before, there's another time I've mentioned for you people. We feel like you could throw them against someone in the top 10 and they do well,
Starting point is 00:40:05 but we don't need to find that out right now. Let them cook against guys that are closer to their level of experience, closer to their level of name recognition. It's fine. There's plenty of time ahead of them in their fight careers. Why Russian? Here's the fight for Munir, okay? We do Munir versus Lyman Good.
Starting point is 00:40:20 That's the fight. Jose, would you like to read this? Martin, Rescendez says, we want Alexa Grasso in all caps. Yeah, yep, that was it. Yeah, well, look, Alexa Grasso looked great. By the way, I had to bring this up. Did anyone see Boehcchia Depot?
Starting point is 00:40:37 Gosh, guys, and I'm not talking to the guy especially in our chat because I know I know everyone watching right now and everyone our chat are their perfect gentlemen. They're all scholars or they're or classy ladies. I know we have a higher level of fan but apparently guys, believe or not, there are fans out there who are kind of creepy when it comes to some of the female fighters and female celebrities in general and there's this whole thing about wanting to see female celebrities feet. Again, I'm sure for most of us is the first time we're hearing of this. So I'm sorry to have to, yeah, I'm sorry to have to break this news to people. It's very disgusting. But God bless Alexa Gras.
Starting point is 00:41:09 So she's such a sweet lady. She obliged this creepy fan who wanted to see her feet, and she showed it. And now everyone's going to rush to Twitter now and go to look. But, yeah, I mean, look, she has always had that kind of fan-friendly personality, which is good. She's had a lot of hype behind her coming to the UFC. Tonight was a really, really strong performance against, I think a dangerous opponent in Giann Kim. Kim is tough, dude. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:37 Grasso had a lot of respect for her. Grasso had a lot. There was no point in the fight where Grasso was like, I'm going to like style on her. No, no, no. She was always aware that she was in there with a pit bull, as it were. So, but Grasso, I think her home is at 125. I find it very hard not to look back on some of her performances 115 and some of her flatter performances and not think that the weight cut has something to do with it, maturity. But I think she's like 27 now or something. She's entering the prime of her athletic career and she, and she's, I think, now in the right weight class. So there might be some opponents that are a little bit bigger than her, but. I think for her health and for her future, this is the place to be. She looked really, really solid. I agree. I love Alexa Grasso, but no one is beating Shevchenko.
Starting point is 00:42:16 Yeah, we're not talking about that. Her combinations are beautiful. Like her boxing counters. Yim was clearly, I think she would hit harder, but Grasso would just, like, respond with like a five piece. And she was connecting with a lot of those counters,
Starting point is 00:42:32 especially when she was backpedaling. So that fight against Carolina, If you want like some good, violent combinations back and forth for 15 minutes, Grasso versus Karolnikovic in Chicago is one of my low-key, one of my favorite female fights ever. But Grasso was a lot of fans. I was actually, I took a while to find that question because I was sifting through a lot of unfortunate comments.
Starting point is 00:42:55 But moving on. You can sell the Shevchenko fight though. 100%, but not. I mean, what, not right. No, no, Grasso gets a one or a win. But you could sell it. You could sell. There's a lot of hooks there.
Starting point is 00:43:04 Magny versus Kiesa next. that one's this one was it was booked at one point right has to be booked probably i feel like michael case has been booked against a lot of people uh that uh has fallen off but i want to see nil on neil i think that's the fight to make yeah sorry no no neil on no neil on mike we want neal on neal um but it did feel like at least a year ago we're like 18 months ago this was like the perfect matchup for both i think it's a good fight now keez is sitting at eight and magni is probably going to hop up to what 12 or 10 so i know keesa won't fight anyone beneath him uh in the rank
Starting point is 00:43:36 So I think Neil on Neal-Neal makes sense, and maybe the winner fights Keiase, because Keesis has had, what, just had surgery? If I'm not a mistake, who knows when he's coming back, but I think that's a fun fight too. And RDA is now dropping back to lightweight, so everyone automatically moves up in the division below him. So let's, I want to see Neal-on-Neil.
Starting point is 00:43:57 I really like that fight. Waxomist won in the comments, said, Andrew, don't ruin Neal-N-N-L-L-L, so the people have spoken. The people-W-L-L-N-W-N-S. He-Sah did tweet out there. the thought, the m emojis after the fight. Because if he, if Roddy Lawler had won,
Starting point is 00:44:12 I think he would want that fight. I think that's a fight that Keisa wins. So I think he just wants fights that will move him up the rankings. But moving on. Hold on one more. Mohegan's son says Neil versus Neil or Neil and Neil versus Shemaiah. So there we go. Now we're thinking guys. Now we're.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Cam Soda. Out of three of these guys, who's the toughest you think? Of the three of us? Yeah, 100%. It's got to be me It's Mike It's got to be me I mean Mike is dad's dad strength
Starting point is 00:44:41 Mike is dad strength I'm one and won in amateur fights I can't I couldn't handle I'm a big kid at the stage of my life So it's this is it's Mike by default I haven't been I actually haven't been in like an actual fight And I've got a long long time I've like broken up fights and like
Starting point is 00:44:58 Been in weird spots but It was yeah it's been a long time I was a teenager You have a child You have a child and you're married You've been battling life every day. I do all of that. In a good way.
Starting point is 00:45:10 In a good way. The comments are voting me, by the way. They say me and Mike, they say me and Mike eat Alex. Okay. That's weird. We gang up on AK. No, we make him eat.
Starting point is 00:45:21 We make Alex. You ever watch Grain's TV, Robert Whitaker's podcast? It is low-key, one of the funniest podcasts in the world just because how dry their delivery is. And him and his coach have this debate over who would win or who would survive, who would be the best survivor man in
Starting point is 00:45:39 the woods, his coach is like, dude, I'd make you eat yourself. Like, I'm just so much more mentally strong than you. And, like, Robert Whitaker is, like, just so caught off guard by everything that is happening. It's peak MMA. So if anyone has, anyone has, like, a good two minutes in their life, go find that episode. That's hilarious. Let's see. I'm going through. Yeah. Yeah. For whatever reason. Like six more minutes.
Starting point is 00:46:05 People are saying Magni versus Edwards a lot. I like that fight, but if I'm Leon Edwards, I don't take that. Leon Edwards should be fighting Mosvidal. Yeah, I mean, that's the fight that makes sense. I have a feeling we're going to see Edwards versus Wonderboy. I'd rather see Magny versus Wonderboy. Like Magny versus Wonderboy makes a lot of sense to me. And then you do Edwards versus Mazadol?
Starting point is 00:46:29 I just don't know if that fight happens. I just don't know if Mazadol thinks like Edwards is a big enough draw, but that story like sells itself. I don't understand why that fight hasn't been made. It's craziness. I agree. Neal on Neil. For whatever reason, and I don't know why,
Starting point is 00:46:46 but we're getting a ton of comments about Marvin Vittori all of a sudden. So let's talk about it. Are they coming from Marvin himself? No. Well, they're coming from a lot of people, and now people are saying, like, they're trying to fantasy matchmake Welterweight's movie, up because apparently, like, Mohican Sun said Marvin
Starting point is 00:47:03 Vittory is so underrated. He's the only guy to go toe to toe to with Izzy thus far. And then Ricardo chimes in. Marvin Tori is being ducked. Someone says, Leon Edwards should move up and fight Marvin Vittori for the most ducked fighter in MMA title. It's wild, man. I don't know where it came from, but everyone's talking about Marvin Toro all of a sudden. Are you ducking Marvin? I don't know if they're ducking Marvin
Starting point is 00:47:23 Vittori. I just don't know if he has the cachet yet that unfortunately a lot of these guys ranked ahead of him. you know, that they'd be interested in fighting him. I don't call that ducking. To me, that's not the same thing as ducking. Ducking is when it seems like, oh, the most logical sort of obvious matchup, and you're kind of on a collision course, and then you find a way to veer out.
Starting point is 00:47:43 That's kind of ducking. Even then, I do not use the term ducking lately. He's close. Like, he's close to breaking through. Vitoris? Just these comments alone. Yeah, just these comments alone. Got people talking about.
Starting point is 00:47:55 His performance is a good, too. But, yeah, he's right. He's close. He's probably like another, he's another really good win away. You should fight Brad Tavares or Heinish next. One guy who really wants to fight him is Kevin Holland. Kevin Holland wants to slap Marvin Vittori. Kevin Holland wants to fight everyone, but especially people named Marvin Vittori.
Starting point is 00:48:14 Yes. Kevin all wants to smack him up. There's some history there. Marvin's legit. I truly think he's like one more good win away from like breaking through and climbing those ranks. I was on the same floor as Sam and Jackson. I have never heard a human being so loud after a fight fallout. Because I was like a good hallway down because like I was staying on one other hallway
Starting point is 00:48:41 he's on the other. It didn't matter. I could hear him through like seven walls just losing his mind. And I knew it was Marvin Vittory because I could hear his accent. I knew he was on that floor. And I knew what had happened. I was afraid to go outside because if he would see me, he would take out his wrath on the first human being you saw.
Starting point is 00:48:57 He's a bad man. I mean, he deserves better. He deserves a top 15 fight. I just think he needs, like, one more win before these other guys are like, all right, I'll fight this guy. Someone wants to chime in on the who would win in a fight between us. Javon says Casey E. Leiden, which is apparently E. Casey Leiden's evil twin. Yeah. Right now, Casey would probably win that fight.
Starting point is 00:49:21 First, that dude trains. First of all, secondly, can we get this man's tweets on the UFC broadcast? He was hashtagging properly today. I'm not entirely sure he's even watching the show, but he was hashtagging properly. He was using hashtag UFC Vegas 8. He may have been quote tweeting some unrelated, potentially politically charged tweets on the side,
Starting point is 00:49:44 but really, is that any reason to keep his tweets off the broadcast? Come on now. So it wasn't tonight. Unfortunately, I thought tonight would be the night, but we have yet to see E. Casey Leiden's beautiful mustache featured on the UFC broadcast. but that day is coming, my friends, that day is coming, right to your local government
Starting point is 00:50:01 to get some support. And let's get that subway tweet not get on the podcast. That was the best tweet of the night. Amazing. And let's get one more question in before we call it a day. We haven't touched upon this at all, but I feel like we have to talk about it. Is Kutalaba versus Ankolaev a curse fight?
Starting point is 00:50:19 I mean, we got to put it in the conversation now. I have a lot of questions about this. Kutalaba tested positive for COVID again. I know he had tested positive. it before like did he ever recover was he training was he doing media was he doing face sauce was using weigh-ins like did he ever fully recover from that like that is the question that i have when i saw that news did he get it again did the ante did is his antibodies just through the roof like i there's a lot of questions i want to answer yeah he might i mean he must have
Starting point is 00:50:46 passed like he must have passed all the tests beforehand because you got to get tested right away so you must have passed those and then he failed another one like when i first saw that I'm like, oh, it's Anka-Lav because Kudalaba just failed one. Right. I didn't think you could fail, too. Right. So I have a lot of questions, and I think it's, I hope it's, you know. I don't believe in curses.
Starting point is 00:51:08 I don't believe in jinxes. I'm not a superstitious man. We've been over this many, many times. But this is weird. I mean, this is a hard one to explain. Let's not forget they did fight. You know, as everyone knows, of course, they fought in February. That incredibly bizarre fight where, first of all, Coutab.
Starting point is 00:51:24 I don't know where the animosity came from. just got right in front of Ancolao's face before the fight even started. So that was already enough strangeness for one day. And then, of course, the fight lasted less than 40 seconds because Kutalaba was hurt or was doing kind of a rope-a-dove faking? We can't be sure. And there was just a horrible, horrible, horrible stoppage by, I just cannot remember the referee. Who was the referee of that fight? I can't remember off the time I'm out.
Starting point is 00:51:48 I'm looking it up right now. Was it Herzog? It was not. Oh, it was Kevin McDonald's sorry. A fine official, but definitely a rough, rough moment. I do not know what he was thinking calling that fight. I just rewatch that multiple times. Someone says he thought it was his coach that caught it.
Starting point is 00:52:06 So if that's the case, I don't know 100% what the situation was. I think it was a Ricky Simone's coach tested positive or someone in his inner circle. Maybe that's what he was referring to. But I don't know if the full details, but if Kutalaba did test positive again for COVID-19, like that. I have a lot of questions. Yeah, they were supposed to fight at 249, which was originally supposed to be in April, and that goes, of course, the coronavirus canceled that whole event or had it postponed. And then 252 was, like you said, the first Kuchelaba positive test.
Starting point is 00:52:33 That was just two weeks ago. And then now today, this morning, we find out another positive test. So I won't go as far as say curse, but definitely bizarre and definitely, unfortunately, it had probably reached that level where the matchmakers are like, should we do this? Do we want to put this one together again? Is it worth it? Maybe we should send them in opposite directions.
Starting point is 00:52:50 I, for one, hope they rebook it. I do want to see this rematch really badly. So, no, I don't think it's cursed, and I'm not going to view it that way. What about Julia? Like, look at Julia Avila right now, okay? She debuted in July of last year. She was booked to fight Carol Rosa four different times. Then, when Carol Rosa could have fought, she couldn't get to the U.S.,
Starting point is 00:53:13 so she gets, like, a short-notice replacement within a week, finishes that fight. Now she's booked to fight Nika Montania. Rematch. Again. Yes. For the third time. The third time. This fight gets rebooked. So it's supposed to happen next weekend. Now that's not happening. Now it's October 3rd because Nica Montanio tested positive for COVID-19,
Starting point is 00:53:34 which is a wild story in itself. October 3rd would be Fight Island, right? Yeah, I believe so. Nothing official yet, but it's looking very likely at this point. All right. Her U.C. debut was supposed to be against Melissa Gato and was instead, and Gato got injured, was sitting against Fini Kansas. So she's... She said nine shakers.
Starting point is 00:53:54 Julia Avila has logged two UFC fights and then neither of them, and now it's soon to be three, and then none of them is she facing the person that she was originally she'll face. So when she signs, at this point, she's going to sign these bout agreements and just she's probably to say yes, whoever it is, I'm signing on. I'm really signing on for the date more so than the opponent. Just let me know when it's time when fight that week rolls around, it's time to go. All right. She got a new four fight deal out of the whole thing, so good on her.
Starting point is 00:54:17 Good for her. All right. One more for you, Mike. Heck, drop some bars, like rap bars. So I'm going to add one more. I just got another comment. Oh, I thought Mike was going to drop. Yeah. I'm trying to hear heck spits.
Starting point is 00:54:32 This also just came in. Heck, you got rhythms or what? One more. There was a time. Have a heck of a week, everybody. There's your one line. There you go. Close it out, Mike.
Starting point is 00:54:45 He didn't even need a beat. I was going to give him a beat. He didn't even need it. Word to your mother. Close it out. Vanilla eyes I got nothing I'm like
Starting point is 00:54:56 If this is like three hours ago My kid was running around I probably could drop a few But uh Oh it's gonna happen It's gonna happen now It's gonna happen Challenge accepted
Starting point is 00:55:06 Has to happen Yeah I mean Thanks guys Guys guys guys are crazy I say this every week And I have to say it every week Everyone who tunes into the Postby show You guys are nuts
Starting point is 00:55:15 I know it's not as late as usual I really get scared When I see like 400 500 people tuning into like a friggin 3.30 a.m. Eastern time show. When at UFC 247 during the post-fight, we were doing the live stream for the
Starting point is 00:55:28 press conference, and I was like doing commentary and interviewing a lot of journalists about how they scored Jones Reyes, and like 18,000 people were watching at like 2 in the morning. I was like, go to sleep. I remember, I watched that on, this is pre-em-May fighting days for me. I watched that
Starting point is 00:55:44 on my television set. Mike Jackson and Kendrick Johnson only fires to score it for John Jones. I remember that. Anyway, it's a random August fight night and you guys are joining us once again. You guys are the best. You guys are absolutely the best. How about Dominic Reyes with like, I don't know if we're going to call it a full-on heel turn tonight, but we're bordering there. We're getting there. He was very vocal tonight. He had a lot of things to say. I think he had a few too many adult sodas tonight. Yeah. Not just about the main event. He was talking that noise about like every fight today. Oh, he also was a shot his shot at Alexa Grasso last I saw, unless it's deleted all. Did he?
Starting point is 00:56:28 Yeah. He wrote like, Alexa Grosso was amazing. And then like he responded with P.S. I love you so much. Class. There you go. By the extra shout out as well to our UK. I see JT.M.A. saying it's 5.34 a.m. UK time.
Starting point is 00:56:43 So extra shout out, of course, anyone watching in a time zone where it's the crack of dawn or, you know, whatever. the sun isn't even up yet. Also shout us to Carlos Gonzalez in the comments who just wrote Alexander annoying. I love you too, Carlos Gonzalez. I love all the guys listening right now. We have like just a, it's a variety of flavor here. We got you covered all across the board. All sorts of personalities, all sorts of everything.
Starting point is 00:57:04 But you'll hear more from AK on Monday morning. We drop onto the next one right away. So when you wake up Monday morning, you can listen to the podcast right away. We got you covered on that. And I will say this. I was going to make a little promo video for this. this but the matchup on between the links that you've all been craving for the last several weeks i believe is happening this week jose i see the smile on your face we're going to figure out
Starting point is 00:57:30 how to make this thing happen but uh who my face it you know who you're facing i don't know what's his name randy i don't know randy wow it's like that it's like that is that the guy who is that the guy who cuts his own hair i'm just assuming there's nothing wrong with that oh okay I don't, but there's nothing wrong with that. There's something wrong with it when it comes out. If you're left-handed and you're cutting with your right hair, I'm assuming that's what his case is. Because if that's not the case, I don't know what's going on there.
Starting point is 00:58:01 Who would you rather beat more on between the links? Jed or Nile? I mean, Nile is my son. So first I would have to unground him for him to even be on between the links. Like that's, so, I mean, that wouldn't even, it doesn't even, like, if he wants to be on between the leagues, you'd have to be like, Jose, can I please be on between the legs? I'd be like, I think you need to stay in the room just a little bit longer.
Starting point is 00:58:25 And then I'd be like, okay, and then he has to go back. So it's not even that I want to. Just like, what is the name? Jed? He's this next man up. I love it. I'm so excited for that battle. The last two have been great between Jed and Sean Ross Sapp.
Starting point is 00:58:40 But Sean's going to take a week off and Jose is going to step in and make this thing happen. So, all right, I think we're done here. We've talked everything we could about this event. We'll do it again next Saturday. after Alastair Wolverine and Augusta Sukai do the damn thing in the octagon inside the apex. So for Jose Youngs, for A.K. Lee, thank you all for watching. I am Mike Eck. Have a good night, everybody.
Starting point is 00:59:01 BOW!

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