MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 80 & Bellator 300 Post-Fight Show | Did Bobby Green's Stunning KO Give UFC Weekend Win?

Episode Date: October 8, 2023

Bobby Green knocked out Grant Dawson in just over 30 seconds at the UFC APEX on Saturday, which may have overshadowed a historic night for Bellator that featured three world championship bouts. MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Shaheen Al-Shatti, and José Youngs react to UFC Vegas 80 and Bellator 300, and discuss which promotion won the weekend. Additionally, they discuss Green’s massive finish of Grant Dawson to pull off the big upset, where “King” goes from here, Joe Pyfer’s future at 185, and more. Also, the panel talks Usman Nurmagomedov’s complete dominance of Brent Primus to retain the Bellator lightweight title in the main event, Cris Cyborg’s destruction of Cat Zingano and Leah McCourt appearing to be next in line for the featherweight title, the lackluster flyweight title fight between Liz Carmouche and Ilima-Lei Macfarlane, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Shaheen Al-Shatti: @shaunalshatti Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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available now, only from Audible. We're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. We're live, pal. Yes, we are. Those are the victory horns, and they sound for the three fighters. We have championship belts in this big graphic.

That's weird. Liz Carbush, Chris Cyborg, Usenermagamatoff. And also, it doesn't sound for Grant Dawson. Those victory horns, when they were sounding, they sound for Bobby Green, Sheet al-Shadi. They sound for Bobby freaking Green, who just melts, absolutely lamps. Grant Dawson.

In the main event of UFC Vegas 80, I almost woke my whole family up when that happened because that was just freaking incredible. But welcome to the show, everybody. We're recapping UFC Vegas 80. We're recapping Bellator 300, which just wrapped up. It wrapped up with Usen-Maga-Madoff barely breaking a sweat against Brent Primus, absolutely dominant performance.

Chris Cyborg just absolutely runs over Katzangano for a quick finish. And then Liz Karmouche in Alimale-McFarlane. They did a thing. They got in a cage and threw punches and kicks at each other. And unfortunately, it ended in a super sad way. because of Lima-Lay McFarland badly injured knee ended pretty bad, but Liz Karmouche could end of that fight at any point. So I guess, Shahid, the real question is we talked about this heading in.

What's the more intriguing event? If you could only watch one, what would you pick? It seemed like Bellator 300. Ust & Maga Madoff was the must-see pick of the weekend. Now that it's all played out, Shaheen, do you feel like you were correct that you picked the right card, the right fight, the right moment? Who won the weekend, Shaheen? Was it Bellator in their historic event?

or is the UFC in the world's most famous apex? My internet connection is all kinds of breaking up right now. So I didn't hear the end of your question, but I'm going to just go with it. I mean, look, let's be all honest here with each other, right? Like, we all picked Bellator. We all thought Bellator was the better main card. On paper, it was.

What in the world? What is going on? What is going on? Keep bear with us, guys. Casey's on site and Jose is doing all of the producing. You're doing great. You're doing a great job. You're crushing it, Jose.

You're crushing it. I don't even remember. Bellator. A bellator, I mean, on paper, Belator was the better man card, right? It's objectively like the more meaningful card, certainly. Our good friend Casey on site put it excellently where, you know, we just watched a potentially top five to top three lightweight in the world, make easy work of a pretty, a fairly decent opponent.

And we also watched one of the greatest women fighters of all time, just melt someone, just straight murder someone almost in the cage there with with absolute ease so like that's the more meaningful card surely but come on i mean most the more entertaining of the two was obviously the ufc i mean bobby green man bobby green like no one saw this coming we were talking about this on the show and not really any of us gave him much of a chance to pull off what he just did it's it's just incredible to me what he's sort of been able to do in this final career chapter of his this is whatever this late run of his is right like he is 37 years old and a lot of lightweight division that is historically incredibly unkind to men his age.

And he's put together one of the best sort of UFC stretches that he's maybe ever had. Like you look at everything that was stacked against him, right? Comes into this, dude, he already had 29 professional fights when Grant Dawson made his MMA debut. Like Bobby Green was already a grizzled veteran in the UFC when Grant Dawson started cage fighting. He out here, 4 to 1 underdog, 37 years old against the 29 year old. no one gave him much of a shot in the last 33 seconds.

Like that's, that's like if not the best win of his career. It's easily one of the best wins of his career. And it probably is actually the best win of Bobby Green's entire UFC career. For him to be able to pull that off at age 37, doing it the way they did where really, yeah, no one saw it coming. Grant Dawson coming in, had nine fights in the UFC,

had not tasted defeat in the UFC. And he tasted that way for the first time. All the power to the OG, man. Like that, it is rare we see this. You look at like an almost like a mini, Mazv-Dol type of run that Greenson, right? Like, it's definitely not what Jorge Mazbid all did late in his career. But it is sort of like this weird, I don't even know if culmination is the right word,

but he is more popular now than he ever has. And he's finding more success in of a fan base than he ever has before. So all the credit to him, man. That man's lasted. He's done it and he did it tonight. It was incredible to watch. I'm glad you mentioned the Mazadal thing because I know Daniel Cormier talked about it at the end of the broadcast.

And Jed and I have been talking about this for a while. Like we do the Q&A episodes of BTL. A lot of times we get like who's the next sort of Mazadol guy that could just sort of be a veteran. We all want like kind of good things for this person. And maybe they can just have a big moment where it's like playing a round of golf. You can just stink on the golf course. But there's something something told me a long time ago. I think it was my dad and said you can change a shitty round of golf into a really good round and three shots.

Bobby Green can become a star in three fights. Like it's always, I feel like it's been there for like three years since the pandemic star, waiting for Bobby Green just go on this like three fight run and just get to that next level. And I think the UFC's like really ready for it. And then he goes out and just knocks out a guy who hasn't lost in forever. It just is a huge underdog and gets it done. So Shane, I know you tweeted out because Hanato Moikano and his infinite wisdom just jumped on

bananas on social media. Just wet bananas on social media. If you are the matchmakers, is this the fight you're making? Are you doing Bobby Green versus Anadda Boycano? Are you doing something different? I mean, I like it. Moikano has sold me on it. Bobby Green's probably going to be ranked above Moikano

once this comes out on Monday when it comes to the UFC rankings at least, which we all know those are not the most important rankings. But for their purposes, that's certainly important. Grant Dawson was number 10. I wouldn't be surprised Bobby Green jumps in at number 10. Moycano's at number 13 right now. That being said, I like that fight. You know, Moecoe's on a nice little bit of run.

He has a little bit of momentum, too, with the way he's been able to promote himself, doing all sort of the outside of the cage things, but also the in-cage promos. I don't know. I didn't think about that fight until Moikana proposed it, but I like it. What about you, Mike? You were the matchmaker extraordinaire. We really want to hear from you with this. I'm not going to give my answer, but I can assure you.

I think when I say this, you'll probably figure out who it is. it's not going to be Hinauoyano. It will not be him. It will be somebody ranked higher than Hanoanoano because I really think the UFC is going to try to push the span. I think they're going to push them. I think they're going to try to make a big move here and see if Bobby Green come through again

against a really good grappler. And I think there's really only one name that kind of stands out that could possibly be available for this fight before the year is over. And it starts at them and it ends with the two scamrod as long as he's not the actual backup for the title fight and is not tagged in in October in Abu Dhabi. Dude, Bobby Green versus Batush Gamrod at UFC 296 on top of that featured prelim ESPN.

Let's go. Let's do that. I'm totally down for that. Yes, either the shot clock just went off or Jose completely agrees with me. I can't tell if that's Jose agreeing. No, that's that's Jose agreeing. Our internet decided to cut off the first three seconds of a four second air horn. So you got the tail end of an air horn.

We persevere. Yes. What did it. That was incredible. It sounded so much better, which just like the one horn. It was awesome. Well done. Absolutely well done.

Yeah, but great performance for Bobby Green. Where Grand Dawson goes from here, I don't really know. It's tough to lose these fights in these spots, especially in this division. It's almost, I might say it's impossible to come back from. But it's really, really tough, especially with some of these other guys coming up. So a massive win for Bobby Green. Tough night for Grant Dawson in his first year. UFC main event. Good night to be Joe Pfe for Shaheen Al-Shadi. He looked real good.

Pretty fun main card. Alexander Hernandez, Bill Algio kicked off the main card with a banger, super fun fight. And at that point, we really needed like a super fun fight to happen. And it kicked off in a big way. Joaquin Buckley looking damn good. There's a lot to like about this UFC main card. So who is outside of obviously Bobby Green, who is your big standout performance? Like, if you had to tell somebody who called you right now, like, tell me what I have to. to watch on this UFC Vegas 80 card outside of Bobby green what do you tell him oh my lord I don't know why this internet is so rough right now this is just great um I mean man I've been on the Joe Piper train for since this man debuted in the UFC since he was in the contender series the second time

I am really starting to become a believer in this man he fights with a ruthlessness with a savagery with a ferocity that is fairly uncommon right like you go in you watch him go in there he is trying to end people with every single thing that he does. And there's just an anger behind it. And obviously, if you know his story, like, you can understand where a lot of that anger comes from. But man, I don't know. Like, I, I'm not, I don't know that I'm all the way there yet with him all the way, all the way. I'm getting damn close. Are you a full believer right now in the Joe Piper train, Mike Heck? I'm probably in the same place you are right now where I was like, okay, like, I like what I'm seeing. There's potential. I think I've leaped

beyond the potential part of the conversation where I'm like, all right, this guy might really be something. And like, when you listen on to the next one tomorrow, I'm giving this dude, I'm giving him a step up, like a really strong one, as you will see. I'm not going to give him like a top five dude, but I'm going to give him somebody like I need to know. And even if he loses, like, I don't think it's going to hurt him too much because you could just be an exciting finisher and you can do very, very well in that position. But I kind of want to see if he's for real sheen. I kind of want to see if he is the real deal.

So I'm ready to see him take a little bit of a leap up in competition. And Abdul Razak al-Assan was a dangerous fight, but I think we all kind of expected how that was going to play out. As long as Joe Pfeiffer could get out of five minutes and 30 seconds, he was going to win this fight. Just look at the numbers and look at the science behind Abdul Razak al-Azan fights. you get past five minutes and 30 seconds you're probably going to win that submission was nasty i can't believe it wasn't stopped with the actual tap uh joe paper's a bad bad man jeanne uh it's past

potential uh it's to the point where i'm like okay i kind of need to see how good he is and i kind want to see it right now that's where i'm at yeah i'm with you man i mean we've seen it historically right like middleweight is a division where you can make strides very very quickly if you're fighting like this. Like we've seen it time and time again, the guys who sort of get that pump, get that rise real quick because they're just going out there

and ending fools. And that's sort of where we're at. I'm with you. Like Joe Fiper has made it very clear, like I'm not going to fight anybody unless you give me a little bit of a raise, which I understand and that's the right way to approach this.

He said it himself. Like he has that four fight deal. Three of them are up. That's usually when the UFC renegotiates. I would fully anticipate just having been in this space and seeing how this stuff works, that he is going to get that renegotiation. that he's asking for, and part and parcel with that will be a fight that matters,

a fight against the top 15-15 guy, maybe like a periphery guy, 15, 14, 13, right in that middleweight division. And I'm here for it, man. I'm ready to see how high this guy can go. Because, again, we've seen it with Alex Pereira, we've seen it with Driggis too. Please see, we've seen it with a lot of the new middleweights coming up. There is room for advancement at 185, and this division makes absolutely no sense right now with Sean Strickland at the top, and who knows who was going to fight Sean Strickland,

and who knows where any of these dudes really sit at this point. It is a brand new division completely reset with that most recent result we've gotten. So I'm here for it, man. I'm excited with the future of Joe Pfehrin who he could be because he continues to just show out every chance he gets. I remember, I don't know if it was like 2021 or 2022. Dana White was asked at the beginning of the year, like what his favorite division in the sport was, like the one he was looking forward to seeing how it was going to play out over the next couple of years. And he said middleweight and people just killed him for it.

And it turns out he was right. Like we got we still on top of everything that has happened with like Pereira and Izzy and freaking Sean Strickland is the middleweight champion. And now we got Hamzaat Shemayev and Paul Costa. We got Joe Pfeiffer. We got freaking Bo Nickel on the come up. I mean, Jesus Christ, man. So many.

Middleweight is incredibly fun right now. It's incredibly fun. And Paul Craig's a freaking middleweight right now who's just absolute bananas. Getting ready to fight Brennan Allen who's on a nice streak. Like middleweight is super duper fun right now. So Joe Piper a nice little addition, very intrigued to see where he goes from here. We'll talk probably more about the UFC and we get some fan questions about Shaheen. Let's talk about Bellator 300.

We slogs through the prelims. Kind of a tough hang. Leah McCourt, nice finish. And apparently she is going to get herself a title fight with Chris Seiborg for her finish of Sarah McMahon. We start with Liz Carmooge. Assuming the Belator exists. Well, see, they're smart. They're all saying, let's do it in Japan because it doesn't have to be a Belator card.

It could just be a rising card with a Belator title on the line. It's all, it's all real. It's however they want to do it. Yeah. We got Carmouche versus Lima-Mikfarland. I think we had an idea of how that fight was going to be. It was probably a lot worse than it was. I mean, the referee had to give two warnings about,

timidity between the second round and going into the third round never a good thing and then in round four he's yelling at them like do more stuff please not a good side and then obviously chris cyborg and cat zangano and then uzer and amaga made off versus bremice and chaheen i got to tell you one thing that is just annoying me about social media these days do it my tech people just think that bellator sucks and that it doesn't exist and that nothing matter The amount of conversations I was having about people just discrediting Usman or Magamayev as a prospect is incredible. Like how could he, well, he's not Hamzaat Shamaath. He's not Shafkaat Rakbato. No shit. He's Usumna Maghamahemanov. He can only fight who he's supposed to fight.

And he's just melting fools. He's not even breaking his sweat. He hasn't even been like touched. He hasn't been in trouble at all in any of these fights. He can't control who he fights. he just destroys all of them. He killed Benson Henderson, who was on like a nice little run before that fight. Brent Premise is a tough dude. He submitted Benson Henderson. No one submits Benson Henderson, man. That's not a thing that happens in the world.

This guy is one of the seven or eight best prospects of the sport. At worst. At worst. And if you want to throw, you know, I understand the Hamzot. And there's a lot of guys under 30 who, like you don't even think are under 30 because they've been fighting for still long that are still under 30, like shot O'Malley and Brandon Moreno and Hamzot and, you know,

Shafcott, like there's some killers under 30. But to say Usen or Magamatov is not in this conversation at all. It's like, hmm, maybe he is like, he might actually be the best guy. We don't know for sure. But to just leave him out of the conversation

because he's impellator is ridiculous to me, dude. It's ridiculous. I mean, it's absurd. It's absurd, especially when you like, look at the trek, record of guys coming over from Bellator to the UFC, right? Like we've seen a lot of success stories of people come from Belator to the UFC. People come from other promotions to the UFC. And I remember, I'm old enough to remember when people were doing this about

Strike Force and St. Strike Force was some inferior brand with inferior fighters. And then all of the Strike Force fighters came to the UFC and a lot of them won titles, especially a lot of the main ones. WEC, same thing. A lot of the WEC guys come over to the UFC. They're overrated. No one cares, whatever. And then they end up winning titles.

and putting on all these highlights. Like, we have seen this happen time and time again. People don't learn their lesson in this sport. That's just sort of the reality of it. I'm not going to be shocked if Bellator ends, and then a lot of the Belator fighters come over and are very competitive, whether it's a Johnny Ebblin or an Usman, never got made off or an A.J. McKee or whoever you want to throw out there.

Because I agree with you, Mike. I mean, Ousman, to me, looks like he was bored tonight. Looked to me, like, after two rounds, you very much was aware that, like, Brent Primis, kind of couldn't do anything to him. So he was just messing around a little bit, almost in the way that like Habib did with Al-Aiquinta that one time where it was just like,

eh, I'm just going to kind of do some stuff here and try some stuff out and ride this out. I don't know. I mean, the first two rounds were very impressive to me. And then again, he kind of put it on cruise control. But I feel like that guy might be a top five lightweight, might be a top three lightweight, depending on what kind of matchups he can get.

And he is still so damn young. Like, that is the thing. We still do. we have not even begun to scratch the surface of this man's potential. And he's already like an undefeated champion of the second best organization of the world. Like that's not that's not bad. Like anybody who's crapping on who's Menorga Madov. Like that's, I don't actually know what you're doing.

I really, I know Bellator 301 is happening. And I really hope no matter what happens, we do get to see this finale. If Alexander Shobli wins and beats Patrick Pitbull, which I, look, I'm not supposed to root for anybody for my intrigue levels. I kind of need Shobli to win. because I need to see. If Usman does that to Alexander Shobli, like, enough is enough. You can't deny this man anymore because Shobly is ridiculously good.

He could be a top 15 lightweight in the UFC, Shably. Like, he's that good. Like, he is a solid, solid hand. And if Uspin just goes out there and just runs him over for either 25 minutes or finishes this man without a struggle, like, how can you deny this man anymore? How can you deny this man in a conversation? It's better than most wins of any of the other. guys you mentioned right there so i need to see it and look if if patricky pit bull wins i kind of hope

usman just says you know what keep your million i'm going to the ufc i'll go fight arm and sarukin i'll go fight matush gamrod i'll go fight anybody at one fifty just engage you baby i'm telling you usman just engage he is the fight i'm gonna manifest because i want to see it so badly and then connor mcgregor like refuses to fight michael chandler so poor michael chandler will have to fight usur Usur Maga Madoff in his next flight. Oh, my God. So I brought that up on Twitter. I was like, wow, that's just the worst.

So yes, that's Bellator 300. I mean, let's go to the Peeps. I want to give the Peep's some time here. Felton 300. It was what it was. And here's Jose. Hi, Jose. Hello.

Doing great job. We do our best. Yes. Let's take some questions from the peeps. I've tried. There's been a lot of to speak to the comment section. You guys are asking the same question, just worded differently. So I'm trying to pull, like, anything out of it because it's surprisingly all about how Bobby Green's great.

And like you said, a lot of people just not impressed with Usman, like Super Dave Fairtex right here. Kind of a fail for Usman. So, like, how is this a fair? Hold on. I mean, go ahead, go ahead. I get it. It was a boring fight. like the last 15 minutes pretty boring there no tension at all you kind of knew exactly where this was

going to go there was no threat level there was no danger in it at all in any way like i get it it it was a very boring fight but also one guy just completely dominated what was the striking total like 150 to 23 or something like that like yeah yeah you know like he was bored i don't know it seemed like he was really bored out there the wind did nothing for usman thanks for showing up to be a 40-year-old in a decision. I mean, I don't know, man. I don't know what else you want from the guy. I mean, I get it.

I get it. But also, it was a long night. This is not the guy. Yeah. Right. I agree. Yeah. It was a long night of fights.

The UFC was kind of a tough hang for a lot of it. And then we get through that. We get this great moment with Bobby Green. We're like, now we get to go to Bellator 300 with these three title fights. And the three title fights just weren't compelling at all. all. So I get it. I get why there's a sour taste in the mouth. Bobby with full fight camp is a beast. He's taking too many short notes fights. About time, he got a chance to shine like that. Yes, Hank Hill. Good performance. It's a very angry Hank Hill in the picture, too. Super angry. What else he got?

It was not at all boring. Usman put on a clinic. It was beautiful to watch. The first three rounds were incredibly fun to watch because anything Brent Primus did, Uspin kicked to him in the liver every single time no matter what brent did bret try to go for a takedown he got kicked in the gut if you try to go for a punch he got kicked in the body if you tried a leg kick he got kicked in the liver again like oosman was just so good he knew everything brent was going to do before brent did it it was insane the distance management the distance management was just obscene from pillor to post like brent you saw at the end if you heard brent say to his corner like he was just so elusive in there like i couldn't figure out what to do he looked like a demoralized

man after 10 minutes and I get it. Yeah, not only was he elusive, but like when they would show the slow motion replays between rounds, that's when I really started to appreciate what Usman was doing in there. Like he threw that like question mark kick and then followed it up with a lead right. And then Brent Primis like came in and threw a spinning back fist and Usman duct it and then came in with a body shot. It's like Mike said. He saw everything coming from a mile away and just had a counter for everything.

It was pretty unbelievable to watch. But in real time, I get it. If you watch the replay in slow motion, I think you'd have a lot more appreciation. Anyway. Boarding for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. Ugh, what? Sounds like Ojo time. Play Ojo? Great idea.

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Are you tapping al-Hazan? Yeah, geez, Louise. That was a weird thing, right? It was very weird. It clearly looked to me like the punch thing to the shoulder was that was enough to signify a tap to me. And then he's like, he's his convulsing on the ground. He's like, oh, Abdul, are you tapping? What do you think? It was tough, man.

It was tough to watch. I was actually like a little nervous for him. I'm like, come on, please. Once the convulsing started, it was like, all right. What are we about to watch here? Not even the commentators really knew what was happening. Because one of them yelled he's tapping. The other one said he's fighting back.

So I just, I have no idea. Like the whole situation, the camera angle is weird too. It was just an odd, odd situation all around. I'll tell you what, though. If Joe Piper had gotten that submission in the, like, the first minute, like he almost did. Oh, yeah. I would have lost my mind, man. That dude is impressive, man.

I know you can only fight the people you get thrown against, but he is just manhandling people in a way that, like, you really do not see grown. men grown like professional fighters get manhandled in the way that he's doing it. He's a physical freak. Sticking with the referee questions. Should Chris Tione be reprimanded for doing nothing about Glenn's blatant glove grabs? It was pretty bad.

It was pretty bad. But what have we been saying, Shaheen, on these post-fight shows for like three years now? The lesson. There's a golden rule. As always. You get three. You get three free ones. Use them up.

With Chris, you might get five, depending on the night. It's nuts, man. He might just, sometimes he'll just take a point on the first one. And then sometimes he just won't at all for an entire night. He is maybe one of the most inconsistent referees I've ever seen. Sticking with Mike, I know you're doing on to the next one. And I haven't watched Bobby Green's press conference yet or any of the post-show stuff. But so I don't know if this is true, but apparently Bobby Green brought up Dan Hooker's name.

Sure. I don't hate that. That's the first name that popped in my head. It was Moikano, Bobby Green, and Dan Hooker kind of have like this triangle where any of those matchups make sense. And then the other one, like if they want to give him Gamrod or whoever, then I'm all for it. Yeah, my, my pick for Gamrodot after the Fizib win was Dan Hooker. That was my pick.

And now with everything else going on and Bobby Green beating Grant Dossack. because I didn't think Bobby Green was going to beat Grant Dawson, so I didn't even have Bobby Green in my mind. But now that he's done it, I think Bobby Green gets Gamrod. Dude, Dan Hooker Hanato-Oycano is the other. Is the consolation prize? It's a pretty damn good consolation prize right there. That fight has made sense since they both fought on the last MSG card.

They both had big wins. I think Moycano didn't want to go fight in Australia because one of his coaches couldn't get into Australia, so I just don't think they even looked into that. But I thought that fight made sense for a while. um just tonight is just so emblematic of of why the sport is so zany and just ridiculous and no one knows anything right like you have grand dawson in here undefeated nine ufc fights coming off a win over like demure is magulov who i think i know have incredible respect for i on that pre-fight show i was like

this is a step down for him yeah for sure sure like difficulty of opposition and then at the end of the you have like 37 year old bobby green who again has been doing this for 15 years and like was mildly struggling with jared gordon just like a year ago earlier this year i don't even remember when that fight was at this point and he just starts as a kid in like 33 seconds like nobody ever knows anything none of us can ever is just if you can if you can find success consistently winning money in this sport good for you men is it dan bobby green and cool sport bobby yeah bobby green and hugh Pulley just finishing Grant Dawson 30 seconds. It's craziness.

Grant just malls everybody else, but Bobby Green and Hugh Pulley or a trivia question linked forever, those two gentlemen. Hucker just called up Bobby Green on Twitter like 20 minutes ago. He said, let's boogie Bobby Green, Moeconnell can suck it. That's his exact phrasing.

That's tremendous. I can't find the question again, but there's a lot of people or two or three people just talking about Chris's defensive wrestling. So if you guys have any thoughts about that fight just how it played out i mean she basically just mushed cat like anytime cat shot in she just kind of like nah it's not happening just pushed it just mushed her in the face like a big sister but doodle a little sister i i said in our slack like they could have fought that fight a hundred times cat zingano would not have won a single

round that was that was tough to watch very quickly when you realized what this was about to be yeah i kind of thought like cat would do different things because it was pretty obvious what she was going to try to do here and it was pretty obvious what chris was preparing for the only like the only and she didn't have like really any success but the only success cat zanano had in that fight was when she just went cray gray and just throwing banana punches just swinging them and she was connecting like cyborg was just eating them for lunch but

that was like her best chance chance to win. I think we knew after the first take down defense from Cyborg. I thought Cybor, I thought Zengano like tore knee up immediately. The way she crumbled to the ground and Cybor's just hitting her, I'm like, oh, God, like two fights in a row with like bad knee injuries. That was my initial thought. And then somehow Zengano ate a can of spinach like Popeye and pop back up to her feet and then just got wrecked again for another three and a half minutes. I mean, I think Chris is obviously just incredibly strong, right? Like, that's what that is.

It did look like. Kat did look like. I think Sean, you said it on the previous show. She just looked like a blown up bantam weight. Like she's not a feather weight. She's just a ban on weight that didn't cut weight. There was a very clear size advantage in there. Jose, I want to get your take on something because you tweeted something out about Chris

Cyborg because immediately after the win, Liam McCourt comes in and they have a faceoff. And I know in our Slack channel, we're like, oh, I guess she's going to fight Leah McCourt. And then other people were like, well, if she fights Leah McCorme before she fights Kayla Harrison or Larissa Pacheco or somebody else, like, it's just ridiculous. And then you tweeted out some to the effect of it's kind of refreshing to just go to the next person in line, essentially, and just go ahead and fight them, right? Yeah. So, and to me, I kind of agree with you on this one, Jose, because like, as cool as it would be to see like Kayla and especially the Pacheco fight, I think would be. really interesting. For Chris Seiborg, like, who gives a crap? Because she's going to make a whole bunch of money to fight either of these women, whether it's Leah McCourt or Kayla or Loris

Pacheco. And she don't make a dime more fight in either of those two. So just to me, it's just like, yeah, go fight the next person up. We only get you for a pretty short time before she calls it a career. Just give these women a chance, you know, like if Leah's ready, just go ahead and do that fight and make your money and do what you want to do. Like this is prize fighting. And that's what Chris is doing right now. Like it makes no difference who she fights at this point. Unless she fought like Nunes again.

Yeah. You have seen a paper viewpoints. Like she's not making an extra dime fighting anybody else. Yeah. I think, and I've been saying this for a while. Like there's a lot of faults that I see in Bellator in promotion and everything like the, like I was telling Mike before we went on air. The I don't need to see a whole countdown episode between fights. leading up to the fight. If I'm watching Bellator on a Saturday night, you don't need to sell me

on the fight. You don't need to give me like a five-minute video package on Chris Cyborg and Katzangano. Like, I get it. I'm here to watch it. But I do like how Bellator champions just kind of say, like I remember when Gaygard won the title. Like everyone's like, oh, rematch Machita, dude, like go up to light heavyweight this and that. And he was like, oh, well, Lovato kind of earned it. So I'll probably fight him. Like, and it's, that's just kind of been the Bellator thing for a while. like Katzangano could have been like Kayla Harrison Pacheco like I'm gonna eat you and she's like you know Liam McCourt earned it like I'll fight her Liz Karmouche was like Connoisse was like Kanan Watsunabi like she's earned it I want to fight her let's do it in Japan like I get like I want to

see the big money fights I want to see cyborg versus kale Harrison but I do like meritocracy and I do think it is kind of refreshing sometimes when you have champions just be like next man up let's go like I think that's why Max Holloway got really popular because like he could have gone up to fight 155, like two fights into his featherweight ran, but he's just like, Volcanowski, you're on a tear, you just beat Josealdo, I'll fight you, lost, got the rematch again. And I just, to me, I do like champions like that that are just like, next man up, let's go. But I see both sides.

But it was refreshing to hear multiple champions say, like, this person earned it. I'll fight them. Yeah, I mean, we say it all the time. Like, the hardest thing to do in the sport is not to become a two division champion. to do all these multi-weight division things. It's to defend that title over and over and over and over again until you're pushing that number into the stratosphere until you have Anderson's silver level title defenses,

DJ level title defenses. Like that is single, my difficult thing to do an M.A. That being said, I do agree that, you know, I kind of have no interest to see or just smash random people. Like I actually want to see her be in a competitive fight. And I think there's maybe one competitive fight for her in the entire sport, if not two. and I would like to see one of those two

but I don't think we're going to get it. Yeah. About it. Yes. Yes. Question from friend of the site. This is just a question in general. I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Oh, geez. Is Bellator 300 the most lifeless major show in MMA history? That's a bold statement. It's bold, but I mean, I think it's kind of fair question though is it not i mean it's been asked the fact that it's being asked is telling

do you guys remember what bell to her 200 was you remember what bell at was sean i know you remember what bellator 100 was because me and you were at that fight i do remember and it was it was they made it no effort to celebrate that one rebnie had no interest in being like he was just like the other day at the office i'm like oh make it semi special what was belator 200. It was wasn't it like a Randau kind of a card or was it? The legendary Raphael Carvalio

his title. Although to be fair, he was defending against Gayguard. Yeah, Gayguard and that was like Pete Gaygard. Yeah, that was kind of the big coronation for him. Wasn't that in London too? It wasn't even in like San Jose, San Diego area. Good memory. He was in London. Michael Page was on that. Yeah, I do remember that. Amir al-Bazi on the undercard.

Look at that. Huh. Wow. Huh. Interesting. This is a tough one. I can tell you the UFC 300. I don't think we'll have the same.

You have the same that we had coming out of this one. Yeah. Who was the Bellator 100 was at Grand Canyon University, right? Sean? Yeah, it was. Oh, my God. It wasn't even like in a major arena. It was like a college.

It was in like the fifth biggest arena in just. just Phoenix. Not even, it was very bizarre. Anyway, I digress. It's a fair question. I just don't know the answer. Um, you will put some respect on Bellator 100. One of the biggest statistical upsets of all time. Oh yeah. For sure. It was, uh, was it LaRue Burley beat, um, uh, yeah, Bobbi Jenkins. Was a war machine on that fight card too? Oh, man. What a time. He very much was. That was when they were trying to make war machine. the thing. What a time in MMA anyway. I don't know if you guys were watching like the

early preling of the UFC but did you guys have any thoughts on the decision between Marada and Vanessa? I'll get to this in a moment but let me just say the fact that Big Tuna was not on Bellator 300 is a travesty. This guy was so important to the growth between 200 and 300

and then they just sacrificed him to a teammate of Ryan Bader, who is very good. He is very good. And we're going to put him on the opening prelim of, I didn't want to talk about Big Tuna. That was a very bellatory move. One of the grossest mismanagement in Bellatory history.

Come on, man. This guy was so popular. He was one of my all-time favorite interviews was like three days after he won that fight. Did Marada get Rob versus DeMovos? Shaheen, did you watch this fight? No, I was on other duties at that point. So I missed this one. I'm not to go back and watch it.

I heard it was a con I heard it was controversial though. Do you feel do you do you watch it. Oh, is there. Yeah. Like I didn't have a huge issue with it. I really didn't. I'm just kind of surprised, but I didn't have a huge issue with it. The second round like Marado was on top, but DiMopoulos is just like,

that's what I'm saying. Hitting her a million times. It was it's the same argument in Tony Ferguson versus Danica Castillo, just someone on top, someone doing damage from the bottom. I remember having it and also working, but just from looking up, I thought Marado was winning because she was always in dominant positions, like just optically. But if you like sat and watched like Vanessa was like as soon as Marada got on top, she just immediately got rubber guard and was just thrown elbows from the bottom. And then she would control. It was it wasn't the most exciting fight either.

But I wouldn't call robbery. I was surprised, but I don't think it's a robbery. Anyway. Yeah. All three judges scored if exactly the same. Yeah. If anything, this might be an actual well-judged fight just based on damage to optics of control, if that makes sense. Yeah.

It was close. It was close. Another big story from the UFC card. No more flag ban. There's been a lot of comments about this. Yeah, no more flag ban. And Dana White confirmed during the post-fight presser. No more flagbans.

and if you have a problem with the flag, we have go F ourselves. I love that. That is the most data thing that I've ever seen. That is the silliest way to express what he was trying to express. I know we banned the flag and then we unbanded it. But if you guys have a problem with us doing any of that, your Cisties, it's like, you banned it.

No one asked for it to be banned. You banned the flags. Remember when it was calling for this. What are we talking about? Who are you calling Sissies? Remember when Edmund walked out with that flag? and then a UFC employee got fired for allowing him to walk out with that flag. Yes.

This is the same promotion. Unbelievable. I normally don't really care. I am pretty agnostic to a lot of things Dana says, but I was perplexed by it all. Anyway. Didn't you ask him originally? Yeah.

At UFC, it was UFC London. And I know everyone assumed it was because it was the, it was when Nikita Kralov was like from Ukraine. or from Russian had a Ukrainian flag or vice versa. So then he just banned the flag. And then I go, and then that was a big topic of conversation because they showed the fight lineup. And every fighter had a flag except Krilov.

It was just blank. And then no one walked out with a flag. So I just asked, and Dana was like, you know why. I'm like, I truly don't. I truly don't. Like, I can assume, but I'd rather you tell me, so I don't get suckered into the clickbait narrative thing that keeps getting thrown at everyone.

but whatever. We got that today from Joe from Pfeiffer. Did you not? Yes. Super funny. I didn't say any of those things. You did? It's okay.

Oh, again, because remember when the leech got his... Fine. One more question then, but do you remember when the leech got his flag physically taken away from him in the Octagon? Like there was that fan video of like he had the flag in the U.S. can play ripped it out of his hands? yeah yeah yeah that was really weird all right one other final question because there's been three or four hold on real quick i just i just i just i love it i love this much ufc bans a thing ufc bans a thing it's our fault like it was your idea that they banned the thing like what what what i just don't get it i just don't dana's thing now is this is a place where you can say what you want to say and not have it

held over your head, which obviously, I can guarantee you is not 100% true. Like, there are things that I could say that would get, Dana would get mad about. Anyway, um, final question, because we've had three or four and Sean, the internet is going to blow up. Uh, Dawson has to change his walk-up. What was that? I know exactly what it was. The second I heard the, the guitar wrist, it was the song Hellfire sung by Count Frollo from

the Disney Cinematic Classic hunchback from. Notre Dame. That does not surprise me. I didn't hear it at all. Yeah. You remember when Frollo is singing to all the demons coming out because he's so mesmerized by Esmeralda? There's like a lot of,

there's a lot of like sexual innuendos in it. It's very bizarre. But it was the metal version of it. I feel like you and Grant Doss would get along swimmingly, Jose. I couldn't tell you. I've never interviewed him once in my entire life. He's into like a lot. I think you guys have a good time.

There's an anything but fighting? Well, I need to interview. I've been trying to interview Drew Dober for like a year about Mass Effect because I have so many questions to ask him about Mass Effects, like who he saved in Vermeier. I need to know because that is a very telling thing about a man's character. Anyway, that's probably it. Okay.

Yeah. I did like Daniel Cornet's reaction to that walkout. Yeah. He was pretty good today. He was bad. You know why? Because Paul Felder's pretty good. And Paul Felders is a nice connective tissue.

That's why. And you know who else was there too? John Gooden was there. Nice to hear his voice. Love me, John Gooden. You love me some John Goodden. Yeah, it was good, good tandem tonight. Some John Gooden in Vegas. Ooh, not very often.

Love that. Love that. Did a great job. Guess where the UFC is next week, everybody. Back at the world's most famous Apex, Seneke Yusim, Mirsten-Barboza. Good fight. The Go-Home Show for UFC 294, which goes down in 13 days from right now, everybody. Afternoon MMA, just the way we like it.

Thank you all for watching. It'll be prime time for some of us. Yes, but I'm excited for that. So for Jose, for Shaheen, thanks for watching. I am Mike Heck. Good night, everybody.