Modern Wisdom - #029 - The Human Garage - A New Approach To Optimising Human Movement

Episode Date: September 10, 2018

Garry Lineham is a movement specialist and the Co-Founder of The Human Garage in Los Angeles. The Human Garage is home to some of Hollywood's biggest movie stars, NFL & NBA players, doctors and much more. It's about as progressive of a human movement facility as you'll find on the planet, their approach is starkly non-typical and seriously pushes boundaries in physiotherapy. Garry takes us through his entire journey and explains why The Human Garage has become one of LA's most talked about wellness facilities. Further Reading: https://www.humangarage.net/ (If you're in LA and would like to jump the queue for a consultation - mention Modern Wisdom and you'll get a priority response) Check out everything I recommend from books to products and help support the podcast at no extra cost to you by shopping through this link - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi friends. Now you may remember earlier on this year that I got to go away to L.A. and I got to see the guys from Rommod, which was really cool, got to record some routines with them. I also got to go and see the guys from the human garage. Now the human garage is a wellness and movement specialist facility near Santa Monica, just off LA's beach. And I first heard of them when Ben Greenfield mentioned them on his podcast, they have a very progressive, very forward thinking and different alternative view of human anatomy and wellness in general.

I thought it would be interesting for me to pay them a visit. So I got in touch and very kindly, they let me go down and use in general. I thought it would be interesting for me to pay them a visit, so I got in touch and very kindly, they let me go down and use the facility. It ended up being around about a two to two and a half hour procedure. We were supposed to sit down and podcast while I was out there, but then the guy who played Superman in the 2005 movie came in, so he took precedence. But this facility deals with NBA stars, NFL players, doctors, Hollywood movie stars. They literally have got one of the hottest spots

in all of LA. I'm very, very fortunate to have been able to go and see them. I wanted to get Gary who is the co-founder on the podcast to just try and explain where this very popular very alternative thinking Success has come from and I think he managed just to do it today So I'm not going to take it any further. I'm going to let Gary speak for himself. One final thing if you are in LA and you do want to check out the human garage, they haven't sponsored this episode at all, however, the waiting list is incredibly long if you want

to see them. But if you mention modern wisdom, when you book for your consultation application, they will bump you to the top of the list. I'm going to be really interested to hear some feedback about this one, so don't forget, get at me, at Chris Willx on Instagram, Twitter, wherever it is that you want to get in touch, or modern wisdompodcast at gmail.com, but for now, on to the show. Gary, welcome to Monin Wisdom. Hi Chris, how you doing?

Very good thank you and yourself. I'm doing fantastic sitting here in southern California nice and sunny we've been having a little bit of a heat wave out here. Well it's not too bad in the UK for one side there actually. I'm going to guess based on my experience when I was out with you guys the weather is not going to be quite the same but we'll take what we can get in England at the moment. For sure. I really good have any out here.

It was really interesting. I just wish we had more time with you. Me too. It's LA is one of those places. It's kind of like a hotspot for wellness and it pushes the forefront and the boundaries to a degree of treatment and of, you know, I mean, weed is legal out there at the moment, cannabis is legal and you know, it seems like it's, seems like it's very progressive on all fronts. Would you say that's about right?

Yeah, I think it's really progressive in all fronts. I mean, I'm from Canada, originally, and Vancouver. We're a bit more liberal in all aspects of things, but down here you've just got a collection of both athletes, professional, otherwise Olympic athletes. So you have a little bit more of the treatment talent and the thought processes and the modalities that are out here. So you just get a bit more of everything that's on. Yeah, I get that. So you are the co-founder of the human garage. Yes, my wife is my co-founder. She is the boss. She signs all the tests. I've learned through submission to be very next to her. Fantastic. Well, you don't want your paycheck cut. That's exactly what happens with my business

partner sometimes. If I've pissed him off for a little while, I'll find out that you've got a bunch of my paycheck sat in the safe. For sure, for sure. But we have a whole variety of people as you know that come out here. So we have people from all over the world, including UK as our third largest draw market. So we have quite a bit of people come from the UK out to Venice Beach to see us. So take everyone through at home who hasn't heard of the human garage. Take us through the story, what, where you started, what your ethos is, where you are now, and what you do. Okay, fair enough. I mean, it's, it's a little bit of a journey, but, but one of the best ways for people to get the, the whole story is to, it's a listen to some of

the backgrounds. I mean, there's a number of different, different reports and media outlets that we've But one of the best ways for people to get the whole story is to listen to some of the backgrounds. There's a number of different reports and media outlets that we've reported to. It started in the short form the time that we have. It started with me being a professional bodybuilder back in the 80s. I fell under a 600-pound squat. From that point forward, the rest of my adult life, I've been in one form of therapy or another trying to resolve that and I always using exercise and stretching and and and chiropractic physical therapy at

Goscu rawl thing felt in Christ met that anything and everything to keep my body out of pain and it just and I was always in like from from my early 20s through to my mid 30s, I was in a 2 to 4 pain every day, but towards the end of my 30s, I started being more like a 6 to 9 pain every day. So after being through every form of therapy, literally known as mankind, not only here, but all through Europe, all through Asia. And I was just determined to find a way to solve my issue. And I realized that if I didn't understand enough to tell people to communicate my issue, every time I went to another modality,

they had another way of looking at it. So I had to find a unified way of communicating what my problems were. So I look for foundations and chiropractic as a and as physical therapy to trail and help explain my problem. So when I don't know if you've ever experienced this, Chris, but if you go from doctor to doctor with a chronic issue of any kind, having to explain yourself and go through their process each and every time, it gets pretty tedious now after hundreds and hundreds of days, just start learning the language. So as we learned the language of chiropractic

and physical therapy, we went to the next step and I was just trying to really solve my issue. So I saw it out the top 10 people and probably every industry you can imagine and went to them wherever they were in the world. And towards the end, as I got into my 30s, my back would be going out once or twice a year. and towards the end, as I got into my 30s, my back would be going out once or twice a year,

but I got to a point where it was starting to go at every month or two. And at the end of it, it was like 10 times I would my back went out, and that would be out for about two weeks at a time. And it saw I was in bed 22 weeks towards the end of my journey. And that's where the foundation is, where I said something has to change,

because you may or may not experience this or have any relationship to this, but at some point, I didn't want to kill myself, but I really didn't want to be alive anymore. It was just an excruciating pain. I can imagine it's very, very uncomfortable. Yeah, and then neurologically, it gets stressful too, because the pain itself starts becoming the pain.

Well, yeah, it'll start to reputten. That's correct, isn't it? Especially with back pain, I'm writing thinking that as you get back pain, you become more susceptible to further back pain. Correct. Yeah, and it's just because your whole body's trying to organize and keep itself aligned and working in in gravity and that's really what the the challenge was is that

We were looking at the body the wrong way or in my opinion the most of the industry is looked at the body the wrong way And that's part of the reason why we have so many people that are in Russia Okay, so that's the set up, I suppose. Who was it that you went to go and see? You said that you went to go and see a number of experts around the world. Can you remember who they were? Yeah, I just don't feel it appropriate to call up people, but nothing worked. Oh, I do.

Oh, I do. If I had a smashing success with somebody, I maybe I want to call it out, but just basically, and it wasn't the practitioners, it's just the way that we were approaching the body, each modality learns how to help the body with its background and its own view of the body. If you don't fit any one of those boxes, and there's a number of people out there that are going around from practitioner to practitioner, and from modality to modality, and they trade off a little bit of success or a little bit of pain reduction, but then they have to go somewhere else.

And that's typically what happens. People just get pushed around from therapy to therapy until one time that they're just no longer able to do it anymore. And that's generally what happens to people today. Yeah, yeah, I can understand that. So where do you go from there? You've spent enough time

with the doctors that you feel like you could do their job for them. And what comes after that? Well, you know, there's a number of different things. So I was using a whatever therapy I could manage my own pain and discomfort. And people always ask, what kind of pain was it? Was back pain, neck pain, it was generalized discomfort. It was something where I would have ribs going on all the time, my neck would go on all the time, and there just seemed to be no solution for it. So at one point of all the places I travel in the world, and I literally mean all through Europe and all through Asia, one of the places that I found a guy in Orange County which is about 45 minutes south of where I am right

now and he had a neuromuscular therapy that he was using to make Olympic runners run faster and that therapy got me up and over the hurdle and and as long as I did it twice a week I was virtually out of pain. Now I still had high levels of discomfort but you know when you've been in pain for a long time a day or two without pain is just you'll take any when you can get. Fast difference, right? Yeah, and that therapy was, got me out of pain. I used that, we, we had the time, it's called brain body calibration.

It, I looked at the guy who was doing the therapy. He was a PhD in medical science, kinesiology and pain management. And I looked at him and said, he's about 10 years older than me. He's probably going to die before me. I don't mean that to be facetious, but I'm looking at saying, this is the only therapy I've had in 20 years that keeps me even stable.

I'm going to need somebody else to do this. So I convinced him to go off and hire, we started up the Ruben Science Centers, and we hired five doctors, forty therapists, their boats, and we used that as a platform to start and expand his thought process, which was a neuromuscular therapy. And like I said, therapy got me out of pain, but I had to do it twice a week, and I became a victim of yet another problem, which was the fear of pain. So I was out of pain.

I had to go on a vacation. And I knew that within the two weeks that I was going to be gone, that I would be in pain before I got back. And I just couldn't get myself to leave, because I couldn't get myself to go into that level of pain again. And that's where I realized that my solution was to manage my pain through treatment. It wasn't a good solution. I needed to find an answer.

And so as we looked to additional modalities to try and bring them in to help me understand what to do next. My partner at the time, he said it was my name on the door and it was. And it was Rubenstein Center, and he said, so no, this is a modality of staying here. So at that point, I decided to leave and continue my journey and find a way to get myself permanently out of pain.

And that's what led to the human garage. Wow. So what was it specifically that you think was the difference between the most recent treatment that we've just been discussing there and everything that you tried previously? Because as you say, it didn't necessarily fix the discomfort, but it did fix the pain and that's a pretty big step to take it the beginning. So can you identify what it was about that treatment that was different? Yeah, so the treatment we were using previous to this, if you looked at it, I mean,

people have seen it online, they see two or three people standing around a table. It kind of looks like ART, but the intention was much different. We had a fund, basically there's been two fundamental beliefs that have been with us since the day we started. The first one was the human body is designed to heal itself. And if it is designed to heal itself, we either have to stimulate it into doing something or stimulate it into not doing something and just let the body figure itself out. That's the one primary belief that we had in the second one was I didn't believe that I was unfixable.

I didn't believe that I was the only one that everybody I knew that had to continue doing therapy for the rest of my life. So with that foundation of belief, I literally started working in a garage, and it was my garage here in Venice Beach, and I had a PT that I was working with, and we were just experimenting, and we were just following a series of what seemed at the time dumb ideas or just illogical ideas. And we had a series of discoveries which led to how the body was managing itself and gravity basically. And when we figured that out, all of a sudden we'd done a very specific release on one

of the adectors in my right leg. And I stood up straight for the first time in my life without any tension. It was a very bizarre experience, but that's what let us believe that there's more to this and what we learn in school, there's more to this and what we've been educated about. And it's sort of opening up this process of always looking for a better way and always investigating. Okay, so did you do during this period when you were developing the human garage? Did you do any formal training? Did you go into physiotherapy, education? Did you do any biomechanical work or anything like that? Always it kind of learned as you go. Well, it depends on what you consider to be a formal training. I've spent 25 years studying, educating,

hiring people to train me, paying for training, going for courses and seminars. I mean, heck, I started a business with a PhD in medical science and had five doctors and dozens of therapists defending his science. So yes, there's a lot of education, but the formalized education, and most people can relate to this. You go to school, there's a lot of education, but the formalized education, and most people can relate to this. You go to school, you learn a bunch of stuff,

then you go off and you go into your practice or into your career, and you use almost nothing that you learn in school. It's not really no different in healthcare. A lot of the education comes from being out there working with people and seeing live results. Yeah, that's totally correct. I guess the letters in front or behind your name, are just, they're really just a fail safe for someone who doesn't know you that says I have the minimum required education that someone should do to be able to practice what you think that you want from me.

Yeah, I'm the least trained or educated person here. I'm the least trained or educated person here. I'm serious. I mean, I have actually technically outside of nutrition training and supplement training. I've taken courses on biomechanics and fashion and stuff like that. But those are more interest courses that you would take as a practitioner. But for the most part, yeah, my training came from the street.

But what that allowed me to do is ask a lot of dumb questions Chris and you know when you ask dumb questions you get smart answers and You know like for example, let's just this just jump off the deep end Where do we start off with I I looked at it and said okay? I have a problem and my background just so you know is when I got out of school in the 80s, you could go in and be a doctor for $150,000 a year. You could go in and be a lawyer for about $200,000 a year. Or you could go into the wireless industry

and technology and make three quarters of a million dollars a year. So I did what any young man would do. When it's a wireless, when it's a technology. And I went where the money was. And I, but as I started getting more, more problems as sick or more, more dysfunctional, I started organizing more of my life around my dysfunction. So in other words, if I'm going to a telecom conference

in Miami, and I had a choice between Miami and California, I'd take the one that had a health conference somewhere around that time and I started double dipping in my in my travel because I was really trying to figure out, you know, what the issue, we know what the issue was. The nice thing about asking stupid questions is I got a, as I said, let's dive off the deep end. I got to ask the biggest one, which is the brain charge of the body. And fundamentally, scientifically, that's not true. It's a command center, but it's not the command center.

And if it was a command center, Chris, then why is it that when babies being developed at the heartbeats before the brain is developed? That's interesting. So what do you mean about the brain not being in control? Well, it's not in charge. It's a control center. Yeah, so it's not if you think of your body like we've we've Context a lot and contextualize this experience of being human and we we try to make analogies so we feel grounded in those analogies like we say our brain is like a computer. Well, let me give you another reference point. How about your body's like a computer, and your brain is like a CPU. It runs programs. The brain is always analyzing the internal and external environments and posed upon us and adapting us to the environments.

And the latest research on the vagal nerve shows that 90% of the information goes up the vagal nerve to the brain. Again, that's another indicator that maybe the brain isn't in charge. And so the world of science and medicine starts to split right there either either the brain isn't in charge of the body or the brain is just another organ that's part of the body's operation. And if you say the brain's in charge of the body then the body's a meat suit. And then that's that's where traditional medicine and thought processes go down.

But there's this whole new world of people that are saying, hey, there's way more to this than we think. Like for example, your fascia, which we're working on when you were here at Chris, is a hundred trillion cells. Your brain is a hundred billion cells. That's a thousand times, that's a thousand stomachs in your head, sorry in your fascia. Your brain is, your fascia is a thousand times more organically dense than, and it's supposedly the command center in the body. And if you think about the fascia from the inside of your skull to the inside of your feet right on your toes, it's a

complete sheet of material, connective material, and I'll give you a way to reference it. Think about that material, it's all one big sheet, and in there there's pockets, and then those pockets lie muscles, tendons, and bones, and organs. So basically, if you think about it that way, that's more of a true representation of the body, and the body has all these input systems, or these systems that have to work together and they're interdependent. And each one is dependent upon the other ones. Like, even the brain is dependent upon your senses to give you information. So one of the things we get here with a lot of people is they'll have a neurological like

a vestibular in your ear balance issue, and their brain proceeds that they're falling over. Well, if you have a vestibular issue and you're trying to do body work or chiropractic work or alignment work or train yourself or get your glute to fire, it's not going to fire because neurologically, the brain has the wrong information and the body acts accordingly. So the idea is that we can't separate a canx from neurology, from organ function. These are all, have to be looked at together. And the problem with our current system evaluation and treatment, is they're all broken apart.

Okay, I understand, I understand, I've, my self-mirefacial release to one degree or another is like a mainstay of almost all strength sports, or almost all sports in general, pretty much every from casual to professional sports person is going to have a foam roller or a crossball or whatever in their in their kit bag, right? So to one degree, people are aware that the fashion is important, but it sounds like you're putting a lot more emphasis on it than previously had been, is that right? Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's a lot more emphasis on it than previously had been, is that right?

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff. I mean, we don't have the time on this podcast to dig into it. And if people want to listen, there's a lot more where I've gone into this into deeper fashions. But basically, you think about it this way. The fascia is a completely wraps a body. It's super intelligent.

It information travels beyond the speed of light. Faster than you can feel it. Like if you were to sit there right now and you're clinched your right jaw, you'll feel it in your right foot, the second you clinched your right jaw. The problem is that a nerve signal takes about a second, a half to make that same distance transit

And so if you really look at it is the way that we are getting information that our brain and our body operates on Is it really what we're told and the answer scientifically is coming up? No, no, no So you think you think that it's something to do with the fascia that's communicating is that right like the fascia's Communicating signals it does there's no question about it Is that right? Like the fush is communicating signals. It does. There's no question about it. It takes a second and a half for a nerve signal to go from the foot to the brain, back to the foot again. So when you walk off a curb and you hit a sharp rock, how can you move so fast?

You know, in medicine, we say it's in science, we say, oh, it's a reflex. Like the ganglion reflex. But that's an unintelligent movement. If I hit my knee, a doctor hits my knee with a hammer, my knee is gonna jump, right? Yeah, but if I step off a curb and have zero drop shoes and I step on a rock and I jump and I move intelligently, that's not the same response as a doctor hitting my knee with a hammer. So the question is, a nurse signal cannot travel to the brain that fast. So how is that signal getting there? Good question. Good question.

Good question. Well, so our hypothesis is it's fashion. We deliver it every day by, we can demo it in just 10 seconds while you're sitting here on a table. But the whole point is, let's just say this, without getting into the particulars and having cat fights about what is and what isn't, let's just say this, without getting into the particulars and having cat fights about what is and what isn't, let's just say that the information that we have doesn't adequately explain the experiences

that we are currently living in. And if that's the case, then we, that just opens up the order to have to look and investigate. In human garages, we recognize that there's a truth in every single modality that's out there. And you know that we have MDs, we have chiropractors, we have nutritionists, we have naturopaths to talk to us, we've got bodywork, we've got PT's and neurologically trained trainers.

We've got every form, our every discipline that helps a human body into one location. You were very well armed with different practitioners while I was there. There was about, I think maybe six people upstairs, all of whom were from a different background or a different discipline. And then at one point, I think about four of them were working on me. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's the other part too, is that the body, you know,

we can get into that too, but the body just, it's, it, it's not the way that we think it is. And again, if we open up that question and that thought process, you start to investigate and look at more. So part of the reason why there's four people working on you is that there's three distinct regions of the body, the lumbar, the thoracic, and the cervical. And each of those regions has its own little eco structure, things that it does that's important. Like, like like pressure relief valve. Your head has a pressure relief valve, it's your ears.

Your lumbar has a pressure relief valve. That's your back side. And your diaphragm itself, at the top of the diaphragm, has two pressure relief valves, one with the esophagus and one with the arteries. And the body is always trying to balance the pressure and the mechanics. And what you experienced when you were there, there's three of us working on you, you're standing up, and there's three people touching you in different areas of your body. And what we're doing is stimulating a response.

And we're asking your body to figure itself out. Yeah. Just as a brief segue here, if anyone is listening on iTunes, you're going to have to imagine this or Spotify or if you're tuning in. However, if you are on YouTube, I'll make sure that video, guide, Dean overlays all of the footage, all of the imagery that I got while I was having this treatment in human garage. So head to Mon and Wisdom on YouTube to check that out if you want to see just what Gary's actually talking about here. But it does, it does look a little bit like a...

If it's a still image, it looks a little bit like an army of people are maybe fighting me. But if you see a video, it's a number of people twisting, right? There's a twisting motion going on. Yeah, and what we're doing is we're providing fashion inputs to different regions of the body. And the reason why we do this, this is actually the interesting thing Chris is, because people that have no reference to us, they're like, why are you doing therapy standing up?

And I'm like, well, it's pretty simple in my mind. We're meant to be standing and walking in gravity. So if I want my body to act in a certain way, the best thing to do is put it in a national environment, let it figure itself out. I looked at the human body and said this, you know, again, asking dumb questions. I looked at and said, okay, if I'm going to fix myself, I'm going to approach it like a tech problem, like I did everything else.

And I said, what are, what's my goal? I want, I have a back pain, neck pain, I have bloating, I have brain fog, I have pain in my feet. I want to be able to stand and walk without pain and dysfunction. And at that point, that's all I'm saying. I mean, I'm at the point now where I'm going to play sports again for the first time in two decades.

What's the point? What sport you don't choose to play? I don't know. I've been trying to make a decision, which I go back to, but I have such a fan of golf, but I want to do something team based. So maybe it's some boy-boy. You've got the build. I've been being around you for a little while. You've got the build for someone a little bit bigger than a golfer.

I know it's just that little white ball. It's such a pesky thing. You know, it's like all I wanted to do is get in a hole and all it does is fight me. Yeah, yeah, I've felt that pain before as well. So the strongest action, I looked at and said, okay, what are the things that are imposed on the body? And literally, I wrote down like this, gravity, atmospheric pressure, emotional stress, sleep deprivation, dehydration, I went through it, and missed all the things that were potentially wrong

on my body or that were wrong. And only to find out that the first two had never been thought about in 3500 years. We've never considered our body's ability to adapt to compensate around atmospheric pressure and gravity. And since those are the two factors that are that the single largest imposing factors on human condition is atmospheric pressure and gravity. And in 3500 years, we've never considered that at any form of therapy, mechanics, sports mechanics. At any way, shape or form,

that just doesn't seem logical to me. And so when we, when we looked at that, we started, we said, well, what happens when we put the body in gravity? And what we found out, as you saw, Chris, is a very unique thing happens. The body, strongest action of a human existence, is our ability to adapt or compensate. And we're great at compensating. Now the thing is, when we put the body in gravity and we give it inputs, the body has to adapt

to our inputs and gravity and the adaptation is a unification between the three areas of the body. And once that happens, everything else starts to just work better. Okay. Yeah. I remember when we sat down, I remember you discussing the spiral of gravity going down and how that can affect different areas of the body. I remember you speaking about the atmospheric pressure as well. So how do natural

forces like pressure, air pressure and gravity, how do they unprime the body or how do they prime the body for injury, should I say, how do they unprime it for being optimal? Right. Okay. So yeah, I'm trying to try to decide how far we go into these discussions. As far as you want, Gary. Yeah. We do have a time restriction. We get about 30 minutes left. Right. So basically, imagine this. If you've never held a gyroscope, encourage people to just hold one for once. Because you have a little gyroscope besides your palm in your hand and you hold it in your arms straight

out and your whole body will want to turn around in its bizzac. But basically, where you live on the planet Earth, Earth spends it a thought, a thousand miles an hour and that creates a centrifugal or spin gravity. And it travels at 66,000 miles an hour around the sun. So it's another gravitational force. And what we're doing is we're standing against it. And gravity is not just pulling us down. It actually pulls us and slightly torques us. And depending on our orientation and where we are, hemispheres, northern hemisphere, southern hemisphere, there's a slight difference.

At the equator, there's a difference because gravity is imposed in a different force on us in those areas. So when we're in the northern hemisphere and we're being pulled down, typically you're going to have a little bit of a pull from your left shoulder to your right hip. So you're pulling and rotating into your right little bit. And that's why the most common injuries, 80% of people, they tend to have injuries in the same generalized areas and that's because we have the same basic forces applied upon us. So 80% of people in the Northern Hemisphere have got an injury which is left shoulder or

right hip, is that correct? No, they got a tension pattern left shoulder to right hip. Okay. Usually, yeah, so we have a little joke here, the garage we say that murderers are silent, but victim scream. And what I mean by that is that the type muscles, the murderer, you don't feel it silent, but what you feel is all the muscles reacting to it, all the screaming from all the muscles that are trying to resolve the one issue, the one muscle being tight. That's the referred pain, so to speak, right? Yeah, we referred pain in our reaction, too. So typically people are tighter on one side.

Most people can tell you I'm tighter on my right side or my left side. And most people are tighter on one side of their body. And the injuries typically happen on the other side because the body's comp sitting around it. But what I am saying is that 80% of people have the same basic tension pattern because we do things basically the same way.

And we tend to throw the ball most of the time with the right hand, right with the right hand. Now there's left these two. And there's people that are back and forth, goofy or amdedexers, but just generally, the majority of the world has the same type of issues. So if the same forces are implied upon the body, then there comes into things like socialization. Do I play a sport? Do I walk? Do I sit down, and all those things just start to change. But after a while, you start to know what I'm known as patterns. In the physical medicine industry, most practitioners would see, they have about 25 or 35 appointments a week, 35 is on the top side usually. And you're're gonna see people usually once or twice a week twice a week

It's kind of an arm when you're in a repair status and so you're talking about somebody having somewhere between 12 and 18 Clients a week they see and they're gonna double it up over the course of the month and they're gonna see them a couple times in the month So they're most likely seen of a 50 to 60 people a month The human garage and you know our formats open. We're into the two and a half to 3,000 appointments a month. So we have such a broader aspect to see things and since it's an open format. I'm not only witness is what's happening on my table

and working on your crystal or where we're working in a corner. I can see all the other people working what's going on. So my scope of what is normal or what patterns are starts to really enlarge. I guess you're sample that you're taking data from in whatever form you want to say that is wider by a pretty big factor. If you guys are moving through between two to three thousand clients a month,

and as you said at the beginning, and this is something that I did want to emphasize for people that are listening at home, the range of the range of clients that I saw while I was in there, I think you had a pregnant woman followed by me, then followed by the guy who played Superman in the 2005 movie, is that right? Yeah, Brandon Rouse. Yeah. Brandon Rouse, is it? Rouse, yeah. Yeah.

And you've got NFL players and you've got basketball players. Yeah. All sitting there on the same table is right beside each other going to the same therapy. You know, my general thing is if it works, it works and it shouldn't be less because you have less money. We're neutralizing therapy costs, so people pay the same price for the same work that gets done on a professional athlete, gets done on a pregnant lady. I mean, we may do different therapies, but. Yeah, you might not quite have the same physiological demands, but it's nice. It's certainly nice for people to be able to feel like they

get to the same level of treatment, as certainly know, from personal experience, that if you go into some physiotherapy studios, you know if you've kind of been putting in with the apprentice or the master sometimes. Sure. And especially when you're health on the line or an injury is on the line and you want to feel like you're getting the best service, it's not a very conducive environment, definitely not for healing, right? Yeah, that's an interesting dilemma Chris because then, you know, the world of healthcare, what we do is we

And that's an interesting dilemma, Chris, because then, you know, the world of health care, what we do is we put the practitioner, the guy who has a therapy on a pedestal, and you'll see that even if you go through our media and stuff like that, you'll see podcasts from all my practitioners, doctors, and stuff like that, because this isn't about me first of all and Second of all is that it's not a very good strategy to have the The access to help people a limited resource. So I am a limited resource. There's only one of me and But the idea is to be able to take and have a system that allows my that allows my staff What they've been here two months or three months or six months or 12 months or a year or five years to be able to take and have a system that allows my staff, whether they've been here two months or three months or six months or 12 months or a year or five years, to be able to deliver the same end result.

And the same end result is, and we found a way of systematically doing it. We've been able to, we've been able to, we've been able to, we've been able to, we've been able to, we've been able to,

we've been able to, we've been able to, we've been able to, we've been able to, we've been able to, we've been able to, we've been able to, we've been able to, we've been able to expedite your training. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of hands on. The junior practitioners are the hands for the senior practitioners. And our practitioners are called motion mechanics and torque mechanics. So what happens is you start off as an assistant,

and depending on your level of skill, you're ready to understand. You move to become a torque mechanic. And then the senior, the most advanced part is a Matt as a motion mechanic and then a master motion mechanic and The the difference really is is that we encourage our Practitioners to be multi-discipline like for example a master motion mechanic Makes more money than a motion mechanic

But the reason why is because they understand the neurological rehabilitation, they understand the chemistry and the supplementation aspect, they understand the facial work, they understand the chiropractic portion, so they have a wider range of knowledge. But at the end of the day, really all you care about is, as a client, is that you come in, the pain that you have or the issue you have is looked at, understood, addressed, and results. And that's what we've been good at. And it's not the Gary Lineham channel for sure. And I'm trying to make myself less and less and less available. Well, I mean, that's how you, from a business perspective, that's how you make yourself, how you make the business bigger than you, right? And obviously that's how you allow yourself to scale as well. I think what you've touched on, there must be, you must hear some skeptical voices in the industry, both from people who are established and defensive,

from people who don't understand or aren't willing to understand. But I think what you've focused on is correct. If someone comes in and they have a pain or they have a discomfort or they have a problem, and when they leave or at the end of their course of treatment or whatever it is, if that has been reduced, then the method has been effective. And, correct.

Do you think in the industry? Not everybody buys into that though. You know, like, I'll give you that though. I'll give you an example. 25% of our clients are doctors, medical practitioners, chiropractors, physical therapists, surgeons, whatever. And I was dealing with a guy not too long ago. He'd been in pain for about 15 years. And within 45 minutes, he's literally

out of pain for the first time in 15 years. And I said, he was in somebody else's car to come in, bought him an initial consultation. It was kind of pushed him into going. And he's an orthopedic, by the way. And at the end of it, I just said, hey, how do you feel? He's like, interesting enough, I'm out of pain. And I said, well, let's go forward, let's take this to the next step and let's work

this out so that you can have this as a permanent solution. You know, something that you know how to imagine. Because science hasn't worked out on this. I'm thinking of a little while to see how this all shapes up. And I'm like, you've got to be kidding. You've been in pain for 15 years. You're now out of pain for the first time in 15 years, and you want to wait and talk to somebody about it. You know what I mean?

That's a perfect example for what I was referring to there, which is potentially people dogmatically sticking to whatever their ideology is, whatever their school of thought is, and not permitting themselves to allow the effect of whatever the treatment is to move through them. So, I mean... What is a society, Chris, that's a society thing. So, we value in our society time and lineage more than we value results. That's a lovely little synopsis.

Now, you're absolutely right. I mean, does it feel sometimes like you guys at the human garage because you are quite progressive, you know, there's a bed of crystals for decarging, which I want to get on to in a second, and there's the talk therapy, and three practitioners working at once. Do you sometimes feel like that's maybe an easy target for kind of vindictive critics and stuff like that to go up? You know, I don't, I guess it could be, I don't know if it hasn't been so far and I'll tell you why, is because publicly, we've never told people how we do it, we do. We just do it. So the one thing it's hard to argue with, you can't argue with, with rewards.

You also can't argue against a process that you don't know what it is either, I suppose. Correct, yeah, you can't pick it apart. So, and by the way, that's purpose, personally. Like, how do you really care how I did it? Or do you just really want to know that it's been done? Because, you know, I can spend all this time drawing out the technical aspects and talking about the science of it,

and back and forth, and our our investigation how we found it or Or just just want it done and that's so the idea is that it kind of splits into two categories The people who just really want to get it done a very First of all initially and then then the ones that that you know that have to understand and if they want to understand They come in here will explain we explain to people as they come through the process. We explain everything that we're doing, why we're doing it. We show them the thought process,

even if they have some mystery, like their bodywork or chiropractor. This is how you would look at it before, correct? This is how we look at it, and this is what we're gonna do. And we're always there to explain to people, but just generally, as a rule of thumb, I think that the more we try to explain right now,

the more the less credible it sounds. I mean, this is not always this working. And just before I got on this podcast with you, I had a guy that I've been working with, and he was an old client. He's been, you know, probably four and a half years ago, five years ago. Really, when we were starting the thought process, right? And so he hadn't been here in about four years, somewhere in that range.

And he comes back in and normally looking at him, it would have been, okay, we're going to be here for the next 12 hours of therapy, six sessions or seven sessions, eight sessions. And in 35 minutes, he walked out better than he had ever walked out of the human garage. And that's a shift because even for a practitioner who's used to delivering a result, but they know what kind of time and energy it takes to deliver the result. To be in a situation where 20, 30 minutes, they can do more than they used to do in age 10 hours. That's a little hard for people as well. And by the way, that's our biggest problem with

practitioners today, is training them is that it just looks too simple. They can't let go of the tether to their previous education to one degree or another. Oh yeah, and this has got to be the worst industry in the world where people are tethered to an education I've ever seen. Well, it's interesting. So I was learning about a theory called Working from First Principles. It's something which Elon Musk does a lot. And it definitely sounds to me like you're,

for one of the better term, your lack of education, formal education within the industry has permitted you to look at these issues in a new light. And you know, if you guys are doing between 2000 and 3000 clients a month and of those about Appointments sorry, sorry about that. So but that will mean that will mean sort of circle what 100 to 200 health care professionals If about 25% of them are from the health care industry if you've seen people once a week or twice a week, something like that, you know,

it's a good number of healthcare professionals are coming through the door. Probably about 750% of people started. Wow, so I mean, that's a significant number of people with, you know, I mean, what's that? 750, you do about five years in medical school for each of those people. So you're talking on like nearly 4,000 years of study.

And these people are coming back. For one reason or another, they are coming back. Yeah, usually it's turns off as, you just kept going on coming here with an issue, the issue then they usually trial it with a few ends or actions, something like that. And it works out, they just start referring. And that's why we didn't have a website to last year.

And we weren't open to the public to last year. You didn't have a website until last year. Yeah, there's no point in like, I mean, we have a reputation people are trying to get here. There's no point in knowing people even further if the waiting list is like eight months or a year. Like we had people last year that we were calling them up. We're cycling through, I did podcast with Ben Greenfield last year. And there was, there was a couple people that was about 150 people that still hadn't had some sort of contact

with us from here. And we're contacting them. They're, oh, yeah, I forgot that I'm on that way list. That's how long it is sometimes. And by the way, we're way better now because we've increased our capacity, but it's been a growing process like a year ago, there was only six people total that did therapy. Today, there's like five people doing therapy. How many was that, sorry? Six last last year and there's about 25 this year. Okay and I guess as you've said expediting the training from being previously, how long was it? You know it's nine to 12 months to have somebody functional and you know, realistically, you know, 12 to 18 months to be comfortable with I could walk away. Today, that that's a 35, 80% reduced because it's just that the tenants are what we do. I wish we had more time to talk

about how torque affects the body, but that is the magic of what we do. The untalking, well, I mean, that was, you know, that was the buzzword. If I was to take a word away from the the session that we'd had, it would have been on talking. And, you know, the spiral down, there's a cool YouTube video that I will make sure that Dean overlays in YouTube, and I will put in a show note below where a guy pops a flower in a funnel, and he's next to the equator, have you seen this?

Yes, yeah, yeah. So he pops it in on one side, and it spins one way, and he pops it in on the other side, and it spins the other one side and it spins one way and he pops it on the other side And it spins the other way and then he walks to this line on the floor and put it on it and pops the water and it falls straight down our bodies are I'm not sure what percentage water, but I know that it's a lot 75 75% water there we go Thank you. That's why I've got you here Gary. You're just an assistant to to deliver me fact about water and and you know, does it sound ridiculous that our bodies would be subject to that as well?

Well, I mean, we're not constantly draining. But, you know, think about this way. I say this all the time to people. We're 75% water. So we're basically, we're in aquarium with legs. And if you, in your start, you know, I like to take these wild extreme comparisons to either show how right or how wrong things are. So basically, every law that governs water on the planet Earth governs the entire inside

of your body. And the fact that we think that physics and engineering and natural laws of nature that we should be different is the problem. We're on the top of the food chain, we're the best in the universe, we grew up thinking we're alone, and no one else in this whole 14.5 billion year universe that goes out hundreds of billions of light years. No one else could be alive. I mean, just think about how ignorant we are when we say

stuff like that. Well, on a to segue on that, I recently did a podcast with Adam Frank, who wrote a book and recently did publish the paper on exactly that, what the likelihood is of us being alone in the universe. Actually, if you just want to go to just go to NASA's website and you'll see it all leaking out with UCLA, they just did a report and they said, no, actually, even in our own solar system, there are thousands of planets in our solar system that have to have lights. I mean, they're really reversing the thought process. It's just, it's just when you've stuck to a parting line for, you know, for like a hundred years and then you find new evidence, you don't want to tack, tack, let's so quick because.

And do you mean in our galaxy or in our solar system? No, I'm sorry, in our solar system, in our galaxy, they're just saying life is everywhere. And this is all new stuff, NASA has been releasing over the last 24 months, and it's not big press release as you did look because they're required to release. So they actually, the UCLA NASA report just said that the entire universe is teaming with life. Okay. Well, I mean, Adam Frank will be very happy to hear that. So I want to cover two more topics before we finish up. So first off, I want to talk about how you think that strength and conditioning

compliment what you're doing or how they fit into what it is that you guys are doing. We've discussed the body repatten's movements and moves itself around pain. To me, it would feel, if someone's had pain for an awful long time and has reprogrammed bad movement patterns, it seems difficult to believe that they would be able to be repatient in the space of one hour.

Does that make sense? Yeah, fair enough. So there's structural. So the balance is the energy that my body uses to stand against gravity. And then there's movement. Movement is where those patterns come in. And if you don't rehabilitate motion or movement afterwards, then we are basically, our bodies are a collection of everything that we have done to date. Whether it's movement, whether it's food, whether it's drugs, whether it's psychological emotional issues, our body is the scoreboard for everything. And if you could think maybe we could do scoreboard for everything. And if you could think, maybe we could do one thing for the listeners.

If you could take and put your hands on your knees, so your thumbs are on the inside. So thumbs are on the inside. I'm doing it now. I'm doing it now. OK, so turn from your thumb on your one side. You right knee, turn your thumb towards your little finger. So you're turning away from the center of your body. And initially, and within seconds, you're going to feel

your arch tighten up. You're going to feel your quad, your lateralis tighten up, your glute tighten up, and all the up into the back. Do you get any of that Chris? I think, well, I've got sweaty hands at the moment, but yeah, yeah. Okay, so basically what that is is applying a little bit of lateral pork in the knee and then all these muscles, two lateralis, the gastrox, the medial arch, my periformis all tighten up immediately. If you turn it the other way so that the little fingers are coming to the thumbs and you hold that within seconds, your back will release, your quad's will release,

your legs will release. And that's a side example, by the way, that we have a home care program, we're gonna be out in about two months, we're partnering with Gwyneth Paltrow and we're putting it out to the world for free. And you're partnering with Gwyneth Paltrow for a home care program.

Yeah, that is a really, really big name to have behind a home care program. I is a really big name to have behind a home care program. I mean, it's not one that I would have immediately, I guess, is Guinness, Paltrow, into a wellness and stuff like that? Yeah, she's a platform out here called GoopGOOP. Okay. What's on the name? It's not a sound really nice to do. But so what does Goop do? It's a health and wellness platform, but it's for people that are moving towards health and wellness. It's not, it's not, it's not the sound right now, it's the, but, um, so what is Gupta? Uh, there, it's a health and wellness platform, but it's for people that are moving towards health and wellness. It's not the same kind of people that we're talking about who are into fitness nutrition, who can repeat, repeat to you what they're, you know, why they're taking a microbiome test and stuff like this. These are more, it says a broader base of people.

Yeah. But it has a big reach. It has roughly about 50 million people on the reach. And so what we're doing is a home care program, which is in 15 to 20 minutes, you can reduce your own tension of pain in your body by up to 75%. The reason why we're doing that, and the reason I did that with your knees, that's one of the home care activities. And the reason why we're releasing this in this way is that Part of the time that we're rolling out and stretching tight muscles when it's really just the torque in a joint and if we remove the torque out of the joint the muscles automatically relax I'll send it over to you Chris, but I'll send I was working with for those guys football fans, but different football I'll hear we have a American football we have the filiboffing the Philadelphia Eagles and Hello T-Nata.

He's a 345 pound linebacker. And he's been there a league for 16 years, I think. He's one of those guys that walks really slow from the car to the place. And it doesn't move that fast, right? It's a linebacker. He's 345 pounds. I'm surprised he can get out of the car.

He's a big old boy. Big boy, yeah. So we did the torque work on him and Without any warm-up he just ran he ran the 40 ran it eight times he ran it as fast as when as the day equal five in the lake and we did no other form of therapy to him We just removed what was stopping him from performing. So my basic belief is this, is that the body and the muscles are designed to do a job and the job that they're designed to do,

if you remove the restrictions, it'll do it. And so we spend all these time trying to get like my glute to fire harder or whatever, remove the torque from the muscles and the body will perform accordingly. So this goes back to your, one of the first principles that you mentioned, which is that you believe that the body, the body knows what it wants to do and the body is able to fix itself,

but sometimes there's inhibitions and these roadblocks that get in the way. And those are manifesting themselves in the fascia mostly. In the joints, in the fascia, in the joints. In the fascia, in the joints mostly. And the one of the remedies to that is untalking. Yeah, and if you untalk the muscles, then you get to see what's really happening, because like when we did the knee,

you felt the couple muscles starting to tighten up. Well, if you hold that there for 30 minutes, you're going to want to take a roller, roll out that muscle. But if you just have to turn the knee and provide a counter-t counter torque and that all goes away by itself, then the rolling of the muscle was actually an ill-effective action. It was actually creating damage to the body or attention the body didn't need to have. And that's part of the issue.

So what we've done with our athletes is they stretch between 75% and 90% less once their bodies are untorched and they have a basic untorking pattern for themselves. And the little things like this is like running pro athletes without warming up and not suggesting you do that. But knowing what we're doing and taking a pro athlete who doesn't run and he's running his fastest time in 16 years just by taking the torque out of the joints. I mean, it sounds some of the results, some of the claims are, they're unbelievable. Yeah, and the cool part about it is is that's because they're all true.

Yeah. It's that's a basic, when you base our therapy, what you said earlier about skeptical, yeah, you could be skeptical about it, but you can't argue with the results. That's you can argue with why you got them. That's the bottom line. Hey, so I wanted to finish off. I know that there will be some healthcare practitioners and also some soft tissue workers, chiropractors or the physiotherapists and other people who work with people close to the one a daily basis. A lot of my co-hosts on this are in the medical profession as well. And we had a really interesting discussion

when you laid me down on a bed that had crystals underneath it. And I just wanted you to try and retell or try and retell one of the stories that you had to do with the way that people who are practicing on patients can sometimes have a, they can have a bad time due to, due to the way that the patients are feeling.

Yeah, I just wanted to hear that, because I was fascinated by that. Sure, I mean, look at, you walk into a room, somebody walks into a room, they're really angry, you can feel it. Sometimes it's like that, like a friend walks in there or a wife or a girlfriend walks in the room, you did something wrong, you feel it. You know, sometimes it's like that like a friend walks in or a wife or a girlfriend walks in the room, you did something wrong, you feel it. So, energy is transferred and energy is transferred and collected. And there's like, there's just so much science to prove

that's true to even ignore, to say that it doesn't, is not right anymore. And so what happens is the body collects and holds on to the energy from people. And so what we've done is we use a lot of techniques, we just don't say the things. They say crystals on the table, I showed you that. That's a little trade secret. We use quartz crystals organized around the table in a very specific fashion to create a net result. And one of them is decompression, and decompression, and what causes compression is trauma or torque. Same thing. So what we compression is trauma or torque. Same thing. So what we do is as we started putting the crystals on the table as a client's

treatment, we'd speed up by twice and the practitioners could do three to five times more work without feeling the fatigue they would normally feel. And it's basically, again, it's just using something that doesn't sound like it's credible, so we just don't make a big deal out of it. We just do it because it works. That's interesting. I think there's definitely an implication, no matter whether you think that the solution

is quartz crystals on a bed or mindfulness practice or sitting with your thoughts or yoga or anything, I think that there is definitely an implication for healthcare professionals that by one system or another, whether it's socially, psychologically, as you're discussing the mechanism that this particular energy works on, I do think that it's an important thing for them to keep in mind, that they are dealing with people that are sick and unwell all the time.

Yeah, absolutely. And there's a lot of stuff that goes along with that. I mean, I used to get sick going home and I was like, I didn't put hands on people until just a little bit lower under 10 years ago. And I didn't, wasn't prepared for what would happen when you have, when you're working with sick and frustrated and people that have through horrible abuse, it isn't sexual abuse and physical abuse and all kinds of injuries and stuff like that. That stuff is pretty thick and pretty heavy. And having a mechanism to clear it is really important.

If you're a practitioner and you don't have a daily routine or routine to clear that stuff, eventually it adds up. And what we're doing is we see practitioners who have been 20, 25, 30 years working with people like that and we're cleaning up that mess now. It's best that people if you don't have a routine to learn one and a lot of the stuff that we use, Chris, over the next, between now and Q1 next year, we'll be publishing a lot of it. I was literally just, I was literally just about to say so obviously you're talking about the home therapy that you'd be doing, which is typically more for patients,

for practitioners. Will there be any resources that they'll be able to tap into which will assist them? Yeah, a couple of things. Again, if it works at home, it usually works in our practitioner environment. So yeah, how we organize crystals around the table and different effects, including decompression charging,

the body, and energize for both male and female. There's also, for the first time ever in the history of the garage, we're going to be doing outward certification starting in about three months. And we're going to be training torque mechanics. And our intention is to use torque mechanics work really well with chiropractic offices. Because the body often, despite when

it's been torqued for a long time, it gets untorked. It needs to be adjusted. And so we're going to be certifying torque mechanics out because the one thing that we have is we have people from all over the world trying to get in. The one thing that we're short on is people to deliver care.

So we're going to take the care on the road. Instead of just trying to build a bunch of human garages, we're just going to start training people how to help people as quick as we can. You'd mentioned that before. Is that going to be franchising or licensing or how's that going to work? Yeah, so the general mode out, general mode is that people that are registered torque mechanics will get leads from us because we have a layer of a plethora of leads coming in. I was going to say and you're not going to be sure on lead generation, right? No, no, that's not going to be a problem. As a matter of fact, that's part of the reason why we took down our website years ago.

It's just that you have to you have to have some sort of control in the flow. And now we want to open it up and give people, like literally, if you're a chiropractor out there and you want to do this work, you'll be able to do portions of this work by having two torque mechanics work with you. And what our chiropractors will tell you is that they have a 75% reduction of force in the adjustment, and the adjustment lasts three to five times longer when you take the torque out of the body. Wow. I mean, I think over the coming weeks and coming months, I'll definitely be posting a lot

more of your stuff. I think there'll be a lot of people that will be interested in it. Can you tell the listeners at home, there will be some people that I know that are listening in LA and not too far from you? Can you tell them where they can find you first online and then where the practices? Sure. Yeah, we're in Marina Del Rey on beach Avenue right down in the heart of Vanessa Marina Del Rey. You can get us a human garage.net and if they are coming off your podcast if they put your name in the referral bar

They're not gonna get in right away, but they going to jump to the headline. We take care of our clients, the referrals, our media partners first, and their referrals, and then we go off to everybody else after that. So they put your name into our wait list. What we'll do is we'll move them to the front of the wait list. That's fantastic. Thank you.

I really appreciate that, Gary. So if you're listening at home, modern wisdom, when you do your referral or Quote Chris Williamson yourself. I wanted to say as well Gary. I've actually got the Guys behind essential oil coming on soon essential oil wizardry Yo, you got Dr. Nick man. He is my favorite doctor Nick is especially human being And there are not there are no oils anywhere in the world like his. We have searched the entire world and that's why we partnered with

essential oil. I know. So I heard him on Ben Greenfield and I really wanted to get a hold of him after I tried to listen to him. It's another, you know, from a similar kind of school as he sells, it's the sort of thing which does sound contrary and it sounds different, but bottom line results are interesting and I think it's worthy of further investigation. Well, the British Medical Journal reported on MRSA, seven clients who use Manuka Honey and terminal clients for MRSA and use Manuka Honey to clear it. And the other part too is the other than the American-American drill, they have lots of references to essential oils frequency, that there's not a bacteria in the world

that is resistant to essential oils. So that's one you can put in your back pocket news. Those are some unbelievable sort of stats there. That's the British Medical Journal talking about Manuka honey and bacteria resistance to aromatherapy oils, right? Yeah, it's pretty incredible. They had seven patients that we had lesions.

They were going to die from MRSA. And at this point, they got nothing left to try whatever. So they used Manuka, honey, all seven of them left. And there's a whole bunch of things like that coming. Just watch over the next couple of years. What we think is what we've been told and what we think about how the body works, just not that way. And I just encourage people to have an open mind and just invest to give a little bit more.

And keep asking the question, why? I was going to say, do you feel like this is the beginning of the crest of a wave towards a new direction for wellness and for the way that the medical world loves fixing people? Absolutely. We are on the forefront. the medical world loves fixing people. Absolutely. We are on the forefront. We are breaking new science, new frontiers, every single day here.

And if we're doing it here, there's other people doing it all over the world. We just don't know about them yet. Maybe we're in a better spot. We get a bit more media here. But whoever you are out there, if you're actually changing the world and doing things that are going to actually benefit the world, just keep doing it and don't listen to people.

Well, hopefully we'll have contacted some of them and they'll have a kindred spirit with yourself on the other side of the internet. So Gary, I really appreciate your time. I loved my time when I came out to come and see you. I'm hopefully going to be back in LA not very soon and I can't wait to come back and see you again. For sure, absolutely. Chris.

It's been a blast. Thank you, man. Thank you, take care. Bye bye. Bye bye. you