Modern Wisdom - #062 - Catch Up 102 - Rome, Greggs & Flat Earth

Episode Date: April 8, 2019

Jonny & Yusef from PropaneFitness.com join me again as we continue our Catch Up series. No agenda, no specific topics for us to cover, just us talking about what we've been watching, reading & experiencing in our lives. This week we're talking about my holiday to Rome, Yusef's disaster in Greggs, Jonny nearly being abducted, Flat Earth and lots more. Extra Stuff: https://propanefitness.com/ Check out everything I recommend from books to products and help support the podcast at no extra cost to you by shopping through this link - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi friends, I hope you are well and are fully strapped in for today's episode as me, Johnny and Yusuf deliver catch up one oh two. The first episode went down fantastically and it's nice to have the opportunity to just talk about whatever we want to without an agenda, without a topic and get a little bit more of our lives across as I know a lot of you are interested in that. So today we are learning about UCI's bad experience at Greg's with his brother. Johnny Neely being abducted by a man in World White Car, my holiday to Rome. What else we learned about flat earth and the recent flat earth documentary that's gone out, going to get to hear our thoughts on that. Whether I'm not

Elon Musk is a press genius or just someone who looks a bit awkward on camera. And I don't know if a lot more. Coming up soon, I've got James Clear, author of Atomic Habits, Professor David Sinclair, one of Time Magazine's top 50 influential health professionals in the world. The guys from Inside Tracker, three episodes with the guys from Social Chain, Rachel Kleinfeld on the state of the global government and there's so many episodes. I was going to ask for feedback about how the Monday Thursday podcast publishing split was going, but you just can have to put up with it because I

have too much stuff to get out. So I hope you're enjoying it and as always, if you have any feedback at Chris WillX on all social media, but for now, please welcome Johnny and Yusif. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Johnny and Yusuf from propanefitmas.com are here again. Catch up one or two. It went so well last time that we're going to do another one. Just talking about whatever the food is going on. The first thing, which is going going on is for the listeners at home

who aren't watching on YouTube you are missing out my belated birthday present is a dawn across my chest and it is this lovely soaring t-shirt you like the sun be plainer s of plate plain it's a soaring t-shirt it's got logo from the soaring on it's a soaring t-shirt. It's got a logo from the soaring. That's it. Error plane. Yeah. No man to do with it. Because it's a plain soaring.

It's not the chocolate one or the... It's an art one, I don't know. It's a same color logo. It's not. It's the same color. It's the same color. That is the plain soaring. For anyone that doesn't understand this,

Chris's idea of a pre-meal snack is an entire sorein malt loaf of extremely dense, it's like the closest thing in food terms to a brick and a kilo of yoghurt. Did you build a house out of sorein? Oh yeah, easily. You need to wait for them to air, right? And then you know they get a bit hard. It'd be so weatherproof though, like it would stand all weather. So that means it's a cake, not a biscuit. Okay, it's a cake to go suck. It's a hard, it's a hard stuff.

So there's a story that every forensic accountant loves to tell because it's the only... Jaffa cakes. Yeah. Can you relay that? God, I've probably got it wrong. So you charge that on biscuits, but not cakes because biscuits are seen as a luxury item. Cakes aren't because birthday cakes and necessity because of the queen. Something to do.

I think because cakes used to be made from left over necessity foods, okay, whereas biscuits aren't. I think this is right. I'm so sorry if it's wrong. This is just some like, not effective time gone by. Well, it's just the way that the foods are classified. So biscuits, cakes are, as fors are gonna be like, ah, Johnny, Johnny, do not. So, jaffa cakes were like, where a cake mate, like don't, we don't pay VAT.

Fuck on me, yeah. And then they were subject to the biscuit cake test, which was the biscuits go soft. Soft, soft. When left, they go hard. And what do they do? They go hard. So if you can develop a biscuit that goes hard, well, yeah, I'm gonna biscuit.

No, if you can develop a biscuit, which gets harder. Then you've ruined it. What you've got there? What you've got there, Chris, is it cake? But by that logic, if you can have something which has the texture of a biscuit, but then goes, you have essentially a cake masquerading as a biscuit. Well, this is why jaffa cakes allow themselves to be to evade the need to be tapped up. I just find it tiny little bit of my birthday cake on my nose there. On my nose, yeah, I must have got it.

Oh, I saw that. Just, just, just, no one decided to sorry. More than five. There's another, that, that banter. Great banter. Your brother, did he try and ask for a bit of pizza heated up in great? Oh yeah, he didn't have heat it up because it's beautiful.

Oh wow. So I remember we're not sure of the reason. I'm guessing that's what I was about. I was driving my brother to the gym. And that's sometimes I have to take care of him. He's 44. So I was like, right, before we go to the gym, are you hungry? He's like, I'm starving. Okay, let's just pull into the gregs, went in, and he was like, and this

is him having a real problem, because he's wrestling with the moralistic attempt to try and be halal, and the fact that he's surrounded by sausage. That's a round of us, I should say. So I was like, look, you should get the steak and cheese roll. It's fantastic. He was like, I'm like, you're trying to be halal on you. And he was like, yeah, if I can, who's the way you say halal? Hello, it's like a French person saying,

what's the, how do you say? Good to sack. Um, halal. Go to that call, do sack and just cross-sond. The croissants. Halal, that's it? Halal. Halal. Halal. I'm still anglocizing it, but anyway, Chris and I should learn to try and correct the pronounce. Your good with the shot tougher and I rock and I rock. I've got a song and he's clumsy.

I've got a stand. It's a shit-happer. Anyway, sorry. So he was like, okay, can I have one of those veg roll thing, the veg pastries, and they were like, oh, I haven't got any left. And we were like, okay, can I have the four cheese pizza? No, there isn't any. Okay, can I have that bit of pizza, but can I have it hot? No, wait, we're kind of heating up. I was like, why not, can you

just, is it hot? No. What can you just, can you not heat it up? I was like, look, the steak and cheese rolls are hot. It's like, look, can you just heat it? Is it no, it's health and safety? And it's like, look, I you just hear it? Is it Norway's health and safety? And he's like, look, I don't care about health and safety. Can you just hear it? I just want to have a hot bit of pizza. And then it's like, right, give me a toffee yum yum and two chocolate eclairs.

And so he's then had to go on to the render this kind of. Yeah, so he's had to have his feet. And all of a sudden, well, it's not Haram, but like. He's not. Haram. Haram but like Even that Haram Haram This is this Halam Haram

Haram and Makro So my god What's the middle one? It's Makro It's gonna be this is It's gonna be Makro Ah don't worry I'm gonna be it's Makro

It's like Makro What is Makro? It's like... Tax evasion rod... Tax avoidance. So it's a sausage. Once was in the farm with a pig, but isn't a pig. Yeah, it's fine.

Just forbidden. Very botan in Germany. The botan. The biggest verb, bottom. It's one's dubious. You are forbidden. All right. No, pork is bad.

So he's then in the car stuffing in three creamy chocolatey treats that he really didn't want because they're fifth choice down because he'd scuppet himself into having basically I'm hungry but I have three constraints. I wanted to be from Greg's hot and bitter and that's bitter, bitter bitter. So the same Greg's apparently has this like because it's on quite a rough street, it's on the shield's road. Apparently there's a guy that comes in and this guy ran in and took a tray of pastries and just ran out and all the staff just went, not as if like, oh, I'm not getting it. It was like, this is a frequent occurrence.

You know they need security. Yeah. But then is it worth paying the security know they need security. Yeah, but then Is it worth the paying the security man? Yeah, we're a security guys hourly What's the total cost of production of that string rate of like four by six? It might because they're cost what 80p to a pound each so yeah, even if there's 20 RRP RRP. RRP. RRP. Can we talk about the time when... Can I tell my story? Oh yes.

This is a great story. Yes. Okay, so today, or a while ago in podcast land? Yeah. I was walking from my car to cost a coffee. I won't say where. Okay, so anyone tries to follow me. But somewhere in your castle. from my car to cost a coffee. I won't say where, okay, so anyone tries to follow me, but somewhere in your castle. And as I'm walking, this can kind of give it a little bit.

So I'm walking past an EE shop, EE phone shop, right? I'm sounding at the door of the EE phone shop is a fairly well-muscled man looking frustrated because EE isn't open yet, right? So I noticed this AirPods in actually listening to catch up one of ones. This is very meta here. And I saw him see me and then just like missile lock on me and follow me along. And I noticed he like, like like side-eye him. Side-eye him again, still doing it. Because I didn't get started on the petrol station at that time. So I'm just always, you know,

whatever I'm around cars, then see him turn around and run back towards a white van. Okay, walk into Costa, order my D-Cuff, of course, coffee, see him then run back towards Costa, come into Costa and as he comes round the door, I notice he's got a handful of protein bars, I'm like, okay, he's got a T-shirt that says O-Team on it. I was like, oh, no. Like if this guy's coming to attack me, this is a very convoluted way to overtack someone. So he's like, Hi May, listen to the podcast, etc. All these nice things.

I love this. Family with Rodin, Wisdom, etc. Got talking about the protein bars that he was giving me to try and things like this. And then he said, actually, your mate, your business partner, the guy with a beard, I was putting a leaflet, promotion leaflet through his door. I mean, you sat in the window and he got up and he banged on the window and went, what are you doing mate?

Did this actually happen? Yeah. Do you know what? I feel like when I'm side on my desk, I'm having to like... Defend. War dog. So quite often people bring that dog into the little bit from my front door and try to just have to pick it up.

No, really. Because of the dog, I'm like... Poo that dog. Yeah, it's like, even if they pick it up, there's still bits of residual flow to. So I just loved how long-winded that experience was for me for a school. You probably haven't happened. So the reason that this has occurred is because on your letterbox, you have a statement. No junk mail. The guys reply laws, he just shouldn't live in a student area, it wouldn't happen. That's equivalent to she shouldn't have been wearing that. He's encouraging rape culture and I think that's her reprehensible, not not really.

Thank you for the attempt at the O-team bar. Sorry for any offense caused. So he went to say that part of the reason why he now has a bar-based strategy rather than the leaflet bar is a much better strategy? The space strategy because of experience is like that. Mate, if you had a bar and you approached the door, a bar, then I'd have to hide open arms, I'd be.

You don't have to amnast riskisk now that's like except for you get no junk made items of value are accepted yeah minimum minimum cash value equals 25 pens or above so you would accept anything with a cash value wouldn't you no because just pay by the cash value yeah and then you end up with a bunch of all about anything that the cash value over a quid because the ballake of trying to find a market liquidity for that and Salette is a problem. Well, I love about your story is the instant wearing the T-shirt as well, as I, yeah, because pretty much, maybe you need to amid beat up Johnny Snack. Yeah, that's smart.

So I mean, what got energized, man, who's had, he's been fueled with his own. I just wanted to talk. Yeah, exactly. He's had a college, yeah. I thought that your initial concern was going to be that you might be abducted and put into the white van.

But I challenge anyone out there to move you to anywhere that you don't want to be. Because you are... Especially in the white stance. Yeah. There's just nothing. That's so braced. I think about if I was just lay there and you tried to move me. But I think if I, if I'm trying to stop him from moving me, it's... Even this? it's certainly not going to be easy for him. No, not at all. Because I hadn't had my coffee yet either.

I'd ordered the coffee I paid for coffee and hadn't had it yet. So he tries to take me away then. Did he give you an old team bar in a coffee shop that sells essentially old team bars like flapjackets? Yeah. And the woman was sort of like trying to complete the transaction with me. I was dealing with Mr. O'Connor. Mediating. Nice guy. Nice to give us stuff. This is a list of podcasts.

Probably listen to this. Fantastic. Shall we? So give us some O'Connor team bars. You wanted you to promote it. So I didn't know what your affiliations were. Yeah. So I don't get involved in this.

The problem is that anyone who's had an O'Con O team bar knows why they're doing this much promo. So he's just like anti-progo there. Sorry about that. Well look, I'm getting it balanced. So I actually, and I'm not a promise, I'm not affiliated anyway, I was actually quite impressed. Okay. I had a brownie and a protein bar. I was quite impressed. I know not have tried the best. From Whitney Bay. I've never had them, can't comment, but there might be a wrong. Yeah, if they're pig flavor, put them.

Well, it can be pig flavor. That's okay. That's true. Smoky bacon flavor crisps are totally hung up, but. There it is again. She's an onion apparently, not. didn't didn't used to be they used animal rennet in them Rennet like the scooping from the stomach of An animal of a cow hang on so Scooping but the cow was the cows on eat grass. Yeah, and the grass is fine. That's happened So I'm gonna give an analogy

So that is it like hydrolyzed work? I mean driving your car is totally natural because the oil, the petrol is from the oil, which is from the oil, which is from the rocks and trees. Well, no, because he's cars are on trees. So, well the hippies are worried about it. So the, the, the rennet is not hello Because the cows are Yeah, the cows alive

Well, they have to kill the cow Like an ice cream It was a halal cow Turns upside down cut this throat then ran Then you get the rennet fantastic. I went to Rome. Yeah. You didn't use the road when in Rome. I didn't do it once. I didn't use the road. While he was there, make sure you use the phrase for free opportunity. Well, when in Rome, didn't use the road. Would would would your company have understood the reference? No, that's not really complex reference. I suddenly, I suddenly people probably don't understand the reference.

Yeah, they only have when in Reykjavik, when eating cropp. Yeah, exactly when having skir. Skir, I say it. I don't know. Can you please just divert for a second to work out how the fuck a company managed to own the word skir in the UK. It's amazing. Aloe.

Aloe. O-o-o-one. Skier. And it's shaped compared to actual skier. From my side. How anime do they go about that? Anyone who doesn't know what skier is, it's like very thick yoghurt. And Chris is more than that.

It is more than yoghurt. I've done it in the service, I apologise. But yeah, I went to Rome and to anyone who's considering going in hasn't been, it's fucking mint. So good. Like just sensory overload. Couldn't, there was, I don't have enough mental RAM to be able to take in all of the stuff that was going on.

I'll send video guide Dean some photos so that you can see some of the cool shit that I saw. Did you have a cappuccino? I had shit loads of coffee. We were up better than you thought, same as? So this was a bad bit of the experience. So I decided that I was going to go as phone free as possible for the entirety of the trip. So a phone didn't go out with me on any of the trips other people had like fun,

so whatever, recording shit. And yeah, left my phone home and I decided as well when I got off the train that I was going to find my way to the hotel, like old school style. I was the first one to get to the hotel. So I didn't, I was like, oh, I can take as long as I want. Walk the wrong direction immediately straight out of the train station. I got off on the wrong direction immediately, straight out of the train station.

Got off on the wrong side of the platform, walk the wrong way. No, I'm like, oh my God. It was bad stuff. And then I was like, I'm a little bit tired, early flight. So I was like, I'll get myself in a espresso. And I'm just like totally blown away by these high stone street old, old, like, it's how they build it. I'm Italian coffee.

Well, that comes to this next bit. So I ordered this coffee, going to this little cafe bar think pretty cool. Order a espresso, one euro. Wow. One euro for an espresso. So like what, 85 P per hour something like that? I was like, I am going to really enjoy it here.

85 P for an espresso. And I'm just looking out the window, because I can see the top of some pita's basilica, the cysteine chapel and all that sort of bollocks over the far side. And I've put a small amount of sugar in just a sweetener. And I'm just like stirring as I'm looking out the window, stirring, stirring away, still stirring, looking out the window, looking back down.

And I have managed to get all of the espresso out of the cup and onto the counter. It was just on the top of the counter. It's on some of the sandwiches that were behind the counter. It's on the front of the slanted front of the glass counter, now dribbling down towards my leg. Oh my God.

And the owner, who was over the far side and the waitress. I was like, man's my knee. They were just looking at me. No one warned me. No one warned me that as I was doing this I was just sloshing most aghast. Just to believe it. And then the owner actually just put his head in his hand and just went like,

Oh, grease, grease, grease. Oh, that's Italian furious, right? Yeah, he's going to cause so angry. So angry. So silly and mad. And then I saw a man, I saw a man who said, it was about 2, 13 the afternoon. So a man come in, order a large glass of red wine, say, Grazzi, to the people that were in there, down it, walk out.

So again, Italians don't have a lot of fucking minutes like this during the week. On a Thursday, Thursday, two in the afternoon. We should live in the wrong place. We should live in the wrong country. Because that's what it is. Did we talk about this last time, were you walking under like a Marks and Spencer

on a Tuesday morning and like, there's loads of people there. So I think if you walk into it, whatever the equivalent is in Rome, everyone's just sloshy and pin paninis. So it was a very expensive pastry. Lots of pastries. So there's the big, the three peas, big, big three peas, pizza, pasta, pastries, like the penis. No penis. No penis, no poo. No, neither. Thankfully, although there may be, we need to do a stool sample. But the one thing that I wasn't aware of,

like, prepared for was the assault of gluten. It is unrelenting. Everything is carbs. Like, you think that you're actually having chicken, but it's just like chicken-shaped dough. But they make it nicer by just putting fat and garlic on everything, don't they? It's bread, fat and garlic. That's just Italy.

You want to a plate? Yeah, I'm a coffee. You want to a place near Cerenzo down on the Amolfinicostus down from Pompeii, which is a Sunday, beautiful drive. And went to a pizzeria where you buy pizza by the meter. Oh my god. Those places are legit. So they bring in white... a pizza rear where you buy pizza by the meter. Oh my God. Those places are legit.

So they bring in what I swear. No, so it's what I can only describe as a stretcher. So this guy has a three meter long flat bit of wood. Some guy feeds it in from behind and there's all scaffolding. If you can imagine that it's like clumping down and there's scaffolding and to get slid towards it Then he gets like some of the flower throws it on rubbed it in get some of the dough Like whizzes it round plonks it on and then just to segment where

One flavor of the pizza finishes in another one begins. Just add some more dough Rolls up some dough strings it on like create a little barrier, little bread barrier, and then throw some toppings on that, bit of some toppings on that, bit of highs it in the oven. And then it comes out. And if you're eating from end to end, you and the other person have to shout to speak to each other because you're fucking miles apart. Wow.

But the man, it was like unbelievable, like very, very impressive place. And like nine euros for Peter and 10 euros for pasta. So I went to Rome, I think two years ago and Venice a year ago, Rome, brilliant, Venice, just two of isn't it? It's like dirty. Yeah, really disappointing, Venice, I thought. I want to go to Florence with my mom later this year. That's like dirty. Yeah, really disappointing, but I thought, I want to go to Florence with my mum this year. That's like the other big Italy one.

How are there, I went there like 10 years ago, long time ago, that's nice. No, Italy's nice. You don't have any mum, how do you? No, so, someone suggested, was it, a life like that? The most... Johnny's gun.

Johnny's gun. It's like you want to train. Did you agree with that question, Chris? It was honestly artistic. I can't believe. You want to train if someone took or the half of it? No biggie reaction to it as well. It was no shock.

You know, you know, I mean, no. Brilliant. Yeah, so me and Daniel Slasfer talking about our individual strategies for how There was no shark, you know, no, no, brilliant. Yeah, so me and Daniel Slasper talking about our individual strategies for how we ain't just had shave down there. Okay. And we came up with the shame squat, which is pretty correct. Also a biomechanically very good position to put in as well.

Deadwell and King King is thinking. Right. Right. Right. 100%. biomechanically very good position to poo in as well. That was king king, that's right. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 100%. This is a product called the squatty potty, which, yeah, if you struggle with poo's, you can buy it. It fits in a U shape around your toilet and you basically allows you to sit in a squat position. What is the difference between that and what five-year-old do you use to help them reach the toilet?

Oh, it's the same, but because five, you can buy one and then. But because five-year-olds, they're smaller, their hips are in need to be more extension. You should be in front of you. You couldn't be. No, my point is that a five-year- up to weave forward. But so that's just a little step in front of the toilet. Okay. So you need to be able to go now. You need to be able to squat into pregnancy pillow, but around the toilet. It do. Yeah. You need to be able to squat now.

You can maybe even use your pregnancy pillow to double up. Wouldn't recommend it. I'm going to talk about my upgraded pregnancy pillow. Yeah. so Daniels lost episode James Scott shaving bumhole, Nether regions. How do we get another? I know. He hasn't got me bummed. We're talking about recent barometer and then suddenly hang on, hang on, we're, I've got a trajectory here. Hold on. Hold on. How long have you not had a bad mouthful? It probably years. No, recently how long has it been very, very, very... Oh, cutely.

Four days. So it's timely. This is a timely topic. Yeah, okay. And did you do it with the raise? Wait, wait, you're jumping your head, stop it. Stop it. You're ruining it.

Me and Daniel Soss, shame squat. We said that you have to work yourself up because anyone who's ever used an electric razor, like even a normal, normal electric razor down there, like your scrotum is a, it's corrugated crinkly. It's, it's a, the fact that it's crinkly, like it's just built to get nicked by stuff and fuck, like it's so painful. And when it happens and what do you do? Do you stop? Do you keep going? You're like, I've done half of it. Like I can, Alan Shira before he accepted that he was going bald. Alan made, honestly, what's this? The island. I mean, yeah, that just that. And so, and you so we posted it, I've talked about this online,

someone tweeted me and said, Daniel, you just shaved, Daniel just shaved, same as me, shames got. And someone tweeted and said, at Daniel at Chris, Gives up all famichers, Vite sensitive hair removal cream, I mentioned it once to use it. We went to the sauna on Sunday and he said, yeah, so next aster order online, fully recommended, never go back to a supermarket again, never have to buy the sensitive in front of other people, just talk about it online. So all of those people have free unlimited access to it. Yeah. But I would highly recommend for anyone, for health hygiene, speed, if you're, you know, speed swimmer, speed runner,

I have what, the aerodynamic efficiency. Exactly. Just the aerosquare. And just general quality of life. So was it, was there any, how's the discomfort? Because there's a tiny little none whatsoever. So imagine it. That's in my mind. So it as, yeah, I think it's important to get the feet sensitive. I've not tried the feet normal, so I can't be pro.

Yeah. But last time we were talking about listering and about the original. I actually quite like the lististerine that makes me go like, I don't think that the same can be said for being woken up by bum rush. Yeah. Well, I mean, as they say on the packet, you should test on a inocuous bit of skin first. Make sure there's no allergy. Make sure there's no inocuous bit of skin you show. I didn't. Because I've used other, I've used previous hardcore V before.

So, but, but you're right, like I could have changed the formula. I don't know. That's the, probably, probably very, is perfumed. And so, if you don't know what we're talking about, read a recent article on propane about BPA in East Rgins in the environment, terrifying

article, basically were being poisoned left right in centre. Well, I mean, you would never need feet, would you? Because you are completely hairless. Hello, the bottom lip. From the bottom lip. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I am, I think fortunate. I mean, credit to much too much.

Like, I'm fortunate. You're very hairy, aren't you? Yeah, but not for an Arab. In my family, I'm the least hairy. My brother, you know the horrible bits of hair that you get? Like, come in the back. Yeah. Hit that's just continuous with his back.

And then he's in Greg's and the guy in Greg is like, why do you wash up your hairy back? And he's like, look, he's actually done that. He's a hard-knit pizza. Yeah. Man, so... What have we been watching on Netflix recently? We've started talking about something.

Ah! Ah! Here we go. Flat Earth. Flat Earth. Did you watch it? And you seem so stupid. You fucking said that you hadn't watched anything.

Well, that was, yeah, it was back when we'd done that. Oh, it's OK. And we're in the magical... Tiredly. Yeah, yeah, that. Oh, it's okay. And this is where in the magical time. Oh, it does that here, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, for you to go to Flat Earth. Believe the dome or something, leave the dome. I was keen to become the Flat Earth, but I was like, I'm really willing

to do this sort of thing you would believe in. Like so, critically, I'm ready to, like to peel apart all of my beliefs and be like, right, is there a convincing argument? But the problem is, it's like having... It's like, what? It's like, what? You don't want it where they're like, when or where in your life, are you a flat earther? The first thing I thought of was your every, every week for 12 weeks when you went to that room and left the world all the one with all the main room.

Oh, yeah, I'm the one with all the main room. So that's, if anything, more extreme. I'm going under the water for an hour, like these things. So what, but the problem is, so the difference is, I am an evidence-based person. And so in, when there is evidence to pro or contrary to, to a belief, I will adjust by,

I'll happily shift on a dime. These flat earthes shift on a dime to twist reality to match the belief. And there's a really, really interesting clip from it, I think you both both seen where they do this special test, where they shine a pinhole of light through a sheet with a hole in and then 300 meters away, they have another guy receiving the light. And based on angle that determines whether if the earth was flat they would be able to see it at the horizontal angle and if it's not it would go up slightly. And so they tested it and it showed that the earth was curved or it showed a curvature. It showed a curvature. Well he had to raise it didn't he? Yeah it, was... To account for the fact that the...

Yeah, this... So it's good. Yeah, for the sort of calculated curvature. And so then they were like, oh no, but... Um... That's just because there's... There's heavenly energies that are shifting the light and causing this...

And what we need to do is we need to repeat this in a Gaussian chamber. And so they then repeated it. The sky like dropped 26 grand to get a Gaussian Chamber and they repeated the experiment. Same thing happened. And they were like, oh, but that's because of this refraction re-effect from the magnetic field. There's a bit by, isn't it? Like, is it the 26 grand? The exigres goal. Yeah, yeah. Right. And he says one of the guys is literally saying,

Yeah, right. And he says one of the guys is literally saying this could really throw a Spanner in the works here like you are not trying to find out the truth. You are trying to find things which support your automation by itself. It's the whole things confirmation by the way that this better not get out to the the flat. This crowd if it does show I mean that that whole documentaries of it. It's funny, but it would make me more annoyed if they were less ridiculous. Yeah. The two questions that I would have for them is, firstly, what do they think,

why do they think the lies being protected so aggressively by big farmers? It's a pointless lie. Like who's gaining from CIA division? The CIA division, yeah. Like who's gaining from the fact that we think the worth it, the Earth is a sphere. Yeah. Whereas they are gaining financially in many ways from saying that the Earth is flat.

The podcast? So where's the ulterior alternative motive? And secondly, like save that 26 grand and just fucking find the edge of it. Did you see take a photo of the edge of it? Have you seen Alex Jones on Joe Rogan? No, the second one. So anyone who is listening hasn't seen this. The man is a force of nature. So he, him and Joe Rogan had a pretty public fallout recently and he basically called for the destruction of Joe Rogan, but he's this, do you know what I mean?

Do you know how I like to do that? Do you know how I like to do that? He's like the David Ike successor in a way. He's like a right leaning American political commentator who's been de platform from a few different places. He's got round face. America. They're making the fronks, gay.

Yeah, but very shouty. Says psychotic things like that. I'm gonna really like, talks about everyone, like the big politicians being lizards and... So the thing about Alex Jones that makes him so compelling is that he is such an unbelievable speaker. Like, I couldn't, you should go on, and Myrham in a really bizarre fashion

because his capacity to just elucidate everything. So you hear him speak, and he's, he'll be talking about the CIA and the moon landings, and of course this is why it happened. And you know that dogs are psychic buffers? Yeah, dogs can be psychic buffers, they're kind of taking orders, a little bit like the aliens do but not the real aliens because the real aliens are the ones that connecting like intravenously with everybody like the graze the graze

the graze is simply just like artificial intelligence and you're like I need so many so many vast concepts just connected and he just does enjoy the way just Joe is like, desperately. If there's anyone in the world that can wrangle a conversation like that, it's Joe Rogan. And he is, it's like being precious sprayed, but just bullshit. Bullshit. And all the time. But he talked about, he was like,

I will give a million pounds. He was like, I'm not a rich man, but I've got a million pounds. He's like, I will give a million pounds to someone to chart, reflect, fly over the Antarctic. And he wants Eddie Bravo to do it. He was like, Eddie. To find the edge of the earth. Yes, to see if he can find it. Because that's where they say it is, right?

So, you know, how we see the North Pole as a point, whereas I guess they see it as like all the edge, all the way around. So it's just all pole. So it's all the side pole. The guy's side pole. The guy, you know, the guy Mark Sargent and the documentary said that he tracked flights and no flight flew over a portion of the ocean. And then someone just went on the internet and said, I don't know, that flight come from and where's that one going?

But then he would say, oh, the site's fake. Well, like, there's always a big farm here. Just charge it, yeah. There's always big farm here to blame. If you need anyone to blame. So, but yeah, it's just this guy who earns a farm that's massive. That's a really big. He has to be a terrible farm. Yeah. And if you've seen the most recent Amazon prime documentary, which is about Big Farmer and the effect of anti-psychotic drugs on kids. Now, so there is some really fucking harrowing

research about the, I think it's the top 10 anti-depressants and the fact that pretty much every mass shooting in America, the people, the perpetrators, have had one or more of these drugs in them, and they wouldn't release the toxicology report of the other person from what was the really famous one? By those two of the guys. The Benchipiro called out Piers Morgan for singing. Yeah, Sandeho. Sandeho, they wouldn't release the toxicology report of the second because the first one came up that he had like X in his system and they were pretty certain that the second one, and if you had this big school shooting and both the common denominator between the two wasn't that they both had like a previous history of mental illness, it was the fact

they were both on these anti-psychotic drugs. Surely there were a lot of other commonalities, like in that case it's hard to say whether it's causational correlation. They are, but it was just something that Big Pharma wanted and that's why they're literally not allowing them. The Americans are so about, they love over-medicating kids with just, so I remember, so my dad was a psychiatrist and I remember showing him a bit of the Louis Theroux documentary, whatever overmedicated kids. And there was a 10 year old boy, he was 11 now, that had five diagnoses, he had a diagnosis of...

Oh, I remember seeing this. Yeah, OCD, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, autism, and ADHD. And he was on five separate medications for each of these conditions. The family were all on something, including the dog for PTSD, apparently. Well, the dog gone through. Yeah, exactly. So that's another flag of life, the family just thinks like... Yeah, maybe. Let's throw a medication to it. And I remember my dad watching him being like, first of all, statistically, the likelihood of all of these conditions to be, you know, one in a hundred thousand to get all of these

simultaneously plus this one is a chemical imbalance in this way. And this one is in the opposite way. It is impossible to have both simultaneously. And these drugs have not been tested on people under 18 years old. So, not this is abusive. But so what you've got is just like this idea that we should just throw drugs at people. It's but I'm tested on those age range. But it's only, of course, America and Australia that are advertised. There are allowed to advertise drugs.

And they have it to like, hey, do you wake up in the morning and feel a bit groggy and then do you go to bed at night and do you sometimes feel hungry? And do you? It's not. It's not. Well, you need pericessette. Yeah. It's that scene from Chris Rock's standup, isn't it? Where it goes, like, they just keep on naming symptoms

until they come up with one that you've got. Nausea, headache, tannis. Yeah, it says. Like, are you tired? Do you feed hurt? Are you bald? What have you got? He uses some language that I'm not going to try and use

because it will get me in trouble. But yeah, and he just keeps on naming things. If you want to watch an awesome documentary, prescription thugs by Chris Bell, who is the guy that also made big as stronger faster, and that is... It's harrowing fun. Fantastic. And he, like, even on that,

he was taking them and lying to the people that he was producing the show for, that he wasn't on them while he was on them while he was doing a show about not being on them. And he was like, oh, this is pervasive as fuck. Wow. So it makes me so glad that in the UK, you don't think? It's not the drugs themselves, but it's the use of them. It's like having such a low threshold for like, I think people don't appreciate it because

it's just a pill that I'll find like, you know, but because, you know, you take your parity small and there's no, there's no, there's no, like, visible effect. Yeah. So, I was trying to find a, I saw an image on social media the other day, which was like, I take this drug to deal with this side effect, and I take this one to deal with this that I get from taking this blah blah blah blah because diet training and sleep and lifestyle management is just too much hassle, something like that. But I suppose, because it's branded and because it's solution based to problems that people are experiencing,

it's not like, it's just like, I'm well therefore, it's, easiest fix, isn't it? Even I remember being in Vegas in a pool, shattered, like you know, you're like, you hung over dehydrated, you're in the desert, your jet lagged. Well, hang on a minute. Like, you're in a pool in Vegas. No, that's great.

So I was, we were speaking to this, this group of girls who were from like, I don't know, somewhere in America, but they'd still had a long flight like two or three hours or something. You know, Boohoo. And I was like, yeah, I really struggled to get to sleep on planes. And I was like, what do you mean? I was like, I really struggled to get to sleep on planes. And their answer's just, like, Xanax and out.

And I'm thinking like, okay, it's a marathon, it's a marathon and it's not quite the thing. Yeah, I don't even know what is Xanax. I imagine it's a brand of a drug that's also there in the UK. I think it's diasaparm. It's an American trade name, but what solid state takes it to the side of the snake. What If you take too many, then it like, you drop his health or something. Yeah. And it's just that, let's look it up. The first, the first port of call,

it would appear for a lot of Americans, just Medicaid. Yeah. And I was thinking about this earlier on, so in Lifehacks 1 or 7, we talked about Pomodoro technique and I'm currently reading deep Deepwork which I'll be done on soon and we're going to start doing essentially a modern wisdom booklet which is where we'll review books that we've read and then deliver some like key readings and stuff like that so if there are any books that you want us to cover or the U-VRED that we think that we should drop it in the comments below um but

that we should drop it in the comments below. But I partway through it like 50 pages in a deep work and it's just delivering some real home truths to me. I really don't want to swallow. Wait until you read it. I've listened to the Steam 3 review. Yeah, it'll be. Did you know what works being punched in the gut? Yeah. Digit minimum isn't someone just going with like sharp things at your eyes. It is much worse. I thought it was. It's just right. But both of them are just like you twat. So you've been fully sort of did this. And do you know what I started thinking about with that is the equivalent situation that appears to be occurring in so many different areas of life. Same in training and wanting to get

lean and the same in working and the same in dealing with emotions or feeling feelings. Feeling feelings, these feelings are uncomfortable, I'm going to medicate my way out of it. It's I'm not being productive enough. As opposed to let's spend some time doing some introspective work, actually work out what the fuck is wrong with me or why I feel this way, etc, etc, do the work. I'm not being productive enough, therefore I'm going to take some nitropics which are these unproven, untested, drogues and just throw them in me and see what happened, or I'm going to fill myself full of loads of caffeine, or I'm going to work for inordinate amounts of time to get an amount of work of caffeine or I'm going to work for inordinate amounts

of time to get an amount of work done that could have been achieved in five hours. Instead of actually tackling the issue, which is I do low concentration diffuse work across a lot of different tasks and don't actually do a lot of what you can tell I'm taking it in. It's such a high yield thing to fix before you start on the nutruppex. And then, yeah. It's like the guy who doesn't train, doesn't sleep, doesn't eat something. So this is how I felt about Alfred.

This is where my efficiency is effective. It felt like pouring fuel on a fire that's barely burning. So the Chiago Forte's productivity pyramid really slots it into place. Yeah, because that's just computer literacy, but it's only part of the pyramid. And it's like saying, you know, get calories in place, but you it's all from cake. And it's like, it needs to fix that. Well, it's doing something fast, but if you're doing something inefficient, yeah, ineffective fast is still is going quicker in the wrong direction.

Yeah. Or slow, slow me even slowly, but I tell you what one of the, one of the slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me, slope me yet and are feeling dissatisfied and he said being on the correct trajectory and being concerned about not getting, about not being there yet is the same as getting in your car to drive to a destination and complaining that you haven't arrived. Yep, you're going in the right direction. Nothing to do. Yeah, there is nothing to do other than just continue to make the car go in the direction that it's going in. So I digitally minimally tweeted about this today. Did you Alfred? No.

I didn't tweet for my tweet Alfred seems to be. Need press commands return. Okay. If you press return it delete it if you press command return it tweet it. There's a healthy skepticism there and it's response. Did you notice that? Well no, I've got to have to. Yeah, I'm tweeting to prove

you safe, wrong. Command, return. Fine. And then does it come? So I've got I've got to do the service. So yeah, anyway, tweet today just saying a quote from one of our articles, the bad news is there's no way to accelerate the process. The good news is there's no way to accelerate the process. It's actually so liberating when you fully get that because it's like, you still have an anxiety though because the... But how do we get you faster? What if I take...

They worry that because they're not there yet. They think, well, I'm knowing the wrong direction, don't they? Yeah, I should be there. I'm not there. Maybe the process is wrong. The open look isn't it? Yeah, that is the... I think so. What all these books are making me realise is that I actually haven't got a clue how to just manage myself. It's so frustrating after all the years of what we're doing. Yeah, because each book just points

out a bit. You idiot there and you're like, yeah, yeah. Deep, deep work, atomic habits, digital minimalism, probably less so. Digital minimalism is like these are the two things you need to do. And this digital minimalism, minimalism, minimalism is just dealing with the shit that makes it sense away. Yeah. I'm reading the life-changing art of not giving a thought. No. No. He's just releasing a new book actually, my Matson. The life-changing magic of tidying up or something. By Marie Conno. her, or condo, but to be honest, it's a similar approach towards personal organisation of your physical spaces. And again, you just realise, she makes point in the book of like, no one ever teaches you how to organise effectively

organise your spaces. Well, somehow it's fucking hits the head as much as people might not. He's a little bit out there and kind of a bit of a wanky intellectual for probably a lot of people. He speaks like a written essay super slowly and full prose. But he hits the head and says, much of our lives are taken up, learning how to live. Once we find an approximation of it, we stick at that for the rest of our days and you're like, fuck, yeah, you are right. Like I just work out some approximation of how I live effectively, say that'll do and then double down on it for the rest of time and that's what we should do.

No, no, that's what people do. That's what people do. Rather than optimizing to... All times. I think it's easy also to get stuck in constantly optimizing and never actually doing anything. Well, that's the difference between being unreceiving, being unsend, right? Like a mindless accumulation. I struggle with this. Like, I just mindlessly index reams of data and stuff and then it's like,

well hang on, I haven't actually implemented any of this. And I think Johnny started to do the opposite really effectively after Garret J. White incidentally, which was just you read a book and rather than read it from cover to cover it every time you come across it, like, ah, you then stop, reflect on it, do the thing, and then teach it to someone else. Well, I create a bit of content about it. And then you've just solidified. You've already cemented it.

It's a good word to do. Although if you're reading a book that like atomic habits, it would take you a year to finish because every other page is actionable. So I've heard it. I've heard it say counter approach to that, which is that like, if you're reading the right things, the things that need to stick will stick. That's tip ferris, right? Yeah. So the good shit sticks. I don't know if you've just in time. So that's, yeah. It's not quite the same as just in time, the right? It's that it's more like you will,

you will take your own top filtering. The best things. So naturally, but then it means that's an argument to keep rereading books because at different stages of your life, it feels good. I think if you're reading to solve a problem or improve a specific thing, like if you're looking for an outcome from a book rather than just reading,

you're like looking for the answer. So when you find it, or you're looking for the insights when you find it, you remember it. So definitely the stuff that I'm like, it happens especially with it a course or so like, so with digital minimalism, what I was looking for for that was like, how can I just improve my relationship with technology? So you're almost looking for a like a model to rest your attention on. Whereas if you're just reading a book, because

you might find it interesting, yeah, you just kind of all go as many as how much self-development to people read from that sphere of books where they're reading the pleasure. Like I think people read because they someone's told them to read it or they're doing that. Even if someone's told them to read it, it's that this will benefit my life, this will make my life better somehow. So there is a frame this has been draped over. It's easy to read that stuff for pleasure though, if it's like, if it replaces, if it acts as a surrogate for the, oh, I'm moving forward because I'm reading a book

about the worst prejudice. The worst thing is it's having some really well written notes on deep work while still working shallowly, having some really well written notes on the topic of it, well, I'm not actually having any consistent habits. You're like, well, actually, I'd have been better just not doing any of that. And then I wouldn't feel bad about not doing it.

Yes, the second order. The second order effect. I don't knowing, knowing that you know it. And still not doing it. It's a second arrow. Speaking of optimizing, you've both heard the search frugget interview. No. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. just nailing all of the new tropics and testosterone. Like a low-dolthymurkury in lithium. Yeah, low-dolthym, low-dolestitalopram, so anti-depressant, clomid, clomophymicrosourcing, MDMA. Yeah, MDMA, just basically, like some of these things almost cancee each other out of, or...

Probably, yeah, he basically just says, like, if I just try all of them and then something like he's like I think the net benefit that I get eventually will it was tracking it's been tracking it a fair bit so he's like the ultimate biohacker tracking it a fair bit and having his bloodstone and stuff it's just not very it's not very scientific weight of approach problems it's not it's the anti because it if he feels better great but like do I just have to live this way if the rest of my life? I think that's his intention. He's like, he wants to be in a lot of shocker.

He's human and try and really elongate his life. He's like, I'm happy to be at the forefront of this. But I suppose in his case, he's got a lot of quite interesting. There's a agency where he pays Russian models to sleep with. Yeah, very open about his transactional sex life. Because he says like it's just he wants to have no, he wants to have no shame about anything. So he's like including his sexual proclivities, like what he finds like attractive in the bedroom and stuff like that. Yeah, so he's like I want my parents to listen to this and I want to want to, you know, just so that he can be fully, and he said, like, he's trying to adopt like a never, never lie approach and never, you know, I've got so much respect for people

that do this, that they choose to do this, like radical change. It's, I find it fascinating. I think there's so many people exist in this safe area of, I'll do a bit of this and not that much more. And guys like him are fucking... Yeah, what I mean and what I find almost for sure is that because he's doing it all at once. and what I find almost for sure is that because he's doing it all at once. Yes, I get to fight what it is. Yes, fair enough, the approach might work really well for him, but in terms of for those of us who maybe don't want to do all of it, you don't know what it is. His goal isn't to create a model for other people.

It's just to make him as good as possible. Yeah, he's like, I definitely get that because I think from our perspective, we like, we'll hang on, but we'll have to make one change and then determine the result and that, whereas I think, yeah, he's just a deliberately shotgun and just in King, like, that's just, yeah, I did a podcast, which is now out in podcast land, with a guy called Jordan Hall, who basically worked, he spends a lot of his time thinking about how to redesign civilisations. He's the one life hack a month thing. No.

Who is that? Karl Seedstrom. That was really, really long. Episode, I think it's 40 years old. It's 38 something like that. Karl Seedstrom, I can't keep, like, really fucking good. But even he said on that, man, anyone who's not doing the Pomodoro technique,

he said the best life hack that you came up with out of the entire year. But yeah, this is crazy. I know, I don't believe. How credible is that? You hear a man who's done a year of rotating life hack systematically, and he's like Pomodoro. Pomodoro investment.

He's free. Yes, fucking free. All the other ones paid. Well, Pomodoro investment. It's free. Yes, fucking free. And the other ones paid. Well, I don't know. Pays is a piece. That, like with anything, like building habits, for example, truly using the Pomodoro technique, really mastering it. It's really hard.

Really hard. I can do like a 50% deep Pomodoro. Quite easy. I can go 100 miles an hour. I know that I know it's kind of the one D2 I do as well. I actually won an egg and spin race once. Really. I think it's important that none of us are underestimated We can girdle the world. I mean he knows the words to candle them. Yeah, so do I. the world. I mean he knows the words to come to the end. The thing is your card does go under parts. It does go under miles now. Yeah. So eight pounds. Eight pounds. I thought

that was Kyle saying I part. I found a part. Definitely wasn't. No need to include the cassette boy clip. What's that? That's what all those references are for. Oh, dude. Yeah, Alan Sugar thing. Yeah, fine. Video guy, Dan will make Alan Sugar appear over our heads. And the Pomodoro article. I'll put that in the show, not to be long. Yeah, that was a good bloody good one. Was it the guy who came up with, was it the Anki CEO? Some different one. No, it's a guy called Chris Whittfield or something. Okay. He just tracked every Pom of the room in his life, including like climbing. Oh, no, that guy, that is the Anki guy. Yeah.

So, the guy who was like, of course, the guy who came to that guy. I just coded my own tracking software for it and logged it all. But there's another guy who was like, I was working 40 hours a week and decided, I'm just going to leave eight Pomodoro's a day and describe how he was able to achieve the same volume of work. Do you remember when... Deep working? Do you remember when I got that message on Instagram off a listener who'd heard us talk about the Pomodoro technique and had created his own spreadsheet?

I sent you guys a screenshot of the spreadsheet. He's like, man, it completely changed my life. I'm like, holy fucking shit. I think just related to using Pomodoro's for rest of your life, I think that's how to ruin your life. I'm like holy fucking shit. I think just related to using pomodoro so it has to be life. I think that's how to ruin your life. If you're seeing everything is a pomodoro. I think it's purely for work. For me as soon as the timer goes on, I try my best. Time goes on, cold turkey, email, what's that message? It's like, you know the noise from who wants to be a millionaire when they start the quiz

Oh, yeah, that one yeah, that's exactly like yeah show time Fuck about because Chris tag it here. Yeah, Jeremy Clarkson And they've got a new help line. Oh, he's got a new help line, which is ask Jeremy Hey, what? Who wants to be millionaires? Ask him TV. Well, it's been on for a while. Right. Jeremy Clarkson's the new host.

There's a new life line which is Ask Jeremy. But he's the host. Precisely. So the light goes, do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do I don't know. What's the, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the child's illness? Don't know. Must be ITV. Thanks, sir. That reminds me. That's what I was going to say.

The thing I mentioned before, I don't know why I pointed you, I'm sorry. The thing I mentioned before about the big thing, a documentary following, a documentary following the guy who'd been accused of a sector fence. Yes. It's Louis Theroux, it's on BBC I play. Louis Theroux is a newbie. It's a newbie. No, no, no, the sex fender. No. Louis Thoreau is a newbie. It's a very familiar sex founder.

No, Louis Thoreau's interviewing him. Right. I wish it so much that I was Louis Thoreau. Just had Louis Thoreau's mannerisms. Have you? I wish I had the mindset of Mark Bourne from The Big Shores. I wish I could ask questions like Louis Thoreau. You've seen it.

You've seen the clip of the Scientology trailer. Oh, yeah. I've seen the full thing. Absolutely brilliant. So, who tell him to stop and I'll tell him to stop? So, the big short, the guy who produced the big short, fantastic film about the 2008 financial crisis, is the exec producer on a new Amazon Prime documentary

series with one of the actors from Harold and Kumar got a white castle. a new Amazon Prime documentary series with one of the actors from Harold and Kumaga White Castle and it's the guy who was a very successful politician of like political advisor worked in the Obama administration. It's one of the two main actors also. There's been a few things and it's just about money laundering and he... That sounds class. It's fucking miserable. Is it out now? Available now, I was in prime. I'm cool. I can't... This great beast that is the global economy, wordy title. Someone needs to work on it.

The headlines don't matter. It's all... It's kind of a bit... It's very American. But it's fucking cool. So literally the first episode is he gets given a fake $1 million and has to work out how to launder it. Oh that sounds so good Chris. I can't wait to watch that. I'm so excited. He's also that director has also done vice. This has been in the summer, which is about Dick Cheney. All right yeah. That's cool. That's recommend watching

that. So that he is a scene where 9-11s just happened. Dick Cheney's played by Christine Bell. 9-11s just happened and everyone else is in like fucking uproar and Dick Cheney's just sat there. Shorting the S&P's just, so it's not far off, he's sat there just thinking and then picks up the phone and it pans out and it's like, no one knew on that day why when a plane flew into the twin towers, Dick Cheney ran his lawyer. But it later turned, and then it shows basically how he just manipulators work. Because he's painting a very bad light.

What does he do? He was the vice president to George Bush. But not more, what does he do there? Just capitalize. Like, a lot of the Iraq war, a lot of the decisions made around like when to invade and what to do were him, what was he, how was he benefiting financially. He was, he was CEO of a big oil company. So not far off. Not big far off. So like, not big far off. It's just easier to just show it to the CFP. But it's just, it's the scene where everyone's like, oh, I got out of the issue. It's, it's, I find that so weird because it's like... Is that actually recorded that?

No, well, it's not in the film, but I wouldn't have thought so because it's in like the... It's acted in the film. That's my point, it's dramatized. I did another podcast with the FBI's ex-head of the FBI's behavioral science division, Garkhal Robbyn-Driek, so he is one of the world's experts on body language. I think I've seen something from him. He's been around a few different podcasts, but he was unbelievable.

And he said he started at the FBI, about six, one to perform 9-11. Oh my God. And I asked, I was like, think of the paperwork. That guy's walked in. Oh man. That's it. You know what we were saying last time about when someone goes into the back of you was like think of the paperwork that guys walked man That's it. You know we were saying last time about when someone goes into the back of you and you told the paperwork Just flash it off your eyes. Yeah, it's that times a lot. I mean that is a lot of paperwork Anyway, gentlemen, thank you very much for coming

Something else to watch just sneak it in laid on me Alpha go on Netflix. Alpha goes unbelievable. You see it. Yeah Lay it on me. Alpha Go on Netflix. Alpha Go is unbelievable. You've seen it? Yeah. Fantastic. You've watched Alpha Go, you'd like to watch it? It's Lee Sudong. Yeah.

We hit a go at the game. Chinese board game. Chinese board game. It's like the hardest game in the world. Okay. They build a deep mind, so by Google, based in London, it's just a bunch of really clever people trying to make an algorithm, trying to make AI essentially, and the mark of AI is, can we get this algorithm to beat the best go player in the world? Because they managed to do it in chess,

but they said essentially that because the number of permutations that goal can have, the number of permutations that go can have, the number of different plays that you can have in go is 10 to the 150, which is more than there are atoms in the observable units. So basically it was so complex. 443 billion billion billion billion billion stars in the neon universe. If every tier was a drop in the ocean, it would, so yeah, and they said it wouldn't be able to be done and I want to buy it. But then that surely means that the human mind is just taking punts rather than, like the mind that someone, the best go player, is mostly taking punts and it's just quite good.

Well, no, the tell you program it. How do you... mostly taking punts and it's just quite good. Well, no, the towel you program it. Because if he can't program a human to do it, then you can't program a computer to. So they're trying to create intelligence. Or the human's just making heuristic. Their argument is that there is some undefinable characteristic to human intuition or whatever it might be, which you wouldn't be able to replicate. Then they do this. Then do you know about AlphaGo Zero? Yeah, that's beat AlphaGo.

A hundred games to zero. Yeah. With, it was given nothing, so it just did self-play, locked in its own box. Wasn't given the rules. Oh, I know. AlphaGo Zero started from nothing and within four days had beaten the game. I don't like that at all. I mentioned this on the last catch-up episode, Josh Clarks the end of the world, if you haven't listened to it, you need to go listen to it,

it's fucking unbelievable. In that, there's a fairly cleverly balanced view of the threat of AI, and it's that some of the cleverest people on the planet say that we are definitely getting closer to very, very good specific artificial intelligence. But essentially in the last 30 years, we've made no progress towards general AI. And there's just so many very difficult things things to do like to get a robot to be able to pick a ball up off the ground. It needs to define so many different things. What is a ball, what is pickup, what are the motions that are required? How do you do it? Like it's impossible. The worry is that you you build something specific that becomes so intelligent that it's like,

I I now need to learn this as well. And then it learns itself to be general. You sort of mean. This is why the book Super Intelligence says, I promise, you promise me to get this, it's a lot of nonsense. So basically the sentence that you just said, there's like, there's a chapter on that, like what if question? And he just goes deep down the maths. And if we define K as the integral of S over T, and this is a number of speed and neuronal

connections that you had to dial back the pace to back to two years. The Tim Irvings on the flat earth guy, they interview him a few times. Yeah. His interview with Tim Ferris, he has the best like Fisher Price AI discussion I've ever heard. And like the theory of what we know, are we going to live on planets or space stations? Like that interview is genuinely brilliant. So so many things. Let's recap what people need to watch and read. So much stuff.

Digital minima is... If people have read none of this stuff, there are honesty and for the best, like, governments, this is a lot of work. Critic, yeah. Tomic habits, then they need to watch... Digit, watch. Got your code, isn't it?

You need to watch prescription thugs. You need to watch this beast, the great beast that is the global economy. Biggest stronger faster as well. Biggest stronger faster. What's that, the great beast that is the global economy. Biggest stronger faster as well. Biggest stronger faster. What's that, the dome under the dome? Yeah, what's the flutter thing called? I thought so.

So, to do a flutter thunder, Netflix, you'll be able to see it's being promoted like hell. Then you leave it through. You leave it through, BBCI player. Alpha Go. Yeah. Anything else? Big short, if you've not seen that.

Big short, if you've not seen that as well, yeah. Unbelievable. Marge and Cool, if you've not seen that. Wizard of lies, if you've not seen that. Big short, if you've not seen that as well yet. Unbelievable. Marjord Cool, if you've not seen that. Wizard of lies, if you've not seen that. Have you seen Wizard of lies? No. Brilliant. It's about Bernie made off.

Oh, I've seen it advertised. The new Jorogan with Alex Jones, four and a half hours. Unrelenting. It's what stops you from getting fully into your arrogance. It's just such a commitment. That will take me like two weeks to listen to. So, there's this bit. Wait, to listen to it is like what, what Chris does where it's just on in the background.

Yeah. It's a good way to, especially with that one, you don't care. It's a problem. Yeah. The problem that you have with an audio book is you don't want to be doing anything else while you're listening to it. It's too taxing in case you miss some of the gold. Or is it? If you miss five minutes, yeah, I don't know what's going on.

Whereas with Alex Jones, if you'd listen to five seconds, you don't know what's going on. So it's like, right, so you might, if you just never know what's going on, you're fine. I really enjoyed the Elon Musk on, um, Rogan, Rogan. He was good. I'm Darren Brown. Darren Brown was very good, very lucid. But Elon Musk didn't do himself any favors in not looking like a widow. I think it's all part of his plan. To do what? To get Tesla and SpaceX into massive exposure. How much traffic did that interview have?

Well, the car was to their Facebook because he deleted it. There's no way you fly rocket samar's make electric cars try and revolutionize all these things but you're you're a bit of a twat when it comes to your PR like it's all it's all got to be on paper. So because he's got that kind of megalomania crazy genius thing going on. Did you see the video of his new rocket mounted on the floor, the test burn? No. Oh, God. That's the rocket that can take people

that they've just sent out, isn't it? It's a new one. It's just a prototype. They just launched one the other day. Not that one, it's not ready yet. Okay. They did this thing and the sound that this machine makes is like, it just sounds at the end of the earth.

Like the sort of thing that would take us to Mars, I imagine. Probably, yes. And on that note, I think we better leave. Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming along. All of the links to what we've linked are in the show notes below. Everything that we've brought up during this podcast. Please do not forget to press subscribe. Johnny's touching you, Cicand.

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