MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 95 Post-Fight Show: Reaction To Serghei Spivac's Quick Submission To Cap Off Tough Card

Episode Date: August 11, 2024

Serghei Spivac bounced back in the win column impressively as he became the first fighter to ever submit Marcin Tybura in the main event of UFC Vegas 95 — while getting back one of his early UFC losses in the process. Following the quick submission win, where does Spivac go, and was it enough to save one of the toughest-to-watch fight cards of the year? MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Eric Jackman react to Saturday's Fight Night event at the APEX, Spivac's tremendous performance, and Jailton Almeida calling him out post-fight. Additionally, topics include whether or not the event was the UFC's worst of the year, the bright spots on the card including Youssef Zalal, the awful scorecard in Danny Barlow's split decision win over Nikolay Veretennikov, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Eric Jackman: @NewYorkRic Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But first, there, the last one. Enjoy a Coca-Cola for a pause that refreshes. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Yes, those are the victory horns, and they sound for the polar bear. Sergei Spivak, revenge is sweet. And revenge happened at the world's most famous apex. arm bar submission from one Sergey Speedback. And now we're even at one.

And that can only mean one thing. Time for a trilogy between these two gentlemen, right? Welcome to the UFC Vegas 95 post-fight show. I am Mike Hack. Shout out to Sergey Speedback because, boy, didn't expect to use Sergey Speedback and hero in the same sentence. But boy, we needed a hero to come along and just put this card to rest. and Sergei Speedback comes through in the main event and does it. Speaking of heroes, joining me to recap this event in probably pretty short order,

New York, Rick. What a hero he is. Good to see you again, sir. I mean, we started off previewing this event, no better way than finishing this and recapping this event than with you here virtually, New York, Rick. How are you, buddy? I'm great. I don't consider myself a hero. I'm just a man.

But I'm just a man who survived UFC. Apex 95. So we're here and impressive stuff out of Sergei Spivak. That's that's worth talking about. So let's get into it. Yeah, came out, landed a nice combination early. Like I was impressed with him on the feet. And then a little bit of a takedown, Spiebeck was kind of on Tybor's back. We knew that wasn't going to last very long. And then Tyborra gets the position he's on top. And I'm thinking of myself, Jesus Christ, New York, Rick, this is going to be the next 23 minutes of this fight. Like, this is exactly what we're going to see. And then that sly dog, that sly polar bear, Sergei Spivak, sneaky little devil, traps the arm,

gets the arm bar, traps it so tight that Tibor can't even tap. He has to verbally submit minute 44 New York, Rick. Nice performance from Sergey Spivak, was it not? Not necessarily how I expected that to. go. I thought if there was going to be a finish, it was probably going to be later in the fight. But yes, impressive. Like, look, we were together on the preview show and we broke it down. This is the equator. This is the middle line, eight and nine. But, but with a performance like that, you start to, you start to creep. You start to creep. And now you could have Jelton Almeida, who's on social media saying that he wants to item and then all of a sudden you knock off Jalten al-Meda and you start to creep again.

And so there's a path. There's a path for Sergei Sbivok to escape that equator status. And this was how you start that. This was how you get that momentum started. An impressive submission. Like against the guy who, as we pointed out on the preview show as well, like kind of loses the best of the best. And so I was impressed.

I did not expect it to go this way. If there was a finish, I thought it would be Spivak, but I didn't think it would necessarily be this way, and I thought it would come later. So he impressed me. Shout out to Spievac as well. First fighter to ever submit Martin Taibora. Through all these years, all these fights,

never been submitted. Shout to Jed Mishu as well. Cashed a plus 800 on Speedback by submission. Just great stuff, great stuff. I thought for sure, New York, Rick, because Bisbing just kept going after him in a way They were just like, call somebody out, give me a name, do it. And meanwhile, Spivak is just trying to make peace with Michael Bisbing.

Didn't think Michael Bisbing liked him very much. I was trying to sort of bury the hatchet with him. It was like, yeah, man, I like you. Now, shout out a name. And he had no name. I thought for sure he was going to call it John Jones or Tom Aspinall or do something egregious. But no, stuck to his guns, just said, no, just want to fight somebody higher ranked than I. And then Jed just posted our Slack channel, Speedback on the.

the post show, Karen Bryant, Michael Kiesa and company doing the same thing. Call somebody out, please give us a name. He's just like, no, just somebody ranked ahead of me, New York, Rick. He's just being himself. I appreciate that. He's not going all Joaquin Buckley right now. He's not going all Sharra Bullitt right now and just making insane call out. She's being true to himself. And I like it. And by the way, as I just said, on social media, Jalpton Alameda has already called him out. So he doesn't need to do anything, which is great. It's true. It's right there. Seven versus perceivably eight, which means

there's really no movement here. But yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Jaltenammeda. Look, that's the fight to make because any of the guys above are probably not going to come out. I think Jalton Almeida is rightfully also seeing a kind of situation developing

there where like maybe it's hard for him to vertically climb again. And so this makes sense. Spiva versus Almeida. And yeah, I'm okay. Look, we're not going to rehash the whole do I care that you have to nail the call out precisely situation. I'm okay in this instance because I don't think there's like a, like the reason why I don't think there's this thing where you have to nail the call

out is because I don't believe that most of these fighters have the clout to get what they want. And Sergei Spivok does not have the clout to get what he wants. So even if he's out there calling out the guy ranked number five or four, he doesn't have the clout to get number five or four. and so he's going to get number seven because number seven is calling him out. So this is what we end up with. Then it's okay. All is okay in the world.

I raise you a Kyle Barallio because look what happened with him. He went from calling out Drickus Duplice, who is about to fight for the belt at the time, to changing gears, realizing his mistakes, probably listening to our post-fight show. And then he comes back and he nails the call out, nails it. calls out Jared Cannoneer for a main event at the world's most famous Apex. And wouldn't you know in New York, Rick, two weeks, three weeks from right now, he's getting exactly that. Jared Cannonier, main event at the world's most famous Apex.

You see how you see how this works? You can tell by how far in advance they booked this fight, the level of consideration they put into that call out and we're really like sitting on it and mulling it over and really wanting him to get what he wanted there. But yeah, I mean, again, Like Spivoc, it's tough sledding. It's tough sledding to break into that top of the heavyweight division.

And quite frankly, a lot of them are booked, right? Like we're looking at guys who have fights. And so there's really not a lot of options. Jalton Al-Meda makes a lot of sense. And makes sense for Al-Meda as well. Like, again, these guys are booked. You kind of have to stay busy. Put those guys in there.

It can happen relatively soon. Spivok definitely did not take any damage in this fight. And keep the division going. I like the fight. Yeah. The Graflin should be fun in that one too. Yeah, I like that fight. Blades would be interesting.

I think those are kind of like the two options ahead for Spivak right now, but I do like the Jailton idea because I kind of want to see where Jailton's at as well. I think that's like a really good test for him at this point to see where he's at. And yeah, I mean, Spivak's gotten his chance, man. He went out there and beat Derek Lewis. They gave him a maid event against Cyril God, which if he'd won that fight, he's probably getting some sort of a title shot. Yeah.

in some capacity. So, I mean, it's not like he's never gotten his chance, but now he could slowly make his way back from the equator, back up to the sky. Look at the sky. What a night he had in short order. Chepe Mariscal gets the win. Crazy-ass pace that this man put on.

He also missed weight. But, yeah, tough night for Damon Jackson. Man, Danny Barlow, tough night for him. He wins, but I don't think he gained a whole hell of a lot with that performance. Chris Gutierrez, Kwong Lee, good fight. Gutierrez got tested. I think people expected that. Gets the job done.

Yana Santos, beats Chelsea Chandler, probably knocks her out of the UFC. Toshiomi, Kazama. What a comeback. What a crazy-ass second round against Gregorio. Carol Hosa is just mean and nasty in there. Gets the victory. Janada Denise beats Carl Williams in a fight that transpired, for sure. Yusuf Salal just made quick work of Jarno Arons.

And then Stephanie Luciano and Tolita Alancar had had themselves a rematch. And fist flew and Luciano won. So, yeah, there's Vegas 95. I mean, anything stick out to you, New York, Rick. Did you leave this card outside of Sergei Spivak saying, like, you know what? This is awesome. I liked this. This is cool.

The 3027 appo in the bar low. That one stood out to me. What? What was that? What? What? What are you watching? What was that?

That is horrendous. That stood out to me, not for good reasons. But the rest, you know, uninspired. Like, it was, it was just a card that it delivered exactly the level that I, that I had expectations for it. So how about that? Like, it didn't go below expectations. It met expectations, which were we can move on very quickly. quickly to UFC 305.

But that card. What? How? Who? When? Why? It's just mind-boggling. How that was submitted.

That was Jaron Vellel, by the way. Who has refereed some fights as well, I believe. Yeah. And Alex Buehoun of M.A. Mania actually posted a photo of a couple of the referees talking to Jaron Vallal about said card. And it was funny because as Marchine Taibora is getting ready to walk out to the Octagon and Red Hot Chili Peppers is playing, I can literally see Mike Beltran and Jaron Vallel,

like making peace based on what they were talking about. Like they're hugging each other, like near where Valel was sitting for judging that fight. And you could see like whatever heated discussion they previously had came to an end, like, right at that moment as Tybor was about to walk out. It was freaking crazy. I'm watching this all transpire as this walkout's happening. It was a card worth a heated discussion. It was a submitted scorecard worth having a conversation about that might get a little bit testy.

But I'm glad to hear that they mended fences. I'm glad to hear that halls well by the time the main event stepped into the cage. But that was the one thing that I just couldn't wrap my head around. And then the impressive performance in the main event. Those are the moments. And Yusuf Salah. And Yusuf Salah, who we. all like, you know, the biggest favorite on the card, I think, like, or second or something.

I think he was my 600 at the time. Yeah. We knew he's back and he's ready to style on folks. So, yeah. Yeah. Casey, come on in. I mean, I don't know, really, it's not a whole hell of a lot to recap here. There was somebody on Twitter who was telling me that they were that this is an enjoyable

card. This is better than 302 and it had more storylines. And 302 is Pantosia? The Pantosia versus... No. Poria Islam. Sorry, what? I mean, this is more enjoyable than 302.

302 was not a great card. It was pretty bad. Okay, but the main event was amazing. Yeah. It was great. Kevin Holland almost breaking a dude's arms pretty wild. Oh, yeah. There's lots by the time we got to the card, the main card.

Maybe he was just thinking about his pocketbook and just, It was free. Yeah. Pretty bad. By the way, somebody tweeted us. They were like trying to take a shot, I think. I can't really tell. Rob Thomas tweeted so much for the over three and a half, huh?

New York, Rick and Mike Heck, for the record, Mike Heck. I said there would be a finish in this fight. He was picking a finish in this one under. So that's not on Mike Heck. That's on me. I thought this one was likely going longer. So no, Mike was on top of that one. And said Spivok.

said if it was a finish, it would be Spivok. My, my, my, my, um, the part of the fight I like the most was Bisbing asking Spivok. When Spiebock goes, you know, be honest. Were you going for, like, did you expect that to happen? And Spiebock just goes, well, I had a bad injury coming to the fight so I couldn't train. And Bisbing just goes, whatever. I was like, dude, the guy's like, man, this is like, the guy was like, the guy was like, I feel like, Spittaker because I was like, I just had a, it was mentally stressing as a main event.

I'm going against guy I lost against and I have to win this fight. If I want to, you know, achieve my dreams and Bidby just like, whatever. That to me feels like a, uh, I had to follow up. Well, for sure that, but it feels like he had this like great question in his head. And then like when the answer was not even related to it, I think he was just like, okay, so we have to move on now. from this that you have not answered. And he just like it came out as whatever.

You know, like in his head, he's like, oh, whatever. That wasn't what I was thinking. And it just, he spit out though, whatever. But yes, that would be worth potentially a follow-up of why things were so horrible. That's so funny. Paul Felder would have never done that, by the way. Felder would have been like, whoa, whoa, tell me when, tell me why, tell me how, which body part, who did it, what's his name? And Felder's great at that stuff.

And I enjoyed what Felder said by the arm bar too, because he kind of said, this is like basic, like you learn, you learn this arm bar in the first two weeks of Jiu-Jitsu, but he said, but to do it in this type of environment, which makes it so spectacular because it wasn't, yeah, it was basic. Just like, no, a basic jab is a basic job, but can you do it again at the right moment, the right time against all distress, all the lights, you know? And I like how Felder kind of, Bizbing was just like, oh, that's just a basic arm bar. It's like, but Felder was a little more like, no, it's a little more than that.

If you can do that at that moment, that's what makes great fighters. And don't, yeah. Don't we find that it is the guys who can like execute the fundamentals when it's at the highest level, when it's at the highest stakes. And it's not the complicated stuff. It's not the flying triangles. It's the jab. It's the rear naked choke. It's the things that really just like are meat and potatoes, but you put yourself in the right position when the lights are brightest.

and you execute it. And yeah, that's what I saw. I saw a guy execute a really nice submission in a great moment. Yeah. Actually, I need to. And it won't be remembered because it was so it was executed. So just the basics were executed. So it won't be remembered has one of the submissions of the year.

But to me, I love these type of submissions because it was just, this is how you're supposed to do it. And he did everything perfect. And Tabaro was just when you're just half a second behind against someone that knows exactly what they're doing, you will get. get submitted and very impressive. I didn't know Tyboro was never actually submitted in his entire career. That's so, uh, great performance. He's impressive. And he is clearly getting better. He's just clearly getting better. I think that's a big thing. I mean, I think it's a big takeaway.

I don't know where he's going to end up because he's giving me a top five. Who knows? But the man is getting better. And yeah, I, I'm not looking forward to any pre-fight theatrics or pre-fight drama. but next time he does fight, maybe at Almeda, I am interested definitely in seeing how he improves or is this it for him as far as moving up the ladder. So yeah. Yeah, and I think a lot of the preview show, we kind of talked about that, right?

Like, of the two, Spivoc was the one that we were like, he's come the furthest from that fight. Like, is it going to be far enough? Is Tybor going to be able to do the same thing? Spivok's the one who made the improvements. And, you know, it sounds like based on what you're saying and my takeaway is like he's improved more than I'm, maybe even gave him credit for or maybe even thought.

I mean, I picked Taubourg coming into this. And but I always say I love being wrong because, you know, that means I'm learning. I'm seeing things and my ideas are changing. So spit back is, I don't want to say he's a player yet, you know, in terms of, you know, top echelon. But I think one went away though. So, yeah. It's, heavyweight is so fascinating in this regard. And sorry for like delaying the questions.

but like I feel like a lot of people through let's let's call like let's say give a name like Alexander Volkov right you lose a few and all of a sudden it's just like you're never going to be a guy right they can't be a guy but now it's like actually maybe Volkov is a guy you know and then you get the fights that allow you to kind of establish that and kind of show like hey I deserve like this spot if he beats Charlton Almeida the next step up is in that territory where all of a sudden like you're talking about him like he's a guy. Now, the step between number five, four, three and champion is the most massive step, right? That is the hardest step to take. That is the monumental leap. But to get there is still viable at this moment, especially considering that performance. Like, it feels like a door has reopened for him in a way that maybe he was like cast aside a little bit. Like I mentioned with, I think Volkov, right? Volkov was somebody I feel like people kind of like, really like backed back back off real quickly once he once he faltered they're like eh that's it that's it's not going to happen for him and now he's in big fights again and could be setting himself up for

title opportunity so it's not impossible this is the path you you beat a jelton and then you beat the next guy and you're you're sitting right there going holy shit i'm two away i'm one away i know um if he wins two more he's probably getting it like he's right there well you probably find blades next I feel like they'd shove Alex Pereira or somebody else in there before they do that one. It could be a year before he sees speedback fight again. We don't know. It's been, it was a year before his last fight. So hopefully not.

I don't seem like they're in a huge rush to get him in there. Yeah, a meta fight does make a lot of sense. Maybe this is for, maybe I'll ask New York Rick because I know you have your little on next tomorrow. But I like, I like spitback versus blades next. next. I think that makes sense for both of them. My thing with that is you don't want Curtis Blades to halt the momentum of somebody like Spivak in this position because you can't really build on it. Like Curtis Blades is somebody who has had so many of those opportunities, right? He has had these big fights, numerous main events, numerous ones against guys who if you win, you're now going to get

the title shot. And so if he wins that, you've now put Spivak back. You've pushed him back and you've got blades in this kind of like no man's land where you can't like build off that win. Whereas I think with a Jolton, the momentum would be, oh shit, Jolton's back, right? Oh, that Blades loss was like a setback. He learned from it. And now you can build on, hey, Jolton's back. So I think it's one of those where like no matter who wins that one, you can kind of push them forward. Whereas, Whereas with Blades is really tough if Blades wins that fight. Like now it's like you're back to square one here like before he had any momentum. Fair, fair, fair.

I don't hate it as a style though. I'd watch, I'd watch Spivak versus Blades. No problem. All right. What we got for questions? Still waiting on bonuses. Don't have them yet. I think they canceled them tonight.

Oh, okay. That makes sense. I was going to say, I think it's very funny, I guess. that the UFC gives the same amount of money for these cards as they will for a a multi, multi, multi-million million dollar pay-per-view. Yeah. It's just weird. Okay, cool.

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thought it would be the worst card of the year, right? Like there's cards that we thought that, okay, maybe these will be better, and then they end up being worse. And I think that's actually a tougher pill to swallow. This one we kind of came in being like, yeah, it's poop. It's a poop. It's a poop card. And it ended up being a poop card.

So I kind of like, I'm more accepting of like this is what it was supposed to be. And then it ends up being that. I'm kind of okay. I'm more okay with that than if it's like expectations are elevated and then it fall short. It sounds like somebody earlier was saying like 302 is an example of that, right? Where maybe they built the expectations up to be like, oh my God, this is going to be amazing. And then it ends up not being, that can be a tougher pill to swallow. I'm kind of okay.

But yes, ultimately, like objectively, I can't think of a worse UFC card. So yeah, I think so. Is this the worst one, Casey? The bad cards, like you say a lot, like we see cards and then we'll just go, you know what? By Tuesday, we won't remember this card at all. And I think that's what happens a lot. Like, we've seen a lot of bad cards, and but I just kind of forget about them in two or three days.

I remember certain fights, but I don't remember the card as a whole. And by tomorrow morning, I will forget this card as a whole. I will remember specific fights. So basically, yes. Basically. Until you have new evidence, like, represented to you, the answer is yes. Until somebody reminds you about some other card, you're like, yeah, that's it. Yeah, it was just, it was a very uninspired, uninspired matchmaking, uninspired.

I don't want to say uninspired fighting because, no, that's not fair because the fighters came out there. It's a fist fight. They're doing, this is their dreams on the line. But has a viewing experience, it's, yeah, it's just. It's a really good point. Oh, the viewing experience is bad. The viewing experience is very bad. This felt, there are only, only 10 fights happened.

It felt like 19 fights happened. It did feel long. Casey makes a really good point, though, because when we as outsiders are talking about these cards, right, we talk about the lack of stakes. But for the fighters, every fight has high stakes, right? Every single fight that you have in the UFC is the highest possible stakes. You're fighting in the pinnacle of the sport, even if we as the outside observers are saying, this is the worst card of the year. For Sergei Spivak, this is one of the biggest wins of his life, right? for Yusef Zalalal, this is the momentum that is carrying forward into potential, like, rankings

and back and showing that his first run in the UFC was nothing. For Chipe Mariscal, it's the continuation of such an incredible UFC run so far. And so while we, you know, don't view the stakes, there's always those stakes for the fighters. And so it's important to just, I think, recognize that and good on Casey for doing it. I can't remember. There's not objective truths, though, about this not being an entertaining card and not having, like, stakes from a larger rankings perspective. There's truth to that. I mean, and, of course, when you're in there, it's totally different.

Like, I'm pretty sure when they interviewed Danny Barlow after the fight, he was like, man, that was a freaking war, man. And he was just like, oh, my God. You know, he was like, for him, those 15 minutes were like, oh, my God, oh, my God, this guy's trying to kill me. you know, you know, for him, but for us, we're like, yeah. We're like, this is what was supposed to happen. According to Jaron Val, he did kill him. Yeah. Blanked him.

It destroyed him. It was 3027. So, yeah. But yeah. All right. Do the questions. Do the super jets. Shout to the fighters, but he, yeah.

Tough him. And it's only because it's the freaking U.F. This is the pinnacle. That's why it is the UFC. And we have, we love MMA. We love seeing the sport at its best. And the UFC didn't give that to us. And they can't do it every week, but, you know,

we're here. Yeah. Just paste it. Like, there are certain things they can do to make it better. They could have paced this card better. And it would have been a, it would have been a better viewing experience. Still would have been not a great card,

it would have been a very bear like on a start if we like this post fight show should be over we should have been wrapped and packed with this thing an hour ago with the like if they paste this normally a real question for you on a card like this should they not just do like the dano white contender series thing should they not just be like yo let's rack them back to back like you we just go we just go fight fight fight fight fight and then we're out what is the what is the cell that we need here for like the commercial the promo, the this, to that,

like, let's just move. I feel like this is a perfect card to have done that. Dude, do you remember, like the old days

when they used to do, we'd get like two or three fight night cards on fight pass every year. Yeah. Those were a dream come true because those are just bang, bang,

bang. It was one fight into the next and those cards, even with a title fight, one of them had Eddie Alvarez challenging Huffield Os Santos for the lightweight title. There was like 13 fights on that card.

The card lasts like two and a half hours because there were no commercials, there were no prelims, middle prelims, then main card. They just rifled through all these fights. Like nothing. They should do that for all of these cards.

It's not like you're trying to sell ESPN subscriptions here. There was like two promos for 305 the entire card. It was crazy. That was actually odd. It's crazy. I guess, you know, ultimately it's no secret.

It's probably the commercial inventory, right? You have a certain allocation. of just like we need to have two minutes of commercials and you just can't they they sell them i would argue you could sell the commercials at a higher price and do less of them and maybe that's a solution but i'm not you know running running the show over there but yeah it just feels like this is not the one to have it be a slog but at the same time like the same thing i always say we're suckers and we tune in anyway so what do they care remember they used to for like the the fight nights before the pay-per-view they would bring in the two fighters by Zoom or something to do it like

they would in between like before the main event yeah yeah they would do something like that like there was always reminded this is the big fight before this is the fight car before the big fight and like yeah if you were if you blinked you wouldn't see any any hype or promos for the next paper view next week it's it's all just a week to week it's all just a week to week endeavor at this point it's like UFC 305 starts the moment this one ends and then they just go to their credit i feel like pfl does a lot of that right they're the ones kind of carrying that that forward which it's like francis is coming up let's bring in francis you know they try to do some of that stuff then they also interview like jeff fisher um randomly just because they're in

tennessee and stuff like that but they also do try to do like hey we've got a big event coming up let's bring in somebody so yeah and i prefer that but again like this this all seems to be monetary, which to the, they're a very successful business. I'm not about to, I'm not about to pretend that I can do business at the level that they do business. So they're doing something correctly, but from a fan experience perspective, like this, this could just be shorter. Yeah. Just real quick, before we go to the super chats, what were the commercials that you get over and over and over again? I know it's different for different regions or whatever. I got, I get like a million commercials for some EV Hummer and some. Oh, wow. I never go.

Oh, I get, it's EV Hummer commercial, every single break. And I get a, I must have watched this Idris Elba, Elba commercial for some AI thing. I saw it so many times. Which commercials do y'all get over and over? I'm forgetting what the one of the night to night was, but the one that I've been getting all the time recently is the Burger King. Like, I get a lot of Burger King. That's my, that's my one. BeK.

Have it your way, your way. Yeah. It rules. You rule. Yeah. Mine was, I got Wonderboy, Kevin Holland, Jose Cuervo. I get that a few times. Yeah, I get that one, certainly, yeah.

Yeah. But it was BK. I never have gotten the Hummer. So that must be like they're trying to sell you Hummers out there. Yeah, yeah. I never got that. I mean, I'm thinking because I own a fully EV car, but I would never get a Hummer, but they're trying to sell me a Hummer EV.

So I'm like, okay. So I was just wondering if everyone got it. I assume we all had different commercials. I didn't know if it was based on the region. the country or just what we're searching for on Amazon. I don't know. I don't think they're that specific, but I do think they're targeted. But I don't think they're like they're not, um,

the webpage ad specific where it's like you talked about this in a conversation with your friend and then all of a sudden you see it. It's not that specific. Yeah, just kind of curious. All right, Super Jets. Let's do this. Oh, we have our good friend, Akita's Jr. Still no bonuses, by the way.

Rick, enjoy your vacation, dude, you deserve it. Thank you guys for the content, send positivity. Who the, like, excuse me, who tapped into a killer's junior's account? Wow. Wow. We got another one from McKitties Jr. Hold on. We got another one.

Psych up you step on a Lego. Got him, got him. Oh, my God. Wow. You had me fooled. He had me fooled. I thought. I thought for a second we were going positive.

I thought today was the day on the on the on the on the, on the, uh, the aftermath in the aftermath in the wake of what was potentially the worst UFC card of the year ahead of a fight that I am anticipating greatly with UFC 305. I thought this was the moment we turned the corner. This is when the page turns and to kill his junior and I squash the beef and and settle all debts. Well, we'll play to kill us, but I will not forget.

I will, I will. I will forgive, but I will not forget. Don't worry. Lazy bed will come through with something spicy. All right. We got another super chat. Oh, man. I hope you step on a Lego just hits differently.

Sike. I mean, with kids, that's like, that's a real, like, wishing harm on that. That's brutal. Stephen, the boys. Get GC on BTL again. I have two questions about the big boys. One, can we get a cheeky top five heavyweights of all time? Two, why is Kane Velasca's considered one of the best?

Good luck in your fight. No sleeves, Casey. Yeah, J. Ellis, baby. J. Ellis, Valles. Close mouths don't get fed, Jay Ellis. Let's go. I don't have a top five off domes. I'm going to have to do a little looking.

But Kane Velasquez would certainly be in it, right? I think at the peak of his powers, he's possibly the best. skilled, the most skilled heavyweight, right? There are no deficiencies. If he's standing up with you, he's probably better. If it comes to a late fight, the cardio, he's probably better. Comes to the grappling, he's probably better. He's better than most dudes in their expertise.

He's just extremely well-rounded. And like, outside of injuries, the dude was kind of like unstoppable. Like, other than just his body falling apart, he was one of one. So Kane is definitely in there. I don't think this is like top five heavyweights to me doesn't mean like who strung together the most wins in the, like Derek Lewis is going to have more UFC wins than Kane Velazquez. That does not mean that he is a better fighter. So I'm going to definitely have Kane in there. But now let me think about like how I fell out the rest of that.

I mean, I mean, I think Fador has got to be in there. I think Fador Steepay, Fador Steepay, Fador Steep Aane is like kind of like for sure. a three. Although man, like where do you put big dog? It's like yeah, no gnaug pro cop it gets hard because like the UFC and pride like you you kind of either go one way or another on it.

Yeah, there's a lot of ways to go with this like there's case for like Verdome Totally there's cases for I mean there's Overeem I mean there's cases for a lot of these guys yeah I think those three are like yeah I think those three are like they have to be in there

Kane, Steepa, Fador. Yeah, King Steepa, Fadour, kind of like right there. Frank Muir could be in there. I mean, there's so many. Stipe is in there just for, to me, like, consistency. Yeah. It's weird because I don't consider him like, like, I would, like, I would have him losing against, like, prime this version, prime this version, prime this version, prime

this version of these great fighters. But, but much like why I love Demetrius Johnson, during his run, even on his worst nights, he still won. He showed up and won. And until he did it, but yeah. He was the best of an era, right? That is his legacy. There was an era where things were changing.

There was a changing of the guard. And he was the guy who took the belt and ran with it at a time that there was some like instability. But to your point, in a fight against most of these guys, I don't know where I'd have them really. Like I, I personally think Daniel Cormier is a better heavyweight than Steepa Miochich, right? I rank I rate Cormier higher,

right? But Stepe has wins over Cormier that make it hard to ignore. With Cormié being on the back end of his career and Steepa just taking advantage of that. But he was the best of an era. That's, and that's the way you kind of, like the same way Fader was the best of an

era, right? Now, his error was longer, right? A very long reign for Fador. He was the best for a long time. But he was also the best of an era. And then when that era ended, there was opportunity, right? There were guys like Brock and Kane who could come up. And all of a sudden,

we're thinking about who is the best heavyweight. But Stepe had an era. Stepe had a run, no doubt. And so I think he belongs in the conversation. But to your point, like 1 v1, like there's guys I'd pick over him, certainly. You know, the name we're not mentioning at all. And I don't, and I believe,

depending on the results of his next fight, we'll be talking a lot more about him in this list was Francis. Sure. Because Francis is like right there and then it's more just about long. Francis just didn't have the longevity yet, much like Tom Aspinon. I think we all believe that Tom Aspenon can get to that kind of whatever we want to call that Mount Rushmore or five or whatever. Yeah. But now it just takes time now.

It's just time. The trickiest one for me is for doom, man. Because like he belongs there. He belongs there. Like just for how long he did it and then having the biggest wins. Like it's hard. It's impossible to argue against. But it's one of those things where, much like Steepa, you feel like, would I pick him against like Prime Fador?

Would I pick him against Prime Kane Velasquez? You wouldn't. But when he met them, you know, like this is how this goes. So it's a difficult one. Heavyweight is the hardest one for me because I feel like it's not as cut and dried the way the other divisions are. It's like you name the top of alter weights, you know them. You know them off the top. You name the top middle weights.

you know them off the top. It's harder for heavyweight. There's really been nobody outside of Fador who really just completely dominated a time. And that was what Fodor is. Yeah. And he's obviously on there. Anybody would have him.

But he's the only one that I think like, but whereas you look at these other times, it's like, Izzy has this long title rank, but so does Anderson Silva, right? There's these, there's these just guys that are so obvious at these other divisions.

Heavyweight is hard. Heavyweight is a hard one. I've never been able to really like make heads or tails of it. That's funny. I haven't really talked about the best heavy weights in a while. I haven't had that little watercruer talking a bit. It's kind of fun. All right.

Yeah. That's what's great about this list. You can throw anybody in there. Cabbage? Like you just throw cabbages in there. Cabbage Greer. Just running rumble in the rock, baby. Hell yeah.

West Sims, right? We could throw all these guys in there. Oh, yeah. I think we all can kind of agree 100% prime fully healthy Caine Velasquez may have been every human in the world. Yes, I agree with that. Yeah. But that window was so small.

It was just so small. His body just didn't last. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of NBA guys like that too. You think about like Grant Hill or Penny Hardaway or Tracy McGrady that like they were the most talented guys you've ever possibly seen. And their bodies were just like, no, sorry, can't do it. It's unfortunate.

But yes, I think in his prime. Kane had no, no weaknesses. He was just, he was just amazing at everything and better than you everywhere, even at your best. Your best thing, he was better than you at. It's hard to beat that guy. Kane was Tom Asinol before Tom Aspenol was Tom Asphenol. Like, the legend of Kane in the gym and like anyone who's seen this guy train with anybody,

all said the same thing in like 2014, 2015. Like even before that, there's like, this dude is the best I've ever seen. Yeah, think about how two- I don't really know, but they all said it. They all said it. Think about how two-weight world champion Daniel Kormier talks about Kaine. Like, you don't have to be like a rocket scientist to figure out, like, how good that dude was. What a Kain, what a can't fight at around 2.30 around there?

I feel like less than that, no? Maybe, maybe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and like Fador and D.C., small heavyweights. Yeah. Yeah, very cool. Thank you, thank you, Stephen. That was a kind of fun, I don't know.

Yeah, good stuff. All right, a couple more super chats. Oh, we got bonuses. Oh, bonuses? Right. We got bonuses. Boy, I've never seen this before. Oh.

No fight of the night. Shocker. Three performance of the nights. Oh, they just, did they give a double bonus any one. They just saved money. Save money. I think they're pocketing it. Wow. Wow. I'm going to go out on a on a massive limb and say it is the three finishes on the card. Correct. Wow. Good job. You guys are good.

You guys are good at what you do. It's why you're the best new business. You just so well Kazama and stringy and get bonuses. If Jepa Mariscall made weight, he should Yeah, he should have definitely got a bonus. He beat the shit out of Damon Jones. Yeah, that was an impressive performance. I wanted Jackson's corner to throw the towel one. He did not eat that beating.

He was not coming back from that. No, you know, yes, I agree. I agree he was not going to win that fight. But man, he is one of those guys that just like, he's a dog and they've probably seen him do stuff in the gym where it's like he comes back. And like, do you throw a towel for Darren Elkins? Like, I guess you just, like,

there are certain guys you just never throw. a towel for because you've seen the craziest possible things happen. They're so tough and they can and they can really find ways to win even in circumstances where you think they can't. I don't know. It's not about that. It's about what Damon Jackson's got a family. I know.

How is this brain going to be in three years? I know. I'm all thinking about people and stuff. Not media entertainment right now. It is a broken system because if they throw in a towel. he goes. Yeah, I watch enough boxing now. And like, I see Tall was throwing it all the time.

I'm like, why? Yeah, but I got it. Oh, oh, you're saying too early, too prematurely in boxing. Well, I think it's because I'm so used to the MMA world where like, yeah, yeah, yeah, has to die. And the referee has to take a nap during the fight. And not, I forget he's, yeah, I don't know, you know, it has to be an incredibly late stoppage by the ref for the corner to throw it in. But in boxing, I see it all the time.

Like, oh, that guy lost, he just got beat up. for two rounds pretty bad. The corner's just like, you know what? I just don't want my guy to get knocked out because he's not coming back from this. Well, there's potentially that feeling of like,

I don't want to see my guy, I don't want to see my guy get knocked out. But there's also the reality that boxers taking sustained blows to the head like lead to deaths every year. Like it is, it is a more dangerous sport, frankly. Like if we're measuring danger by like mortality

and fatality rates, Like, boxing is more dangerous. And so I kind of understand the quicker pull. I understand like the towel coming in sooner because we see dudes who like are fine. Then by the time they're like starting to walk back to the locker room or passed out and don't make it. And that is some harrowing shit. Like if you're a if you're a corner man. So I get the early pull.

But I also don't feel like MMA is good in that regard because it is such a it is such a hard system to break out of when it's show win. and you have to back your guy and then all of a sudden you throw in the towel and he's like, why'd you throw it in? I was going to win the fight. I completely get them not throwing it. I understand. I just, I would like the...

I get it. I wish the mindset would change a little more. But thank you. Did we answer to this? Oh, sorry. Super chat here. Well, a 305 watch party happened at the World's Most Famous with Shue Manchin next week.

Yes, hopefully we could finally see Ben Ropper's first time. That one's going to last for us. That might be my favorite watch party reaction of all time. Your guy's reaction was so good. It just kept coming back. Yes, it's going to happen. That might be, next weekend might be one of the craziest weekends that I've ever had covering this sport.

Okay. Because I was. So my drive from here in South Carolina to Atlanta for the watch party, then I'm going to take an early morning flight from Atlanta to New York City. city like hours after the card ends. And I'm going to go cover. I'm going to go to the theater at MSG. And I'm going to cover the Jake Paul, Mike Tyson press conference, which is also starring

Peyton Manning of all people. So that should be fun. And then I'm going to cover that, get that all squared away, probably walk around fanatics fest. I think there's going to be some UFC fighters there as well, try to get a couple things. And then I'm going to go back to the airport. I'm going to fly home.

Well, I'm going to fly back to Atlanta. And then I'm going to get in the car and drive from Atlanta back to South Carolina. then I'm going to go to bed. So it's going to be, uh, it's like four hours, three and a half, four hours. Yeah, it's just long enough where it gets, yeah, yeah, yeah, they'll get a little, a little sleep, take the kid to school, and hopefully if I can go back to sleep for the rest of the day, until I have to pick him up from school. So yeah, it's going to be fun.

It's going to be fun. Respect. Sol reclop, hi from Tijuana, uh, at the moment, uh, Puerto Vallerta. Casey, I'll hit you when I get back next Tuesday in Mexico. We don't get any commercials. The transmission just continues to know commentary and we get some inside look. I've gotten that a couple of times and I watched the fights on Hulu instead of ESPN Plus because Lord knows that ESPN Plus app works 50% of the time.

Had to reset it twice tonight. Yep. So I always forget that you could just go on Hulu and watch it. And I never have any issues with Hulu. Thank you for telling me that. I completely forgot about Hulu. You're right. That never fails on Hulu.

And, sir, I hope we can work this out because I would love to go to T.J. and train. That sounds very fun. Thank you much. So all coming together. All coming together for the J. Ellis fight. J. Ellis, signed the contract. Signed the contract, Jay. A little cage titans embedded from T.J. Let's go. Mark Coleman, greatest heavyweight of all time in the UFC.

I'm going to say probably, Not but worth recognition, right? Like Mark Coleman is an absolute stud. A pioneer. A pioneer. I say more so than like greatest. I don't think he belongs in that conversation, but he certainly is one of the ones that kicked off like this idea of what a great heavyweight could look like.

Yeah. Both literally and figured it. Talk about a man that looked apart too. Yeah, totally. Still that. Still does. Yeah. All right.

Here we go. A couple more super chats. Lizabeth. Rick, get the Legos out the crib. I need an apex nap. There you go. We're going to keep that safe back there.

Stephen. Yes. G. NvTL. Something Alex versus Tom. Alex was Tom headline UFC Sol Lake. John can't deny the winner. He will get paid and it bangs.

It's not going to happen. No. That's not the fight. No, no, no. No, it won't happen. And John can't completely deny the winner. He absolutely can, and he will.

He absolutely can. He absolutely can. But, okay, but I need to defend John Jones here. Wait, before we move on, I need to defend John Jones here. If they made the contract worth his while, he would fight them. It's not, it is not. You'd fight Pereira. Oh, he'd fight Tom Aspinall if they made it worth his while.

this is this is it and and it frustrates me to no end that we have to always have this conversation if the UFC cut the check for John Jones to fight Tom Aspinall and it was the appropriate amount of money he'd be fighting him in November and if the UFC cut the check for John Jones to fight Francis and Ganu for those last two years before Francis Ganu left the UFC he'd be fighting Francis Ngano. And Francis and Ganu, if they cut him the check, he'd still be a UFC fighter. It's all about the check.

Nobody's scared of anybody. They all have to take risks at some point. It just has to be worth their while to take that risk. And if John Jones has Tom Aspinall's name in front of them and it comes with two extra zeros on the contract, you can bet your ass he'd be signing it. So it's the UFC that needs to step up their game. It is not John Jones.

I'll push back on one thing you just said. Okay. Tell me. And it has nothing to do with what you said about John Jones because everything. Okay. True. The Francis thing, I do push back on slightly. Not saying that they offered Francis everything they could have offered him.

I actually think at that point in time, they could have offered him all of those things and more. And France would have been like, nah, I'm just kind of sick of your bullshit. I'm out of here. You know what I mean? So. That could very well be true. I know you're trying to say, though. Yeah.

No, totally. I'm talking more, I'm talking more before that, before it got to that point. But yes, you're right. By the end, I think it was probably a no win situation for them. Like he was going to feel more respected elsewhere. But when we're sitting there for- Absolutely true. It's absolutely true. Yeah, when we're sitting there for two years talking about this shit and then Dana saying,

Francis is scared, then John's scared, then they're both scared, then they're neither scared, whoever's scared, everybody's scared. Cut the check and nobody's scared, I promise. Like, if you cut the check, nobody's scared. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. That's it. That's it.

That's it. All right. I don't know. What do you think headline? What do you think will headline Salt Lake? My girl. Juliana Pena of the Parlay Pals, baby. No, I didn't ask a little co-headline Salt Lake.

I'm asking what will headlinks. Oh. I think that will headline. I mean, I don't know what else we got. There is a world. There is a world where. and that does happen. I think it does.

I think it does headline, but I think we might get a, a rando BMF title. That would be the co-main event. Because that will be the true main event, but it won't fight. It won't be the main event, but it's going to be the one that all the clicks are for.

So I've been saying this, and then all of a sudden, Armand said this, right? I've been saying like, you could make an interim lightweight title even though it seems like Islam is going to come back soon and Armin came out in front and was like I'd fight Dustin or I think Justin he said

right like I think those are the two names that he said or Chandler for an interim title that is a good fight those are good fights if you if you have to like if you if you are the UFC and you feel compelled like we have to quote unquote save it right like this has to be something you can do worse than that but I don't know

if I'd watch the hell out of it I know Mike doesn't want, doesn't want, um, Chandler to step into the title opportunity in that way. No, it's the same reason that Kamara Usman shouldn't be fighting Balamahman for the Walter White title.

Oh, that's, the dude doesn't want to fight in years and you got finished at his last one. And Kamara doesn't want to fight since 2021. 2021 was last time Kamara Usman wanted to fight. You cannot give this man a title shot. Sorry, win one fight against anybody. And then you can have it.

I'd watch it. I'd watch it. You'd watch what? Chandler and Arndh. And Camaro versus Belal. Let's do it. I'm in. Over Shafka.

I would lose my gosh darn mind. I would lose my mind. It's so egregious and ridiculous. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The dude is 0 and 3 in his last three fights. In his last three fights. But he fought so valiantly in two of them.

He choked and got head kicked. that he lost, then he lost clearly, and then he lost the Hamza. Like, I'm sorry. Like, respect. I love, I have immense respect for Kvara Usman. I really, but I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. You cannot give a guy who's lost three fights in a row. Oh, well, someone's take on this whole situation was Usman should get it because Usman's almost retired and Shafkat has, plenty of time. The hell are you talking about? That is ridiculous. You know what?

The Chiefs can't play in the Super Bowl because we have to let Tom Brady in there. Even though the Chiefs won the AFC Championship, even though they've won all of the games, they won 15 in a row, and they're blowing the doors out of everybody. Tom Brady, this might be Tom's last season, so we have to let him play in the Super Bowl.

What the fuck are you talking about? Let the bulldozer fight for the title. Give him his money. Give him his title. Very good. Very good. I like the rounders there. Counterpoint or devil's advocate.

I mean, is this not the Steep Abe Miotritch title shot that we're seeing right now? Like it is essentially that, right? Like it's like he's, this is the last. This is the last hurrah. Like we give it to him. So like, yeah, Kamar Osman, it's your turn. Let's do it. I'm in.

I also just love winding you up right now because you are very passionate about this. So I'm enjoying this. But, um, okay. Here's, here's the only other alternative I will accept. The only other alternative I will accept is you bench Belaw Muhammad for the next

nine months. He doesn't fight again to the middle of 2025. And then you do Usman versus Shafkat. Then I'm okay with that. But Balal should not be fighting anybody. Like, if they just do Usman, Yeah, if Shafqqad is healthy and they do Usman versus Bilal in December or something and

shopcott is like healthy and ready to fight, put me on the reaction show because I'm going to blow a gasket. I want to be on two because I want to see Mike in real time. It's going to be real bad. It's going to be real bad. My first thought was like just throw Bilal in at Salt Lake. I know he just fought, but if I'm Bilal, honestly, like if I am Belal Mohammed right now, I think his best chance to beat Shafkat is to fight that dude real quick.

Like, don't give this dude three months, give him like seven weeks and throw him in elevation. And that's your, I think that's his best chance to beat him. Here's where that plan falters is you say that. And then Shavkat goes, I can't fight on that timeline. And then you get Kamar Ushman versus Bilal Muhammad on short notice in Salt Lake City. That's exactly how that plays out. That's exactly. You have created the scenario where Usman does fight.

But you think Oosman's, but you think Oosom would take that his last shot in the title shot? Oh, yeah. I think he's taking a title fight no matter what. I think he's taken it no matter what. I think he's literally one winning against anybody in the top 15 away from getting a title shot. No matter who wins Belal versus Shafkat. Doesn't matter. I think you take it.

Fight Gary, fight JDM. Fights, Wonderboy, I don't give a shit. Just win one fight. Those all come with a risk. Those all come with a risk. gift you a title shot you take that bad boy and you cash that check you cash that check and you fight him in salt lake i mean i'll be honest i don't think they feel like they quote unquote have to save this card i think it will be now painted versus pennington ultimately do arman versus duster

i'm down for that i'd be hilarious it'd be hilarious of like it'd be hilarious of like usman or shafcott couldn't go and they do like ballal versus chanler which should just be like the most bizarre warped friggin thing that we've ever seen. It's like Mike, the title and defends the title against Connor McGregor. Oh my God. Yeah, it's like, Mike, we, we just ran out of time to like figure out this Connor thing with you. Like, we'll put you in the, in the championship position where Connor can probably make the weight of that weight class.

So let's do that. And then hopefully he'll want to fight you. Yeah. Yeah, dude, we might get Rekal versus Juliana in Salt Lake. Who the hell knows? That card's actually like. Like, yeah. Card's actually pretty solid.

I like the card. It's going to be, if it is Juliana versus Raquel, it's going to be one of those that's like, this is a solid card that's missing a little bit of oomph at the top. But like, that fight's good. It's a good fight. There's a lot of history there. There's a lot of drama. I think Juliana will do her job in terms of trying to rile up Raquel. And I think Raquel is a good one to do that with because she's so.

genuine and she will just take offense to it and be like genuine in response and be like I hate like I hate this I don't want to do this BS and she will like instead of trying to like play it up instead of trying to like go back and forth with the trash talk she's going to just be so indignant about her the way Juliana is talking that I think it'll I think it'll ultimately be okay it'll it'll be fine and then you roll into December 1st I mean wayley she would be comaine I'm fine with that Wayley Tatiana or way I mean is that in all women's like main what does the main card look like right now it's a great question um jos aaldo's fighting on that car oh that's right josie aldo's on it so you'd have to assume he will be uh on that main card riddo cala harrison's certainly going to be

on the main card yeah but i was just thinking right right like Kayla is in um tisha and carlo are on the card mozare of loy of aljermain sterling Chris courage, Kevin Holland. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jose Alto, Mario Batista. It wouldn't be an all-women's main card. But actually, I mean, top to bottom, you're looking at some sick fights here. Yeah, Harrison Vieira, Marina Rodriguez, Yasmin Lucindo.

Ehor Potieri versus Cesar Almeida. Someone's going night night real quick in that one. I don't see a bad fight here. Yeah, Carlos Barzo Tisha Pennington. Last fight of Carlos Barz's career. I'm okay if I'm the UFC. I say Salt Lake, you got a good card. Here's Pena and Pennington.

Championship fight. Let's do it. Yeah. All right. Salt Lake is paying for this one. Steven. Jesus, man. He loves Connor, huh?

Shout out to this guy. He really wants to get Connor on BTL. $52, super chatting and it was worth it. You are the man. So many ice coffees to be had. You boys deserve every dollar, shots and squats. Whoop, whoop. Stephen, you rule.

Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you, Stephen. And, yeah, David Sandine with one. I'm not sure. I let you guys read this. Thoughts of the UFC Apex being closed for eight months for renovation. Rumor has that it's going to be rebranded and themed re-ad season presents the Apex.

I don't know if this is a joke or not. I don't know. No, so I've been seeing this circulating a lot that there is apparently some scuttle butt about the Apex closing for renovations. I have no inside track on it. So I have not like there's nothing for me to say on it. But I, but it is not, I am not unaware of the fact that people are talking about it. Nobody I have heard talk about it is anybody that has reporting in their job description. So I, that's how I'm taking.

Okay. I've seen photos of like dirt around the apex of like expansion. to the building of some kind, but I honestly have no idea. I would be stunned if they, I would be stunned if they just close operations for eight months when they have to put all these cards on. You're telling me they're just,

they're just not going to do an apex card for eight months. They just built apex, what, five years ago? I just don't, yeah, but they're, they're building it out. They're expanding it. Oh, expanding. Yeah, they're making it. Oh, yeah. They're making it bigger.

Oh, it's just bigger bigger. Okay, I thought it was like a whole new thing. Just put some, just put some yellow tape and cones around the construction area and just keep the octagon where it is. The fights can still happen to the apex. It would have more color and flare and emotion in there with all the construction going on than it did tonight. I could tell you that right now. Going in the background. Yeah, I won't mind.

That was the darkest I've ever seen in the apex. It just like, that was the, I'm going to make fans. You noticed that too? They did no fans even like the $2,000 tickets or what is it for a fan to go to the apex fight? Yeah, something stupid. They blacked out the whole crowd, like the whole entire event. I've never seen.

I've never seen that before. Never seen it where it's just like looking like a pro rutt, like an AW show at a big arena where they just like black out everything behind the first like five rows. So it looks like it was bizarre. It was bizarre. Okay. and our last super chat comes comes from our great friend Chase No longer pissed drunk of the airport what did I miss?

Watch the Spivak fight and you're good yeah yeah watch us a lot he was fun yeah and yeah we had to watch the spitback fight because you got to know the storyline for the eventual type of spitback trilogy that's right yeah go find Tom on Twitter he'll say yeah go find Tom on Twitter who tweeted us earlier, he will give you all the storylines coming out of this card that we'll surely be talking about for months and years to come coming out of this one. And that is that it? One more. One more.

It's just this one's. Shout out to the boat. She's waiting. She's like, when is the show wrapping up? Because we have spaghetti eat. Wow. Let's take. Last call for Super.

I'm just kidding. Yeah, we don't want to ruin dinner time. By the way, let me just throw this out there. Mike, but what about Kamara Usman versus Belal Muhammad? Ooh, that makes a lot of sense. I like it. Yeah, we should dig deep on that, actually, for a bit. Because I don't know, Kamara, how many more fights is he having him? You got to get him, you got to retire anytime. In order for him to get a title shot in a realistic world, two,

which means he has to win one, preferably against an Ian Gary or a Jack Delam, Adelena, and then get a title shot. But God, I'm going to, they're going to put Usman in this fight. I'm going to lose it. I'm going to friggin lose it. If Shafcott is hurt and can't fight, okay. I could deal with that. But if Shafcott is like, all right, I'm ready to go,

Marty in training camp, and I'm fighting, and Dana starts yelling and screaming in his war room against Kamara Ousband, the greatest welterweight in the history of welterweights that include George St. Pierre. don't know what you're talking about if you don't love kamar ozman versus bala maham you don't even know what you're talking about if you don't have kamar ozman number two on your pound for pound this behind john then you're a fucking idiot it's gonna happen isn't it by the way on to the next one we're recording it tonight so if you want to get your matchmaking picks and get him in now good

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