MMA Fighting - UFC Vegas 98 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Brandon Royval Outlasting Tatsuro Taira In Classic

Episode Date: October 13, 2024

Brandon Royval and Tatsuro Taira delivered the goods in the main event of Saturday's UFC Vegas 98 event at the APEX, and while Taira proved he belongs at the top of the flyweight division, it was the wily veteran who got his hand raised at the end of the night. Following the latest UFC Fight Night event, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew react to Royval's split decision win over Taira in the incredible headliner, the one scorecard for Taira, what we learned about both fighters, and where both go following the five-round classic. Additionally, they discuss Grant Dawson's fantastic night at the office — both in his fight and the post-fight interview — who got bonuses, other standout moments from the event, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah, listen to the victory horns. Listen to the motorcycle outside somebody's house right now. That's you? Yep. People are rushing home to get to their computers, to get to their screens. For this program, the UFC Vegas 98 post-fight show, as the UFC's long-away to return to the world's most famous Apex is officially in the books. and Brandon Royval gets it done, pulls off the upset,

cashes a plus 240 ticket in the process, and he defeats Tutsu-O-Tyra and just a super fun main event. What a fight it was. Fly-Wates, everybody, flyweight. Congratulations to Brandon Royval. Tatsuro Tira was on the losing end of the split decision, but proved he belongs at the top of this division, and we have lots to discuss when it comes to UFC Vegas 98.

Thank you for joining us. I am Mike Hack and back with us in Atlanta. The fantasy MMA guru himself, the man who just is racked up the points. He is Jed Mishu, Mr. No Gray area himself. Jed, how's the fantasy team doing? RIP, my fantasy team. Look, I'm playing the game the right way. So I can look myself in the mirror. I can hold my head up high.

I'm going about this honorably. Some other contestants are very much not going about. dishonorably and they drafted people that you've never heard of because they lack honor whereas my team is all hitters and through a cool cool twist of fate the only people who are like actively scoring points on my team are people that I hate drafted that I really didn't want to draft but was like I guess I'm going to do it because why not so yeah uh tatsura tyra you didn't let me down because that was an unbelievable fight but I had hoped I had big dreams for us and they will be deferred another dream deferred mike it was a fantastic fight

when i were when i started hearing jo martinez read out the decision i'm like oh my god is this going to be another one of those splities that go the wrong way because i thought this is a pretty easy fight to score like i know you can maybe look at a couple of the rounds is maybe a 10 8 but we know at this point with how the judges are scoring things no one wants to give a 10 8 no one wants to give a 10-10. No one wants to take that risk, so we knew we were going to get a bunch of 10-9s. I just don't see how you can give Tyra three rounds in this fight. I just don't see a world where that's feasible. I was a little stunned by the split decision, especially seeing 40. I mean, if you want to do 47-47, if this ended up a draw, I wouldn't have been that surprised,

but I don't know how you can give Tyra a card overall. Yeah. It would be bad. think it was Sal Demoto who did it and he gave Tyra the first round which is insane puzzling very very very puzzling um i thought that like you said this was pretty straightforward to score who won rounds and pretty clearly brand of all won three rounds tutsura tire won two and then the only discrepancies that i think are reasonable are how you want to score those rounds how many points got awarded because my scorecard is extremely different from most people's as is kind of has become the case. But ultimately, I got to the same end point that Brandon Morval won the fight.

He deserved to win the fight. Should have come down to the fifth round, and it did. But for Sal Demado, the fifth round did not matter. So not his best night. He had a couple of other tough scorecards, as I believe, based on the Twitter reactions. So, yeah, ultimately, the right guy won. And this is one of those, you know, losses that doesn't take too much away from touch. to retire just had a split decision with the number one ranked guy even if maybe the split part of

its nonsense he had an incredibly hard fought fight with the number one ranked guy went five rounds for the first time looked like he was dead to rights at the end of round three and then battled back to like make this a real scrap one of the better fights of the year you know it it may get some votes for fight of the year at the end of the year depending on how things shake out the next couple of once. So no real losers and the right guy ultimately, you know, leaves with the win. Sal DiMato also was the descending score in the Daniel Rodriguez Alex Marono fight, the one guy to score for Alex Merno gave Morono round rounds one and two, which is certainly a scorecard. I think we could say that a lot about Sal DeMato, but perhaps we'll talk about that

and a little bit later on. But this reminded me of, I was thinking about one specific fight we talked about on a post-fight show and then it hit me. It's not exactly the same, but it's a little bit different. This is very Corey Sanhagen's song-y-dong-esque

in the aftermath of it all, where the Wiley Veteran comes through, gets it done, and the young up-and-comer learned some lessons, but proved that ultimately he is the guy that a lot of people thought he was.

was. Tetsura Tira showed a lot of gusto in this fight. I was with you, Jed. I even tweeted out, Tyra's cooked after round three. He looked just like he wasn't going to be in that cage much longer, but the man just comes through with just a reckless abandoned fourth round. Brandon Royval cannot escape this man's grasp in any way, shape, or form. Tira is the real deal. And Brandon Royval thought so as well. I loved what he had to say. in the post-fight interview saying, this guy's going to be a world champion. If you ever get to Denver, Colorado, you want to train with us,

I can help you become a champion. Hell, if you just need a ride, if you just need me to pick you up and bring you somewhere in Denver, I'll be happy to do that. I thought that was absolutely fantastic. But Tetsura-Tira, stock raised tremendously. What else can you say about the young man, Jed? No, man.

Like, this is every, not everything you wanted to see. I thought his striking was very, very poor today, frankly. worse than I anticipated. He's never been much of a striker, but he's been kind of coming along, and I don't know whether it was just that Roy Val showed him some looks he wasn't prepared for, but he looked like he regressed. We knew the things that he does well.

And this is a little bit on Brandon Royval too. Royval let him back in that fight. We were talking about it in Slack during the fight. Like, Reval has always been a bit of a suspect fight IQ guy, and that was really on display here as, After round two, when he spent the entire round completely stuck, like a tireo almost immediately gets the back body lock, puts in the body triangle, we're just there.

His corner comes back and is very clear to him, very clear-headed, hey, you're too much with this kid on the feet. No more kicks. We don't really need to be doing the kicking thing anymore. Just beat him with your boxing. And go to guard. If he does get you down, we're moving to guard. You can play from there.

Don't give up your back for any reason. And he says, yep, okay. and he comes out and in round three he is clubbing down to a tyra to death and then ultimately makes kind of a wonky little mistake and gives up his back there's that i don't remember if that was the time he went for the arm bar and that led to it or if that came in a later sequence going for that arm bar from the back was an insane maneuver at that point in time and then round four he immediately kicks tyra just runs into the fence and then he does the, I'm going to spin to my back to break hands.

And I get that like that's the meta of MMA currently is you want to give your backup along the fence, break grips and clear to space. Well, the moment he did that, Tyra got hopped on to his back and drugging back down. And his core was like, what the hell are you doing, man? He let Tyra back in this and credit to Tyra. He took it. You opened the door? Yes, please.

I will happily walk in. And then round five, you saw it Reval, do the smart thing, battle through it. And it was just a hell of a scratch. So I don't take too much away from Tyra. Even there were certainly nits to pick here. His cardio, he fought hard, but looks like he probably could use a little more work in that realm. He was so gassed at round three. Striking still needs to come a long way, but kids 24 years old and he's one of the top five guys in the world.

Sky's the limit for him. And I agree with Brandon of all. I believe he is a future champion. completely agree and i completely agree with the roeval fight IQ stuff and you know normally it was always the royval from lFA the roival who first came into the ufc just an absolute lunatic in there just full bore insane movement you never know it was coming just reckless and maybe that was to his detriment at times he's somewhat toned that down a little bit and yeah there were there are some definite mistakes here. Round three, I think he could have finished

Tutsuro Tira. There was a moment where he heard him with that knee, dropped him, and then instead of letting him back up and continuing to strike with him, he just goes back down with him. You mentioned the arm bar and then Tira gets on top and didn't do enough to steal the round, but at least made it interesting and had full momentum heading into round four. Like, he just got to be better. And then his team reamed him out as expected heading into round four. But a big win for Brandon Royville. He calls us to be the backup fighter. Not for the title fight, but for the Edmonton fight, but please. Well, he did both, but I, the funniest part of the whole fight was coming back to the corner after round four.

And before his coach is even saying, Rival's like, I know, I know. I like, because he knows they're about to get on his ass for fucking up. And he's like, I know I know. Like, I know where we're at. I got it. It's two, two. I screw up. I'm sorry.

I'll be better. And I was just like, yeah, man. Like you had four minutes of being body triangle to be like, ah, I screwed up here. That's a mistake. So it was very funny. But yes, he called for multiple backup fights. Multiple backup fights, yes. I, uh, because all I heard was the Edmonton one.

And then I had to write up the recap of the actual fights. After he calls the Edmonton one, he then says, and at 310, I'm flying out to wherever that one is or whatever. I'll be there for that one too. I deserve to beat. I've beaten everybody in the top five. I'm the baddest dude in this division, yada yada. So is he next regardless of what happens with Pants and Asakura?

Or does he need Ascura to win? He doesn't necessarily need it. I think he needs Brandon Moreno to beat Amir Al-Bazi. If Brandon Moreno beats Amir al-Bazi, I think Royvah is probably ahead of Moreno right now, particularly if Pants wins. I think they would go to that fight over another Pantoja-Morino fight, but maybe not. I think it is the classic,

we talk about this all the time. I believe that Brandon Reval is in the classic situation of, be ready, because the next shot's going, like Kyle Socor is functionally getting this title shot because his timing is the best right now. The UFC never does this. They never do the,

and we talked about it on BTL this video, it's like they're not going to give him a title fight because they never give title. fights this way and then two days later I'm a dumbass but because they don't have anyone else to do it like there's okay well it was supposed to be macaiv but we just didn't resign him because we're mad at him and so now there's there's not another name to throw in there we've already booked the rest of this out guess you're up buddy and that's fine hardcore fans will be into it it's not saying it's bad but he's not getting this because he quote unquote earned it he getting it because

his timings right and I think the next guy up is going to be the exact same situation whoever is ready when the moment calls and they need it is going to be the guy who gets it. What a year for the flyweight division. I asked this to Casey during the People's Free Fight Show. If I told you in January that Pants' two opponents in 2024 would be Vinnie Sig, Steve Ursaig, and Kyas Akura, you would have thought I was insane. You would have probably called for my job at that point. Probably had conversations with the higher ups being like, I think Mike's little nuts.

thousand odds for that to be the case. Unbelievable. But yep, Brandon Royval, availability is your best friend. Remember that. It's 2024 heading into 2025. That is the new golden rule

when it comes to earning title shots, especially at 125. MAA fighting fans rejoice. The Iron Turtle gets the victory over Brad Tavares in the co-main event. Started a little scary. Tavars dropped him real fast. But Iron Turtle gets it done.

Chitty and Jokawani now two. and 0 at 170 called for a chance to be a top 15 guy. Don't think that's happening. I would assume Jared Gooden's UFC careers probably in jeopardy at this point with contender series going on, missing Wade, and then just having a pretty dreadful outing, if we're being honest. Grant Dawson, dude just mauled poor Rapha Garcia, who came back after around a two-year layoff, TKO, ground and pound nasty stuff, left him in a puddle of his own blood.

I assume Grant Dossel will get a bonus, but we'll let you know if that is the case in a little bit. Cuts a tremendous promo afterwards putting his wife over. Daniel Rodriguez gets a win. Ramazon, Temerov gets a first round finish. Pat Sabatini gets a first round finish over Jonathan Pierce. Jed, Jonathan Pierce, good God. What has happened here? This man was on a rocket ship.

He was winning fights looking real good. He lost his debut to Joe Lozon, dropped to 45. looked like a world beater. I was supposed to fight Bryce Mitchell at one point. Fight never comes to fruition, gets hurt, and now getting finished in the first round by Pat Sabatini,

who I picked in our staff picks, and you cashed a bet. So did I. And I cashed a bet on him. It was terrific. I didn't see this fight at all. I saw nothing of it. I was covering,

I was doing our live blog and covering the Better Beav Bivel fight, which if fans were not to ask questions, we'll talk about, we know when we're done talking about the old cage fighting. and I looked up from it and they were already moving on

and it was like, what just happened? It was like, oh, he tapped him immediately. Sick. Yeah, fight started and he jumped on his back. And that was pretty much the beginning of the end. No surprise. We have our fight in the night.

It is the main event, Brian Royval versus Tetser. 50 points. Let's go. So there you go. And we'll keep you posted on the performance bonuses as they come. Temba Garimbi.

Bimbo gets another win against Nico Price, who just looking shot at this point. I believe that's the man who's getting his walking papers. Yeah. I mean, he's, he had some very exciting moments, some crazy ass finishes, but sometimes father time just catched up with you. Shout out to you. You did the thing. You did the thing.

It's Robbie Lola. You knew your job. You did your job. We'll love you forever for it, Nico. Junior Tafa and. Sean Sharaff ends in a second round finish with some weirdness, a little bit of cheaty cheat going on, but it doesn't matter in MMA.

Doesn't matter the UFC. It's not doing the right thing. It's not cheating. We have to quit saying it's cheating. It's not cheating. Because when you cheat, you get penalized. So if you're not getting penalized,

it's not cheating. That's terrific, you're operating within the acceptable rule set of MMA. Yeah. Now that's good fight IQ. Good fight IQ shown in that fight. It's just I was hoping that fight. It's honorable fighting, but it's great fight IQ.

It's great fight IQ, especially at this point. But man, I wish that fight went to the third round because it would have been some of the funniest stuff we've ever seen. Julia Pallastry gets a win over Corey McKenna, who doesn't care if your parley got busted. Cody Haddon, nice win over Dan Argana. If you had Corey freaking McKinna in a parley, we need to talk. You screwed up a long time ago if Corey McKenna was. the linchpin to your bole. And nice

win for Clayton Carpenter. I forgot that that was his debut. I had no idea. I thought he had already had like three fights of the UFC. That was the second UFC fight. That was the second UFC fight.

That was his first fight in 18 months. More than that. February 2020, he had his debut. And that was the second fight. It's a long time. It's a long time. It's a lot of months, but now he's 2-0 with two submission wins.

Dude's real good. Y'all must have forgot. Still waiting on that other bonus, but we'll let you know when it comes. Let's bring Casey in. Maybe we just have fight in the night. We don't have performance. That would be just horrific. I need all the points I can get after the absolute travesty that happened at UFC 307 to Raquel Pennington and to Josayal, though.

But there we are. Casey, where are you right now? Oh, new location. I've moved my offices, yeah. Well, that is, that's fancy. Got my records back there. Yeah, so yeah, just changing things up, move some furniture around. Where's your smoking jacket?

Is that hanging off camera? Just turn a record on and put a pipe in your, just go for it? Throw some Chet Baker on. Yeah, you know, we're good, we're good. Oh, son of a bitch. What happened? Grant Dawson did not get up his bonus.

I told you, Mike. You guys don't know this. So all fair, like, we're in the green room beforehand. We're talking about the bonuses and I'm doing like the fantasy upkeep scorecard.

And Mike's like, Grant Dawson's getting 50. I was like, I'm going to pencil in my 50 points for fight of the night because I'm really sure they're going to do it. So you just go ahead

and do that with Grant Dawson. Like, Mike, I love this for you. I love the energy you have, hoping. hoping for your team to get these points. Like, who's, like, honestly, Ramazon Temeroff just, I mean, he beat the hell out of C.G. Brigara, C.G.

Fergare knew his role. He was supposed to. So I'm fine, given him that. Clayton Carpenter, good for him. Very rarely does the curtain jerker fight, especially if it ends by submission. Carpenter got it. Carpenter got the other performance.

I did not see that. Which I like. He didn't put him to sleep. They like submissions when they fall asleep. That's just because the guy is the. They like to, yeah, text the mission. That's on the, that's on. If you're getting submitted, don't tap.

Be a buddy and help help the guy who's whipping your ass get an extra 50K. Clay and Carper needs, yeah, 10K needs to go to Lucas Rocha. Yeah, that was true. Yeah, but see, here's the thing. The way I look at these bonuses is who are we going to talk, who are going to be talking about on Monday? I can assure you we're not talking about Clayton Carpenter on Monday. We are going to be talking about Grant Dawson on Monday, not just because of the fight, but the mic work as well.

With that bonus. I feel like that I was a little. The desirable Shaheen Al-Shadi is in a really good position now. Especially with the music, shop-cats fighting this year. Oh my God. Oh, my gosh. I forgot about that.

He's getting the main event points. If he clubs around ball, it's a wrap. We're done. Yep, we're all cooked. It was a big day for Shahid. Unbelievable. I know, but back to Carpenter,

I forgot. that if you come from the Contender Series, they'll push that a little more. So that's what my guess. Grant Dawson came from the Contender Series. He did. He did. He's like a lifetime ago. That's like old.

Yeah, he's too old now. That's like that's like contender series contracts mat like truly mattered. That's when you really like if you got one, you were the cream of the crop. Hey, there's a bunch of good guys coming off this season. I got a lot of. This is a good season. High draft grades on on guys this season. this is this is a better season than last year that's for sure i i definitely believe it is a better season

the last year all right uh questions i can't take my eye off case's case's new background i mean that just looks like a great place to hang out yeah i feel like there should be a chessboard behind casey and it's just he's playing against himself like he switches chairs i it is very well lit i because i very well lit yeah so i i i i i i i'm very well lit yeah so i i i i i i i I have, it looks nice. I mean, this is, I don't know. Hang out, come hang out. Come down to Gardena, California.

Getting ideas for command center 4.0. Shout out to John Morgan, Mike. Grant Dawson was robbed, so he feels your- See, he knows. He knows. Yeah, I doubt. If John Morgan says that, that should be 30 points. If it comes from John, it's 30 points.

Plus the 300, you guys are going to give me for Jose Aldo getting screwed. I'm trying for Jose Alto. It's their 3.30. All right. I want them. You're playing the game honorably and it's not working out right now. You still know a lot of guys to compete though.

That's true. A lot of real estate left. How long? When does the fantasy league go to? Into the year. Oh, into the year. Playing out the remaining UFC events of the year. Haven't decided if next next one is going to be we do a full year or we do a full year or

we do like a half and half do a six month six month split uh we've got some time but it'll be one of those two can imagine if kai wins like no one even drafted him nope no one drafted a cut there were a couple like champions you didn't get drafted nobody drafted no somebody did draft mara but no one drafted bow nickel yeah and that was a mistake that was just a whiff i would have a hundred percent taken bo nickle over rob yeah that slipped through yeah that one slipped through yeah i just didn't think about it. But also, it's not honorable, you know. I want to be fighting, I want to be drafting people who are fighting like top 15 people, you know. God, the Alessandro Costa one really

hurt. What a great start that was a sneaky pick. He was, and he's fighting a top 15 guy, so it was honorable. It was an honorable move. That was an honorable pick. Honor. Honorable don't pay the bills. It's so bad. He didn't get a bonus. God. That's insane. Oh, tough scenes. Don't say nice things about your wife and you'll get a bonus. Oh, yeah. And the promo, really.

Great. Great post fight though from him. Outstanding. Like, I, like, let's be honest. I like Grant Dawson. I believe he's a very talented fighter, very good fighter. I can't pretend that I've ever really thought about him beyond the context of being like, oh, that's a guy who's going to need to win 30 fights in a row to get it.

who are in the light division. And now it's like, oh, look, there's a little bit of personality. There's something to attach to. There's a thing to remember as opposed to another grappling heavy decision win. Like, he gets an impressive finish, has a, like, an endearing moment with his wife. Also makes it a little funny. And then rips a mean promo on the rest of the division. A plus work.

Way to go, Grant Dawson. That's how you turn your career around. He did the thing. That's how you don't have to fight Joe Selecki. Hoffa Garcia who are tough fights that nobody knows and instead you might get like easier fights that people do know or whatever yep I have a good one for on to the next one

I think I nailed it Tony Ferguson no if he had called up for Tony Ferguson the conversation would not be this positive he did it before he did it like a year ago I was like No, this is a terrible call-out. Shooting his shot. Didn't work. He's tried.

All right. Questions? All right. Got some super-ta. Have you got it out of your system? Are you good, heck? Yeah. Are you good?

You got it out. Yeah. Until the super chatters come through. If we raise like $50 in super chats in support of Grant Doss and getting a bonus, do I get 50 points for each dollar? No. You get so much Dunkin. Sick.

All right. Let me hit the super chats first. Here we got. I'm from Everett Price. I've been on losing streak, but I put it all on Royval tonight. Can't believe Raw Dog pulled it out for me, pun intended. You guys rock. I did the same.

I wasn't going to bet on this card. Normally only been on watch parties in like episodes of weeks where I'm on No Bet's Bard. This morning, I was like, I'm betting on Royval. One bet, that's it. Plus 240. nailed it. I just, I felt it all week and I was like, I got put my money where my mouth is. So good call, I for it. Yeah, it was a crazy line. I mean, I still I. Yeah, it was too wide.

Yeah, it was too wide. Line was very wide. I, uh, I had a Tyrol on points bet. And then I was looking to live bet Royval if it like went late. The problem being the idea in my head was Tyra's going to win the first two rounds. And then Reval might storm back because he has that experience. he's been around the block, whatever, and the number might balloon, but instead, Tyra immediately dropped to like barely a favorite to live bet Royval. And then it was just like, okay, well, I guess I'm just not betting this again. I got to hope Tyra gets a finish because we're not looking close to winning this bet right now. Tire, would a point spread bet on Tyra?

Yeah. Good for you, man. That's a gutsy one. I mean, I wasn't going to play tire straight at minus 300. Oh, 100%. That would be insane. But I didn't feel confident in like a decision or a finish props. So it was like, yeah, I'll split the difference points.

If he gets to finish, I'm covered. If he just wins four rounds to one or whatever, we're good. Oh, just because no one asked, I did score that fight a draw, by the way. But I thought the right person won. I did think if I had to pick a winner, I think Royval was deserving. to win the fight but if I go by rounds I had it a draw I believe that is my first ever 4645

scorecard I've given some weird ones I didn't tag them so I don't know if I made decisions will yeah I think my main decision took the night off they haven't updated media score so I'm kind of curious I didn't tag them so if they didn't get it but the official MMA fighting scorecard is

4645 and how many 10 a is that I mean four of them 10 9 first round and it's alternating 10 8s the rest of the way through round 3 was going to be a 10 7 and then tyra bought it back to a 10 8 with the last minute there okay okay that's incredible that is a wild score once that's my like you use it's consistent it's consistent i i honestly feel fine about it but like i did the 108 round 2 and then i was watching round 3 i was like well this is definitely more impressive than round 2 which was very impressive.

Vorval was killing him in there. This is going to be a 10-7. And it was like, oh, Tyra got this back, but like still the long-term, the impact that was done to the fighter was substantially in favor of Royval there. It's like, okay, 10-8.

And then round four was basically the same round, round two was. So that was at 10-8 again. And then round three was on its way to being at 10-9 until Reval almost killed him again at the end. So I feel fine about it. I'm pretty pleased. That's how people should be scoring it.

Liberally use them. Yeah. You're consistent. I respect that. I love it. I love it. You're consistent. All right.

Here we go. Super chat from J.D. Phil. J.D. Super chat I'm in love with. J.D. Bisbing seemed unable to give Tavar's moment. Not a great look.

Thank you, Mike. Jedding, and Casey, very much for all of your consistent, great work. This is a tough one to look. This is a tough broadcast to listen to tonight. It was not great. I did not listen to all of it. I also missed a lot of the other part because, again, I was doing the boxing coverage.

I, my opinion on Dominic Cruz is pretty well known at this point. I just do not care for him in the booth. What was Bisping doing that was with regard to DeVarres? Because I didn't notice anything. I'm not 100% sure either. Oh, was it? Oh, is it about Tivor's.

Zavar's broke his record. Zavar's breaking his record is the most of the war fights. And then he was like, yeah, but I also have five fights at light heavyweight. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that is deeply unsurprising. But yes, like in a better world, he would have the humility to just be like, dude, that's awesome.

What an incredible accomplishment for him. Hope he gets, you know, 25 more and can move on as opposed to kind of making it a pissing contest. With a dude whose career, he obviously has a better career then. Like, no one is disputing who has a more meaningful and significant career. You are a Hall of Famer and Brad Tavares will never be. So you probably could have stepped away, but it was unsurprising. It didn't really, wasn't that off-putting to me. Yeah.

I'm not the biggest, I know you're not bigger on Cruz, but actually, I, I enjoy cruises. I learn things when Cruz talks. I may not enjoy hearing it, but I know. There's some things I differently go, okay, I like that. Honestly, of Bisbing, he just, he's a good podcaster. I'm not big on him as a color commentator, but. Bizing's a desk guy. Like, he's a desk guy.

Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Like, Anthony Smith is better in that role, I think. Cruz is good when Paul Felder is with him. Yes, yes. Thank you. That is, like, that's when Cruz shines his best, because Paul's not going to sit there and have a pissing contest with Dominic Cruz or anybody else.

like D.C. will and Bisbing will at times, but Paul Felder will just educate. And then Dominic Cruz will see that and he'll feed into that and we'll further educate. And when Paul Felder is giving his side of a sequence and then Dominic is giving, yeah, you're right. But also, it's the best you hear of Dominic. And yeah, it's tough.

The Bisbonne Cruz combo is usually not that great. Agreed, I agree. maintain that all commentators frankly across all sports other than play by play commentators should have a three to five year max shelf life there are no shortage of other fighters who would love the opportunity and i'm sure could excel uh because my issue with them is they all just distill into their like worst parts i'm like that's my issue with dc i was never huge on dc early in his career. But like basically after the Thug Rose moment went like super viral, he just became that guy for like everything. And then like there was the whole yeah, he really probably isn't

studying or doing the work required for this anymore. And it's just all that like all of your habits just kind of crystallize into like bits or whatever. It's like, yeah, just get new people in there. I think it would be fine to let some new blood give a shot, let them move to the desk, do some other stuff. But yeah. Who is who I honestly don't remember I tried to tune it as much as possible, but was it the D-Rod fight where He landed like a flash take down that literally had no impact on the fight Because Marono got immediately back up to his feet and then whoever said it was like oh that's huge It was and that's absolutely mass was a cruise

Cruz at the end he was like that's that's that's that's huge like that's he was already he already won the fight he's already winning the fight before that. That fight was also tough because the commentary made it appear that Alex Mirono was just beaten like dog walking D-Rod. And then at the end they were like, well, actually, that second round was pretty good for. It was like, yeah, the whole time. Like, could your eyes not see that Morano's face is busted up and you couldn't piece together that D-Rod is having a better round than he did in the first?

And this is not just UFC or MMA, like, this happened really bad in the boxing thing. And it happens just kind of broadly across the thing. Commentators often get locked into a narrative and then they can't see past it. And they're just spitting that narrative as the narrative changes and it's no longer true. It's super, super that for Tim for Tim Brathie's performance and boxing. And, you know, but it is. It doesn't ruin my experience. It's fine.

Yeah. What I enjoyed, Sean Wheelock and Chris Lytle are awesome on the BKFC broadcast. They're just like two peas. They just know what each other is thinking at all times. And those fights lasts like 40 seconds each. And then it's just on to the next one. It's a beautiful thing. I want to give the cut of commentators a little bit of, I guess, credit or whatever.

But it should be two teams. That's just, you guys do the watch party. You do the watch party for five fights. Imagine doing it for 14 fights for and mostly unknown guys in the sense. You know, so it is tough. It is tough. But, you know, still. Especially think of it.

Think of it like this because case is 100% right. Like a full USC broadcast like tip to tail is two football games. Like NBC does not have Jim, Nance and Tony Romo out there for seven hours doing back-to-back football games. it's an enormous ask and it's functionally the same that is asked like totally totally agree that it's asking a lot so i kind of stopped ripping on them as much it's not to my taste i would prefer different but like dude i i get it yeah and you have to peak when you're the most exhausted in a sense you know yeah i i actually like i like your idea like bring joeban and kiesa down for the prelims yeah And then have Bisbing and Cruz on the desk if you need to go to them.

And then when the main card comes, bring them down and bring them back up. There you go. I like that idea. Brenna Fitzgerald kind of has to carry the weight. He can do it. Dude's a pro. He's in New England. He can handle it.

All right. Thank you, J.D. Some other super chats. Tyra versus Ersegnex seems logical and entertaining. I don't agree. I mean, I would hate that fight, right? It's Kai. It's KKF.

Tyra and Kai or Erseg and Kai? Tyra and Kai. Okay, Tyra and Kai. I think there's no wrong way to eat this particular recess. I think you just... Erseg's lost two in a row. He just got finished bad in his last fight. And now you're just going to sacrifice Viti Sig's to Tensuro, Tyra.

I don't like that. I am not certain you're sacrificing him to Tyra. You might be. Interesting. I would pick Tyra, but... Many things can grapple and is a much better boxer than Tutsu Retire is. Again, I would favor Tyra, especially if it's going to be a three-round fight. But I don't care.

Just throw them in there against any top 10 flyweight and let's have fun. There's dude rocks. And he can just keep fighting top-shelf dudes and it'll be awesome. Give him the Al-Bosie Moraine a loser. Don't mind that. Yep. Works. I mean, Al-Cop would be fun.

I mean, there's. I think he would kill Manel Cobb. So it wouldn't be bad if you're just trying to re- Melkopp versus Vinnie Siggs is a fun fight. That's if I like better. I like that. That's a better fight. What's Mattis Nicola doing? That's a great question.

No wrong way to eat this. Throw him in there. Timmy Elliott. Don't care. Just put him in with somebody. Yep. I mean, can't suggest something for, maybe for Tyre. When Tyre came into the UFC, they really slow rolled him.

Then he had the big jump. jump up to Perez and then Royval made sense. Do you kind of go back now a little bit? Do you kind of have, do you build up tire a little bit and someone outside the top 10 or now that he's here, he stays here? I think that performance merits him getting to maintain someone in the top 10. I mean, if he won't round five, he wins the fight. Yeah.

So, yeah. I agree. So let if Royval finishes him in the third, then I would say, yeah, well, we got to fully walk him back, right? We got to say, okay, let's build him back up. I know the UFC doesn't do it, but I'd be like, let's give him an unranked dude and just let him, you know, gain confidence. But because he didn't, and the way he stormed back in the fourth showed grit, temerity, all that sort of stuff, I think he earns his right to kind of stay in the top 15 somewhere. And fight a little bit back probably because he's like number five in the U.C's rankings,

they'll have, unless they're going to give him the loser of Moreno Albaazi, it's going to have to fight somewhere, but it's also kind of still fighting up because he only has the one win over a top 15 guy. Yeah. Though a dark land is okay. Yeah. Plus you have the magic of the world's most famous Apex, which is a perfect spot for a Tetsu retire main event.

So you could just throw him in there with any top 15 guy and it works. This is, he's either main eventing from now on or he is. on the road. He is no longer just in the apex. If he is in the apex, it is as the main event, or he needs to be on a main card of a pay-per-view. Like that is where he, his career deserves to be even in defeat tonight. Yeah. Yeah, it just the one big thing that kind of worries me about Tyre and I'm, I mean, I'm very high on him like you are, Jed, is that he's just, when you're this young and you rely on just being tough, that, much because he took just

a couple of big knees got hit in the head way too many times and I'm just yeah and maybe I just need to give more credit to Rayval but I was just like that's concerning when you hit these the top tier guys so that's my big concern by

I'm not concerned yet because this is the first time it's really happened and it's against the number one ranked guy in the way is this true yeah if it keeps happening then I will be concerned but I'm giving him the benefit that this is Brandon Royval is extraordinarily good at fighting. Yeah.

Yeah. And he's such an awkward guy to fight at that weight class because he's so long. It's just crazy. Once Roy Val was just like, yeah, man, anytime this guy takes a step towards me, especially in the fifth round, I'm just going to punch him. And he did. Boy, did he. Tire couldn't give it.

He's definitely trying to swing. You're just like, I'm just going to put bone in between me and you. And that's going to be good enough. All right. Thank you much. It sure was. New small violence idiot contender in Timmeroff, Jed. Did you look at him and say, yep, he's in the family now?

I mean, he can't be because not only did we establish who the small violence idiot was, literally like later that day, he did some small violence idiot shit in John Lenin Kerr just being the king of. small violence idiot. But look, John Lineker can't fight forever. At some point he'll have to relinquish the crown of small violence idiot. And when he does, we'll see if Timorov is still doing this. But this is a great debut. He's put his name, like, he's now on the registrar. You know, we know that he's, he's submitted an application.

We've got it in, we've taken an application. We've put it in the top desk drawer. And when we need it, we'll go look through the applications for our new small violence idiot. But we got one. and he's a pretty goddamn good one. Yeah. The potential is there for Tim Ruff, though, that's for sure.

Potential is there. Man, John Lineker. What a guy. He's the freaking best. John Lineker is the exact definition of it. Like, he and DDP are the same fighter. It's the best. He, DDP, Yere either.

Oh, they're my favorites. I love them. back it off next fight 205 taffa equals no takedowns was taffa talking about going to 205 did i miss that or you just i i miss that at all um unless they mentioned something about that on the broadcast that junior was a 205er but i didn't i mean he should be a do o five if you just look at his body comp but he's not yeah and a lot of heavyweights do that and that's how their careers go so No, we can do better for Vakatov.

Yeah, I think there's a Tafa. There's no shortage of light heavyweights who will just stand and punch with him. Yeah, I think, yeah. Is Vakatoff fighting at 205? That's where he was contendering at. Oh, was he? I thought he was at heavyweight for some reason. Tapology incorrectly listed it as heavyweight, but it was a light heavyweight fight.

Okay, yeah, because I thought that looked super weird. It, that's, I thought it as well. and then when it happened, they were like, his fights at 205. I was like, okay, now this all makes sense. There's certainly guys at 205 that would, would fit the bill. Pony of them.

Yeah, I think we got good numbers. Look, I mean, Cleo Roundtree. You need to get or get God an all-star. Cleo Roundtree just failed to beat the glory end boss, so maybe he gets his redemption with another glory kickboxing champion. Throw him right into the fire. Let's see what happens. who probably kills

Vakatov, but okay. There's only like 30 fighters in the division so. Yeah, they'll find somebody. They'll just pick some dude and hope. Brensen Ribeiro is a pretty

fun one. That might be a good one. That dude's like super get or get got. I don't think we're going to be a clubbered. I think they're going to very quickly come to the determination that they can't turn him into Alex.

I don't think Vakatov has the MMA ceiling that prayer. Yeah, I'm with you. Not even remotely, frankly.

I do not believe his game translates anywhere near as effectively. All right. But I guess we'll find out. I'm going to save this clip when I make my future timeline

videos. What's, who is, what's Andreas Micolitis doing these days? Can we bring him back? Great, great shot.

Just give them a puffed up middleweight. Yeah, just give him Michaelitis. That's who Pereira debuted against. Let's do that. Give him Paul Craig. Paul Craig probably takes his arm. And he's fighting.

Yeah. And he probably takes his arm after that. So yeah, we can't do Paul Craig. There are ways to work around this. Just give him Alex. Just do it. Just give him the freaking fight. It would only be a little less ridiculous than giving Alex

Khalil coming off of a drunk suspension. And Jamarie. Hall Hill will be so excited. We're the most ridiculous type of shots ever that nobody cared about. We're all like, this is, this is categorically insane. And even, I love that title shot so much because Dana like did the politician thing. Like, you know when you see J.D. Vance and he's like refusing to answer the question of did Trump lose the election and he's just like talking around it was the exact same thing Dana did was like, why did you book Magma and Ankelaiev instead of giving him a title shot? I think Goliath already had a fight, but he didn't have a fight when you were looking for a 307 main event.

Well, I don't know anything about that, but, you know, this is just how this worked out because they can't come out and be like, we didn't want Alex to have to fight him. We wanted Alex to fight a guy we wanted to win. Because they were hoping that they were also hoping that things kind of fell apart their plans because they were thinking about doing Islam versus Armin. Abu Dhabi, Max Ilya in Salt Lake City, and then Islam got hurt, so they had to move Max Ilya to Abu Dhabi. Let's just throw Pereira in there with the first able-bodied man that picks up the phone and says, yes, that's Khalil Roundtree, and then Ancalaip was already booked, so there you go. Already booked.

Plus, like, we'll never know for sure, but with all the talk that came out afterwards, the Pereira was, like, pretty close to pulling out of the Roundtree fight. I suspect that his camp would have been like, hey, you can't fight on Kaliyev with all this shit going on. You just can't do it. Whereas with Kaleel, okay, we're good. We'll run it. It'll be fine. So it's great.

It's unbelievable promotion. Tremendous. It was the best fight. And we the fans won. We were the winners. We did. It was sick. And they made a star on a Kliu Roundtree.

They did. Dope. Nobody cared. Nobody was mad about it. despite being transparently ridiculous. Thank you through a house. Oh, our good friend, a kid is junior. Which fighter would y'all be interested in stepping into the commentary booth that's not doing any TV-related thing now?

Interesting. So, I mean, there are a couple of ways you can take this, right? Because do you want to do it for the lulls? or who do you think would actually bring like the best kind of color commentary to it? For the laws. If I'm doing for the lulls, I want Drickas duplice in there. I want him in there immediately. I want him in there just like vaguely talking shit about things.

And then especially if he's in a three-man booth and like, let's say he's in a booth with Dom. And Dom's like, yeah, so you know, what you want to be doing is you want to be digging this underhook. And Driggis is like, that's nonsense. Who even thinks about doing that? Just hit him. Who cares? He just be like, yeah. Like, Driggis' comment.

I don't know if you guys saw him. I saw that, yeah. It's the best thing ever is like, all these people breaking down my fights. I'm not thinking about any of that shit. I'm just hitting dudes. It's the bad, like, he would be the funniest dude to put it in there

by a wide margin for me at this point in time. I don't think he'd be the best, but I would love that to happen. God, that's so funny. If you're looking for like the best, the thing, like, think about who Paul Felder is, right? Like, Felder is, he was never the best fighter, but he was a good fighter, and he was a very smart fighter and, like, clearly studied the game a lot, spent a lot of time. Like, I think John Jones would be a terrible commentator. Corey Sanhagen, you know?

Corey Sanhagan is probably an exceptional answer for this. Yeah, Corey Sanagan. I was like, I know there's someone that's Corey Sanagan, yeah. I would say Alex Morono would be very good at this I know he does some stuff pretty good

he does some stuff for Fury but I don't think that counts is TV related stuff because it's not in the UFC but that dude lives, breeds and sleeps fighting but you can

he'll break down any fight you ask him to and he remembers it knows keys to victory for both guys off the top of his head the dude is a savant when it comes to the stuff. He'd be tremendous at it. Marlon Vera would be great too

because you'd have to bleep them every fourth word and that to me is kind of funny. Or you just throw on like a Jonathan Martinez who Donna Cruz will just say a bunch stuff and Jonathan will just be like, yes. Yeah. And just say one word and I would get a kick out of that. Yeah.

I feel like Calvin Cater could probably be pretty decent at it. Cater would be really good. I know Angela Hill does stuff down in San Diego go for cage theory or something like that. So, um, Angela Hill is good too. Yeah, she'd be good. Uh, obviously the, the second funniest person who's not Drickis is Yeree. Yes. That's what I was just going to say is Jerry. It would be the best. Honestly, like Paul Craig probably would be pretty decent. Yeah. Like, and he's got enough personality to care.

carry over too. I was like, that's my one issue with Corey is, I think Corey would be very smart, but he does not have a broadcast personality. So he might get kind of run over in there. It might kind of come off like Cruz does sometimes. Yeah. Even though they're saying the right things, it just isn't, I don't know. I mean, if you really want, if you really want the lulls, there's only one man.

Wonderboy would be very good. There's only one man you can call if you want all the lulls. Yeah, you found it. it's it's the most obvious one it would there would be no bigger talking point on a ufc card than this man doing color commentary because it would be the same thing as watching the old eagle fc cards when there are so many big names but all you could talk about was one man and one man only triple c baby just mispronouncing everybody's last names the he this thing i don't want to He would be the awful.

Oh, he's so bad. You should be great at it. It's terrible. Let's, F it. Get Triple C out there. Just hire Tito. Just put Tito in there.

Get Tito do the NKGG interviews again. Dude, Yuri. Tommy Aspinall. Uri DDP in Brennan Fitzgerald would be a dream commentary team for a fight night. Wow. Akita Jr. Give me Tommy Aspinall.

That. Oh, that's a good one too. That's a good one as well. All right. Man, we're getting so many super chats. We've got to fly through these. I love it. One moment.

Oh, man. Uri would be the best talking about this. Urid would be sick. Uri honestly might actually be better than Drickus. I don't know. It's pretty close. Hello from Tijuana. Mike, are you going to do Ariel's new song?

Casey's still waiting on you, Jed. so more than one love you guys I don't know that means I think am I going to produce a song for them? No I will not be producing a song for them I think I

I think I put in my work for those guys I've produced a couple of bangers for them that's why they're uncrowned you won't crown them you won't crown them with a song can't they want to create their own crowd

so I can't I got to let them I got to let him do it by themselves, you know? All right. Thank you. Solo, I can never say your name. Jayfish is Royval the most reliable fighter.

He can co-main a favorite title fighter, headline a random fight night. He's the chicken and the rice of the UFC. I mean, Alex Carrera exists. Not a champion. I mean, the entire narrative of this year has been,

look at how Alex is saving them. I get what you are. kind of putting forth here though and look, Royval made the very ridiculous claim these most underrated fighter in the UFC, which is nonsense because he's literally the number one ranked guy in his weight class. So it's hard to be underrated there. But I do think broadly speaking, he is extremely valuable in a way that maybe a lot of people don't recognize because of this sort of thing. He all like every fight other than the Pantosia rematch has been a banger. he's got personality he'll fight anyone he'll fight at the drop of the hat like he's exactly the sort of

promotional guy asset you want to have on your roster absolutely uh thank you much um do too too oh let's talk about this uh dtm jet if leon versus belal was the leafy greens of m m m ms what does that make jones versus stefe i love that this is easy i already used this analogy previously when I stumbled upon it. And it's very simple. So shout out to Patrice O'Neill, who I'm stealing this paraphrased joke on. And it's very simple.

I'll eat some stale cracker jacks, but I want them right now. You can't make me wait for stale crackerjacks because then I don't give a shit. This fight is stale crackerjacks. A year ago, when they were freshly, oh, look, I found some stale crackerjacks. You want some?

Yeah, sure. Stick my hand in the box. Eat a couple. It's fine. You're like, oh, here's some stale crackerjacks. You want these in a year? I do not. And that's what this is. This is a stale cracker jacks of fights. It's garbage. And we shouldn't be putting it into our bodies. We should not consume this fight. Boom. All right. Yeah. Steele crackerjacks. I like it. Stale Cracker Jax. Wittz. Wittl versus Shafcott. Steak. of you don't like steak a steak salad steak salad

you still have the salad but steak's good for you was steak is below but is belaw still the salad or is belaw's steak no no because it doesn't matter it doesn't matter anymore we're good okay

yeah this is this is the rightful matchup and it's the man Shafcott's going to make this fun so steak all right thank you much it's not a cheeseburger

You know, it's not like delicious, delicious in the same way, but it's it's hearty and filling and good. Yeah. All right. Gotcha. Might have to dig around the edges to get the best pieces of it, but it's going to be good when you find it. Hey, Jed, was Royval weaponizing his cardio? He wasn't. I don't think either of them were.

Honestly, the more I think about the fight, the less I think Tyra Gast and the more I think he just, just got hurt. Yeah. That's why he like looked beat to shit because he came out at the round of four and like I think Bisping even noted it like I thought he was gassed out but I'm impressed with his recovery. Maybe that's true and maybe that is what it is. He just giving him the minute on the stool. He got himself back and he's that kind of a cardiovascular athlete, right?

Like he just needs a little bit of recovery time and then he's good. But I mostly think that because also we're all didn't put a pace on him. So even by the stupid, like, term of this, Rival was not like whipping his ass. Like, the paste was both men doing it. So no. I also hate this because it makes me think of dare to be great. And I'm now ironically using dare to be great.

And I know I am so certain that it's, I'm going to use it enough ironically that it's going to seep into my actual verbiage. And I'm going to hate myself. I can already see this coming. I told AK today I dared to be great on something. I was like, God, it's starting. It's starting. He had so many cliches today.

This week on our shows is incredible. So, so many. You know what he weaponized? He weaponized his punches. Webinizing punching. Yeah. And his knees. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I didn't see problems with tire his cardio. He just got hit a lot. And getting hit apparently makes you tired. So, yeah. Studies have shown. Studies, yeah, research shows. Oh, let's talk about this.

We haven't mentioned this yet. We've been waiting for it. Thoughts on better be of getting the decision over Bivel. I got to say, Jed, I did not watch this fight. I was unfortunate. Did you watch this at all? No, I didn't see any of it. I would highly recommend you both watch it.

Okay. It's really, really fun fight. Awesome. Your mileage is going to vary depending on how you feel about the decision. and it was not like epic in the way that I think it was built to be. But it kind of also was. It was very tense the whole way through. To me, there were huge momentum swings.

Like basically after the first two or three rounds, it just started going back and forth and back and forth. It was an awesome fight. I scored it a draw. And I think that draw would have been the best score because I think everybody could have been kind of. comfortable with that. No one would have felt hard done by.

I don't think it's, it's not a robbery because the fight is exceeding the close. Like six of those rounds are total toss-ups. So basically you can kind of go either side. The thing that is, that gives it an icky feeling other than the attendance of Ramon Kadyrov is the 1612 scorecard is for Better Biev is very suss. Like that was a very, very close.

fight 1612 makes it a little icky but they're going to run it right back they both said in the ring I'm happy to do it again their post fight press conference said so turk al-sheik was like we want to run it back a lot of backlash to the decision I think the backlash would have gone either way honestly just because it was so so competitive but a really really fun fight where the dynamic was functionally better beev can hit their shit out of him like better be better bev is just far more powerful than Bivel and Bivel had to really walk this like razor thin line between playing the Matador moving around the cage but also having to stand his ground at points otherwise he would just get run over by Better Biev and so it was a terrific performance by

Bivel pretty good performance by Better Biav not his best and a really really fun fight I would encourage everyone to watch it one of my favorite fights of the year thus far so was issues of the decision or the score? I mean, it translates to the same thing. It was too far apart one of those things? One of the scorecards was too far apart.

And then I think many people feel that Bivel deserved the win. I don't think either man really deserved it, quote unquote. So I was okay with whoever won that fight. I scored a draw. I thought it was very close. I think at least based on the vibe, it feels like more people, thought Bivel won.

I am not really confident that either man won, though. I want to go watch it back and see. But like, it's one of those classic fight. You've seen this fight all the time where Betterby was the dude coming forward for the majority of it. And so a lot of, some of it

is optics because some of those rounds where he is just marching forward. Bivel is sticking, moving, putting a combination on him, moving away. And Better Biavee have caught lot of gloves on his punches, but the issue was whenever he would punch, even if Bibble covered up and Bivel admitted this after the fight, like they do the post-fight interview and he's got like a real shiner under his left eye. And he's like, yeah, this isn't from a punch. It's because

he's really strong. And every time I blocked the, my wrist would still just pop into my eye and he did it a bunch. And every time like almost every time, better be have landed like a hook, Bibble's whole body moved even if he blocked it. So it's a really close fight, honestly. Uh, No one should be that unhappy with the scores. And they just have to run it back, which is awesome. Because it wasn't the greatest fight of all time, but it was really tense, really fun fight. I thought it lived up to the hype.

And I'm excited to watch him do it again. And both guys are down? They said they were down for rematch. Both guys in the ring were like, it was also really cool. One, Better Beav was like, not my best performance. If he wants to run it back, happy to do it. Great. He was, you know, it's harder than I thought in there, et cetera, et cetera.

shout out to Bibble who did like for the first time I've ever seen a fighter do this like hey what's your thoughts he's like you know uh no excuses I came in I lost the fight and he like didn't say the no excuses but he was like no excuses I lost hats off to him and I'd love to run it back with him he wasn't like I lost but I felt I won he just yeah I lost no I think his exact quote or something pair phrase was no excuses and I don't want to say anything else that would come off like an excuse something like that. I was like shout out, Bill, you rock. Awesome. I definitely want to check it out. Thank you for that in-depth analysis. I appreciate it. It was easily the most fun thing. I would say that I had more fun with that than I did the main event of the UFC. And the UFC main event was very, very good, mind you. But I think the Bill Bidabria was was a more fun thing. Less satisfying outcome, perhaps but more fun. Cool, cool.

Awesome. Real quick. My name is the soul rack, Carlos Backwards. First of you, that is my last name, but you can call me Babeo, Jose knows.

Mike on the nose is a banger. Thank you. All right. Thank you. I'm the best. The New York Creek theme song is way better. Okay.

Thanks, Bebo. Thanks, Bebo. And two more super chats before we hit a couple other questions. Thoughts on PFL calling Cyborg the goat and Francis the undisputed heavyweight champion in their promo. They did? I didn't see this. They should. They're the promoters.

They should say that. Well, yeah. I also don't have any issue with, well, certainly the Francis one because that's true. Maybe not technically. Yeah, he's the lineal freaking champion. Maybe not technically true by the definition of undisputed. but like it's close enough. And the cyborg thing, there's a case for it.

I have, you're not going to have that many people supporting it, but there's a case and they're, they're her promoter. So yeah, you should 100% do that. Actually, you should be promoting,

please. If people did not say that, I would be like, what the hell are they doing? This is, this is exactly what you, this is exactly the conversation you should get people to be talking about. So this is good.

Not Kayla Harrison ran away from that. It should be... That was silly. Yeah. This and the whole Francis thing is we're promoting this to like a cat, like Dean talked about on BTL. We're promoting this to a casual audience that does not exist for you guys. It does not exist. So your promotion is two huge guys are going to hit each other when in actuality who you should be promoting this for are the hardcore fit.

Like this is who's going to spend the money on this. The casual viewership viewing audience ain't shelling out 50 bucks for this for many reasons that we discussed on BTL. Scheduling other sports going on. Yeah. You're selling six. This is going to do like 9,000 buys. Like this is and it's not, this is not me making of a fake number. I don't know.

Yeah. It's not going to be good But Francis, you need to treat Francis Like this is for the lineal championship Go watch my Eric Nixick interview I asked him about that I'm like don't you think it's kind of weird That we're just talking about two big men fighting each other

Eric Nixick like an hour before we talked to It was like oh yeah I didn't even know it was for a title And then I realized like oh yeah This is an actual five round fight It's a title fight he forgot because of the promotion And how PFL is presenting this fight.

He forgot it was a freaking five-round title fight. It's insane. It's absolutely insane. But they should be doing that. That's next week, right? That is this weekend, right? Yeah. The next Saturday, yeah.

Yeah. Daytime card. Yes. So wait. So back to back weekends with daytime cards? So is PFO on the day? And then there's a UFC apex card? Vegas.

Vegas 99. Maybe. Michelle Pahetto taking on Fluffy Hernandez. Oh, it's going to be a long day. All right. All right. Yeah, but it's a normal time. So, like, I think when the PFL main card starts,

that's when the UFC prelim start. Yeah. There will be. Which is also going to hurt the PFL. That is wild. By the way. Go on. Go ahead.

Oh, I was like, you have the greatest heavyweight in the world fighting, coming back to MMA, but some apex prelims might hurt it. You know what I mean? Like, that's, that's, I mean, you're being, you're right. It's just weird to say that. You want to know why? Because people are going to flip through their screens. And then I'm like, oh, two huge guys fighting each other.

MMA and then there's a UFC car with people I don't know. Let's see what the big, let's cool. Let's watch the big guys fight. Oh, 50 bucks. Nah. UFC guys that I don't know. Oh, it's free. I already have ESPN Plus.

We'll just watch this. Okay. we're good. That's going to hurt them. But you know what? We made an executive decision as a website. Next Saturday.

Won't be a full-on one, but we're going to do a little watch party for the PFL card. That's right. We'll zoomy-zoom. It's a great card. It is a great card. We're not going to do it for the entire thing.

We'll probably, maybe for the last four fights. Certainly the last three. What are the last four fights? Obviously in the main event Then Pacheco Main event Cyborg Pacheco Then there's Ebblin Edwards 2

And then AJ McHum AJ McHugh and Paul Hughes You should probably start it there That's what I think so I think so No do last month How is they lost You haven't seen how they lost

No It's the best It's the best It's been doing all this shit I haven't been in attention I'm not going to spoil out for you because it's Oh my God If you're not an Ohio State fan

If you don't like Ohio State then you're going to Is Damon? Is Damon okay? Damon Our heart goes out to you buddy Damon's get David's probably livid right now I mean they're still going to make the playoffs so it's fine but Yeah but you have to see how it ends

Can't work it's true Before we get out of here Let me see. I miss any questions. I want to hit up. Man, Sal Yomado had a pretty bad night. I forgot he was the descending scorecard and the Corey McKenna Pallestry fight as well. Jesus Christ, man. He was on one today. You stink. He stunk, stunk tonight. All right. Real quick. Jed, will you be at BKFC when they come to Duluth, Georgia in December?

When are they doing? I had no idea this was happening. Neither did I. How far is the newth from you? Not very far. Oh, okay. You should go? You should absolutely go.

That will depend entirely on when they're going. I'm looking this up right now. I don't see BKFC schedule. Because I'm in. I've been planning to go to freaking one when it was coming here. And now that's no longer happening. I don't see this thing. Where does one find dates for BTFC?

If they are coming and you're available, you will go. A hundred percent. If they are coming here and I am not out of town to cover the UFC or in the Tampa card or something like that. And honestly, even if so, maybe I'll just do that instead. Yeah, I would absolutely go. It's delusive short drive. All right.

And electric. like on my bucket list to see at BKFC Live for sure. It's it's tremendously fun. I love it. I love it. And our last question and last super chat before we get out of here. Casuala fan, you guys dare to be great and always succeed. We didn't dare to be great.

What? We didn't dare enough to be great. I think we could have dared to me. Have you seen this setup? This is a great setup. Yeah. See what Casey did? Yeah.

I love the chairs. Because see you now. Like, now I'm at the accessorizing stage of Command Center 4.0 because the vinyl is being ripped out on Wednesday. Sheet rock going up. Got to figure out paint colors, chairs, the whole setup, all of it. So, and I suck at making decisions. Terrible. I always feel like I'm going to make the wrong one.

So I'm just going through Wayfair and all these different things. It's going to be like a total, I'm telling you right now, it's going to be totally, it's going to look completely. different. This real wooden wall is going to be gone. Like, we're not going to, it's going to be a thing of the past. I've seen the look for it. It's pretty sick. Yeah. Now we just have to put the pieces together. The space is tremendous. Now we just got to finish her off. It's going to be wonderful. Exciting times. Exciting. We good, gentlemen? Yeah. It's going to go watch the end of the Ohio State game. It's got to do that. I'm trying to figure out. where this man has determined that BKFC is coming to Duluth because the internet is not telling you this but I hope so if it's like frigging wild bills it would be sick

why are they going to Duluth uh so legitimately the reason I can think of is because there's a place in Duluth called wild bills which is like a local yeah okay they've done a bunch of in-may cards I went to um I went to an LFLF there once like a billion years ago. They used to have Wild Bill's fight nights there. It's like a big bar basically where they can put a cage in. That's the only reason I can think would be going to Duluth. It would be sick. Sounds like the best reason.

Sounds like the best. I am going to that over anything that's near. In competition, be unbelievably silly in the matter. Well, my friends, AK and I, We'll be doing some matchmaking tomorrow. On to the next one. And then it's on to Vegas 99 and PFL Battle of the Giants Fight Week. Our own Jose Youngs will be there.

So lots of coverage for Casey for Jed. I am Mike Heck. Good night, everybody. Love you all. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.