Modern Wisdom - #123 - Sobriety 101 - Why Sobriety?

Episode Date: December 2, 2019

Jonny & Yusef from PropaneFitness join me for a new series. Over the last 3 years I've spent more than 24 months sober. Choosing to not drink when you don't have an alcohol problem is a lifestyle change many people don't understand, so today we're breaking it all down. And talking about a lot of times we got far too drunk. Extra Stuff: Check out the 6 Months Sober Course - https://6monthssober.com/podcast Check out everything I recommend from books to products and help support the podcast at no extra cost to you by shopping through this link - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oh yes, hello friends, it feels so good to be back. My trip to Bali was fantastic, but I have to say I did miss podcasting an awful lot. Big fortnight without me creating any new episodes, so I'm really glad to be back and getting stuck in. I've got some awesome guests lined up and today's the beginning of a brand new series. You'll have heard us talk about sobriety before, but today we are really delving into it. It's something that I've been playing with for the last three years, and it's one of the most interesting and different topics

that we actually cover. Like a lot of things that we cover on this podcast, it is a tool. It's a tool that can be used to help you develop yourself. And it's odd that people have quite sort of patriotic visceral responses when you start talking about sobriety. They seem to get offended or defensive or something about it. I don't really know what it is. But we try to break down a lot of our experiences with going sober and also some hilarious stories of when we got very

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Ladies and gentlemen welcome back I'm joined by the Mastashio and Man himself, Yusuf and Johnny from propin fitness.com. Johnny from Yusuf.com. Johnny from Yusuf.com. How are you? Are you good? Very good. Thank you. Thank you for joining. Great. I don't know. We've circled around this topic for ages. We're talking about why sobriety today, all of us either by religious

doctrine or lifestyle choice, I've gone to sober for extended periods, and even the man behind the camera video guide Dean, can you feel the whole potato? It's, it's, it's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's an appart already for it. I'm ready for it. Um, yeah, the man behind the camera video guide Dean is one week away from a year sober, which is a fucking feet and a half. Um, a two feet, two feet. Yeah, like fucking a half, isn't it? Rounded up to two feet.

Yeah. So yeah, why is, why sobriety is an interesting question, I guess, people who maybe haven't heard us talk about this topic before might not know why we even consider it something to think about. I don't see a problem with my drink here and everyone drinks. I always drank part of society. But some of the people will know I've done episodes

with Ed Lathley Moore, I've done two with Don McGregor, both of whom are massive sobriety advocates. Michael Kaju, who's addicted to fucking heroin more of them too with Don McGregor, both of whom are massive sobriety advocates. Michael Kaju, who's addicted to fucking heroin at the age of 14 and stuff like that, he's big into it. But yeah, I just wanted to, a lot of people, it's the most replied to content that I'm out online about resetting people's drinking habits. And I thought, just how many discussion about it would be. Pretty valuable. So what made you decide, what made you pick sobriety

as something to do? So three years ago, now just approaching three years ago, and I needed, I just wanted to do more stuff. I was kind of in a bit of a rut with where I was at. I was about to start doing CrossFit. That was one lifestyle change that I made. I was just like, I'm just fucking sick. I thought life would be different than this somehow. And I need more time. I think I did this analogy where I'd sit down with an accountant at the end of my year and look at how much time I had. It could be neat.

Or Chris, he'd probably be Johnny. Big Chris, yeah. Do not ring me. I looked at the amount of available time that I have across a whole year. If my accountant was looking at it, he'd say, I'm going to second, every Saturday, you lose a whole day. Then every Sunday, you lose half a what's like every Saturday, you lose a whole day, then every Sunday, you lose half a day, and then every Monday, you lose a quarter of your day in terms of productivity units, whatever you want to call it. But you're spending all this money, plus it's killing you, like it's making you live short, it's not going to make you live

any longer. I was just thought, hang on, if I stop drinking, I'll have more time to spend on stop drinking. I'll have more time to spend on anything, which isn't drinking. Another big part of it was, I get increasingly bad hangovers as I get older, which I think everybody does. Another part of it was that it's expensive. I didn't feel like I had anything left to learn from alcohol. It is a drug which takes you to the exact same place every single time. And that's like one of the baddest memories that I've got is going away with Vegas. And both times I've been away to Vegas for four days, the same four days, Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday Tuesday. And both times I've learned and unlearned the same lesson every 24 hours at around Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday, remember how I felt on the night, get back on it. Yeah. And the mad thing is,

because when you get super, super blackout drunk, it takes you to a place that's so overwhelming to all of your senses that you literally could have been in the pub down the road. Anyway, I do feel that there is some kind of moral obligation to do that though when you go to Vegas, at least once. Oh, I think so. I think if you go to Vegas and you just have a quiet time.

It's part of the end you require an interview. You've done it incorrectly. You've not had the... Two end to vacation. Yeah. To get the stamp in your passport. You have to have had that like... Expeat time.

What time is it? Not really sure. Let's drink. I nail you a bowl of nut calamari at three in the morning in a casino in Vegas. Is that even a thing nut calamari? So I ordered calamari in a pizza, three, I'm pissed. I said the way she was leaving. By the way, I've got no energy. Oh my god. I'm like, he's like, so are we cook in peanut oil. I love when he's changed. When you drip out stories from Vegas, it's brilliant,

because you've got so many gems. I think I'm like, that would have killed both of you. If it was, I'm okay with squid, actually. Okay, but you have to have yourself shellfish. Eh. Ah, no. But yeah, like, when you go away and you drink that heavily, and you have one of those party holidays, like I've done 30, 30 of them, my Bayer, my Bayer, Ruby, like I've been

to a beta 12 times and every time I've gone pretty much, I've done that same thing. All that you're doing when you go away and you get that blind drunk is choosing what destination and visuals you want to deal with a hangover and... Yep. That's the God's honest truth and this is coming from someone who was a professional party boy for like 10 years. So that's it like this is this is the thing that you did isn't it? This is your, you have a level of expertise in drinking. I was world class level partner. Yes. So, like, since I did it, I've encouraged you to try and go sober as well.

Yeah. And you did that three months. A couple of years, yeah. Yeah. Talking through your experience there. What sort of a drinker were you before? So I think my drinking definitely used to be quite a big deal, like I used to drink a lot. So it was a lot.

Well, I mean, so you need heavily three times a week, four times a week, like obviously freshers a week. I think the most I did, there's a story I can't say for various reasons, but there's a thing I did. There's a story I can't say for various reasons, but there's a thing I did where I drank every night for 14 nights in a row and every night I began with a bottle of white granache, gallop family white granache wine. So it's rosé wine from like the co-op, to be honest, awful, but at the time you just become so acclimatized. I remember drinking the entire bottle while playing Call of Duty before going on this night out and every time being getting slightly better

a call of duty as the nights went on thinking this is having less and less of an effect. Oh okay, yeah. You felt like you were getting less drunk. From the same bloody day. Yeah, yeah. Okay, progressive overlaid. In the same period of time, I first time hit a hit 140 bench. That's one of the most proud periods of my life. That's the secret. Okay, progressive overlay. In the same period of time, I first time hit a hit 140 bench. That's one of those proud periods of my life. That's the secret. But yeah, so it used to be like that.

It's a very representative drinking then. And then what did you move into when you were? So it started in like a currency training minute, it got quite bad against it, tape it off, because like, you know, you think like, shit, I've got to actually get a degree here. Otherwise, this has been a major waste of time and money

So like got a degree started a job and then it's like fresh as again and suddenly everyone wants to go out again It wasn't that bad because obviously got a good work, but it probably got more intense. So that's when vague has happened twice You've got more money now to spend on drinking. Yeah, certainly like okay like limitations of your alcoholism have been I can now drink but in other parts of the world. I can have top-shed spirits. Yeah, yeah. And that became a thing like ordering like it's such a dick thing. You know when people get like a table and a bottle. And the first time that that becomes like something you can afford to do and you feel like such a big deal. And then you're like the next morning, you're like, I do a deal, I'm a whiker. And then it slowly kind of tapered off.

But I remember I used to hate the idea and I think you'll probably be the same. I used to hate the idea of like having a few beers in a pub because I didn't see the point of that. But I absolutely saw the point of getting off my phone and drunk and I told the story that you shared on the beginning and Instagram of tactical puking in a Nali way. And that was the best thing that happened all weekend

for me at a point. So I never realized, so I checked there, I totally forgot, among the sobriety sort of little sort of stint at the moment, but my master's dissertation was the effectiveness of anti-alcohol advertising on students at New Kelsey University. I just totally forgot that I'd done that. If Northland University listening actually James Quinn, if you go back and check it, check his dissertation. I submitted mine before turn it in. He just changed the word alcohol for smoking.

Oh my God. Can they retrospectively... Command and F replace. Like drinking, smoking, alcohol. You really don't have to minute that. He's already got his thing. Well, so they can't retrospectively. You can just be like,

So mine was in before turn it in was a thing. Plus we were at different unies, but he submitted my dissertation. What was you turning it in? Is that, plus we were at different unies, but he submitted my dissertation. What was your turn in? Is that like an anti-plager or something? Climb on it. Yeah, so, and one of the things that I discovered there was that students, and this is for everyone,

right, especially in the UK, it's big drinking culture, there's not a lot happening in the UK, it's not like fucking America, where there's literally 50 countries within your country and you can go to them all and do different things and spend the same money and everyone uses the same words. The UK is an island, the weather's pretty shit, there's not a lot of sunlight, there's not that much to do, really. People drink. Yeah. They need to drink to keep themselves excited. Yeah. And what I realised was two things. First drink into a right of passage for young people. And that's quite interesting.

Like if you want to be an older adult with representative experiences that allow you to relate to other people, you have to drink when you're younger. Because you need to know what it's like to have a drunken argument with your girlfriend at 19 or lose your phone and your keys stranded in Manchester and have to find your way home because that's a representative experience. That was half of it. The other half of it was the extreme events on nights out

as seen as Badges of Honor. So there's no other experience in which two university students would ring each other and say, Hey man, how's the night last night? And the other one goes, mate, it's amazing. John broke his leg. And you're like, hang on. Yeah. Why is that amazing? Oh, because it's, it's this marker of excess films like The Hangover have glorified taking substances, alcohol, drugs, whatever it might be, to excess. And it's seen as like, I'm hard. This is something to be proud of.

This is something that's cool. And yeah, that just totally re-framed everything. So you normal drinking cadence, bit more of a weekend warrior a bit more money to spend. Yeah, and then that that's who you tap it off. And I think probably where I was when you suggest it to me, it was like it was more a couple of years that it was getting blind pissed.

Cause I think you've just you've seen. I don't mean you're cool. No, cool little paints. You're gonna have to explain that. I'm so heaven to see who's. Who's that?

Who's that? Get silly with it. We're on a ski trip. And we're 16, right? And the gym, the PE teacher, big bloke, like big, thick man, like thick forearm, thick neck, big barbell, you can imagine it wears like 80s cop sunglasses.

Just start with that arm. Put it this way, everyone else is wearing like Salapets and big, big ski wear. He's wearing jeans and a barba jacket, just untouched by the skin of leather, real Jordy, the strong man. They're standing up and just goes, lads, you know, because it was legal where we were drinking the Austria.

You know, I took a couple of quit out with you, I have a couple of beers, but for heaven's sake, dawned gore silly with this. Right. I took that I mean a couple. I'm going silly with it. No, no, no, no. He said they've had like a disciplinary chat with me where he basically just said, you went silly with it. I told you they're not gore silly with it. Exactly what you did. But yes, that was silly with it. I had like five beers. Okay. But that was like the first time I've got like,

really drunk legit, yeah, like really drunk, brilliant. But so I was having like probably a couple of beers the odd night out here and there, but not as not serious. But the thing that I've got, giving it up for three months, the biggest change was you realize just how many, like little things you go to, where the default would be three beers, four beers. And then you add that up and you're like shit over there like three weeks I've had you know 20 calories from alcohol or you know that you wake up the next

year a bit fuzzy or there's the odd time way wake up and you think I probably shouldn't drive. And you just think like I haven't really I couldn't quantify the game because in a way like if you go to Vegas and you get blind pissed, at least you've got all those stories. If you just have a few beers and then have a few conversations where the other person's had four beers as well. And it would have been exactly the same conversation if you'd both been sober.

Well, all I've had is downside here. I'd cost calories, lost time, lost like, for the conversation. Yeah. And I suppose it makes it like, it takes the edge off a little bit, doesn't it, which is why people do it. Yeah. Like, why do people drink, they get something out of it at the time. And we live in a society where people make very short-term decisions and ignore the long-term cost. So that's why it's a problem. It is. The reason that people choose to drink is for a whole host of reasons, but one of the main ones is that the gains are immediate and the costs are in the future. Tomorrow

aren't they? Tomorrow's problem. The future use of a deal with this hangover. Have you ever had a hangover? Once. Yeah. So that we need to drag an entire bottle of spirits? Surprisingly not. So, there's a lot of backtracks. Don't tell me it was after I made you drink that rum. No, that was fun. Okay, there's a lot of backstories to this. Hang on, first off, when was your first ever drink? 20. So, I can remember. I remember when your first beer was. First beer, yeah.

I was with Johnny. We were at a marketing event, Maggi. Standing in a room full of personal trainers. Guy hands out everyone, Stella Ratoire. Is this right? Stella, it was either Stella or the Corona. Corona, it was Corona. And you self like takes a sip

Trying to sneak in and the guy goes Which is interesting in itself that people applaud You're now part of one of us you've joined so what was the first beer 22 do you say no to it? I No, I think 25. So you never drank, not a drop. Was that the first bit of alcohol you had? Yeah. And then, so that was the first beer. I didn't even wear a cocktail. Had a cocktail, but that was kind of like,

and then I think it was either before or after. And I remember the first time I tried alcohol, must have been a bit before that, which was a pint of gin. So I just said, it was half liter. Half liter, yeah, it's neat. Yeah. And so it's because I don't have drunk much worse stuff. Johnny and I have drunk horrible supplements over the years that to be honest the same neat gin is like alcohols up there with like you know really yeah whoever I was with was like is that gin you just drunk like why how are you not like you do just have a tendency to

go because when Chris Chris bought you surf like was it like a great nephews right nephews 80% 80% a double and and you said you, I think the bar I just went, yeah, that's quite strong. Yeah, everyone else goes, like turns everyone else's face in the show. Yeah, just mutual expression. I think I'm so used to hydrolyzed casing. No, it's never been, it's worse. I think it's worse.

It's different, isn't it? It's got more and more immediate, I think. Yeah, it's real. So that's interesting. Us as a representative, slash unrepresentative group of people to be talking about alcohol, I was infrequent but hard. You were consistent and sort of low level with some hard words. I think I was that.

Yeah, I was younger. I was that and it slowly kind of changed at the time. And then you were someone who was sober for... So what did you think of party culture when you were at Union school? I was at the hospital, I found it so exhausting. I would always be the boring old man at like 1am, not that right, I was like, I don't know, I'm so tired. And I'll tell the poooo's Tide's story as well.

But the gin was just like, in my mind, alcohol is something that is a drug, like the many spectrum of other drugs possible. And so I just thought, okay, how would I try a drug? I would take a therapeutic dose of it in a bowl-less and then wait for the result and see what happens. I would administer it in the most efficient manner that I could. So it was like, well, I can't go IV. So I'll have to just, I'll find what's a concentrated drink that's quite like Botana. It was like something value. It was a cheap chicken.

Chee-chees was coming on my room. So had that and then like just didn't have anything else to rest the night. And it's as opposed to like you know you were saying like you have like a few beers you're like I was a bit rubbish and there's a lot of calories and fluid. It's a Harry Potter theme tune. And whereas the men are hence the men's approaches that you want to front loads, alcohol is much as possible, so your stuff is an empty stomach and you have eight units

and then you stop, and then by the time you go to bed, you must have the alcohol is metabolized and you're going to bed you must have been alcoholism metabolized and you were a good to bed fight. So yeah, but then the time the hangover was just post I did a sports massage therapy course and I thought it was around then. Yeah and the guy took us all out for drinks at the end and he was like, I get you drink and I'm like, I don't really drink and he's like, no, I get you. I get you a proper old man drink. I would speck all of them. You'll love it, you'll love it, you'll drink. I'd add old speck all of them.

Have you both had old speck? Yeah, yeah. Oh my God, for someone that already thinks beer is just a scam, like it's just, someone's put like dish water in it. So I had it and I was like, this is the worst thing I've ever drunk. And he was like, no, I can't eat that for one.

You're like, you're like, you're like, having the same one isn't gonna make it. And I'm like, oh, yeah, same thing. And like, throughout the night, then they would give me like red wine and white wine and lagoas. And I think the mixture from what you said was quite vomit hangovery. But really only two, three episodes of alcohol in my life, it's never, it's never really stuck with me. I think because it's philosophically at odds with, because it's like, I guess in moderate doses, it's not in like a good old...

Point of origin. Yeah, like in moderate doses, it's designed. You said like to take the edge off. And I think that's just philosophically at odds with a lot of my life. I'm not really about comfort. You're about leans sitting with the urge, aren't you? Sitting with the air like I slept on the floor for two years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But to really, like the philosophical side of it, it's not one that I really thought of, but you're really correct with that, the fact that people say, I use alcohol because

it helps to make me more confident on a night out. Okay, so you're not confident on a night out. No, I am. Right, okay, what happens if I remove the alcohol? Because the alcohol's not a part of you. It's like me saying, I can run the 100 meters in one second if I'm in a car. But Johnny's car can go. 100 miles an hour, yeah, and I know the words to Candle and the Wind. Yeah, that's one of the reasons that people say that they drink.

They say it makes me more personable and it makes me have more of a laugh around my friends. I mean, that's right, okay, so your friends not funny if you don't have they drink. They say, it makes me more personable and it makes me have more of a laugh around my friends. I mean, that's right. Okay. So your friends, not funny if you don't have a drink. Yeah, maybe. So you're like, okay, so why are you going out? Well, I'm going out because my friends want me to go out, but I have to drink because otherwise I'd be bored. Okay. So you're taking this substance to sedate yourself from the fact that you can't bear to be around people. You're choosing to be around without sedating yourself to be around depressing. We put it like that. It's like an interesting experiment.

I hate my life, isn't it? Well, yeah. I think for some people, that is the case. But the... So when I went out, some of the things I tried when I was at uni when I was really heavily into like, you know, calories, you know, alcohol calories are metabolized differently to carbs and I need to tie it. So I tried to consume alcohol in a way that would, you know, according to the science that I understood at the time, not store any of it as body fat, which was some really extreme shit. What like? Well, just meadowhandselands front loading all of it. So I did no fat during the day. Yeah.

So only protein, only protein throughout the day. And then I basically did sent you in with shots of vodka until I reached the point where I was like, I'm drunk enough now, then I left the house and drank only water and got back and still had hangover. So it was like, what a fucking pointless. But during that time, I tried going out sober to see what it would be like. And if you just reframe it, I was like,

everyone's expecting me to be drunk. If I just do what I want. If I'm just like, see you, mark on the picture, I'm rating the rhythms, where are you getting it? Does that, like if you just do that, people go, like, people just assume you're like minting having a good time. So you can fully let go. No one knows you serve anyway. No one can.

No one even notices. Actually, the reason why people are threatened if you are so, but it's that, oh, Johnny's going to remember how much of a... It's ghost at the feast thing, isn't it? Yeah. Like, people say, they're watching. They're watching what I'm doing. I'm expressing myself, but there's someone there who's taking notes. But what does that tell us about what's going on? It says that the behavior that I'm currently doing because I'm drunk is something that I don't want to remember or might not be that virtuous. Yeah. And the only reason that I'm prepared to do it is because I know that everybody else, I have as much shit on everyone else as they they have on me plus the fact that this, one of the side effects of this drug is that,

memory kind of gets a little bit hazy anyway. What you said about nothing kind of the edges of stuff super interesting, like, I love your use of nothing. That's what it is, isn't it? It's nothing. I'm a torpedoed. Is this on Harus torpedoed?

It's on holiday. I use that Ezra Klein thing, isn't it? It's an example of the other day. Yeah, so nothing the edges of your experience. Yeah, like it's fucking hell, man. I think this is, this probably actually gets to why I think there's a fitness manopause in your late 20s, which you've undergone, and you've undergone, and I've undergone, and fucking Daryngh, that does more.

He's undergone. Everyone has that I know about that you get to later in your 20s and you go like, hang on, I'm not really growing or learning much more from this particular training methodology. I want to be more holistic in my approach to the way that I do my fitness. I'm going to find, I'm going to find something that is a little bit more aligned with what I want and a little bit less sort of like... look at me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's the same with alcohol or it was the same with alcohol for me where I was like, okay, I've kind of I've kind of maxed out what I'm going to learn from doing this thing. Every time I do it, it takes me to the same place. And you curbing the edges of all of the interesting shit in life,

like even if you were going to get in a fight with someone, like if you're gonna get in a fight or if that fight's gonna happen, you might as well be sober, and experience what that level of fear is actually like, as opposed to being like, oh well, I think it was a little bit like this, but this weird substance that I decided to take to kind of fucking blasted me to one side. I've been, I got knotted twice when I was drunk and like in a row. Yeah, yeah, I got nutted twice then, punch in a, because I mean, it's a long story, but I was outside venue in Newcastle. Yeah, yeah. It's coming back. And it's a really, wow. I've not been nutted when drunk, but I can imagine you feel the pressure and the movement. It's not so much. It was on, it was on, it was on, it was on, it was on, it was on, it was on, it was on, it was on, it was on, not been nutted when drunk, but I can imagine you feel the pressure and the movement. It's not so much the...

It's on nose, on head. So, I think I don't know. I don't really feel anything. I remember, like, I remember it happening and then there's like the module loading. Module loading. I just got nutted. And it's almost like a... You know, you just...

You just nut me. And then nut me again, you're like, there's nothing to get in. Was it something to get in? No. Okay. So someone I knew, this guy dropped a bottle that was brown, brown ale bottle.

And there was an argument erupted about how it was racist, which is obviously ridiculous. And I like stepped in and said, like, come on, we'll go into the next place. And the guy just went crap. And then he ended up, the guy who ended up being put in a bin upside down. By someone I know who's involved in rugby, a quite high level. But the whole thing was ridiculous, but afterwards I just remember thinking

like it was so weird to have that happen. And obviously there'll be a adrenaline and stuff like that, but you don't feel it at all. But you did, I remember thinking at the time, I'm glad I wasn't sober. But just because like that, it would have been very like, I'd be noted. Yeah. But it was like, I have been very like ow, I've been noted. Yeah, I was like, oh, I've been suck a punch sober and

um, by Nazi. But yeah, very similar, like you just hear a noise, like someone's throwing a chaff grenade and that's a stun grenade, isn't it? Yeah, flashbang. And you know, you don't feel the pain, you're just like, module loading, and then you're like, yeah, you don't feel the pain you just like module loading And then you're like ah, I'm not I'm totally shit. Yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting like if you were to design a drug This is like a Hamilton Morris thing that he talked about with alcohol

Hamilton Morris Hamilton's pharmacopia big psycho naught loads of like psychedelic research He's not easy opposite. All right. He's the man behind big drugs big farm anti big drug And he talked about like if you were going to design a drug, it would not be alcohol. For the, what was the, what's that thing dose? The therapeutic dose. The therapeutic dose amount is fucking huge. The effect of it, it's like, what do you want?

Do you want memory loss and lower inhibitions, a little bit of aggressiveness and some kind of like enhanced sadness and kind of a... Old lower sex drive, massive anxiety rebound after effect, worse sleep, worse liver function or all these things that are just like, how about having you will power the next day completely through the floor?

I'm jeering. Yeah, yeah. So it's just like if you were to design a drug, alcohol would be a shit one and I think what's interesting for you is use of is that because you weren't indoctrinated into this little fucking cabal of alcoholism when you were 18 and you got a union you're like oh my god, I've got a flattened holes of residence and I can drink. You view it as you view every other drug. It's like, okay, should I try it? Should I try nicotine? I wonder, have you ever put a nicotine patch on a bit of her? Not patch, but I'm very keen to, yeah. Just because... I've tried like, like, what's it called? To pass through. Yes, nurse, it's notting it, whatever, just like, try it. Wonder what happens.

What's a therapeutic dose I will choose to do. I'll try and get a teen gum. Do you remember who's going through a phase when the teen gum was advised is like a fat loss? Okay. What's it like? I don't know. I feel like awful.

Is it like having a coffee? So it's like having a coffee, but more, it feels more like a strong, metropic. It's like an edge, it's more of an edge to it. How about Morris uses a, like an existing gum as a writing tool? I mean, like it definitely makes you alert, but it's not, I don't think it's a nice alert.

Dan Bailey got asked, have you ever smoked? And he said, yeah, one's up to do like this seven hour drive at night. And he's got 20 pack and just like, that's just chain the smoke them like in an effort to keep himself away. See that's the viewing it as a drug. It's just the smoking is a very inefficient delivery mechanism, just like drinking is an inefficient delivery mechanism. When you think about like, you know, we talk about other drugs on this podcast, you talk about the

dosages that people have of mushrooms, grams of mushrooms, or an effective dose of cocaine, part of like grams, that half a gram or quarter of a gram or whatever, or then you talk about LSD and it's like, micrograms, single micrograms, right? Yeah. And you're like, how much fuck it like volume, sheer volume of alcohol?

It's so much that your body has to excrete out the past stuff. To make room for more, that's why I went for the gin, because I was like, I cannot believe that people get, people go out and drink 10 beers at a drink. It's 10%. It's 10%. Oh, cool. Yeah, like a social low percentage, it's a horrible drink.

And who drink, you don't drink 10 points of anything. And yet for some reason's a normal to go out and drink five liters of some kind of food. It's crazy that people just don't, like, in any other, like, hypernatremic or something. I'm not worried. Like, if you were to go, if I were like, right, we're going to all go to this place tonight and take a drug, everyone's main concern would be, well, how much am I taking? Like, if I'm going to take a drug, I want to know, I'm going to take a drug. Everyone's main concern would be, well, how much am I taking? Like, if I'm going to take a drug, I want to know, like, is the amount I'm taking all right,

or am I going to run into problems? But people just go into a bar and just have out of it, don't they? I think that's a lot of that is because we know what the dosage is, right? We can equate roughly one double equals this much drunkness, two doubles equals this much drunkness. But you're dealing with what happens once I've taken it, is it measure, rather than, whereas people aren't,

I take two paracetamol to get rid of my headache, but I don't like take the paracetamol based on how bad my headache is. I just take the dosage of the drug, that is required. People tell me I'm approaching it all wrong and that's why I'm not introducing it. You've not had the installation.

Yeah, they say, like, oh, you shouldn't drink thinking about the effect. You should just let the night flow and just have, you know. So obviously, I mean, the elephant in the mystery is that I make my money from drunk people. I've had a million people, a million customers go into my events. Nor would I would guess 95% of them more were drinking.

But again, I don't have a problem with drinking. I don't think that that's a bad thing. My problem is when you do that back and forth for like 30 years, 20 years, even 10 years, like throughout your 20s, if all that you do is live for the weekend and be a weekend warrior, you hit 30 and you're like, mate, what the fuck are you taking two steps forward and two steps back? Every week, your weight loss goals aren't going anywhere. Why do you think that is? You've never developed any good habits. You sleep still fucked, you mood still fucked, all of the skills that you should have that you can then double down

on for the rest of your life, like confidence or the ability to, like approach anxiety, the ability to approach someone of either the same sex or a different sex. Your ability to deal with anxious situations or uncertain situations, like all of that. Plus, let's talk about cost on time, cost on money, cost on calories, the hangover the next day, all the mistakes that you let's not even to talk about social costs. How many times do you cheat on your girlfriend or get in a fight or fucking lose your keys or annoy someone or lose a friend or fucking whatever? So the thing you said about you hit 30 and you're like, oh god, I've kind of pissed away quite a lot of my literary age, it's actually yeah, like a lot of time pissing.

In and then I'm out again. And there's something you mentioned before we started recording is like we're 13 13 now. Like, thereabouts. And I think this is the age where you see people that you used to get a school with. And you haven't seen them, maybe 10 years. And for some of them, you're like, oh, they can get in some of them. And you're like, oh, like just paper on the last decade, mate. Yeah. What's happened to you? And I think it's because like at 16 years old, you can do like four years old,

like all four year olds are the same years, they can do whatever they want. You just made a flubber on you. Rubber on you. Rubber in my closet, yeah, you throw the bounce back. 16, still the same thing, you can be a chain smoke, a drink loads, terrible lifestyle. Very resilient. Do that then wake up and accidentally do heavy deadlifts.

Yeah, literally go like, no, don't. No, no, just fine, you can be destructible. And then the cumulative effect of that doesn't really manifest until about 30. And then it's like, oh, my biological age, 50. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That was, I was sending you stuff of voice note and I walked past someone that we've had. Who I've not seen, he didn't see me. I've not seen him for a long time. And, bad example of, of behaviors that they can't find. Because it, they diverge, it's not so insidious because you don't think that. It's that, it's that graph from James Clear where it's like,

one cent better every day is 38 times better by the end of the year. One percent worse every day is 0.01 of what it was at the start of the year. Yeah. And like, we're always practicing something, the kit lock and thing. You're always doing behaviors. It's just that the good on behaviors. I think like, I probably stand in between U2 on sobriety,

and drinking in general. Like, I still drink even after trying sobriety. Because I think I just see it as like, it's one of 100 behaviors that you do. And it's more, I think, where I think the most benefit people get from giving something up is like what that thing is masking or what you do that thing instead of or what you do that thing to like escape from a feeling or escape from a thought or like a part of your life and when you strip it away and you have to then deal with that. That's

when it's because it's the underlying thing. Yeah, the real, the meat of it is. Because it's like, you know, people, how long do people spend on the phones? Why are they doing that? It's not like, is being on your phone about them? Yes, it's not great use of time. But then like, is watching TV, it's so many other things, it's like, are you like ignoring a conversation or it's what is underneath that. It's, are you like ignoring a conversation or it's what is underneath that? You can't sit with your thought, to speak to you can't be, or anything.

Exactly, whatever. And I think you spend a lot of time, how spend a lot of time, hundreds of hours of time meditating, which is like the opposite, right? It's dealing with what's there. For instance, the opposite. The opposite face with it.

Which is the opposite of drinking, which is running away from what's there, or trying to round the edges off, so it's not quite a sharp answer as well. It doesn't appeal, I don't know. Because they were already rounded. Well, it's also would. Well, I don't know if I'm a ball of ball, but I think it's maybe because it's so contrary to the factors, I feel like, why would I want to.

But, interesting quote on what you've just said from Anthony D'Amello, who is a Jesuit preacher, priest, whatever, he said, whenever the priest comes to me asking for refuge and help, all he wants to do is talk about sex. When the prostitute comes to me, all they want to do is talk about God. And so he's like, it's not about the thing,

it's like whatever you renounce, you bring back into your life, because you're pushing it away, you're pulling it towards you in some way. Such an interesting. Well, you'll have this, so me and Johnny, no one even knows this, me and Johnny have the same meditation coach now. And Brian talks about not fixating or suppressing. That's what equanimity is. Yeah, yeah. Not wanting more of a good thing, or less of a bad thing. Yes.

Yeah. And that's exactly what you're talking about there. So what did you learn from three months of sobriety? Did it reframe anything for you? I think it made alcohol seem more like an option rather than a default. So it made drinking seem like, you know, if I want to go to an event that I would normally just drink up. So it's like, I'm trying to give an example. I think for a lot of people, myself included, it's an automatic behaviour. You don't have a thought of like, I'm going out this evening

and I'm going to have three beers. You just find that happening. Yeah. But I would have thought because you have to plan your taxi and not driving. It's a default though. It's yeah. It's like, you're going out with friends. So, you know, it'll be food and some drinks or we're going to a bar so they'll be drinks. That's interesting. Because I maybe I'm so out of the habit, but for me, I would have to, I'd be like, oh, right, I'm just a decision. I can't drive. I think it depends as well on,

like, which circle you're in. Because obviously, like, when we go for food and like when... We're a modern-wrestling reality, though. Yeah, but that, that, because I remember George saying, it was like, this time last year, it's like so weird to go for food with group of guys and not drink.

Because I'll go for that same situation with a group of other people. And it's like weird if you've not had a beer by midday. Because that's their default. But it's, I think, quite dependent on who you're with. Because there are people who just don't drink, because that's what they prefer. And some people feel like...

It's so random, man. Like, very rare. Very dirty's so red, I'm like, yeah, very red. 30, like, and then I guess maybe as you move a little bit further on, but it seems to me to be the few people that do, and this is an Ed Latamor isn't right. The alcohol is the only drug where if you don't do it, people assume you have a problem.

And that's why so many people, I think have this aversion to going sober. Subrite scene is something that's only done when someone has an issue with alcohol. It can't be a lifestyle choice. Let's talk about that. Like the backlash that you get when you don't drink. Like do you get social backlash? Do you get people like assuming you have a problem or trying to get you to drink, trying

to like get you to join in? They did when I started. Yeah. They did when I started, but I'm fairly sort of well stanced now as the sobriety guy, or the guy that does periods of sobriety. Is that trying to? Well, not even that.

It's like, I think a lot of people are very timid about, let's say that they've got something on the next morning. You go into it, people have to go into it and fucking caveats and litigation about why they're not drinking. Or maybe I've got a doctor's appointment at 10 in the morning, or maybe that's not even the truth, but they have to do it because I've brought the car.

I know some people who take their car keys out with them, without the car, so that they can be like, I've got the car man, I don't need to, I can't drink. And it's like, that's how... It's the equivalent like I've got the car man that I don't need to I can't drink and it's like that's how it's the equivalent of I've got a boyfriend when you haven't got a boyfriend Yeah, it is but it's it neutralizes that conversation quickly because people are like oh and prepared to push you If I think it's your will but there's certain things I'm not prepared to push you on But people are prepared to push you if they think it's your will. I'd like wine. And again, I get it. We are all here. The fucking out of this podcast that went up, this breaks down

the podcasting schedule again. Today's episode went up with Paul Bloom and he does this. Video guy Dean picked out the best experiment in there. I wonder if you know about this. Psychology experiment. They put people in a room and they get all of them to toss a coin by a lot of averages, but half of them go over there, half of them go over there, tails group, headscroop, and they go over to the tails group, and what do you think of yourselves? Because that would be a bit smart, doesn't it? What do you think about the headscroop? I can get a bit of a bunch of dick, so I'm just a little bit of a schmose, and it's like the most random arbitrary way to split people up into us and them and it

causes people to make value judgements. That's because for the vast majority of our evolutionary history we were in groups of 25 to 50 and we were fucking terrified of what was in the next valley because they were going to kill us, rape our women, they had some pathogen that we weren't going to be able to fucking deal with because there was no antibiotics or whatever it might be We were terrified of it and that's still the module. It's in there so funny I'm even on that but like because I rotate between medical and surgical jobs and That's how people that they're like, oh, so fucking surgeons like there just it are the bloody medics always refer anyone with abdominal pain It becomes such an us and them like our oh, football teams, it's in everything.

People kill each other over stuff. Yeah, yeah. Because the biggest one isn't it. Tri-malism, man. You need to flag on the ground, but it's like, he's one of us. He's drinking with us. And it's like, hang on a second. If you're fucking annihilating yourself and taking two steps back this weekend, if you

were that good of a friend, you'd support me in my cause for sobriety. So that was like one of the main questions, or one of the main issues people have when they go sober is, how do I do this when all of my friends are on me drink? And it's like, well, it'll identify exactly who the friends are that are in your life that are good for you. Yeah. Because the ones who are like, fucking hell, man, are you trying that? Like, if you explain your Because the ones who are like, fucking hell, man, are you trying that? Like if you explain your reasons, really, you're gonna fucking out, well, like, Fab layman, as opposed to, what, like, are you not coming out,

are you thinking better than us? Like, what, are you not coming out and it's like, it's like, it's like, it's better than you're best interests at heart. They don't care. They only want you there if you're destroying yourself with them. And if you can only bear to be around your friends when you're drunk, like,

you definitely need better friends. Full stop. I think it comes from... So, I have some friends who sometimes don't drink, and they are boring as soon when they do that. Not just because they're sober, but I think it's because they're in this mindset of like, I'm not really fully participating here. They leave early. They're not there fully participating here. They leave early, they're not, they're a bit,

you know, they're reserved. You stuff to get example, like he's there and he'll be there till it finishes, whatever the things finishes. He's not drinking and you can't, you don't even notice. In fact, he's probably more like inhibited. Yeah, inhibited. Unhibited, then other people who are drinking.

But that's a lot of that is to do with the fact that you should have never had to rely on alcohol to be that crux to make them sociable. But you've developed that particular pathway to be like, oh, I can be here and I cannot drink, but I can also be a part of this group. But I've been on night out with you and you're not drinking. Ben's another good example.

Like they're just there. They're not drunk, but they're still being, it's still having a good time. They're still engaging in it. And I think where this, for me anyway, where I'll have a resistance to it is if some people say, I'm bringing the car, you feel like saying, look, just don't come because you don't, you don't really want to be there. You're just kind of doing half so that no one gives you shit. But I think it's's for some people it feels like there's a shift in the way that they act when I say, right, I'm not bringing the car off. I'm not driving right. It's fucking out. Let's get on it boys. But there's no reason why you can't just be like that. It's like the thing I was saying with

the nightclub, once you realize that it's all an illusion anyway and that you can just be how you want. And if people judge you then, they're going to judge you either way, so just have a good time. And then people will give you less shit if you're just an interesting person. So there's, and so again, you're super right with that. That alcohol is still controlling that person who's chosen to go sober, but is being super reserved. They're still controlling their behavior. They're just now controlling their behavior, what bites absence rather, bites present. Yeah, but see both factors, well, a lot of people were like, was that that thing where they

gave people an alcoholic? Yeah, they gave two, like two tables, not alcohol, it'd be an alcoholic meal. They just acted the same. I think they measured like how much of the food they ate. Oh, you've seen that one? No. They gave them like onion rings and stuff and getting them out, they got in the rate, they're perceived drunkenness and how much of the food they ate. And it wasn't that different. No. They gave them like onion rings and stuff and getting them out, they got in the rate that perceived drunkenness and how much of the food they ate and it wasn't that different. Right, interesting. Which is crazy.

It's like if you're drinking an alcoholic beer, there is a similar, like I've had times where I've drunk an alcoholic beer, got in the car and thought, oh fuck. But then you're in me, like, it's ludicrous. Like, you know, like, to go, aren't gonna put alcohol in a non-alcoholic beer. They might, I mean, it's a big lawsuit.

So I'm being shit, yeah. There's a, there's a particular, I was gonna do a YouTube video on this, but I couldn't do it without just essentially calling people out by name. So I'll try and, I'll try to navigate this like five times before I just gave up. I have a problem with, you two may not be exposed to this because you're not massively exposed to party culture but people listening will know this person or these people. Guys specifically, mostly

guys who have this semi-flotatious, almost like gay candor before they go on a night out talking about how heavy the night's going to be. It's like, oh mate, can't wait to shut down Newcastle tonight, Horn emoji, Horn emoji, Obergine emoji. Like, oh, do you remember last time we're in there? And it's like, are you going in there and rubbing up against each other or something? Like, what are you doing on your night out that makes you think that you have a license to use this sort of language in advance? This isn't Dan Bilzerian's fucking villa. You're not unloading yourself into the fucking Playboy mansion here.

You are going on a night out to sit in the corner, be nervous about talking to the girls and complain because George didn't put five pounds in for the bottle of vodka. Like, yeah, that's the complaint you have. And I see these people. The same guys who give it massive licks before they go on the night out. And I like, yeah, man, it's going to be fucking sick tonight. Like, oh, they have this like weird, measuring thing going on before where it's like, yeah, like you think that you're going to run rings around me, but just you wait till we get in there, and it's like, you're drinking. This isn't a commercially available drug.

This isn't the Abu Dhabi F1. Like, you're not the people who are looking at this. I know it's so far outside of my reference book, because I would have thought like, oh, I want to get as drunk as possible for as cheaply as possible. I want to be the lightest weight person in the group, because... Yeah, it's interesting interesting isn't it? It's being lightweight is seen as a bad thing. Well, actually, he's spent three pounds

and we're getting it to right of passage. It's like, look, I'm able to drink this much because I've drank this much before and more. It's very self-referential, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting though, like because that fuels the same thing, if you break from that, your

friends are like, oh no, but you've got to be like us again. And it's like, yeah, it does differentiate the people that, not necessarily that they have bad intentions, but they just, they prioritize their own sense of security over what's best for you. And it's why, like, I'm so grateful to Johnny for being supportive of the fact, because obviously we text quite a lot for pro-plane stuff. But Johnny was probably one of the only people that was like wholeheartedly supportive of me getting rid of my phone, getting like a Nokia 3310, even though he would be the person in the implantifiably who was the most in the short term would be most impacted by it

But I suppose like probably because you like I've seen the scene in the long term, yeah, but yeah But the light in the end I don't know box. Yeah, it's so I think To go back to why people don't or one of the fears that people have about going sober it's like well if I don't drink Well, one of the fears that people have about going sober, it's like, well, if I don't drink, then all of my friends are going to say, why you're not drinking, it's going to be social pressure, maybe I'll stop getting invited out to whatever. Like, how do I, the question I get a lot is, like, how do you deal with social pressure you're around people who would drunk all the time? How do you deal with it?

And for the most part, I think the same is with a lot in life. It's like, if you say things with conviction, people will go, fucking out. It's like when I first started doing sobriety, I was very open about my reasons. I was like, I want more time to spend on some other stuff and I'm challenging myself to see if I can do it. Like, I'm challenging myself to see if I can do it. Turns it from you abstaining from something, to you adding something.

It's like, I'm trying to achieve this thing. It's like, I'm gonna make why you going out for that morning run. I'm doing a marathon. I wanna train for the marathon. I wanna see if I can do it. It's like, why you're not drinking? Oh, well, I want to see if I can not go

so with six months. And I found like, I'm patient fucking zero for being exposed to people who want you to drink. But there's no top, top point one of a percentile on the globe of humans that have been exposed to drunk people I'll be in easily. Easily. Easily.

You've seen the most drunk. Yeah, by miles. Well, you've been developed the... Oh, a special handshake for keeping people away from me when I try and when they try and fucking come into It's wetty. So if I can do it and if I can do it with conviction and you can maybe say well You're in a position of authority for the club stuff. Maybe that kind of means that people are less pushy But it's bullshit that I sit down with with loads of people new people and blah blah blah. And as soon as you explain, I just want you to a bit more time or money or just wanted to challenge myself, see if

I can do it. And people seem to be really responsive. Which, if you do it with confidence. Yeah. It shines a light back on them, doesn't it? It's like when you see examples of couple as well, like one of them will get in shape or one of them will like hire a PT and start losing weight and it like pisses the other one off because it immediately alienates. It alienates, but it also like they're forced to deal with their lack of progress in that area. People don't like to see other people growing around them. Exactly.

They're only happy if you're destroying yourself with them and this is one of, for me, by fortune or whatever, my circle has always been fairly small in any case, so I've never had an influence that's been that negative, but I see it with a lot of people. It's barren like that's literally talking about your life, like that someone's fucking around with the values that you lead your life by. That person could have said to you, Hey, man, like I watched this podcast with the modern wisdom thing and they talked about going sober like you fancy Chuck trying to do it for a bit. Should we do dry January or whatever? And your response to that person could be the beginning of them

making a really interesting change to their life. Or it could be, now I'm like, fuck that. Like it's Jon Os' 30 second. Like you can't miss Jon Os' 30 second. He's going to York for it. You're like, you're not going to miss it. Just what do you mean? What do you mean?

We're going to York again. For John, I was 30 seconds. This 31st was fucking shit. Like, do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very repetitive. I don't know, man. I think that there's definitely,

so I think something that I know that we all do is like, there's something you do as a behavior. So I'm like, right, I'm gonna try and not do that. Like I love doing caffeine, sleeping in a bed, masturbation, phone use is the latest one. Phone use social media and like, that's my latest, like, still don't feel like I'm sleeping late, sleeping in, all sorts of stuff, eating, not eating, for a day.

So that, yeah, go on. Well, just how I think people do dry January and you'll see it happen as January rolls around. Like people's social media fills up with, like, can't wait for, you know, people put those countdown timers on their Instagram. So when they get to have a drink again. And then they go back out, it just isn't, it just isn't intense fashion. And like, realistically, all you've done, you know, this is renouncing something and

then bringing it back harder into your life. Yeah, we've done it. You've maybe given internally a month of arrest those systems, but like what a fact, especially if you go harder when you go back. Oh yeah, the first couple of weekends where you compensate.

Yeah, it's like the first. It's like the person that's using intimate and fasting wrong. Yeah, it's like, oh, I won't eat for today, but I'll eat triple tomorrow. No, no. But it's a number's work. You know, the people who are like, there's all the stuff about, it's Friday, so it's Prosecco time, or can't wait for Saturday when I'm...

It was a clerk, exactly. That stuff, that is, in my view, like, those are the people that need a year off it. You need time to realise that. Yeah, just to rich is like, you are using, you are using a drug to cover up parts of your life that may be on right at the moment. You're using the use of a drug to determine your weak, your weekly Caders. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like, and it must sound like to some people that are listening, like a lot of the things that we talk about, it must sound so fucking autistic, like, for us to just be like, you know this thing that's taken for granted by everyone, what we'd really like to do is find out what's going on really.

So you're my magnifying glass. Like, but it is, like, I promise you, for the people that are listening, think to yourself, is a good question to ask. When was the last time that you didn't drink for more than six months, for even a week for some people? Yeah. Okay. When was the last time you didn't drink for a week?

When was the last time you didn't drink, apart from pregnancies for women? When was the last time that you didn't drink for a month? And when was the last time that you didn't drink for a month and when was the last time you didn't drink for six months and that six month distribution will be the most of the people that are listening before this started drinking. That's you discovered someone told you upon the day that you arrived on this earth, you're going to have this drug from the age of 16 until the time you die more frequently than once every six months or more frequently than once every month offers some people more frequently than once every week. It'd be like, is this like mandatory?

Is this like a part of, do I have to sign this off as part of my membership to life or something? You know, the supersize versus super skinny thing where they take someone who's super sized and skinny and they go, who is what you've eaten in a week? And they show it all on a tube. Yeah, super skinny is like 50 red bulls and like some coffees, loads of pasta cigarettes. That's something that's figured out

that caffeine's quite good for appetite, especially in the just like, carbon age rates in a caffeine. And then like the fat person has just got piles of like pasties and like, door beige isn't it? Yeah, one tall color. Yeah.

And if you were to do that with the alcohol ahead of time and also you have like a big blown up 3D rotating image of your liver and just showing like how it's getting more rose over the years you'd be like, actually. Because I think if we were sat here now, probably not you included, we'll include the VMD. If we were to have four beers, I think we'd all enjoy the four beers, apart from you. The fifth beer, six beer, maybe not. It tapes down, I think quite quickly. I think the process of you're in a bar with your mates chatting, you have a couple of beers, it's quite nice.

It's when you start getting plays with it. It is when you start getting silly with it. Right, all along. But like past then, really, it's just all done. Shit. So there's two like little cliches that I've come up with since thinking about this. One of them is that every drink you have makes not having a subsequent drink more difficult. Everyone's been out and one wine turns into a couple of beers, turns into a bottle of vodka turns into a kebab at three in the morning. Everyone's let it get wet. Like there's even that super fucking meme about, I just popped out and now I've ended up out. Do you know what I mean? Is that?

And then the other thing that I realized, I keep meaning to make a graph about this, but alcohol gives you diminishing margins of return in terms of pleasure, but gives you an exponential increase in terms of suffering. So 10 beers doesn doesn't w enjoyment from 5b is, but it more than doubles your suffering the next day. It starts to become really quite serious actually. Anyone who's had like, so I think if we're talking pints over 7 and you're into some real quite serious territory there, like that's a lot of volume. I need to, so there's a glass ceiling that I bounce off unless I get spirits out. Yeah, like there's only,

because you just limited gastrointestinally. Yeah, like you're just a mechanical, yeah, errors. Yeah, I can just fit so much in and I'm sick of, it's like I can make myself full enough to want to throw up if I'm allowed to have dessert, but I couldn't do it with just savings. So I know this is like the extreme case, but imagine like this is a spectrum that you get some,

you get patients in hospital that their entire calorie intake, 3,200 calories a day, which I worked at, it's like, is the amount of spirit that they're drinking and it's just that every day's a little just. Ah, spirit. Just have vodka, 3,000 calories of vodka a day. No protein.

No protein. What, why don't I want you? Do you you do you like know that you're very lean or with a with a like a with a bit of a like swollen swollen organs but but like yeah that's 3,000 during a calorie today of spirit and so you end up having to give them like replacement visumen injections as like an urgent thing because they're so deprived on everything you know. You got scurvy and stuff like that yeah we like yeah there's something called pabranx which is just like the big, whacking dose of vitamin replacement.

Is that like the, is it Narkan for getting people out of opiod? Opiods, that's Narkan that they use. It's a nasal spray that just binds to the receptors but it binds it binds harder than the drugs do. But that's like when you give that you have to like run out the room because they'll get a punchy. They get really angry. Yeah. Oh yeah, oh really? Is that why? Yeah, you've just wasted that. Yeah, because it just cuts it stops the high and they have they have in the great time but they're obviously in respiratory depression and you like. I can't breathe. And you give them the the nullification they have they have in the great time but they're obviously in respiratory depression and you like I can't breathe obviously and you give them the the nalipses and they're like you usually have to like either like tie them to the bed or something or have a tissue policeman

to a tazer tazer and you like I love how they say tazer twice I don't know why it's just completely like if you have to shout tazer and then you're going to get tasered the second taser at that point is just... Well you know it's coming then, you know what I mean? To say it's right, yeah, it's supposed to be because there'll be loads of times where you might say the word taser once and they're over there, fuck, yeah, fair enough. Waiting for the second taser. As we have to test that, like if you have a room of policeman you just shout taser and everyone's like, I think you can go any taser and everyone's just... Have you ever had to test that? Or like, if you have a room of policeman, you just shout, tazers in every one of my life. I think you can go in and shout, tazers in every one of yours. Have you ever been tazered? Have I ever been tazered?

Have you? Have you been tazered? What the fuck? Someone in college had a hand held one. I got caught in the back of the door. Oh, that's so hot. I'm talking about the one that, like, you did a nasty nipple then, yeah.

Just, how long was the stun gun like? It put me on the floor in the hamstring. Like, it just immediately like, just cramps you up. Disabled, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the fact that, the fact that it's, that people use that as a controlling thing. It doesn't surprise me because it's so inhibiting. In the living, but it's also, it's mad.

Isn't there a video of a guy just getting tazed and he just deals with it? He's like a juggernaut terrifying. Yeah. Because you think like, it's all right like a juggernaut telephine. Yeah. Because you think like, it's all right in the UK because we've got tasers. You know what you need? Taser, taser, taser.

Oh, the big taser. Like the mini gun taser, then we have Yeah. Well, they're trying all the different, like, to the other thing and the spray, it was the same. So, the one where it shoots a little bag, who's seeing that one, it's under it, it's such as it shoots like a tiny little hard bag at them. Like a bean bag or whatever. Pritch it or whatever.

He just, I like guessing it. He wants to have not be full bullets. Yeah, yeah. I want to come back from an after party. I want to come back to our after party in Ibiza to find Prichard in our barbecue kiln. Prichard. Prichard from Dirty Sanchez in our barbecue kiln

then he jumped off the roof of the villa into the pool and nearly broke his leg. Those guys have a really great, I really envyable attitude. You know what he's doing now? Like, hit himself. Hardcore, Iron Man and tri broke his leg. Those guys have a really great, I really envy you, but actually, you know what you're doing now? Like, hit yourself. Hardcore, Iron Man and triathlete. I'm not surprised.

And he's like really good. Yeah, I'm not surprised. He's like really, really good. He's just been extreme person. If you can tolerate that kind of pain for, I think it's funny. You know, you know what they said, the most painful thing that they'd ever, ever done was,

you see when they jumped into nettles. I've seen that, yeah, to the most painful thing that they've done to me. Really? More than they were eating done. Really? Yep. They were eating them, putting them on their balls. That's so easy. Is it like making payballing and stuff on there?

But I suppose at that point, like one of them got shot in the dick. They got shot on the shaft. On the, yeah. I've been shot on the glands with them, payballing it was very, but do you even feel it? LAUGHTER Oh, man. It was very, did you even feel it? I didn't even feel it. It was very, did you even feel it?

It was very, did you even feel it? It was very, did you even feel it? It was very, did you even feel it? It was very, did you even feel it? It was very, did you even feel it? It was very, did you even feel it? It was very, did you even feel it? It was very, did you even feel it?

It was very, did you even feel it? It was very, did you even feel it? It was very, did you even feel it? Guys, what? And he's eating the key. That's like, you three give me a key. My favorite ones were they put, a guy's asleep and they put an electric bounded dog collar on him. So when he tries to leave the sofa, I just, I don't know how he goes down, gets up, he's like, shout and he's swearing at them. He just goes again. He's in like location based. It's a locate like ring fence. So I think that the round is neck and he can't get it off.

There's a video from Tough Mudder, where this guy, so you know in Tough Mudder, the final bit, electro shock therapy, there's some of them that have got 10 million bolts in them. I didn't know this. So some of the... The Tough Mudder. Yeah, but if the amp, the amp,

or the wattage, whatever's really low, the voltage is super high. So some of them. Of mother. Yeah, but if the amp the amp the what is your what I was really love. The vault is super high. So yeah, it flaws people, but there's maybe let's say there's 500 of these little threads. It's not when you under under the ice, is it like surely that'll be pretty much. No, so imagine imagine a bunch of different pieces of string that is 20 feet wide by 50 feet long. And you have to they're all dangling. There's 500 pieces of strength, let's say, the wires, like little wires and you have to run through the wires. Some of the wires

have no voltage, some of them are basically non, some of them have enough to hurt and some of them have this 10 mil and you have to, you have to go through them and there's a different... That's so cute that you have to sign there. Yeah, the way it's awful. So there's some different strategies, the strategy to do it, I've asked the guy who created Tough Mudder, is to run through it as fast as possible. Yeah, because the way that wattage works is it's like a capacitor that goes up

and then discharges, it goes up and then discharges. So if you move very slowly, you'll get the flow. You'll end up getting it at some point because you'll be touching all of them at the point that they discharge. And there's this one video of this guy who's like running and he gets like clocked by this one. It's right at the very end, it gets clocked by this one, but they're about that far off the floor. So then he's on the floor, face down in this mud, and then every time that

he pushes himself up, it just gets him again. So he just goes, surely that's the point where it's like a friend of his health. Well, he does. If it's a son of snake, you weigh. Yeah, that's why. Eventually, it's like creeping forward, like half a foot each time. That's really made me reframe the tough mother. Like I thought it was like running with the other, like a barrel, yeah. It's a good distance. It's like a 15k as well. running with the other if a barrel. It's a good distance. It's about 15K as well. Oh God. Anyway, there's so much more that we've got to talk about for sobriety and we've gone

off topic as always. But if anyone wants to find out a little bit more, if you head to sixonesober.com slash podcast, you can find out a little bit of info or just give me a DM. If you have any questions or thoughts about what we've talked about at Chris Wellex on all info, or just give me a DM. If you have any questions or thoughts about what we've talked about, at Chris Wellex on all social media, just give me a DM. I'm happy to give you a little bit of advice about how I think you could go dry for January or if you're watching this in 2022 in the middle of June or something. Just drop me a message and we'll see where we go from there.

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