MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 81 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Edson Barboza's Gritty Comeback Win

Episode Date: October 15, 2023

Edson Barboza proved that experience matters, as he dug himself out of a deep hole early in the UFC Vegas 81 main event to prevail over Sodiq Yusuff in a five-round war. MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew react to Saturday's event at the UFC APEX in Las Vegas, which includes Barboza's impressive decision win over Yusuff, the scoring of the fight, the lack of 10-8 rounds on the scorecards, and what the loss does to Yusuff's championship prospects at 145 pounds. Additionally, the panel discusses Jonathan Martinez's outstanding performance in finishing Adrian Yanez, Michel Pereira's quick finish of Andre Petroski in his middleweight debut, other impressive outings from the card, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Available now, only from Audible. We're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. It is the Saturday Night Victory Horns, everybody. And they sound for Edson Barbosa and early in that main events inside the world's most famous Apex. A lot of people didn't think that would be the case because Sadiq Yusuf came out like a house on fire. 10-8s Edson Barbosa looked like Edson was close to being out of there.

But the Wiley veteran, the strength of schedule, the veteran experience comes through in a big way. He wins the next four rounds, even nearly finishes Sadiq Yusuf in round three. And just a pretty crazy main event of UFC Vegas 81. And thank you for joining us as we recap this. here. I am Mike Heck and joining me and this might be a historical day for the MMA fighting YouTube channel and podcast

networks. Have we had anybody do two post fight shows in one day? I think I might have done it once, but I don't even know if that's true, Jed Mushu. I'm built different. Built different, Mike Heck. And you know what else is built different? Our

viewership numbers, because I got to tell you, misfits had a lot more people turned into our YouTube. But 167 of you. I see you and I love you. Thank you for being here. I'm excited to talk about this this fight, you know, this event. There were some dope things that happened on this event. The main event being one of them and then some other stuff that were cool. So good to talk about, you know, MMA instead of influence or weirdness. I'm so glad I was on that. I get two victory horns, Mike. I get two victory horns in my life. I mean, did we use the same music for the Misfit show?

Because there shouldn't have been any music leading into that. Tommy Fury won. Tommy Fury got that W unanimous decision, Tom Fury. Yeah, but nobody won. Like, nobody won who watched it. Nobody won who spent the money. If you watched this main event between Edson Barbosa and Sadiq Yusuf, I think you felt like you won something.

And heading into the festivities, Jed, I was like, this misfits card is going to be like super weird and kind of probably not good. and then the UFC card, even though it's not the most stacked lineup of all time, it's almost going to be a card that like we're so glad is on because we need a pallet cleanse, we need to feel better about ourselves. We need a combat sports visual shower after dealing with the misfits card. I kind of feel like this fight card delivered that pallet cleanse like at the perfect time for us, did it not?

It wasn't the best card ever, but we got professional fist fights at least, at least, for that main card, which is when misfits card ended. And I was very happy about that. Well, by the time I was done with the misfits card, we were just getting into Arrugamaya. So, you know, that we could have a little bit better. Was it the best place to start being fully devoted to the next more folks? But look, this fire car was pretty much what I thought it was.

I think coming into it, we didn't honestly even talk about it on BTL, but like other, you You know, when we talked about it on a damn this week, it's like, this fight card isn't great, but there are some fun matchups, some live underdogs, some good things can happen. And we got that. It's a pretty standard issue apex card at this point. Not going to blow your socks off, but if you spent your evening watching this, you're probably not too upset. And I will push back on the, like, we talked about it on the Misfits Post show. It wasn't a bad event. Like, was it worth your money?

I don't know. That's up to you and how interested you are in those things. But it was roughly a good time. The people there at that event seemed to have a wonderful time. But you still had to pay for that. This fight night was free. So or, you know, cost the price of an ESPN Plus subscription. So I think if you left, you know, you had nothing else going on this Saturday night and you watch this.

You're feeling okay about your choices because the main event was very, very good if nothing else. Yeah. I think like top to bottom misfits wasn't bad. Like the Dean the grade fight was probably the best fight of the whole week. weekend. That fight was insane. That was really good. But just we were left with such a bad taste at our mouths at the end because the last two fights were friggin awful. But it was not. I knew that those fights were stupid, but they were at least funny. But the co-main event was undeniable. But funny. The co-main event was quite funny. It was stupid and awful, but it was funny. The main event was terrible. But it was also funny at the end to hear them talk like pitching a little. children was pretty amusing as well yeah kSI's reaction was great but we're not here to talk about that uh we already did it go to the thumbnail next to this one you can see what we talked about in the post show if you're into the misfits well let's talk about real fighting uh real professional

fighting fighting the way it's supposed to be done uh in an empty arena edson barboza so dike usuf this is a very interesting fight at 145 pounds we hadn't seen sodyke usuf in over a year Edson Barbosa, kind of been up and down. He's fought literally the who's who at 155 and 145 over the last nine years. We ran off the list in the people's pre-fight show. It's just ridiculous to even look at it. But Sidic Yusuf, man, comes out and just overwhelms Edson Barboza. Like Edson's trying to get something going.

But Yusuf is landing and it's like cartoon style where every punch he lands, Barbosa's face is swelling. up. A new cut is busted open. He's getting wobbled with every shot, gets dropped. Looks like Yusuf's going to get him out of there. He can't. Barboza gets the final horn. And I don't give Herb Dean a lot of credit, Jed. I don't really give Herb Dean a lot of credit. I've aptly nicknamed him Hokie-Pokey Herb. I think he deserves that nickname. I got to say, I think he did a great job in this fight. He let Barbosa survive in the third round when Barboza almost kicked Sudik Yusuf's head into the third row. He let Sudec Yusuf battle back and stay in the fight. He did a fantastic job.

But in the end, Edson Barbosa, a grizzled vet, gets it done. Your thoughts on Barbosa's performance, especially after how that first round went. I mean, it was just, that's exactly what you hope to see from a guy like Edson Barbosa. That is a classy veteran effort right there because he had the wood put to him in round one. And it was all the ways that he traditionally does. Like Yusuf just got in his grill. and made him meet like it's like here take it and barbosa stayed thing wasn't a huge fan of him like trying to roll on those heel hooks off the bottom just because i thought that actually opened him up to more offense but he ultimately made it out of the round recomposed himself came out in the second

round and turned the tie to the fight um i think they knew that that could happen uh seeikusuf has tended to be a pretty fast starter in his career and certainly hearing him talk about it the end the body work being such a big part of his game plan and i think that paid huge dividends i think that that is if that's what they kind of envisioned they nailed it and it was really really smart from them because after that second round that fight was pretty one-way traffic for it's in barbos i mean yusuf wasn't out of the fight but uh once the body work had time to accumulate and you know they said during the fight that like by the middle around three barbosa landed 40 six strikes to the body or whatever like that's

That is just a brutal thing. And it showed, Yusuf, you know, his corner was out there telling him, hey, stoic face, like pretend this doesn't suck as much as it does.

Try and jab move forward. And Barbosa had kind of taken that away. And I was doing the live blog, and I wrote in the fifth round, maybe it was in the fourth round, one of those two rounds. Barbosa is really running out of ideas. He's run out of ideas and he's run out of safe spaces

because early in the fight he had the clinch. He could get in there and got that takedown. By the middle of the fight, Barboso was winning the clinch exchanges. Yusuf was trying to jab, but it was getting slipped and countered a lot. Like that's just, that is the textbook definition of a veteran performance. Overcoming a bad start and just craft and gile and working your way back into the fight and then taking over down the stretch. So look at the scorecards right now because I had scored it four rounds. Someone on Twitter was like, how could you possibly?

score the fight the way you did because I scored it 48 45 for edson borbosa which still that's the that's the official mima fighting scorecard by the way yeah four rounds to one a 10 8 for each guy that's how it all works out here's what the cards look like all three judges gave four rounds sets in barboza they all game two three four and five two of the judges derrick cleary sal diomado gave sudik us of 108 in the first round good old chris lee I mean what what do you does Yusuf need to hit Edson Barboso with a fucking baseball bat to get a 10-8 round? Like what else does this guy need to do to get a 10-8 round? That was about his textbook of a 10-8 as you can get.

Gives him a 10-9. Round two, I thought Barbosa definitely swung it at the tail end of the second round. He started going to the body. Round three, Jedd. Not one judge gave Edson-Barboza 10-8 after the spinning wheel kick almost knocked. Dana White almost held. Sidique Yusuf's head on his lap. That wheel kick was nasty.

That was so close to getting stopped. And not one judge gave it a 10-8. Are you surprised by this? Not one judge gave him a 10-8-third? I'm really surprised by it. That's just objectively stupid. Honestly, it's not even objectively stupid. It's objectively incorrect.

There is, and I, the longer we have done this, the more we have kind of gotten to this, the more fights I have attended. I do understand that the live experience is very different than the view you get at home. It's substantially worse in most occasions, actually, and I can understand where some rounds look closer or others, and I can understand how a lot of scores are different. There is no view in the house at home on Mars in alternate dimensions in which you could watch that and not, according to the rules say that it has to be a

10-8. Like legitimately, I think that that is one of the most egregious scorecards of the year. And I know that there are other contenders. We had the whole hubbub about the 10-8 in Agrosso Shivchenko. I'm

more willing to acknowledge that than I am. This being a 10-9. Fortunately, it ultimately doesn't matter. The outcome of the fight would not have changed. But it's, I think that there's a pretty good argument that that's the worst scorecard of the year. It's pretty bad. He and Al Shadi, the wise wordsmith himself, tweeted out exactly what my thoughts were when this fight was over.

And we talked about this lot on the preview show. And I think it's important. So I'm going to read this tweet verbatim. Two weeks in a row, the old guard is served up as a stepping stone for a younger contender. Two weeks in a row, the old guard sends that youngster home unhappy, incredible comebacks. tonight by Edson Barboza. That was awesome. So great win for Edson Barboza. I think this is probably the least interesting result for the division because as much as we love Edson Barboza and as much as this is a cool thing to watch him go in there and get a win like this, I don't think we come out

of this being like, wow, you know what? Edson Barbosa can go on a title run right now. I don't think we're going to get that far. Cadik Yusuf, however, if he goes out there and the rules are reversed here and he wins a four rounds to one decision or gets the finish then we could start thinking of more interesting things here what could we do with so d'c can he get back in there his one shot before was on an allen he lost that fight but he bounces back gets a big name gets a main event spot and wins that didn't happen here so edson barbois is probably going to be kind of where he's at just going to fight good dudes trying to make it to that next level but where does sidic us of go now, Jed, for a long time, we've just been waiting for this guy to break out. And now he's

gotten two opportunities against two pretty high-ranked guys, and he's fallen short in both of them. Where does he go from here? Mike, before I answer that, I would like to make my formal Otno suggestion here live on air for your wonderful show tomorrow. It's time, Mike. It's time we do it. Let's just the violence gods need blood. They need blood. They demand and Calvin Cater's got to be close to coming back, right? Like he's got to be in the neighborhood of coming back. Just, just do that. Let's, let's do that for my man, Edson.

I feel like Edson's going to be sitting out for a hot minute after the, dude, he, he may have won the fight, but if he should. I don't know if he will. Like, also, this is who Edson is now. He just kind of takes a beating. And what would be more fun than watching him and Calvin Cater beat the souls out of each other? uh that's the matchup i would like to see that's my i love it on to the next one as to siddique us it's a really tough loss um like he's relatively young he's i think he's 30 maybe he's still 29 um and that's good but he's had a really weird career right like he's was on a two-fight

wind street coming into this but that last one was you know nothing to write home about me it was great win but does anyone care about don chanis as far as like the top of the sport goes Alex Caceres, that wins still aged pretty well, is Caceres keeps kind of staying relevant involving. But, I mean, functionally at this point, he has, Cedic Yusuf has now twice gotten a chance against a sort of higher-end guy and twice fallen short in competitive fights,

but he's going to have to fight backwards. He's going to drop in the U.S.C's rankings. I don't know if he's in R rankings or if he's a FAR. I think I had him like at 15, but he's probably going to lose whatever spot if he has one in our rankings. and he's just going to have to fight backwards. And he said it in his post-fight interview, you know, there's a tough loss,

but I could have done some things different. But I'll come back from this. And I think that a lot of that is true because he did show some stuff. But I got a ton of respect for Edson Barbosa. But if you want to be a guy who's making a real run in this weight class, you can't be losing in this iteration at Edson Barbosa. And again, I love Edson Barbosa. I picked him to win this fight.

I picked him to beat Billy Q. but I think Billy Q is a fun action fighter, fringe top 20-ish guy, and that's kind of where he caps out. And I think that that probably means something similar for Sadiq Yusuf here. Good fighter, but, you know, Giga-Chikaze, Bryce Mitchell, those dudes won this fight and are now, they are dudes in this weight class. And Sadiq Yusuf caught a worse at Simbabrebo. So even more worn and couldn't do it. And I don't know where he goes from here other than to keep picking up. up wins and try and put something together.

But I have a lot of doubts that he's ever going to really make a run towards the top 10 and sort of a highly competitive possible title challenger role in this weight class. Yeah, the stakes are definitely higher for Sidique Yusuf in this fight. No doubt about it. I think it kind of closes the door on title contention for him. Not saying he can't have a long and successful career in the UFC, but featherweight, featherweight is going to be like Danny. He's just going to be like Danny Eaget.

He's going to hang around the top 15-ish. Maybe a little worse than Dan Eagay, though. He still has time to develop. But like, he's never going to get close to a title shot. And I think that that is what this loss was. And that's tough. Yeah. You know.

We do have bonuses. No surprise here. Let's play the guessing game. We'll play the guessing game. There is a fight. Obviously, there's a fight of the night. So we're not going to pick that. I'm going to say it.

We're not going to go ahead and say the main event. the fight of the night. Although I will say the Melissa Dixon Arena Alex Eva fight was really fun. They beat their crap. Try to tell you all about Melissa Diction. Yeah, they got screwed. They didn't get screwed because they don't deserve to win it over Barbosa Yusuf. That fight is better or more interesting. But like they had a hand on that check. They were both

kind of holding it and then it got yoinked right out of there like a cartoon from them. So tough, tough scenes with women. You know, it's unfortunate. If, you know, it's unfortunate. If, Yusuf and Barbosa didn't do it. They just did. I don't think there would have been a fight of the night. I think they would have done the whole four performance bonus thing. But they didn't do that.

I think they would have. Who do you think got performance bonuses? They only gave out two, Jed. I would bet my soul that Michelle Paheta got one. Yes. Okay. I was about to say, please tell me I didn't just lose my soul on a stupid bet,

but I would have been shocked if Michelle Pahedda and his 12 second knockout up a weight class. didn't earn him that uh minutes a minute six um there are a bunch of finishes on this card yeah but terence mckinney also knocked a dude out in like four seconds so i'm assuming he got the other he did not did they give it to i mean if if you're going i know this is a casey stand like casey loves to say this and i like fundamentally agree with it if you're going by performance jonathan martinage deserves a performance bonus but i feel like he would get one did he did get good for them. That is, well, they usually do like epic one shot KOs or whatever, not I'm going to

break this man's leg off. But I mean, he deserves it. That that is arguably the most impressive performance of the evening, even including the main event. Yeah, 100%. Look, I know Terrence of kidding you won in 20 seconds and I have a lot of respect for Brennan Marat, like the guy a lot, fell in New England to respect him. But we knew how this fight was going to go. We knew that Terrence is probably going to finish him in the first round. Terrence, by the time they fought, was probably like a minus 600 favorite. I don't even know if that's true, but no one expected this fight. No one expected Terrence McKinney to lose this fight, nor even struggle, nor even get out of the first round.

And Terrence landed one big knee, gets them out of there. It's the way the fight was supposed to go. But man, what Jonathan Martinez did tonight was incredibly impressive because boarding for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. Oh, what? Sounds like Ojo time. Play Ojo? Great idea. Feel the fun with all the latest slots in live casino games

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I think if she just kind of kept hitting her against the fence, she wins the fight, but she didn't do that. And she lost, maybe she lost the first. round two i don't know weird fight wasn't great good bounce back for arsue but jonathan martinez the silence behind the violence jed meshu this was the fight this is low key bangor central this is the one everybody had their eye on that wasn't a main event or wasn't a circus fight we've jonathan martinez on a five-fight win streak just beat a nirmaga made off in a fight that a lot of people if we go through m mary decisions thought nirmie won martinez fights adrian yanez who's look great in the ufs

C has his first octagon setback against Rob Fon, a man who at one time you believed was the best band I'm waiting in the world. I can't know if I was right or wrong. Now we don't know. Now we don't know. He may have been in that very specific window. Yes. And Jonathan Martinez just beat the brakes off Adrian.

Yes. Those leg cases were so nasty. Wasn't particularly competitive. Yeah. And it was surprising. It really was like I'm not surprised Jonathan. one, but the fact that Adrian mounted like almost no effect of offense in the entirety of that fight is crazy.

Like Adrian obviously landed punches, but Jonathan just. He did like him. Defense looked fantastic too. He's just getting better and better and better. He's scary, man. He, he, he is the guy who opened my eyes the most on this card because like I said coming into this, um, that he's been fine, but hasn't been like wildly impressive to me. you know just because what his wins were cub swanson's well past his prime uh alhandro

peres is like a decent enough win or whatever and say you norma gamedov also um the worst nirmigometov like still a fine fighter but that's you know that it just none of it had shocked me and we talked about a no bet's part i still have the davy grant bad taste in my mouth from that performance but he looked is the best he's ever looked tonight he looked really really really good in there in all facets of it and dude's a legit problem at 135 calls up marab love it not gonna get it but i love it never gonna happen never gonna happen i listen john i actually those a very i thought that there's a pretty i actually there's a really smart call out he's not gonna get it like gotta call it like umar that's not a bad call out that actually probably would

like everyone should call it umar because you might get it because nobody you'll fight that too. So like you might get it by virtue of no one else will take it. The pettiness of the UFC as it comes involves Marab de Wallis really. It'd be kind of hilarious if Marab is just like, I want this title shot of deserve and everybody knows it. And they're like, hey, you're going to fight a three round main card opener at the apex against John. Oh God. That'd be so crazy. But what a just outstanding. The silence behind the violence just getting better you could see he's getting more confident the personality starting to shine he

spoke like 38 words in his post fight interview with michael bisming what a night what a night for tsb tv well done yeah i could i mean i'll watch him fight anybody at this point i'm just looking at the band and way and like he's going to get an opportunity now and i just don't know who it's going to come against but they're all awesome i got a name in mind that's not a bad one I mean, Pedro can defend leg kicks. Yeah. That's not a bad one. Could be.

Maybe that's a note pick number two. He just lost, he'd just be Chris Gutierrez. Jonathan could try to exact a little revenge for his teammate. Lots of leg kickers tonight. Lots of abandon weight leg kickers. So many legs. From the same gym. One thing we talked about, no bet's barred is the middleweight, middleweight division.

I can't believe we didn't do a factory X. parlay like the bannam weight leg kick parley that is such a lot like that's what a bad what fail i that that's all me i'm i'm good with the gimmicks and i just missed it hand up yeah yeah okay i'll give it to you it's definitely on you so me michel perera middleweight michel perera jenn mishu we thought him moving up to 185 well he could still have some of the that chaos that we all fell in love with We felt like he's kind of a tamer version that if he had moved up like two years ago, maybe he would be the undisputed middleweighty middleweighted champion. We thought that that was a very strong possibility here that Michelle Perey at his age

after putting his body through so many way cuts to 170 and just that style just not being as chaotic as it once was, maybe he's the new middleweighty middleweight contender. Nope, not at all. He just ethers Andre Petrosky in 60s. 58 seconds, he should have made this move forever ago. What the hell is he waiting for? Middleweight Michelle Pereira. How excited are you about this, considering how fun this division has gotten this year?

This is what I always wanted for my large adult son. And that's who Michelle Pahed is. Me and A.K. Lee were on the Pereira train for ages and ages because of all his ridiculous, like, regional highlights. And you would just see it pop up. You know, Kaposo would be like, hey, Here's Michelle Paheta in arena fighting challenge or whatever, doing a backflip onto some guy. And it's just like, this guy's insane and it's awesome.

And he gets to the UFC and he does that for a couple of fights and he gases out because he's cutting a billion pounds of weight. And that doesn't work out very well for him. And then he stops and he like reinvents his style and he's no longer bringing the craziness. And it's like, well, now this is just sad. What could have been? But if he can do this at middleweight where he can feel a little bit, more free to to express himself because he's not cutting a billion pounds of weight and he can have a little bit more confidence in his cardio and he can do super violent stuff but also be a little bit

more reserved not get like totally out over his skis that would be that would be the perfect endpoint for him so um i am hopeful that with a terrific start here we'll get to see him try and do like some backflip guard passes on the Naserdine imovs of the world, you know? Just like some of the matchups we could get with him in this division, pretty fun. It's a pretty fun matchups.

Like there's eventually going to be a world we live in where him and Paul Craig fight each other. And I don't know if there's anything I want more in the world than seeing those two guys fight each other. When you say there's a world, that world's now just booked that front. do that but but but paul craig's about to fight for the middleweighty middleweight title in a main event oh who's he fighting out brennan allen november 18th uh you probably can't put peter

against the winner that put him against the loser that fight and hope it's paul craig nah loser the fight fights joe piper joe piper fights the loser that fight that's we're not here for that that's that's fair enough that's just mean to those poor poor souls Christian Rodriguez needs to get the weight stuff under control I really think that the four pounds looked really good

he looked good no the fight was awesome probably did probably made a difference but they look great he cuts those last four pounds it's it might be a it might be a different

Cameron might win that fight but it was super close I thought all three rounds are incredibly close right guy won for sure I have no issue with 3027s great fight good performance christra rodriga's got a lot of skill he saw but he's got to get this weight thing under control he can't miss weight again like these are bad these are big misses

i mean 25% of the person like me i mean look at at the end of the day it doesn't matter because it doesn't come out of his it's 25% of the purse but he's getting that extra purse for the dubs so exactly i mean when you think about it that's just a business transaction for him if he keeps coming in at 140 fighting dudes at 135 that's pretty good that's pretty good for him that's a good deal always cheat always cheat uh Darren Elkins doing Darren Elkinsy things submits tj brown with just the bloodiest face you'll ever see man was a tough day to be a young pup trying to take out an old dude huh yes tynera laszboa gets the win capping off a parley for me which I was very happy about

Terrence McKinney 20 second knockout I told you Mike I told you Terrence McKinney TKO round one I was just like I don't even care with the odds or I ended up getting it plus money it was terrific Yeah I didn't even Like I ended up pulling the trigger I'm just 17 of 21 fights have ended in the first round

I got minus I got him by KO minus 105 so I was at least happy about that And obviously that helped one of my other parlays because under two and a half was about the biggest no-brainer, or under one and a half, it's the biggest no-brainer of all time. I almost cashed Melissa Dixon Arena, Alexiva, under two and a half. I felt so good about that, and I was going to kind of brag about that pick.

And for some reason, like, these women just didn't get finished, even though there are multiple chances for that fight to be stopped. It just didn't happen. But great fight. Those two beat the hell out of each other. I really enjoyed it. Chris Gutierrez, just a workman-like, win against Al-Tang-Haley.

He best, speaking of a liking. Al-Tang-Haley looked like he had like an alien about to come out of his leg. Those are just some nasty leg kicks. Al-Tang-Haly, super tough. And maybe the most, the easiest pick of the entire card in terms of who would win and how. Emily Decodee beats Ashley Yoder by unanimous decision. Dakota gets it done.

13 at 8. Ashley Yoder. Now her record is 8 and 9 as a professional mixed martial artist. So there you go. That's UFC Vegas 81. Yep. Now you know about my girl Melissa Dixon, who I ranked in the UFC in the NBA fighting women's bandamweight rankings like a year and a half ago. And everyone was like, who the hell is that?

And I was like, I don't know if she's six known areas. And she just beat the other woman I had ranked. So we're good. It was great. And also shout out to Spencer Kite, who before that fight. described arena Alexiva as a bag of feral cats, which made me laugh a lot. So, yeah, that's all I got to say on this undercard. Yes, we're going to take some questions.

By the way, if you thought, like in the midst of all of this craziness going on with misfits and stuff, there's another fight that people seem to care about that's about to happen at a little while. I'm watching, first of all, I'm watching this card. This is caged aggression bad blood. I'm watching. Why do we keep putting old dudes in this cage, Mike? Cause I'm watching it too. And this man, I've got to be 57.

He's got to be 57. He is a thousand percent in his 50s about to fight a fit. That's like a 40s. Oh, dude. He look. Like this young dude he is about to fight is quite fit. And this dude is like a softish man with an almost. fully gray beard that I am not exaggerating that beard is almost fully gray ain't like a

silver fox in this it's like he's one step away from golden bachelor like I don't know what the hell is going on if you watch those old Jess for men commercials in like the late 90s he is the before he's the before this guy is the before so maybe he'll go out there and just ice him I don't know but yes Pat Miltich and the young kid freaking Iminari rolls to start the fight. He is 30 years younger than this man, and he just fires off an eminari roll from across the cage that comes nowhere near getting it.

What a hero, this young man is my new favorite fighter. He didn't want to hurt the old man. Tried to Iminari him to roll up onto a leg. And now he immediately takes the back as soon as he starts fighting. Dude, this fight's over. It's got to be over. Flatten him out. He hasn't even thrown a punch.

No, don't punch him. happening this is how what who sanctioned it I have to turn it on I have to Casey do you have the link are you watching this too I'll say you're on mute Casey but yeah this is it's gonna it's about to be over he's attacking a choke but I'm not even kidding this man's beard is almost entirely gray he's tapping out and like look he's looked really fit for a 55 year old guy and like credit to him I hope on that fit when I'm 55, but like, that is legitimately dangerous and probably criminal matchmaking in a reasonable world.

But he defended the I'm in a row, though. He stopped the leg. It's because he didn't actually make contact. He shot it from so far out that the guy just kind of looked at him on the mat. The referee said fight and he slid to the ground. It's it really looks it honestly looked. like it might have been his first time ever trying to him and heart oh my god i'll take all right yes i actually i i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm so oddly intrigued by pat millith that's mike

jackson and i don't know why i don't know that old man might win though so probably will pat pat patty patty might win this fight all right first question from mr joseph boza uh should round one have been a 107 sadiq or is bism being just full of it so i'll let you talk about this jed because i believe your like you're the official m a fighting score was different than the score you submitted it was is that is that that accurate i did that twice tonight um so uh officially we scored that at 108 m a fighting uh mainly because i think that that is um i i largely try to score those how i think the judges are going to mixed in with sort of what i think but i also recognize that i have much more liberal interpretations on some of these rules and so i don't kind of push those out my scoring uh i think

that round should be a 10-7 pretty clearly to me um i you know i was actually pretty pro what is swimming was saying there and that round was a pillar to post ass kicking at no point in that rounded Edson Barbosa produced meaningful offense. He was spent five minutes getting clubbed, nearly got finished on a couple of occasions. And I don't know what the stats were, but it had to have been like 80 to 2 or whatever. Like that's, to me, that fight is about as clear of a 10-7 that can be offered if you believe that 10-7 should exist outside of referee error. Because there are, there's a subset of people that interpret those rules as saying 10-7 should only have to, when the ref screwed up and didn't stop the fight and should have.

And that is a credible way to read the rules, honestly. To me, I think that 10-7s can exist absent referee error. And that to me was a clear 10-7 because, like, I believe Edson Barbosa, on the next stage of this, I gave Edson-Barbosa both officially on our scorecards of 10-8 for round three. I do not believe rounds one and round three were the same level of round. Like to me, round one was clearly a more dominant, more damaging round than round three. And thus should warrant earning more for that. So I think 107 is actually the correct score.

But again, I also recognize that I much more liberal interpretation on some of these scorings. Yeah. For me, I had no issue given it in 107. And basically for me, anything can be a 107 when we're watching the fight. And if the ref would have stopped it, we wouldn't have gone, okay. And I thought the ref would have stopped it that first round. There wouldn't be a big hoopla. Like that was a horrible stoppage.

It would be like, uh, sucks barbos. It couldn't work his way out. And we have a completely different storyline tonight. But, yeah, I know, no, if, if, is it Herb Dean tonight in the main? Yeah. Actually, I thought I did quite well tonight. Herb's been doing pretty pretty good lately. I think, I think he heard some of the criticism.

I think you heard some of the criticism and set this game up a bit. I'm just saying, but, um, improved referee like in the set in the back half of the year he's the most improved referee in my eyes yeah he it's been a while since i can remember him doing something i'm like that's just bad dude like he's really had a good year no no issues uh yeah was there was there was there was there was there a little were fans upset about the whole suggesting it's a 10 7 or no i don't think so you should well it just seemed like dominant cruise was pushing back and then that kind of became that because Bisping and Cruz were having their sort of TIF in there.

I don't even want to harp on the commentators for not having this because they should, but whatever. Like at this point, just get the same way that any other professional sports broadcast has like a former rules official or whatever to loop in and be like, hey, let's talk to you, Pat, about what's the call here on this instant replay? You just bring them in and be like, hey, Bisping and Cruz are talking about that round and should it be a 10-7. Let's loop in. I mean, obviously this won't happen because Big John doesn't work with them.

Like, let's go to Big John in the booth. John. Frank Trig in there. Chris Lieben. Chris Leban, Judge and should be like, Chris, tell us your perspective. Like, do you, you could do this in a better way than they are fumbling through this consistently. Didn't they, then Ratner used to do that for a little bit for the UFC broadcast. And then when they bring out.

Vigely seems familiar. Yeah. Um, all right. But it was, yeah, yeah, I wish. I wish. Okay, cool. That's what I should do, though, 100%. Yeah.

Another Joe's suppose a question. Should Christian, is the rest of the question just terrible? That's that what it is? Oh, we got. Yeah, mix it up a little bit. We'll go through this one, though. Should Christian Rodriguez be more forced to move up to featherweight? Probably.

No. Well, he also blew weight on a contender series, too. Is that what it was? Yep. So his next fight should have to be a feather right. Yeah. Yeah. He's made weight successfully once in the UFC.

Is that right? Yeah. So yeah. The JSP fight he made weight and then got beat. So yeah. Because that was a featherweight fight. Also, yeah. That's actually good point, Mike.

Good point. He made wait for that one. He's made weight for one of these weight classes. Let's go with that one. one moving forward. They actually missed for the Raoul Roses Jr. fight too, which is insane, dude. How do you miss wait for that?

I think anytime you miss wait twice, you get, you should get bumped out of a way class. Josh Williams, he did make way for the Josh Williams fight. He didn't make wait for that. Like yeah, one 30. I'm willing to give you one. Two in a row is best. I'm willing to give you one, particularly if it's under regular circumstances,

you know, like maybe we could make some, we could bend the rules if you're accepting a short notice fight for some reason or another. but if you got this on the book and you miss weight twice you're just no just bump up yeah might do better look at michelle beheada yeah was that was that a forced move up or did he do it or a little of both i would assume that it was uh more forced but could be a little both yeah yeah when he missed wait for a wonder boy i think they probably were just like hey homie we're not doing this i was scratched yeah completely yeah i think that's the problem when they when they when they miss weight and a fight still happens,

then they're like, you talk yourself into it. Yeah. Is that the Barbosa Future Hall of Famer? It's funny because that was mentioned on the broadcast a couple of times that have brought up some like some dialogue in the Slack channels. Look, there is no MMA Hall of Fame.

We're talking UFC Hall of Fame. UFC. Hall of Fame. Is that Sabarboza Hall of Famer? A UFC Hall of Famer. I think he is. I do too. Like third ballot.

Does that make sense? Yeah. So that's the thing is I understand the I like the trepidation against it. I have always been of the opinion that Hall of Fame should be more inclusive as opposed to exclusive. Because like what sort of sanctity are we trying to preserve here? You don't want to let everybody in. But like Ed Simbarossa is a meaningful part of the MMA and UFC experience. He has fought everybody dope.

He is responsible for a number of important highlights. I am a big believer that the U.S. needs to open up their Hall of Fame outside of doing a fight that they induct, but also doing a knockout and a submission that they induct every year. And by that, by that term, the Terry Edom K.O. is one of the 12 best KOs in the history of the sport and absolutely merits inclusion, and thus he would. But in general, like, he's just had a bunch of dope fights. His pair of fights with Paul Felder are dope.

He's going to probably be sort of all over the UFC record books, you know, maybe not at the top, but he'll be sort of in there for post-fight bonuses, which he already is like in there, fights, knockouts, all that stuff. So, yeah, I think he's a Hall of Famer.

It's not an automatic include, but one of these years, you let him in because he was a meaningful part of the experience. And he's had the toughest strength of schedule in the history of the UFC. I honestly believe that he has the hardest strength of schedule of anybody in the history of the sport who wasn't a champion. Because you get champions.

and you know, every champion, every champion fight is always impossible, right? Like, because they're always defending the best guy. And even then after, they're still fighting really top dudes. But for a guy who never held a belt, I do not know that anyone can compete with the list of bodies he has fought. Like, it is insane. And the fact that he's still so freaking durable because like Yusuf was was put in the wood to him. And he still just kind of battled through. And he's still here despite getting his ass kicked for.

13 years by some of the best guys in the world. And becoming equally as durable at a lower weight class when he was already shredded at 55. So, uh, yeah, I, I hope, I hope he's a Hall of Famer. And I was thinking, shouts, shouts to Gino the nose who called Barbosa the Craig Bigeo. Yeah. The Craig Bizzio level Hall of Fame.

I'm like, you know what? Kind of works. I like baseball analogies, baby. Yeah. Baseball analogy is. These kids aggression fights are like starting in. ending so quickly. We've already gone to another fight and we already have a knockout.

I'm shocked given these matchups. Jesus. That Barbosa Edom knockout, is that the oldest highlight clip that we continually see in the UFC rotation? It's tough for me to say because I don't really watch the like highlight intros anymore. I'm just doing stuff. Because every time I see like non-Urebok, non-Venem type of highlights, it always kind of pops now it sticks out and i don't we just we're getting very rare and probably chuckled out like a chuckled out like active fighter like like they're well active fighter yeah active fighter probably

probably almost certainly is because there aren't that many active fighters who have a KO that's what 12 years old 11 sorry i just like we're just like that in general yeah and they run it and they run it like it happened yesterday you know that that's what i mean you know so i just think that's really really interesting Dude, when he did it again, I was losing my mind. I was like, oh my God, he's going to have another wheel kick. He's going to be the first guy with two of them. I thought her was definitely going to stop it.

If he tried to punch him instead of going for the choke. I couldn't believe he did that. I had the barmaid of the enemy fighting. An unnamed member of the enemy fighting team was slacking me and was like, why the hell does he hate me? Why is he going for this trope? Does he know I have this chaos ticket? I can't believe I'm about to lose this. bet it wasn't me it wasn't me wasn't you it wasn't you it was another number i did i did also hold i

was actually holding the same ticket as well but it's very smartly after like halfway through round two i hedged on barboza live live bets are so it all worked out it all worked out um i lost a lot of bets but i emptied the clip on dylan danis logan paul weekend actually happens I literally bet every and look I'm not betting like lots of money here like a unit to me is like two dollars this is like the biggest combat sports bet I ever made I am like whatever dollar amount I had left over just for the year ever bet like there would have been no more watch party bets if that fight got canceled but I went in and put it all all on the fight happens and when that first bell rang and they started walking towards each other I was like I don't care what happens the rest of the

night. It is a profitable night. And if you could have found, if you could have found the DQ bet somewhere, you would have paid off your mortgage. Yeah. I told you. I told you the previous show. I'm like, if I could find a DQ prop. A DQ prop. And I said in the preview show, too.

That's what I would, that's what I would bet on. That was the official conclusion, right? It was DQ, correct? It wasn't the DQ. So anybody who had Logan Paul by decision got boned by Dylan Dannis. Which is which they deserve you get that's what Dennis does. Yep. Come back of the year.

Main event. I mean like I got to be the main event that we're talking about here. Yeah. I'm I am not Jose in my ability just like recall these things off the cuff. So give me a second to fire. We have to be. I know what I forget any big one. Do we have a category for that in our?

We do. We do. We do. But there's, well, you, you wrote it down here. But we didn't add. There's nothing under it. Nothing's been added under it. Under this.

Comeback of the year. If we're talking specifically in fight, it's definitely up there. Yeah, it's up there. I'm trying to just look through main events. Let's see if something is jumping out at me from this year. That was like a super big comeback. Um our listeners and our viewers are very good at this.

Yeah. Olivera being Dariush is kind of was a pretty good. Oh, no, it's not coming back. Well, maybe it depends on your thing, but I, I would argue pretty strongly. Israel Dissina, Alex Pahetta, too, has come back of the year. I thought we talking about like, I mean, with one fight. I thought Perra was, I thought Perra was beating him. Yeah, but first round was like, I mean, there was.

there's an exchange there we're like oh maybe his even might be wobbling a little bit but i don't know it's not as clear but i i i would i would vote that um looking through looking through uh strickland abyss there looking through looking through nothing that looks as domper's It is this and no one's really throwing anything out in the comment section that we're forgetting either. So it might be maybe it is. I'd have to look a lot more because none of the main events are jumping out to me as majors in that regard. I mean, he came back from a 10-7 10-7 from beating. Yeah, I mean, it's a big comeback. Yeah, I'm tentatively willing to give this this at the moment until more research. All right. Great call, Super Dave. Good job. Let's go back to Mr. Boza. Does Pereira have a career resurgence now in middleways? When six in a row, didn't break sweat, need six, six six.

I mean, I think we're a little. I don't know that his careers. I don't know that his career is resurging like you said in this question. He won five in a row before this. He was doing fine. He was a ranked welterway. He was doing fine. I think he's just going to keep doing fine.

I think we might see him fight more now because he doesn't have this massive. of weight cuts. So maybe this is gonna, we just might be more active. How old is it, Michelle Pereur? He's like 30 something, I think. Let me check. He's past 35. He's 30. He's 30. Okay, he's got years. It's. I thought he was he's only 30. Just turn 30 October 6th. According to Wikipedia, you know, how true that is or not. That's pretty stunning. I thought he was way older. I thought he's like, I don't know why I thought he's like 36 or something. I have questions about his long-term viability at middleweight. I think it probably is a better weight class for him, but at this exact moment in time, welterweight is sort of in this weird

flux period where he could have maybe made more hay and moved up the rankings against some older dudes, whereas middleweight has kind of a lot of guys who are on the come-up, and I want to see him, you know, match physicalities with people, right? But like, you know, the heaters at middleweight are coming and i don't know that michel paed has holding up to joe pifer to bow nickel you know to those guys so um i think you're a top 15ish guy dude i have the fight i have the fight i have the fight i'm i'll call crack you you nailed it's not i accept it no we're i'm saying it that that is a fight that is going to happen it's not happening next it's not happening next because i have the right fight and i'll announce it tomorrow i'm excited for a hot no tomorrow then oh yeah he just you guys guys guys

to give it you got to give it to the guy that nobody believed in a year ago except for me Alexander Volkanowski you you friggin walked right into that one walk right into that that's very funny do you have anything more do you have anything else I'm not into doing anything better than that yeah yeah yeah you're talking about john you talked by johnson Martinez yeah we're all high on him I got a couple that dude is a freaking problem man I like I like it I like it um you know what I think we're good gentlemen I think yeah we need to take like another shower I got to take another shower before I also this case's aggression thing has got to be coming to an end soon right we've had like since we start like the post fight shows only been gone on for like 23 minutes maybe we've had like nine fights on this car already I still straight up do not know who that old man was because he doesn't not appear to be in this list of fights from this event. We're fighting later tonight again. Another fight's happening.

When is this main event going to start? I feel like I'm going to be up to like, I thought it was like 11. I think it's like 11 central. So yeah, we could I could have. Wait a second. Wait a second. That kind of looks like who you were. This is impossible. I don't know what the hell's going on. Great time, guys. What a night of combat sports.

What a day. And it's not over yet. Caged aggression. Go to your paper. He's fighting right now to spend $50. It's Josh. We're getting Josh Clark versus Bryn Heathcock. So this is the fight right before the co-main event per topology.

And then we're getting Jordan Clark. Another Clark back-to-back Clarks could be a gimmick parlay. Isn't Matt Hughes's son supposed to be fight on this card? Brandon Mills. He's in the co-main event. I did not realize Matt Hughes's son was not named Hughes. Okay, that's why I was struggling there. Got it.

Yep. All right. So we're almost there, everybody. We're almost there, buddy. I believe it's like $47 for this paper. What? Sticktm. That's what I was told.

Sixth, M. Fight, No,com. We'll let you know what happens. We have a live blog and to recap. I think you'll be covered with those. Please save you. Okay. Okay.

I'll see you tomorrow. Okay. And on to the next one. Thank you. Very soon. Good night, everybody. Love y'all!