Modern Wisdom - #119 - Kelly Starrett - Getting Better At The Game Of Life

Episode Date: November 11, 2019

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Oh yes, hello friends. Welcome back to Modern Wisdom. My guest today is the one and only Kelly Starratt. CrossFit trainer, physical therapist, author and speaker, is book, becoming a supper leopard is one of my favourites on mobility and general fitness wellbeing. I'm super glad to get to sit down with him today. I get to ask him what are his thoughts on the most recent game changes documentary, which is definitely worthwhile listening to. His recent movement from MobilityWood, which is his old company, to The Ready State, which is the new vision that he has for that and why he felt it was needed. We talk about training, nutrition, sleep, his principles for how he makes sure that he's

constantly moving in the right direction with his health and his fitness. It's an awesome episode, super, super fortunate to have spoken to him. Thanks to Dr. Stuart McGill for linking me in with yet another fantastic guest. But for now, please welcome the himself, Mr Kelly Starrick, Kelly Welcome to the show. It is a pleasure to be back on the, I don't know, I can say it's a better side of the of the ocean, but I do have an affinity for the UK. Yeah, man. Well, you with me now, you're adopted for the next hour.

We're going to be talking about whatever we talk about. You can be British for a little while. Get a cup of tea out. Well, I really, what I'm going to need is a cup from the borough market and then also a sausage roll. So if you can make that happen, I'm in. That's like knowledge, but that's you dropping your peak UK knowledge bombs, isn't it? That was the most quintessentially British thing that I can think of.

It's a cup of tea and sausage roll. That's right. That's right. So how are you, man? It's awesome to see you again. I follow your stuff. I'm sure a lot of people that are listening will be as well. You guys been super busy recently. You know, here's a deal. We try to treat our thinking about human beings and our lives as a game you cannot win. All you can do is sort of play better and better and better.

and better and better. And to that end, if you treat your fitness, your wellness, your health, like a game of clear and clear, clear winners and losers, you know what all the rules are, you're full. I mean, that's the same in business, the same in raising kids. These are open-ended tasks. And we have always reserved the right to get better

and refine our thinking and to think differently and critically about the needs of the people we serve. And to that end, you know, we just applied that same amount of thinking to to our business. And what we we had is 10 years of experience helping people improve pain, helping people take a crack at moving more efficiently and more effectively on the things that they love. And what we're trying to get the physio and the doctor out of the conversation, because frankly, so much of this

of what we're working on is disruptive in the way that, hey, this is a part of the language of being a human being, the same way that you don't have to talk to any nutritionists when you have lunch, right? You don't have to talk to your doctor before you go to bed. I mean, it's crazy that you've divorced muscle-skilled or health and care and understanding from our environmental lifestyle selves.

And now we're trying to fix that. So what we realize is that people are a lot more clever than we have originally given them credit for. And I mean, we've always assumed that people are more clever, but I don't think that our traditional industries have necessarily. And to that end, we went ahead and rebranded and changed the user experience and user interface.

And we went from mobility wad, which was really confusing for people. Mobility now means nothing. And wad is a technical term that has been co-opted by lots of companies like sobriety w wad and faith, wad and mentality, wad. And then I'm really felt like what we were doing was trying to help people in the context of their lives get as ready as they could for whatever they want to get ready for. And I've been talking about this notion of this ready state, which is sort of saying, you

can't live in a, you're not a monk, you have family obligations and private, in previous history of injuries, and maybe you played a sport, and maybe you have a job that forces you to stay awake sometimes in hot hours. So how can, how ready can we get you, and what can we control? Which is really a different idea around,

hey, I've got a box of a hundred things, and if I don't check off my list of a hundred things, I'm somehow a failure, and I haven't biohacked or optimized and instead we're saying, hey, look, let's play a more beautiful game. And that was really the birth of the ReadyState. That's awesome. I mean, a lot of people will be familiar with mobility words. I think you're right.

The opportunity for you to expand out from a term which is obvious but perhaps a little constrictive in that mobility just focuses on that to the ready state which is something that seems a little bit more holistic. So how would you define the difference between what you were doing before and what you're doing now with regards to what you provide? Well, you know, I think people forget that when we started this project to what you provide. Well, you know, I think people forget that when we started this project, you know, ten years ago, you know, the iPhone didn't have a video camera. So, you know, YouTube was a nascent emergent thing. And you know, we were on blogger, it was a original platform.

And you know, we didn't set out to make a library that ended up looking and feeling like the out library of Alexandria with 4,000 videos ahead. We set out to raise the bar and give people the tools to be able to take your crack and fixing themselves and making themselves feel better and improving their movement efficiency. And one of the things that I think is in there, it's confusing for people is mobilizing is a tool to restore your position. And for example, one of the reasons I don't think stretching ever really took off,

I mean, we've been known to stretch your whole life, your football coach, maybe stretch, et cetera, et cetera. But athletes don't do things that don't work. And when an athlete perceives poor value, poor return on value, they drop it out. And we saw that. And of course, stretching can be a large and nebulous term, but what we saw was, we came out of a physio, but I'm a coach first. And if you ask me, sit me down there,

but I'm going to say I'm a coach. And then I'm like, I'm also a physio. And into that end, part of the magic of what we're trying to do here is always to say, look, it's movement first. And our movements, cues come from the magic of what we're trying to do here is always to say, look, it's movement first. And our movements, cues come from the language of gymnastics and powerlifting and Olympic lifting and body weight control. And there's a lot of queuing and understanding around sport that these coaches have discovered what is the best expression of human physiology. What are the shapes that are the most powerful? What are the positions and skills and cues that give us the most robust and most stable person. And underlying that then is that mobilizations really end up

for us becoming position transfer exercises. If you can't put your arm over your head, that's a problem. And no matter how much compensation you do or imagine what thing you do, if it's a tissue restriction, that's a tissue restriction and people get stiff. That's okay. So what are the tools to restore that? So that's the piece. But the first half of two thirds of SEPLE LEPPER is really about how to move and move more efficiently and then tie these movement principles in the foundations of strengthening and issuing. And when we begin to layer on additionally, in the fact that, you know, the gym is the greatest place on earth to work on your weaknesses, to work on painful positions, to talk about

nutrition, sleep, and stress, to be a member of a tribe and community, to be seen. We have all the aspects of the biopsychosocial model, which people have been saying, oh, we've got to look at, it's not just your knee, it's how you exist in society. And I'm like, no, crap. got to look at, it's not just your needs, how you exist in society. And I'm like, no, crap. What do you think we do at the gym? If you show up and you're a hot mess because you haven't slept and you've been newborn and you're super stressed, that's immediate to us.

And that's part of this language of conversation. When someone's injured, we keep them engaged in our community. We don't cut them out of their tribe. Like we keep them as part of their community and so that they feel safe, they feel secure that they're still a member of a group and we still exercise and we talk about nutrition. So what's really happening is that you know it's easy for people to say even in the term mobility people think oh if I'm squatting that I work in my mobility I'm like no you're just squatting right right? Ultimately, what we're saying is, do you have full access to your physiology as a human being?

Yes or no? And then what are your tools to maintain that? And then optimize that. And we're gonna have to talk about your tissue quality. And we're gonna have to talk about all the other things that manage you in the context of your life. Guess what?

That's called strength and conditioning. That's called getting my four-tonural team of swimmers ready to compete, right? Homework, stress, boys, it doesn't matter what the demands are. Ultimately, we're trying to recognize that human beings are existing in these lives. And the things that we sort of present on Instagram is a false reality of what's possible and the way we should be living. So what are the minimum effective doses? And more importantly, how do I get people to be able to feel when they're out of position or they need to change or have something hurts?

So they actually have a plan because people got very sophisticated about their eating, they're very sophisticated about their training, but they're not sophisticated about recognizing that bringing your need to your chest is the root component of squatting or kettlebell swings. Yeah, it's interesting you talk about the biopsychosocial model when it comes to a gym. I recently did a podcast with Douglas Murray who wrote The Madness of Crowds and in that

he identifies the fact that we've had this loss of grand narrative as he calls it. The fact that the modern era might be the first generation of people who have no reason or no idea why they're on this planet. We've had a drop away with regards to religion, the typical community that you would have had locally has now been opened up because people can make connections online. We no longer have such quite typical jobs for life anymore, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I often think about myself, the fact that I enjoy training so much. I've enjoyed exercising since I was a kid. And I feel so fortunate that that is a pathway and a mechanism which is inside of me, because if I didn't have that, if I wasn't able to go to the gym and I didn't have the

support structure of the people who are at the gym and people who are like me, they have similar interests to me, they want to make themselves better, all that sort of stuff. If it wasn't for that, I'd be half the human that I think I am. That outlet, that support structure, everything, it is more than just the movements that you're doing in the gym, it's everything else. And I think that really helps to compensate for what we might be seeing with this loss of gran narrative. And you know, we try to remind people, so for example, you know, we have,

I'm looking at a coach who's been coaching here for 12 or 13 years. We've grown up together. You know, we, if we're in a class together, I take her class, takes my class, we still shake hands like it's the first time. And part of that is being seen. Part of that is saying, hey, I see you and I appreciate that we're here together.

And that announcement, so we shake hands every single time, even in people that I've been training for over a decade, coaching for over a decade, right? We've been coaching me. We still pretend like it's the first time. It's also maybe the only time where people are getting any unconditional positive regard. You know why I think training in a group is so important. And while the gym, the traditional gym is, look, I don't care what your reason is for your health and training and whatever, but that gym is isolating and lonely.

And the short story is that human beings are what's most important. And when we spend more time with other human beings in a way where we're supporting and coaching, for example, one of the things that sometimes I've heard in the past is that coaches don't like athletes to self-coach. And I'm like, that's nonsense. The idea is to be able to have people be so competent that they can have these really tight feedback loops

and mechanisms within the structure of the group training environment. So it's not one coach shouting, it's coaches and athletes having these small conversations and self-correcting and making modifications and being party to a greater conversation. We always get back together, I always point out a star baker in the class, which is actually the truth,, you're the star baker. You know, what's that British baking show? The Great British Baking Show, you know what I'm talking about? The Star Baker.

Yeah, from the Great British Baking Show. I mean, so what are people bringing in cupcakes or is that the performance of the day? No, that's the person I thought was moving the best or you know, showed up, right? And so we have this notion where we also look each other and, we're like, good job. And someone someone is recognize your effort. And we try to build these feedback loops, which are, you know, cognitive social feedback loops were just as important as making gains on your squat,

right? What we want people to recognize is this has to be the only place where you can completely fall on your face. The gym is the only place where you can completely fall on your face. The gym is the only place where you can show up trashed and say, I'm here and you're going to be safe. You can expose your weakness, you can expose your own injury, your ability to generate force, breathe hard, even your range of motion is a moving target. If you don't believe me, let's go take a red eye and we'll fly across the country, you know, fly across the ocean and we'll measure you the next day and see how you do. And you're going to see that you're crap. And that's okay. And so what we want people to recognize is that the

training stimulus is also the diagnostic tool. How am I feeling? What's going on? How does this fit into the context? And I, if I'm a maintenance trained physiotherapist, which is an Australian model of manual therapy and thinking about a systems approach to the body. But the original maintenance model is I would see someone for an injury three to five times a week. Can you imagine that? Seeing a five times a week. Imagine, in fact, the follow up questioning is like, well, how did you feel after the first hour after I saw you? How did you feel after the first 12 hours? And that had you for the first thing in the first hour after I saw you? How did you feel after the first 12 hours?

And that had you for the first thing in the morning. Because I'm seeing in the next day, those feedback mechanism is really tight. And then my treatment would be predicated on the next thing. Who, what medical professional do you see five times a week? You don't. You have to have something very wrong with you to be seeing your medical professional five times.

You're in hospital, right? That's right. And we're having a different conversation. But you might see your coach, are you training called this three to five times a medical professional five-time. You're in hospital, right? That's right. And we're having a different conversation. But you might see your coach, are you training called this three to five times a week, right? So we have to reconceptualize who's in charge, who owns pain. How do we recognize that, hey, this pain is a normal experience of being a human being.

It doesn't mean I'm injured. But also, night sweats, dizziness, fear of vomiting, nausea, unaccountable weight loss, weight gain, change to the barbell function, night sweats, dizziness, fever, vomiting, nausea, unaccountable weight loss, weight gain, change the barbell function, right? Commonly, problem and cough, things are swallowed. Those are red flags. And everyone in our gym can smell out that, hey, I don't think you're just so, or you've got something going on, you've got a fever and there's some, let's go get talked to medical official. Also, you can't occupy your wrong society, you can't do your job, can't play your role in this team, or there's a bone sticking out of your leg

or you've got rabies of the knees. You are injured and you need to get out of here. And the rest of it though, our coaches own it. Our staff owns it, our athletes own it, right? That it's a normal experience to come in with the patina of injury, with the fact that you're stiff or you came out of a bad soccer match when you were 14 and that ankle gets stiff sometimes or you've just overdone it because you're a meathead

and you're, you know, and she loves to do back-to-back trathlons. That's totally fine. But in this place, we actually have one safe place. And to your point, it may be the only way that I'm not on in jail. I'm not on drugs because I figured out that I could self-medicate with exercise and I found a community of people that said, I'll be there for you no matter what. That's the new church. I think it is. I think it is. And I feel very sorry for people who do not have that natural pull towards exercise. To your point about the gym on its own, this is something I've mentioned about before,

but some of the listeners, it was a long time ago, I first brought this up, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it as well. So I came up with something when I was probably around about 26, 27, and I called it the fitness menopause. And what it felt like to me was a change in my body, what my body was there to do and it may meant that I'd spent eight years training purely for aesthetics. All I was bothered about was going into the gym, steeping in my own neurosis as I had the headphones in, I'm looking in the mirror

talking to myself despite being in a gym surrounded by people not talking to any of those people except for me, have you finished on that bench yet can I take your plates blah blah. And then very quickly I think as I was like at 27 28 and as you begin to approach 30 you become chronically aware of your own mortality. You're also a little bit less bothered about maybe purely training for aesthetics so I decided to make the change. I switched across to CrossFit and as a byproduct of that bizarrely my condition got better. I switched across to CrossFit. And as this byproduct of that, bizarrely, my condition got better. I actually ended up in better condition than I'd been before because I was enjoying my training. But my body's makeup, my body composition was no longer the purpose for my training.

I'd externalize that to my performance. And so many people, so many of my friends now, I'm seeing that I've been like, maybe little Instagram stars or whatever of the UK, bro lifters, and they get to 27, 28, 28, I'm thinking, I'm watching my watch going, it's fucking coming, it's coming for, and then sure enough, bang, they start doing Parker and five Ks on a morning,

on a Sunday morning, every single Sunday they're doing that. Darren who's one of my buddies is doing that. Another one of the guys, they'll start doing some swimming, a lot of guys I'm doing, and I'll do an open water swimming because they've found some pole through that as well. And it's so interesting that you have this move away from what is essentially bolstering perhaps a lack of self-confidence or obviously it is exercise.

But what that made me reflect on was so many people, especially young guys, particularly, they take a route to bodybuilding. Their first port of call because the barriers to entry are so low that people spend their entire lives doing snatch and a clean and jerk. That's it, whole athletic career.

Take me into a gym. I can do probably a moderately competent bicep curl within about two minutes. Like, it's so simple, right? And I just, you know, that was something that I'd thought of a long time ago. And I really do applaud CrossFit and these more public weightlifting gyms that are now coming across to the UK as well for creating a community that forces people to talk. If you're doing

a partner workout, you have to talk to the person that's with you. No one trains in a CrossFit gym with their headphones in. Everyone's talking, you know? No, you know, it's important to recognize how that that is not a sustainable model, right? That going put your headphones in, put your head down, taking selfies. It works for a minute, but also it's you inherit the system. And what you're seeing is that people are products of an environment, the products of a system. And it takes a minute to to ways your consciousness.

And and people come to that consciousness at different phases. So here's an example. My daughter, Georgia, is 14. She plays varsity water polo. She, you know, has grown up and if you've ever watched a video, Georgia's in the videos, right? And she doesn't have school on Friday. And she said, is, hey, can we go into the gym with my mates? I'd like to go jump into a class. So I've been waiting for 14 years to heard it say that. And it takes a minute to plant the seed. It takes a minute to look around and say, hey, is there a better way?

And this model of training on the internet, it's nascent, it's developing. It's less than 15 years old. And the notion of sort of sharing ketobels is very Russian. And if you came out of a track and field tradition, if you came out of, you know, ketobelists or ketobel traditional or an Olympic tradition, you had training partners and engaged in a training hall and a training environment. And that was because you just lucked into a community that already engaged in and valued these things. This is how we get together, how we train.

You know, in the United States, I think we have a complicated relationship with American football. Right. And one of the reasons that's complicated is we recognize that it's dangerous and it's potentially splits our socioeconomic lines. But the reason I have come to believe that it still exists is it's the only time that young men in America were ever on a team, ever, where they were ever, you know, it didn't matter what your size was,

there was a role for you, it didn't matter what your capacity was, it was a role for you. And even if you were a backup and you just supported the teams with scout offense, scout defense, you're still such a valuable member of the team and it's painful and you hurt together.

And those things are one of the reasons that this small group training or being in a running club or swimming group really, really matters. And again, to your point, hopefully we'll all see that there is a better way. And the world has changed. We try to remind people that when we started this thing, this November is our official 14th year being a gym, 14 years. And we started a year before that. So, you know, we've been doing this for a minute. Have you managed to hold on to your same affiliation

from the very start? Are you still paying like $300 a year or whatever it was like $2 20 a year? It's 500 $500 a year. Well, that's probably about like 3,500 less than most gyms that are opening now You know and you know, we we took you know, we're now officially the 21st cross of the world and I'll tell you the style of training that we do It's core values remain the same as 15 years ago. The difference is we are so much more sophisticated. Why? Because we've all evolved.

Because we now are hanging out with way more Olympic athletes and exposed. And so the training, but the core value is that we show up. We train together, we play together, we compete together, right? We expose faults. Everyone is down. One of the things that I, for example, I try to do with a lot of coaches is I, this is my mother-in-law. Do you know what's her name? There she is.

Hey. Right. 72. 75 in March. Oh, 75 in March. Oh. at my gym swinging catabals and and after. So that's right. So, you know, the short story is we're getting better and better at tweaking, refining, training. I tell my remind people, hey, look, you couldn't buy a catabal in San Francisco 15 years ago. We had to drive down the Santa Cruz. We had

to drive two or three hours of my ketobols in the entire city. You know, Diane Foo was an incredible Olympic-lifting coach. She and I used to drive to South San Francisco to train with the only Olympic-lifting coach in the city named Jim Schmitz. You know, and we were in this basement and you couldn't buy Olympic-lifting shoes like the world has changed.

You know, I'm sitting here and looking at one of my staff and who was at all American hammer thrower in track and field. And he grew up snatching. He grew up over at squatting. We did not. And we all came to that late.

And 15 years ago, I'm like, you know, people like over at squat, so I'm like, what were you over at squatting 10 years ago? Oh, you weren't. You're doing cable crossovers. And you were doing what, you know, what muscle and fitness told you told you to get bulky and now it's okay for us to say we're a little bit better but the core value is hey human performance

high performance has told us this is our the best ways to eat and fuel here's the best ways to down regulate and recover here's the best ways to feel connected to other human beings here's the best ways to warm up here's the best ways to look connected to other human beings. Here's the best ways to warm up. Here's the best ways to look at your minimums. And I'll be honest, I really feel like physiotherapy is chasing and even medical professionals chasing what strength-in-dition now has become, which is a really complete physical practice and a place to remedy the holes in people's lives by making them give them a member of the tribe, and then also developing practices which are super sustainable. I mean, no one in here is ever too skilled a squatter. You know, as you get older, you care a little bit less. I mean, I just be out of my deadlift not very long though. I'm 46 years old. It's taken me this long to understand deadlifting.

Like, now I feel like, oh, I really understand what I'm doing before as. It's taken me this long to understand deadlifting. Like now I feel like, oh, I really understand what I'm doing before as a kid. I was just doing it, right? And so what's nice then is we should be able to continue to then engage in a model we've always believed in, which is let's make performance and training that just circus. Let's make it matter so that we can go back to our children, we can go talk to our mother-in-law about eating more vegetables and fruits and trying to sleep more and drink less alcohol

and manage what you can manage, because we know, to your point, we're gonna be 110 years old. That is on the horizon. And if you can get to 60 or 70 today, chances of you being 100 are very, very good. And, you know, the idea now is if you're going to be a hundred years old because of modern medical technology, because of the way we can keep people alive, I mean, you've all had said it all.

I mean, you know, we are going to be a mortal here in a second, not immortal, a mortal, right? And that means we need to be thinking about this much longer game. What does it look like when I'm 40 and 50 and 60? What is my physical practice look like? How do I take care of mine? How do I keep care of brain? All those things are going to have to be part of our conversation because we're not going to die when we're 60 and we're going to continue to work and want to train and play. Yeah, so I did a podcast with Dr. David Sinclair from Harvard Medical School, and I asked him the question,

do you think humans will ever live to a thousand years? And he said, yeah, eventually we're going to get there, which was an interesting answer. I mean, if you PR and you deadlift at a thousand years old, that would be interesting. So yeah, I totally get it, man. It is, I wonder how many people that really need to start having a passion with regards to fitness and training have been brought into a gym like yours and have found a passion

that they never really thought that they had before with this community that they've got going on. And one of the things that strikes me, I've spoken Dr. Quinn Henneck from Juggernaut Training Systems. I've spoken to Mutual Friend of ours, Dr. Stuart McGill, I've spoken to Brian Carroll. On the last week, had the guys from Strong First on as well. And everyone is constantly updating that OS. Everybody, all the time, they're always learning new things

and integrating them and stuff like that. So over the last 10 years or so, actually how long has it been? It's seven years, something like that? Six years? Cool. So, since that's come out, what would you say are some of the headline changes or new pieces of information or new philosophies that you've found with regards to either training or mobility, new information you've come with regards to either training or mobility and your information you've come across, anything coming to mind?

Well, you know, I think what we got a lot right up front. And that was because that wasn't not based on thousands and thousands and thousands of hours of experience in grad school and lifetime being an athlete and all the coaches and the go. I had Stortley Gills book in the Lou when I was a physiostate and I read it cover to cover 20 times. He's the real deal, man. He's the real deal. And so I think one of the things that we've realized is, hey, we need to package this. So it's easier for people. We need to make sure that they're not missing components.

We've been talking about breathing forever. It's in the first notes of I ever put out. And of course, I started teaching in 2008. But realized there was even more low hanging fruit around how we can use the breath to deregulate, or use the breath to find the limits of the range at the fullest breath and the smallest breath. And we can use breathing to assess our ability to get into good positions and even pressurize

from accident lifts. So I think what we've done is realize that, hey, there's some things that are less effective. There's some mobilization that just don't do a lot of because we just don't need them, right? They haven't solved a lot of problems for us, and there are things that we've found to be a lot more effective. And so what, over time, you know, you strip away what is essential and we've continued to do that. So, you know, BFR, left low restriction occlusion training was not really a thing 10 years ago. Of course, it was.

Katso has been around forever, you know, realizing what a powerful tool it was, the tools of being able to desensitize and how we've thought about who's responsible for paying. That's a big deal. How do I have a gym for 400 people to be able to make themselves feel better and giving those tools so that they can take those back to moms and dads, the kids and tech. They become the combat medic in a safe and a safe and responsible way. But what we've done is we're really reconceptualized sort of the role of the physio and the medical

professional and the role of the coach and the athlete and the person. And what we're seeing is that they do overlap, of course, but there's a lot more from the coach person side who they're just capable. And the world has changed. So, you know, people are cooking their meat on the bone and eat in collagen again. And, you know, the, you know, we're seeing people actually move away, believe it or not, from protein shakes and protein bars

to back to this thing called food. It turns out, who to thought it? It's better for you. Oh. So, some of it is that we're all engaged in a grand experiment. And the greatest thing that's happened is this fundamental notion amongst the masters, like McGill, is test retested share.

You'll see that the brightest minds on the planet never throw shade. They don't attack people's techniques. They're like, hey, what problem are they trying to solve? Is that a better tool than the current tools that I have? And what's nice about that is you stop, this is my dance space, this is my home-to-hard style, and we get about the business of solving problems.

And it's okay to have different tools and tactics. That's okay to disagree on that. But you need to start showing your work like for example right now There's this team. There's little World Series going on and I currently work with only two teams in professional baseball One of them is the nationals and the other one is the Astros and they're both playing each other But and I'm not saying I have any part to do with that But it's pretty fun that I get to test my principles at the highest levels of baseball. Nick Gill is the head strength edition coach for the All Blacks. They're doing pretty well in the World Cup right now.

They've been using our stuff and ready state for a long time, right? Nick's a good mid of mind. Do I have anything to do with their success? No. but I get to test my theories and principles against them and see if I can support them and make them more efficient. So at some point, I need to see your Olympic medals, I need to see your associations, I need to see what groups you're in, I need to see how you think of public health. I need to see that you, one-on-one is great, but that I'm interested now in this notion of social justice and do your models and an idea of scale. Because if we can't begin to walk this back to high school and walk it back to middle school and walk it back to elementary school, then we're just perpetuating the same old bullshit that we've done where people show up poorly prepared,

down-regulated, eating like crap on the internet, not in a physical culture, not tied to a group of people, and then we start backing out of that, and that's a much more difficult conversation. So, you know, this has got to be about public health. This has got to be about, you know, this has totally cheesy, the original valve, the building's off, it's like, dude, if you're a coach,

you're working to make sure that all people are better movers, better athletes, better people, that's the central turning of the coach. It sounds like, and I will say that the best athletes and the best coaches in the world all are on that vibe. They're like, they'll call you up, you can call them up, they'll help you. No, there's no shit talk amongst the best because there's too busy working. I couldn't agree more.

Having been very fortunate to have shared either oxygen or bandwidth with some of the smartest people on the planet over the last 18 months. Everyone that I speak to is they're so concerned with trying to come together with even me to walk away from the conversation knowing more than they came into it. Absolutely everyone has this insatiable hunger for improving themselves and the people that are around them. Like, Stuart McGill doesn't, I asked him before I was saying, Oh, I'll, I'll, I'll took a photo together. I'll tell you on Instagram and blah, blah. And I was like, Oh, you might, you might see it once it goes up and he's like, I don't, I don't have Instagram. I don't do this. All that he's concerned about, all that Dr. McGill's bothered about is trying to focus on his work and do the thing

that's in hand. And yeah, the best guys in the world, they don't do that. We live my particular industry to zero some game. It's a very, very small market, about 10,000, 12 to 15,000 people. And it means that if someone is going to your event, they're not coming to my event and vice versa. And I'm seeing that kind of mentality globally. It's like there's seven billion people. There are enough to go around. It's a scarcity mindset. And, you know, and the internet is a confusing place.

You know, I go on Instagram and really try to understand what I see. And I see a lot of Jim Fuckery. I see a lot of waste of time. And that's okay. I'll never comment on it, time. And that's okay. I'll never comment on it, right? And it's not that I think that, you know,

we can't be more efficient, more effective, but I really try to understand what problems people are trying to solve, and then evaluate critically what's happening. And it takes a minute, it takes context. You have to show your associations. We want you to talk about, you know, the people who are influenced

you and where you came from. And it's OK. It doesn't make you less. And that's OK. This is a new-ish market. It's a new field. It's only been around for 10 or 15 years, which it really has. It's going to take a second for those things to equalize.

And the cream will always rise to the top. We saw, we listened to Jay-Z talking about excellence, right? And he's like, that's the finish of excellence is performing at a high level for a really long time, like a decade. And being hot means that you're really popular for a year or two. He's like, and those things are not conflated. They're not the same thing. And so we see a lot of people get hot,

and it's super hard to be around for a decade. Mike Boyle has been around a long time. He must be doing something right, or he's managed to fool 10,000 people. Because it's the same thing. And the thing is, are we that dumb that we can't tell that something works or doesn't work? Is that what you're selling?

And it may be that this is all placebo and belief effect, and I'm like, wow, you know, that's a lot of gold metals and a lot of natural beings affected placebo. And I'm willing to say that, you know, but I'm also willing to say, is there a better way? Show me a better model. And show me your rationale for that thinking that way. And that's okay, it's okay to disagree on those things,

but I need to know your rationale, but you shouting at me on the internet is nothing. My dad's always had, my dad's always had the saying which is, form is temporary, class is permanent. And I think that that kind of epitomizes what you're talking about there. And you write as well the fact that it is so easy for people on the internet to throw shade. Like anyone can criticize because you have to build, it's a law of entropy, right? It's much easier to break something and it is to build it. Well, you know, you guys, this thing going on

and a little Brexit right now, what's everyone's talking about, right? And it is easy to be an opposition party. It's much easier. It's much more difficult to go in and work at an organizational level or a systems level. Well, you can come in and do your grassroots, gorilla. I'm special.

This is my secret school program, but I'm gonna be more interested when you start to take a swing at improving from the top down and at the whole thing. And I think it's crucial that you can show your associations and that your models work across cohorts. So this isn't a, you know, this is someone else's thinking, but a good model is explanatory, explains what you're saying.

It's predictive, it predicts what's going to happen, and it's repeatable, right? You can communicate it. And so if I watch someone teach a coach, does it explain what I'm seeing? Is it predict what's gonna happen if this person runs or moves its speed under load and can lots of coaches communicate it and understand it? You know, so we start with that.

And then the other pieces, for me, it's got a hold through that I don't teach children one thing and Olympic athletes and other thing. It's all a continuum of skill and ability, of complexity, that, you know, the things that I'm working on, you, every human being should go to flex and extend their spine, right? And if I, everyone should be able to run and cut and jump and play frisbee. And so if I'm teaching one skill for fitness, but another skill for actual

expression of fitness, then that ends up being a really confusing idea. So we need to be able to explain phenomenon across cohorts, across ages, across templates. And because the internet has connected so many coaches and so many, so many movers, we can see what first principles are. And more importantly, we can see what first principles are, and more importantly, we can see what first positions are, what first patterns are. And then that's got to be mutually accommodative right on top of what the physiology says is a better expression of the position. And it's got to explain gymnastics, and it's got to explain a little good thing, and it's got to explain running, and swimming.

And what's nice about that is it's the same shoulder over the last 10,000 years. People have been thinking critically about getting more out of the human body for as long as there have been humans. As we are obsessed with being better than ourselves and we always happen. Alexander invaded Afghanistan in like 50 BC. Like are you telling me that they weren't talking about food and logistics and paying people,

people have been sophisticated for a long time. And just because we're modern and we have this internet and like you and I are talking to each other via sorcery, doesn't mean that someone hasn't been thinking about how to go faster. So, you know, when you drop into yoga and you're like, wow, this is really clever. Yeah. And Joseph, Joseph Pilates wasn't fucking around, you know. And if he was still around today, he would have advanced his practice. So when you see a system or methodology that is stuck in tradition and doesn't take into information

and can translate, then it may be valuable. But for me, man, I wish I had 50 Russian STEM units. They're great, but I don't. And that doesn't scale when I'm working with a bunch of teams and that doesn't scale. So, so now for me, it's valuable to say, hey, does this whole truth? And then can I shake my thinking up and down, same principles to talk about public health at Google, to talk about low back pain at Google. Why, why do we have to say it's totally okay to have crappy posture and posture is fine and posture is even matter and you can do whatever you want.

I'm like until you need to swim or take a breath or rotate or throw a ball or put your arms over your head. So why don't we just make your base position, the position of being a more functional human being, right? Sure you can do that. You can be a demi person and I'm not even talking about pain. I'm talking about output and function. So quit, you know, there's no more complex structure in the known universe than the human

brain. That's it. You have a Brit there named Adam Rutherford, who is the greatest writer about genetics, and that's his phrase, the human brain is the most complex structure in the known universe. Attached to a physiology, that is robust and tolerant and, and, and, and design for survival and adaptation. But we've got to get beyond, it's okay now because it doesn't hurt and it's not costing me anything into, are you going to be a hundred years old and you're going to be stuck bent? Because that's, that's shit sucks. That's what's going to happen. And, and. And it will be too late for me to be like, I told you.

50 years ago, I told you. Have you watched the game changes documentary? No, but I have had a lot of conversations about it. Right, okay. Have you got any intention to watch it? Yeah, you know, we should watch it because I think one of the things that we're seeing right now is people are very, you know, nutrition comes very confusing.

I just read an article about that Chris Crestor put up about just being keto, right? And carnivore based. And I think what's interesting when you look at our traditions, we've always eaten plants and whatever very protein sources are available to us. I think the human being is tolerant to be able to burn whatever it wants to use whatever it wants. I think that what we've seen is that people love to go keto or carnivore because they can be lazy again and then just take supplements to make themselves better, right? So if I am having to exercise and then I have to do all the supplemental work, there may be some issues with my movement practice. If I'm eating a certain way but don't get enough B vitamins or essential facts

and I have to add them in with a pill, that can be another thing. We also need to separate out potential drug use and endobalcus. We need to separate out and not always use context. So the historical context, can you imagine what the quality of the meat was when the gladiators are finding? And maybe they found out they didn't get sick in that context. So we're like, oh, gladiators don't eat meat. I'm like, well, think about the Roman meat population problem, right? So I think what's interesting, if you look at Kate Shanahan and her book, Deep Nutrition, you'll see that there are fundamental principles to the way people eat, and have always been so. I think you can turn up and down the dials of how much protein you need. It's difficult. The fastest way, people are like, Kelly, I need to lose weight. I need to lose muscle. We get this conversation sometimes, and I know that's madness, right?

Yeah, I was going to say, who is that? Give it to me. So you're too big, and I'm like, no problem. Here's what you're going to do. You're going to become a vegan and I'm going to get you on a bike and we're going to bike two hours a day and you're going to be a vegan. And I guarantee you, you will blow through your musculature very quickly on that, that regimen. And now we have all these protein patterns and processed foods that allow us to have

multi protein sources that are vegetarian based. Ultimately though, absolutely a choice like religion to eat the way you want. But what you're going to see is that people have been eating awful for a long time, not eating meat, right, not eating the flesh of animals. We've been eating the animal itself. We eat organs. We connect the tissue. We don't eat steaks, right? So something's weird there. We eat the whole animal, eat the brain, eat the eyes, eat the organs, right? You crack the bones, eat the marrow. You ate all of the, you know, plant matter you can get into your hands, what was available to you. And what you'll start to see is that we awful, we drink home

dairy if it's available to us, you know, we cook our meat on the bone We don't you know, we try to get as many different kinds of vegetables as you can and so when you come in Imagine that You have an athlete who's been eating protein shakes and in and out burgers and sausage rolls and all the sudden They start adding a ton of plant-managed to their diet and guess what happens? They feel better gut bound biome turns on, energy goes up, they lose weight because they're not eating this glorically dense processed foods, they're eating plants again. That seems pretty reasonable to me. But then I'd say let's put our money where our ethics is

and our, you know, if you're a 22 year old kid trying to survive, you may have been willing to afford the really cheap eggs and the bags of frozen chicken, which is like, I'll put in quotation marks chicken, right? As you get older, you were like, hey, I can put my money into this animal that has a name, is bastard, right? That is a sanitary source that I'm closer to my meat. I eat from this. Like, there's a whole lot of variability there.

So, I think what it proves is, man, are we eating as well as we're eating? What is the basis? And then the second thing is, I need to see what the experiment looks like at 20 years, 30 years, and 40 years, right? And I'm gonna need to see your blood panels. Because I'll tell you that most vegetarian proteins

are handled by the body like in carbohydrates. So if you're highly inflamed, spiking your blood glucose and your A1C is off and you're like, my plant based on it is great. And meanwhile, your testosterone is in the tanker, your IGF looks terrible, your B vitamin deficient, vitamin D is shite, right? I mean, let's make sure that we're actually measuring. And I can apply that same rubric to your standard American diet, or your I eat plants with a little bit of protein diet, right? So what you'll see is that the rules are the same. And the thing that we're really careful about saying is that,

hey, there is variability in human beings. Your squat width and my squat width is a little different. My torso comes forward a little bit more, and your torso's a little bit more upright when we front squat, based on our anthropometry. Your is a little different. My torso comes forward a little bit more, and your torso's a little bit more upright when we're front squat, based on our anthropometry, your genetics is a little different. If I just ate fat all the time,

I would be a disaster. I would have disaster pants, my blood pressure, I just don't handle all the satuary fats. Some of my friends do, or it's halium, right? So, let's just say that there are first principles always, and I think it's absolutely a good thing to try to more diversity Our friend kitchen hand points out that you know

We used to probably eat close to 40 to 60 kinds of vegetables and fruits in a year and I'll ask you Can you name 20 vegetables? No, how many are going to start? When's the last time you ate five? Different kinds of vegetables and what you're seeing is holy shit. What we were doing is we're saying brown rice and broccoli and sashimi chicken breast is the answer to nutrition and performance.

And all the sudden what we saw was that man we're missing all the micronutrient density. So if you move to a plant-based system, fantastic, ate enough protein to signal correctly. Do you need, I mean, I can see where they're coming from, the byproducts of sometimes the deffinitation of eating all of this meat may not be the best thing for you, right?

And it has a consequence. We used to have this, I used to be a professional character and we had the stove in college that we'd cook on. And it was called the MSR International. And it was a diesel, white gas, kerosene, a good burn out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And one time we were like, what's a burn diesel? It says it burns diesel. Let's do diesel. So we turn it on. Black smoke. It's just roiling everywhere. Like it's just charred everything in the jet clogs. So we've taken a part,

clean it out, turn it back on. Black smoke, like our noodles are ramen smells like smoke. It's just shitting, we're like, oh, it can burn diesel. It just shouldn't burn diesel. And I think if you realize how tolerant the human genome is, then there are a lot of ways in. Test retests, you need to show me your blood panels, we need to talk about what this looks like over the long haul. And I think you absolutely can be vegan

and absolutely human vegetarian. You just have to be very disciplined about it. Fantastic, great. I mean, you need to show me your work. The problem is, the problem is that all of the things that we're doing, whether it be to do with training, whether it be to do with nutrition, whether it be to do with our mindset

and the way that we structure our days, there is such a gap between the cause of whatever your choice is and the effects down the road. And that vacuum, that gap is exactly where charlatans are able to move in and potentially commercialize or monetize, that's also where disinformation can go in, that's where social campaigns can garner, momentum and all sorts of stuff.

Everything that we've actually spoken about today, whether it's from a strength and conditioning perspective, whether it's from a more holistic mobility perspective, whether it's from a more holistic mobility side, whether it's the diet, all of these things are very, very complex and people have different goals. What I want out of my training and my diet might be different to you. Oh, it's somebody else. 100%. And I think when we come back to first principles, and then we can say, you know, if you, you're like, I heal strike, this is striking as the best when I run.

I'm like, right? Don't wanna change it, that's totally okay. I mean, don't use your court and you're so fast, but you have to come out on harms at 20 years, at 30 years. And if all of a sudden you have distracted heal cords and you're injured and your heel bone is terrible and your back is and you can't run anymore. I'm like, maybe we should think differently about that experiment.

And that is difficult, right? And it's difficult for us to see inputs and outputs. So someone went to super plant-based and then they stopped going super plant-based. Would you say that was a failed diet? Right? Because it didn't work for them. How do we know? So I'm like, yeah, Plants, whoa.

And then how do I measure? Or keto, all right? So ultimately, you know, it's difficult for us to say inputs and outputs because we have people have eaten it this way for a long time. You know, or people who have been vegans for a long time aren't really, really strong, you know, necessarily. You know, those populations do different things.

And I think it's okay to look at the variability of the human being and say, where am I? What are the best choices I can make? What are the ethical considerations? But again, if we're talking about optimal, let's cut in half, let's count the rings, let's look at your blood panels, let's look at how well you're managing

and your tissue health. And what I can unequivocally say about this topic is that I don't think you're eating enough vegetables with this period. And show me when you are. Show me when you've had too many. No, and if, you know, one of our friends said, and this is very crass, you watch a television show about a super-leab-moreverly-obase person who's been failed by society, who's taken down a wall to wield a person out. That person is surrounded by processed foods, not apples of bananas, not heads of lettuce. And so, to the extent that we are trying to say this is better,

and I think that's very reasonable. If you want to pull back on your meat consumption and up your plants, how did your performance go? Or you're just lifting in the gym? Because that's not performance. How Or you're just lifting in the gym because that's not performance. You know, how many of my Olympic athletes around the medal stand on those diets and I'm able to save that diet and save that eating? I haven't talked, I haven't met many of them, right?

Do they need as much protein as like 0.7 grams per pound? You know, those are different conversations, right? So tuning up and tuning down, does that hold true across cohorts? So as I age up I lose my muscle mass my signaling comes down Do I need to eat more protein or less protein because I'm my signaling has come down as I've gotten older right and my engaging weight bearing What about sarcopenia? So if I'm micronutrient dense and I start to have my body is gonna protect clotting mechanisms more than my bone growth

Right so on muscle growth. So we start to see osteoporosis. We start to see a whole bunch of other things show up. So it's difficult for us to say inputs and outputs. We have to do this. Look at what our eating traditions have been. What are the overlaps? And then let's start running the experiment, but let's actually make the experiment not

about value, right? I think everyone gets so tribal and emotive about this, right? Oh, and that's okay. I mean, that's, that's all right. So I'm like, great. I'll see you. I'll see you on the matterstand. I see you on the matterstand. I mean, the water, it's hilarious to watch, but it doesn't help us come up with what is the effective solution. And it is, we were, we were in New York and we saw this thing called the pagan diet and it was having advertised. So what pagan diet?

Pagan. Okay. Paleo plus vegan. Oh wow. Okay. Plant based diet was small amounts of animal protein. And we were like, you mean food? You know?

So, one of my friends is a woman named E.C. Sinkowski and she's optimized me nutrition. And she has this notion first things first. Let's improve the caloric density of your diet by getting you to eat 800 grams of vegetables and fruits a day. 800 grams. Just hit that mark. Fuck me. So that's how far away we're having a conversation about is this movie about being plant-based good or bad. I'm like, hey, I eat meat and eggs and cheese and all these other things, but I also get 800 grams of vegetables and fruits or a kilo

of vegetables and fruits a day. That's my base. Are you able to stick to around that? Peace of cake. I have to have, I've sound for breakfast. A palm-flavored blueberries is 80 grams. So what you're seeing is, oh, we villainized fruit, right? And I'm like, seriously, you think eating two apples is really the limiting factor to your performance today. What are you going to get instead? A protein shake, highly processed, impossible burger. So there's a lot of ways where we can start to improve density and improve quality. But let me know how that goes for you.

We know when you start eating it, you know, so all your plant-based, all of that means you're drinking plant-based shakes. That's not food. That's a food-like product. So let me see you go to town and eat massive plates full of vegetables and massive amounts of fruit and massive amounts of good grains and massive amounts of high quality fats And maybe you need to supplement with some fish collagen because holy shit You're not getting any connected to you in your diet, and that's a problem if you're an athlete, right?

So that's okay You're allowed to eat and live and sleep as little as much as you want You can't make the statement that this is the best way for children to develop or the best way, especially when I'm like, hey, you should be 800 grams of vegetables and foods and you're like, yeah, that's impossible. Yeah. Yeah, man, you're so right. So one thing that I wanted to finish on, we've touched on the word first principles a few times today.

If you were to talk about the first principles that you aim to have a holistic life from overall. Do you have a number of first principles that you try and stick to, so a guiding, a guiding rule set that you try and have in your mind all times? Julian and I protect our sleep like it's our job. It's the most important thing. We control what we control, we protect our sleep, and we just prioritize, prep for ourselves and our children, because we see that that is, that's the game.

We stopped drinking predominantly, because what we found was that it really affected our sleep. And we also had to show our family, our kids that we didn't need alcohol to come down or to have fun, or, right? And dude, some polls are great, but why not? We'll have a boss, right out of you know an amazing show

We're gonna have a vodka tonica. It's that's okay, right? But what you'll see is that we've gone to drinking Twice a month you know because we we're like hey this really has a huge costs on our sleep on our performance And so we start to realize that hey, I can start to begin to organize my thinking around protecting my sleep. So for example, when this first principle, I personally don't drink caffeine after four o'clock because it will mess up my sleep. I'll sleep. I just won't sleep as well.

And so, you know, we started doing a lot of our soft tissue mobilization, just simply rolling out, form rolling ball stuff, before we went to bed. Why? Because it caused us to relax and to sleep better. So, suddenly, you know, we all sleep with I-Mass and ear plugs in our house. I don't sleep with ear plugs, so I want to hear all the fights and all the scary stuff. But everyone else sleeps with I-Mass and ear plugs. And a pitch-dark cold room, because it's about protecting the quality of the sleep. So, suddenly, you start to see this organization around sleep

as a first principle. And, Juliet and I try to walk 12,000 steps a day in addition to our training because it takes that much to load, to accumulate enough fatigue, to de-pugest after the loading that we're doing. So the same way that we're saying to people, hey, you can't just eat protein shakes and balance bars and full-proof coffee and pretend like coffee has no micronutrients and it's 700 calories. Like, you've got to be fucking kidding. Let's make a better decision, right?

So the same way we're thinking about that, we're thinking about movements. If you're going to the gym and slamming yourself, but then you're sedentary the rest of the day, but guarantee you, you're not de-conjesting and unloading and reprefusing and moving your tissues enough, you're gonna get stiff. You're not gonna look right. Why? Because humans have to move. So how do you want to get that? And if you

live in a city, believe it or not, you may be hitting your steps just because you live in a city. Could be that the living in a city is more important than like driving in your car from to your country has. So all of a sudden, we start to organize ourselves around vegetables and fruits. That is the primary organization of our eating, vegetables and fruits, plus the best available protein that we can afford. And then, you know, then things start to layer in. So you'll notice that I said, sleep and move and vegetables and proteins. And holy crap, that's not sexy.

That's free. And you can control that. And on days where I can't train, I still move my body, still protected my sleep. So when it's time to go, I can go. And really that's what we're trying to see is that, hey, let's not make these lists,

let's control, we can control. And then if you want to drink, drink when you're on vacation, drink when you're not stressed, don't drink when you're stressed out and training hard. Don't, you know, don't sacrifice your sleep because you're watching Netflix, protect that shit, especially if we're talking about going to distance. Couldn't agree more man.

I'm now 15 months sober because I wanted to see if I could do 18 months in an industry where everybody drinks and I wanted more time, I wanted my sleep to be balanced and the listeners will know that they've heard this story a million times, but it's the single best upgrade that I think most people in the 21st century can give themselves is to have a sustained period of sobriety with a reason for doing it. But go ahead and just test rate test how you feel. How's your sleep?

How'd your body composition go? How's your mental acuity? What you realize is that alcohol is a tasty, tasty poison. And one of the reasons we alcohol was so important to us in the past is it was safe. That alcohol wasn't poisonous. You could mix water and rum, water and wine. You knew that that was safe.

It was an important, storeable way to so green, the sort of grapes, right? It was, you know, imagine, you know, I'm just saying that it's had its utility, we maybe don't need its utility as much. And, you know, when you start to track those things, especially if the thing you care about is going faster and lifting more,

you're like, hey, that's kind of gonna have to come in a choice. The same way this chocolate cake is. And what we try to have people do is I'm gonna look, is chocolate cake a problem? No, to each chocolate cake every day, if you start eating chocolate cake at 11 o'clock, like you do PIMS cup in the summer, no.

Like, you know, so you don't start eating it, like let's have a brunch and start eating chocolate cake every hour on the hour for the next 14 hours. That's crazy, right? And so, you know, again, don't take our word for it. This is on you. Test retest. Do you feel better?

Are you happy with the way you feel? Great. You look great naked. Are you planning on being 100? What are those best practices? And it turns out that the performance community, how do I meet Kate Shanahan, the physician who's talking about food because I work with her with the Lakers. Right?

Because those are the eating recommendations she put in into high performance basketball. I love it, man. Kelly, today has been absolutely fantastic. For the listeners who want to check out more, where should they go now? Where's the hub for all things Kelly today? We are at the Reddy State.

And you can see how we coach and think on the Instagram. We've got a couple of podcasts ourselves. We don't, we're not like you, we're not prolific. We have a season, something we're interested in, and then we go silent for a while. You know, we talked about chronic pain, we talked about kids, you know, so, we've talked about the history of CrossFit a little bit.

You know, all things, you know, we ended up having to care about sleep and hydration and walking and nutrition and stress because that was why your tissue sucked. And why you so stiff, bro, you know, because because you're living in some kind of, you know, demi-human state. So I think that's really the ultimate we're saying is we can't strip out your knee capsule or your hamstring stiffness from the way you're existing in the world. We better talk to our smart friends where we're experts in those things.

So we're at the race. It comes here. We coach coming out with us. Awesome, man. I'm sure that you will have a number of people who are very interested to find out what's going on. Final thing. What's happening for you next?

What's next on your schedule? Have you got anything coming up that's going to be cool? You got two big teams playing against each other at the moment. What else? Well, you know, let's see, you know, we're, we're faced one of the ready-stained. One of the things that we're really great about, it was stoked on as though you have two weeks of trying it out and we're going to teach you how to mobilize in those two weeks. So if you've never mobilized or thought, hey, I should do some of that or what are my positions enough, come on board for two weeks and in those two weeks we'll show you how it works and we'll show you what the thinking is.

Can't stop the two weeks and already you've had a free education. We're going to come to Asia, our phase two, we just have a lot planned, you know. There's another dish that's up a lepreth coming around the corner eventually. Oh, there we go. We're figuring out we're smarter. If we were still seeing the exact same thing we said six years ago, we should be alarmed. If you're not seeing the core principles say the same, but the application of the principles being evolved, then you should run the other way.

Couldn't agree more. Kelly, today's been awesome. Everyone that is listening, all that we've talked about will be linked in the show notes below. Of course, go and check out the ReadyStay. Any questions, comments or feedback, leave them in the comments below or get at me at ChrisWillX on all social media or get at the ReadyState. And Hassel Kerry and Kelly and he left to come on and reply to some DMs or something like

that. Kelly, it's been awesome. I hope you have a really good day, man. Thanks brother. Appreciate you guys.