MMA Fighting - UFC Winnipeg Post Show: Does Retiring Gilbert Burns Raise Mike Malott's Ceiling?

Episode Date: April 19, 2026

Mike Malott ended the long career of Gilbert Burns, stopping the former welterweight title challenger with strikes in the third round of the UFC Winnipeg main event. It’s the signature win that Malott has been looking for, but will it be enough to make him a legitimate contender at 170 pounds? Following UFC Winnipeg, MMA Fighting’s Jed Meshew and Alexander K. Lee react to Malott’s “Proper” entrance into the welterweight rankings and where he goes from here. Additionally, Meshew and Lee discuss Burn’s career and retirement, the rest of the UFC Winnipeg action, RAF 8, Arman Tsarukyan going wild again, and more. Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Alexander K. Lee: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@AlexanderKLee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The Vox Media Podcast Network. Yeah. The victory horns, they sell. Maybe those victory horns they sure do. As UFC Winnipeg is in the book, and Mike Molot is your victor. Finishing Gilbert Burns, not only finishing him, but retiring him.

That is right, ladies and gentlemen. Gilbert Burns, the ringo hung up the dogs. Took them off, very sad scene at the end of Winnipeg in the Center's Life Arena. I'm entirely sure what that location is called. I'll stop my head, but putting a capstone on an up-and-down night for Canada and an up-and-down night for combat sports in General R.F. 8 also went down this evening, which I spent most of my time covering.

but this is primarily a UFC show. This is the UFC Winnipeg post show. I am your host, Jed Mishou of Emilyplating.com. And joining me, the king in the north himself, the man from Canada, not from Winnipeg, but, you know, close enough, my friend and yours, be wonderful, Alexander Cayley, AK, how are we doing tonight? Canada Life Center, Jed. Canada Life Center.

It's easy to remember. it's Canada and life is happening there and it's the center of the life that is happening in Canada. It's so easy to remember. It certainly was tonight, I'm saying. This is where we saw it all.

We saw it all. We saw the highs. We saw the lows. We saw victory. We saw defeat. We saw UFC debuts. We saw a legend, apparently. Fighting for the last time. Well, we hope it's the last time for his sake. But yeah, I was quite a minute. Canadian M.A. is back. Is it?

That is back. It's back. Four and five on the evening. You know, not a dominant night. Jamie Lynn Horth, you know, she had an argument. So you could swing it five, four, rat garbage, Mandel Nalo. Like, he was close. We were close to six and three.

He was close, and then he was very much not close. Listen, the man doesn't go to the scorecards, right? Win or lose, the man doesn't go to the score cards. But, yeah. We respect that. respect that and he'll be back and i know it's a little bit late for him to make his debut but i hope we get at least like 10 ufc fights out of mandol nalo and none of them going to the scorecards but uh i hope let's see let's see how he bounces back from this but yeah other than that um they're back

back in winnipeg i think first time was in seven years uh we may have overshot on our predictions nick balvin and i winnipeg's own nick balvin we said uh well he said i asked him he's the winnipeg expert He said eight out of nine. And I was like, I don't know. I just wanted to believe him. I'm an optimistic person. You are the Prince of positivity, buddy. And why wouldn't you hope for a candidate to do well?

I mean, I even have a banner up for this. Canadians, they went four and five, eh? Nice. And I think Vlaug didn't trains out of Canada. And he went to a draw. So, you know, up and down night for the old. Canadians, but not an up and down night for the Canadian. The man himself, magic, Mike Malott.

I've just decided I'm going to refuse to call him proper. It's a dumb nickname. It's a dumb nickname. It's dumb nickname. Jim A.1 Miller. Okay. Dumb nickname. I reserve the right to not acknowledge things I think are dumb, okay?

Robert the Reaper Whitaker. Robert the Reaper. Yeah, we bullied him mostly away. from that, not entirely, but mostly away from that. A.K., I'm going to level with you. I did not see most of this fight. I saw bits and pieces of it. It was on my second screen, but I was covering R.A.F. Tonight, and the Armand Suruki and Uriya Fabor, they basically ran concurrently. And so I missed a lot of this. I missed the finish in real time. I saw it after the fact

on the various replays, but I was doing a write-up and I looked up and all of the sudden Gilbert Burns was done and they were talking about it. So, AK, I'm going to lean on you and of course our wonderful viewers at home, we love you so much, to guide this conversation a little bit more and to tell me the important things

I may have missed around the edges I did not. We'll probably talk a little RF at the end. But AK, the big one, of course, Mike Mollat gets the victory. Third round TKO. What does this mean for Mike Mollad, A.K., because we talked about this a lot, coming in.

He was a big favorite. This was a set-up fight to move him into the top 11. I think that's the spot Gilbert Burns had. I guess, like, how, let's start with how, how did you, how do you rate Mila's performance even under the context of, or perhaps with the context of Gilbert Burns is no longer the same Gilbert Burns who fought for the title and, you know, established legend status in the promotion. Yeah.

It was a good performance. I give it a solid, honestly a B. And I mean that in a commentary way. Like that was sort of my expectation of what could happen. An A or an A plus would have been obviously just kind of blowing Gilbert Burns out of the water in the first round. Or like I think it had been gone the distance that might have been disappointing for some people. But like it was like a five round performance where he's just like knocking Gilbert over and over again. Might have been the A range.

As it was like this is this is what people thought would happen, I think. Gilbert Burns has a lot of mileage on him. One time, UFC Teletal Challenger, really in the top five for a long time. And for the most part, was only picking up losses to really good fighters. It happens. But I think we knew there was a age gap here, an athleticism gap. Not that Mike Vallottis was spring chicken, but certainly in terms of mileage, he has considerably less than Gilbert Burns.

And that's really how the fight played out. A little bit slow, very methodical from Mike Volat. He knew his jab. He's quite a bit bigger than Gilbert as well. He knew his jab was. money stuck with that when he could. When Gilbert came in close, he was hunting for an uppercut, had no issue really kind of stopping Gilbert's grappling attempts. Again, there's the size, there's the speed difference. So yeah, it's exactly. And then when he saw the opening

the third, I think he realized, well, I don't need to be so respectful anymore. He was up two rounds on the scorecards as far as I know. And he went for the kill, a beautiful combination to end it, just like they showed in slow motion. It was awesome. So well-timed. I don't think a lot of Welchweights could eat in that combo and certainly not Gilbert at this stage of his career. So sorry guys, I sound so subdued. Like I should be more excited for Mike Malat. But, you know, Jed asked, what does this mean from Mike Malat? And it doesn't thrust him into the center of the title conversation.

He doesn't join the Ian Machado Garry's and the Carlos Parchist and the Michael Morales's. Like, he's not in that tier yet. And I don't think anyone expected him to enter that tier with this win. When I had Nick on the show on Friday to preview this card, we kind of try to do a little bit of a look ahead for, well, What does it mean and what is his path? And I think if he can get another veteran, we thought like, ooh, if he could get like a Kamara Usman or something like that, like he could get that kind of fight?

Like I almost wish he had done a callout. He was being very Canadian about it. Then there is a path, but it still feels like he's, I would say, two fights away. Maybe if he's able to get Usman, which seems very unlikely. I just don't think, I think Usman has enough leverage. He has no interest in this fight. And it sounds like Leon Edwards, we don't know for sure.

I know Daniel Rodriguez has been calling. about so I don't know if that's actually in the works or it's just going down Rodriguez's side. So those former champion options might not be there. So it's a little unclear. If he's able to get one of those guys could be two fights away. And it also depends if they're going to have a card in Canada. So yeah, a B performance and a somewhat meaningful win.

From what I saw it looked like a fine but uninspiring performance, finishing sequence was good. I mean, the thing is Mike Ballots always. hit hard. We've always known that. And Gilbert's chanting it what it was. So this felt like it was an obvious one to me. I think if Kamar Usman gets off of this fight, he should jump on it promptly. I think that he could still beat Mike Maott. And that's probably not true of many of the other top contenders.

Is Bilal Mohammed booked? He fighting somebody soon? Is he doing REF? No, he did REF before. I don't comments. Let us know. Comments, let me know. They're on it right now.

I'm doing too much other stuff. No, no. I'm going to take a look for that. I'm sure the comments are already screaming at us right now. Oh, Gabriel Bond theme. Oh, yeah, that would have been a shame because that would be like the guy to go with from the lot. Because that could set him up. But I'm with you.

And that's not until June, though. So if you're Malat, keep that phone handy. Oh, absolutely keep the phone handy. You jump in on that. That's your opportunity. Yeah, because I'm with you. I think he's going to have to get two. It's good of him to get the finish.

And then he, you know, cruising to a tepid, uninspired, decision. I would have put a downer on a card that had some ups and downs, AK. There were some good moments, some exciting fights. But it really also, it felt to me, again, I was distracted for a lot of the main card. I saw most of the prelims uninhibited, but once the main card rolled around around eight, that's right when RF kicked off. And so I was pulled in two directions. It also still felt like a lot of the fights on the main card sort of just didn't have the same juice as we had earlier in the evening. And I think finishing it not in that fashion would have would have been maybe less than

optimal. Crowd sounded live, aka Winnipeg seemed to, don't believe that was a sold-out arena, but they seemed to give a good accounting of themselves at least. Yeah, very good crowd. They had a, I can't remember which, which fight was it was, there was a point taken. That was the, the Vologden fight, baby. Yes, the Vlogton fight. Great fight.

They had a, they did a take a point chant, which I love. I'm like, see, this is it. this is the house that George St. Pierre built, and then Rememortemoisville, and David Loizzo, you know, this is a novel. This fan base up here is still knowledgeable. If you go to Winnipeg, if you go to,

obviously, of Toronto, if you go to Montreal, which I don't know when we're going to see that again. But this is an educated crowd. So that was great. So respectful of Gilbert's end of the night. I thought that was a wonderful moment.

Of course, Gilbert unsurprisingly retires. Five straight losses. The man turns 40 in July. He's been fighting, if I think, 14 years as a pro. high level competition for a very, very long time. So I really appreciate that.

And you can see Malat. I think he almost, I don't know for sure. I think he almost wanted Burns to go first. I almost wanted to give him his moment first. And Malat, either way, used his own microphone time to kind of praise him and call him a legend. And then when Gilbert got a sock, he could barely get through it without the crowd chanting his name. And he's an emotional guy.

He's got in the head in the head a lot, too. He was crying. So it was nice. Overall, a good scene. Like, I think, I think Winnipegreciated itself well. Like I think we made a lot of jokes this week about how this people weren't looking forward to this card and how this obviously isn't like a huge, I don't know, a huge city, I guess when people think of the UFC and they think of MMA. But I honestly think Winnipeg should be a place that you go to every year. Same with Toronto.

I'm biased. I just wanted to come to more Canadian cities. But certainly Winnipeg at least once every two years. I thought they did great. You're not the only person. And a genuine shocker, Dana White is in Winnipeg. Yes. Speaking with the media, our friend Aaron Bronstetter is, of course, in attendance,

and is in general very good about sort of live tweeting the things that are happening in the presser. And White has been effusive with his praise for the Winnipeg crowd. Obviously, that is tied heavily into Mike Malott and then being invested in hoping to build some kind of a Canadian star with him. But a lot of love for the Winnipeg crowd. Apparently, he also was asked. about Connor McGregor and his never-ending return. And for the first time, Dana has said something positive towards it, saying it's looking good.

Once we get a deal done, we'll announce it, which is probably means that's happening as opposed to, well, not that he's coming back, but that they are at least going to get a contract signed. Because every other time Dana has spoken about it, he's been like he doesn't fight in the UFC. So we'll see how that goes. A.K.

Let me pull this up here. I just had them. I have to find them again. We do have bonuses for evening. Have you seen them already? Yes, I put them in our slack. So I've spoiled it already. You spoiled the bonuses.

That's a shame. I guess we can just announce it. The bonuses, fight of the night, Charles Jordan and Kyler Phillips, which, I mean, I don't think that's wrong.

That fight, again, I didn't see all of it. But I will just say, Vlogden did it again on the prelims. That fight ruled. Vlogden Castaneda was a ton of fun on the prelims. Wish they got a little more love than they got, frankly. Performance of the night, Mike Malott, Marcio, Barbosa.

I didn't see any of the Barbosa win. So, AK, do you think we got the pre-or, the bonuses right? Yeah, I think they nailed it. I mean, Rbosa just straight up Merced in the Bazooka. Respect to the Pizucia, like, it's just kind of what he's in the UFC for. I think he's one in four now. This is kind of why they bring this guy out. You know, just competent enough to get in there and do some offense and defend himself,

but not defend himself long enough for someone can't just put the kibosh on him. So great job there, yeah, by Barbosa. He's been like a pretty hyped guy before coming to the UFC and couldn't have gone better. 80 seconds, one punch knockout. And just look at the other ones. Of course, Malta was going to get it. He's in the main event. I really approved the Jardine Phillips Choice.

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I mean, Canadian? This is crazy, yeah. You just changed, not just a lot, but our whole economy with these $100,000 bonus. I still haven't seen the Barbosa K-O. I did see a tweet from... Buzucho, which was hilarious. Or his tweet was, did you see the tweet? No. It's great. His tweet was like, man, I was feeling really good in there

until I got knocked the F out. Yeah, yeah. Bazooka's like, he's done a lot of broadcasting and like podcast stuff. He's a pretty like self-aware guy. I always, uh, have a ton of respect for people are self-aware. I will say it does feel like, sure you want to give it to them a lot. Okay. it seems wrong that Jai Herbert doesn't get that.

That man was very close to being put out, and instead he sparked Mando hard. Feels like that guy should have gotten some love. But let's talk about the co-main of it very briefly. One fight of the night, as we just mentioned, Charles Jordane takes a unanimous decision win over Kylo Phillips. Kyle Phillips looked quite surprised by the announcement of this. Frankly, Jordane even kind of looked like he didn't think he was getting the decision.

speaks with Michael was Michael Bisping after? Is that who he talked to? Felder. Felder. Feldy speaks with Felder after and is a little self-deprecating. Crax's a joke. Says, you know, it's better for my family that I won. I'm obviously happy I won.

But definitely went full Canadian on the, oh, shucks. I don't know. A.K., we had a couple of interesting judging moments and the like. Was this one of them or was this the just winner? which should Charles Jordane have got his hand raised. Yeah, no, I thought it was fine. And I didn't think that judging on the night was honestly that bad.

I'll touch upon the horse decision in a bit. I get that's the one that really sort of... That is the one that I saw and believe is incorrect. Yeah, yeah. I'll get to that in a second. But I'll say this one. I felt Jordane did a lot more of the damage in this fight. I think he was, you know, maybe a little surprised because of how much control time Phillips had.

His wrestling was really good tonight. I think Kyle was wrestling was really good. I just don't know if he did enough with those positions. I think that's the problem. And I always felt Jordan, at least when they were on the feet. And even in the grappling exchanges, he was actually, before getting taken down, he was landing a lot of clean punches on Phillips while Phillips is working for those takedowns. And I just think you can't ignore those.

Like, he was really busting his face up. So no issue with the scoring for me. I wish Phillips had done a little bit more with those with the ground control. But what can you do? No issue there. The horse one is tough. I'll say for what it's worth, A.K. Yeah.

Jordane swept the MMA decision scorecard. So every media member had it all agreed 29, 28. It was just to deeply, I don't disagree, though I did not see the third round very closely. And I thought it was pretty obviously once heading into that final round. But it was I had to ask was like, because very clearly both men thought the decision was wrong in cage, which was like, you don't see that that. often. And then everyone else was like, no, that was totally correct. So yeah, good. I think he didn't like being in his back so much. I think in his mind was like, oh, I spent that much time in my back.

Well, that was he said right after it was my best. And that was his word. It was my best. But it was a good fight. They just won the fight a night. I think when you're in there, you have a totally different perspective of how the fight is going, right? You definitely can't see the force for the trees. Hold that thought. We'll get to that, okay. Okay. Because we're just going to go down this, the, get down the rest of this card, basically. And AK, we're going to, we're going to play a game. And that game is going to be called who stands out and the game is simple i'm going to talk i'm going to talk us through the rest of the fights in this card and uh if they stand out you're going to say they stand out and you're

going to tell me why this is something significant i need you to set aside prince of positivity i've got something positive to say about everything sometimes it can be like they won good for them uh jai herbert knocks out mando nalo uh comeback knockout quite frankly in a fight that it looked like he was about to get torched in seal of approval for jai herbert the black country banger yeah that's great and mandel nalo the guy's going to be in so many exciting fights as long as he can be in the uc well this will this finally will we talk about this more than the the eliotoprria almost k-o can we finally stop talking about that or we're never going to stop talking about that i mean we'll never stop talking about that because of what alytipuria is but this like i was literally thinking like oh yeah of course mando's

going to hit him because that's what happens and then out of nowhere jai hits him with that right hand I was like, oh, that's why I didn't bet on Manto because I was trying to remember. It was like, why did I just bet on Mando? I was like, oh, that's why I as he got launched to the floor. It was great. We move on to the women's flyweight division. Jasmine Yazadavishis takes a unanimous to win over Karene Silva. Do either of these women stand out in this fight?

We won't be remembering this fight much. Good for Jasmine. Got to bounce back from that from that tough loss to Mano. But yeah, we move on. competitive fight is what it is. It was, Jasmine. Gage Young takes a split decision over Tiago Moises S. A.K.

Does either man stand out from this fight? I just want to ask the chat. You guys simply have to leave your thoughts on this. Is Tiago Moises good? I just don't know. He was. He's not anymore. I think he still is.

No, I addressed this in the pre-fight Q and it. Because I, Tiago Moises is, all he did was lose to, like, the very best dudes and he beat like he has a lot of good wins on his resume and so he's just been like a top 20 dude forever and then when he lost to jared gordon i was like oh he might be cooked because you shouldn't lose to jared gordon if you're good uh and i was like but he still can beat gage young probably and he did not i did not think he won this fight he i thought he might win in the first round um but that's all he had and so uh he's just not good anymore he's he's he's It's too many, too many miles, you know?

I don't think Gage Young's good either because Gage Young didn't stand out for me, AK, is Gage stand out for you? I think he's okay. I like his style, but more from like other fights of his I've watched. So maybe this wasn't the one. The aphor, we moved to the prelims. The aforementioned Marcio Barbosa, knocks out Dennis Bajuka. I think, I think Barbosa stood out.

Apparently, I still haven't seen it, but everybody else seems to believe that this was cool. Yeah, man. And this guy, that's what he does. It's what he does. This is now 15 knockouts and 18 wins. It's what he does, man. He's just going in and take Bill's heads off. So he stood out a big way.

It's a lot of knockouts. Robert Valentine defeats Julian LeBlanc. Did I the man stand out in this one of the worst fights I've seen? Julian LeBlanc is not good. He stands out for being bad. Yeah, Valentine, I mean, listen, also a fighter guy has been used as an enhancement talent, I guess. And I thought at first, until I looked more into this fight, that's what was going to happen here. Now we realize it was maybe the other way of very.

round just a weird matchup to have on a UFC card, to be honest, with respect to both guys. Very strange matchup. A very strange one. I believe he shouted out his mother, who's in tears afterwards. So there's that. Gokin Sarcom stops Tanner Bozer

handing Canada another loss in the evening. Either man stand out. Of course, go guys. 35 years young, man. 35 years young. He's ready to take over the heavyweight division. Remember when I said at the start of this game that we're not going to use fake positivity?

Oh, did you forget that one of the game? Nothing fake about it, brother. women's ban and weight Melissa Croton Defees Daria Zelisnikova by unanimous decision anyone stand out in this Yeah I mean this fight was fun Actually I enjoyed this fight I thought this fight was going to suck after the first round

Because the first round was bad And then Melissa Croden made it a fist fight and it got fun So listen Croton might be closer to a title shot than Jasmine I'm just saying it's possible genuinely possible Which is sad but she's got that dog in them in her. JJ Aldrin defeats Jamie Lynn Horth.

Did either woman stand out and now, AK, please wax poetic on certainly the biggest judging controversy of the evening. No, I don't want to talk about it too long. And I will say,

I probably could have watched it closer. So I, the numbers favor of Jamie Lynn Horth. I would never tell people to judge a fight by just stats. But if you go to you see Stats.com, paints a pretty favorable picture for the Canadian.

But some of the moments I was watching, like it did feel like JJ, and this is kind of like a lot of her fights, I felt like she was landing some of the cleaner shots. She was not winning the volume battle. Very clearly not winning the volume battle. That's what Jamie Lynn does.

She just kind of walks and pulled down and she kind of throws and throws and she's really tough so she can eat shots and, you know, sometimes it looks really good in the cards, right? Today, for whatever reason, did not convince them. I'm a little surprised she didn't get the decision. I don't think it's a, I'll be honest, I don't think it's straight up robbery. I do think like if you break it down and I know people say, well, that's not like, you know, the judges should, I don't know, like they don't think the judges have that kind of perspective, I think they deserve a little more respect than we're giving them in this case.

I think they could tell, especially when you're Caged side and anyone who sat Caged side, you can gauge the impact of strikes a little bit better. So I had it for Horth. A lot of people had it for Horth, apparently. I don't think like it's an egregious robbery. But I'm very, I'm very hard on robberies too. You guys know I'm very hard to create a fight of robbery. So make up that what you will. Also make of this what you will, Dana White says of that fight, all three judges scored it the same and two of them were Canadian. So, oh, okay.

So you know, so he's saying it was all good. He's saying correct. Even with the Canadian bias, he's with you. He's like, look, we know that Canadians are going to be biased. And they all agreed. So case closed as far as I'm concerned. We move on two last fights. John Castaneda takes on Mark Vlogden.

They fight to a majority. majority draw. Castaneda wins one of the judges' scorecards. He has a point deducted in the second round in a terrific bit of refereeing, frankly, because he hoofed Vlogden, right, right in the nethers. He got real upset when the fight was stopped because right after he just punted him in the nards, he then landed a crisp right hand and clearly felt like, I've been denied.

and he is complaining about it and then you get the replay and it's buddy you weren't even like kind of pretending the leg kick here there wasn't like even really a side motion it was just up like you just clean to the roof there

it could have worked it could have worked in the middle of a combo I mean maybe that's the best time to do it who was the ref on that one I have no it wasn't Jason Herzog it wasn't it might have been Herzog actually I have right

I want to say that it was it was a great bit of refereeing from hersog despite castaneda's many protestations immediately sees it stops about and then when the bout is ready to reset takes a point because you also that low blow led to like five unanswered punches oh good bit of referee it affected the action it meaningfully affected that round for sure so stone perfect work uh from from referee from referee Jason Herzog. Can you, can you adopt? Can you adopt Volta?

Why are you fighting this? You said he's a friend. Look, we don't adopt willy-nilly. You got to, it takes a couple of fights. He's on, he was on the radar

after the contender series because he's got the bozo in him. But you have to let the bozo be front forward. Like that's, that's part of the Michoud thing. Unless the only one who's not is my beautiful boy,

Kevin Villios, because I just like him a lot. So he, he gets to not be a bozo, but everybody else has to as a bozo. Mark Vlogden he got a lot of heart and a lot of bozo in him. The man threw three

or four rolling thunder, so I love him. He's in your front yard rolling around on the grass, saying, look at me, look at me. Can I come? Can I be part of the family? We have them over for dinner, but you got to rush into these things. Relationships, family

lasts a lifetime, A.K., you cannot rush into these. You know, I was burned by Demolador. This is, this is true. You remember. You don't talk to him anymore. Yeah, we had to. You were closest, you were closest kin once.

I heard you do not talk to him anymore. Look what he did. Look what he did to us. So you got to make these choices. And then last but not least, John Janus kicks the night off with some nasty elbows in the first round against Jamie Saraj. Bit of an upset of memory serves.

Anyway, stand out on that one, AK. Yeah, Janus for sure, man. We were, Mike and I were lining him up for like Tom and McMillan and say no this guy's a job guy and all the vibes were against him he's in enemy territory james stradge got this great story how long it took him to get to the ufc and having this very serious very scary illness if you guys see the pictures of it like i can't even describe it what it did to like his skin and really scary uh to think that then that guy would would um then be making his uc debut eventually uh so we'll see jamy again good for him but this was yonness's night good for him man

like forget the odds forget people like me saying like oh this is you're here to get rolled over it's not they fight the fights man first round finish uh shout out to the 36 jm e able for super sticker which i'm not going to lie to you i don't even know what that means well we love you for that thank you we thank you deeply much appreciated uh aka one other thing to talk about before we do a very brief q and a get out of here not going to be a long show this evening ladies and gentlemen and it is r a f eight did you see the big clip from raf eight aka because a A thing happened when Alman Surukin went out there and decided he was going to wrestle your eye of favor. Have you seen the clip?

I watched some footage from a young man named Mike Heck, and it was a little disturbing. He was a crazy person. It was insane. Look, R.F does not pay us any money. I'm going to be super clear about this. I just think that they put on a good product. If you were interested in wrestling, I think it is worth your time. I have been a casual wrestling fan for many years,

and this is sort of like my sweet spot of that event kicked off at 8, that event wrapped at 11. It was a tight three hours. There were 11 wrestling matches. They get them moving. A lot of, like the worst dude at, like literally the least credentialed person there was your eye of favor. Obviously a huge name.

It's a lot of fun. World Champions, Olympic gold medal. list. There's one glaring problem with the whole production. Outside of like, you can have, it feels vaguely nationalistic at times, but like whatever. Julia Pena, or

Julianna Pena is the worst, but I guess that's just going to be their thing. But they're doing a very good job. I support their product. And Armand Srukeen has used it very much to his benefit and to RIFs, but he keeps being a crazy

person, AK, because I'm still not sure why he was wrestling your eye favor other than your eye favor is famous he was obviously going to tech fall your eye favor he is much younger and much bigger than your eye favor and also much better at wrestling than your eye favor so it didn't really make sense in general for this to be happening

and Sarukian is enough of a like he he knew I'm not going to blow the doors off him in 12 seconds I'm going to try and put on a show and give people their money's worth and so he carried Faber into the third round third period or whatever but in the second period maybe it was the end of the first but i think it was the second period he just grabs a single i was like oh he's

going to finish this and it's going to be over now and instead he sprints 30 yards with this grown man hopping on one leg and drives him over the announced table and onto the canvas or not the canvas the concrete sorry it was again another episode of arm and siruky and doing something insane thankfully nobody was hurt favor was like mad in the moment because of course and then they sort of put it away when it was over and everybody seemed fine with it but uh what's wrong with arm and seruky and i guess that's really my question boy um i was thinking what to say and i'm like i i i don't it sounds a little cliche i know he sort of plays up this i'm a rich boy image um which kind of suggests to me he he feels like he can do what he wants he maybe doesn't fear consequences and never has had to again

i'm painting in pretty broad strokes here but he embraces that image right i mean we just had the whole story with him getting removed from an american airlines flight and even his version of the story i don't know if he thought it would exonerate him but even his version's kind of like yeah you you're you're feeling like you're kind of out of line here but um not that he was doing anything crazy he just says him and his friends didn't sit down when you're supposed to be being assholes. They just sound like they're being assholes. AI is moving fast across the enterprise.

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Who's going to punch some. Well, no, he punched. He punched Georgio, right? Correct. Yeah, yeah, he punched pool. So he's going to punch someone after a wrestling match. It's, we can laugh at all. These things happen in MMA, as they say, or in wrestling and combat sports.

But yeah, I wouldn't blame people if they're getting a little tired of these antics, because we just want to see him fight in big UFC fights. And the behavior is a little clownish at times. Yeah, it's the whole buildup. He in favor, like, had this weird pre-fight presser where, there's no reason for them to beef and they're just like kind of manufacturing it and the beef is really just Armand

kind of being an ass at times like he'll just be like oh now the wind has taken me towards assholeville and this is where my ship has moored so that was insane what a lovely way of putting that is the nicest way of saying like someone says that dick it's just like it is so poetic

he can be like perfect and for like half of that presser it was nice and after the match like he denied that he did it intentionally which I mean maybe I'm skeptical it's a long way to do a pushout for that to have not been at least

a little intentional but afterwards he let Faber throw him like you know everybody was okay but it's just it's just like bro what if you what if you not could we not could we just be adults here it's a strange strange thing that's going on

so I don't know what to make of him. One of the, like, there's only so many times you can do something ludicrous, and it won't totally bite you in the ass. And fortunately, again, they jumped off the safe wrestling mats to a concrete floor and a four foot drop or whatever.

Nobody got hurt. Someone could definitely get hurt doing this. So we hope that that happens. Imagine if he just, like, broke paper his leg or broke his own leg. Imagine, like, broke his leg. Yeah. Again, anything. anything like you don't have to break like you could break anything do it like falling on to concrete so

shoulder shoulder just cracks just like oh my gosh uh afterwards he called out colby covington who's sitting uh ringside covington came up they had a disrespectful respectful respectful back and forth where colby is so much better in rf it's astonishing like he's so much more like chale where he will talk trash but it's not like oh i mean it it's like we're all having fun thing. They did that. He called out jail. We'll see. Allegedly he might wrestle Kobe Covington. I think the UFC may have something to say about that, but we'll find out.

So that is it for our stuff, ladies and gentlemen. We are over the time we wanted to do, but we must get to some questions. So we're going to do a very truncated Q&A so we don't spend forever on a relatively insignificant fight night. or let's be honest about that sorry canada we had some fun though uh i've got a few pulled already that i'd like to get to and if you've got any fire them down course super chats will always get priority uh it's a pay to play system baby that's how we go uh first up critical cameron thank you for the for your canadian dollars i hope you enjoyed these fights of your homeland who ripped off the canadian flag from a lot why i have no idea what happened here did somebody

ripped a Canadian flag off Mike I totally missed this so I'm just kind of looking back on the comments now apparently so you're saying it was staff it might have been a staff staff that took it away but I don't know this is unclear it's unclear I think someone's it's it seems weird that they would take a Canadian flag from the Canadian main eventor in Canada um but yeah uh from hkari from akari earlier did arm and call out Colby for r a f or uc match called them out for raf match he called him out at R.A.F. 7 and then they did this favorite one because Kobe is allegedly wrestling Chris Wydenman, though he says he'd rather wrestle him and we'll see how it all shakes out. Also, AK, fairly big news from R.A.F. today as well. One Hamzaa Shemayev, close personal friends with

Arman Surukin, has been signed to R.A.F. They did not announce a debut opponent or date for him, but Pierce Zahamsat will be making his RIF debut. I would, would assume it will come after UFC 328 because I can't imagine he would wrestle before he has a title fight with Sean Strickland. But he's crazy. He's also crazy. So maybe that's wrong. I feel like the UFC probably wouldn't allow that one though. From Lazybed, our buddy, AK, if the UFC had a Brazil card scheduled for this year.

Do you think Gilbert would have stuck around for one more back home? Okay, I will say, on the pre-fighter. Q and A, this is basically what I says. Like, I think he's going to lose. I don't think he retires in the ring because I think he'll probably just want to go home. Like, he won't want to go out being the walkover

man in on foreign soil. Like, he can at least get one or try to get one at home. Not how it shook out tonight, obviously. Do you think that there's anything to this? If the UFC did have an August trip to Rio plan, do you think Gil might

have hung around? I mean, I don't even think this hypothetical. I think there's a chance that if this happens, he just goes like, oh, all right, I'll put the gloves back. You know, listen, I took the gloves off. Let's put him back on. It's true. You don't have to do it. As Sean Sheehan always says when some retirees in the UFC, he always tweets out like, oh, congratulations. And he says, can't wait for the next one. Because we have seen that before when the right opportunity comes along. So, yeah, it's not a hypothetical at all. It just might not beke over his last fight. They can give them a somewhat favorable or perhaps more age-appropriate opponent in Breyo or something.

or Brasilia. Come back. A couple of ideas here. Hamzaa versus Yowel would be fun. Yeah, would be. Good luck. That would be good. Good luck in them to fight night.

I'll tell you one that I think RIF probably will be looking at doing. We'll see if it's possible and if the UFC has to say in this, frankly. Hamzaat versus Bo Nichol. Those two obviously have a fair amount of beef. Not sure the UFC would let that one fly, but if RIF can pull that off, that'd be great. AK, we talked about this fight, but do you think the Nalo stoppage was late?

If it had been stopped the first time he got knocked down and like his head was getting bounced off the canvas, I wouldn't have complained. But he was on the most basic level. He did sort of recover for a minute after that. And he was defending. Like on the most basic level he was, his legs weren't like flopping around.

They actually were like still in the position sort of kind of keeping controlling the other guys controlling Herbert's posture a little bit. It reminded me a little bit of like when Shane Carmen was beating on Brock. The Brock never got like quite as days I think during that flurry. And I've always defended that non-stoppage.

So I'm going to say I'm going to say it wasn't late then. I think Nalo. I think Mando, I think Nalo was okay. He wasn't okay. You could definitely stop the fight. Sorry, but I don't be late. From Pope, RIF in Dallas next month might have to check that out live.

Mike's gone to several of them live. I've watched almost all of them at this point. The crowds, it seems to be at smaller locations, but the crowd seems super alive. The Kyle Snyder match tonight was insane. He got an 04 or 06 hole immediately. And I was like, oh, he's going to lose. And then the crowd, like, really rallied behind him and he ended up winning comfortably. It seems like an event that would be fun to attend.

Also, three hours, you're in and you're out. They move. So credit to them. A couple more here from Lazy Bed. And this, I think, is a good question. It's lazy, but of course it is. Does Burns' career warrant a Hall of Fame spot? And if not, does the Hamzot fight warrant a Hall of Fame spot?

A.K., I'd like to answer, because I've had some time. I do not believe Gilbert Burns' career warrants a Hall of Fame spot. I don't think the Hamzot fight warrants a Hall of Fame spot. And I have a book that comes with a major caveat. And the major caveat is this. I think that the U.S. does the Hall of Fame quite poorly in that, it's very stupid to have one fight inducted every year because every year there's a fight of the year and there are a lot of fights so you are never going to get ahead or even get to parity

on fights that should be in the hall so like i wouldn't be upset if they did announce gilbert verne versus hamzot but that's like 30 on the list and more fights will come and so just how do you do it So if they open up, I have pitched for a while that they should add a performance bonus to the Hall of Fame and that they should induct more than one fight, that they should induct two or three fights a year to the Hall of Fame. Because there's no shortage of great fights to recognize an honor. And if that happened, I'd be much more open to Gilbert Burns. Homsop making it in there in the next 10 years or so. But I, there are, like, I can just think of like 10 fights right now without even trying. that aren't in the hall and should be in over that.

So I would say no to both. Yeah, it's a tricky one because the two guys that really make the Hall of Fame murky right now. I mean, it's pretty murky as it is. Donald Seroni, he made it in, right? We had a big thing for Donald Serroney. He did. Yeah, Donald Serroney, who holds all kinds of records. And of course, at the time he was inducted, he basically had every record for like longevity.

And I had no problem with it. I had no problem. Same with Jim Miller. Jim Miller mix it in. I also think Jim Miller, I think Jim Miller, is unequivocally a Hall of Famer. Yeah. But it's weird because you're going to have a lot of guys who, again,

are kind of borderline cases who theoretically were a higher rank. Like, Gilbert's made it closer to UFC title than Jim Miller. That does not mean Gilbrens has had a better career than Jim Miller. So that's not what we're celebrating. We're celebrating the, I guess, the entirety of someone's career. But again, you're going to have people saying, well, this guy fought for a title and this guy fought for a title.

And this person won an interim title. Shouldn't they be in there instead of Jim Miller? It's going to be like Nico Montagnos. So I'm going to make a case for Nico Montaño someday. I don't know. But yeah, there's just no clear standard yet. Like, there just really isn't. And I don't think Gilbert should make it in.

But again, if Jim Miller mixed it in, Donald Sorony makes it in, you're going to have all people arguing for the Gilberts and the Anthony Smiths and so on and so forth. So I don't know. Just a couple more that have got pulled. We will get out of here, folks, from Pope 85. I don't think the UFC knew this was his retirement or that have had something ready for him. I agree. I can I think.

No. They maybe could have like pre-built something on the off chance, but like I we talked about before and I did not anticipate Gilbert Burns retiring in Cage tonight. It's hard because the once the Michael Keyes had them ahead of time. Coe wants him told them ahead of time. We had a few instances. Robbie Lawler said ahead of time and you get the videos. I think Michelle Waterson pretty sure she also did tell them ahead of time. She told them.

Yeah. So there you go. And I actually thought it worked out better this way. It was just such a nice organic moment. Like I'm kind of okay with them not giving him a video as fine. I wouldn't call it a nice moment. He was sobbing for most of the post fight. Sobting tears of joy.

They could lay his sword down. It just didn't seem like they were very joyful. He's laying a sword. From Joey Bosa. How bad is it when fans have to tell ruffs to take a point because the ruffs won't do it automatically. Give him a minute. He was going to do it.

He was going to do it. He did. But the take a point chat, man, that was terrific from Winnipeg. Way to go. And we are going to end on this because it is both top going from our dear friend, Harmon Sorai. Pre-fight. I was wondering how high Malat's ceiling could be with an impressive win.

Does your opinion change after this win? Can he be a top five to eight welterweight contender in this division, A.K. I'm looking at the names. Like, yeah, because I could see him beating Balal. I could see him being Leon. Camaro, Camaro, I feel like weirdly has aged a bit better than Leon has, at least recently. Boy, I don't know. Five to eight, I mean, five to eight is pretty modest.

It is pretty modest. And we're assuming some of these other guys are going to age out. But again, we keep mentioning this. Like, Malad is not a super young guy either. So I don't know. But I guess he's a little bit of a late bloomer. So maybe there's still some upside there. What's the exact wording of the question again?

Sorry, Joe, what was the? Oh, wow. That's not there anymore. Can he be a contender? Do you think he can make it? Can be a five to eight? Yeah, does this change your opinion? Can he be in the five to eight range of a welterweight contender?

Yeah. I'll say, I don't know. know about the range thing i will say it did change my opinion a bit because i was not certain that he would be gilbert burns i picked him for sure i was confident i was not certain i was not like oh this is a walkover i was still kind of wondering how much gilbrandt has left i still think gilbert's a big step up from everyone he's fought um besides from neil magnate but you can make a case that uh yeah i don't know magny's still pretty good uh so yes it did raise his ceiling up to the top potentially like cusp of the top five, I'll say no. I'll say no. I'm just not confident he beats anyone from like one to eight.

I think that this was a bit of a neutral for me. He didn't drop in my estimation. He didn't gain a lot. This felt more like, yeah, Gilbert's, it's good, good that Gilbert hangs up and he got the win. You know, if he cracks into that top 10, I think can be done. But, you know, like, I'm, I don't. I I might pick him against Leon Edwards. I think he feels like walking Buckley to me. They feel in a very similar tier of like, yeah, maybe if they get lucky,

they can win some of these fights, even if I won't pick them too. It kind of just feels like the zone he is in. So, um, but that's why you get to fight fights. We get to find out these, these very things.

Okay. We're going to leave now. You hear the, you hear the fancy music playing. Uh, we've got more things coming. MMAfighting.com has all your post-fight coverage for U.S.C. Winnipeg, RF8. We're going to go work on some of that now, AK, tomorrow.

You're on to the next one with a special guest. Who might it be? It is Jay Anderson of, I've got to make sure I get this right. I always mess up his website name. So Caged Side Press, Jay Anderson and Cajside Press. Great dude, very knowledgeable. He's in Winnipeg right now. He'll be coming back close to my side of it.

Canada when we record the show. So yeah, looking forward to that. Tune in for that. And then we are on to UFC Vegas 116, I believe. And Al Jermaine Sterling, the champ, getting back into action. We'll have all that covered next week. I don't remember if there's anything else on top of that. But until then, keep it locked atmugheyfai.com. Thank you for tuning in.

Love y'all. Y'all are the best. Happy birthday, AK Emotein'emotes and chat. Bye.