Modern Wisdom - #020 - Jordan Wallace, Paul Warrior and Tim Briggs - The Mindset Game; Can You Teach Mental Toughness In Sport?

Episode Date: July 2, 2018

A fond welcome back to UK CrossFit coaches, nutrionists & athletes, Jordan Wallace, Paul Warrior and Tim Briggs. This week, I wanted to dissect their views on mindset in sport. An athlete's performance in CrossFit, Powerlifting, Endurance Racing and many pursuits is heavily mediated by their mental game, but can you teach it? Or is mental toughness an innate skill you either have or you don't? As usual we got distracted and wildly careered off-topic. Expect to hear some very contrasting views on mindset for sports, their frank & honest feedback after the 2018 CrossFit Regionals, and what their opinions are on Adam Collard's performance on Love Island. Find out more: www.ReebokCrossFitTyneside.com www.WarriorProgramming.com www.WeDominateNutrition.com  Check out everything I recommend from books to products and help support the podcast at no extra cost to you by shopping through this link - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, hello, hello. This week by popular demand, I've got Jordan Paul and Tim from We Dominate Nutrition Warrior Programming and Rebot CrossFit Time Side back in the hot seat to talk about mental toughness in sport. Well, that was what we were supposed to talk about. If you listen to the last episode, you'll know that it was a little bit difficult to keep them on track, but yet again, absolute gold from start to finish in this. So expect to find out what their individual takes on what mental toughness means and whether or not it can be cultivated and how within athletes. I think you've got three very differing, very contrasting views on mental toughness and on the mindset game in general. We also get to find out what their thoughts are on Adam Collard, being Hunderlow Violent,

which is obviously what everyone's concerned about. Also Paul brought his Seaman and Blood jugger's in. So if you want to see them in their full majesty, make sure that you head to YouTube, search, modern wisdom podcast on there, all of the episodes will be up with full video files as well. Check that out, but in the meantime here we go. Jordan Paul and Tim. What was happening here? I wanted to know that earlier I was like, I'll work after that. Jumping on the wall man. Why was it giving me an award? Parkour. That's Parkour. Did you shut the parkour? Parkour, do parkour. X-ray! That's parkour, did you shut parkour?

Parkour! X-ray! We see those videos, but the kids are doing parkour. And they're like, rodent, don't go like this, don't go. We can't find them, could we ever? Parkour! You got the skirts? Still, not gonna miss, still not. Two sorry, two sorry, one day.

Box size, sorry. You can wear the both in the same one pants, it's about half. Ah, don't you put the shirt in the same one pants? You know, I get 357 pounds. Oh, 156 pounds. It's really good. Mate, they are, they are shite, they're my catastrophic, aren't they? They're so bad.

What, who actually makes them? That was the great. No, but like who? Who's semen is it? No, who makes the clothes? Do you know what, but like who? Who's semen is it? No, who makes the clothes. Do you know what, like, did that, did that be all the money back? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Then built of North Tractive Fountains are like 15 quidassummon. Yeah, these are some thick quality. They're just, they're with the pan.

They're with the right size of man. They were that enough off the main. It was 16 quid at the most. I remember getting in here. This is too coarse. You're right in there. You're in the hot seat. Why am I in the mic?

Why'd you look like one? Why am I in the mic? Everyone's in the mic made? Very cool. You know what I'm saying? No, it's not. I can't. I a fucker that kind. I like it.

Oh boy. Yeah, man, we're already going. We'll go from your pants. Oh, so need parkour and was it for my... Did he back on video? Probably, yeah. Where's my car? I still put that on.

Parkour. So Jordan, Paul and Tim, from We Donate Nutrition, we've got cross-it-side worry programming. built up north and about 45 other businesses as well. In fact today, hi. Hi Chris. Hi there. Hi there. How was regionals?

It was good. Tell you who you go. It was good. There's a good time out there. Had fun all the way through, ready? Different experience is all ready, but in a coaching aspect? Why different? Jordan wasn't there competing.

Yeah. It was weird to see the other side of it. How did you find it for the first time? It was just, we had it was like super relaxed. Whereas normally it's obviously quite intense isn't it? Like, you're like better for a certain time, you're up at a certain time, you're stressing about stuff, like there was none of that. So it was cool. Just chillin out, I'm gonna be on the night. It was, it was to be honest, no jeans, no jeans, bro. But to be honest it was like, it's very boring. It's very boring. Like after

the team had been on, it was like great, but then that first day just dragged on so long. Was that was the first day of the one with the most? It had the longest event since all like after the team had been on the team were finished by like 10. 10 or 11 and then that was all was was that triple three? Yeah, we were there at all six watching people run on the treadmill for now, so that was. Did anyone talk about that? I saw loads of videos of people that were playing around the room. I was in the room in our region. That it's been phenomenal.

It's been a long time since we've never. No one in our region. That it's been phenomenal. It's been a long time. I've seen a lot of throat down himself. I think it's still headscarf at the finish line as well. It's still headscarf at the finish line. Let's do them off a second. Yeah. My thoughts, man. That's how I've been met.

I've pooped up on myself. I've already pooped. Yeah, I told you. You're talking about screaming and then you keep going. I was running and I was dripping. I wouldn't wear this but shoes. So do me. Would you win? Yeah. I was running and I was dripping. I wouldn't wait. Let's make shoes. It's a deal man. Would you win?

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Well, that's exactly what's happening to my parents. Yeah, all the athletes, absolutely. It's a pretty loose. And yeah, desperately, desperately one thing. Yeah, constipates. So yeah, just wanting everyone to succeed. And obviously, like, you know, no one got to the game. So obviously, there was like, it levels of success vary.

Depending whether it was like overcoming something that was, that you're brick in it, that you couldn'ticking that you couldn't do or you know having things in the bag that when you go out on the floor just doesn't pay off I mean it's just like high and mouth the whole time. I mean I think I think it'd be like a week later I'm actually pretty chilled out about it now but I think like I think I was pretty like you know how we had people in the region after the week after we had like an athlete in a region in Latin America. And then the week after we had it, there was a team in the region region, plus a whole bunch of friends.

Even one more program in you then. Yeah, just people that we have program for are people who are like, or we know, we talked on a personal level, but like Willie, like I've spoken to him a few times, he's a good guy, like I wanted him to do well. Willie, Willie, Willie is really good. We need more Willie at the games. And yeah, of course, you know, Meg was there and other people that we've kind of worked with in the past are really close friends towards.

Yeah. Younger. So do you feel, so when someone like Meg Loveve or Alex Junger who have maybe built a foundation either within the gym or within diet side or within the training side, once they've moved on do you still feel like a level of ownership of their performance to a degree? Not really, I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say ownership because like... Not okay. I wouldn't say ownership but I'd I wouldn't say ownership, but I'd say it's nice to see that I always come back to the same thing, like a tiny little gym from the northeast,

kicking out all these giraffes. We've got people who, you know, Alex Younglis from like, lives around the corner from me. It's like, it was my best friend. It's always on the opposite side of the world, completely in the country. It's ridiculous. It's crazy. It's great, it's great. It's a great team world completely in the rush of it. It's ridiculous. It's crazy. It's mentally important.

It's a great team part of it though. Like the journey you've getting those guys from a certain level and now they're right up here in different regions right around the world and seeing that progress. It's been a lot of that periodized, right? It's contributed in all the times. It's not necessarily by someone else. You know we're not involved right now. It's nice to have been involved at some point. Obviously you

want to do better with you. Yeah, you're still a little bit like a being honest but at the same time like getting the ball still out of friends and we still talk to them all on a social level. So like there was a girl I used to program for in the Meridian region. She came like fourth in France. Right. Slightly better about it. I love it. She left like last year. This is program that nutrition got you. But it's slightly better about it. She did well. It's great that she did. I was going to say it must be difficult to let go of that.

When we were smaller, when we were smaller and everyone was really close to everyone. I think it was a little bit harder when people left. You're smaller up there. Especially the gym was much more family oriented and when people left it was like, it's like one of your members you're family moving with. It was like, I want to stay. You know, so you're all sound vicious for ourselves and the team and the gym, so you're like, shit, I, help these guys contribute.

But um, that in reality, you know, like as that happens more and more and cross fits more popular, people are going to get jobs elsewhere. It's a skill, isn't it? Yeah. You know, you have one first night of 100 leave. It seems like a lot. You have just seven out of 700 is in percentage. The thing is, the thing is great.

I was surprised. I suppose that the business now, you know, we dominate nutrition and worry programming, the service in an awful lot of athlete, but at varying levels, you know, you've got a number of different packages and it's like, well, where are you? Obviously, you want to be able to demonstrate your, your programming with athlete to the absolute pinnacle of the sport. Yeah. But there's no reason in and of itself why someone making it to the games pinnacle of the sport. Yeah. But there's no reason in and of itself,

why someone making it to the games is any more impressive than someone going from completely sedentary to being a good local level cragly. That's more impressive. Yeah, mine. It's just the less there's less a claim to it. Oh, just see as well.

Just look as good on a flyer. I think those guys who are going for the games and have those aspirations, they're a lot more like needy's not the right term, but there are a lot more needy. They're required, we need a lot more attention. We need a lot more attention. They need stuff to be explained to them

because they want to understand, they have that need to have an understanding whereas people at that lower level, they don't really care. If they're getting better, they're happy. They don't want to know why they're getting better. There's probably so much low hanging fruit, I guess, for people as well. It's experiential at that early stage as well.

Just how quick they can grow compared to the plateau, then it's just marginal gain. That's the curve like that, you know, like on the first start doing, especially something that's even semi- semi-weight, semi-personized for them. It's so much more productive for them so that the sort of curve them getting better is like so aggressive. I mean I imagine that allowing some of your athletes to step out onto the competition floor after you've been with them for ages and prepped them and built them up must be similar to the feeling that I've got about Adam

Collard going on love Island. You've built them up in the valicum and then he's gone crap damn you've cut the free mean you've caught you free you've got this roughly hewn rock that you've found and you've polished it and buffed it for years and years and you've calmed it down and then you've say on it to where. But how do you have the pen? You've justmed it down, then you've say on it's way. But how do you throw it in? How do you always fail at these? Now I've got 200,000 followers on Instagram.

Well, again, you know, like... He's a lot more famous than you know. He is? Some of your athletes can deadlift more than you though. Do you feel mad about them? That's true. That's a great, not a comparison. You're right, Bernie. That's true. That's a great, that's a great comparison. I can do two things, Deadlift's one of them.

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What did you want to have at the age of 40? It's the guy. He's the one guy that's not. What was the watch? I don't know. What was the watch? They don't issue the program. They don't know me.

They don't put the program on the table. Imagine that as a tag. Did you go to college? Did you do Barbies? You did do Barbies. I only saw Dunbar Thrustez, but he's looking rather mice, he's doing them. So he's doing quite a lot. Did you do that? Did you do burpees? You did do burpees. I only saw Dunbar thrusters but he's looking rather mice, so he's doing quite a lot. 15 kilos.

15 kilos. I got the use of that during the opening of someone's girlfriend. You did cook, look. You know, actually, somebody came up and said that to me. You do not only. I'm just sweaty. Someone has a byproduct of a high metabolism. Yeah, I'm just sweaty. So, I'm one of high, is a byproduct of a high metabolism? Yeah, I'm fine, bro. And stuff going on.

I'm fine. I'm fine. You kind of got what's my came up to you and said, you can't look like that unless you're oiling up. It's impossible. That's what they said. I don't know much about the oil situation. Very sweaty.

Do you like to take baths in baby oil or something, like soap and then your skin? No, and then, it's greasier. Yeah, when I'm sweaty. You are off the sweaty when you get off the warm up run. Well, we do strength portions of the workout and I sweat like it's cardio, so. Yeah, you do. Just warm. You're just a warm, warm heel.

You're a warm heel. You've got a bit of a bead on now. I actually went and told about it. You're on the brink. That's why you was talking about the kill and getting some olive oil. Probably. Probably. Obviously.

Yeah. It's like earnest to get some of that halloumiye. I'll throw it away. Just rub a bit. I don't want my face. Collard's tongue. How did that happen? His tongue. Beds, I think. He went from, he's barely time to begin with like a five on the scale of time.

I'm shocked. I'm going to be careful. I was going to say, is he changed race now? I just go for it. He's very dark. Well, I think naturally, he's in the sun all day. It's done quite dark, but my darkest I've ever been in my life was after I came off, and that was after like three and a half weeks of...

Came off what? Love Island. Oh, the sun better. I'm sure it is. Yeah, I think it might as well... It might as well have been, because after review all that happens, because yeah, you've... It's just high velocity, sun rays, all the time, and all you're wearing shorts.

To about a tanninger. It is, yeah, on the minute, every all you're wearing shorts. Too bad, I'm telling you that. It is, yeah, on the minute, every minute. Yeah, time. Bit of a minute, 24 hours. For time. On the minute, every minute of D. Three. I mean, that's later in the season,

when Colour has put some groundwork in it. Yeah, sure. So, we've got two topics that we can talk about. One of them is going to be mindset. One of them is going to be nutrition, which one do you want to go for today? I've got mindset. That's got mindset because I think it will be good to do one with Timmy on nutrition because they're just separating us. Cool. So, my question, my main question about mindset within sport is, you guys try and prepare your athletes as best as possible with periodization for strength,

the energy levels for the mood, managing everything that you can to get them to have the highest ability, the highest access to all of their potential output or performance within, let's say, a cross-fit competition. But the same would be true if you were a gymnast, if you were a... I'm so glad that you got the steady. Um... If the same would be true if you were a power lifter or presumably a martial artist, or whatever it is. Yeah, whatever it is.

Um, but the biggest mediator of someone's output of their potential is whether or not in their mind they tell themselves to do it. Like if someone is in the middle of a really long horrible workout Why they're longs of burning and the legs are aching and the mind's telling them to stop them telling themselves not to stop Makes all the difference in the world. Yeah, 100% how do you train that? How do you how do you actually help to sort of I'd say the best don't have that question in the head. Yeah, I think if you look at anybody, sorry,

if there's any doubt in the head of, I need to stop, probably not gonna be up there anyway. Like if you're looking like anybody who's successful in any athletic field, any athletic field, so like Ronaldo's a footballer, you know, famous American footballers or anything like that, like none of them have a doubt about their ability and that they're supposed to be there.

They all believe that they're supposed to be there. Look, can't we go for example? Like six years ago, he was living on benefits. Now, he made 100 years fourth and fourths this last year. Like, he's just, he's got that ability and he's got that mindset that allows him to do that and nobody's told him that. He's just, he's had it. We all know that when you get deeper in, we'll work out, especially

specifically with CrossFit, I think is one of the reasons I said it on the first podcast that we did. One of the reasons I think CrossFit is an engaging spectate at sport, the same reason that the Tour de France is, you can observe the suffering. Yeah, yeah. And you can see people as they go in and out of themselves battling with their own will. Yeah, to the clarity itself as well. We all know that, as you say, a lot of these guys have got this unwavering self belief, but put yourself half an hour deep into a really,

really horrible workout. Yeah. And kind of that mindset gets tested. It's a different environment. It does. It's just for me, I think it's one of the things that you can develop it for sure, but I think you develop it through through training. So you develop it through like supplemently suffering. Like when you turn up, it's like that, that age or thing like train harder than the competitions ever going to be. So when you get there, it doesn't feel that bad. Like if you've got to do seven events over three days, train 20,

it's not a need like, and that's your coach's job. Yeah, exactly. That's what kind of we step in. You should have, your athlete should be prepared for help. So it's the mind, it's the mindset of a byproduct of the physical training, then two degree. Personally, I think it is. I think there's more going into it. So you've got that side, then you've got what you've grown up with. So you're born with this innate sense of hard work. And that's developed on with the child, with the parents, how they've distilled that into you. I see you're going to be those guys telling you to do

Charles round the house. Or maybe like, if your dad wasn't there, you have to deal with things and step up a level I think and look after those around you. I mean you like just builds upon it like everybody's Everybody who's at the top has suffered setbacks along the way in terms of the childhood. Yeah, or The being through things like rich thrown in had to do loads when he was a kid Lodes and loads of Charles around the house and they've just hard work distilled in it. Rich for on Inscenial looks like a proper task task. Yeah, it does like. So there's a tree, there's a lake, something needs

to cut in, something needs to chop in. And when you apply all that into an athlete and throw them in the gym, then the seat's success with it and the sat growing growing. Yeah, I have the foundations. Yeah, the foundations to build, then you apply the training to it. Yeah, but obviously when you work out, there's nothing that would stop you from inheriting an athlete who hasn't had a ideal foundation. And when they get deep into a workout, that they get a lot of negative self talk that comes through. So I think we manage it in different ways. So I think like, I think with these two, it's hard because these two like, I think we manage it in different ways. So I think like, I think with these two, it's hard

because these two like, two robust bastards who will push themselves hard and workouts. So Tim can relate to his own personal thing, Tim will bat himself. To make it like... How many times have you had? Zero. I've just slipped a desk.

You slipped to a couple of times. More of the discs up? Yeah, in the body. Yeah, for all the body. And then you did your knee on knees. Knee, a Toma, a tele-tenon. Yeah, so that's where it's from. Tim's problem is definitely. Yeah Neonies Neat Tom Herb Teller Turnon Tim's problem is definitely Tim's final was developed for Tim Brooks

But I can go for a spinal now and that's completely fine I'm so robust with my spine it's fine Wait it's one disc isn't it? But with Tim It's just Tim's problem isn't stopping. Tim's probably the fact he won't stop. And Jordan, the same, he's pretty well,

he's pretty normal, I think. Diggin' point in the bin. So I think we've got multiple levels, I think like on a gym level, and like on a regular culture, it's just the culture that the coach has had still, because in the gym, the majority of the time, where I was there, what we are, I was there.

So they're always gonna get more of it, so self-talk probably gets overridden by our chat and presence. Our motivation, our presence. For there's not exactly so, there's that fear factor that we're always there. We're watching, it's eyes on. Get rid of that doubt as well.

You'll always see people in class where I like, I just can't do it. I'm like, well, you can, because you've done 30 other reps. So you've only got 20 left. You've only done more than what you've got left. So you may as well finish it off. It's so funny. And anyone who's listening will know exactly the same pain that I feel when one of the coaches walks by and you hang it out with your ass and you've got 20 thrusters left in the workout at 50 kilos and it's really, really heavy. And so on, we'll say how many of you got how many of you've done or how many of you got, how many of you don't know, how many of you got left?

And you say the number, and you know that all they're gonna say is what pick the fucking bar, right? And you're like, yeah, mate, I know. Well, I know, like, you're not picking. Well, you're not picking. If I fancy picking the bar, I would have already fucking picked it up. But what was being there, you picked the bar.

I pick it up more readily. We might piss you off enough, you're like, fuck it, fuck it. I picked the bar, right? I tell you, do I always feel picked on me. Call him out, Ben Kennedy. He's a voracious Williamson picker on her own. How would you look?

I don't think that's the case. So Ben doesn't have the baby oil. And would that be terrible when he's in a wetsuit? No. He's just a swim. He gets wet suit rash. But then again, wouldn't he be really streamlined without the wet seat? No, no need for a wet seat.

Yeah, it would be. So in the gym, you're basically forced into it. We're bullied. So okay, so now- But also you're turning up for that though. You know what I'm expecting? So we're there. You'd there be more of it, be pushed there for, through experience.

You're going to realize that you can, because we've told you you can. And therefore eventually you'll believe in yourself. And you're the other age of you. And therefore that comes realize that you can because we've told you you can and therefore eventually you'll believe in yourself. I know it does it. You do. Therefore that comes on to you can. Kind of like the same way as someone who's got a substance dependency, weans themself off it. They win themself on the buttress that is your motivation and you being over them and

you allow them to spend more time. Because I've always thought like, you know, you are right. This, if I'm ever doing a program that's written for myself and I'm doing it with a partner, you're always gonna be almost always work hard. It's very difficult. I'm going to put yourself in that same hole when it's just you.

Now, I'm going to go for it. As well, like, obviously, it doesn't really apply to most top-level athletes because the majority's been trained on their own, but to general gym population, it is that shared suffering, like everybody's gone through the same thing, everybody's doing the same thing.

So you think, well, you know, you're 65 over there, he's doing it. So I'm sure I can do it. You know what I mean? I'm gonna fucking take that seat. Yeah, I'm still having five years to go down. I mean, I'm taking them down. Like, so I think that in itself is quite motivating

and quite powerful to get people to... I mean, that's from that training level. On that training level, then most of that, that kind of like self talk is taken away. More of it by the coaches, more of it by the people around you, more of it by the environment. Therefore, in that level, that's fine. The issue has become is when all of a sudden,

you have to become autonomous, and then you're not there in there, yeah. And that's when the demons creep in. That's when the fear, that's when you just looked at some other prick doing like a bigger snatch than you on Instagram, and they're about to be at the same competition as you, which doesn't have any snatches in,

but that doesn't matter because they got 3000 light. Yeah, exactly. It comes out on the first impulse of a snatch. I remember a story that Meg once told me about a workout she'd done. I think it was something to do with snatches and you were in there and she was really, really unhappy during this workout. Yeah. And constantly going and she said she wanted to give up.

You said you're not fucking giving up. Apparently kept Cap don't do snatches closer and closer to a wall. And then once you've completed it with like pretty much with tears streaming down her face, you threw the keys at her and said, go lock up. I don't think I threw the keys at her. I think she's modified that slightly. Do you know this story that I'm talking about? She was facing the wall crying quite heavily, yeah. Right. Do you think that something like that or I've got certain athletes? Do you think that kind of breaking down those barriers and pushing them through

it? Because I know that she found that a very, I'll be the site at the time, probably not very happy. Afterwards, I know that she found that a very rewarding experience. Yeah, but I think found it very valuable. I didn't start fostering to that though. That wasn't me. Like she's a type of athlete who understand exactly what she was about. She was preparing for regionals. We were doing it on our own. She was our first individual client. We looked at the programming and wrote for something that we felt was definitely going to challenge her and test it. But we knew that we knew that the way it's in the Lord we're going to be more testing than what she'd done in

the gym. Crying for time. So we give her a workout to do and she was just having an argument with herself, facing a wall saying, worry is only giving me this to prove to me that I can't do it. And then she started screaming it herself that she was gonna prove me wrong. And then she started, there's no no, sir.

I thought we'd be well, I was there. But she was, yeah, yes, she was just, no she was having it with herself. And then she broke into, it was a big deal wall. But she got to the end of it and realized that she could do the thing that she thought she could do. And yeah, for her, I think that was like a, a pretty good moment, like I'm taking it a while. But she got to the end of it and realized that she could do the thing that she thought she couldn't do. And yeah, for her, I think that was like a pretty good moment.

Like I'm like, my brain was moving for her because she realized she was capable and that wasn't trying to trip it. I've been awful lot more than she thought. Yeah, I think that was a really good moment for her. Do you have, like obviously that's quite a obvious example of something that was really, really apparent. But do you have other moments, sort of breaks your moments with athletes that you work with where you can kind

of see that they see the other side of their capabilities a little bit, or does it always, is it just a parent like a... A veteran, sorry, where they just go from being good to better to even better to... I think one of the clients, she had a really bad year at Regionals and just before I started working with her. She sort of de-de-cued on one of the workouts and wasn't able to proceed to a layer on the competition and that sat heavily with her. And I think after a few conversations with her and some strong training sessions and some belief in

at the time there was a phrase that I now fucking hear was just staying on your lane. And that at the time resonated with her. And for her it was actually this switch of like, I can manage my own shift. If a judge knows reps me, I can stop and manage that situation in a much better way. If I just leave them just looking at the judge and say, time you want me doing wrong, because you know, that many no reps on a wall bowl is that she just kept frying herself out and getting more emotional about the situation at a time. And then for her, it was quite a simple mindset shift. It was, hang on, I can stop for five seconds

and get no more no reps. If I just engage in my judge and say, you know, what the fuck do you with Pistols? Do you want me to do that, Pistols? I've got multiple times with different things, but yeah. It's like one of those things, like the way I always think about it is you worked so hard to get there and you work so hard to get there like why let an aura get in the way of it you get an aura just crack on just do another it's all about athos

though yeah like you know like the judge who's no rep is for something that was a rep like to be fair she's just give me the reps on the leg where they shouldn't have been reps so I can't really come play but you a go. But you know, it's given take. But you know, like I could of, like other athletes did that again, stood there and shout with an a face. But then like, what good does that do? Because she's not given us the reps. So all I did was just turned, finished the workout and then that was it.

Like, didn't go back and complain, didn't put a complaint in. There's no point. They're not going to give you any reps back. So, what can they do? Yeah, it's just does not went into all night like I came I think I came seventh and that event I could probably came third. Yeah did my first 26 Shot a shit fit and came last so yeah, like it's not like I was going to games Yeah, if you've got emotional and started like if you were Yes, I'm like I just look like a dickhead as well? Everyone in the stands were like an off-prore about it.

And he wasn't, he was the only one. The car was the car's person. That was the person who got no rap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally he was like, ah, it's one of those. It's one of those things. There's like, everyone's something you realize, like, it is one of those.

It's like, there's just me one to one. And it's not, that's part of the reason why you're a good role model for the gym. For the good athletes. Yeah, try and fall. Yeah. I don't know if it's me who want to honest. That's part of the reason why you're a good role model for the gym, right? For the good athletes. Yeah, try and fall. Yeah. So what are your thoughts on, is regionalists completely finished, all right?

Don't know yet. So what are your thoughts on the workouts that got issued this year? The reason I think. I think it's real tough though, because there's just no consistency with the program. So it's like, it's just, I understand that the spot is unknown in the novel, but I think there should be a bit of consistency with the tests, the open, you kind of know what you're gonna get.

Regionals, it should kind of be the same. There should kind of be a formula after follow, I don't understand how everything can go from being with the dumbbell last year. So this year there's no dumbbells in there. Well, it was, yeah, it was two dumbbells this time, not one. So you've got a lot of dumbbells. We're not going to go boxed.

It's like just have a bit of consistency about what it's going to be. I think he's trying to think of how we can trip people up more so than show off people's fitness. People did well this year. Obviously the bets are always going to do well, they're going to qualify. But those on the outside, some did really well, if they're sidebar, like if they're going to bench press. Those who can't bench press, probably didn't do that well. You know, like that, like I mean, like, it can't be about you. What was it, can you explain the workout for people who don't know what it

was? So one thing for me that one thing I was going to mention about my mindset as well is that the biggest thing that I think people suffer with is the fear of failure. Once you get over the fact that you might fail, then who cares? If you've got regionals and you fail, you still thought it fails. A lot of regions. You know what I mean? There's only 39 people who can hold that over here. So we did a podcast on confidence with Johnny Newsif recently and one of the key things that we took away from that in order to maximize confidence was to relinquish your desire to feel like you have any level of any allowance to not be stupid. Like if you wake up on a morning and you presume that you're going to make loads

of mistakes all the time because that is a byproduct of being human because we're not robots and we do make mistakes. Like, letting go of your desire to have, like, too much dignity, I suppose, two degree. Yeah, yeah. It's actually create a rod for your own back. Oh, I should be doing this. I should be doing that. You're like, just do what you can. Prep as well as you can. And then the outcome is the outcome. We have a great thing. Well, merely Wednesdays, we've done this for quite a while, both within the J-MAN Warry program. We often program unrealistic e-moms. You might realize this in the jails.

So you did recently the one with the, it was it two triplets, the assault bike, the double-enders with a handstand push-ups. It was impossible. I was the impossible. Did anyone see people competing? On every field around. Really?

Yeah. It's not impossible by the stinking. It's going to be really tough. It's going to knock you. Yeah, what's the reason for that? Just the test. Metal talk-knots. Like, what can you do? where do you need to scale?

Someone might be amazing, they might be going to regionals, but that might be a bit of a complete disorder. So they're getting put in the bin by this worker. Yeah, it's like, how are you going to overcome that? What can you do next time? Yeah, it's like that's all thing about like fail. I'm like, people get super worried about like, and whatever, train and business, whatever.

Just have a pop, you know what I mean? Like, the people who are going gonna have a go at you for fail or the same people that didn't give it a go. Which people are gonna get better. The people who drop it back a couple of reps look complete at other people who just don't end up doing the workout, or you know what I mean, or like the people, it's a 40 minute workout of moving

and suffering, like fucking endure. Like and you'll be fine. Like you will have done 40 minutes of hard, hard exercise and improved one way or another. And if the whole fear is, I'm not going to be able to get through this work, then you know, you're not learning the right lessons. Yeah. I think. And the internal dialogue when you're going through that, I mean, I don't know what it's like for you guys who've got a lot more experience, but I'd say that I'm now probably a moderately representative local level cross-finner. Yeah. I'm going to put that in the Instagram by moderately representative. You're going to change. You should be honest, you're one of the only

can also do pack up. Pack up? Yeah. I did see you in pack up. You were screaming earlier on. Pack up. Extreme. Extreme, pack up. Yeah, but it's one of them. And where people get so worried about feelings.

Fear of fear. I think expectations. You've got to manage your attention. That shit will fuck you over. Yeah, if you go there thinking that just where you should be or what you should be and not focusing on what's in front of you Yeah, how do you how do you do that? Let's say it's a good example for regionals You get to test the workouts in advance. You know what your time should be

The environment is so different The only test is when you're on the floor and what you're getting and the only test is how you overcome with that like The amount of times you get people who did shit and training but then bossed it at regionals or vice versa. But if you let the outcome, that's you all over right now. Yeah, it is.

If you let the outcome of one workout affect how the rest of the weekend goes, the chances are like, you know, there's got to happen. Yeah, I should have done well in this workout. Great fucking story, right in your little journal there, and fucking, I don't know, pray about it. Do whatever you need to do, but you can't let that single moment get to you.

So I think that expectation thing is, I think, expectation will really crush people. It's also really funny when people do all the regional workouts of like six, seven days. Well, we did do that. They make a post and say, I would have came anything. I would have came any set now, bro. Didn't you original. No.

I mean, this was. What did you do? I didn't know that one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I had to scale the bench. How did you find Madrid? Well, I did it in World Cup.

Yeah, yeah. Strange like, that's not my region as well. I did you have to run to the separate market now? So all those things as well, like, like, moving the chess piece and getting marbles and all stuff that you don't have in trade? Have to run this year. Have to run in between.

Yeah, about Linda, sorry, anyway. OK, totally, just said we did some. So what we'll put this in. Yeah, I'm just going to put it in. I'm going to put it in. And so, regional work out of this year, any highlight you mentioned, Linda, Linda is. So it was 10 to 1, a deadlift, I can't remember the weight. Heavy, heavy-ish, like 150.

130. Oh, it's a 5. 135-ish. Yeah, so 10 reps of that. 10 reps of that. Oh, look at that. So, what a match. So bench was at like 80, 84 kilos. Go on Timmy that. And then the squat clean was at 60. So you've got like 10, 65. I think 65. It's all these. So you do use it, isn't it?

Oh, it's a magic. I love the magic. But they use the shorter bars as well. So it's like an awkward weight as well. The bar's not 45 pounds, it's 40. So it's been off. Yeah. Yeah, so it was 10, 10, 10, 9, 9, 9 10 10 10 9 9 8 8 all the way down to 111 and it just

crushed people 17 minute tank of the cross people like some of the poor girls Bloody hell, no having a bad time with that. I was gonna say from the from the fact that like just crushing the first set of deadlifts like an absolute hero and then just Huh, not much you know, since you that is, that's too much booty blaster. Too much booty blaster, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, a... Vanity station. Yeah, not a vanity station, like there's no cosmetics on there. No, but how do you prop up your phone? I use this like a video. I've already done it.

I can use it. If I need a tripod, I ask I'll have to make a few costs. Yeah, yeah. I use it to reach the rig. Yeah, to get the rigged, yeah. And you have all the rigged. When you do close, it's like... What's the line?

We get that bench quite a lot. Yeah, I use the coil. The very versatile, yeah. We're pretty shit for. I figured that was a lie on in press weight. That was definitely your next bet. Was that the most unexpected to work on? 100% yeah, I would say so.

Triple three, I think triple three as well. Yeah, we're just triple three. I think, so triple three's 3K roll, 300 double wonders. Three mile run on what he did on the skill mill. On the assault run, I'm sorry, it was just like savage. It's about time that happened though, isn't it? It's a super long time. It's just like putting it in the air that I didn't go though, just if. Well, the other guy you didn't go as well when you push your knee, they put along running then. Yeah, one camera, 30 hands down, push

ups, one just came running, something. It's a try did you try and do that work out? No, I haven't done it. I haven't done it. I don't want to be that guy Oh, okay, no, but did you put during the I've done the work before right? So how was it? I've done it but not on a not on a Yeah, I think it's different. Yeah, I've run it. I've done it running and it's actually fine The worst thing was really on that it calms after the double under. That's it. That's what work. It's just cardio.

It's not hard. Just cardio. It's just cardio, yeah. I mean, there was a lot of people, if anyone wants to look at some good videos, if you check out the CrossFit Games Instagram and scroll back a little bit, there is a wealth of people. Throw you down themselves. For those of you who don't know what a skill mill

or a true form runner is, it's like a self-powered treadmill that moves as you strike your foot. So you go for a treadmill? Yeah, your foot moves the actual platform that you're on rather than it moving and you haven't a keep up with it. So you determine your own speed. But what must have happened?

Because people are throwing up down themselves as they're on this stage. They would have been flicking around. Pwad, you're just whining. Pwad, judges. You know that when you go through mud on your bike, when you're a kid, and all of the back, so you need like a vomit guard on the front of the skill mill. It is to protect everyone from getting flicked.

Do you know quite a few of the treadmills turned off, so the way they have to judge it, there was a meter marked out on the white lines. If you saw it originally, there was white lines on the treadmill. Yeah, and they had to count how many times the white line passed. The judge did. 5,000, 5,000 or 4,800 of those. It's fucking shit.

I can't speak with judges, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It's hard. It's a hard, 300 double under the house. It's a hard time. It's hard. It's been the pressy that is already, that's pretty cool. Right, it's just a double under the. I know. Just one of those things is

you're just camping them and then all of a sudden I'm like, fuck knows. Really fucking boring. I was here. I don't know your fix or something. So I got to watch, I got to watch, um, Sam Briggs, Sarah sequence daughter and I'm a quaid do 18.3. Yeah. And, um, one of the cultured, uh, CrossFit Club, the, had to judge San Briggs, remembering that he was going to go and do 18.3 afterwards and be judged by them. Before he went over, I was like, mate, are you more nervous to judge her doing her

effort off her, judge you? And it's like, hand was like, yeah, it was like, yeah, and you can see him there. It's probably like two weeks, isn't it? 400 double under is twice, right? So like 800 chances to get it wrong. Yeah, it was like a hundred double-edged then someone else then a hundred double-edged. Yeah, it was two hundred or two rounds. Yeah, it's a good opportunity. It's the maximum. Yeah, exactly in between everything else And you could see from the side and he's going I don't think so Yeah Like the most focused that you've ever seen someone in their life, like it definitely

definitely had more single mindedness when judging them when before. They're actually so much relief. Even judging him is pretty tough. Yeah, I'm bad on the table on those likes. No, no, even that's just, you feel a bit like, you know the sabbatics, you know, they're recording. You know, the sabbatics, you know, the recording, you know, the probably going to get to send one of them to go and send them. I remember I judged John once in a work out, I was one that actually got monitored, I actually got viewed by regional, so I was just going to be, yeah.

And literally I just finished, like judging him and just finished out like, fuck, fuck for that, the video on stuff. And literally someone kept me out and it was like, I wouldn't give him those reps. And I was like, I don't know. I reps. And I was like, I know, just bro. I was like, and then I had to literally go to the job and then go to watch the video on our bro. I think you might need to do together. But we watched the video back and we just like, we just like,

cause you can slow it down, we just like, if you'd not, if that had been sent off and CrossFit had HQ had indicated that you had given him reps, It shouldn't have been reps. With that, with that, with that, for the audition. No, it doesn't really, it doesn't really,

it's not really that much of an issue. It's not really that much of an issue. It's not really that much of an issue. If you do get a video that is allowed, because I think, I think you get the choice to do it again. Right. So I think the city, look, you can do it again, and you can repeat the score,

you can video it, and we'll accept your score. We'll not give you any more, but we'll not take anything away. Or we'll give you a penalty. So if it's less than like three of, I think if it's less than five reps, don't give you a penalty. If it's more than five, they subtract 15% off your score. So there is a spectrum here. I thought it was, I thought it was like you. Because I mean you get, you get some of your bridges in there. Yeah, like you're like, you're like, you're just bridges. Yeah, but like what was weird about that is HQ had approved proved it approved the video

and accepted it and then when there was backlash from it then the. You see the broke well as one with the handstand press ups this year. No, I didn't say I heard about it but I didn't I didn't. She took it down straight away. Did she. So she filmed it on a potato about three and a half yards distance. Oh nice. From a funny angle as well. Yeah. Well it's from like from the floor. Did she got rid of this yet? Yeah. Did she got the games? I should. I'll let you know. I just handstand push and send it. And they said it went on the Reddit so Reddit's like just a melting pot for people who want to be a stirring stuff for every thing. So they um this video particular video went up people side scrupping it and CrossFit have got a Reddit account and they relied on there and they said

something to the effect of the video isn't the video isn't required to be proof of the athlete's score it is to be an example of their work capacity to be able to complete it so it's like that her actual score didn't matter it's that she demonstrated that she could have got the score. Oh I agree. Let's turn it around. Let's just, if that was me coming out of nowhere with her score, complete the work out. The issue was the feet on the wall for the handstand. That's why I kept where people were. So that's that me going like on a 20 minute work, I'm running a 16 minute 5k so I'm clearly doing the work. It's hard, it's hard, it's hard,

it's hard, it's hard because like you only have to put a video submission in if they ask for the video and be whether you're doing it without a judge and you're in the middle of nowhere and you have to send your videos in to be approved. Yeah. Therefore any of the videos that get posted, really, you're irrelevant, but obviously they highlight if you're a bit of a cheat and shit or you're not very good with your reps. Like it highlights what you're doing because that one guy, I think we mentioned last time on the podcast, that one guy, that golden bloke who wasn't locking good with your reps. Like it highlights what you're doing because that one guy, I think we mentioned it, last time the podcast, that one guy,

that Golden Block who wasn't locking out, wasn't locking out his push press. And like, bless him, his juj was juj, his juj was jujing him. He was doing the reps, he was just doing what his juj said. He was like, yeah, I got this amazing score. Then out of nowhere, one of his members who was in the background, like, you know,

filming it, he's out of nowhere, posted it online, look how good my coach is,ing this. And initially everyone types cross fit in, it just forced everyone's, like, slid him off. It's, it's, it's full gym, got this qualified. Full gym, oh my god. So that member, that's all about the background. I mean, at the very least that member's got to, they need to take a week off. It's an increase in fees, like, yeah, definitely. Definitely, you've got, you've've got the very least of the right. The member was just, the member was just,

you've got to be full of like, from the new race. It's like, you're on the new race. But the member was just buzzing. A coach was a boss. Do you know what I mean? And he was happy because the judge had told him he got the rest. There needs to be a Langeron in the sand somewhere, right?

Yeah. Apparently not any of the brookwals. No. Yeah. The curve like, yeah, very much. Very much so. So what else else? You know that steady learning thing?

It's got a fuck all to do with me. She's not in our region, she's nowhere else. I don't even know what Reddit is. Like, yeah, they should fuck you. You do well on Reddit. Yeah, they should sort it out. Reddit is made for you. They should sort it out.

It's like forums made by Super-E. They should sort it out, by all means, but like, I don't really give a fuck about all these whining crossfiters Winged in who can't even do a handstand push up themselves, complaining about Brookwell's potato. Like, it's a pretty fit though. You know what I mean? She's proven that she can... I did see the video. I've heard of it there. She's probably really good at crossfit. Maybe she should be there. I'll link whatever I can. I'll link the thread in the show notes. So if you want to check a little bit more out about this

I'm ready, then you'll be able to. So what else, Regions, was there anything else that you thought that was either good or not good? I, um, I thought the rest of the weekend was good. Like the events were really, really good, really, really challenging. Visually quite cool, right? Is it making the wall forward with the bars? Yeah, yeah, I like that.

I think, uh, the venue was pretty decent. The venue was, we were talking food was terrible. We were not talking the grape in town. No, we were talking Berlin. So, this was the first time you've been to the Berlin. Yeah. I've been a Berlin, but. Some other land for Tim.

Well, yeah, you just around the border. Yeah, you're all going to be. Yeah, it's a very nice. 1940, 1940, 1945. Straight back. Very important stuff. Berlin was too. The food in the venue was terrible.

High-resolution supply by like... Nobody. It's supplied by the venue. Can you imagine, let's say, let's say that we did it in the NEC or I don't know, something in Birmingham or whatever, and it was held in the UK and you got Calvall Kitchen to go and... The makeup.

But the food would be legit. But in Copenhagen, a couple of years ago, that's what they did, so there was like, piss vans outside. And you went outside and there was like a huge picnic area and the nail that in Copenhagen, I don't know why they moved it. It was so good. It was a little bit out of the wave, but like, it was nice. You were getting away. The people from Copenhagen, it's the max still part of our region, because they're in the shuffle around. So they're like, northern Europe now, but that still falls in our regional. So I don't know why they've moved it Europe now, but that still falls in our regional.

So I don't know why they've moved it from there, but it was good. It was good, it was good fun. Last but not least, the spectator pass was a bit of a thing, it was a bit of a hard, they just saw that really quickly and then people weren't quite prepared and team people didn't know whether they were going to get a free spectator pass. It's just you can like it's a whole memory going like an enemy. I actually thought it was really good. I didn't really have time to eat anywhere, but I tried to go to that food spring thing that everyone knows but it was about fucking eight euros for a water and a dry, fucking strawberry.

Honestly, you didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know it was a ghost in your hand. It goes my sponsorship fucking day almost. Eight euros fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking. Eight euros. But I don't even know what the bottle of water is. Eight euros. Fucking bottom. Two euros. Bottom. Bottom. I don't even know what's bottom.

I just put it in. I bought you that. That was fucking cany. I love it. Oh yeah. Two waters. Eat quite. Unbelievable.

I bought you the affiliate lounge. I got in the affiliate lounge and I was like, oh that's all the coffee's frigging that. So I was just frigging out for you. When he was four euros for the, what a bit of a vacation. It's been four. I think it's got a free coffee. I think a free coffee.

Oh, god damn. Oh, but it was good. It was good. It was, yeah, it was just long. It was a long weekend. And very, very different, I think, for all of it. How much? Paul, how much sleep do you get at regional?

Actually, no, I want to ask, I'm going to ask this. Do you know what? How much sleep do you get at regional? Actually, no, I want to ask, I'm going to ask this. Do you know what? How much sleep do you get first off? In general. When, yeah. In London. How much sleep do you get when it's the third day that the kids can work out gets enough?

I have to be really honest that like this year, I maybe didn't handle it the best. But this year, I think like last year we had like three athletes. And this year, I think we had 18. Did it feel like spending more than a nutrition? Well got more than a nutrition. Yeah, with a 40. Yeah, with a 40 athletes. So I'm turned to them in one two. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's people who actually made it to regionals. And I think Tim's got a few games athletes

now. And so I think, so I think, thanks, too. So I think that's the people who qualified, not just all of the other between our way of the many client, like the extra 400, 500 people we've got doing it. So I think this year, I think, yeah, I don't think I slept. I don't think I slept for five weeks.

What about when the open goes out on that Thursday night? Can you tell me what, because I know that I was setting a seven hour with you before, and you've said to the athletes who are trying to perform at a higher level for a year. Cool. Yeah, go to bed, do not stay up and watch it. That's my job. Yeah. And I've heard you said that sentence. Is that how you do things when the open? That's how I did it. That's how I did it again, last year, I did it. So I still haven't watched it.

And then I was in first in the gym. Six a.m. To set, just putting tape down and set the lens up. Yeah, you've been in the gym. Yeah, so we went there and set that up. So around. And then you're on the phone to athletes all day. And then, you know, if the workout doesn't go to plan

or other people do, you know, for every two athletes of a great workout, you're going to have a whole fucking bunch of them and all of a shit show. Do you know what I mean? And it's managing that expectation for out five weeks. And I think, I think I could definitely have handled that like in terms of the quantity there. But again, like, it's kind of the best five weeks ever at the same time. Yeah, so you can't really, it's kind of the best five weeks ever at the same time. Yeah, so it's not really like it's just intense. Yeah, it's the best fit, isn't it? Yeah, it's just the best five weeks.

It's just like, what's going on? It's like a five week. Yeah, mine. Well, it's the parallel that I can draw with my industry is when it's Halloween. Yeah, it's Halloween. I'll do 10 nights, 14 events, yeah, exactly. And I'll get up on November 1st and be like, really? How? Like, where's the last two weeks of my life gone? Like, I can't really, I'm barely

awake during daylight and this is that new. And you're like, you're right, I'm aware that it's not the same as pushing yourself through a marathon, but in a two degree kind of ease. And when it's... At least a marathon, it's fucking over in three or four hours. Yeah, this is starting to... I mean, even if you walk it, you're finished in six. Yeah. I find a great balance this year. It's like an athlete coach and nutritionist. So I didn't watch it whatsoever in the lead up. Looked at my phone, woke up in the morning, saw the workout call, didn't look at my phone till I finished the workout. So I had to

do the workout by 10 a.m. Okay. This is how everybody looks like you'd say so. Yeah, so all my messages building up and building up and building up, literally saying, what do I eat? There's thrusters, what do I eat? What do I eat with thrusters?

What is the thrusters? Because apples is for thrusters, right? Yeah. But I want to ask for everything else. Yeah, but I want to ask for everything else. Because Apple's is for thrusters, right? Yeah. And then... But I want to answer everything else. But I want to answer everything else. Except for... Hands up, push it to the head.

We're talking about sorry. Yeah, that's a pairs. Because the pairs go the other way around. Yeah, I like that. But I'm doing it. Yeah, so I just let all the emails mount up till I finish the work at about 10. And I'll just set my phone for a couple of hours. Yeah.

Did all my work, all my emails, got my phone,, so I could enjoy the rest of the day. So I didn't have anything social media-wise until I've finished the work out. That sounds like you've done that really work for. I was going to say it sounds like you've gone a bit too far. People are in a nice structure there. People really want to stay. You can replicate that next year. Yeah?

AIM-2? Yeah. I'm just going to do what AIM-2 is doing. It's going to be much better. You know what you need to do. You need Tim to program your programming. I just went e-monger, I went to a program. I went to 24 hour e-monger of alternating between coffee and knock-os. That was pretty much it.

It was really fun. It was just really intense. It was cool. But it was very different as well because it was like new region. New form, less people going. I was going to say let's talk about the fact that the teams have now moved from six people to four. Because that I think this has been released on me.

Did I first punk that? No, I hadn't. So what does that mean for Jim's overall? I know I think the Wasatch boots or mayhem got three teams? Mayhem have got two, but Victor's got two as well. Victor's both qualified for the games. Yeah, I think it's just like, it's a lot more, it's better than watch for definite.

Because when there was six and you've got like eight lanes of six people on a field, like I see a field, but you know what I mean, in the field of play, it's like, what's going on? BKR2. It looks like you've took a lot of kids to like, yeah. Chucky G's on everyone just filled them for. It's a cool.

There was a workout issue, which was like, two people were doing chess about pull ups. Two people were running. If that had been the sixth, it would have been someone else doing something else somewhere else and it just ends up being like this big thing. I think it was still. I think it was a better fall.

I think it was a lot of weight-setter. I think you ended up with a better quality of competition as well because that most gyms have two good people. Two good males, two good females. That third one, this is going to come across bad and I don't mean it to, but they're kind of like the weakest link, basically. They are the very nature. They are.

You know, they're the weakest link, so by having the two and the two, you have a much stronger team. So then the events were a lot more. They're not better to watch. Yeah. And I mean, you saw it this year with like the amount of, like the amount of minimum work requirements that were hit. That weren't hit. Sorry. There wasn't many that got stuck out. Yeah. But even then, there was only two in our region, three in our region. And what in the meridian? It's 10% in our region though, which is nothing in comparison to other years where there was people getting stopped at the first day. So to the for one of the better term, there's more people getting to

regionals that are of regionals standard. Yeah, I would say so. And I think because even with the teams, if the teams do well, but within that, the work requirement is not met by particular elements or one purpose, which also can affect a couple or a batch, I should I say. Yeah, that's an identifier of the fact that, yeah, there's some people that are kind of being pulled, that maybe hanging out at the Coltales athlete to a standard that they're not quite out yet. Definitely. Which is not really like it's nice.

Oh, I went to regionals. It's like, well, yeah, he's still and got the team capped. Yeah. Yeah, like you look to a bar for a bit. Like, you know, I've got a lot of fun work. It's a tough one because it's like, you know, but the sport is, it's a competitive sport with sponsorships and money involved.

And all these things like, it's no longer 2010, like, you know, rockin' up the parabort shorts and crackin' on. It's a legit sport now. So, you know, it's no longer 2010, like, you know, rockin' up the parabot shorts and crackin' on, it's a legit sport now. So, you know, it's not gonna be true, it's not gonna be like a legit sport then you don't have place in the sport. I like that, I think that, we always talk, or we did on the last podcast talk

and awful lot about the inclusivity, a local level of trust, that allows people from sedentary to actually quite fit rugby player endurance athlete, whatever it is, to go in and find training methodology which is challenging and rewarding. But regionals is definitely not the place for inclusivity anymore. No, definitely. And we don't, you know, as we've seen this.

Even in some respects, the open as well, sorry, I interrupted there, but the as well, you know like the scalar options now are not really scale options like the scale options Well, pups, Kippin Pops, I get them to the gym is a big deal Yeah, like we're people about the first Kippin Pops were still high five and then run around and chill everybody I'm still a huge moment. Where is my brother for like eyes and stuff like that now? It's like I know Kippin Pops. No point in paying the $10 in registration for the old We're gonna get cut halfway for the next year. Yeah, so it's like it no punting pain is that much, it's an addition for the organ. You're going to get cut out with a little bit of an advantage. So it's like it's just bringing the standards of everything. Bringing the standards of everything up, but bringing the standards of coaching up

then because you're like, right next year we must get all of our art. Everybody in this gym must be able to get that chin off right. So really good, like the challenging gyms to get to that point. Well that's an interesting point. So Dave Castro has said in a video, I think it's like 2013, 2014, he says, it wouldn't surprise me if in X number of years time we'll see male athletes who can run a five minute mile

that can deadlift 500 pounds and can snatch like 120 kilos or something like that. That you've got someone who is going to be as good in every speciality as the best within their division now But across every different domain. Yeah, and obviously what that means is and you know There's a repeat workout every year in CrossFit right? Yeah, and they always come This year the last one and the last one. Yeah, they always compare what happened last time with what happened this time and the Statistics are this volume of like the Josh Bridges won the 18.5 when it was 11.6 or something last time and the score that he got that was the quickest in the world remembering that he did it again this year

as the same guy but just with another seven years on him or whatever That score was beaten the best score on the planet was beaten by like 300 people. Yeah. Or something like that. Some crazy figure. But also it's a game of numbers as well because you know like there was back in 2011. Much wider than you. Across the it was there was 2000 people registered 3000 people registered in Europe for the open this year there was 35. That's time to buy 10.

Yeah. So you know like the cast that's much more massive. The girls being massive. So I mean like yeah, of this has been massive. The girl's been massive. So I mean, like, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people in our gym, well, a few people in our gym who did that work out in 2011, including, I think I got like six more reps. I got a bit of rep, yeah. For a rep, yeah, that's it. Well, that's really rep, yeah. I think it's service. Like not good. Not what's good at all. But you were, you had aides. I thought I was going to die. Got a lot of thoughts. I thought I was going to meditate this. I'm going to tie for it.

Yeah, and then false fire when full Tim breaks on the back. Well, yeah, yeah, full Tim breaks. So I mean, like my open experience wasn't very good this year. It wasn't good at all. Performed well and contributed to the team, which was the most important thing. Yeah, but I mean, there's a couple of workouts I think you were talking about 18.3 should should have been your jam right? Well 18.3 I mean I came back 40th in our region but that was my way. It's the first workout I've done after. Yeah and eating a solid meal for like,

I had two and a half weeks off and I couldn't repeat it again because I was I was literally broken like I was coughing along up after it Tim judges I was I was dying. So I think I did five sessions in five weeks and it was just the open workouts. You know people have got ill during the open was really good. Yeah it wasn't good. You need to manage. You know what it was? You need to manage immunity. We didn't have a cold enough winter. Probably probably. It wasn't cold enough. That was the trouble. Didn't kill off any of the other. But did I remember when it was warm when, no. Would you not still wait there at 8? When we, everyone wasn't able to do, um, which was it, was it 18.4?

I heard the snow. Yeah. When there was snow drift. No, that was 18.2. That was the clean one. Yeah. That was the, think about Iceland, because I was off. They fucking crush it.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. But I mean, they're all, they're all, they're all on like, people with the, people on like, to boggling, yeah. Sarah Seekman started to boggling into the gym and four. Yes, there's no crashing down back. I think it wasn't a good time. I think I'd probably even boggled.

Mergity crashed my car, didn't I? Didn't they? Tim just couldn't drive it. He just had a bang in, because he got a bug before I got stuck. How much faster than my headphones? I think they're completely blanked him. Just as fast as we were all trying to push him. I was trying to push his car.

I had my headphones in, totally walked straight past him. We were in classics. You wouldn't have helped anyway. Would you have been... No, GM Scott came and grabbed me and then I went back and told him the world, did it run? No, he didn't, he tried to push. He was like, it's better if you just leave it here.

You were like, thanks. Okay, just now. I was right. And did you leave it? Yeah, good. I got it, I got it, I got it. I got it, I got it, I got it. Yeah, yeah, Gary, so what did he do?

He did. Well Ben Kennedy's got an approach, isn't it? He just takes like five, 20 kilo plates from the gym and books from the boot. I've got a better approach, don't buy the MW. That's a better approach. In high-volume. That's the thing. Tim's a green.

Tim's a green. Hmm. Mate, 100 kilos in the boot you can't. Yeah. Andy Stockle, I love that knee just whipping around then it's... He's definitely helping people. He's definitely helping people. I guess.

He's probably the sirens on the top of the bus, driving all the smaller cars, driving over the top of them. I love it. He's loving it. Brilliant. Getting his dog out and like attaching like, snow dogs behind it, yeah. Like, scampering away.

He'll have been so happy with himself. He would have. Well, that's like his, this is it. That's, this is my calling. This is my time to shine. When I travel that chocolate, where a chocolate on his back, like when Holmer this is my call and this is my time to shine. But I'll have chocolate when he's back home. When home, I'll be comes Mr. Plow. Probably I'll have that.

I'll be out of the car with you laying on the floor. Oh, hey, car, he was going to be home. I thought it was a car with you lay. Re-butt car with you laid from off of Jordan. I've obviously needed one. I've never worn it. I was at the same size. I'm at you two the same size. I don't know. But it's fit to him.

I think he made it fit. It's his jean laid on it to, you know, it made it. It can be tied. You don't have to worry about it. You don't have to zip it, and that's like glory to it. But I mean, it's kind of like a place to go. It's a place to go, isn't it? Yeah, chestless, bodyless, armless.

Armless, everything. Just beast. So as we move forward towards the games, are there any athletes or teams or anything that you are surprised by, or that is there any elements moving forward that you think you're going to be interested in for people to watch like with. So with athletes back to regionals a little bit as well. So I worked with Kenny for a long time when she was there. And she had a completely different mindset to everybody in the room because she'd already qualified for the game with the Masters qualifiers for the 40 to 44 category.

But was then also deciding to do the individual for a bit ridiculous. Just because she can. Just because she can. But in the back room, it was a completely different scenario to everything at scene with everybody else. She's having fun. She's there for training weekend. She just wanted to do the best she could. Demonstrator skills. Yeah, and everyone was kind of in awe of like she's a four year old mom or two and she'd worked hard to be there. It's all

pretty. It's all pretty. It's just like everyone's more than you're producing me as this. Yeah, like brilliant. Yeah, that's right. Everyone loves it. Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, it was amazing because she was just having a lap. We were just having a lap in the back room. Just telling a lot to do. She was warming up. She was happy to be there Yeah, then he looked around the room all these Scandinavian birds with the headphones in like Tune in our life with the motivational coach to the sad thing you can't you can't you can't then been intense Yeah, it was one thing rather intense than the other one thing I noticed so Interesting. Yeah, I think I think I think we're talking earlier. We've kind of just skipped over it

I think the mindset we'll talk earlier. We've kind of just skipped over it. I think the mindset thing is where they get. And I think there was a lot of people there who just like were full of. You've gone for mindset stuff. No, I just think it just depends on the individual, doesn't it? Yeah, you guys are fine, but you guys are you guys. I do think you know.

And I think you've got people there who like need to tune out and need to not worry about all the stuff. And you see it with certain athletes, like we talked about this about certain athletes, I'm not gonna mention that in here, is what their habits changing. Yeah, yeah, but I don't think that's necessarily a mindset thing, I think it's a habit thing.

Yeah, that's, I think that's two different issues. Okay, well then whether you wanna call it habit thing, but there's certain characteristics of certain people, sure that you could predict their failure or predict their outcome or like prior to and things that they need to change. Yeah, that's character. I'd say that's their character, how you can...

Well, we can go through semantics of different terminologies of it, but if someone's doing some habitual shit, which means you can tell that they're overcompensating because they're breaking it. Yeah. And then they get there and then they actually just shit their pants at the start and then fail, like fail, but you know they're worried, then that habitual stuff has to be dealt with.

I mean, all you can turn down to have to, like you guys, like quite fix mindset of, right, you guys shouldn't be there because you, you know, you can't suck it up and you can't deal with it. And I'm saying that you have to deal with the court. But you have to, well, it's the court's the right person to, it's the court's the right person to,

depends on your court, your programmer or what your thing is, if you're better, warm them up. But you know, you can't be, might not necessarily be the same person to give them little tickles and tell them, you know, stop checking out chicks on Instagram. Like, do you know what I mean? If that's the thing that they're doing that's causing the issues or checking out other athletes on social media or

shit talking yourself or having a really bad time after a workout these are habitual things that people are putting in place where they smell failure in the first workout and then they go fail and then you've got that guy the new other guy in that other region who was like in the third heat in the last workout and then you got like the best time when the games, you said the crowd having a beer because he didn't think he was there and he was choked out. He smashed the world in a coma the same last year as well. So you have to reach out to the ass like you know?

I was a guy from the Pacific Regional. He was like in a really bad health last year. You were in a case of the Pacific Region this year. Yeah, absolutely bad ass. Like company time. But he was in a third he on the last day So he's like no any going. Yeah, he wasn't one of the guys Laughing at the talk. That's something totally boss the final workout

There was like awesome great weekend when in the crowd sat down to be it Yeah, no, no, I know like games. But I don't need to call you back out dude, and he's like oh fuck But you know me if you think If you're if you're already on the beers after day's after Dare Wong, because you know what I mean, because running on a treadmill isn't your jam. It's a mission. You know what I mean? And then all you're gonna do is let yourself define.

And it's like, well, I said there should be a level of autonomy, so at that point, you should be prepared to handle your position. Like you shouldn't need somebody to come and give you a little hug. And you're fair to talk. I want to become a soul. Yeah, exactly.

I think a lot of that little can be like, can be taken care of by like people being more prepared. Yeah. So like if you're going to regional, I think there's stuff needs to be dialed in now. Yeah. I think if you're going to go, if you want to go to regional's next year,

how would you go? At any point during the season, you used to go, oh God, did you see that dude snatch? You're like, you need to stop looking at other guys snatches and sort of fucking shit out. Not just that, not even like the social media stuff because that's inevitable. No, but I think that's the stuff that I see

and the dialogue that I get because most people contact us through social media. I think more like training stuff. Like, you know, if you look at that first event, you're saying, oh god, three miles under treadmill. That would be funny, but you're not really that fit. You can't run three miles on one of those skill mills When you're supposed to be one of the top 40 fittest people in Europe, like have a word, like seriously have a word. And you know, people could say

that to me and they can't react to, well, are you going to be on the fittest people there? But it can't snatch 110. But that, yeah, but you know, I wasn't there. But that's down to, if we're going down the mindset route, which you know you guys in and into as much and I'm just like I just hear the term in a Heat of terminology that's re-training isn't it? Yeah, I've got to win you with three miles on the treadmill. Actually everyone's got to win you with three miles on the treadmill And I know that I can set for more than everyone else. Yeah, like I'm the dude that is gonna puke on myself and still finish like if you're going In the way, yeah, exactly in fact,, yeah, actually going into it. That's very different because they're both looking at the same thing differently. Yeah, I mean, I feel like

to be fair, I feel that I'm going quite dismissive of the mindset stuff, which I don't want to come across as being dismissive, but I just think it's a bit early, personally. I think it's very stressful. There is a lot of niche underneath where you can go with like self talk, preparation is a key thing. Yeah. Like you're talking a lot about prepping. I think I talked about that. I think it's a deal with the comp. You need that, whether it's somebody to talk to, whether it's your coach, whether it's just your girlfriend or your own. Stop looking at your perspective. Yeah. I want to touch on a few things that we've come up with there. So one of them is, I'll ask a bunch of questions and I'll let you all go after that.

Firstly, do you think the athletes should leave their phones at home for regionals? Can we go down the queue? Yes, do you think that their performance would, how much do you think their performance would either increase, decrease or not change back if they left their phone at home? Depends on the visual. Right. Okay. But for some individuals, for some individuals, for some individuals, yes, you're talking percent like quantifiable percentages like it could be a, it could be a reps reps and places potentially.

Oh yeah. But I think those people are probably then the people they were watching around them. And by that stage of the competition, Not on this screen. So they're already kind of, they've already set it in. I don't think the problem necessarily is game there. I think the problem is is how we are perceiving it, fucking six months before. I mean, if you can't have the Instagram over a competition weekend, there's probably some minds. Again, you're probably, you're probably, you're probably already kind of like defeated. What about your 10, do you think athlete should maybe consider leaving?

Yes. 100% not home. Just away hotel. Yes, away for the game day. Probably look at the leaderboard. Don't look into it too much. But yet again, what Paul was saying was in the wall of area, handsome walks over the thing. Some girls were crushing it. Some girls won't. You're instant in comparison. Yeah. Like shit, I can't do that.

I mean, you scale that your capacity to compare yourself infinitely when you access the internet. Yeah, yes. Yeah. The amount of things that we, like, sort of say, we went into that workout, the hand, as a team, the handstand walk on, with a lot of waiting on, like,

we met each other, everyone in the team could do the handstand box. It got the game there, actually not everyone could do them on the day just in the event and in the moment. And the reality is, is like we underperformed on how we've done it in the gym several times, but we still got like seventh in that workout. Yeah. And everybody thought we were going to be a little higher though. Yeah.

But for our point of view, all we'd seen on the internet and on Instagram was everyone was finished yet. You know, not 90% of videos on that were people posting videos of them completing it. No, almost posting videos of them face planning off the side. It's quite if you did, but then it was the next one, like, great for a player. So, if you're seeing 100 people, and 100% of them are finishing it,

then you're going to assume that 100% of people can do it, then you're all going to achieve a hundred percent of people can do it. And that wasn't real, was it? This is a microcosm for social media in general, though. You see the best of all, and I was like, I'm seeing the worst of your own. You don't even recognize people from social media a lot at the time.

No, you have to show. For sure. What about you, John? Once you're thought time, I've got to change forms and stuff. I don't know. I mean, personally, I always take my, I sleep my bag, though. Like, I don't, I'm quite like, children with a phone, doesn't really bother us. I think you spend a lot of time on social media, like, yeah, just don't really affect this.

I don't really compare myself to others. What's interesting here is that you've got YouTube guys who I definitely think have got a innate appropriate mindset to a degree. I'm sure it could be better, but I definitely think have got a innate appropriate mindset to a degree like you I'm sure it could be better but I definitely definitely I definitely think it for a lot of people if you said would you like to swap your mindset with regards to working out and suffering and enduring discomfort physically within a sport with joins's and Tim's. I think a lot of people would probably go, yeah, I'm going to put it from that. And I think what you're saying here Paul is also very valuable about the fact that there are some people that Jordan, you have within your fitness arsenal, you have certain elements of which, like your ability to do five minute double-enders and thrusters work out versus your

max squat snatch is weighted in one direction instead of another. But in the same way as someone's physical capability, maybe very heavily weighted away from their mental capacity. But you can have all the mental capacity in the world, but if you can't lift the bar, you can't lift the bar. You know what I mean? But like every time the mountain capacity in the world, but if you can't lift the bar, you can't lift the bar. Yeah. You know what I mean? But like, every time you do a dog in, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's probably about £45 thruster and a double under, like, there's no physical limitation stopping you doing that.

There's a physical limitation with lifting the bar. You can either do it or you can't. Yeah. You can either lift the weight or you can't lift the weight, you know what I mean. I think that's what, when you were talking about reframing air, I think that's a good point that, I mean, I'm sure a degree of 110 kilos is a goal for yourself. To use it as an example is like the open workout in 2017, which was the Squat Snatch workout, but you watched this do so.

You beat four times. You beat four times, like you're in, like, I came like 500 to Europe on that workout. I could look at that and go, shit, came 500. I couldn't go up, he'd be four times. So like, you're one rep max slatch. Yeah, it did four times. Maybe after, doing shit load of other. All of those 80 kilo ones, which was like, you know,

83% of my one rep max at the time. So it's like, you know, I could look at that and be negative about it and go, well, I came 500 and yet that cost me going in regionals because I was like top 50 in the rest of them. Or I could look and go well, I couldn't have done any more. So I didn't fail. If anything, I actually exceeded expectations. You said me at the beginning of the day, I'm going to hit four snaps at 100 kilos.

You'd snagged. I would have high five gym, I wouldn't have to be very early. You know what I mean? Like, so I think this is the mindset that we've got in our gym now. I think we're lucky because we get that culture in our gym now. I think we're lucky because we get that culture within our gym environment. Trip down. We've got a competitive culture for sure. Yeah, and I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

I think we've got a pretty good, I think we've managed to, like, instill pretty good mindset with, I've got your model. So I think, I think we're quite, I think in a gym, we're lucky. I think I've got, the, I don't worry about the mindset that people we work with, I think they're all bad access. Like, we've worked our day in the gym, like, they're all amazing. Mm-hmm. But I think, there is't worry about the mindset that people we work with, I think they're all badasses. Like, people we work directly in the gym, like, they're all missing. But I think there is some who segregate themselves and you can see, don't have it often though, and say we're doing some programming from wherever, they just segregate from all

the classes, go in the corner, and they've got Amrath 60 Burpees. They'll give up in like two minutes. from all the classes, go in the corner and they've got Amrath 60 Burpees. They'll give up in like two minutes. You can see them, you can see them even in like a stat workout or hitting the one RM, they'll drop back subconsciously. So they just let the fight, they get a little bit right. Yeah, because no one there,

they're not really accountable to anybody. I think that extra. I think that's another one as well. There's probably not that boarding. Like, it's belief, isn't it? Yeah, like belief is. But you know, we've all had programming from different coaches, you know, not not the guys that are sitting here, but these guys program for me now, but you know, I've had programming

from other people in the past where I've looked at it and it's been really tough, but I've been so bought into it that I've just gone, well, that's what's required. It's a challenge. Got to do it. Yeah, I've challenged it. My all coach, Jowzee had me doing like four kellies, so I would do five rounds of kelly,

rest five minutes or four times, it's like two hours, and it was like complete madness, and it was rough. But it was like, it was what, it was what, that's what's really required. Yeah, it was written down, so once it's written down, it has to be done.

I think that commitment to unwavering commitment to completing the work is... It's also trust as well. In a car, you have to fail. You have to trust in the car, too. I think as well, another element of that, what that obviously carries forwards, and you touched on Habit before. If you have the... Idiocincratic habit of...

What I see on paper is what I do in the gym. Without question, I think that the more that you can cultivate that, because I know, I sometimes get programmed, I'm like, oh, fucking hell, you make the excuse just as it's getting hard. Oh, well, I really do need to get to work now. I've got a reason about that. You've always got a reason why you can drop it off. I think that if you are getting coaching,

and this is how I live in Johnny from Prop In would say the same thing with regards to his powerlifting thing. Some of the sessions, some of the volume he has to do, really quite terrible. Yeah. And one rep every six minutes. True. Sorry, Johnny. You do have a lot of rest. Yeah.

Yeah. But sometimes, sometimes there's more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes like three, three, three, half our quarters, three board price. Um, um, on the sessions, he has to use the piece of paper as his external accountability if there's someone there. To written down. But I think it's very hard. I think it's very, I think it's very difficult.

I think what it is. It's testing to rely on, like, just a promise that you made yourself. I said I was going to complete this work. Therefore I've got a complete. I think it was well at the biggest progress that I ever made. It's an athlete and like with my

um like mental approach to training was like even if they have got four rounds of killing and I do the first three under 20. What's killing? Uh, four and four and it's sprue. Four and three to run. It's not brutal on the tone, but I need to do four in the throat. Four and three to run. Thirty wall ball. It's thirty wall ball first. Thirty wall ball, 30 box jumps, five rounds. So it was five rounds of that, rest five minutes, four times. 20 rounds.

20 rounds here, rough. But like, so let's say you do that in the first three or under 20 minutes. Like I used to get, if I didn't get the fourth one under 20 minutes, I'd be like, filled. Now I'm like, well, now I did the fourth one, so at least I stayed and did it. If it takes me 25 minutes, I still completed the work, you know what I failed. Now I'm like, well, now I did the fourth one, so at least I stayed and did it. If it takes me 25 minutes, I still completed the work, you know what I mean?

So it's because I always use Citrus training as a competition, whereas you can't train like that because if you do, you just burn out. You're fucking shit. Yeah, well by the time you look amazing in the game. Yeah, you look great. Like you're a phenomenal game. And then you go home, you're right. Like I'm the polar opposite of that, like I train really bad, but then I've compete reasonably well

in certain competitions depending on the events. Do you find, I'm asking you the question, do you think that people who have a bad mindset, do you think that you can probably highlight some athletes that require mindset work by the ones who perform well in training and badly in competition? I would say maybe it's for a competition mindset, but maybe it's not a training mindset, because people are training well and Jim obviously clearly motivated,

probably just missing that thing that gets them to... And that's the rubber training. It would probably be the coach's rubber training. Yeah, the coach's rubber training, you know, like that's also a big thing. I've been going to give it, just massively over training, under resting, putting a lot of pressure on myself to try and do well. So do more programs, do more programming, get the competition, whether it's the open,

anything like that, then, shut the door, or anything else. Just nothing in the time. That fuck of work. I've over trained for two years to get to this. Two degrees, I think a lot of the time people, what's the great glassman quality to be impressed by intensity, not volume or something like that?

Yeah, I think it's like a fine line with that, because you get people who, you know, like volume, like I've responded really well to volume, so I do a lot of volume, I've responded really, really well to it. And you've had muscle fiber analysis done, so it's the same thing which actually told you that. Yeah, I respond well to doing a lot of volume, so like for example, sprints, like kick my ass, but like a 5K run or a 10K run or a half-mouth, and

I wouldn't be as broken from the next day, and said that I did run 10K less than day, and I was broken for years. But you know what I mean? My body responds better to that, but I think it just depends on the individual. It depends on the area of the individual. So the people can only need to train our day. Some people get a trip through our day. So some people tell themselves they need to train their day.

In real life, it's back to that Instagram thing that actually it's done eight sessions in a day. Probably not. 14th store in a day. 14th store in a day. So before we wrap up, someone is listening. This podcast is going to be about mindset within sport to a degree. Are there any resources that you guys think if someone wants to learn

a little bit more, is there anything that's helped you sort of with framing and YouTube videos, any podcasts, any... Paul's probably the one I chat about, to chat about the chat too, because he's done a bit of reading on it, but I think... But for me, for me, he's just like... I don't need it. He's just talking about it. You're reading on it. You're reading on it? You're reading on it?

But for me, I would just say the Dave Goggins podcast with Joe Rogan is actually really interesting in terms of mindset because he was somebody who came from being obese out of shape, really demotivated, actually quite seriously ill. Somebody who's now arguably the fit's guy on the planet, so that's a really good podcast to listen to. Also, any of the podcasts that I've got like Jason Cleaver's podcast as well, that I'm mentality. Obviously, he's a guy who's not the competitor of actually any more, but the ones multiple businesses but a family, you know, a daughter that's not very well. I mean, I think she's doing better now but he's got all these things going on in his life

and he's still able to train well, run his businesses, did a day, he balances everything quite well. So obviously he's got a pretty clear mindset as to what he's doing. His stuff's good, that's about it really for me. Turn anything that you like. Well not not really in that type of thing, but I don't really read too much into it because it's going to sound quite bad. I believe that it's quite innate. You can talk to yourself and get around certain issues in terms of anxiety and things, but a lot of people tell themselves the mentally strong,

but I would love to try and test that. Okay, well, I think that's actually quite a liberating thing to do. Yeah, because what it means is that a lot of these problems are created at some point. Yeah, the others self-created, you can get around it or something like that, but the tell themselves are so mentally strong until something comes up

where to a certain level of threshold where it will break them. There is that, just... And I 100% agree that these people who do hashtag it should be water-bordered. And see how mentally strong they are. Let's see how long you can really last for that hashtag with your hard work pays off. Which hashtag? The grind. The grind, hustle, the hustle, the hustle. Can we buy the grind? I like the grind, I think it's good. Which one's grinded in a way'? We put a vote on the poll. We put a poll on the Instagram, it was a...

Awesome. I would get no, but I would get no if you crossed it on it. It was, what's more important, the grind and the hustle. And I think the hustle actually won. They just took up Instagram. Instagram, yeah. But back to it, if you need some form of mental training, I'd get a coach, get a coach that you believe in,

get some accountability, and get your life-thane care of in terms of your programming, your belief, your nutrition, get all those aspects dialed in to something where you believe it might be worried program, it might not be, it might be whoever's else is out there who you think who else do. I don't know any other program. There aren't any others are there there's no one's just what it's worry programming all cross the crossword.com yeah there's all the need to program or do it in some situations the same in terms of nutrition like

I've tried to put myself out there to certain people over time and obviously they didn't have the belief in me. Yeah. With certain people. It's a good stuff. It's kind of this background. But I don't know what you mean. Yeah, people need to find a belief where they can trust whoever they're working with. Yeah. And that of the older. I think that's a big thing because like, I do think that's a massive thing.

Like, if you trust the process, God, that's another hand you need. I think that's the best. You know, if you trust the process and you believe that what your coach or your nutrition coach or whatever is trying to get you to do, it takes all the pressure off you training because all you have to do is turn up to it. I mean, the end of the day, your coach, like when we program for someone, we want them to win. We want them to win.

We want them to win. We want them to win. Probably slightly more than they want to and we're probably believing them, slightly more than they believe in themselves and you do it. And you do it. Do you know what I mean? And there'd be very few people in their lives who really want them to win without any other compromises. Like you know your parents want you to win but

they also want you to go and have some dinner with them and maybe have the dessert afterwards. So you go home and your mom's made the sandwich with her and you're like, my mom trying to get shreds. Sorry. Sorry. My mom's going to love it. It's just skip them in. Which not mean your parents aren't trying to get shreds. Sorry. Sorry, sir. My mum's going to love her. It's just give them in. It's not me, your parents aren't trying to fuck you shit up. But all the time. Two more here.

Two more. I would love to get you one more. But they, I'll be up. Erm. Yes. You get me up? Erm, it's time to contract. I'll read your fucking notes.

It's gone. There'll be very few people who want you to win as much as we would. Do you know what I mean? But then it's like, oh well, I don't know if I believe in you, like we fucking believe in you more. And we believe in us. But I get that for some people, it's like, it's an ideology, isn't it? If you resonate with someone or something, it's easier to get on board with.

Yeah. If you're not, if you're not, I sure. I think, I think that getting that buy-in, and I think this is definitely something that over the years with specifically with physiowork that I've had done yeah but also with other bits and pieces especially rehab routines anything where you can't immediately see the benefit I think requires buy in I use this example before so I've done I've started journaling this year people listening or no'm talking about which is a six minute diary, which you can get on Amazon and shit like that.

The first 60 pages of this diary, you don't write in it, this is the justification scientifically for why you are going to do each of these things. This is why it's on a morning. This is why you use a pen and paper. This is why this question gets asked. This is why this question gets asked. These are the studies that show what effect it will elicit to you. The first 60 pages of reading, which is a high barrier to entry for people to actually get to the meat and veg of the product. But once I've completed that 60 pages, I was like,

Father, I can sing the praises of this now. I am bought in because you'll buy other people and I'm like, well, absolutely. You're like, look, this is, I've had the dream sold to you. And I think that this is a lot of the time that you guys do it. Definitely, I think, and the pro-paint boys do too. You underplay two degree because you're humble guys. You underplay your level of expertise

because you take it for granted to a degree. And then when you actually sometimes deploy, so I read a page of the, we dominate nutrition, the most recent PDF that you have sent out at some point. When the open guide or maybe I'm not sure, it was one about whether you're reading carbs before cardio and carbs before weight training? And it's a page on that. And I was like, just reading through about what phosphocreatines energy system gets activated through ATP, glucose, transfer, and I'm like, Tim's, Tim's like a fucking wizard. Like Tim is a legitimate wizard.

Like what the fuck is, what's all, what is this? The group, bro. The thing is, people don't need to know it. They just need to know I'm going to have a carbohydrate because of it. I think it's like you know, disseminating knowledge. And that's where the application really provides. And that's what we do really well. We get to get a set of putting ATP by this program.

We put fuck yourself up. Yeah. I think you're I think people are like, you're right to make it important. to get a set of putting ATP by its programming. We put fuck yourself up. Yeah. I think people are like, you're right to make this important, it's important for people to know that you know that for them to then buy in. Yeah. I've said to both yourself and use it as a good example from prop and fitness.

In six months time, we'll be a doctor, proper, proper doctor. Yeah. Yeah. And every so often, during a live stream or something similar, or the same during one of your PDFs, you'll read something that kind of like let's you peer behind the curtain a bit and you go, Jesus fucking Christ. Like I'm aware that I just got to see like the Gossamer Thin Veneer of the disseminated information. the top of the page that I need to know. But there's all, there's a fucking bastard that lives below it. And it's just, he go, wow. And that to me, personally, I think that

yeah, you don't want to be swinging your dick around showing off because you somehow feel that that makes you like like you're able to publicly masturbate through a PDF essentially about how good you are. But I certainly think from my side as a potential client, as a good example, for that I read the first 60 pages, six minute diary and I've just completed it today, final day, and I bought another one because I want to go again because I believe in the process. And I think part of that is the justification for where the end result has come from. Yeah.

And I think that a lot of them, a lot of coaches that I know, a lot of people, physios as well, like, make people believe in the process, like, to tell them that understanding, some people just want to know. Yeah. But then other people need to understand it. Yeah.

And you said, you know, some of the clients you said earlier on Paul about some of the clients need that like that extra level of care retention or whatever you want to say. But some people respond really well to that. But sometimes they also just need to just book and go. They just need to do it. And I think yeah, but I you know, I definitely think from your guys side like having seen what it is that you put out and how well developed it is I definitely think that that's one of the things that um probably even some of your athletes need to appreciate a little bit more like just how much work goes into that sort of stuff so anyway thank you very much guys we will be back with

Tim and potentially someone up potentially just some cupcakes might bring the dog bring the dog? Bring Bar? Oh my God, could you imagine how loud it would be? Oh, it would be carnage, right? It would probably shit any cow. But I'm sure the kneaded kneaded earlier on. Yeah, I've got through the whole podcast,

so I'm good, isn't it? He's very good. I know that book for a while. I know that book for a while. When you've found five of millions. Like, it's been four and two days, like it's quite a lot for me that before I'm off setting the millions with caffeine. I think I said I'll need anything, so it's not that they come days, like it's quite a lot for me that before I'm off setting the medium volumes with caffeine.

Think I said I'd need anything, so it's not that they come out. I like to move it. Yeah. I just went up, took the medium every day, like three years, didn't I? Poor work. Coming back out of it.

I've got to do that poor work. Didn't I put work for years? Didn't want to put it anywhere except, is all more than gym? Why? Because you didn't like it, because you weird. And then you did, the amount of the gel I realized to get the shit up about, and then wipe it with the Zans Why? Because he's like it. Because he's weird. And then he did the amount of Kilimanjaro, realized he had to get the shit up a mountain and wipe it with his hands and after I go over it.

Well, on that bottom shelf. Sorry to ruin your ending then. Absolutely family. We know many nutrition, build up North, worry programming, re-buck cross-fit time, so I don't know if you can be in the show or not. Thank you very much for your season. Get off of it