MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 92 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Lerone Murphy's Lopsided Win Over Edson Barboza

Episode Date: May 19, 2024

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Lorone Murphy wants to be called the Iceman now as he defeats Edson Barbosa, just a lopsided, one-sided performance from Lorone Murphy. And he picks up the biggest win of his career against the longtime veteran Edson Barbosa as you welcome you to the UFC Vegas 92 post-fight show here at MFAFling.com. We're back, everybody. I am Mike Eck. New York Rick back once again. Man, I feel like I literally just talked to you, 25. minutes ago. It's been so long, Mike. I haven't seen your face. I'm so happy to see it, though. Yes. I was like, how am I going to look different? So I just turn the hat backwards. That's

literally the only change I have made here. Nice move. Yes. Look, there's not a lot of pomp and circumstance and pageantry when you're in the world's most famous apex and you're like an hour and 15 minutes removed from discussing Alexander Usick beating Tyson Fury in one of the best heavyweight fights ever in the boxing world. But Lorone Murphy did the damn thing tonight, New York, Rick. He beat the hell out of Edson Barbosa. There was a wicked scary moment in the first round,

and I'm sure we're going to talk about it for Lorone Murphy, but man, he showed up. A lot of people thought Edson Barbosa was the darling dog this week. And Lorone Murphy was like, nope, not today. What did you make if his brosier? performance night. Impressive. Um, you know, I, I will say admittedly, like, I'm getting a little worried about how many beatings like Edz and Barbosa's been taking, like even against Sidic Yusuf, where he was able to pull that out and look great for the final four rounds.

Like he took a halacious ass whipping in, in the first round. And it's just starting to pile up. Like there's becoming more and more of the times that I'm looking at Edz and Barbosa with his face battered. That said, Edz and Barbosa is still a tough out and still can a lot of problems for a lot of people in the division. And so Lorone Murphy pretty much cruising to me was impressive. Like he mixed the martial arts extremely well. His grappling and striking were both on point giving Edson Barbosa really different looks and winning the striking exchanges against the guy who is one of the higher level

strikers that we've seen. So impressive. Like time to be ranked and time to start talking about him as somebody who's going to face some really difficult competition now and has a potential championship road ahead of them. So I was impressed. I was impressed. Lorone looked great. For those wondering what the statistics look like, Lorone Murphy outlands Edson Barbosa in the significant strike totals,

220 to 79 and to New York, Rick's Point, 172 of those significant strikes to the head. that's a lot man that is a lot those are really starting to add up yeah barboza's barboza's getting up there and it's just like if you're not going to make a real run like what what's left and i don't know if it's fighting the lorone murfys of the world anymore like i'd almost rather see barboza in some like fun scraps that aren't necessarily against guys who we think can really be future prospects or prospects that can be a future contender so um not my ideal situation but at the same time, this is kind of the MMA ecosystem, right? We need a win over Barbosa for Lorone Murphy to say, hey, I'm legit. You need to take me seriously. So I get it. Business was basically business was done here

tonight and the Jerome Murphy is ready to take the next step and look like a guy ready to take the next step. Yeah, Casey has a really good suggestion for Edson Barbosa next. And I kind of like it. And we'll, discuss that in a little bit when he comes on. But first round got a little weird New York, Rick. Lorone was looking super good. He's just kind of busting up, Edson Barbosa. That jab, it seemed like he had a 97-inch reach. The way he was landing that jab was super impressive, watching him work.

And he's got Barbosa on his back, rounds about to end. And then Edson Barbosa lands one of the most hellacious up kicks you will ever see. And I got to tell you, New York, I thought he knocked him out. I thought when the round ended and the referee was trying to get Barbosa's legs untangled and Murphy was trying to stand. I thought he knocked him out. I thought I was like, oh my God, he just knocked him up by up kick. But then Murphy sort of wandered back to his corner.

How close did you think that was? Did you have the same reaction? Because a lot of people kind of missed the upkick as well. No, I thought it was dire circumstances. I thought he was on, on, I thought he was out of it, right? I was about to say something that I don't want to say. I thought he was out of it. And I thought,

It was interesting in the post-fight that Lorone Murphy said that he didn't know what hit him, which is unsurprising, right? You're not expecting in that position to be hit by upkick. They're very low percentage kind of opportunities. We very rarely see them land effectively. But that one was flush, and he did not see it coming. And so that's danger. That's a really bad spot to be in. So I was like you thinking, okay, this could have shifted the momentum of the fight, but then as soon as round two started, Murphy was right back to dominating it again.

Yeah, it was just a great performance. And now, I mean, he had his post-fight interview. It's good stuff. Just Edson's a legend. I don't know what hit me. Want to fight in Manchester. But no callout after a win over Edson Barbosa. And I know you and I look at the call-outs a little bit different.

Edson Barbosa didn't call it Max. I mean, Lorimer didn't call it Max Holloway. So he didn't pull a Joaquin Buckley. So I respect that and much appreciate that. but was it a miss that he didn't call somebody out or do you feel like the performance was good enough there's a locational thing a la buckley that he has the opportunity to get on a card that he just wants to be on is this okay that he didn't call anybody out i guess is what i'm trying yeah that's where i fall is i think manchester is the call out right i think if you're just voicing hey if there's an opportunity

put me on that card and i'll essentially take on anybody i think that's probably the that's probably the route that's probably the win just expressing your interest in that We'll see, like, to the point that I said he dominated, his face was pretty busted up as well. Like, you go through a fight with Edz and Barbosa. Like, he's, he's still an effective striker and somebody who can do a lot of damage. And I'm sure his legs aren't feeling too great. So we'll see if he can make it to Manchester. That's quite a quick turnaround for somebody who's just been in a five-round fight with Edz and Barbosa.

But if he can, I think that's the right spot, right? Like, you have to imagine that if he was in Manchester, he'd get a hero's welcome. So if he can make it, if he can heal up and rest up and the commission doesn't suspend him too long, although I don't know if the UK acknowledges the U.S. ones, I would imagine that they try to put him on it if he's healthy enough. Any fight stand out to you for Lauren Murphy? Oh, as an opponent? Yeah. No, I don't.

I mean, let me look at the rankings real quick, because I assume that he's now going to be ranked. So let's see. What about you? What are you thinking? I mean, my first thought is Calvin Cater. That's interesting. I don't know if that's like too soon. I don't know if that's like too soon for Cater to turn around.

I mean, Manchester's coming up, man. Yeah, you're going to have to turn around quick. Barbosa was 12 in the UFC rankings. Cater's 10. Giga's booked for that card, right?

Or gigas booked for something. Am I? He's fighting Arnold Allen on that card. Yeah. So that's how. Yeah, it seems like the. That's fun.

Emmett's kind of the one that's floating out there that might not necessarily. Obviously, I mean, what is our Evelov maybe? I don't know. I don't know what we do. That's a little high. I mean, yeah, it's tough. I think this is one of those that if you're going to put them on Manchester, it probably won't be somebody ranked.

I think you would probably have to forego the opportunity and go against somebody to get on the Manchester card. Or you say, hey, I'm really banged up. I'm going to wait a little bit. I'll do it smart for my career. I'll take a ranked opponent and just, you know, we'll forego Manchester. Get to enjoy it, sit as a fan, and then get a ranked opponent in the next one. If he's healthy, I imagine he'll probably take the Manchester opportunity, but we'll see. But there's not a lot of ranked names that really could jump in there that quick.

I dig, man, him and like Nate Landware in Manchester would be friggin awesome. That'd be fun. You know Nate will take that fight. It would be the best. And Nate would definitely go into enemy. territory and get the crowd riled up, so I'm into it. Yeah. We have bonuses, gentlemen.

We have bonuses. Anybody want to take a guess? Yeah, I'll take a stab at it. Chaos Williams for sure, right? Come on. Yes. Okay. Did Janias get it?

No, he did not. I'm not surprised. It's like a 50-50 on that one because it was a TKO as opposed to a cold one. Maybe Angela Hill. Did she get one for the sub? Casey get the horns ready she did Angela Hill

yeah congratulations to Angela for that that's great first saw I love that first submission winner that's so freaking crazy and then the main event was the fight of the night

oh interesting okay I feel like they probably could have given performances like was that like that great a back and forth kind of fight all right whatever I'm not too bad about it But it does feel weird. A ton of finishes.

Like, Adrian got one. Tom Nolan had a pretty nice one. Nolan, especially because he was rocked and then he turns it around. Like, I feel like that. And Janyes would have been worthy of it. That's a little bit weird. I mean, look, it's hard to get, like, super upset about any of it. Yeah.

So that's fine. That'll do. Yeah, we had a little, this is just like a weird card because I'm trying to, like, I have the TV on. I'm watching, obviously, Furious, it gets the TV treatment. And then on the laptop, I'm watching the UFC card. So, like, in between rounds, I'm kind of peeking over. And it seemed like every time I peeked over, things I didn't expect to happen, happened.

Like a disqualification for an intentional headbutt, multiple intentional headbutts, by the way. A boost maga Madoff, now a wrestler and a grappler and a grinder. I was not ready for that. And then I looked over again and Melissa Gatto lands a punch to the chest that ends up being a TKO. It was just a super weird card

New York Rick in a lot of respects. I don't think any of us expected to go back and rewatch this one, but because of the weirdness, there is a part of me that kind of wants to go back and rewatch the prelims because of all the craziness that happened. Yeah, Angela Hill is out here pulling off submissions. Like it was the day

of the wacky outcome. here at UFC Vegas 92. But yeah, it did have a little bit of a like stilted kind of feeling in the beginning or stunted maybe is the word I'm looking for feeling in the beginning. And then once the main car got rolling, like it kind of picked up and went relatively fast. There were a few finishes there. And the main event had some intrigue, even though it wasn't necessarily like a war.

Murphy was impressive and it was pretty good. So not bad. Yeah, we're going to know the peeps in the second. Chaos Williams knocks out Carson Harrison Harris in 90 seconds. Didn't expect Carlson Harris to go out there and just kind of brawl with Chaos Williams, but respect, I guess. That's not the path to victory against Chaos Williams because that dude hits like a goddamn truck. Like that is the exact opposite of what you want to do against that guy. But if you do it, it's going to be good for us. We're going to get to see a knockout.

So congratulations on that one for chaos. And boy did we. And boy did we need it after watching Temba Garimbo. beat Ramiz Rahmage and yeah boy just kind of an all-time stinker uh but to grimbo's credit he sort of admitted as such apologize to people for a pretty awful fight and that it was uh Adrian yana is back in the wind calm looked real good against finitia Salvador did what we're supposed to do mentioned Angela Hill just coming out here finishing people finishes Luana piniero I think she's going to be a top 10 fighter now at 115 pounds at 39 years of age good for her

Tom Nolan looked a little dicey early on, but comes back and lands a big knee, gets a big finish. He is a gigantic lightweight. Omar Sae gets a quick win over Tuko Tokos, a fellow in a battle of newcomers. We talked about Melissa Gatu. Abus Magamadoff.

Back in the wind column, Ariana County, or Lucy wins a DQ. Right call, right? I mean, there were people on Twitter that were trying to argue with me that... Oh, no. Come on.

Stop being a Nancy. It's a fight. Are you shitting me? Come on. No, get entirely the F out of here with that. Like, very intentional headbutt. If not, like, there's no, there's, if that is not a DQ, there is no circumstance where a DQ even exists if that is not a DQ. That is, that is textbook definition of a DQ.

Doing a move that, first of all, do one, get warned for it and then do it again with the exact same intensity and trying to escape by on it. Like, come on. Like easiest call ever, very understandable DQ. Yeah. And this notion that Ariana Carlosi quit, she gave up all the stuff. Like, get that f out of here, dude. Like, just get that out of here. I mean, people can, people can like litigate the idea of like, oh, somebody milked it or look for a way out or whatever.

Like, that's fine. You can do that. I don't tend to like traffic in that. And I'll leave that to you. But the, should it be a DQ or not? is objectively not a debate. That part of it, I am extremely comfortable with, regardless of what her reaction to it was.

If they did not call that a DQ, this would be a much different post-fight show. I can tell you that right now. Al-Tang Hailee gets win, and Vanessa Demopoulos just keeps finding ways to get two of the three judges to score a fight for her, as she did to get this. I didn't think she won this fight,

but I get to say, as someone who saw an opportunity to place a wager on a fight tonight. This is the only bet I made on the entirety of the weekend was Vanessa DeMoplas a plus 300, and I hit it. Wow. Thank you, Vanupleas, even though I totally didn't think she won that fight. Yeah, it seemed like popular opinion was that Dakota won that fight, but shout out to you. Congratulations.

Yeah. I just felt like the line was a little too wide, so take a little straver. Casey, come on in. Boarding for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. Ugh, what? Sounds like Ojo time. Play Ojo? Great idea. Feel the fun with all the latest slots in live casino games and with no wagering requirements.

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But first, there, the last one. Enjoy a Coca-Cola for a pause that refreshes. Come on in. Hi. Tell the people what you suggested for, Edson Barboza's next night. Edson Barbosa, who has now 30 UFC walks.

for his next fight. Holy shh. Is that for real? Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. 30 U.S. Not a lot of featherweight.

Obviously, split between lightweight and featherweight. But now he will fight other 30-fight U.S.C. veteran Alex Kaceres. Hmm. I like that a lot. Wow. Alex Kaceres has 32.

Oh, my God. This is crazy stuff. And they're both kind of, but more, but even more than that, because for the pre-fight, I think, for the last week card. I was talking about Casaris being kind of this gatekeeper.

You have to be Casares to be kind of considered a top 15 guy. And then earlier we kind of talked about Barbosa being kind of a gatekeeper to be a kind of a top 10 guy, top 15, top 10. So they're actually kind of in the same place. And if you look at their featherweight, kind of how they're done a featherweight. I mean, Barbosa got whipped up by Giga. Alex Casares fought a competitive decision loss against Giga. I mean, like, I don't know. I think it's, Barbosa, he's not in the title run anymore.

Now it's just let's put him in fights that are interested. If he wants to continue fighting, the UFC wants to continue paying him. I think this is kind of the fights we do for Barbosa. And, you know, I just think it's a fun fight. It's a fight. I was like, oh, I never thought about it, but it kind of makes sense. So I don't know. I don't know what it was next for Barboza, because I think a lot depends on what he wants.

But if he is going to continue to fight, yeah, I like that fight a lot. I like that fight too. I'm totally down for it. I wouldn't mind Barbosa just being a lightweight. Like I'm also like kind of okay with the idea of just like, why, you know, why continue to like he's a big dude,

got a big frame. Like I could see him moving up a little bit and just having, um, fights where he doesn't have to cut as much. At the same time, totally down. That would be a super fun fight. And also it's,

it's not going to be a main event, right? So we're looking at a three round fight, which is great. Like that's perfect. That's exactly the lane he should be in. So I'm, I'm totally down for that fight.

I wouldn't mind if he goes up either. Yeah. Actually, I kind of would like him to go up. But if he's happy at 45, do it. And also on that same note, someone mentioned here, too, we're talking about opponent to Lauren Murphy. Why not give him Sean Woodson? Maybe someone who's right outside top 15.

Oh, that's not bad. I mean, he's right there unless he's injured, is right there. It could be an exciting stand-up fight. Because, you know, we said it's kind of hard for him to get a ranked fighter. It gets them on the card. I don't know. That's one of those that both guys are kind of angling for a ranking. Why not?

Like, you know, winner of this. kind of makes that jump. I'm down for that if, if Woodson wants to turn around and go to enemy territory in Manchester, down. He should. He just fought in his home and his hometown.

Yeah, that's right. Good call. All right. Let's see what questions we got here. Of course, Super Chatter's up the line, so feel free. Talk of you, Achilles, Jr., your best friends here, so.

Vanessaopolis, Angie Hill, did the damn thing today, too. I don't think Vanessa. I mean, Vanessa won. but like do we look at her and say that she did the damn thing what you think about angela what do you think about angela's call out angela did the damn thing she did the dude yeah she did it you like that because i don't think not too many people call out and drudge and with the storyline and you know angela hill winning this fine looking

looking the best i think she's ever looked in her career you like that i didn't hear i didn't know she called out on drudge until you just told me had no clue oh yeah she was and because because I think they were like one of the first or so fights one of the first or so strawweight fights in the UFC after Tough Yeah

and that fight and that fight got fight of the night I think that was the first female Maybe fight of the night Maybe I could be wrong But it did get fight of the night Maybe the first strawweight fight at night Maybe that's what it was

So and there was a I don't know if it was at UFC Houston for a fight night I think Korean zombie versus Who was it? Dennis Bermudis. But yeah, that'd be cool. I think it's a good fight.

And she wants it. And not too many people want to fight on Drag. So yeah. That is accurate. Not many people call out Jessica Androge. So I'm down. If she wants that smoke, let's get it. I love that.

Yeah. That's an apex main event, too, if there ever was a lot. Ooh. I like that. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. That is an event.

I hate the apex. I would love to see Angela fight from a big crowd to see Androch trying to big crowd. But if they are going to have apex events, which they are, that is. is a great main event. This is true. Super chat from our good friend, Terrence Leverett. Yeah, shout out Terrence. If damage is won for scoring, how did Demopolis?

I guess Demopolis. I mean, because I just didn't think she won. I just think she won. I mean, I don't think it's like a robbery or anything, but I didn't come out of that fight thinking she won. I was like, you know, I'm not, I'm not mad. that I placed the bet because like I feel like Demo fought for my money as a plus 300 underdog, but I didn't come out of there feeling confident that you won.

And I like, I wasn't just like, oh, she definitely was the most damaging fighter. Just a close fight. I thought Dakota landed more. And these are just the kinds of fights that happen at 115 when you're outside the top 15. So, yeah, I don't think there was, I think, I think, I think, I think Demopolis just, she swings, very hard, but she doesn't land all that much. She's like her, the aesthetics behind what she does offensively just looks better,

but she's not like actually as effective as it looks, if that makes sense. Yeah, she's super busy, but effective is the right thing, right? Like, she's not effective all the time, but she is very busy and visually, like, it looks good. Now, again, like, I feel like MMA has come a long way from the days of like the person on the front foot is winning.

and just being busy with like throwing stuff out there wins fights. So I'm not going to like, you know, say that the judges were swayed by that necessarily. But it is, I do feel like Dakota was doing like the more effective striking. So this is not like some crazy terrible decision. I could see a world where, you know, if you're somebody who thought Demopoulos won that you're saying like, yeah, she clearly won. She did the damage. But I'm okay. Like we'll move on from this one and everything will be fine.

It was fine. Let's see what M-A decisions had to say. Curious. Yeah, it's okay. Two people scored it for Demopoulos. One, two, three, four, five, six. Six scored at 29, 28 to Cody. Six others scored at 3027 to Cody.

So 12 out of the 14. Where did the fans give it? The fan scoring and the low. Where is fan scoring? Yeah, you get. Oh, I have to submit my own card. No, no, just click, click results. I'll show results.

76.6% for Dakota, 23.4% for DeMopoulos. So. Yeah, just, yeah. I guess Demopoulos, her style of fighting is, the judges like it. She's won a few of them, man. She's won a few of them.

Yeah. Oh, cool. Not sure what this means. Maybe what am I missing. Thoughts on debate. Maybe. Unless I'm mistaken, that's a musical artist, right? Did he do something?

Yeah. Is that the rapper at Fury Usik? Oh, was he? Oh, I didn't even know who it was. Okay. Was he? Oh, yes. I don't know.

I know the way he was a rapper, but that wasn't. I don't know who that is. Music's not my expertise or my forte. So that would be. Not new music. Certainly not new music. So, yeah, if someone can explain in the comments what that one means, but the gentleman paid $2.99 for it.

So. Debebebe is a rapper. Or is he just asking for a general thoughts on DeBaby? Because I don't have any unfortunately. So is that him rapping? No, it wasn't. It was not. It was definitely not.

I don't know. I don't know who that was. The baby's got some songs. He was on SNL a few years back. He's got some questionable. He said some questionable things. But as far as his musical talents, you know, he's whatever. I feel bad.

I feel bad that that was a super chat because I got nothing. I got nothing for you. Just tell us who it is and we'll go back. And what about the baby? Did he? You don't even have to super chat. Just tell us. All right.

So, TV. People super chatting some. All right, well, super chat. Here we go. Who's the least fun fighter? Leon or Belal? I think Leon. That's not fair.

That's not fair. On the card that is like the most opposite of UFC 304, we get this question. Like, Balal just always gets astray on every post-fight show no matter what. Well, no, this guy's given a stray to Leon, actually. He's elevating Balal above Leon here. Leon is the least fun. I don't think either guys really that boring. Like, I don't think either of those guys are what I would fall into the category of boring.

Certainly, like, look, don't get me wrong. This is not, like, the highest heat, like, most, like, guaranteed knockout type fight. But both of those guys are pretty capable strikers. Mixed grappling and striking well. Like, Balals look really damn good lately. Like, a finish of Sean Brady is nothing to, you know, sneeze at. How Leon's looked in the fights against Kamar. or like, I'm, I don't think these guys are that boring.

Look, they go to decisions, but like, I don't think they're like boring decisions. They're not just laying and praying. Like, they're standing and striking with people. I'm okay with both of these guys. I like their styles. You know, also, being fun doesn't win you championships. Mike Perry was a fun Walter Waite. He wasn't a championship caliber mixed martial artist.

I mean, yeah, fun. What does it mean? Fun doesn't win championships. You got to win fights, so whatever. But they're not that bad. And they're not that bad. It's just over. And I'd point to and be like, yeah.

They go to decision. They go to decision. They definitely go to decision. But like they're standing and they're fighting. And they're fighting the best fighters in the world. Yeah. Just, you know, yeah, throw them on the regional circuit. Yeah, you know, yeah, they'll knock out some fools.

But give them a break. They're not, they're not Mo Usman out there. Yeah. They're not Carl Williams. Like, it's not that. They're fine. They're fine. Leah, like, if you're on the Bob O'Reilly video for one of the greatest moments in the history of the sport, you cannot be a part of this question.

I'm sorry. That's fair. I think that's a fair criteria. There you go. There you go. I mean, arguably, Leon Lever is arguably part of the craziest moment in the history of the sport. I don't know, like, I'm not ready to plant my flag there, but if you want to tell me that Leon head kicking Camaro on the brink of defeat in round five with a minute left, is the craziest moment in the history of the sport i'll listen to you i'll certainly listen to you

was that well hasn't had that moment yet but yeah was that in the last minute at the fight or last like was it was almost the last minute of the fight yeah yeah yeah yeah i remember the story kind of everyone like everyone had their their tweets everyone had like half their articles already written because you know the fight was already over like okay i was done i need to press wait for that bell to ring just press publish nope but yeah Kamara Usman dominates Leon Edwards in rematch whoops

yep yeah and it was crazy because Leon had like a great first round in that fight and we're like oh shit like this might happen and then Kamar just did Kamaru things for the next what 18 minutes and four seconds and then yeah Usman with 56 seconds left in the fight Leon knocked Usman out

What's going on with Kamara right now? He doesn't have a fight booked, right? Like, nothing even on the table. He's doing his podcast with Henry. That's the new retirement plan. Can't do it. No, no, I'm definitely not doing that. Camaro, I think, I think Kamarro, I honestly think Kamar is great in those roles.

I would put him on the desk. I would make him a color commentator in the UFC like the moment he retires, but I just can't do it too. Oh, man. Here's the, here's, here's the question that might satisfy Fahim here. Would you rather listen to Kamaru and Henry or Leon and Malau do a podcast? Which one? Oh, my God.

Say it again. Camaro and Henry or Leon and Balal do a podcast. Oh, I'll go Leon Belaw. I'll definitely go. Yeah, all right. There you go. Oh, 100%. Yeah.

Not a minute. question. Not any question. Yeah. Because I know, I know both those, both those Liam Blal are both very interesting, full-rounded people. It's just sometimes when the mic gets in front of them, no, they kind of, you know, I don't know, just say what they feel they're supposed to say rather than just kind of have fun of it.

And, yeah, that's about it. Jeez, poor Camaro and Henry. Yeah. It's not even Camaro. It's Henry. It's Henry. It's Henry. It's Henry.

Man, we are getting no question. questions about this card but um i mean graham i don't care yeah yeah we knew we knew this would happen yeah uh i'm bummed out about round tree facing suspension yes uh let me pull it up real quick just so we have a complete context on the situation you i'm sorry did you need me ian his uh fiancees i think she i don't know she added some more to it to basically the with the supplement supplier basically taken the blame i think it could be wrong. Well, he says in the statement, and I'm sure Mike will get to this, but he says in the statement that as soon as he was notified by the supplier that this thing had happened, he forwarded that to the parties involved.

But Mike's got it, I'm sure. Yeah. Claylorantree sends this out two hours ago. Got it delivered the news to you all, but I will not be finding it at UFC 303 to consuming a ban substance. I did not do this intentionally doing everything I can to get this situation to take care of. I was using a personalized tailored supplement service. from a company that I trusted who understood my limitations and what I can and cannot take. They accidentally set a blended supplement to me that contained banned substance called DHEA,

which is prohibited at all times under the UFC anti-doping policy. Only after I consumed it was its ingredients brought to my attention. I immediately contacted Jeff DeVitsky and Donna Marcolini, who's the UFC Vice President of Anti-Doping Compliance. Upon receiving that information to inform them of this matter, provided them with all the information to show this is not a matter of cheating or to enhance performance although DHEA is a non-performance enhancing. It is a banned substance, therefore I am under temporary suspension.

My sincere apologies to you, to all, and to Jamal for this unfortunate series of events. It's a huge loss and an even bigger lesson. So, yeah, clearly, aren't you not fighting Jamal, the UFC 303 anymore? So maybe the UFC is going to put a full court press on because Ian Gary had called out MVP or at least said that he accepted a fight with MVP.

Ian had said that MVP's team was basically saying this might not be enough time to cut the weight and make 170 in order to compete on that. MVP comes out yesterday on somebody's podcast and says, no, I said yes. I don't care if it's today, tomorrow, the next week. I will fight that, man. So maybe the UFC will put on a little full,

court press to try to get that fight together. Maybe that'll be the co-main of Ennibu of C303 if they could pull it off, but it doesn't look like Roundtree and Jamal Hill will be happening. And I don't know if Jamal Hill is going to fight it all on that card. Who knows? Yeah. And I mean, as far as Khalil goes, if the information that he has released is true, like unfortunate circumstance, because it sounds like it was an error by the manufacturer of

the supplements that he trusted to do that, but certainly like he's taking responsibility for it. So we'll see what that suspension ultimately ends up being, right? Temporary doesn't have a term. So we'll have to find out kind of how long that puts them on the shelf potentially under this new era of doping regulation by the UFC. So we'll see what happens from here. But it sounds like he was forthright with everybody that he needed to be based on what he's saying. And so we'll see what happens from here.

So I don't know whether to be like super bummed. Certainly I would have liked to see Jamal Hill versus Kalil Roundtree, but maybe we'll still see that. Like maybe that gets booked for a month later, depending on. on how long the suspension potentially is. Yeah. Yeah. And I get like three months at the most. Yeah. I'm hoping. I'm hoping.

At this point, I believe, I believe that guys who have been in the sport for this long, when you do pop for things like that, more than not, it's really just because oops, rather than, aha, I was trying to get away of something. That's why I feel. I'm being positive about it, I guess. And man, that just sucks around. Talk about a big, big, big opportunity. Big opportunity.

And, yeah, I'm hoping it's pretty much. Hoping it gets delayed maybe a couple months. Yeah, that's about it. The important thing that he said at the very end is it's a disappointing thing, but it's also a lesson. It's a lesson. Like consuming anything, no matter how curated, no matter by who, is always going to put you at risk. So you need to be responsible for your own supplements and you need to be responsible for your own thing. Like they are taking they are the he says or at least kind of like hints at the fact that they're taking the blame for it or taking responsibility for it and saying like we sent him this and here's the proof of that.

But that doesn't get you the fight back. Right. So there's a there's a lesson to be learned there. So unfortunate circumstance if it is exactly how he has described it. But hopefully he'll be back sooner rather than later. And hopefully it can be against Jamal Hill as well. All right. I got a super chat from good friend, Tans Leverette.

Yeah. Carnal Lussi did milk that injury because she was already herper Rodriguez being violent. Cosset. Neglectful, right? Yeah, so I would have done it to two paychecks. I mean, we don't know. We don't know.

It seemed like she was hurt. Even if she did. Even if she did. Yeah, doesn't matter. I don't care. I don't care. She could milk it as much as she wants. She got headbutted twice and that's a DQ.

I don't care. Even if she popped right back up, I'd be okay if the referee was like, yo, what are you doing? Two illegal headbucks, you're DQed on the spot. Like I don't think we need to wait for her to recover. It's we have to wait for her to recover from the perspective that we have to see if this fight can continue. Maybe there's points taken away as opposed to a disqualification. But I would be okay if the ref on the spot, DQed. Whether she milked or not, again,

And I said, like, I don't, I don't care to have that type of specific debate, but DQ regardless. Yeah. Aaron's bringing hot takes today. He's been listening to Jed. Yeah. Yeah, I watched the, I didn't see this live, but I did watch the replay. And I'm kind of in the middle. But if, if Caron Losey says she can't fight, then that's a DQ.

It doesn't matter what it is. I think if, obviously, it was a point deduction. I think Rodriguez was more just, I like to think of it as more just reckless with her head because I think, like, Rick, you talked about, but like, you know, if you're in a grappling situation, you can put your foot on someone's face, but you can't kick their face and say if they're downed. And that's essentially what Rodriguez is. I know she was trying to do, use that kind of head position, which is we're taught

in all grappling is head positions, everything, but you have to control your head. and you are at a level where you should have much more control of your body. So, unfortunate, but that's about it. Yeah. And I don't think this is going to hurt Rodriguez in her, in her UFC career.

Like it's not one that was like, she didn't bite her. It's not biting. Yeah, you're not automatically. Like, you're done. You're done.

I think it's just one of those things. And you move on and sucks for her. And Carnotty gets two checks. I think we kind of forget about it in a couple weeks. You can totally have head position. You have to place your head and then move it. And also she could have struck with her shoulder, right? She's using her head.

And it was two. Yeah. The fact that it was like, you messed up two times in a row. Like one time I get, you know, I don't know, you just, you're tired. I don't know. But two times. If the referee thought it was unintentional and that she was milking it, it could have been in no contest. But the referee decided it was a disqualification because it was intentional.

And so I've got no, I've got no issue. I almost don't, I literally don't care what happened after the. headbutts. Like, I don't care about how long she took to recover any of that stuff. Like, after the headbutts, I was good with DQ. Who's the one that cheats in, like, every single fight and is still in the UFC? Priscilla Cachewara.

Oh, yeah. She still has, like, she's following, she went from, I got, she tried to rip out, like, the eyeballs of Jillian Robertson in a fight. Then she tried to, like, pull somebody's, like, top down in a fight while she was in a bad position. The thing with Casuala, though, is she's usually losing. Right. She's usually losing and trying to cheat, whereas, like, she was winning and headbutted her.

So it's a little, it was like a different thing. Yeah. And I'm not saying Pierre is trying to cheat. I'm just saying to go to Casey's point in two weeks, nobody's going to remember this. The next time Pierrotter fights, like, it's not going to matter. After the Julian Roberts fight, the whole MMA community is like kick her out of the UFC. The UFC needs to release her. She's cheating. It's so bad. Everybody was coming out and saying it. And then she's had like seven fights since. And Jed Mishu on a recent post-fight show was like, no, never release her because she's perfect in this spot because she either cheats and gives us headlines or she just gets the shit beat out of her by somebody in like a really fun way. So there's value on the roster for somebody like a Priscilla Kachua. And then she wins everyone so well. And she stays around. Yeah. She's actually. It's tough because Pierre has gone through a lot here.

Like she was booked to fight previously. her opponent, I don't know if it was a weight miss or something, something happened. And she got put on this card. Like, as like the, you know, here's what we're going to do. We're going to rebook you quickly so you can get back in there and make some money. And then this is what happens. So it's been kind of a tough 2024 this far for Piero. With MX Platinum, $400 in annual credits for travel and dining means you not only satisfy your travel bug,

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No, it can't happen because Brito's booked against Danny Higay on July 20th. So unless you want to take that away from Brito who wants the Danny Hague fight and intelligently called for it and got it, sure. But Brito's booked July 20th, which is a week before. You don't need to move anybody out of a fight for that. Yeah. Yeah, we're fine. I also think, like, again, we don't know that Murphy's going to be good to go.

Like, we really have no idea if he was good to go from Manchester. He was banged up. He was limping around after getting kicked a whole bunch by Edson and Barbosa. Like, might be a bridge too far, but we'll see. Yeah. All right. Oh, super chat from our good friend, Achille. junior.

Oh, boy. Let me just take a deep breath. Loser weights can't fight winner weights. Yannies versus Munoz. Gonna do a Bing rip, eat fajitas, and watch the Mavs win now. Yes. After this, I'm going to go listen to Cypress Hills hits from the Bing and go for a jog. I love our theme of Bing rips.

Send that Bing on a night. I'm going to just, you know, address the elephant in the room. The loser weights can't fight winter weights. Who are we talking about here? Like, I kind of kind of have a big idea of what you're referring to, but I think we need some clarity on what exactly you're talking about because you've used that loser weight term before. And I forget who you were talking about.

Could have been, you know, anybody. But need some clarity on that first part. Janias versus Munoz? Might be a little too much. we're just trying to get we're trying to rebuild yanez here i mean you threw him in there with rob font did not go well

then you threw him in there with jonathan martinez did not go well we threw him back to get him a win against a flyweight essentially like this is a set up a set up fight for yannas to get a knockout and that's what he got do you go right back to pedro munoz

i don't know uh also if i'm pagero munoz is that the problems i want like i haven't won and he's lost four out of his last five. I don't know if it makes sense for either guy. But it would be a decent name for Janius to get kind of back. I don't know.

I don't hate it. I'll say it this way. I don't hate it, but I don't love it either. It's okay. I'll be okay with it. Yeah. I'm a little biased. Maybe not,

but I would love to see Adrian Yannis versus my teammate Victor Henry. Oh, damn, that's fun as hell. Yeah. I mean, obviously, it's a very tough. fight for Victor but he's a tough dude and I think I think I'm a fight for Adrian too yeah I mean obviously yeah tough fight for both of them so I like it so that's why fight I like it I like it um or Victor Henry versus Pedro Munoz I like that idea as well oh are they former no that they know each other yeah they kind of train the same circles but I don't want to see that

I think I like Pedro I like Andrew I mean I like I don't know too but I think style-wise Yeah, whatever, whatever. Sorry. Back to our podcast questions or suggestions. Fahim, I, God. Fahim always brings just the positive takes, just putting everybody over, and I love this. I'm not familiar with Fahim's game.

I'm not familiar with Fahim's game. I'm getting introduced to it this session. I'd rather watch Carla Asparza versus Rose title fight on repeat for two hours. I'd watch four of them in podcasts. one head kick at 10 hour what? I think 10 years. So far boring. 10 year 10 years like he's saying like in in Leon's 10 year career there's like one

he's saying it's one moment. Is Leon been in the UFC for 10 years? Maybe that's that's a damn good moment. No man. Come on for him. Come on. Don't be so mean. I feel like Leon, man, people, people really, I feel like the, the narrative of like, nobody wants to see Leon and Belal has now outsized the actual, like, Leon and Belal fight.

Like, it's a fine fight. It's a good fight. Dude, I wouldn't have even had a problem if it had a headline UFC 300. Like, it's fine. It's a fine fight. It's good. And Balaal's good, man. Like, people are sleeping on Balaal because he kind of rubs people the wrong way. He's a little bit goofy. He's kind of corny. Leon had an aura about him. I don't know where it went. The Colby fight, I think, kind of sucked some of it out.

But, like, Leon was kind of the man for a while, and now people are turning back on him. I get it. I get it from the perspective that, like, this is not the, like, fight that everybody thinks is going to be amazing calling for. But, like, those are two really good fighters. I think it's not going to be as bad as everybody is.

It can't be. It can be. The, this fight stinks thing is, like, so far beyond what the actual. fight could possibly be at its worst. It'll be fine. It'll be a good fight. Yeah. I think Jet, I mean, honestly, like, Jed's being really funny, but I think he's like right on with it.

This is the Leafy Greens fight. Like, it's good. It's good for you. It's not, you're not hammering down two slices of pepperoni pizza that's just like delicious and they'll fill you up. Like you, this is, you want to avoid the kale. It's not your first choice, but when you eat it, you feel better. It's just one of those things like you just have to have.

for longevity in life. That's what this fight is. It's one of those things that's just going to, you may not be your first choice, but if you have it, you're not going to be mad at yourself for eating it. And that's what this fight is. And I think that's true.

Also, just consider that like when Leon walks out in Manchester, it's going to be awesome. It's going to say, maybe not because like I feel like half the crowd's going to leave after Tom fights. And also like it's going to be 5 a.m. there. So that might actually be a problem. Yeah. That's honestly my biggest problem of all of this.

Was that? So maybe Leon and Belaw are going to fight at 6 a.m. Which is crazy. Yeah, I'm not I'm not 100% sure. I think it'll be awesome when Leon walks out, but I don't know. Now I'm kind of backtracking on that. It's hard to tell because we're watching a regular and regular evening time. But like, unless I guess if we have someone there, it would be really interesting to have the fill of the crowd.

What's the co-main? Oh, yeah, the co-main is being Tom. Tom. Tom and that home is feel good. Patty's fighting. It's a great. It's a great card. It's unfortunate for those fans that they're going to be drunk by the time the first

fight happens and asleep by the time the fifth fight happens. I was in the arena for UFC and Fox in Sweden. The main event was a good main event, but it was between Anthony Johnson versus Alex Gustafson. The problem was they went out like at four or three in the morning. They stopped serving alcohol, say like three hours before that. that the co-main event was one of the film the rematch between Phil Davis and Ryan Bader. Oh.

So like it had a whole, you know, two two very talented fighters who should never fight each other. You know, because it's just bad. And of course, it was just horrible. And then they just sucked all the energy of the crowd. And then they were there for Alex and Augustinzen and then gets knocked out within like, I think, a couple of minutes. but I can't see Aspinall blades unless blades somehow just, you know, Curtis blades him, I guess, in the worst way for 25 minutes, which I just don't see. But I think we're going to be fine. I think we're going to be fine.

But I'm just saying that is a situation where like when it's late at night and just the crowd is just not into it. So we'll see. We'll see. I would have put Tom as the main event if it was me. Oh, yeah. Just real quick. I know just if you, what if. But just what if they just did it like they should have done maybe and just done

Belaw versus Leon versus Blah, UFC 300, 301, Pereira versus Hill, and then Manchester, Aspenall Blades. It was right there. And I think we'd have been fine. But I get it. You know, now we're here. I don't.

I don't get it. I think it was stupid. I do think it's stupid too, but, yeah. Now, I think you see if we under was perfect and we don't need to change it at all. You're just happy.

I'm going to be on another, I'm going to be on another video after that one. My bad. I'm kind of disappointed. I got to say I'm kind of let down. I haven't been in any of those videos yet. I don't know. I'm not.

You guys put some hot. fire you got to do the opposite you have to say something really nice and then they're going to cut a little middle portion out of it and pretend that you said something bad and then they'll use that so just keep being yeah yeah you have to do the compliment sandwich you have to say some good but for real this is like kind of how i feel but yes they did a great job you have to do that compliment sandwich they just cut the shit out of it and put it in the clip they do with these are the ways casey these are the ways thank thank you thank you thank you all RS 75 AC.

Chaos versus Euros Medich, Murphy versus Brito in London. Didn't he, did he just not say Murphy versus Brito in London already? Brito was close. When did I just did this? I love that he tried to get it in again. Was it the same one? It looked like the same username. That's hilarious.

It has to be. I love that he tried to sneak it back in there. He changed the city. He went from Manchester to London To try to throw it off When did they go into London? That's what I want to know Maybe he's just setting up a next year fight

For when the UFC goes to London I'll give you that Chaos versus Rios Medich Same person Yeah same person Um Chaos versus Urus Medich though Is kind of a sick fight

I'm down for that I like that I like that Is match? Yeah You got to win I don't think he's in rebooked yet no not yet yeah maybe sure all right we got to can't wait for it

Murphy versus Brito in Birmingham we got it perfect Burm versus Bertha is I had to see now for some reason I don't know why he's like I got to see it I don't know why oh we got a follow up super chat from our oh god our great friend Akita's junior Oh boy

Rick you're the loser Way Mike Casey and myself are considering I'm kidding I like this I like this I like this guy

I like this I mean he's just he's consistent I'm gonna I'm gonna acknowledge this I'm gonna say okay I accept I accept your classifications

even though I think they're stupid uh who though like you've just named three people I'm fighting fighting all of them I'm fighting one of them like who's the fight and and hopefully you say you

Because me and you, this showdown is coming at some point. This is going to happen. Me and you. Me and you, Achilles, Jr. Wow. Is this the Lorone Murphy, Jo Anderson, Brito of MMA fighting? Jackman versus Aquinas Jr. And Jed versus Senor Pepe, I think.

That's the other one. Jet is Senor-Pross. UFC Fight Night, Nottingham. Let's do it. Jetting Cross. Jetting Cross. Cross is crossed, yeah. Oh, okay.

I've only been around for the Pepe era. I didn't know about, I don't know about. Oh, yeah. Okay. Cross. Cross. Crosses takes. All right.

Incredible takes. Let me check on the NBA. Hold on. Let me check the status. Dallas is up with 2.5 seconds. So I guess he's going to get his win. Congratulations, Achilles, Jr. You deserve it.

Up by how many? They're doing nothing. They're up by one with 2.5. Do they have the ball? Let's see. Heartbreak live on the show. I don't know. I'm going to assume.

not but I don't know. Let me see. Play by play. Oh, it'll be incredible. No. The Thunder had the ball, but I think it's final now. Yeah, it's final. Dallas wins. Congratulations to Killis, Jr. You deserve it. You earned it. You worked really hard and got that W. So congratulations to you. All right. I'm reluctantly putting this on the screen. I don't. I don't. Damn, Chase. Chase. Chase. I ain't even going to read that for the podcast. That's just mean. That's a video exclusive.

Yeah. Damn, dude. All right. Now we're going to go to Michael. The people on the podcast are going to be dying to know what this was. They're going to have to look it up. Dang, Chase. All right.

Damn, Chase. Oh, my God. Whoa. Harsh, harsh. But I appreciate you, Mike, not putting that juju out there. Michael, I think everyone is massively sleeping on Blades. You might not be wrong. He looked decent for the few minutes of action we got in the first fight.

And I think Blades is kind of underrated. Like a lot of people were expecting Jeltena Ameda to just completely bury him. And he put an end to that real quick. I think Blades is really good. I do, I will say, without sleeping on Blades, because I believe in Blades. I think Blades is a really good heavyweight. I that much more believe in Tom Aspinall. I think Tom Aspinall is probably the best heavyweight and the future champion.

So I would pick Tom to win. But I don't think this is a situation where he just goes in and walks over Curtis Blades. The problem for Curtis is that this is not a great style matchup for him because the grappling is going to be a little bit difficult. Tom is a really good, well-rounded kind of fighter. And on the feet, if you get into a firefighter with Tom, he's going to find the chin the same way. many people have done on Curtis Blades before. Curtis is going to need a really, really good game plan and to be the aggressor. He's going to need to be the one throwing and not just waiting for Tom to act.

And if he's aggressive, he can win this fight. He can definitely win this fight. So I'm not sleeping on Blades personally. I think he's really good, but I do believe Tom is better. Yeah, Blades is, yeah, he can absolutely win this fight. It will be tough for him to win this fight. For Blades, to me, for his, for those big hands that hurt Tom, he will have to establish something with the grappling.

Like he, if it's just a straight up. That's how he wins. Yeah, yeah. But he has to, like, he has to get a dominant round, a dominant couple minutes on the ground where like Tom's like,

oh crap, if I get my back with, if Curtis plays gets the top of me, I'm in bad shape. Then Curtis's hands get really dangerous. The problem with Tom Aspinall, he can just, he's just a great striker and a great grappler and great,

she's just really good. Tom Aspinna has not. showing any weaknesses yet except for he's good everywhere yeah he's he's good everywhere this this is going to be a tough fight but it's winnable it is winnable for both sides that's what's that's intriguing about it i like this match up a lot better than i like gone versus aspirin if i'm being honest like i think tom would walk through seril gone like i don't think that's a competitive fight and i just don't like gone coming off a very one-sided loss to another title fight i just well yeah desi parson's am i am i forgetting something yeah he beat sergey spivac

Oh, yeah, yeah. I can't forget. But, you know, that's, yeah. And then, and then did the thing where you bungle the mic work and you get nothing. Steve, like, wasn't a high enough. Well, he was about to get Tom Aspinall and Manchester for a title. But, I mean, you know. Because I think we know why.

You know what I mean? Because I think they feel the same way you guys probably do about that fight that Tom is going to go in there and win and send the people all Mappy. Because it's like a really good stylistic match. for him. But Cyril just like did himself no favors after that win. No, I'm just going to wait for a title shot when he could have just said, I'll fight you, Sergei Pavlovich, you're the guy. And then he probably will be also title fight. He could be the interim freaking heavyweight champion right now if he just did that. But no, didn't want to call anybody out, kind of avoided Tom Aspinall who went to Paris just to go there to get into the cage of them. And Sierra's like,

eh, I'm not big of a rollout. That right there is the key. That right there is the key. It wasn't just that he didn't call anybody out. He also actively tried to pretend that Tom Aspinall was not the dude. And that's not good business. It was a double. Yeah. And then he went on the MMA hour and did the same thing. And just like dismiss Tom Aspinall as like a serious competitor until Tom won the title.

And then it's like, all right, we'll fight now. And Tom's just like, why would I fight you now? Because I have the belt. I mean, I will fight you. But I don't really want to, which I completely agreed with. So yeah. Yeah. Blades is really good.

We'll see what happens. This trio right here is not sleeping on blades and it sounds like you're not either. We all think he's got a fight on his hands. Sure. Terrence, last question from me since I'm channeling Jed. Oh, this is great. As a John Jones fan, Rick, how can you defend his ex-comment defending the Steep A fight? He is getting cooked.

Yeah, so for anybody listening or not aware, I'm assuming this is the one that Terrence is talking about because he's been tweeting like the last couple of days to week about this fight. But earlier today, he said that he and Steve A. Miochich have 20 title fights or title fight wins. And Tom and Curtis have zero. How could they be fighting for the real belt? And he said he didn't count his interim title win so that Tom's interim title win doesn't count. He's kind of making it fair and leveling the playing field. And the answer for how can I defend his excom and is I don't need to.

speaks for itself, my friend. John Jones and Stepe-Meotich have combined for 20 title fight victories. And yeah, that's it right there. You can't say that that belt ain't real because the belt is wrapped around old Johnny boys' waist and nobody except the UFC can take it from them or Stipe when they eventually fight if they eventually fight, if that ever happens. And yeah, the math speaks for itself, Terrence. I got nothing to defend.

like, you know, these are just cold, hard facts that you're just kind of have to face from from John Jones. There's nobody over here clucking and saying that kind of nonsense about the goat. The goat does what the goat wants. So yeah, that's all I got to say. All right. I mean, the more he does this, it's tremendously funny. I will say, the longer it goes.

I enjoy it more and more. It feels to me, and maybe I'm giving too much credit. feels to me like John Jones knows that Tom Aspinall is going to be the fight that's there. Right. Like he by by trying to pour the the, the water onto the fire, it's actually stoking the flames of Tom Aspinall versus John Jones. Maybe intentional, maybe not. But I do think he recognizes like there's enough of a support around Tom Aspinall that by continuing to say like, nah, he's not the guy. he might more become the guy that will be more people saying he's the guy. And I'm just going to take that interpretation and hope that it's true. I know John is also a very sensitive human being and probably just doesn't like people talking to him about Tom Aspinall.

But maybe both things are true. But it is only serving to amplify a Tom versus John fight. It is making fans desire it the more. The more John Jones shuts it down, the more people are going to say you're ducking and you're not giving Tom. And so ultimately it may turn into the big money fight that he said. His whole thing has always been for legacy and for money, Steepa is my biggest fight. And there's kind of an argument to it.

I don't know if I necessarily agree, but there's kind of an argument to it. He's the best heavyweight. He's the best heavyweight that the UFC's had. He's possibly one of the best heavy weights ever. And so that fight has something to it at least. I will acknowledge that from John's perspective. I think Tom is a more interesting fight.

I think that does more for your legacy potentially. but that fight monetarily, if Tom is able to walk through Curtis Blades, let's say best case scenario, Tom just absolutely smash as Curtis Blades. If we look at the end of the year to MSG in November and Tom and Steepa happens, now you've got Tom sitting there as a viable pay-view draw as a guy who's really legitimate and could really give John some problems. I think the UFC would be willing to pay for that and I think the fans would be willing to see it. If for some reason, Steepa can't make it two-fight night in November, if Tom gets the same

thing done that I'm expecting that he might be able to get done in July, all of a sudden, John Jones can't say it's Steepa now. There is no fight with Steepa anymore because he's pinning himself to one specific fight. He is saying it has to be Stepe Miotrits or not. It's a career too. Yeah, he's making that case, but I think I think the one who will ultimately get a fight, if steepa falls off is probably Tom, if he does what he needs to do. But either way, John's setting himself up for a collision course with Tom,

even if that is not his intent. That is the fight that people are going to be clamoring for, and even more so. It's almost like the Cody stuff with wrestling, like making you wait is actually going to end up paying dividends. Now, I know everybody wants it right now. I know everybody's like, I need it, I need it. Tom versus John, Tom versus John.

Trust me, waiting for it will pay. you will get a bigger fight and it will feel massive. So I don't know. I hope it happened. Let me ask you both this. If only one of these fights could be made in 2024, what would you rather see? Casey, I'll ask you first.

John Jones versus Tom Aspinall or John Jones versus Francis and Gano? Oh, you jerk. Taking away all the politics and, yeah, all that kind of stuff. Yeah. If we, we were guaranteed one, but we can't have both.

What would you pick? I'm going to go Aspinall. I'm going to Aspenol. Just because Francis has kind of chosen his new path and good for him. And obviously, you know, he's going through his own things right now. But taking that out of the equation,

I think Francis has chosen his own path. Aspinall is still on this UFC path for heavyweight gold. So I give it to John. John versus Aspinall for sure. All right. So, Rick, let's just say, His Excellency, Turkey, has the power to put either of these fights together. He can do it. Dane is in.

We're all good. Whatever Turkey wants to do, we're going to do it. What are you picking? Aspenol or Francis? Who am I in this scenario? Just me? I'm the person or am I John Jones. This is for you.

Just for me? It's Tom. It's definitely Tom. because I think what I think what would inevitably happen with Francis is people would dismiss. If John Jones won that fight, people would dismiss and say Francis was worn and the AJ knockout never recovered. There would be lots of explanations for why John won and to try to discredit that win. With Tom, there's not like it just doesn't exist, right? He's going to be fighting a guy who's in his absolute prime who's a killer.

and so I think it would do more for John's resume. It's on paper a fight I would rather see. But I will say this, as the world's foremost John Jones defender and fan, I actually think at the time that they were talking about, Francis Ngano versus John Jones, if they did it, I think Francis would have won that fight. I think Francis would have won that fight.

And I say that as number one, John Stan in the entire universe. The Francis, who beats Depe in the rematch, if you don't have the power to stop him from walking towards you, you're cooked. You're done and that's it. Like there wasn't a heavyweight on earth who would have beaten that guy in MMA before he went over to boxing. Now he's got some years on him, right?

Because he had to sit out that full year. He had the knee surgery. He's just a different human. Now he's suffered a personal loss and our hearts and everything go out to him. Obviously condolences to him and his family. But like he's just a completely different human. He's sitting on so much more money. It all changed.

It's all changed for Francis. That one though, I would have picked against John. Master, look at your phone. Okay. So I would have picked that version of Francis. This version, I'm not as interested. As I said, like, it's just a different, it's just different guys at different times. Tom, I want desperately.

It's so crazy. We've got big, good, crazy. We're all there. We're all there. We're all there for Tom Aspinall. Yeah, which is wild to think about. Are we anything else? Yeah, we have a few more.

Jay still throwing more just just throwing baseballs at Balah Muhammad here just chucking them I'll say this any Mike you want to read it before I yeah a ball fight at 5 a.m. is more effective than ambient okay I'll read that over yeah yeah yeah personal and physical harm to the man um any anybody fighting at 5 a.m. is ambient like that's just not a suitable fight time that's just silly it is legitimately stupid like nothing good happens at 5 a.m. and Yeah, a cage fight is, yeah, just nothing good. I mean, watching a jumps a gaugy fight at 5 a.m. We'll hit differently.

The whole point of this sport is we're in it, and especially as this pertains to the UFC, is we want the best fighters to compete under the best circumstances and everybody to be 100% healthy and active and ready and to give us our best fight. And we're basically handicapping that on purpose, saying, no, we're going to do it at a time that nobody wants to be up at any circumstance.

everybody is asleep at this time. Even the people that get up for the graveyard shift are waking up after this. And we're going to put you in a cage and have you throwing fists at each other. So good luck to you. I just, I hate it. I hate it so much. And you're hampering, you're hampering Leon and Tom more than anybody else. Because they have to change everything about them.

Like it doesn't, like Leon and Curtis will have to like, you know, travel over there and deal with that but that's their clock like they're fighting on their time ball and curtis yeah yeah ball and curtis and then leon and tom like have to do something completely different they have to like script their entire clock like maybe even go to the united states and like just get on their time and then fly back home on fight week like it just seems so you hear you always hear the fighters who are like yeah i stayed on this time right to get ready for the fight and it's just like i don't want them doing that i that is not what i want out of my Premium elite cage fighters.

I want them to fight at a regular time and not have to be like, yeah. For a week up at 3 a.m. to go prepare for a fight. A month I did sparring at 3 a.m. What are we talking about? I don't want this. Who wants this? Nobody wants this. Maybe ESPN wants this.

That's the only one I can think of that wants this. I don't want this. You got to think of the shareholders. Yeah. What about the people dropping $80? Like, you think any of us are going to care? if they start that main card at 3 p.m. Eastern, no one's going to care. We're going to be like, hell yeah, let's go.

3 p.m. Eastern, that means we're done with all the fighting at like 7 p.m. We can have like a Saturday night to go out and do stuff. Like, that's beautiful. That's wonderful. But no, can't get it. All right. A few more super chats. Fahim. Okay, positive side, Tyra too early for main event.

No. I don't think it's too early for Tetsura, Tyra. Remind me, I know this just got booked. Remind me who he's fighting. Alex Perez, June 15th. Five rounds at where else the world's most famous Apex. By the way, 10 p.m. Eastern Main Card for that Apex card. So get excited for that.

But man, Tetsu Ritra is supposed to fight Tim Elliott. Fight no longer happening. So they moved Tetsu, Tzu, Retira, to UFC 302. He's going to fight Josh Van at UFC 302. and Alex Perez is going to fight to Gere Ulaan Bekoff on June 15th and earlier this week the UFC just swapped them both up

and they put Tetsu or Tira against Alex Perez and then on the same card Josh Van will fight Ulaan Bekoff on June 15 so neither of those flyouts are going to fight at UFC 302 so I'll ask you New York Rick do you feel like this is too early for young Tetsu or Tira to be in a main event

now that dude's a savage I think this is awesome. I think this is exactly what he needs and I think this is exactly what flyweight needs. So yeah, love this. Like no problems with it at all. Completely agree. I like this.

I just find it very weird how the UFC decided to do this because I've been kind of like, I've been really interested how they've been building up tire and since that he's been under like the early prelims versus I would say the bottom tier of fly weights. He is what? 5 and O in the UFC. And none of the flyweight he'd beaten have been top 15 guys yet.

And to go from that to Alex Perez, that's kind of a surprise. I think Tyra's worthy of it. I'm just surprised. Like, the timidate one made sense in the way they were building him up. I thought there was a system to it, but I guess not. Like, all right, now boom, main event. It's just different. Let me tell you one thing that might help paint a picture.

sure why this should not be surprising. Alessandre Pantosia just fought Steve Urseg as the headliner of a paperview, and they need flyweight title contenders, and Tatsuro Taira has the makings of a flyweight title contender. And so here he comes. It's time. Your number just got called because we can't count on Manel Kopp to get to a fight, and because Mohamed Makayev is kind of to steal a word from before, Ambien,

like his fights are not the most exciting fights. And so now it's time because you look like you're ready. So they just need bodies because Pantosia seems to just keep carving through them. So they need them. They just need them. And also, he's good enough. That's pretty. He's good enough.

He is good enough. I'm just kind of more surprised. I get what you're saying. The build is advanced. But think about Steve Erseg. He went from three not really like known guys to fighting Alessandre Pantosia. This is just flyweight at this point. They need, they got spots to fill. for that title and and if as long as

Pantosia's holding it and he's already really wrecked like most of the top contenders it it has to it has to happen all right uh I think Tyre's gonna be the back yeah I think Tyres like he goes out there and busts up Alex Perez he's gonna be

the hey come to Manchester we might need you guy in case like cop misses Wade or something weird that's got to be a number one contender fight so if someone can't go maybe they bring Tyron as the backup help and then he could fight to be the number one contender. So.

Yep. Yeah. All right. Gustavo. Gotto first breast shot TKO in UFC history. Yes. I think so. We don't,

we're not the official statisticians of the brush shots, but I think so. Yeah. We'll have to check out ESPN stats and info for that, for that answer. But yeah, that was. Casey Casey made a great point I would have liked to hear from her Like yeah

You know Describe that like what happened there Because it's not like she was in the cage And just she's right there And it's not like a head It's not like a concussion type TCO So just talked to her She's right there

But we never got like a clear answer I didn't know if like Maybe she had a previous injury Um We mentioned Off camera There was a fight a few years back Between Angela Hill

And what was her name I'm sorry Stephanie Egging. Stephanie Egging. And she had recently, Stephanie Egging had recently had a child. So she was still lactating. And then she got,

and Angela Hill punched her in the boob, breast, sorry. And it just hurt her a lot. And she essentially, it wasn't a straight TKill, but she eventually turned from like, oh my God, that hurt a lot. And then Angela Hill got TKO from that. So I thought, but this doesn't seem to be the same situation.

So I'm just curious I'm just like what happened Like was like a previous injury Was it just was it just maybe she had a broken rib coming into the fight? We don't know. Yeah, just just odd Interesting. Yeah, it was

It was a weird ending. That's for sure But I thought it was so weird too Feltre was just interviewing Melissa Gatto like But like if it was just a normal knockout victory like That was saying that was a weird. That was weird. Yes, Paul, it was.

It's almost one of those situations, though, like what's she going to say about it, right? She's like, I punched her in the chest and she folded. I don't know. Like, it's probably never happened to her in training either. So it's a weird, it's a weird thing. I don't know. Yeah. But maybe it's a sensitive area and hurts.

But because of the fact that we've seen it so infrequently, I would have liked to hear from her and just been like, oh, yeah, like I was hurt. or, you know, it's just two cents. I don't know. I would have liked to hear from her. Yeah, I'm just, yeah. And two more super chats. K0-3000. Cashby, KFC, Bellator, UFC, and boxing.

We'll be tweeting my tickets to GC tomorrow. Nice job, KO-3,000. My man. You know what? Do me a favor. Tweet it to, tweet it to me and GC. Just for safety. Just for safekeeping.

I want to keep an eye on it. I'll know that you, that you wrote this. and yeah, send it to both of us. Yes. BKFC Omaha. You bet on that. Like, I, I, hell of respect, man. Hella respect.

Yeah. I was going to say, maybe it was knucklemania, but that was a while ago, right? What was that? Two weeks ago, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, they just had a event this weekend. Oh, Omaha. I have no idea who headlined it.

No clue. I saw some photos online, but yeah, people busted up. but I'm not sure who it was too. Two weeks ago was Bohegan. That was Jimmy Rivera, Daniel Strauss. Oh, that's right.

That's right. It was like a fight night. It was like a BKFC fight night event. Omaha, Nebraska. I mean, just credited BKFC. I mean, they have their big events,

you know, which kind of the whole combat world will pay attention to. But then in between, they're still doing their thing. And they have, they're in a groove. They have a fan base

that's following bare knuckle fighting. I think that's really awesome. And they just added Connor McGregor. That's pretty significant. They're so fun to go to too. Like I'm telling you, like go to BKFC card. You will have a freak great time. It's just, it's a circus in the best possible way.

This is true. And where are we at? Okay. Yeah. Our last question. Real quick. That's super chat. Tap like chicken.

Do we witness Edson's last main event? I hope so. And not from the perspective, like, not from the perspective that I don't think Edson's a good fighter, but like, I just want to see him fight three rounds. Like, I don't think there's, like, he's not fighting for a championship. There's no reason to be like in five round fights. It's just not, it's not important. So, yeah, I hope so, but not because I don't think Edson Barbosa is a good fighter. Like, Alex Casares fight could be a co-main on a fight night.

That would be really fun. No problem with that. Like, that's great. That's a perfect lane for him. So I'm saying I hope so just because I don't need to see him in five round fights anymore We're not we're not competing for championships We're not building up to that like no need And what we saw tonight is Edison still is very tough and being very tough can be very dangerous for your brain

Especially over 25 minutes and you know he does no significant weight cuts to make 45 So no reason to do 25 minutes for Edson so and we still can see him no and as a no on the card Yeah I'm not we're not retiring him but we're maybe retire hiring him from main events. Yeah. I'll tell you, I'd be down for Edson Barboza versus Tony Ferguson, too.

I don't hate it. I don't hate it. That was... The first time was freaking fun as hell. And that fight, that fight kind of changed the, change their career trajectory of Tony Ferguson to, like,

once you won that fight, it was like the kind of the crazy, bloody Tony Ferguson kind of like, oh man, if you're going to fight Tony Ferguson, you better be prepared. to get some stitches, you know? Tony Ferguson versus Edson Barbosa 170 pounds.

Nobody needs to cut weight. Perfect fight. Let's do it. Let's do it. The 170, I like that. That was, I like adding that. That's even better. That's the fight.

I like adding that. It's so much better. Just stay healthy guys, dude, no. Just be healthy. Go to war and watch it. Come in event on a decent card. I really wish UFC did that more, guys who are kind of, you know, they're out of the championship run.

They're out of the top 10. and we know they can make weight, but why? Just come in. Like, dude, I can't tell the difference. I can't tell the difference between a 55 version and a 70 version of Besson. They look the same. Here's the big problem with that. I actually think the UFC would be willing to go along with that.

I actually think it's often the fighter who doesn't know that they're not in the championship hunt anymore, who thinks they're still competing that lightweight and go on a run. Yeah, that's true. I love when it's like, hey, we're actually both not 155 pounds. We're probably closer to 170. Let's just fight at 170. I like those type of fights. But I think it's probably the fighters most of the time that it just like it hasn't hit them yet.

That it ain't going to happen for the championship anymore. And our last super chat and our last comment, a positivity from our good friend Akita's Jr. Good night, guys. Appreciate all of you. let's go 302 I like this New York Rick that was for you too

I like this yeah Killis coming through you know what it is I think he's probably had a little too many Bing hits and he watched the Mavs and he's you know he's happy

he's real happy right now but shout out to you Achilles Jr are consistently in here no matter how you feel about me I only have love for you so good night that was a very nice message thank you for that

yes and And he brings up a great point, everybody. There is no UFC card next week. The next UFC event is UFC 302, which includes Sean Strickham versus Paul Costa, five-round, co-main event. And then the main event, Islam Makachev, the lightweight champion of the world, taking on Dustin Porre. Dustin Porre is last chance to become a UFC world champion? And what a freaking story would be if the diamond can pull it off?

Boy, is that going to be a tough hill to climb because Islam is the best fighter on the planet right now. But what scenes it could be in Newark, New Jersey, if Dustin Freakoporri, it becomes a lightweight champion of the world. But that's the next sort of fight week craziness that we're going to discuss. AK and I will be around tomorrow. We'll do some matchmaking for this event. We'll do another Otno next week as well. It's going to be a Q&A edition.

So we'll give you more details on that tomorrow as well. And then the road to 302 is officially on. So thank you all very much for Casey for New York. Rick once again, I am Mike Hack. Have a great rest of your weekend. We're out of here. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Unwrap holiday magic at Holt Renfrew with gifts that say I know you.

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