Modern Wisdom - #101 - Sienna Day - What Is Life Like As A Pornstar?

Episode Date: September 9, 2019

Sienna Day is a pornstar. Kind of like chicken nuggets, everyone is familiar with porn but few of us understand how it's made. Today we get to find out. Expect to learn how you get started in the porn industry, what it's like on set, how you prep for anal, what is the optimal strategy for elongating your career, how to monetise a feature on Brazzers or FakeTaxi into a decentralised membership site, what 30 days of back-to-back DP feels like, and much more. This warning should be obvious but I'll put it just in case... This episode contains adult themes which some viewers may find offensive. Extra Stuff: Follow Sienna on Twitter -https://twitter.com/adayinsiennna Check out everything I recommend from books to products and help support the podcast at no extra cost to you by shopping through this link - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oh, hello people of podcastland. Welcome back to Modern Wisdom. My guest today is Ciena Day and Johnny and Yusuf, but mostly Ciena. Ciena is an adult actress from the UK, but works in America and Europe. She's a fan favourite, both here and abroad. And I know her. So it was just a matter of time before I got her and sat her down on a couch and asked her What life is like as a porn star? So yeah? Expect to learn everything you ever wanted to know and Probably one or two things that you might not have anticipated knowing either I was incredibly impressed by Sienna. I thought that she's planned her career out in a very well-structured and bureaucratic way.

I think obviously looking from the outside in the porn industry just looks like people shagging. And it is, obviously that's a big part of it. But there's this whole other side to it, the way that actors are now monetizing themselves, the way that she's protecting a career in different ways and spreading her sources of income. I thought it was really, really insightful and surprising in some ways that I wasn't expected to be surprised in. It was surprisingly surprising. Anyway, here is a porn star. I am joined by Joni and Yusuf from ProPaint Fitness and Ciana Day all the way from the adult

rated internet. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to have you on. We have wanted to discuss what life is like in the porn industry for about what, 31 years and then. We've come in for everyone else and we've got all of you. We finally got you sat you down on a couch, different sort of couch, so I don't know you used to. No casting couch here. Oh, is it one? This could be the most famous couch

that you've ever been sat on. Probably not though. I'm just gonna change it. Public agent was quite a popular number. Yeah, this also. That looks like the public agent couch, I've just seen. I'm just gonna want you now,

this is not waterproof. So can we, an all-stained proof? As it goes on, he's spunk stains are really on it. Probably, yeah. So that's kind of what you're going to be in for today. I'm going to just put a quick parental advisory on this. Might be a bit late, I reckon for that. Might be some adult themes.

But yeah, we wanted to just ask you some questions. Johnny, you've crowdsourced some from friends. Friends. You're inundated. It's a fucking debt, I'm not going to help take you. So first question, first question that I want to ask and it's the most basic question. Stop it. First question that everyone asks, how do you get into porn? Oh, it's the most boring question. How the fuck do you get into porn? Everyone else says that everyone does porn. Right. The beginning, you know the problem was I was very, very horny all the time.

I didn't wish to be a slug. So I was thinking, right, I can't do that. There must be a way I can like make use of this one to fuck everyone. And I don't know if it's like webcom and stuff before. I then, what about the guy I was seeing at times, I've never thought about porn. And I was like, I won't do you? 21. And so, as old are you? 21.

And so, you know what I thought? I didn't actually use to watch porn except for this lesbian porn, this strap on these tattoo girls or I didn't really know too much about the industry and I thought you know I'm going to do a little bit of research on it and then I did some and I thought yeah, I'm going to get into it and surely can't be that out. I don't know if you're going to be able to. It's not as easy as you think. Would you need to be licensed and like,

is there a training course, MBQ level two? No, but I think I could do a few teaching lessons. Okay, cool. So if there we go, straight off the bat, anyone who wants to get into porn, could you do an online course? Yeah, I can mentor them. One for it.

Yeah. I can't buy anything. I should have addressed school teaching. You should have been the students. That can be the second, that can be the sequel. So you had a skill and a passion for I want to monetize this. Yes, we didn't know about a skill Well, yeah, that's true. Did you have a skill at the time? You know what? When I was younger, I want to say an ear just because it's probably gonna cause a problem But I even like used to go on the BBC team and like look out with good floor jobs and stuff

I was hoping very fascinating with sex BBC team.. Yeah do you know when you could like Google like doesn't seem like a BBC to. Yeah like sex ed. That type of thing yeah like bite size. If you so that you have that sort. So I've always been very into it even from being very like young being very like fascinated with stuff like that so remember it's like don't blow on the cocket standards. Even though it's called blowjob. Don't blow up. What in case some air goes down to your refrigerator? Do not show a power member after that.

What happens if air goes down to your refrigerator? Oh god, I don't want to know the answer. You can, yeah, I imagine it's bad. I mean, I've never... I don't really imagine. I can't believe the locks in the house. I mean, it's not... Can't.

So do you remember when you used to have, you know at home, when you'd have a soda stream, and you'd like pump the soda stream when it would be all carbonate? I mean, there shouldn't be air in there definitely. So, but I'm thinking like, how is the air gonna get out? That's right, the air, that's what I mean. Yeah, because it's gonna rise.

It's the male equivalent of a quiff to get it out. I think it would predispose you to infection, because you've then just opened up a bubble of In your bladder. Don't try this at home basically. Do not do that. Okay, so I'm glad that we've got some safety and it's not just It's not just all pleasure ladies and gentlemen. It's actually this is real fucking cutting edge I'd like to hear from if anyone's ever had that happen. I'd like to hear from them Because I can't imagine that it's possible. They're probably walking around. I don't want to be the one that has to deal with the like infection.

Take one of the team. I'll call you from the RV. I let you know what happened. So who do you contact when you're like I want to get into porn so I'm gonna ring cuz this You're the porn industry, please. Yeah, where'd you start? So I just googled help your porn star Just to give you a lot of information Anybody found this YouTube interview of a porn star and it was on them Company called ATM a la their subscription and I just messaged them because they were In the age it was like I want to do probably represent me and they were like okay Let's organize a Skype Skype chat and then send a statistics over some photographs and stuff and we'll go from there

Quite a formal process. Yeah, it's quite a formal process And then they send you around all the companies like a little show pony See what a book. Yeah, what do you mean like publish it what is it publishers well then like your agent and then they send you to like for instance um evil angel browser digital playground and then be like so they could see even a flash and see they want to book you for their shoot okay so you selection process is it like yeah it's not like you have to then do free work until you get like it's not like acting where you have to process, is it? Yeah. It's not like you have to then do free work until you get,

so it's not like acting where you have to do free gigs, extras and that kind of thing. No, definitely not free gigs. Right. Don't have to do free gigs and porn. It's interesting. Yeah. No, it's interesting.

So no pro bono work, pro bono work. Pro bono work. Pro bono work, that's just the difference. But that's more than you were. That is just something to say. Okay, so you've done that and then tell me about your first time. First time on a porn set. I keep getting mixed up right between which was my first time because

you did quite a lot at first, I went over and just did like a folklore stuff. Went over. Yeah, to the states. Why? Just because I could find more information on that. And anyway, then it was even for a company called Pornodan which is a live webcam show or it was for Hussler I can't remember which one confused my being Pornodan I would forgot at the biggest pair of balls I've ever fucking seen in my life

that's what size you took like chicken fillets bigger than bigger than lemon balls What's that size you're talking? Like chicken fillets. Bigger than the lemon ball, wouldn't it? Wow, really shit. That's like two oranges. Yeah. Like medium sized oranges. That's why I'm like, and obviously it's quite a lot big guys. They enhance, they enhance, still.

But it's not just there's not a pool. I'm not chewing or I don't even got around to asking. So obviously I was thinking what the fuck? I'm just wrong. So like... Absolutely massive. And then it's like... Two oranges, two oranges.

No bigger. Like I no bigger like I'm talking I'm talking like not bald shape like Like rugby ball shape. Yeah, wow So that was quite a two is it and I'm saying one you 22 and I think it fucking hell this guy's massive balls I'm quite a big cock as well, but then That was okay actually so I got that oven dumb was relatively fast and then when I went puzzler There was two directors. It was like good cop bad cop. Oh my god, and that was done because it was such long days It's very sort of like a lot of people there camera lights

The guy kept wanking off the coke and oil like because I've seen been upon a long time So you have to just go jerk himself off. I remember Kicking himself with coke and oil constant. I mean, I think I'm what the fuck is going on here And then I'm like can you dance? No! Can you dance? Yeah, I don't want to be a sexy dance, which I hate. I still hate this day for anyone's like, can you do a sexy dance? Why is coconut oil? I don't know, it's just feeling really nice on his cock. But I just remember thinking of it.

I just remember thinking of it as so bizarre that this guy get runnin' off. The kick is out of coconut oil and jirken is cocked to stay hard. I just remember thinking of it as so bizarre that this guy get runnin' off. The kick is out of a coconut oil and jerkin' his cock to stay hard. I just remember thinking, what the fuck? This is actually mental? I think to be thrown into that as your first, first experience as someone who like, I'm guessing you flew over to the States on your own. Yeah. No family. One on one. No one with you. Like this. Wasn't like a DPC and wasn't like a five on one.

No, so I like, I staged everything. I and a boy girl you're after the day and all you have to that a DPD after that a DAP The other like can't bang and a DF does it Okay, so like do do do do do do do do do do this is your six now, so there's like a I want a lot of things to do so there's a hierarchy yes there is so where do you start what's the bottom wrong of Realistic mission really should start at solo lot of things to do. So there's a hierarchy. Yes there is. So where do you start? What's the bottom wrong of... Missionary. Missionary. Missionary. Missionary. Missionary. Missionary. Missionary. Missionary.

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right so you once you've raised that barrier yeah that you're only ever gonna be out there yeah well sometimes some girls will still it depends on like you fan base how popular you are but say you're brand new you don't really have that and you're doing a hardcore stuff they're not really want to they're generally to go back, you know what I mean understood So there's like a there's a fixed path. Yeah, like I do boy girl now So I'm gonna get booked for boy boys and boys girl, but I'm gonna get booked for boy girl

Boy girl animal because they're like my highest level to do all DP right But you've worked your way up to that. Yeah, okay, so actually boy girls in the beginning school cock But you've worked your way up to that. Yeah. OK, so actually boy girls are the beginning of school. Look, Cog. Great. So we've got the fact that you've started in the industry. You've been in America. Yeah. Then what happens? Do you go that right?

I've outgrown this agent. It's time for me to get bigger penises. Like what? You didn't know? I've still got turns with the agent. But then I want it. Once you've been established in the US, I and then have contacts in the UK it's actually I have no way of knowing like how to like get into the UK industry and then when I

got back I started doing beard station. Oh right. Yeah. Which from that's not for me it's too soft and too long. It's a long day, it's right. Long night. It's like 10 or 6 and like You just get a 10pm or 6am. Yeah Yeah, it really is yeah, and then obviously I if I'm on the phone or something I get to stuck there It's that mixed air in round and I can't know where to mix tops up like oh, yes, you can suck on my cock I don't want to do. I mean, I don't suck it off. I'm gonna need you to turn off as well. Yeah.

Off. So, I'm on the channel. So, you're on the TV. So, you're just on live TV. Yeah, you've seen a bit of channels come on. So, I don't have a TV. So, you think that's a joke. So, is there a delay between like if you make an error like that, or if you, I don't

know. No, you make that you I don't know Life you can't hear what they're sitting unless you're at em like a spy car or something So you can have people listening to you do talk which gets you more money because they pay like So they're like a fractured all the volume So if on the telly you just get this like CD porn or music and they're the girl like doing like Shake and the four and at yet to call and like shake and a dead shake and the rest be funny and speaking No, you can't either speak. Yeah, I'm not she's saying. Oh, this you know, I'm making the runroxy two girls from leads No, I don't remember now. They they've smashed it on babes. They're both like well into their 30s now and still

Absolutely nailing it. Yeah, if you're gonna do babe station You shouldn't have done porn before really because then you'll use a height and more hardcore standards Yeah, so that's like Babe station first more glamor more glamor Okay, and then solo then boy girl you're gonna go girl boy girl boy girl It's a pretty fancy at babe perfectly fine to stay at bed, station, because you still get an insight to the sex industry, but you're not, I'm just doing some of the mental,

mental, mental. So people who are in the more hardcore thing, look down on people who are in bed station, because they're just amateurs. No, not at all. They're just sort of a different level. They might, like, they're some girls that do porn, might prefer performing, like visually,

or with props and sorts, rather than doing, talking to them, they'll be very, very good at doing, talking to the forms. I think as, my preferred performing visually, or with props as such rather than doing it, it's all gonna be very, very good at doing the forms. I think as like doing anything. It's a completely different skill really. Yeah, well, it's doing anything monologue as always. Yeah, a lot of respect for these women, some of them are actually wizards with them,

for vocabulary. We say it all the time, right? Like if we've got the option of recording a podcast for an hour or doing a 10 minute monologue to camera. Give me the fucking podcast. Yeah, yeah. It's just it's just back and forth, right? Yeah. So you've done, you've got back to the UK, you've done all that sort of stuff. Let's get into some nitty gritty. Yeah. The day that I knew that I wanted to do a podcast with you is when I messaged you, a text did you just catch you up and say, how's your day

being what you've been up to? And you're like, I'm on a train at the moment. How about you? And I was like, oh, well, I've done this with my day and I've been a bit tired and had work last night and this and that. And you're like, how come, why are you on a train? You're all, well, I actually feel a bit uncomfortable. I mean, that was it. I feel a bit uncomfortable. I'm a bit of pain at the moment on a train. I was like, what, what's wrong? Oh, I've just been in Amsterdam. I've done 30 days of back-to-back DP. So what you're doing tonight? It was like just the most oh, yeah So I went to the shop and the milk was out of day actually and then this and I did 30 days of back-to-back DP

What you up to the weekend? That's I just need a window into this world Yeah, this is exactly what I find so fascinating that like like, does it immediately, like, does it immediately just become like, ah, it's just work, like, okay, 6am, right, let me go in. Oh, no. And it feels like the same as doing an office job by the end of, like, having done it for a few years, are you just like, here we go again, right?

Or is there still... Because everyone's still thinking, like, when you think of work, you think of an office job. Yeah, but people think of's sex as like novel. You kind of like, when you first start, you're very enthusiastic, young little poppy, and it's like, yeah, I'll suck your cock

when the camera's not on to fluff you. Once you've been it so long, it's like, okay, you're getting dick out. Because you also want to reserve your energy for the scene because you expected to do more hardcore scenes. And I'll always give someone a helping hand, if there's just probably the one or two years. I'll always be like enthusiastic and warm and welcome into the guide but the end of the day the guys there to get to come and do a job at Surreyu. You can't be expected to suck him off for an hour before the

scene's to get him hard. So listening to the Riley Reid episode on Logan Paul which was the apart from my very long history of watching porn is my research I've done for this show. And listening to that, I was really surprised, like she's incredibly passionate about her job. She sees it as a genuine creative art. And she talked a lot about energy and about like sort of making sure that the scenes beautiful and all this sort of stuff. Yeah, you want to work with someone who's got good chemistry, Like, our generally gives someone a couple of goals to see what the energy's like because you could just have like a bad one off scene, but if you've got a bad scene, that's it out there.

So you want to really work with people that like on your level, to be able to come in, you're both professional, you're both ready, the garden keepers wore, the girl looks nice, and you just have a good strong scene together and you're up to the same levels. So, talk me through. Especially at the makes, it's a lot of content creation at the beginning. So, you do it all for yourself, so you want it to be like really really good. So, talk me through, it's a day that you've got work, you've got craft. Talk me through morning routine and then what do you do? You get to the set, do you have like a bit, do you do your own makeup, is there hair and makeup people there? Right, depends what company you're working for. It's a company like Brazos,

Evelyn, children, people like that. Are they the big ones? The big ones, a lot of money. Then you'll go in 89 o'clock call time, you'll get your makeup done, you'll get your hair done. Then you do glam still, then if it's anal, you'll go prep for anal. What's that? anal? No, no, no. What's that? anal? No, no, no, prep for anal.

Gliferol's a positry. Ducin, and some girls like to take a butt plug up their ass to stretch it up. I'll just wash and then that's it, it's where you go. Okay, so you're pretty sort of quick. Yeah. Cool. That's good. I mean, that's got to be an advantage.

Yeah, that's like being able to do it. I think it's very easy, which is a good thing. You know, that's the that's the equivalent of you being able to call bar deadlift 200 kilos without warming up. Just no way. Like, yeah, walk into the gym deadlift. In you go. How much do you have to look after your own financial interests? You said like the certain cases where people will want you to work extra like unpaid stuff. Do you have to always like?

What? What? What? What is this on-pair stuff? I don't know, I was under this. Someone would expect you to like to the if you're having to do like extra hours or do stuff that isn't being directly paid for directly or is it better? So when I'm paid by hour we're paid you decide yourself how you pay, so you either paid like daybreak or a scenery. So actually I wanted a quite big argument for gentlemen because I went around there, I did the scene, it was an insane smashstick for very good positions, gived, filthy, hardcore fucking scene and you record it on Snapchat and send it out and then it goes to me after a bit, when I was child, a 10 minutes of us start the scene and I'm like whoa whoa whoa

how much does that kind of thing happen where like either you've been pirated or like you know you stuff gets uploaded where you can't then profit. Well every single one of my movies has been pirated but I'm pure for that scene so that it doesn't affect my cells after the exact unless it's my own stuff for my only fans. Can I get back to the big hit as there? Like you went through a few characteristics that make a good scene. Yeah. So like, can we just learn about those please? It depends on your shooting for.

Like some people like really beautiful stuff. I did something proud of the week. I was like cinematic, er, roshaka, whatever. I personally hate that bullshit. Like it's long, it's unnecessary, you're back, I asked like that for like 12 hours of the day, and then actually that you do something else, another, they're 20 hour long days and it's all soft porn so you have total of about six minutes of sex and like 20 hour day, like I personally hear that, but some people love it.

That's what I wanna know. Who forgot just that? Like do they do things like do they have like a certain audience in mind with the audience? Yeah, so like it's to each person makes a good scene. So he's like don't spit on the cock, don't gag on the cock, don't be aggressive, don't be too loud.

Is that in a list of recent videos? Yeah, you see that's really, like, too loud, too p the list of recent videos? Yeah, you were saying that's a very bad one Too loud, too pono, and then so then I'm scared to make noise and he's like not loud enough It's very delicate isn't it? Okay, so you got that and then what about as we start to move up through like more hardcore? So I prefer more hardcore stuff so then it depends but obviously that's the stuff I prefer like good energy Hardcore, someone that can keep up the same tempo as you then it depends, but obviously that's the stuff I prefer, like good energy, hardcore, someone that can keep up the same tempos years. You're saying hardcore, what do we mean?

Hardcore's like anal deep for lots of space I'd say. All the big hit is right. Pain, I don't know if I can say that on there. You can say whatever you want. You're worried about saying peeing. Oh, I'm not saying peeing. I feel like we're, I'm not sure what's wrong with him. We're 20 minutes into this podcast.

And that's probably the most PG thing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my. Where is, it's actually legal to film that in the UK and I'll start to do it. It's illegal. Pee when filming. To film when Pee.

To legal to film someone who's sex. I don't know what I'm saying Pee. Hang on, hang on. It can't be illegal to piss on someone during sex. It must be illegal to film you people. To legal to film someone to have a sex. I don't know what I'm saying, please. I'm going to hang on. It can't be illegal to piss on someone during sex. It must be illegal to film you pissing off. Oh yeah, I don't know. I don't know. If the police knocked down the door, that's one of those like non-crimes that's reported and logged, isn't it?

Johnny, I know that you're rich in. Can we hit on it? What are the, about the legality of it? It's illegal in the UK to be a prostitute. Correct? Yes. Yes, but not an escort. Okay, but if you, if someone, if two people move in off the street, there's money changes hands, they have sex in a room, that's illegal.

However, if it's filmed, it's now not illegal. Is that the case? Because the battery, like the, oh, it's not about like the economic value coming from that transaction, it's from like how that's then sold on. So you're creating a product. That's the reason. In simpler terms, if it's being filmed and it's porn,

it's illegal. I think it is not. You can exchange money. Escoctin is your allow to pay for someone's time and whatever happens is between two content levels. So you can still say that's what is going on. It's illegal to get like a street worker. So there's 400 pounds. Let's go out for dinner. Let's go to the cinema. Whatever happens. Give me a back row. Blah blah blah. Okay. And the payment side of it. So you always get paid, but there is like infinite free porn on the internet.

So how is the, well, like who is it being sold to? I mean, maybe there's a massive group of guys who pay. It's actually a bit porn politics. So like the porn or ex-videos are actually owned by the companies that I do porn. So they actually sort of technically sort of steal their own content. So they're creator, publisher and distributor. Yeah. Wow. They're basically everything. That's why it's only like every 10 minutes. And then you'll see that art. You'll click on it and you'll go to the website. If that

makes sense. That's like porn is never like 40 minutes long on porn or ex videos. Yeah. So browsers is like porn, but it's a, it's a, a company called Mind Geek. But that will not be the making of them on content. That's why like porn, brats, often the premium, we have all the fans, we've got Chelsea, singing my, me.

So those kind of aggregators, like are they advertising for you, or do they, do they ruin your profits long term? Um, it's very different because you, I think years ago, there's more, for an effect because girls weren't being paid for like, and guys at 10,000 pounds for a scene,

just a thousand pounds for a scene. But now it's like a long, long haul effect, if you forget that long haul, that's the long haul. What's the long haul effect? Like the law of least time. Yeah, it's not effected me since I've started, but if I'd been doing 20 years,

I'd have really seen the effect of it. So what do you stand to earn? Like not use specifically, but like an average porn star. What's like, what? You don't make a lot of money from one porn video, you make it from like doing quite a lot of porn videos and then doing things for yourself. So your porn is like your self-promotion.

So would you rather get royalties from like videos that you do? Yes, I would. I want to go to 53 million views. So I'd be like? Yes, I would, I want to have 53 million views. I'd be a million. 53 million. Wow, I've got one video. I've got one. And XVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV iTunes allow me to point out that teeing yourself up for Google if not it might be a bitly late. Well that's even more dodgy.

I don't put a bitly like that. No, I mean I might don't find already this video. Stop it. Stop it. This video will not be monetized on YouTube. I've already accepted that. Sorry Dean. So what we said, Johnny, you must have some good questions.

I do have a bit. I mean there are a bit. I mean, there are a bit. They're technical. No, no, no. Are they pony or are they businessy? No, they're all related to porn. It's not like, you know, what do you think about Brexit? Yes, not so far that whole.

Okay, so the first question. So these are all friends. I basically ask people if you could ask again, so I said something. So this one is, most people pick their career and what they do because they want like a pay rise or a promotion or like they do for self worth. Like if you're a doctor you might want to help people stuff like that. I'm going to help people too. That's a great answer. Do you get that from porn?

So do you get like a sense of you progressing? Yeah, you really do, you know. Like I do a lot of custom videos as well for people and it's just really nice to help people get that one thing on. It's very fulfilling. It's a great time. It is, you know. So get the right one.

Going back to just because it kind of relates to what you've mentioned there. again listening to the RIDE podcast It's totally right because this advent of social media, self promotion, funding of self content and the fact that you no longer need a publisher Yeah, to do your stuff has meant you guys may not know about this But there's only fans at myme.vip who's own a Chelsea Ferguson's going to be on Modern Wizard of America a couple of weeks time. And this is where, so what you're saying is, your porn is distributed to a wide audience.

You do that, people then become fans of you. That's the front end of your funnel. Fig Taxi is a great one to do. It's not the best paying, but it's the most normal. So widely watched. So then people like I love this girl on Theic Taxi, let me follow her Twitter and then I like oh wow she's filthy and love it just so that was actually the guys asked. So when you're doing this stuff do you have, because when we make videos or podcasts

like we're very much thinking about the person on the other end who's watching or listening and like how can we talk to them the most. Are you thinking of the person on the other end who's watching or listening and like, how can we talk to them the most? Yeah. Are you thinking of the viewers? Yeah, I always do a little service on Twitter, Instagram, it only fans, and what do you guys want to see next? This week I'm going to do small penis humiliation and a jerk of intro. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Which one? Small penis humiliation. Yeah, so. And a jerk of intro. That's not my usual style, actually. Which one? Small penis humiliation. And the jerk I've been struck by is that what? That's not my usual style actually. So I'm going to do a little bit of research because I'm not naturally like into the dominate inside. And that's kind of a bit fetishy.

So but someone asked me to do it on my content. So I'm going to humiliate a small penis. What's the appeal of that? I love to ask it. I was like, yeah, if you are the mother. Jesus puts the preference, maybe he's probably a small cock. What's the appeal of that I'll ask you Is this person a preference you maybe maybe he's probably a small cock or maybe you think once me telling me it's a worthless piece of shit I don't know I would have to ask him which which we want to be go from Usually they will want me to see a look at this big massive fucking cock yours is nothing compared to this

Well, that's what they're after. Yeah, it's a weird dynamic. So there's a couple of girls that I've known that have done like Financial domination. Yeah. Which is the thing that I've got more than a fin, fin don't know, man. So this is like guys, guys will get their paychecks, send their entire paychecks so their account is zeroed out on max out their overdraft, send it to a girl, and this girl then drip feeds them the money they need to live.

And some of the guys do this with a wife, and no no just takes all their money and then drip feeds them and need to eat I need to put pet on the car right there's three quid back and that's what they get off like the fact that they'll make them walk to work. So I'm like what the hell. Take that as an example right. So is there someone is is there like a boss of porn? Is there like the Mr. Porn or Mrs. Porn? I don't know, it's quite a tough question really.

There's like, you have your classics, but then everyone all will sit to me. Do you know, but this porn stand is always like a different person? But is there someone like at the, is there like a Mark Zuckerberg? It's the guy that owns the, what was the company you mentioned? Maggie? Yes. The guy that owns the, what was the company you mentioned? Maggie? Yes.

The guy by my heart. I think it's a stealth bomber that's just like the top of the world. It's a count, he was the guy that was on Joe Rogan and it got out to some inser, it's like 80% of porn traffic. Remembering that porn traffic is 30% of the internet. Where traffic? I've heard different percentages for that. Like some people say like 95% of people say like most of it.

I got that start from Logan Paul, so obviously. But so that's like fetishes. If you, I don't know, but let's say you go back like 100 years, I don't imagine there are people like being financially dominated or like doing some of the stuff that's in porn now. No, no, it's a porn, create the fetishes. Or there's the fetishes, great question. Do you sort of mean, like, do people have these fetishes because they've seen a porn video and think,

fuck, no, I really want to be financially dominated? There was someone talking about this saying that the creation of new categories almost generates demand for new people looking for weird or serious. Yeah, especially a lot of men that have been upon for a long time and women We will need to think of more more hardcore and outrageous things to get us off because It's kind of hard to run as free person out to get off the floor. If you're some man and a woman having sex You've got to think sometimes of some deep dark CD stuff and free to mind. I'll be deep dark It's a little something like the feng on a thing but I don't know because some people are quite vanilla

guys and then they have these mad old random fetishes. So going to the porn stuff, how is holding down relationship while you're doing that? Absolutely horrific. No, terrible. Can't believe it. Terrible. For you or for the guy? Just the general relationship. The whole thing. Just the general relationship.

The whole thing. Every single party involved. No, I do not know what it is. It's very hard because I think a lot of guys get attracted to you. Well, they make you through porn sometimes. They might be like fans or. So if you're porn boyfriend. I have not a porn boyfriend.

I don't think mixing business and pleasure. And it's just having that connection with someone where I wanted to go out with them, not that I'm a bad guy as do I have, but yeah I don't think that when they get fond of you and are they start liking you a lot more, they don't think they actually like seniors as a subject no more and then they struggle with it and they don't want their girlfriend going out and getting fucked and spooked on by the men. So it's always jealousy that starts with? Yeah, it's the jealousy really that gets jealous. Did you get jealous? Like if you were with someone who was a porn actor, porn stuff. No, because it's a job, it's so different. Like I'll go there. I can't even remember the names of men I've slept with,

or porn. I don't even, you know, you go there, you speak to them, you have a nice conversation, you make a good scene together, you have respect for each other, then you'll go and you might not speak to each other ever again. So I think that probably strikes on one of... That probably strikes on one of the really difficult to understand things that most people think about when they think about pulling them in the tree. So it's a different mentality, because for most people, the reason that you have sex is because it's this emotional bond, it's this thing which is incredibly intimate, it's not transactional, it's not like filmed, there's not hair and

makeup, you haven't done a douche before, like all of this sort of stuff and I think it's that. I've had to teach a couple of friends to douche. How do you douche? You just, well, you can get a little like douche bulb and you just feel it warm and stick it in your head to screw it out, even all of your choice. Or you can just take your shower head apart which I've done a few guys have with them, just stick it up and sick and you're just going it out, even whole of your choice. Or you can just take your shadow head apart, which I've done a few guys have with,

and just stick it up and then, say you said. The high pressure. Have you told them that you've done this very well? I just felt like I could put the shadow head on like, oh, I've got one in, do that. Wow. I'd be quite upset if someone took my shadow apart

and didn't tell me that they'd put it in there. You know what you sometimes lose? Did Rubber rain? It's not the water. And then you're like, there's no wear, you know. That is, a seizuku, or is it just somewhere else? No, like when you're going to find a floor. No, it's simply.

You don't have either this in your ass, you lose on the shower floor. So when you're obviously losing, clean, and you're like, fuck, where's it gone? So go back to the relationships thing, a little bit difficult to hold down relationships. Yeah. Because of some jealousy What about sex outside of porn for you? Oh, yeah, it's great So you haven't found that you've done regulated your sexual appetite through porn for a little bit You do sort of like get de-centrised because you saw you to have a sex on You're just having porn sex

So you can de-centrise you for a little bit in the fact that you kind of a bit like you can't have emotional Connective sex, so when I struggle a bit for a little bit But I was recently fucking a guy this year I managed to get that back a little bit. That's cool. Yeah, so what sort of sex do you have outside of porn? It's just the same really Porn sex outside of porn. Yeah, and porn sex. Did you have that before you did porn? Probably not as intense, but it was still pretty full on a wild. I'd add like four sums, like three sums and eight on the stuff before porn.

But I had to only say I'd really enjoy and like, eight on stuff after done porn. I'd learn how to relax and clean myself properly. And you know, like the cocks go in, push your ass out, and it sucks the cock up, little tricks like that. Funny girls out there want to do it. We really need, really, really need to do an online course. It should be like a cheat sheet, shouldn't they? Like, things to top tips.

Yep. So, okay, there we go. Girls struggling with anal. Girls want to do anal, wife wants to do anal, whatever it is. Is it that camera there? What's the, what's your tips? Make sure your ass is clean, douche. What I want for bup-log just sit with it in for an hour if you like. When the cock's got it, be well lubricated and push your ass out and it'll swallow the cockle pussy relax It's reverse peristatus That's one of the key difference is surely that you said like you know there's a camera there and you're performing to something

Yeah, I mean sometimes like that cameras like over the guy face, you can't even see them if it's PLV. I see. But then if you're with someone, there's no camera so surely that changes. Yeah, it's common. Sometimes it can be but you get a bit shy, sometimes it's like, oh hold on a second. There's no way. Where's everyone else at? Oh right, yeah. Yeah. Because it feels oddly intimate. Yeah, yeah, oh god.

Yeah, excuse me. And I love filming it in my personal life as well. Would you just get one of your flatmates in so he can come and stand on the side? You just get him to gesture while we're doing things. So I feel like I'm back at, yeah, exactly. Back in the office. Is it, because obviously you do a little bit.

That's gonna be the thumbnail. You're dealing with guys who do this for a living, a work, and then you're dealing with, then you sleep with someone outside of porn who's just some bloke who occasionally has sex with people. Is there a massive difference? Like, you're dealing with like a rail gun. I've had bad porn sex, I've had bad normal sex, I've had good porn sex,

I've had good normal sex, it's just a petal. But it's not that porn stars aren't like in a league of their own. No, I don't know. No, no. No. That's surprising's surprising. I thought they'd be like in a league. I've had some bad porn sex as well. No, no, not much I wouldn't say. Right. What is your name of your first pet? And so you, you know, it's like the people say you're on your own. Your poor name is, yeah, it's the name of your first pet and like the

first street that you live done. Yeah, that's it. Jess Imperial. That is amazing. That really is. I don't think that long mind you know. Because mine doesn't work. Yours was quite good. Smudge running mute. What's yours?

I'm the bastard, Barmore. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! You're always sneezing on the phone, okay. Absolutely busted. Barmol.

Yeah. One more time. I've done busted. Updolboss. Oh, pet, oh, pet, just you are. It was a rabbit, but my dad thought it would be funny. It's a call in the name of like a 19th century arrow poet. F**k you.

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Oh Jesus, this is another question I hear, a lot. Thousand? Between 500 and a thousand, I know that's a very good advice, right? For sure, for sure. I've had been having porn sex for six years, I've slept with quite a few before then then there's the personal sex Yeah, fuck knows what's the piece of string so 500 to a thousand you're exposing yourself to a massive amount of risk How do you like is that something with you? Oh? Yeah, yeah massively like do we get tested every two to four weeks and do you get tested before a new partner?

Or like do you get tested before a new partner? Or like, do you have, like, what's the... Well, I'm tested every two to four weeks, anywhere. It was a six years. For the past six years, that's been a... Long as I've gone, but I'll get tested it would probably be two months for the past six years. Okay, who tested the company test you? No, you have to get it done.

There's a company in Dean Street that used to give us six hours turn round results. We knew that results fast, again, the more start of our window. And you have to get tested for Climuthia, gonorrhea, syphilis, HIV, HepC, HepB, what are the diseases of that? A lot of diseases.

A lot of diseases. And then, and didn't you say that there's some sort of certification and everyone is a part of this same like you have to put in your health certificate, which is signed and it has to be like by one of the companies, yeah. Okay. So everyone's kind of unionized into this.

Also, you're working with the saying, the reason why it's hard to say how many people you've slept with is because you work with the same people over and over again. So it could be a lot less than I think, because I'm thinking, hold on, I work with that guy, a lot over that period of time. So is it really that many?

Or is it more? So that probably creates a protective field around the industry because if it gets tested all the time, it's I think the rise of the rise of the porn industry in the spread of HIV, I think happened at the same time. That would have been before. I think it's like we should talk to him. I think it's not. That's before he has that all these connections. think I'm down. That's before you have all these text lines in here.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, imagine that. Like, you've got all these people having sex, high volume sex. Someone here tried me this year who was a porn star. We have a three-month break where no one shoots any porn just to make sure it's not spread within the industry.

What if this is an outbred, ever-one red light? Yeah. No, if it's taking. How do you earn your money if you, in that? That's why you've got to have like a backlog of content. You've got to be so low. Yeah, that is literally the same protocol they had. They're health and safety. And hate your own N1. And hate your own N1. And remember when no one can have sex with each other. The virus. Yeah, no one can have sex. But that you're totally right. So I want to talk about the only fans, the only fans in the AdMimeE, dot the IP stuff as well now. So is that kind of change the game for you guys a little bit? Yeah, so like, there was a point where I think like

the companies and the producers, directors, whatever, these people there had a lot of control over the industry. And there was more and more girls coming in and then maybe be doing it from lower rates because the European girls were very very cheap because they're from you know the immigrants coming in here and sucking up stocks. This was like in Hungrin Prague it's where most of it's short but now we've got the opportunity to make a lot more money because we can sell our own stuff now. So how many? We've always been able to buy sites like many vids and other platform websites but now it's just for some reason these two websites have blown up and made so much easier for everyone. So how many fans have you got on your things? I have about 400 on my only fans and I'm not too sure on my on my my me to little less on that website

Cuz I started only fans first I would like to transfer them all over but it's quite difficult to get them from one to the other and how much is it to subscribe to you? 1599 for only fans and I'm not sure about my me. I just changed it either day. I do offer sales and stuff sometimes Link in the show notes below that's a month that's a month. Yeah, that's supposed to transfer people over You have to get them to re-subscribe people. Yeah. Yeah, so it can't quite difficult And some people come first certain website Is it so pointless? No, no so how often do you get recognized by fans or by like Like does that ever happen in history? Yeah, quite a bit

Sometimes they'll be a bit shy and the more one is say and then little message to you and you're like, oh shit, where was I watching? I look like it's not working. And sometimes they'll frantically chase you, like in an embroidered guy, just like follow you all the way to them and tell them, like, how do I have a bit of a chance? Seriously. Yeah. Does it intimidate you when people know? No, no, the usually just say I'm excitable. Okay. Yeah, I haven't really encountered any like absolute lunatics. Because something we find is that like people who watch podcasts or videos of us, they'll come up to us and because there's a very one-way

sense of familiarity, they know us because they've seen our content, but we don't know who they are. And so they're overly familiar with us. Yeah. We're just like, and they take a bit of... I think I've used to be friendly with strangers, because porn.

That's true. Yeah, that's good. We're not very good. Do people ever come up and say, like, so with us, good example, someone say, do you remember on episode five, when you spoke about the Pomodoro technique? And you said that you do four on one off,

but I do five on one off. Do people ever come up to you and go, do you remember that scene you did? It was with like this, this, this person, and you're thinking, I did that like half a decade ago. I'm going. I was supposed to say things. I don't like, do I remember like someone said me

in Elvis Presley book because apparently I said I liked him once and it feels like I've been saying that. Where did I sit at all? I don't like that. It's a really nice gift. I totally remember saying it. Smugled things like that. Johnny, what we got next?

You got some more questions. Yeah. What is the worst thing? What is the worst experience you've had? And what is the best experience you've had? I'm quite lucky. I've not had too many bad experiences. When that guy tried to get me to do another scene

like the Snapchat I was raging. He called me the psychopath out. I can't not do it. He stole from you. Yeah. He was trying to exploit me and get more for his money, but obviously then you stood on the ground. I've had a couple of situations like that.

I once had a glamour scene where the guy was trying to be a bit pesty and you know, crack on my maid not just glamourful graphs, but other than that, everything's been really good. I've been quite lucky. Oh, and the other thing is shooting really, really long days, like 20 hours. It's just 20 hours. Yeah, that's just not for me normal that type of work 20 hours you need a union you really need you know, we've got one on the fucking mental

No one really respects But they're always kicking off on Twitter Well, I mean that's exactly where everyone Because the farm people not see the union as the union, because the union don't actually should pawn. They're just these people who don't open you. Oh, that's everyone on the internet, isn't it? That is, they don't actually do anything.

They're just a man with a Twitter account. Just in a keyboard that can... What is so funny about eating all this stuff? It's all the best. Some of your highlights, some of your highlights, one that comes to mind. And why? God it's hard. And they like to come louder, because I had some pig ponds at my ass.

And I just like doing different things like that. That I'd be creative. I did one with like a little ponds. Just the balls, I'm bastarding, I get the bets up there. So I got three up there, I almost got stuck. I did the same with like a look at chams. Oh, the ones regularly. They're not that white. They're not that white. They're too open. I almost got stuck. I did the same with Lucky Chams, or the regular, and it's like, it's like, a sea relamp my ass.

And Scrapey as well, like, No, that was the man in milk. Oh man, milk. Are you lactose intolerant? No, I don't know why I never thought. Yeah, why don't you specify man in milk? I think that's a bit healthier, so. It's nice.

And then, what other ones? I did a great fake taxi Rebecca Moore. My casual, I've had very good since there's a diet with him fake taxis have always been fun actually Have you done the female one have you been a driver for fake taxis? No, I haven't actually there's actually been loads of fucking bonus. I've been really really good And a DP a DP for digital playground for a bulldog thing. That was good. Why was that? Daddy D's good. Just because it looked really wicked, it felt good, it looked good,

the guys were good, we already got on. I think the best scenes, come out looking wicked, you have a good time, you're laughing, you're all professional, the sex is good. The things like fake taxi

and where it's like fake something. Yeah. Obviously that's not a real taxi. You want to be a taxi, but it's not an action anymore. Yeah, yeah. But like all the casting couch stuff. Yeah. How is any of that like footage from? Because presumably you have to have an interview like that at some point.

Or there's got to be some, or is it like, No, if you are in a situation where someone said you need to do the casting couch at Sarah room Because they're like obviously a yeah a dodgy motherfucker Right, they're quite explosive. Yeah, so it I think that I have some realistic ones like that out there But I've never come across I think that's more in the state or very low budget. You never work for nothing So you never pay someone some girls are paid people like what are you paying? Just people to see you seeing the porn. Yeah, pay for like the cast and all whatever I'm guessing. Yeah, it's people saying that they want X,

but expecting X times 10. Right, yeah, I understand. What does your training look like? What type of training? Like a gym routine. Yeah, I was like a mother. So we can see Chris was like, she's looking ready. FYI, FYI, if you have a look, like,

C&N, you are in fantastic, now. Thank you, I'm slouching the corner. I know you are, but like, you've done a lot of work, I think, over definitely since I've known you for the last three, four years, in terms of transforming. The biggest I've ever been is probably about a size 10, but I bought a little money five, four,

because I look quite curvy and I didn't like that, and I hailed a lot of war with it. So now I do the work, it wait like five times a week. Wait it's five times a week. Well push for legs or what? No I like I do everything separate so I chest but I don't like push and pull. It confuses me. I'm like what's done is yeah no I'm super says. So you do a body parts split with super says five times a week. I definitely did not expect that. Three to five and more five.

Because I'm separate in half of the minutes, there'll be like, if I'm doing three, it's because I'm working. Okay. Right. It's been at the minute and two and five. And so if you've got a trainer, are you following it? Yeah, I'm with a trainer guy, um, a Bradley Maxxett and MTK. Okay. And was that, was that your idea, you were like, I'm going to start taking it away.

So, at the minute, I'm not seeing him as much. I'm seeing him next, but I'm doing more at the gym because I'm wanting to fit to be so separate, but I always make sure I see him from my legs because that's when I can get a bit lazy for a little bit heavier. Is that the standard in the industry of like the porn stars or lift?

Well, lift weights or like, do people treat me like? There's a small group of girls that are really into the fitness, in the industry of like the porn stars all lift, well, lift weights or like, do people should like? There's a small group of girls that are really into the fitness, but the porn is so wide. There's a lot of girls that aren't, but a lot of men love quite big girls actually. So there's like, indeed, for everything but me personally, I feel better when I'm in shape.

So you like yourself to look the way that you look and you will then source porn that once you're looking that way? Yeah. That's why I'm sure that that's gonna be the best way to do it. Like, I know like, stand up and how you want to let us not like you look and you will then source porn that once you're looking that way. Yeah. That's why it's surely that's got to be the best way to do it. Like, you know, like, stand up and how you want to let us not let you have a film studio. Well, also, just about our fitness as well.

I mean, when you're a cowgirl and reverse cowgirl, like, you're like there, like this, like, five minutes, it's a lot of hard work. Try set. For 20 hours. Yeah. Do you do a lot of like bench dips to prep for that? I've got a lot of very bench dips at the minute, actually. That's quite impressive, I don't know the do you do a lot of bench dips to prep for that? I've got a lot of very bench dips at the minute actually, that's quite impressive, isn't it?

Are there any specific porn exercises you do? Like grip strength? Grip strength? You know, like those weighted neck things that like a porn thing? I reckon I'd be wicked, at all. I reckon you would as well. Yeah. I'll see you in your videos.

So, dude, like, yeah, do you do anything that is for work? No, do you know what I don't do anything work um work what's it called? Or is it oriented? So what would what's that one? Adductors? Yeah. They do. Who? And yeah. Yeah. Like this. Well you might have an incident. It's going to do an assessment later on. It's fun. So is there anyone that you don't tell that like, like, can't, it's quite hard to do? Yeah, it's quite hard to say this one. Is there anyone in your family or like friends

that you just don't talk about the subject with? Cause like, or are you bringing it? Like don't get me wrong, I'm not always going up to my civilian friends, I'm being like, hard to go chat, I too meant to do the blue the load all over my face and blah, blah, blah. Cause you're sparing them the like, No, just because there's not,

you don't always go up to your friend to say what happened in your job, do you know what I mean? I think I do. Yeah. I think you are wrong. You are wrong, like, yeah, he actually does. Yeah, yeah, and then, yeah. So sometimes it just, it is relevant to the conversation,

we're going with chat and then it just doesn't come up. But if the city, I mean, oh, what's going on in work today? I'm like, oh, this is what, this is what, 30 days of back to back DP, I'm on a training blog. Yeah, it is back to back. So, if it comes up. What is 30 days of back to back DP like? I might not be speaking DP,

I might not be speaking DP, but it's hard work and you're ass all at the end of it needs some time off. Yeah, I'll see. Yeah, I'll see, I'll see, and that's what I've talked about. With that, is it like, just you wake up in the morning,

I fucks it, like I really, really can't be asked to do that today. Do you have a half things like that or not? Yeah but you know what? Usually once you're on a set and like you're maybe get cuffed you're a red bull in your anti-beam, get your makeup done, you're chatting away, and then you're talking about this scene's going to be, you're kind of getting the mood for it because you want to do it. External accountability, crossfit model. You got reprimanded on Twitter recently,

you were saying just before, oh what happened to your Twitter account? I was basically asking about it, wrong good cheers again now, and I had my asshole out twice and I blasted someone's number at the internet. Can you please tell us about like it? I had my asshole out, because you're allowed asshole out. Yeah you are, but it was in my head and it wasn't my full asshole, so I like this little yellow thong on and you could see um the rim the rim and the other one happy about that sort of kick Be off some hot and the guys number yeah, no the guy get pestering me and he won't take the hint So I'll put his number on the insect book. This is my number seven minutes So they reported me so I got suspended

send me notes. So any reporting me, so I got suspended here. I'd love to see his blood. I love him for really. In Dr. and A to a tick. Like that guy is Mr. Tric by not making a big deal out of that. You're the fact you're getting you SIM card, I think. But you make a video about it and talk about it. Great content.

Great content, straight away. Yeah, it really annoys me. And then accidentally I'm gonna have to lie out again. I don't even realize it, so. Would you mean accidentally you had me last night? It was just peeping and saying hello for the song. It is discrimination. Some girls must have more visible assholes than others.

Well, the people have been banned from Instagram for having... I've been banned of Instagram too, and snapped you out of the hole, keep me off. Well, because that's in the mall. Well, because there's things like someone had a bit of blood stain on their bed from their period, and that was... They got their account banned on Instagram, because it was like... I have read things though, that they look into your DMs and stuff as well If your offering certain services, they could kick you off for that so it's not just picking up

Can't solicit through Instagram DMs Yeah, so I think that's what some where some girls or guys are good, right? I think they're soliciting and DMs So I've been told anywhere Tell you where Twitter just seems like the world There was one mental guy right on Twitter by friend here, that she got ears tucked down this guy, I was like, I'm reporting on you, porn starts to Instagram, you're all going to be taken down and I'm all going to get you all of the internet. It's not it, I don't know what's happened to it, we seem to have just got bored.

But yeah, I think some people are just there wanting to report, yeah? He's not doing any other men on the planet, a favour, is he? No, they're not assisting you. You get the planet a favor is he Yeah, you know I'm not a senior You get some my I have this guy that just messages me saying slag bimbo And then it like fucking get on webcam now slag bimbo I'll show you my emails off him Cafuma is that happened a lot like do you get haters just this one guy really? I just been doing it for you

54 million views one guy You mean one guy that's... Yeah, I don't know how many usually most people are quite sound to be fair. It is always a vocal, like we get one guy that always emails us. Like he's re-subscribing to our thing, just to be like. Just to see emails that just fuck off, nothing else.

Great. Johnny, more questions. If you were to be suddenly, or if you were to, how do I phrase this? If you were suddenly in charge of the porn industry, what would you change, or what would you do differently? The great questions.

Yeah, there's a lot of point point in these. I was being like, what's your favorite position? What would I change? I don't know, you know, it's's a tough one there's quite a few things that do need a change within it. I'd probably just say better race for the performances that is the main one but that's sort of being like resolved itself with these sites like only fan-toded Miami because that was the main issue is the low rates because of the piracy. So piracy was quite a big issue for us. And then streaming, that's streaming like pondhub.com is Spotify for artists, pondhub for

Pond stars, isn't it? Like they get paid so such low previously it's a fact to abort the album to listen to the music. Can anyone upload to pondhub? So this is a bit you think this model will have to do before we did used to get anything from them. Right. We didn't used to get a penny but now we can make our model profile and we can so people can find our profiles then pay and we can get money from it but before we couldn't have that. So say if they paid you so-so money for a seed that's all you've got of them and it wouldn't

be a pawn of it before the company who you worked for and then porn hub stole the content. So the way it was? The porn hub is like a bit like a lime wire or putlocker. Back in the day, that's interesting. But now that's what they're like. Now they're wanting you on side because you're making your own money. Yeah, so you can. So you got the agency over there. So it's changing for the good, that's it. I don't know whether you've seen, but on porn hub now they can meta tag the characters or the actors and actresses within porn videos so it'll be like in this particular video this person this person this person this person and then from that you follow through and it's got a bio of like each a performer and then within that it's all of the most recently uploaded videos

and then the most like artist pages. Yeah, and then must be ad revenue. You've got to upload your own videos now. So I'm trying to get my two pages linked at the minute. And then I'll upload on my home, my parents, on home, and get paid for that now. Do you know, is that kind of similar to YouTube ad revenue type thing? Like just watching.

I know I do about that. Got you. OK. How do you ever get exposed to like, because presumably, you're in a world where like,'s a line and then shit gets really illegal Really quickly? Do you mean are we talking about in person? I mean, I just mean like the sex industry on the internet Like when you're talking about sex on the internet, there's the legal side of it And then there's the illegal side of it where people are getting arrested and for having images and videos that they shouldn't have

Underrated stuff. Okay. Oh, God. Yeah. I've never had that. I just see that. There's, you seem really confused. I don't know what you're trying to say. Just how, like, how is there any reference to that? Like, did people acknowledge it or talk about it? Or is that nothing to do with, like, even though that's called pornography, that is not pornography. Totally separate. Yeah. We've got legal contracts All tested everyone's everyone's willing we'll do videos at the beginning saying I'm seeing a day I'm sober and I'm willing to do

You know what I'm doing at the beginning of everything right? So yeah, well for most of them So that sort of isn't pornography that's people exploiting certain Certain situations and then calling it pornography you know what I mean? I suppose in the media like films and things like that they portray some of it as girls It's not a set gocks, it's not a set going on there with underage girls or whatever they've gotten done it's someone exploiting them and filming it on the slides and it's not good for us.

You mean it's what you're also being like sex workers and stuff like that or people that are down on money and then they're just doing stuff for like 20 quid and someone's got the phone out. I just I suppose like I imagine that there's a But can you like must be this thing of like we need to make everything 100% legal all the time more than other They're actually trying to make every 100% illegal Squirtage talking something They're going the other way Why are you filming in Prague a lot.

That's just because that's where the production company is. That's just where a lot of production goes. I'm just going to read, actually it's Budapest now Prague's gone down in, I guess, the don't want to shoot there. I guess it's just because it's cheap, it's a lot of stunning girls there. It just seems to work out. I don't know, just how it is.

So have you got a YouTube channel or a podcast, like would you ever do non-porn content and then like take people over to like so where YouTube like you're not allowed to do anything that's you know against their terms. Yeah. But then like build a following on there and then move people over. Yeah yeah it's definitely something I'm looking to but you've just got to be so careful and when you saw used to being a porn it's kind of like I said to you, I'm like, what can I say? What can I not say? Like, I swear, I can't say this. It's quite hard to sort of like, would you get demonetised for saying sexual stuff on this? So this doesn't make, there is not a cat in Hell's chance that this episode is going to be monetised.

Right, interesting. I got demonetised for doing a video with the people that did a documentary about Madeline McCamp. Really? Yeah, so there you go. Okay. And yeah, given the choice between doing a podcast or doing YouTube, getting an exposure off that and just getting shagged for a day and putting it on porn hub, I'm going to guess porn hub is going to drive you a little bit more traffic. So until there was a period where you were like, I got some really fucking good to talk

about. I think it's good to have a lot of different ways to bring traffic in because we never know what's going to happen to one thing. It could just go. It could just go. Because if you had a YouTube channel, it's a different audience. And imagine it would be like, if you just did a series of Q&As with a porn star, I imagine you have loads of people that are interested in what is your life like. What are the same things?

Yeah, well that's how I got into porn into a YouTube channel. Was it? Yeah, that's what I've seen it on. So yeah, honestly, I really, really think that these are the people to take you online. How to get into porn, how to prep for anal, how to suck a dick. Yeah.

You know, we'll look at it. Guys, let's join forces. We've got a team of you. We've got video editing, high production, lighting, YouTube experts, like there's, what more could you want? Great refreshments. There's more stuff on Netflix. I feel like lately. Oh

NN. I see like team one porn and yeah, yes in all them. I feel like it's gone from being taboo to like you're bearing a man. These are gonna be They're not gonna get someone make a successful to do when porn ends other, you know, because porn will still be going It's not gonna get a lot of money. I'm a son at 65 still going away. Do you have a? Yeah, probably just not going to be interested. You're like, I've done wealth myself. Why do I have to answer this random documentary? I don't have to. So, but the people that are maybe a little bit not going to say better because I can't even remember the full thing, but maybe they're a bit of a more set of the industry. You're going to want the voices heard, aren't they? Is there like an age? Like, is there like if you're a professional

sportsman, you can like play it to an age? No, I've done scenes of mega old people. Right. What's the oldest person you've had sex with? Pretty old like We're talking like 50 16. No more six. What's six? Yeah, grandpa does teens. Grandfather's teens. And grandma. She get grandpa and grandma. But they look good, you know what I mean? They could speak a word of English because they're all Hungarian.

She had a hair as pussy ever. I'm actually not too bothered about it. It's just mental. I was cutting you, I was like, 23 and a half. Good looking. I don't think they got porn people. I think they were just horny old-swingers. Right.

How did they perform? Yeah, well, one was a B.J.C. and one was like, you just mean this grandma pussy looking. What was the first thing? B.J. Flood up. B.J. scene, right? OK, yeah, got you. Got you just mean this grandma pussy looking. What was the first thing? B.J. Flood job. B.J. scene, right? Oh yeah, got you. Got you, got you, got you.

So it's talked to me about fluffers. The fluffers exist. No. No such thing. So the guys just, I don't know the porn world. Stan. Yeah.

Love action. So it's just like, go crack on over the far side. Like with yourself. Yeah, go crack on. Yeah, you're on Flutter. Guy's take my efferves and like, like I said, a lot of them in check the dicks. What with?

Wow, fuck. I'm not too sure I'm not looked into it. It's the little guy I'm going to be. Really? It's into the penis. They don't have to be horny. That's the fin it just goes up. And sometimes they have to inject it to go down.

We have fixed bunkers. Well, I've had a lot of gavoscony in my pussy in my ass, and in my mouth. Gavoscone, this is minty as well isn't it? Yeah, probably like it is really. Great for harbourn. You know if you've heard a little bit, you know, heavy breakfast, yeah but then you have a bit gavascone once you've done. Maybe it's because we've done fluffers by guys from injecting now. I think, definitely, if you're as a girl, it must be easier to become a roused. Like, the level of a rousal that you need to be able to have as a girl. Yeah, realistically we can pop a bit of lube on, but still to have someone inside you,

you've got to feel comfortable because it is quite invasive. So you want to be comfortable, you're having a guy inside of you and it's going to be for a duration, you know, you want to be feel comfortable and in a good mood for it. It's not quite as simple as slipping, slapping a little bit of lube and crack on with it. Have you ever had to say like today it's just not happening? No, but I have walked off sets. Why are they walked off? If I just felt the company was up professional or if I felt they were pushing boundaries that I didn't necessarily clear with.

I tried bondage one time I'm absolutely here as I listen obviously. I'm not expecting payment if I'm walking off set Unless I felt like they were at fault and they're with my time that something like the bondage I was like listen I just can't do I don't like being tied up so I walked off that one another one Certain porn or you need one two three cameras to catch the angle. They were trying to do every thicker one camera I was on this and that I'm too old for the shit. So this was like a technical specific thing. Yeah, so it was someone trying to be a certain level but not having all the gear. You know, I've got a technical rider. You know, like artists and DJs they turn up and they say like I need to have two DJM like, I need a system of this particular size and they say like I need to have 2DGM and like go and check, check, check. Exactly, I need this PA system of this particular size and it has many microphones and it looks like output on the lighting.

Most companies are great though, they're so prepared and they're so fast and they're so just like on the board, everything. The lights are all be set up and stuff, they've got the camera stood there, they've got one moving, they've got the boom. Have you ever been hit off the boom? No, never. It's quite high, you know? It's quite open, it's bigger than this one.

Big boom. I've got it. I've just been independent podcasting and I've talked about the size of my boom. What are your thoughts on, like, there's been a TED talk recently and there's kind of this movement of this, there's very much saying that porn has this,

like, societal impact on young man and unrealistic expectations of sex and body image and not that realistic exposure sex, I'll turn here to see about that porn or what it wrote it. So we're in 10 Reef and each morning we'd have a coffee and on the final morning there was a knock on the door before I ordered a coffee and the room service guy was like, oh, he's a coffeeer, you see on a day, bear in mind, we're in like absolute slugware about to film like a three-lessbore fucking seed. And I'm like, oh right, thanks, can I have another one? And he'd come back up, I was like, do you want to film us, um, lessen off basically? And the guy was like, yeah.

And then he's like, I can so horny, can I one? And I'm like yeah treat yourself at the end of the bed if you're like this guy is I'm a one quite film nothing less than the way the hotel waiter yeah yeah just the waiter and then my friends that are wonking him off and letting him come on a tips so it's not that I'm realistic it can happen to you that's what what a situation when you start to and we have the video to prove it and sell. That's the beauty of it. And the guy that we know is not me. Did he sign a release? The guy was happy being in the video so you can just hear him in the background.

I mean that is a very specific example of like saying, oh it's not unrealistic. You could be the hotel... You could be in a business. I'm a French subdubbed of the Bellboy. Okay. In the same hotel. Yeah. I imagine if it was too big. I imagine if it was too big off the bell boy. Okay. In the same hotel. Yeah. I think it feels too good. I think it feels too good. I think it feels too good.

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I think it feels too good. I think it feels too good. I think it feels too good. I think it feels too good. I think it feels too good. her door was broken and she had sex with the guy from Home Depot that came around to fix it. Is there ever been like situation other situations like that? I have no idea. Drops some figure for me before that I give a blowjob to, but I knew off him, so it wasn't quite as if he was a stranger. But yeah, I need to get some more home DIY, don't I think. Actually, I need a more plastering for anyone's available. Link will be in the show in our house. Actually, I need a more plastering for anyone's available. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I don't want to be tired of really. Have you ever been tired of Jenny? No, no. Would you want to?

Well, no, I don't think so. I don't look at that and think. I don't think so. You're very trusted a lot, wouldn't you? Like, in case I'm not working, you're somewhere. I mean, you trust Beckett though. Yeah, you get what I mean. It just doesn't fill me with that's like something I want to try.

I just tell you guys, I won't keep it up. I just tell you guys, I won't keep it up. I just want to try it. Yeah. you guys on one came off at the weekend. Just a week ago. Yeah. Did you untie him? Yeah, untie him. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, he was alright. He was alright. I was alright. I was alright. I was alright. I was alright. I was alright.

I was alright. I was alright. I was alright. I was alright. I was alright. I was alright. I was alright. I was alright. I was alright. I was alright. Becca, we're not talking about that if you're listening. Have you, you love the kit? Yeah, I've got a couple of ropes. Great, so...

There'll need to be strong ropes. Strong ropes? Yeah, they're well, they're still 100 kilos, huh? Well, I suppose, I mean, if your hands are behind your back. What, would you get tied? Would you get tied? I did. Or something, or just tied up.

That's the thing, there's so many different ways to do it. The idea is, it just feels very hard, you do need to be like, you know. Final thing, so my last question, I really, really got asked this and shared a really interesting answer. Women in the porn industry, there's a lot of articles and stories going around that women in the porn industry aren't treated very well, that they're capitalized on, what's your capitalized on what's your vision or what's your sort of experience of being a female in that industry? I'm lucky I've only really had positive experiences but I feel confident myself to demand a level of respect within the industry and off people but I'm sure there's girls out there that maybe have been mistreated

but I don't feel like the by proper porn, like the top porn companies, I feel like it's probably by Lord Budgett men with a camera to try and get something out of a girl. Just a guy with a camera corner, yeah. So if there's some aspiring actresses out there that want to move into adult stuff, just stick to the big names, stick to it.

I would now, no, just even do your own shit. just sell your own content just build a follow-in on Twitter get your nudes out there get you know get people talking get your retweets good set up an only fan's picture to go on it's been like the market's been decentralized right now and then if you want to shoot for a company shoot for a big one that's gonna build your profile yeah so do take that. I'm sending people. Yeah. It's okay. So you got maybe not even fake taxi, maybe just go straight to browsers if you have

nice. I was going to say so if you were to design your own little prodigy spawn actress or actor. Yeah, going to my referral. Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, first off, you want to be a reseller on the account so you get a little bit of commission. But after that, you get them to do. I'm pimping now.

This is what it's come to. It is. It's kind of pimping. Brothers. Yeah. Brothers be top. It's brothers number one. It depends on the style. It's a really good complete shoot for. It's very very popular. Exposure. I want to get I'm a porn. I'm doing it for you. Actually, UK is definitely fake taxi, I think. But then and then browsers because they pay a good, they look after you. They're a good company to shoot for they got good Refreshments and hospital. Yeah, they do have good refreshments at hospitalism great, and then who's number three? Who would you put in the number three number three? Do this thing I like it in for angel, but that's a bit hard call. I want to know newbie

Do it okay, okay, okay now A guy from the industry that some listeners may know and a girl from the industry that you'd like to work with that you haven't or One that you have that you would like to work with again I don't know I really like to do is And the American Cox and Pussies because I've had a lot of the the UK talent now So let's think in the US Johnny sins. Devo. I think he looks like a great performer girls That's Fink and the US Johnny Sins, therefore I think he looks like a great performer um girls Rai Rii, she's amazing big name kisses Sins Adriana check it. Yeah, yeah, she's on the tattoo

Yeah, there's more girls the song is still in still in girls in there. There is a lot guys as well I'm feeling McBlee's good and who else is over there. It's hard to think of the top of your head Is it hitting off? It's hitting off still of your head because... Is it hitting off? It's hitting off still a big deal. Was it hitting off? I shot for him but not for... So he's got his own company right? Yeah, I shot for his website but not for him.

I'm tired of it because you sometimes remember the Twitter names or the Instagram names. So the weather's been sliding. Yeah, so you're kind of thinking what's the actual name? That's cool. So what's next? Obviously you've got this decentralized way that you're now earning your own money Which you're in complete control of. I go into the Berlin X-Biz, which is like a sex-born award ceremony for a certain like branch, I guess, called that X-Biz, I don't know the words for it, but that's gonna be a Berlin

Which would be quite good because Mingle with people, me some new people. I've got some content lined up for that. That's awesome, yeah Will you ever retire from porn? I'm not sure you're at one day. Yeah. I don't want to do it though, like, people are like, when you're going to retire a bit, I can just start out and to do milth stuff now and milth is such a great, like, category to get. You get away with milth stuff now. Yeah, because I've got fake tits. Do you have fake tits? Father's day card. Really? I've found this day card.

Yeah, that's nice. To soul subject, they call me 30 when I was 23. Oh, right. They're not really high. So you're doing milk stuff because you got big boobs. As soon as you have fake tits in porn, that's it. You could be a milk.

Well, I considered the young stuff as well. So I'm in a great place. So I can do the youngest stuff and the milk stuff. I think it's age-rated. Like, after you did, if you chose to retire, is there a concern about like, players that can do the the youngest stuff and the milth stuff. I don't know if he's age-rated. Like after you did, if you chose to retire, is there a concern about like what you would do afterwards or if you're not? No, I'm hoping I'm going to be at a players when I can retire that I won't need to worry

about a job afterwards. I have investments in the Bixenbob. If you've got your only fans up to like four figures like four thousand people plus. Yeah. That's a housey, yeah. That's a house deposit of your easy. Yeah. That's a housey, yeah. That's a house deposit of your easy. Yeah. That's true.

So once you've done, actually, I've got a fantastic accountant. I've got a great mortgage. Well, I need another one because mine got my busy middle neighbor on the my account for the past four years. Chris. I don't really just read that today. I know that you're listening. I know that you're listening, Chris.

I will be in touch tomorrow. I'll expect an intro email. You know exactly what I'm being in touch tomorrow, expect an intro email, you know exactly what I mean. Sienna, do not repeat, do not ring me and tell me... You got mental need. A board of threshold. Yeah, that you have gone over that poem threshold. Before we finish, any more questions, guys.

I think this has been fascinating. Yeah, it's been very interesting. It's been absolutely a pleasure. It's so weird to be in a room with like, I said, four men, cameras and clothes on. So you're just waiting for it to happen and just, it just isn't. Well, there's a penis that comes in through the door

and then just, wow. Nice, look at the car. It's a long, yeah, it is. Sienna, thank you so much for your time. If people want to follow, what social networks are you on? I'm back on everything. so shit, what is everything?

A Twitter is a day in Ciena. I do not harass her on Twitter or your number. You can't harass me, you can't sleep on my DMs unless I'm in yours. If you banned DMs now. I just have to follow them, I think. Okay, go ahead. My Instagram is another day in Cien because a day in CNA got banned. Don't bother a snapshot, I'm not on there no more, because I got a little worried.

I didn't even do anything bad, that's the thing, I just like to slide to tip-flash or something. And yeah, I don't know all my details from my only fans, my partner profile is on both them. Links in the show notes below. CNA, thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Thank you!