Modern Wisdom - #131 - What I Would Tell My 18 Year Old Self

Episode Date: January 6, 2020

Jonny & Yusef join me for the first episode of the new year as we ask each other what would we tell ourselves 10 years ago. If you were given a 30 second phone call to yourself 10 years ago, what would you say? Buy Bitcoin? Learn to meditate? End that relationship? Do not dye your hair blonde? Today you get to hear us crack under the pressure of an imaginary phone call to our younger selves and then reflect on everything we've learned.  Extra Stuff: Take a break from alcohol and upgrade your life - https://6monthssober.com/podcast Check out everything I recommend from books to products - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oh yes, hello friends, welcome to a new year and a new decade for that matter. It is the first modern wisdom after the Christmas break and we've come back with what might be my favourite ever topic, what I would tell my 18 year old self. This one is almost difficult to hear, it's weird to say things and hear advice come out of your own mouth, which kind of scares you a little bit. But yeah, I really enjoyed this episode, looking at the similarities between what myself, Joni and Yniusif have learned over the last 10 years, drawing the common lessons that we've made and also the unique ones as well. We even gave ourselves the opportunity

to call younger us and tell them something for 30 seconds, which again, we're weirdly felt really pressured, even though it wasn't real. I felt like I'm going to do a lot of pressure. And Johnny's phone call was far better than mine in UCIFS because he went last. I don't think I'd actually want a phone call from me. I would want me 10 years ago to get a phone call from Johnny on balance. But yeah, what an absolutely epic way to start the new year of programming off with. I know that you want as much Johnny and Eufis. Johnny and Eufis, as much Johnny and Eufis as you can get your hands on and I promise I'm going to try and tie them down to the couch so that we can push as many good episodes out as we can across 2020. And finally, I'm going to guess that as you listen to this episode, there will be a number of people that come

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which is Monday and Thursday, because we're back in business after the Christmas break. 2020, let's go. Okay, right, right, right, listen up here. Yeah. Podcast time. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. I'm joined by Johnny and you said from prop in fitness.com. Johnny and you said you said from Johnny. And Johnny. And Johnny from Yusif. Yusif's got rid of the mustache. She's back now with a beard. It's about a lot of goodness. So much better.

Less pedo-y. What? Did you see the mention that in the last one? Does that mean? Yeah, we have to play the podcast game of time. Yeah, anyway. Today we were talking about advice that we would give ourselves 10 years ago. Pretty good opportunity for us to just unload all of the shit that we've learned over the last 10 years.

But we're going to try and keep it to within an hour. So hopefully be nice and condensed. Maybe you can take some wisdom away that we've gleaned, hardened wisdom over the last few years through blood and sweat and tears and feces. Our loss is your game. That's a really good tagline for a product. A some kind. Like a hair loss product or something.

Well that'd be your loss as our game. Well yeah, which is a bit insidious. Because if you lose your hair then we're out of business. I suppose we'll actually know because in that instance we're getting too much into it anyway So let's let's do some framing. Johnny what sort of a person where you how old are you and what sort of a person were you 10 years ago? I was Maths time I was 19

Very blonde yeah, I died by hair blonde at the time was it homilites? I was fully died full Yeah, I died by hair blonde at the time. Was it homilites or was it fully died? Full, head-o, head-o. I think it's the only Facebook status I remember you posting as just as like a status. It was quoting your dad. Oh yeah, said that. I mean, I'm not gonna do it.

So yeah, no, no, because. You have to start the podcast again. Oh, yeah, okay. But it was a derogatory remark made about Johnny's head. I was probably quite, so I think the thing that I would tell 19 year old Johnny and probably 20 year old, 21 year old, 22 probably up to like,

we're getting into it already. 27, well, it's just because this is the theme, like you think you know it all, don't you, when you're 19, you think you've got to figure it out. You're like, yeah, I've been through my teens now. I know the crack, I know the score, I know the seed. You haven't got a fucking clue until you're at least 28, 27, and I would say probably 39 year old me.

It's gonna think of that. You're saying the same thing. And that probably, I just think your entire 20s are just this one big realization that nothing's unbelievable. If you don't know where you're going to. You're just fumbling around in a dark room.

Yeah, trying to find the light. Which you're looking, what's that? I can't use that. What's the name of that? I can't use that. That's our date. Yeah. Fuck you.

Okay, so let's take it from the top. Would you tell 19-year- old Johnny to not die his hair? That's a question. This is the question that the internet has tuned in to here. That's where everyone's here. Yes. All these people here. Thousands of people.

That's why they're in here. I think, you have to do things to learn why. So like I had told myself not to and I wouldn't have listened to me. Maybe I would listen to me. I don't know. You also don't want to be one of those people who at the age of 40 never died the hair when the were a team. Midlife crisis.

So what happened was I finished school. I went on a holiday, like the holiday a lot of people go on when they finish school, broke up with the girlfriend I was with at the time, I was just about to go to uni and had all this like really long summer ahead of me. I was like you know what, bolux I'm going to die my hair. I'm going to become the guy that has blonde hair. Yeah, I was like I'm just going to become this like different person. And I think going into uni, it did a lot for my confidence. And I can't place why. But at the time, like now it would be really weird.

Like I think no one does that, but at the time, loads of people were. So yeah, I probably would do it again. So what else were you? What was your identity? About 77 kilos. Okay, yeah, that's a lot of weight gain. I'd gone from them. Two kilos a year over 10 years.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that right actually? Probably around 80 kilos. Is that right? Yeah. I remember the end of school you went up to, was it, he was in stone at the time so I think he kissed a hundred posts holiday. No, no, no, down.

That, and then almost right, but I'd be in it uni for a bit. Okay. Anyway, yeah, we're good in the weeds. So yeah, just come out of like doing a lot of running. So I did a lot of running when I was that age. Like, yeah, I was good at running, actually. Probably thought I was just going to follow a traditional path. So, probing didn't exist then?

2008. Yeah. It was the, also it did, the outline of it existed. But I thought it thought it was like there's nowhere I'll ever do that as a more than a joke. I was studying economics probably pretty boring. Bursing can get a uni and just blow it all out let loose. Just give the tubes a good. Just give the piling clean. Just all pipes. Okay, just give me a good, a good rule.

You're really getting it. All right, so that's why you were 10 years ago. Yes, Seth, what were you 10 years ago? So I'm looking forward to this. Yeah, there's a lot of differences there. I think just going back one year more. So just before 18th birthday was 59 kilos. What do you know?

Went up. So over three months I gained 30 kilos. Went up to 90. Thinking it was all muscle. Over three months. It was probably three to six months. It was when I was doing like, Pine of Double Cream Before Bed, shots of Olive Oil throughout the day.

Mutant mass had consumed 8 kilos of that, which is a 1,000 calorie drink that you have, 2,000 calorie drink that you have to ice a day. Just like plowed the food. Otherwise was very religious. How did that manifest? Spent a lot of time in the mosque was celibate, didn't drink. One of the kind of... I have a memory of you, sir, from this period of time. One of the only numbers I have, we were on art trip. We were being like 18-17. I was on Ramadan.

Yeah, and I was walking, not my done. We were in Ambal, Ambal side on an art trip. I went for a piss at like four in the morning. There was a light on someone in a room, put my head in, use a sat by himself, eating a green pepper, like an apple. So this is the difference between like the flipping between extremes of, at the time, probably weighed under 60 kilos. Shreddy though. Shreddy. Shreddy. But thinking that a green pepper is

the thing to eat when you've got a window of time to eat in Ramadan and you support trying to retain your super low volume super high volume super low calorie. Like, couldn't have found a vegetable with lower calories really, so. And then, mostly, yeah, isn't it? But you want to open it up and it's just a whole episode of it, yeah. And then switched from that to the other extreme. So, yeah, very quiet, religious, not really know why I was at uni or what I was doing, like, went into do maths just because I thought, oh, I like maths. And then ended up kind of on the wrong track and not. So there was some lessons

to be learned from that. But the, I was also very reckless with my body in that obviously gaining Obviously gaining my demands of weight, but also just training on and through pain quite a lot. So There's a few training mistakes to get into as well, but I'm sure we'll get into that. So you didn't squat squat in three times a week or something for a while. Yeah, I mean to breathing squats. We yeah breathing squats. We I mean we rotate it through all kinds of Every every stupid diet and training seems like sort of so hearing some of the common themes between both of your guys and things, what you've come back with is fitness. So in one form or another fitness was still a really big bit of your life when you were 10 years ago. We were pre-menopausal. So it was...

I think probably both of us pre-fitness were probably, maybe not for you, I was fat lacking in confidence, like 16, 17 year old me, like no female attention, no, like didn't really think very much of myself. And then fitness was my like access into gaining self belief, I think. Was that the same for you? Or lesser? It was something that I just kind of... I don't think I've got as much of a rocky story for that. But it's definitely the common thread that went between extremes of just trying mental stuff and then... 10 years later, going to join in a cult of forced submerging for two hours a day, getting banned from Jasmine Pool.

Reminders to set yourself to just eat a big bowl of spinach, nothing's changed. That is good for a few years ago. Now it's very much just on maintenance mode. I think having shaken all that stuff out, clearing out the pipes, it's just on the mechanism of a bean. It's how we all met, there was no fitness. In one way or another, it's true. So we met, because in the in school gym we met Chris because of

Ben. Pro pain fitness. We met Ben because of Harrison. Yeah so all left him. Yeah, left him's back to Babel. Well I mean where were you 10 years ago Chris? So I would have been 21. So in the central reservation in Spain. 10 years later that was 25. Right. There's a little while before I went on to see. So you've been finishing uni? No, so I did a placement year. And then also did Masters. Right. So I didn't have uni at 23.

We met, we'd have met you. 25. So one year, no sorry, 24. Right. So 21, I would have been still running carnage, which is a big bar crawl in Newcastle. You have still saved my phone as Christmas carnage. I can tell the people that know me from that era because they just call me carnage. And it's the most bizarre thing to hear someone say that now.

The same as people that don't know that used to have a massive afro. The same as people that don't know that was on tape me out on Love Island. Like you have these e-beers of your life, and people are riding it. And especially if you do kind of what we've done and you're in the world of online marketing, or like content creation, or whatever, there are people that have never become like, there'll be people that you will have listened to 10 years ago that you don't listen to now, you know, like the guys from like, um, T-Nation or whatever,

like maybe I would quote that stuff inside of it. So it's Afro like a line in the sand for you. That like, is that a time that? I think so, yeah. Have you had, I don't know if you've had anyone who, you haven't seen since pre-Afro, and then they approach you and speak to you as if, like as the Chris that they knew,

and it's almost like a... As Afro-carnage. Yeah, maybe a little bit. Like, there's a phenomenon where people put you in a role that they remember you, Kinn. Well, until they update the programming, why should they consider it? Well, they've got to extrapolate forward. You know, I mean, unless you come and you've now got like long hair and dreads and you

cover in tattoos and you wear an elephant pants,. Like why would they presume that anything's changed? Yeah. So, um, so yeah, 21, I would have been fully drinking the club promoter Kool-Aid. I would have just completed. So right now considering that we're in December, I would have just been kicked out of Scotland by Scottish Parliament, um, for having our personal licenses threatened for both me and Darren, and through our BBC Radio Parliament Scotland, because they didn't want carnage doing multi-site bar crawl events in their cities.

So we ran out, I would have also just been hit head on at 60 miles an hour by a snow plow on the A1 going up to Scotland, which hit by a snow plow at 60 miles an hour, so 120 mile an hour impact That was fun It's amazing that you were right. Yeah, we only clipped us but the damage was intense every airbag deployed and all the rest of it Anyway, that was that was fun, but this is what I was out in Jamaica I was hosting in top-top palace with my top off Three nights a week, Thursday Friday Saturday. Yeah, Stencil spray paint.

This is where I put you in the Scot Timlin, and so I've made a few little Scot Disney lands, all that, like that whole crew, that was it. So that was I think probably the height of or close to the height of like hyper-party in for me. But yeah, again with that, like I'd started to attach a lot of my sense of self-worth to my success within business, to my notoriety socially around town. I think going through school I'd been less central central socially with big groups of people and stuff and then you get to uni and it's the ultimate chance to reinvent yourself and become someone and have a tighter social circle. And yeah, I just had found my feet with that, and then it becomes like this self-perpetuating cycle

of like, no more people become more popular, party more, no more people become more popular, and then you can always justify it because it's like, well, it's my job. Like, my job is to know people, the more people that know me, the more come to my events, the more money we make. So yeah, that would have been that

and then rolling it forward for me, there was quite an important period between 21 and 24 which was when I started to properly become a businessman with regards to events, run, started running weekly Saturdays. And anyway I think a lot of my time again there was fitness, was quite bothered about my training, was about to go so in six months time I would have been going to go and do a season in Ibiza, like fell in love with a girl out in Ibiza and went and had this like crazy holiday romance thing out there which was like a really interesting, like beautiful experience to actually let even 10 years on still like a lovely thing to look back on. But yeah I think that was that's kind of probably a pretty good landscape to do that. So to give it a headline, right,

we can get into some nuance and stuff in a second, but you've got 30 seconds. You can phone yourself 10 years ago from now and you've got 30 seconds. Oh, I like it. Speak to them and I'm gonna time it on here. So you can have a minute to prep. I actually got asked this.

Oh no, it's in the 6 minute diary. It's in the 6 minute diary and it's like you've got 30 seconds, so I just wrote it out. So I think I can probably afford to go first if you want. Okay. Right. Jumei, it's I can watch it on here if I see it. Okay. So ring ring, ring ring.

Hello. Hi mate, it's Chris. Don't ask. Right, you need to stop drinking and focus on personal development. You need to learn to focus on yourself first and not on other people. Confidence comes from within. You don't know as much as you think you do. Stop getting into relationships with girls that are bad for you.

No, I really mean it. Stop getting into relationships with girls that are bad for you. You need to spend time around with the people, you need to travel more, and you need to let go of the feeling that you are not good enough. There you go. That's 20 seconds. Oh, but I've got that hair. If you got that phone call, you'd just be like, who like Kelly's throughout the plane. So the big thing, the big things for me, or like the big things to take out of that headline were, I kept on getting in and out of relationships with girls and the longer term reason for that was because I hadn't had a lot of relationships when I was younger. I had a difficulty saying, no, this isn't right,

because I deep down, I don't think I felt like I was worthy. So it's like, who might have say to this girl that like, I'm not supposed, like, I shouldn't hurt her and I think that that stemmed from me being like, well, I'm not supposed to have relationships. That wasn't what I've grown up with. This is all new to me. This is a blessing that I should be like really happy for or whatever, whatever. And then other things were, I was focusing very much so on what other people thought of me. I was bothered about like how I was regarded by everybody else as opposed to indulging in my own, like genuinely in my own interests, which is what I do now with this podcast. It's like I get to speak to whoever I want and if people like it great and if they don't

then fantastic also, like I'm just bothered about what I do pursuing all the passions that I do now again is mostly the same and like behold into very few people and I don't care so that was that was headlines for me so who wants to go up next? Johnny, you Ring ring ring ring answer hi it's me and you I need to stop because I had it so clearly my head a minute ago it's gone all right it's gone it's gone okay It's gone. It's gone. It's gone. Okay. Well, I mean, there's no more high-pressure phone call that you've ever got to make.

If you got a call from you, if you just love it, it was like, I mean, the other thing is it's in chin paradox or something. It's like, how to define your life values. And it's like, you've got one, imagine you're in your deathbed, and your grand kid comes up to you and says, granddad what's a what's a what's a sort of single sense of advice you give me and you've got a minute and that's how to define in your life what's most important but with that in mind here comes you sir. Ring ring. Hello ring. Hello, you're speaking.

That is correct. So listen to me very carefully. Ditch religion. Ditch the girlfriend. Progressively overload. Pick a single program. Do it for the next 10 years. Don't deviate. Only gain

maximum one kilogram per month. Take a year, think about what you want to do. And add another one. Spent time and dad. Yeah, that was this. I don't know. Spent time with your parents, meditate, read, do it properly. Isn't it interesting that it's such simple shit and it's so boring, like if I'd got that call from me, fucking hell, all right man. Oh yeah, well, I definitely wonder what I was to hear this. Don't slip a disc.

Cause I wanna put, oh no, I wanna get like a deadlift PB even if it hurts. Like, no, that's for the rest of your life. That slip disc is there. Dude, not, slip disc. Dude, not ring me. Yeah, it's like, if I'd got that phone call 10 years ago from fucking boring us, 31 year old mates.

So you've been so about how long? It's that really long. Oh, how many birds have you banged in that time? Yeah. And you got rid of the hair. Right, well, you must still at least be lifted. Crossfit. What, what's that? Oh, you don't even exist. I know. Right Jonathan. Right. I've met a medalist.

Are you checking it twice? Nautilus. Nautilus. Checking it twice. Ring ring. Ring ring. Hello, right. One, two, five, three, one, and track calories from today. Don't deviate from that until you stop progressing on the key lift. Start meditating from now. Google it, figure out basic stuff, just begin, do something to you ten minutes. Go to things, go to events, go to things with friends, even if you think that's a bad idea, that's a waste of time. You'll remember the experiences more than things that you accumulate or buy. Take propane more seriously sooner

Stop pissing around with it. Learn marketing and sales trading and coding Higher-coach sooner ask for help sooner. That's far better I wrote it down. Yeah, that's true. We've progressively mind is really messy yours was kind of messy and yours was fucking great I was thinking too much about the fitness because I've done a podcast already called, well, you say to your 18 year old self and it was three bits of advice, fitness wise, which is the two, five, three, one, four, 10 years, don't deviate, get as lean as possible once

and then just gain, like slowly re-dying back. You're really good at it. You're really good at it, man. It made me, and stay injury free. So, but then the other ones threw me off and those, so, but yeah. But there's so much I get in. Yeah. Take propane seriously, learn to code, learn to trade.

Like, start meditating. Yeah. Higher a coach. I think Jesus. Like if you're 18, I'd say go an hour a day, because you've got so much time when you're 18, but you think you don't do what an hour a day. Meditate an hour a day. Do you know what else I tell myself? Starting uni.

Do, so I would try, I'd write myself a more than routine that's still like pretty basic bitch, which would just be like, read two or three pages of something that you find interesting, meditate, and just do two pomodoroas of work. Like even if you do fuck all else for the rest of the day, just do two pomodoroas. That I never know premium.

Why, I didn't exist at the time. I can remember sitting in the corner of my room at uni, writing out, Googling, looking up on the like the Tesco website, making myself a diet plan, trying to work out macros and calories, because my fitness partner didn't exist. Jesus.

I was thinking about this. Hase of progress from 2009 to- Peter, I've got a fucking clue. And also, like, I feel like that was the golden era and it's boring now. I remember when I thought Cree-teen, I wasn't sure where the Cree-teen was legal. Oh, yeah.

Like, I remember Jack 3D used to have, I'm fed him, isn't it? Yeah. Well, the two Pomodoro's thing as well, like, I'm convinced that I wasted 18 months of total time between, and then you cram it. Yeah, between 18 and 23, I think, like... Right, right, it's dick and around.

That's more macro, you know what I mean? Yeah, you mean over several years. Okay, it's up and dick and around. We've heard what each of us have said. Oh, download called Turkey, that was going to be step one. Downloaded. This is what I mean. So my net diary was your best crack at tracking calories.

You know what I should have done, which would have fixed all of these by Bitcoin. If we'd all just said, by Bitcoin. Oh, God, God. And I bet he was like, I'm thinking of buying this, it's called Bitcoin. And I was like, that sounds stupid.

Okay, so by Bitcoin, by Facebook, because it just, by Amazon Amazon by Netflix, by Amazon. And then just that's your life. Don't bother with you. There's no point. Because those actually would be better than because all the advice we're saying now, with that, yes, it would have got you to a better stage, but actually we wouldn't have had any of the insight that would have generated the so this is the problem. This is one of the sort of site you feature for actually. Yeah, And then you can just work on everything. I still remember the conversation that we had where it was after that,

when oil like tanked. And we had like, maybe like 10 grand or something in the business. In the business. I was like, how much would we have made if we just shorted oil with oil in the business at the time? And you time and yourself was like, it would be infinite. I was just like, it would be infinite with no down days. Every single day between, I can't remember the dates, but it was like two year run of just like tanking oil. So you would have, you would have, you would have, you just let it run. Releveraging and just re-entering the trade

at 50 times leverage, you would have jerked. It's because, You might end it up with an anainus, like a windsaw. That's the result of that period of time, didn't you? It's because, yeah, because I've just entered far too late. It was the time when I think it was the sardines or the Q80s that were just dumping,

or I don't know why, not caring about the price. So that's an important thing. let's say that you're... Let's say you're someone who's... You can be any age and listening to it and thinking, oh, there's a couple of tiny little nuggets of wisdom in that flood of shit. That's really badly...

There's just been put out there. There are several people who just download 531 and start doing it though, right? That's... Another safe then. That's made me realise how terrible I'd be on a 30-second phone call with myself. You'd be like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh or we'll get into them in a second. But you've had modern wisdom, modern wisdom. This is 10 years ago wisdom. You've hidden on the head there that without context, without like the environment to absorb these understandings, it's fucking nothing. Like all of the, and I was going

to do a podcast on this age ago and I realized that it was a one sentence podcast, and the question was, why do realizations about our lives take so long to sink in? I can tell you, the equivalent of, make you're going to get hit by a car in 10 years time, and you won't believe it until you get hit by the car. Yeah. And we are doing that constantly riding the crest of now all the time. Like I know for an absolute fact that if I stopped doing Instagram, stop doing Twitter, stop doing Facebook and double down on podcast and YouTube,

my reach in five years time would be bigger than if I did that. And I'd be happy and I'd be more productive. And no, I know it for a fact. But I can't bring myself to do it until the point comes when I have be more productive. And no, I know it for a fact, but I can't bring myself to do it until the point comes when I have to do it. I think in five years time, it'll all just be one platform.

Well, just search platforms. I think the social stuff will be. It's from, it'll be one, weren't it? But I just think people are fighting it and moving away. Chris is right, like people want to search based content. Yeah. It's where you create a real following. So yeah, the not start YouTube channel.

That's not telling you so much. 10 years ago. Like really double down. I was about to get in good YouTube channels. Yeah. Like people were going high, like, like, little Facebook ads. Like the people who were running Facebook ads in 2007 Taking Kitch candy from a baby. So that is such a good point Like in fact anything online so writing a blog doing a YouTube channel like coding Yeah, any YouTube channel that is like has 1000 subscribers and is like mildly successful now Would have 100,000 followers back then if you use a decent camera That was all you'd need to do to differentiate.

So we can be wistfully nostalgic about the time when we could have been should have and would have as much as we want. But I think, yeah, without the context, like all of the lessons that we're talking about here kind of don't really matter. So this is one of the criticisms that I get about life hacks, although I think it's slightly different because those are designed to be piecemeal tools that you add into your life. They're not lessons that are supposed to be learned. But let's try and take some of the stuff. We've had this 30, you know, 90 seconds combined time. What are some of the things that we've tried to look at? We've said, with regards to training, the principle is find a program which forces progressive overload

and stick to it and do not change. So for me, it's encapsulated by, I think it's just use of quote, which is the bad news is there's no way to accelerate the process. The good news is there's no way to accelerate the process. Ironically, in us trying so desperately to accelerate the process. You're not that we're, yeah, like we're, and we were vacillating with all kinds of little, um, because that's it. Like some attempts at optimizing stuff. Yeah. To the point where we actually lost sight of the new picture, describing 30 seconds of what 531 is for people who don't know.

So it's non-linear periodization, which just means there is a light week, medium week, heavy week, D-load, and it focuses on core lifts, big, big lifts, and it's built-in progressive overload that can last a very long time. So if you just go to the gym and just try and lift more weight, you'll hit a robot pretty quickly. If you try and hit more reps, then more weight, you'll last a little bit longer, but again, hit a robot pretty quickly. If you just stick with 5 through 1, you start off so light, there's so much longevity built into the way it's programmed, it's so simple. You also learn the nice thing about it is so many people spend all this time in the gym, they don't really know what it's like to approach a barbell and be a bit worried about it. But we even, that forces you into a terrified

about it. That forces you into a level into? Absolutely. Terrified about it. With a 4-3-1. Yeah, 4-3-1. That forces you into a level of progression that you wouldn't access through, like, chest and back. The problem is it's very butterfly effect, because if Had Johnny and I had just done 5-3-1 from the age of 17 and not really thought about it

and should have let fitness blend into the background, and then five years later, both be very in very good shape, unimpeded to lift as uninjured. We wouldn't have generated the insight to create a fitness website or a website with loads of content, and richness of experience to be able to create content with. You also don't know whether or not doing all that stuff

created results even better. That's the real, because we or not doing all that stuff, create results even better. That's the real, because we talk about this all the time, like if I can split test it. Oh, if you can split test yourself, that would be the number one super power hands down. Yeah, but you'd have to be able to rerun it, though, wouldn't you? Like, if you were just trying to get the currently split testing, then you can't get to go back, so it doesn't matter.

It was AB versus like hundreds of parallels, but tests. And then you could just. Oh, yeah. Cool. And so training we've said, the ethos for whoever is listening is find a program which has progressive overload built in. Is that the key thing with 531? So I think the bigger thing, which is what I was saying with

these as quote is, whatever you do, you're going to have to do for a long time for it to work. So pick something that you enjoy is not that of a difficult thing to do. I'm not stupid. Yeah. So like don't try and become a yoga master while still trying to become a power lifter. Or like if you hate the thought of going to the gym, don't pick going to the gym. Take up running, take up rugby, take up fucking. And if going to the gym for two hours is a massive problem for your schedule, don't do that either. Like, whatever I think, whatever I pick to do now in it in this week is an example. I'm going to have to do that every week for the rest of this year.

Can I do that? Can I? Is that possible? And if not, do something else? Okay, so that's where we've gone with fitness. What else did we touch on? I think yours was fucking amazing, man. Come on get both. So I suppose the principal behind learned to cook, learned to trade, it's learned to face because this is all stuff that only now do we know the impact

of having those skills and having learned them all started them 10 years ago. So advice to people now for them to take it less of a global heuristic? It would be look look ahead and say what is going to be the skill or the the feature or whatever that is going to be most valuable in five years time and how can you get an edge on that now. So that's a very, that's a very much an impossible. I'll explain. I'll explain the Cortes podcast I did with him at the start of the year. He said, if he was to give someone skills, it would be coding

website copy the ability to sell and Like speaking so ability to be on podcasts to speak live to have to be communicating Yeah, so the last three I think would be useful But what we don't know is is the future of coding actually going to become less valuable as because coding as a skill becomes less code intensive and easier as time goes on because the tools are with you code with become more and more complex and have larger building blocks to be able to put things together. Making a website you need to know HTML, you know, 10 years ago.

Wow. Yeah. So actually it's useless to know HTML now if you have to make a website because even if you had a hand code at an HTML you're no better. Not going to be as good as Shopify or 10 years ago you teach in the guy who created Wix. Yeah. So you have to either be one second or another level. The hardest thing about all this is that right now we're in the position that we're speaking to because in 10 years ourselves ourselves will be saying the same thing and you just told

you, you just gave yourself the advice you needed. Well, a lot of it still on social and focus on it's, but it's pulling the pain. It's not just about telling me advice, isn't it? It's fucking doing it. Yeah. Like, you know, you know, like, I have known fine well, what would probably have been optimal with your training or with your diet or whatever. And another thing we have to consider, it's all well and good going,

I'll just stick to 531 for 10 years. But it's like, yeah, all right, mate, I'm not a robot. I'm not, I need to have variety of life. I'm not using fun. Yeah, and we're not utilitarian fucking machines here. Like, I want to have variety. But, but do you want variety more than you want results? It's, yeah, do you want entertainment by the process or the progress? Yeah, it's definitely a seminar somewhere.

It's just something that I came up with in an email, where we do the webbeak. Splitting up with girlfriends, fucking hell man. I mean, this wasn't one for you, but Jesus Christ. It was one for me. Oh, fuck it was? Yeah, that wasn't one for me. Wasn't one for you.

Yeah, was that because you were single? Did you like it? I'd just broken up with a girlfriend at the time But I did definitely spend too long in relationships that I should have been out of sooner Why did I say I just needed somebody to sit down and explain box A box B to me? If someone had done that I think it would have been like the clouds part and I'm like, right, right, I can't open, I get it, you can't open that loop without closing it, but it's a complex thing. So just don't stay in a situation that's bad and expect it to get better. Some cost. Yeah. So I did that with my job, I did that with

relationships, I did that with some friendships, I did that with injuries and training programs. Like so many things you think, like this is a problem. I'm experiencing discomfort from this, but it's all right. It'll get better, it'll fix itself. I mean, it's kind of obvious. It's a bit glib to say this, but all of our 30 second calls are,

here's three things to stop, here's three things to start. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, what else is the, well, you can only start or stop things. Things, yeah, that's it. Or keep going. Um, I suppose it's with what you just said before, the box A thing is like when you're in a winning scenario, absolutely double down on that. So rather than the podcast platform, yeah. Yeah. And what you were saying about 2010, did we say

pulled in loads of different directions those me I think was it right so like Rather than thinking I was what you're saying. I think on a previous episode of like you're doing a The beans the cost of switching we can do like if you find something that you're doing in anything in life like a skill that you're really good at Or a sport that you're really good at or like you're all in. Whatever, just absolutely hammer down on that. So I mean, this is again, it's if I was to predict the advice, in fact, let's do that after this, let's predict the advice that our ten year self from now will give ourselves in. It's so great that this will hopefully still be in the internet. It will. And that's, and that's of course, it's post-apocalyptic death world.

And we're all Mad Max, the Great Levelians. The Russians, the Russians, yeah it is. You'll be fine now. Oh yeah. You can just go back to Egypt. So yeah, I think if you were the AK-47s and so on, go back to Egypt. Take your pyramids with you. It's howl head. It's not even a racist term. It's

like a childish insult, isn't it? Yeah, I'm a towel. Okay, so we've got some stuff about relationships that we've doubled down on things that we've stuck in things that we're losing trade essentially and we just let them run. I was talking to Chris Sparks yesterday, productivity expert, poker guy and he lives on risk, right? Top 20 poker players on the planet. He lives risk for a living. That's his job to work out how much risky he's in manages it. And he does. And what he said was, is end of your review, everything is up for sale. And as I got you mean by that. And And he said nothing gets grandfathered in from year to year nothing that is cool. Yeah, so everything has to in its right Yeah, and he says he has two choices with everything that's in his life. You right?

Yeah I recorded the call. I'll just send you the call Chris. Yeah, sorry Chris if you listening may I didn't ask you permission I'm sure you'll be fine with it So what he says is as he ends the year and this is such a clever he ristic man. Oh my god as he ends each year He has looks at all of the different things that he's doing with his life relationships friendships business Hobbies passions and such and he has two choices

One of them is double the amount of time that he's invested on it and the other one is get rid. So practically you have to cut. You have to cut 50% of everything you do. Well, actually, no, sorry, you don't have to cut 50% of everything that you're doing because you could get rid of a load of little things. Right? Okay. You could actually cut 90% of the stuff that you're doing and it's still only be 50%. But we could cut 10% of the stuff that you're doing and it'd be 90% of the things. Yeah, but the idea of always be questioning everything that you're doing, always be narrowing, always be niche and harder into what you are good at. Till all you do've got one question.

One thing. It's terrifying. Yeah, because the first part, you're like, oh, that's how, and then you almost like, right, double or quick, you're like, and that's the way, and then you think about it from a poker players perspective, right? Like every single year, at the end of every year,

this is gonna go out probably just shortly into the new year. Like, so every habit, every relationship, everything that you do, you have to either choose where you're going to double down on it or whether you're going to get rid of it. And I think it's scary, but it's the way it is precisely the way that everyone that we know is the best in the world at what they do. We don't know anyone, like polymaths of fucking new age media do not exist. Like does Gary Veeza as close as you're gonna get? But he's still one thing. He's still just produce content,

mostly video and audio. I see him as Instagram, to be honest. Repurpose around different platforms. Like there's no one, you know, James Clear, just double down and habits, just become the best on the planet. He's actually big on like he credits his business growth to just wrote two articles a week. Like one of his habits was writing so he's like I'm just going to write two excellent articles

every single week. Well we did for three, four years, isn't it? We're not an excellent we stopped though. Well they were excellent. They were, they were, yeah. Artica, we put a lot of time into that, really. Yeah. Wow. So yeah, I mean, that's, as something that you can try and take away, and I will be trying to as well, if you have something in your life,

you have a lot of things in your life, if you feel like you're spinning a lot of different plates, question why they're there, and think about how good, like, what is it therefore for? Is it there because it's grandfathered in? Because it's already got a seat at the table, or does it actually deserve to eat? And if it doesn't deserve to eat, then like it can make room for someone that does. We're all a bit stunned by that double down. It just makes you think it doesn't it? And the thing we just said about, like, what you just said about how, because people follow, like, this is very business-y, I suppose, but people

follow, like, good writers, good podcasters, people that are really influential on Instagram, people that are great and linked in Twitter, and they're like, right, well, I need to do all of those things. But none of those people are worrying about anything other than that thing. That thing, yeah. And that's why they're there. So the problem with spreading yourself too thin is if you have a hundred units of talent and you spread it across ten things, even if you are absolutely maxing out within each of those areas, you can only become as good as the ten out of one hundredth person that's in that category.

Well, you'll just be beaten by a person who's doing one less platform than you, or one less thing than you. And you'll be annihilated by the person who's doing one of those platforms. You just get out competed by someone who's prepared to go all in on something. But by that same token, because we don't have the benefit of fucking divinity moving forward, we also want to hedge. We're also not purely utilitarian beings, so it means that we want to have different things going on so that we have variety that keeps us feeling alive, that keeps us having this diet of different things that make us feel interested and stuff like that.

And different things serve different purposes as well, don't they? Like, it's not like there's no such thing in anything that is a catch all. This is the one solution, this is the best thing. Like, there's no best training methodology, there's no best diet approach, there's no best recovery method. But it's about like picking the most effective for you is true. Like you, and to pick the optimum blend for the person that you want to be like, because going 10,, 10 xing down on the one thing means that you become, by definition,

a one-dimensional person. And if that's the goal that you're looking for in the person you want to be in 10 years' time, then that's it, but yeah, otherwise it's like, but I mean, the principle still applies, because you then, you still cut out or double the things that you do care about but you just pick that mixture yourself, and say, right, that's the formula.

I still think as well that a lot of what most people will have, the problem is there's a problem of abundance, not of scarcity. Yeah. The problem is that they're trying to do too many things, not that they're trying to do too few too well. Too many choices, isn't it? It's not like... I don't know what to do. I don't know that it's, sorry. They have like a lack of,

a too few too well problem. Yeah, no, no one. Okay, so, I mean, that's, we're all kind of a little bit shook after the fucking, based on that, what is one thing that you know that you should be doing but aren't now? That's probably the wrong question to ask, I think. Why? Because I am doing all of them. It's what things should I get rid of. Is it not something that you're thinking like I really should be like if you were

to give yourself advice, you're like I really should be doing this more or I really I should be put in more focus on this. Doing it more is different to like doing it at all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's adding that, putting another fucking to see. So where should your focus be based on what I asked our coach, like, should I, do you think I should learn to code? Because that's something I'm not doing at all now. And he said, no, probably not, because it's not a good, like it's such a big learning curve and it's not a good use of your existing skill set. Just pace them onto code and do the things that you do best. One of the things that's interesting, I guess, as you get older, is that the groove that

you have graced is increasingly difficult to get out of. It's like, okay, I have this amount of time and the opportunity cost of spinning back around, starting to go and go like, okay, I'll start coding now. It's like, well, hang on, you have all of these skills, all this experience, all this run-down, all of this platform, whatever it might be that you have, and you're going to choose to no longer leverage any of that. So there has to be this acceptance of like, look, where am I now? What is the position that I am in right now and what are the skills that I have moving for? Because I think all of the things that we've chosen that we've said there,

like, already leverage on stuff that we do. So for me, it was like, look, stop thinking about what other people think. That would have made me a better club promoter. I already was a club promoter. Focus on yourself and indulging in the things that you genuinely care about. That was something that was massively lacking in, so that was getting rid of something I didn't need. So what is an extra skill you can bolt on that won't just nullify all the previous experience that you've got? So in learning to code, I think if you have the skill of selling and then you add learning to code on top of that, then you've got a combination that most salesmen or coders don't have the opposite of and I think the people that do best at the moment, like, big tech companies because

they can sell and code, they can build something and market it, much into the market and sell it. Whereas a lot of good coders don't think about front end or user experience or sales, and they're just focused on the product and end up having this gap, or they create something that the market doesn't need. So actually, marrying those two skills would work really well, but it's trying to find the,

what's easier teaching a salesman to code or a code to sale. I think that's two so they're two country things aren't they? So why wouldn't you just get a marketing specialist? Yeah, so that. Or you could say the same thing about why not to get a code. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Like you don't need to be just things. You don't need to learn to sell and paste someone't need to learn to sell and pay someone a code. Or learn to code and pay someone a sell. But the person who can sell will be able to deal with the world once coding is just automated. So I spoke to Benjamin Denny, the UK's most hated sales training yesterday. Right. He was like, when the cockroach is ruled the earth and the atomic bombs have all gone off, people still need me. Yeah.

You still need to sell. You still need to sell the atomic bombs have all gone off, is like, people still need me. Yeah, you still need to sell. You still need to sell the atomic bombs. Yeah. It's finding, so like the, in all the platform questions, like the thing that remains in all of it is email. So the thing that I mean Netflix, John Lewis, like Amazon, all these companies send email.

Email's Lindy, isn't it? Lindy. Yeah, it is. I don't know what that is. What? Okay, so Lindy, the Lindy effect is a mental model which describes the degradation of non-perishable goods and services.

Well, I think it's just like items essentially. So for instance, 1984 is a Lindy book. It's been around for 35 years. Always, therefore you can presume it's gonna to be around for at least 35 more. Right. So the atomic habit has been around for one year, despite the fact that Oh, that's right. Okay. Like, uh, emails are Lindy. Like emails being around for ages.

So it's likely to be around. So there's a graphic that's like going around the internet at the moment of like things that happen per minute on the internet. You see that? No. Things like that happen. Yeah, like per minute. So like the number of snapchat sent, the number of Instagrams. Okay, okay. And like everyone expects,

like it'll be like YouTube minutes, watch sort of, but it's like email, like dicks on all of it. Like the number of emails sent per minute on the internet is astronomical. But there are people who are like, I mean, email doesn't work, I need me on social media.

But then like people would not send emails. If people were not reading them, like it would be the most ass-in-ite waste of time. Like everybody at work is email. Is email. So like, so I see whenever we're talking about that side of thing, like where do we put their attention? It's like, well, there's only you got an email list and there's only your email. And if you decide that Twitter's the thing, you just send them. Tell all your emails. So like, there's a, I think often in every, like, area of your life, sorry, there's a, there's an email marketing

version. So it's like, right, I want to work on my, like, spirituality. Like, is it reading, is it like yoga or is it just 20 minutes of meditation every day? Like the email marketing? Like to me, I think probably the meditation, 20 minutes of meditation. If I'm not doing that, then I've got no business like reading a self-development book. Yeah. Do you see what I mean?

It's a, I think I've lost you, sir. No, no, it's a puzzle. It's just a hub and smoke model. So it's like the hub in the middle, the thing which is going to be there for the longest is email. And then everything else is just extraneous bullshit. Like, okay, you still add to the picture, but is I'm building a business. I'm working really, really harder on my Instagram. It's like, okay, how long's Instagram I'm going to be around for? How many people have you got in your Instagram? I've got 200,000. How many people get in your email list? I've got 2000. Right, okay. Well, what happens

on Instagram? I'm fucked because the email isn't. Yeah. Okay, so it's just in terms of allocating your attention. So it's like with fitness and nutrition, like are you aware of your calorie intake? Right, well, okay, but if not, like don't worry about supplementation. Like don't worry about it.

Calories are always gonna matter. Are you progressively overloading in something? And then don't worry about cross-hiding. Are you doing all the marketing? Yes, no If you go back to it, are you doing email marketing? It's the waiters see it is like if you and I are starting like a tick tick channel Yeah, and I have an email list of a hundred thousand people and you have zero who is going to win at the game of growing a Tick tick what is it channel tick tick. What is it? Is it a channel?

Tick-tock. Tick-ticks, email, DMICT, Serbs at that. I knew that I'd said something wrong. Teamwork and social issues. It's tick-tock the thing that you sing into and then it's like, it's a new version of Vine. It's the new version of music.

It's a new version of music, yeah. It's a new version of music, yeah. Tick-ticks, what we use as a task management with Pomodoro Integrated. Yeah. So we've got, we've got about 10 minutes left. We've spoken about the fact that sticking to the program is a good idea. We've spoken about the fact that doing less, better, or doing less, more, essentially,

is a pretty good heuristic to use. Young relationships should be let go of more freely than you think at the time. They just probably won't matter as much as you think they do. Seems pretty obvious looking back doesn't it? How many people do you know that get together during Freshers Week at uni and then stay together. They do exist, but like... This is a... Throw it out, I don't know. Do you think it's a... Philippine. A lot of people that I know have been in relationships a long time

since we're like 17, 16, tend to have some kind of turbulence in their relationship because they haven't had the freedom. I suspect. There are obviously examples of that not being the case. Well darn it, people that together entire lives. Business partners and his misses got together in like I think second year of Unies, like halfway through the second year of Unies, and they're like the fucking British version of the American Dream White Picket fence, two dogs, two kids. I mean, amazing. But the problem

is, they are the problem. They are precisely the problem because they give hope to the 19 year old. You think that's the model that this is what's going to happen. So you, Darren, are the issues, okay? And it's like trying to, it's like saying like, oh, well, Aaron Shearer, I just played loads of football. So that's what I'm going to do because that will work for me. Yeah. Okay. So I'm not quite that big. It's a vivorship bias. Yeah.

What else have you got on your phone, Johnny? What else was in that list that we've met? Because you basically did the list for us three. The catch all thing that I added at the end that just covers everything is asked to help. Does that get a coach? Yeah. Well, so it's do you fight for your own? Start meditating. So, like, so don't, when you do things good, events, they're almost always a good idea. So like there's so many things that I'm like, I shouldn't do this, I shouldn't go to that,

I won't go to that part, you won't meet that person for a coffee, it'll be shite, you go and it's mint. Awesome. So yes, tomorrow adventures. Yeah. The trouble with that is you can, I imagine, get in there, some deeper water quite quickly with your... Yeah, have you ever been even close to that?

No, but that's coming from someone who probably ear on the side of like that seems like a bad introversion. Yeah. Where's if you're like, I'll go to everything and you start going to more. I know more people that are on and this might just be like my sphere of awareness bias, but I know more people that are towards our side, which is say need to say yes to less in terms of business and projects and need to say yes to more in terms of experience and adventure. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Start taking business more seriously sooner. I couldn't have done that. That would have been fucking terrible for me. I'd already like completely linchpin my sense of identity to the success of the business. If we had a bad night at work, I was a bad person. If we had a good night at work, I was worthy. So doubling down on that would have been, for me, a better piece of advice would have

been to have said, you are not your accomplishments. It sounds like you'd almost merged your social life with your sense of this is business progress as well. Whenever you went to a party, whatever you were like super messy. Yeah, so. Hard to not be the case when like probably everyone's that everyone else of social life is your work life.

At uni. So like you are the party guy. It's the inversion of what it's still now if I speak to someone Hey man, like what you up to this weekend like you fancy meeting up or whatever It's like oh yeah, like that's going to night out. It's like oh no like that's what I do for work I know it's what you do for fun. But what you do for fun. I do for work I got a lot of difficulty and it's just for anything that's not that but for them It's the novelty it's the same as fucking CNN a day. It's like if you've spent your entire, but for them it's the novelty. It's the same as fucking C&A day. It's like, if you've spent your entire day

we did a podcast with a porn star if you haven't heard it. If you've spent your entire day getting deep-ed of a huge Amsterdam man, and his friend, and his friend, like, and you come home and your partner's like, oh hi darling, how are you? Got my friend around here, he just fancies a bit of a go on you,

while you're like, you're being like, I'm so sorry, man. I'm sorry, man, but she while you're like, you're being like, I'm so mad. She's an exception. She's like, oh, I'm so fucking horny. Yeah, that might be here right here. The best evening ever. Yeah, true. So she really does, she's a goer.

The best thing about that podcast on YouTube is that the frame that she's in, you're also in. So it's time when she's talking about the most vivid stuff, and you're just like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

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I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm that, I might have wrecked it. Because I probably, there's part of the fact that we were just doing, because we just absolutely loved doing it. That was the mergent. That's what got the organic enquiries was the fact that it was just putting out content. Yeah, because we were just interested in it.

It's what we tell our business clients, now, isn't it? It's like, make content first. Don't just go be the weird uncle at the barbecue that tries to sastrate away, give first. Start a reaction. And just like the Google game takes a long time. We were ranking number one. First page on Google and getting a grandadkin queries for coaching clients from just like a standard

word press template that we were just bashing out. But you said you said for articles like literally seven or eight years ago that are still like the drivers of our truckers. That's why I think search based stuff. And it'll be the same for YouTube. Lindy, like you will have, I imagine there'll be episodes of Modern Muslim that are still ticking over daily and getting done. Well, we don't have stuff that surges, virally, there is like 10 episodes on YouTube that just do 5K a day. Yeah, between them all. Yeah, it just sits at that. And that's now the new baseline. So that's the thing, like compare that to Instagram. Imagine if you try to get 5,000 user down Instagram, the work required for that every day was YouTube's just like,

just the lazy river of the internet, isn't it? It's brilliant. Learn marketing and sales, covered that, learn trade, learn the code and ask for help. To ask for help things are big on man. Especially when you're that age, when you're young, I think you resist. I certainly resisted. I didn't hire my first fitness coach, which is mental until like 23, he was in.

Yeah. So I tried for ages on my own. I would get in my own. I wouldn't have at 18. I would have been like, what are these guys doing? Yeah. We had hours and hours of conversations trying to figure out, like, is it all right to have two high-carb days or one?

Oh, that's stressing me out, so. Yeah. Yeah, I do. So much. So, one of the highest performing things we ever did was got John Key for on the podcast right before car back loading was released. That had, there was no thought in that other than, we just need to understand whether it's all right to have fat in your back load Or whether it has to be just carved. Yeah, that was why you asked him for podcasts

We asked him for the podcast then I went on his podcast and that was all just out of like desperation of like John How is insulin work? Please? In that program like I remember you don't have carbs during the day You have just fat and protein and then then 5pm, KFC bargain bucket, which is mostly fat dominant anyway. And certainly from a calorie perspective. And then a drink that was 100 grams of dextrose, 150 milligrams of caffeine,

a 5pm, Lucy, because of like blood for something. Yeah, caffeine was shuttling it. Yeah, exactly. Lucine hydrolyzed away, like the most, all the most disgusting powders just put into one thing and you just plug it down, try and like hold you nose, make sure you don't vomit for the next couple of minutes. And you're like, what I really miss about that though was that it was exciting as fuck,

wasn't it? I remember, you frontiers. Yeah. I remember like, it was 6am and we were Skyping with, with John Keifer for our podcast and like, being just beside myself with excitement about it. And like, doing the program, like, yeah, yeah, after having like, 500 grams of sugar and just training. I remember having my car by building protocol. You did it, Jason. So remember you text me saying, can I have, it was a picture of birthday cake saying, can I have birthday cake for car back loading?

I was like, why did you have birthday cake? Why, why you want birthday cake? And your apply was just said, it says on it party. And I like to party. If anyone needed an explanation of the sort of asshole that I was 10 years ago, that was a party Chris. I remember you used to eat tens of chicken.

Why, a chunky chicken? Yeah, still in there. That's, mate, do you still eat it? That's real backup stuff. Desperate, yeah. Fuck, I've got no food, like chunky chicken. With rice. With rice.

Yeah. Good meal. And you, I remember your reasoning for car backloading was, it was a reason that you had to go to the gym. Because if you didn't train, you couldn't have no carbs. Yeah. So it was like bigger and cheese and egg. Can I go away there?

I'll get just calories. We're coming to the end. What are some of the things that you've realized during this conversation, John? That wherever you are giving people the most advice, it's probably where you need the advice the most. That's something I hear a lot at the moment. How so? Like, I think the stuff that you, all this stuff that we've just said is all advice that we all need right now. And like if you think about all this stuff, you tell your friends, all the advice you're giving to people.

Look at that area of your life yourself, because it's probably the area that you talk loads about, but you don't actually do much in. Well, fantastic. Talking a good game. Yeah. And of giving people advice that we wholeheartedly require ourselves. Exactly. What about you, Seth?

Anything, any little gems come out of this one? Just short oil. Yeah, short oil. That's a good vibe, I think. Short oil. Well, like all of the things there, like we've gone general and specific and actually all that advice does apply for the next 10 years too. Yeah.

If anything's such a useful exercise. That would have been, we've all been tricked, haven't we? In a given ourselves. What is the advice we need now? Yeah, no. For our 40 year old self. What would you give, what advice do you give yourself now? Should have been the title of the pot.

Oh, there it is. There it is. But we'd have said the wrong shit, though. We would have done, yeah. As we've said the right stuff now. Yeah. Goodness for that. Parting thoughts, I think, definitely, you know,

Chris sparks his conversation, I do them yesterday, that motherfucker. Like, saying nothing gets grandfathered into your life just because it's already there. Relationships, business, projects, passions, everything. And at the end of each year, everything's up for sale. Nothing gets to see at the table, each year, everything's up to sale. Nothing gets to see at the table, it has to earn its place to eat, and you either get to double down on it or it gets kicked out. Like, if you even manage to do 10% of that heuristic each year, like, fucking hell.

There was a, when I was in the throes of fitness obsession, there was a photo that Martin Burke hadn't uploaded on the Facebook with a glass of wine, like it's shredded, glass of wine, and the photo just said, don't take this fitness stuff too seriously, like the good times roll, and that he then got out of a bit of a breakdown, and it wasn't the internet very much. But I think sometimes though, like probably a bit of a breakdown. It wasn't the intent very much. But I think sometimes though, like probably a bit of advice I would have also should have had 10 years ago is like,

it's all right to not have all the answers, be exactly where you think you need to be, be making progress all the time. Like you can't just have a good fun. Don't take it too seriously. Yeah, let the good time draw. That is a great parting thought. Yeah.

Thanks to Martin. As an always remember, the Martin Birkamp is and has always been right about everything. Seriously. In fitness. Okay. Every time we question something or think that we're always a bit off on there and then like... We get a little idea of our own. Martin might be later.

We realise, Martin's right in time, I tell him. Yeah. I mean, it's going to hurt. It is going to hurt if we look back at this in 10 years time and all of the things that we've said are just like, but that's the motivation and not let that happen. That isn't safe. That is the motivation, isn't it? It's trying to foresee what should I be.

And the question that we're asking is what should I spend my time doing? You have a limited time on this planet, right? Like very few minutes, how do I make the most of them? And the first thing, I know that if Chris Sparks was here, he would say the first thing that you need to do is work out what you want. So if you don't know what you want, you are actually flying in the dark.

You're actually, you're just going, well, why should I do this? Because it gets me closer to end goal. And if you don't know what end goal is, what the fuck you do? So, yeah. Anyway, there may be some things that you want to discuss. You know where I'm at, at Chris well, X and all social media, or leave questions in the comments below. Love to have a discussion about it. These guys at Prop In Fitness and what's the business one? Propin Fitness.com forward slash modern wisdom. Free seven step.

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