Modern Wisdom - #169 - Ollie Ollerton - Becoming Battle Ready

Episode Date: May 11, 2020

Ollie Ollerton is an ex-Special Forces Operative, Instructor from SAS Who Dares Wins and an author. Life doesn't come with an instruction manual. We have to discover the effective ways to operate on our own, but sometimes we are given a little bit of guidance... Expect to learn Ollie's backstory including a life changing event when he was 10, how you can plan & sustain change in your life, how to decide on your goals & break them into daily actions, the importance of removing your ego, the value of serving others, and so much more... Sponsor: Finally shop for some clothes which perfectly fit your physique. Head to - https://link.tailoredathlete.co.uk/modernwisdom (FREE shipping automatically applied at checkout!) Extra Stuff: Buy Battle Ready - https://amzn.to/35RmevO Follow Ollie on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ollie.ollerton/ Check out Ollie's website - https://ollieollerton.co.uk Take a break from alcohol and upgrade your life - https://6monthssober.com/podcast Check out everything I recommend from books to products - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello my friends, welcome back. Today is the big one, Oli Olleton, instructor from S.A.S. Who Des Wins, best selling author of Breakpoint and new author of the Fresh Off the Shelds book, Battle Ready. Today we are talking about his backstory, the ideas, the principles, the techniques that he has put into this book that can help you to make behavior change that genuinely will move the needle in your life. I get to read a lot of books, I get a lot of stuff sent out to me, and this definitely ranks up there with one of the best that I have read for quite a while. It's a fantastic introduction to how behavior change works.

From mindfulness to goal setting, from getting rid of your ego to understanding how your long-term vision relates to your daily actions, Oli really has done a number on the self-development and behavior change world here. Now, you very well might look at it and think, ah, it's just that book from some guy off TV, but Oli really has done his homework and is dropping some serious knowledge bombs in this, including some work from past modern wisdom guests like James Clear and Robert Green along with a whole host of others. Me and Oli got a bit of a bromance thing going on and he sent me a couple of signed copies of the book including

one from my dad which is super kind of him and I think I'm going to go down and see him at breakpoint HQ so maybe expect a sequel or perhaps even a vlog once the world reopens. Before we get into the episode I wanted to say a big hello to everyone that is new to the channel, it is so good to have hello to everyone that is new to the channel. It is so good to have you here. There's some people that have been listening since episode one and I know a lot of you have just joined. I cannot wait to take you on the journey that is happening over the next couple of weeks.

I have some of the best guests that I have ever got onto this show, some of the most interesting, unique and curious individuals that you will find. So make sure that you hit the subscribe button, you will get three episodes every week, Monday, Thursday and Saturday, with the most fascinating humans on the planet, delivered directly to your listening device of choice. So while this music is playing go and hit that subscribe button, it would make me very happy indeed. But for now, it's time for the wise and wonderful Oli Olletton. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. I'm joined by instructor from SAS Who Des wins an author of breakpoint and battle ready, Oli Olatin. Oli, welcome to the show.

Hello mate, thanks for having me. Absolutely. Pleasure to have you on. So first things first, the question that everyone has come to find out who wins a hundred meter race between you, Foxy and Ant. You know what, everyone would expect me to say, well, I will win, but I wouldn't win that race because I am more the endurance athlete as opposed to the short, you know, short, the lights of Ant, you know, he's got a, you know, punchy strength and so is Foxy. So,

but then me and Billy are more the sort of endurance athlete. So I'm going to win that. Got you. Okay. Well, go for it. You can go for longer, but Anne can maybe go a little bit harder at a shorter pace. I get it, that's certainly fine. So you're on with my warmer packed criss-a-zons on Virgin Radio this morning, which is good. So, man, I am super, super impressed with battle ready. I've got it last week, and I've consumed it in the space of six days, and it is phenomenal, bro.

You should be really, really proud of it. Thanks, mate. And the bottom line is, you know, it's feedback like that that makes me proud of it, because up until someone else gives you, I mean, I got my first testimonial yesterday, and up until that moment, you don't know, you know, it's because it's life experience, you know, is it like, you've got no measure or you've got no, until someone actually tells you what it's life experience, you know, is it like you've got no measure or you've got no until someone actually tells you what it's done for them, you know, it's natural. We all have that self-poster syndrome comes in. Yeah, yeah, no exactly, but yeah, just to feedback from people, it is amazing and actually getting that testimonial, you saying that to me right now is just phenomenal. So I do believe it is an amazing book because it's not a theory, it's life experience,

it's what I went through, it's the process. I'm living proof of the process that I've put in that book. You know, I'm not sure that with everyone. Couldn't agree with it. So why did you write it? I wrote it for that very reason. I mean, I went to share that with everyone. Couldn't agree with it. So why did you write it? I wrote it for that very reason. I mean, I went to Thailand. You know, after the one of the most phenomenal things

I did back in 2011, they're about, was I went, you know, I've spent my life bouncing all over the world as a kid. During the special forces, thinking this, that would be the be-all and end-all. That would tick every box. I would be complete. that would be the bill and end all, that would tick every box, I would be complete, I would be fulfilled and it wasn't, it wasn't. And then I stumbled across something that was happening in Southeast Asia and it was working with a group that

were, we're busting kids out of child prostitution and sex labor, selling kids into sex labor and prostitution. So we were busting the kids out of that and putting them back on track and giving them a proper, they were having a proper life where they were educated by sponsors and everything else. So what that did, no idea, it would do that for me. That made me realize, I felt fulfilled, absolutely humbled, fulfilled

and amazed by that experience. And that's when I understood the power of helping other people. Even when there's no real benefit to me, I mean, I was on, I wasn't on a wage doing that. I self-funded the whole operation. And just that money can't ever pay for what that gave me. Helping other people, and when you look at human evolution, the species evolving, I think we're naturally meant to feel good when you help someone else because we're giving them a leg up. You know what I mean? It's enough.

We're meant to feel good about that. So that for me was the start of something that it was an epiphany. It changed my life. It made me understand the power of helping others. And now to be quite honest, I mean, my whole business, everything break point and everything we do is all based around helping other people. I actually feel selfish that I can help someone else. You know, when someone says, thank you to me. I'm like, that I'm the one that should be thanking you. Because it's such an amazing, and it gives back tenfold.

At a big 30,000 foot view, how do you describe your career up to Thailand for someone who doesn't know who you are? Yeah, okay, well, 18 years old, join the Real Marines and had sort of a, I was disillusioned. I got into the military and it wasn't exactly what I thought. Again, that was, that sort of typifies my whole military career. But then I was always chasing something, you know, better, it must be better than

that's why that's why I sort of pushed myself towards special forces, doubted my ability to ever achieve it, but I did it, and it was always, I was always chasing that dream. So basically, during the special forces at 24 years old, I was part of the SPS, so that's the special boat service, so it's like the SAS, but we do everything, there's a lot of water involved and stuff

So and then again not fulfilled I then left in 2000 I've always had this desire to create my own business That's always been my motivation. So I kind of did a few things but the trouble is you know you so When you leave the military there's such a massive void and you really underestimate what you took for granted you know the camaraderie and everything. So you can you come out to a massive void and then before you know it the world that I said I'd never go back into or go into swallowed me up and that was as a contractor

or go into, swallowed me up, and that was as a contractor. I found myself out in Iraq, 2003 to 2007, and probably that was probably a lot, you know, quite a horrendous time to be quite honest. It was in a war zone for that long. It's not a good for your mental state. So I kind of got, you know, I was heavily, I had a lovely relationship with alcohol, ended up taking steroids at one point. The old alpha male world and also I'd then got hooked on Valium, you know, it was a mess. It was an absolute mess. But I was functioning, you know, it worked. You know, I made it work. I came away from that, you know, my mental state wasn't great. And then I ended up, you know, again, I said, I'm not, you know, I need to redefine myself, find something new, get a normal job, and then realized pretty shortly, I couldn't do

it normal. So, and then that's when I came across the grey man, which was the operation to rescue kids from Thailand. I ended up going over there doing that, I had to call my money into that, I owned in the rack, and then that ended abruptly because of a political situation, which was horrendous. But one thing I took from that, like I said previously, was the fact helping others was something that really meant something to me, a thoughtful field. And then I came back again.

I was actually living in Australia at that point, back in 2012. And I thought, right, I'd been chased out of Thailand. It was a rest on site. We had to escape over the Burmese border. Shit about. Yeah, it was pretty hairy. And then we got back to Australia.

I was like, right, you need to grow up. You need to grow up, you need to get yourself a real job. So, I tried it again and I got a really good job of working in an oil and gas, but I was like a caged animal, you know, and it was like, what were you missing? I was like a caged animal, you know, and it was like, what were you missing? I was just missing that adventure, the adrenaline, you know, I was still at that, I was still,

you know, when I looked back now, I was quite a mess at that stage. And, you know, from, and I know we're going to talk about this, but, you know, I did, from an incident that happened in Machaud, which sent me on a path of absolute destruction, chasing mayhem and death on my life. I don't know how I've made it through, but I was still living that. I was still chasing this extremeness, this, this, you know, everything that had to be an extreme. I was chasing danger, no consequence, no consequence, no, yeah, it was just a mess. So I was still in that world. Seeing even the things that you did

that were productive and growth oriented, I think was it canoeing or rowing that you got into real hard, you got in a CrossFit super hard, you've just chosen reckless suffering, even in areas that are like growth, you know, you're like, I'll just bin myself in a CrossFit workout, bin myself on this rowing thing,

I'll go all over Australia up against some freaks savages from the fucking outback, you know, rowing it, rowing against them. So you can definitely see when reading the book, there is a unifying thread, right, between everything. It's always that that search of adventure, of adrenaline, of suffering as well, in a way that seems to be quite cathartic to you, that's like a release, right? So you've touched on it there.

Can you tell us this story from the circus when you were seven years old, 10 years old? No, it was actually, yeah, 10 years old. 10 years old, it was a bizarre experience, but yeah, and a life changing one. But this is in burn on trend, those that don't know burn on trend, it's like right in the middle of the UK, but yeah, and the life changing one. But this is in burn on trend, those that don't know burn on trend, it's like right in the middle of the UK, you know, it's like there's no, you know, it's, it's, it's a land with land based, you know, there's no sea for miles around.

So it was a boiling hot day, 10 years old, someone came knocking on the door. It was my brother's, it was my brother's best mate and it came out asking if we wanted to go swimming. Mum was like, yeah, we couldn't wait to get it out of her. And then we set off. And as we got down to the swimming bath, we actually saw that the big top was setting up in town. And we were like, wow, the Chipperfield circuit is in town, amazing. So excited young boys, we're like, I walked

and tended to run and before we knew it down at the big tops. And saw the first guy down there, said, look, can we have a look around? And he said, yeah, yeah, see if we're just setting up, there's animals out, but the one change will be okay. And that's it, we went into the big top. And I can remember, I got separated from my brother

and his mate and and there I don't know what drew me towards it but on the other side there was an opening and I was sort of drawn to that opening and as I got to it the sun hit me in the eyes I couldn't see for a moment and then as my vision cleared there was, sat in front of me about 10, 15 meters away, was something that just amazed me and I was absolutely compelled to go towards and that was a baby chimp. And before I knew it, I walked over cautiously and there it was. For me, I bought it with Tarzan, Johnny Wiseman, Black and White films. And for me, that was a little piece of Hollywood sat right there. It was amazing. And next thing I'm stood over it, 10 years old.

And it looked up at me with these beautiful eyes. And it was a moment we connected. And it sounds weird, I know. But we connected. And it was just surreal. Baby Chimp goes down, picks up some food off the floor, starts passing it to me. And I'm like, wow, this is a male. I felt like a miniature like David Attingborough. And, you know, so I started, oh, gee, I'm not eating that. It's disgusting.

So I was just going through the motions, throwing it over my shoulder. And it probably only went on for 20, 30 seconds, but it seemed like a lifetime. I was bought out with cats and dogs. This was a chimp, middle of the UK, a chimp. And all of a sudden, it was a beautiful blue skies, and the serenity at that moment was cut like a fighter jet racing through the sky as I heard this roar. And I never forget it.

I can still hear the roar to this day, heard this roar and in the shadows under a truck in the behind the chin, I could see something moving and those shadows, that movement then became clearly what was about a 50 kilet, I don't know what size it was but I didn't get chance to weigh it but it was bloody big and it was the mother, it was the mother, you know, is the baby's the chimp's mother, which then Mac 10 started coming at me, you know, the old side was chimp movement, yeah exactly, you know, just raging, absolutely raging and I'm like a deer in the headlights thinking, oh my god,

and at the point I thought, you know, this is the moment you should move. You know, this chimp just fired straight up into the air. I was washing this thing because it was just rising higher and higher in the air. The blue sky turned to black as this thing landed on me, and then started going to town on me. It pinned me down to the floor. I was pinned to the floor, and it was like a drummer in a rock band. You know, it's fist coming down onto me.

It was tearing chunks out of me. And it was just, it was mental, absolutely mental. I'm lay there. And I just, I can remember thinking, I'm going to die. I'm going to die unless I do something I'm going to die. And it was in that moment that I knew that I had to take a step into, I had to take a step into further discomfort for any chance of living that day. So I managed to sort of move my body just a few inches and I dislodged the chimp.

I managed to get my knee up to my chest. I kicked the chimp in the in the chest and it just gave me a couple of feet just to get away and then this chimp gets back to its feet and it's coming at me, you know, final attack. It's got blood dripping from its teeth. It was my blood and and then it came at me and then a chain caught it around the neck just before it got to me. And I was stood there, you know, ten-year-old, absolutely in a state of shock. My arm was like a bone that had been chewed by a dog all after it.

It was just a mess, you know. It's like it had been ripped apart. There was blood all over me. And it wasn't a good Good site the whole place erupted and And then they got me off to hospital as quickly as possible where they stitched me up and And that was that really that was that was the the that was the attack that happened at 10 years old, you know and Yeah, maybe sounds like some out of a movie.

Nate, well, when I look back, you know, it's sometimes it's hard for me to actually understand. It wasn't until recently, and I talk about this in the book that I opened up that chapter in my life again, but always looking back up until that moment, it was like a movie in my head, you know, he was, yeah. Have you got any scars from when it happened that you can still see that visible? Yeah, I mean, I've got my arm here, which you can't really see.

I mean, that's the big scar there. I mean, it's 10, it's healed up a lot, but that there has been this big chunk that's gone out of that there. So I've lost no function in my arm, but yes, I mean, the scars really were the ones you can't see. But I always look back on that and I understand now looking back that when something happens like that in your life,

you can't just, we naturally lock away the intimate emotional detail. We just do that, that's where we're wired. But you need to address that and to think you can have something like that happen to you and that not affect your life, especially 10 years old is absolutely, is naive. Well, man, scars are proof that you're stronger than what ever tried to kill you. That's true for both internal and external. I want to jump right ahead to where you are now and no one's growth is finished. You're not a fully self-actualised human and you never will be. You'll be growing for the rest of your life. But the difference that you've made from

for the rest of your life. But the difference that you've made from the dysfunctional way that you were moving through the special service, then when you went into doing your more contract work, then in the Thailand, then being lost and all this sort of stuff. As you say in the book, this is a journey of growth that you went through. You've then managed to restructure that into what is what reads essentially as an instruction manual and it's like a it's like an activity book for adults that want to do behavior change in personal growth, which I think is really cool. So you've got bunches of exercises in here, all of them are ways that can serve you, that can help you to move yourself forward and things like that. But there's a before we get into it, do you

know Jim Rendon's book, Upside? It's about post. I'll send you a link to it once we're done. And this struck me straight away, right? So it's about the new science of post-traumatic growth. And it reports that up to two thirds of trauma survivors experience post traumatic growth, not post traumatic stress, they are benefiting from the crisis in their lives by using them to become stronger. Render found that trauma can drive us to become better, to focus more on relationships, become more spiritual and become more grateful. And I've never seen more of a perfect example of that than the situations you've been through. Yeah, no, I think that's absolutely brilliant, but I think it takes a lot of time before.

I think a lot of people with trauma, they're still trying to be the person they were before the trauma. And they're fighting to be. And that's where the conflict comes from. You know, they're true. You're never going to be that person again. You're a different person. So it's about, you know, I talk about this in a book. It's about being able to surrender to yourself, to allow this stuff to flow. But the more, you know, it's that our minds are a wonderful thing, but it's just the Pandora's box of confusion unless you actually understand what's going on on it on up here. And certainly that was going on for me. I'm 49 years old now. It took me until I was 43. I was 43 when I sort of did that bootcamp.

It took all that time. You know what I mean? And I've not started living properly until I was 43. Absolutely not. Life doesn't call it an instruction manual, you know, like that there is no there's no instruction manual that comes with life. And all of these approaches, you know, all the people that I've spoken to, people that you've quoted in the book, people like James Cleary or Aubrey Marcus or John Boyd, all of these different guys, masters of behaviour change, they're just giving us tiny little glimpses into what we can be and how we can operate. This is why it is a never-ending quest, which is both beautiful and

unfortunate, I suppose. So let's get into it. There's four main sections in the book, right? And the first one is What are some of the Barry? Sorry, what is it's the call to change? So what is what is the call to change? Yeah, first of all before we answer that I wanted to just say that you know I think you came up with a great analogy of the book there But you know, I've been talking obviously a lot, you know, think you came up with a great analogy of the book there. But you know I've been talking obviously a lot you know I've been on radio been on you know quite a lot press around the book and stuff and do you remember the Haynes manual that you used to get for a car? No. Right okay so back in the day when you used to get a car you used to get a Haynes manual and a Haynes manual was basically for the layman to understand

the mechanics of that vehicle. It was for the it was it allowed the owner to do a fault diagnosis. It allowed them to be able to look at ways that they could fix the car by some extra parts even with little or no experience. It would tell you what you needed to do to get the car, buy some extra parts, even with little or no experience, it would tell you what you needed to do to get the car working properly and get it back on track and make it the best version of itself. Now, that's what they used to do with cars. Now, I look at this book, is exactly that. This is the Haines manual for the mind body and soul.

You know what I mean? And you're so totally right in what you say. You think is we're born into this world and everyone jumps into this skin and thinks that they're fucking experts. You know what I mean? We're giving no manual, no nothing and everyone straight away is a friggin' expert. And that's a dangerous place to be. When you think that you know everything, that's a dangerous place to be because like you said before, I will never stop learning, I will never fake perfection and I will always want to be making mistakes. I think some people might think that they're experts but far more people in my experience

just operate on their programming and presume that it's okay and you know, it's okay in that you're not going to get hit by fucking open traffic. But that's the limit, it's like you that you're not going to get hit by fucking open traffic. But that's the limit. It's like you're just existing. The best that you can hope for, if you don't learn to deprogram all the biases and all of the social constructs and all of the things that the ego is giving you and all of the trauma that you've got from back in your life, even if you don't think you've got any trauma and all that sort of stuff, the best that you can hope for without deprogramming that is to become an effective slave to the

way that your brain wants to operate. And that is no life. That is no life. And this is the beauty to me of personal development and of behavior change. And I hate the fact that America's fucking self-help community, one key world has bad mouthed, or has, I would you say, it's tarnished the image of what is making people better, you know, and say, you've brushed across all of the big concepts

in this book. So let's get into them. The call to change, what is it? The call to change, really, you know The call to change really, you know, throughout the book, I'm talking through people through my personal experience and what I actually did. But really, the call to change is when we as humans, you know, when things aren't going right in our life,

when we've got that internal conflict going on, you know, we're not happy, we want to be somewhere else, we're sick of the same same repeat, habit loops, we start comparing with other people. And that is a dangerous place to be because if you start comparing to someone that is so far above you, you know, their vibration is so much different than yours, it's too hard a bridge to gap. You make it unrealistic, and basically, that just turns into jealousy, that turns into, all the wrong things.

So really what you need to do straightaway is level with yourself. Understand exactly who you are, where you are, not compare yourself to other people. And that is the foundation for growth. If you're doing it because you want to be like someone else, you're jealous that they've got a nice house, a nice car, a nice decent, nice that, it's the wrong place to starve. So it's really about understanding exactly where you are and for me at that stage, the call to change look, my, I am sick of this shit.

I am sick of repeating the same cycles of life. I'm sick of wanting something and never achieving it because I'm always falling back into the same old habit loops. The negativity that stands in our way and then forces the habit loop. And it's really, it was just being honest with myself. It was being honest of where I am, and understanding that I needed to change. You know, it's looking, for me, it was looking at, you know, all the things, all the factors that are affecting me. And like I keep, I've been saying repeatedly about this book at the moment, there was the option to pull the book at this time because of isolation.

And we said, well, I said, the book was written in a period of isolation. You know, and that's why I think at the moment, you know, that's what I had to do. What I did, I put myself into a boot camp, a mental boot camp. I had been strangely gifted a house by my mama. I had a spare house in the UK when I came back to the UK. I had nothing else. And basically I was in, I had such an, I was, I was like a blank canvas and I was sat there thinking at that time. A lot of people would have said that's a shit situation to be in. But I looked at that as thinking, wow, how many people get to do this? I've got two months or whatever it was to be able to just sit there, have no distractions and focus on me. Serious, huh?

Yeah, when do you ever get that opportunity? Right now. Right now, that's what exactly is. Exactly. Right now, but you won't ever get this opportunity again, you know, sitting there thinking that the world's ending and all that kind of stuff. That's not serving you. What you can control is yourself. And the people that sat there all day long at the moment, looking at their phones, checking Instagram or ego, grandma call it, checking that all day long. That is not going to, you're not going to come out the back end of this as the best version of yourself, far from it. So basically that was it for me. It was about understanding where I need to change, what I need to focus on and really just leveling with myself and going through a process, this was it for me, this, and this is a theme throughout the book. Forget what's going on here when it comes to your emotions, comes to your feelings. When you come up with an idea, that's from the frontal cortex.

You need to think about that enough so it loads into your subconscious. But basically, that same frontal cortex that comes up with a negativity when you actually come to execute the ideas. Now if I use running, for example, I want to be, you know, I want to, I know that running every day is going to make me fit and, and next year, I want to be, you know, I want to, I know that running every day is going to make me fit and, and next year I want to run the London marathon, you're not going to feel like doing that. You're not going to, you know, once you start thinking about it, your mind is wired to actually steer away from any kind of stress, any kind of discomfort, and people that wake up the next day, you know, I nearly started, but I just didn't feel motivated. You're not going to feel motivated. You have to forget the emotion,

forget the feeling and you have to execute a plan that is based around a process. So that really for me that was understanding where I was, what I needed to do and put on a process that was void of feelings and emotions and stick to it and remain non-judgmental throughout. And that was really the start of it and that was really the call to change. I identify the issues, understanding what I needed to do and lay out a plan of how that's going to work. I get it, man. We do not rise to the level of our goals, we fault to the level of our systems. Yeah, exactly. The James Clearism. What happened? Can I just say something though? Hit me.

I absolutely like, on your Instagram today. Yes. The magic you're looking for is in the work you're avoiding. I love that. Shout out, I've just taken that top off. I've just taken that t-shirt off. Shout out, built up north for that t-shirt.

Yet another great one from them. They also have another one that says, this is not the fucking cuddle club. So to crossfit, crossfit club income, any, but yeah, the magic you are looking for is in the hard work you are avoiding. Yeah, that's brilliant. Yeah, stop that.

What happens if you don't choose a purpose for your life? One, we chose them for you. You know what people, people understand that people don't understand, you know, it's like goals and purpose are very similar. You know, your purpose is basically, well, understanding your purpose is not your goals, actually, your goals are on your way to find your purpose. But for me, you know, when you understand your purpose and people ask the question, how do you find your purpose? Now, when you've

got a bit of experience, a bit of age on your side, you can actually go back through your life, and it's quite easy to identify at what point you're happy, what made you, you know, what was a happy part of your life, what made you happy, what made you fulfilled, and that's really what you should be doing moving forward. You know, if there's something you don't like doing, then then try to avoid doing it in the future. If you're young, young got the benefit of that, so basically you really need to go out there and start getting, you know, really stepping into that short-term discomfort to get as many experiences as you can to understand what your purpose is.

So really, you know, it's about understanding, finding your purpose, first of all, and then it's about having a system of goals in place. I've actually, yeah. And basically it's having those, but if you don't, people, in this self-development world, and people say, who's here's got goals? And you know, you get some people, yes, I have, you know, people that don't have goals, don't think they do have goals. Regardless of whether

you like it or not, our subconscious is a goal-driven goal-getting machine, and it will focus on getting exactly what you focus on, what your dominant thoughts focus on. So if you haven't got a chosen goal, it will come up with something that you think about, you know, that's your dominant thoughts. And nine times out of 10, we 70,000 to a hundred thoughts going around our head every day, you are going to end up with a load of crap that you don't want. Very much based on the facts as well or amplified by the fact, we are negatively geared. And I'm sort of jumping ahead because this is the very... Hey, I've got it. Talk to us about the negativity default. I've got it. That's the next question.

Ollie, you're reading my notes. Stop reading my notes, man. We've got the same book. Yeah, we do. Fuck, that's exactly why. Yeah, the negativity default, I absolutely look at. So tell us about that. Yeah, it's really, for me, in that boot camp, I wanted to understand, like I said to you,

and said before about the Haines manual, I don't, you know, in that boot camp, I wanted to understand, like I said to you, it said before about the Haynes manual, I don't, you know, a mechanic can't fix a motorbike unless he understands how it works, what's going on, and basically understands the work into that machines, of that machine, from then he can do a diagnostic, then he can fix the problem. For me, it was about understanding,

why am I thinking negatively? How did I go from being a special forces hero to zero, to actually sub-zero? How did that happen? And I couldn't understand what happened in between and how I could fall down so far. And then I started looking at the fact, why do I think these negative thoughts?

Why do, why does that happen? So I started to at the fact, why do I think these negative thoughts? Why does that happen? So I started to read a lot into psychology, but I really do think it wasn't about reading it, it was about learning to understand myself and what was going on. I really looked into the back, I looked to sort of into evolution of the species and whether you like it or not,

our primal instincts are the things that makers thrive today. So really, you imagine a caveman, a caveman never came out of his cave and went, hmm, right, let's have a look. I wonder what amazing opportunities are going to come my way today. They were like, where's that fucking saber to, tiger? Where's that monkey? But they were always looking for what was going

to go wrong because that's the thing that kept them alive until today we're still geared that way. Everyone can relate to the fact whenever something gets, when any kind of challenge that they doubt, you know, is a bit of a challenge, they're always looking for what could go wrong. It's just our natural default. When it comes to evolution of the species, there's no actual benefit to being positive. Being positive and have a positive mindset is not going to save you from being eaten by a tiger. So really it's about understanding that our system is based on negativity. That's just the way we are. But once you learn to appreciate that and not think that you are just a singular person out there that is subject to a negative mindset and that guy over there who seems to win every day at work, he is

just gifted, is a different person, you're all the same, he just thinks differently. That's one of the key realizations I think of overcoming a negativity default. It's to understand that the fact that you catastrophize risk is not some personal curse bestowed on just you. It is an inbuilt fitness enhancing system that our entire species has got because we are not supposed to expend any more calories than we need to because you taking a risk might make you a bit more alive but a lot more dead, which is a very bad situation to be in it An existential risk. It means your genes don't get passed on Everything in our evolutionary past up until 20,000 years ago Benefitted the people the humans that were the most risk averse and now because we've got for the first time in history

A surplus of resources as opposed to a scarcity of resources, we're now just expecting our brains to catch up and be like, I don't need to be scared of the cold shower. I don't need to be scared of the high, the big roller coaster thing. It's like, no, no, no, all of your fucking ancestors did. So you're going to be as well. And, you know, I think you're totally correct stepping into the programming and you talk about this in the meditation section as well So I'm gonna jump ahead, but there's a concept called the mindfulness gap by Corey Allen And this is what you touch on you give it a different name, but just Giving yourself that second, you know to think and just think actually is this negative thought serving me?

Is this is this something worth being scared of? Last night, my dad, me and my dad were having a bit of a discussion. He started his first business. And I'm like, Dad, is this actually something that you need to be concerned about? Or is it just your natural risk aversion manifesting itself? You know? Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. And a way around that as well, I was, I came up with a bit of a analogy, if you call it that the other day, but when it comes to something, when it comes to, when you actually understand

that that is our default, okay. What you have to do, when you wanna achieve anything in life, you have to understand, and this goes back to the magic you're looking for, is the work you're avoiding. You know what I mean? You are always going to steer away from that short-term discomfort which will then lead to long-term gain, and that's what a lot of the book is really based around on my previous book, Breakpoint, the whole ethos of Breakpoint is around taking that short-term discomfort. But really,

what you have to have, if you want to to start a business or if you want to start anything like that, you have to make sure that your goal overwhelms your circumstances. If I can give you a bit of an analogy on that, if I said to you one day, I'm I'm studying next to you, it's freezing cold, we're studying next to a lake, there's pretty much close to ice on the top and I said, mate, jump in there, you'd be like, fuck off. And we're talking to pay me, yeah. Yeah, no, exactly. But if I chuck the person that you loved, right in the middle of that, and they start to drown, would you give a fuck about how cold it was? Yeah. Man, I've got, I've got, I've got, Oli, I've got a quote from the book here, which is talking about Shortcut Syndrome. And this is one of my favorite, favorite bits.

I'm going to read you a passage here. So you's talking about short cut syndrome. And this is one of my favorite, favorite bits. I'm gonna read you a passage here. So you're talking about why you hadn't learned to surf, even though it would be cool to do. You said, my failure is linked to my inability to see purpose in the outcome of surfing. Yes, I'm sure it would be cool and very satisfying, but until you get the taste of success, you fail to see the need and purpose.

And purpose alone is the one thing that drives anyone to achieve their goals. One day I'll be able to surf as soon as it ascends to the top of my goal setting priorities. Nailed it. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. But the thing is for all this time prior to to and the reason I've got a surf fan the reason I've got to surf boards in the load of wetsuits is because my ego wants to surf That's it, but you know you you hit the nail on the head when you say that it needs to ascend to the top of your purpose in life And there's this quote from Ray Dal, you can have anything you want,

but not everything you want. And choosing to do few things well, condensed down, I think it is another part of that. I'm sure that you're back, you man, you're gonna become a cool surfer at some point. But as you say, not right now. So you touched on it before. Can you just explain the concept of a break point, please?

Yeah, break point. And that is really the, you know what, that moment I got attacked by the chimp was the reason I started my company called break point, because that was the moment I was stuck underneath the chimp, and it was the moment I was going to die. Now as the moment, I could have laid down there and just been torn to bits and not be here today. But I knew that I had to, for any chance of surviving that day, I had to step further into the discomfort

of that situation for any chance of long-term gain. And really, that was my first break point. It's the moment you decide nothing's gonna stand between you and your goals and you're prepared to take that short-term discomfort because you know there's a long term gain on the other side of it. Saving the family member that's drowning in the icy lake. Exactly, exactly. Exactly that point. But the thing is, and that, you don't have to go to the circus and get attacked after watching this podcast. But what I'm saying is that happens with everything in life. You know, and that is why it relates to this book being battle ready. It's about squaring everything

away. It's about cleaning the dishes so it's not there the next day for you. It's about take care of every little thing stepping into that short term discomfort to make life better in the long term. And in every aspect of your life, it's making you battle ready. And that is the whole concept. But that is break point. Break point is the moment that you, it's that sliding door's moment of opportunity. It's the moment that you get up in the morning.

You know, I put a post on this morning, I don't know if you saw it, but it was the fact. I don't want it, when I wake up at 5 in the morning, I don't want to get up. You know, after that, I don't want to sit downstairs and meditate. I prefer to just sit and have a coffee and open my phone up and just allow that negativity and all that nonsense to ooze in from everyone else's lives and and etc etc. I don't want to then put my trainers on and go outside and prefer to stay in and just have a nice coffee and check my email. But the thing is I have to step into that short term discomfort because I know the growth and the benefit and the development are on the other side of that short-term discomfort, that is break point. Man. Can you explain what is Breathe Calibrate Deliver? Yeah, absolutely.

Breathe with Calibrate Deliver is something that, you know, it's those that have read it and the other book and stuff. You know, I relate it to respect my life and the special forces, but really it's not just about the special forces. Although they are teaching this method now in some special forces, but really it's not just about the special forces, although they are teaching this method now in some special forces units over the world. Basically, what happens when you get into a stressful situation and take again the lake, the freezing cold lake, as soon as you fall into freezing cold water, what happens, your breathing goes mentally erratic, doesn't it?

And the first thing they say if you fall into a freezing cold lake, is you must control your breathing. And what happens at that moment cold lake is you must control your breathing. And what happens at that moment, you know, in any stress situation your breathing becomes erratic. And then what happens, cortisol increases. And then that's what leads to the confusion. What you will then do in that moment, your survival instinct, fight or flight, will basically say, get out of this situation as quickly as possible. And a lot of the time, you're going to be running straight into further

danger because you're confused. So basically, what this, what briefly calibrate deliver is, is in those moments, as you're moving into one of those stressful situations, take it for us stacking up on a door about to go in, you know, in the special forces. Anxiety on that door is immense because you don't know what's on the other side. It could be a wall of bullets, it could be a bomb, it could be anything. But you know, there's going to be, it's going to kick off. And basically, it's about keeping that cortisol level down, you know, if the breathing, box breathing. So when I go, when I talk about breathing, we calibrate deliver box, if you know, in a

stress situation and try it when you, you know, road rage or when you have an an argument with you, your partner or whatever, before you react, breathe, you know, and it doesn't have to be, you know, sort of stand there and look like some Zen monk, you know, and it doesn't have to be you know sort of stand there and look like some Zen monk You know going into some kind of you know, it's just the fact just breathe just take a breath first You know breathe in for four seconds hold for four out for four hole for That will then lower the quarters of how many rounds It depends on the situation, but if you've only got if you've only got a short amount of time to do so, then basically I'd say do it four times, but if you haven't got long, just taking one breath

and maintaining that breathing through will help straight away. As soon as you take that first breath, it will help straight away. It's just my new pause. And at that same time, you're recalibrating. Recalibrating is like a triage of the situation. You're stripping away what doesn't matter, you're getting rid of the mind chatty, you're getting rid of the confusion. And then once you've aligned with what you need to do, you then deliver the action. So you breathe, recalibrate, deliver. I love it. I mean, if it's good enough for the SAS stacking up outside of

a room that's filled with potentially a wall of bullets, it's good enough for Jonathan who's stuck in rush hour traffic late on the way to work. Absolutely. No negotiation in sales. There's so many people I've been in sales. People sit in a meeting and then they walk out the meeting and they go, oh my god, I can't believe I just fucking said that. And the guys in the office go, what a loser, I've just won that deal. And you've actually done the opposite of what you should do.

You've took the shortcut and your mind's gone, get out, get out, get out. And if you did just not allow them to dictate and just breathe, clear the confusion, and then deliver an answer that's based on clarity and not confusion. You'll win 95% of the time. So what this looks like to me is a microversion of what we've been talking about in terms of deep programming, right? So you have this stasis that your body's operating in. Over longer times, we call that nature. But in a shorter time, it's just the way that your physiology responds and reacts to situations. And especially for the people listening that

are a little bit more cerebral, perhaps the people that are introverts, you'll think that you can armchair, philosophize your way out of a situation. You'll be able to, or you'll try and think, I should think my way out of this anxiety. I should think my way out of this depression. It's like there are certain things and certain thinking tools that you can use. But the bottom line is that if you got up and went for a 10 minute walk, did a little bit of breathing and had a big glass of water. 80% of the problems in your life would be fixed. And I promise you that it's a fact, like a good night's sleep, a walk, a glass of water, and a little bit of breathing will fix pretty much anything. Yeah, but the the opposite of that is people tend to not go for the walk. They had to open a bottle

of wine down that and then you know, check the phone, scroll through the phone, sit on the couch, eat some food, tie in glucose, you man. It's you know, if so many people, including yourself who's literally been to the absolute elite of the armed service in the world, if you're saying it, I think people should probably heed the advice. I got a question actually that I've been wanting to ask you, talk me through your morning routine. Yeah, morning routine. Well, I'll talk you through my morning routine today, which is pretty much the same as I did in a boot camp. It's the same. I try. I don't do it every day. I've got to say that, you know, sometimes I've thought, and I've talked about that, getting back on track after you've, you know, you've lost your way.

What do you think? What do you think, you compliance with your morning routine? Five in seven, four in seven? Well, there's no set, but I always look at the 80-20. If I'm doing something 80% of the time, then it's good. But I'm not so, a lot of people actually reading the book and stuff like that must think, he must be boring to live with. But it's not, I know my faults. I know sometimes, up until about, when I first went into isolation, I know my faults and I know sometimes up until about,

when I first went into isolation, I was letting that slip, I was eating really bad foods. So anyway, morning routine for me, now the morning routine is so, so important because by me taking myself to the day, I dominate every time, okay? Or at least I'm in a good position to be able to take anything

that comes my way. Now if you're the kind of person that just, you know, is on the snooze brought in 24, so you know, and just get us up at the last minute, you're basically allowing the day to come to you and it's more likely going to walk all over you. So for me, I wake up now at five o'clock in the morning, that's just a regular pattern. And I straight away, I know that if I don't take action quickly, my brain's gonna talk me out of it, roll over, cover my girlfriend, and that's it all over. So it's really for me, get out of bed, straight out of bed. I then go downstairs and I meditate.

I sit there, I do a guided meditation, something by it, I use a lot of Bob Proctor stuff, I don't know if you're aware of Bob's, I love Bob I think he's amazing. But any kind of meditation, for me, when I say meditation, you know a lot of people think, oh, they're too scared to venture into it because they don't understand what it's all about. But for me, it's my focused attention at my intentions. So I use that time to sit there and it's really about me being able to clear my mind of anything else that's going on.

And every time my focus gets distracted, you know, I know how to get back. And that really helps me massively throughout the day because prior to learning that, it's a hard thing to do, I had mind-chat going on and it was so, you know, just this mind-chatting and stuff and it was just so confusing. So that is 20 minutes in the morning for me to be able to really focus on what I want to achieve short-term in that day, in that week, in the, you know, in my big goals as well. So that time as well for me is about visualising where I want to be. I've visualised like I've already been there. 20 minutes of that, I then get up, I'll then either go for a run, 7Ks, which is from my house, 7K run, and then

I've got the use of a very nice swim pool at the moment. So I then go for a swim, I'll then later on in the day, go to the gym. So really, for me, and also I've done my fitness and everything. This is me time. In my diary for the next year, I've put in my diary now up until 9.30 it's blocked out. And that is me time. No one can penetrate that unless it's something extremely important. Generally up until 930 I am not available because I'm working on me. A lot of people say, look I haven't got time to do all that. This is the best work you can do and that's on yourself because the return on investment will affect everything in your life. So that morning routine for me is so powerful

and everyone that's not doing it, start doing it because it will change your life. Man, if you win the morning, you win the day. There's a good analogy here about when you are in an aircraft with low pressure. And what happens in an aircraft with low pressure is the oxygen masks come down. And the advice that you're given, the instruction that you're given is put your mask on before you try and assist anybody else. And the reason for that is if you are suffocating, you are not all that you can be to help the people that are around you. And this is the basis of self care.

If you are not making yourself everything that you can be, you're not serving others in the way that you can too. And again, Aubrey Marcus, past Modern Wisdom guest, said, you do not serve others from your cup, you serve others from the saucer, which overflows around your cup. And again, if you don't think that you have the time to work on yourself, you're probably the prime candidate for someone who really needs to consider it and get a copy of Battle Ready and go through everything that's in there. So you quote Joe Dispenza, who's one of my favorites, and this is brilliant stat where he says,

80 to 90% of our thoughts are the same as those that we had yesterday. How can people step in and break that cycle? Process is absolutely process. You've got to break that chain. You've got to break that habit loop and you've got a process, put a process into play that takes you away from that repeat cycle. Because again, coming back to evolution, as far as our minds are concerned, we want to keep on doing what we did yesterday and the day before and the day before that because as far as our minds are concerned, when it's in line with human evolution, doing what we did yesterday and the day before and the day before that, because as far as our minds are concerned, when it's in line with human evolution, doing what we did yesterday and

the day before is kept as alive until today. It doesn't give a shit if you're happy or sad, whether it's a good situation or not, it just wants to keep on doing that same thing. When it comes to the evolution of the species, it will be so happy if you just sat in a corner and procreated all day long and didn't go anywhere because that's dangerous. But then that's absolutely the whole thing about this conflict. I talk about this conflict, this inner conflict.

There's that, that's the driving force for us to, for the evolution of the species, but we there to create, we there to create, we're there to understand, we're there to experience. And really it's about if you want to get out of that, all this stuff or falls in line with break point, it's the moment you've got to put a process into play that breaks that loop and understand as soon as you do it, you're not going to feel like it, but you've got to step into the discomfort initially because what that's doing is basically building a new neural pathway in your mind. You know, the negativity that the loop habit loop of what you've been doing is like a super highway. And when you come up with something

new, that is just that the neurons of a firing, but it's very weak, but the more you focus on the new habit, those new ones start to get and turn into a, you know, like a country lane, then a super highway, and then the negativity will always be there. But the thing is you need to make the positive or the new habit, the new super highway of change. And the only way you can do that is by stepping into the discomfort on a continuous basis, day in, day out. A lot of people say, oh, you know, I'd stop doing that because there were so many obstacles

in the way, the obstacles are the way. Quality, low it. So we've spoken about the fact that we have a call to change. We've spoken about some of the barriers, the way that you need to sustain change by having a process in place, you need to connect to a higher purpose, you need to actually be able to understand what's going on so that you can see the thoughts in your mind for what they are. But then we need to sustain that, right? We need to keep that going. And one of the things you've just touched on it there, people come up against failure.

They find a challenging time, they come up against failure, they run out of motivation. So how can we ensure that the good habits that we've put in place, we don't, you know, run out of motivation, we don't feel like we're a failure. Yeah, there's a lot of things there, but you know, I said, I think I said it at the start of this, Chris, and it was like, you know, I'm sick of people faking perfection. You know, you've got to understand that,

I mean, I personally, if I'm not making mistakes, I know now that I'm not trying hard enough. My goals aren't big enough or I'm not trying hard enough. And I understand that your way to success is Is is is is is a series of failures? You know, but those for me just refrained them their milestones of growth There are only failures if they knock you back and you're too scared to go forward again You know, it's like a pinball going up, you know

You want the pinball to go straight up the center, but it doesn't, it gets knocked from side to side, and sometimes it even gets dropped all the way back. Even with the flippers, you can't bang it straight back up, it goes straight down again. But you've got to understand that on the way to your goal, you're gonna get knocked to the left, knock to the right, but you've got to have a goal on the other side

that's pulling you through, but you've got to understand that, you know, those failures are gonna reshape the way that you approach your goal. And even when you get to your goal, forget the goal. You're not supposed to be satisfied when you get to the goal. And even if you don't make the goal, you're 75% in. It's a, it's a long way better than 0% in your word, you know, sometime before. So really for me, it's about understanding that, yeah, keep on failing.

Keep on failing. I mean, the quote at the start of the book is about, no goal was ever great unless at some point you doubted your ability to achieve it. You know, and it's all about, you know, it's all about having goals. You know, it's so important to make sure that you choose the defined goal that you want, that challenges you,

that can be brought down to bite-sized chunks that you tackle each one of those bite-sized chunks. Each one's a milestone, you get to that, that gives you the confidence to keep on going. You've got a really cool exercise. It's the clock, the clock. Yeah. And as I was reading it, I made a little note on the side. You've got a really cool exercise. It's the clock, the clock, right? And as I was reading it, I made a little note

on the side, any large goal is achievable, given enough time and small enough steps. That's it. There is literally, if I give you an infinite amount of time, there's pretty much nothing that you can't achieve. You could walk to fucking Mars, you know? Like given enough time and small enough steps, you can achieve achieve. You could walk to fucking Mars, you know? Like given enough time and small enough steps, you can achieve literally anything. And I like the idea that you break down a large

grand goal. This is very imposing. This is very challenging. I don't know how I'm going to do it. And you go, okay, what's the next action? What's the very, very, very next thing? And this is how it links into the morning routine, right? You're like, look, I need to do all this shit today, but first I need to pull the covers off me. You know, then I need to get out of bed, then I need to brush my teeth, then I need to do the thing. Like, that's it. It is all that life is. It's a series of actions that leads to accomplishments over time and anything great, any great sportsman or speaker or artist or anyone is going to tell you the same thing. And you look at a piece of great piece of art and you don't see individual brush strokes,

but by definition, that's precisely how that bit of art was made, right? Exactly, exactly. And that exercise in a book, I think, it's such a powerful exercise. And I actually did that. My life was absolutely a rock bottom at that point. So I basically, you know, I had a

Drew round a CD. I Put clock hands through it or not clock hands just lines through it like, you know, a 12 at a 3 6 and a 9 and you know, it 12 o'clock was my main goal. What do I want to achieve? And each one of you know, some people might not have to do all the hands of the clock, you know They might have not only have to do six and nine. But basically, I went from 12 and then at three, I put what I needed to do, where my first goal was, and hands one and two, with the steps I needed to take to get to three. And then you just keep on going on and on and on.

But the thing is all the way along, you have the goal, you plant the goal into your subconscious. Once you keep thinking about, and that's why I use the morning routine to think about that and put it into the subconscious, because at times when times get tough, you need to forget the goal, especially if it is an audacious goal,

which it always should scare the shit out of you. And basically, if you focus onacious goal, which it always should scare the shit out of you. And basically, you know, if you focus on that goal, if it is a scary goal, when times are tough, your mind will just fall apart. You'll be like, that's too tough. But the thing is, that's when you need to get your head down and just keep on moving. We call it in the special forces, one meter square. You need to keep momentum and just allow, just concentrate on what's on that meter square. Don't go, don't go,

don't freeze, don't go static, but just keep on moving towards the next goal. I climbed Mont Blanc last year, you know, and I'm always thinking of, you know, I think that was, that was powerful for me because, you know, we're walking up and it was like, I kept looking forward and I was like getting so demoralized because it just didn't seem to get in any closer and closer to the top of that mountain. And I was like, you know, just forget, don't stop looking up there. You know, just stop looking up there. Look at your feet and just allow your feet to keep on moving. And then every time we stop for a breather, I didn't look up, I turned around and I looked how far we'd come. And wow, what a fucking amazing view. And that filled me with absolute power. And then

it was turned around and crack on again. But you know, it's, and that's really analogy for how you should approach your goals. Do you think it's surprising for people to hear someone who from the outside looks like a very classic, hard man driven, you know, the signature action man, special forces, this guy's got an iron wheel and fucking balls of steel and a jaw made of granite and all this bullshit, you know? Like, do you think

it's strange for people to maybe hear this side all of the self-doubt, all of the worry or the concern, all of the trauma that's been brought through? Yeah, I do 100% but that's why I feel it's so powerful for me to be actually level with people and tell them the truth because people, you know, I can remember someone saying to us, you know, not too long ago saying, wow, you guys are cut from a different cloth. And I turned around to him and I said, no, we're not. I said, we're just the same as you. We're just ordinary people doing extraordinary things.

And really, it's so important for me in this book and my previous book to be absolutely 100% open and let people understand that we're just the same as everyone else. You know, and that really helps people, so that really inspires people. And that is, you know, at the end of the day, my books, I don't care, honestly, you know,

they obviously pay a dividend, but the power for each of my books is what it gives other people. And I can't do that if I'm faking perfection. Man, it's great. So I've got one final question, which is, what would you say to someone who is in the same place that you were in seven years ago, lost in life, potentially with a sense of meaninglessness, pointlessness addicted to some sort of drug,

or dependent on some bad relationship, feeling like they've got no future, nowhere to go, no way to grow. What would you say to someone that was you seven years ago? Yeah, well, basically, I would tell them that they need to understand that what they're looking for is not out there. It's not external.

You can, you know, I was bouncing all over the world trying to find something that wasn't there. You know, the magic and everyone, everyone has the magic, but it's within you and as soon as you start to look within for the answers, you will be given the answers. Okay, so it's really about slowing down. And for me, it's so important. A lot, it's hard to come across in a book as if I'm some raging alcoholic.

It wasn't the case. For me, I understood how, through my life experiences and there've been some crazy ones. I understood how powerful the mind is. So for me to add a chemical to that and disrupt that clarity and disrupt that power was absolute madness. It was like putting diesel in a petrol car. But for me, it's about get rid of all those external factors that are not benefiting your productivity, get rid of the alcohol, get rid of the drugs, and especially if you've

suffering mental health issues, PTSD, whatever it is, unless you cut away the smoke screen you're never going to get to the raw nerve. So it's about making yourself as healthy, as clean, as much clarity as possible drop down get to a level playing field of absolutely where you are create a foundation of growth not not on a comparison of someone else. I'm really start to put a plan into play that has a goal that takes you out of being a victim of circumstance. Dude, Oli, you killed it man. We made it. We made it through. I have to say, man, I said it before we got started. This book is fantastic. This, I'm

going to keep another copy. I'm going to buy for my dad. So, dad, if you're listening, you're going to have one of these landing in the house pretty soon. And I'm going to make him go through it. I think it's a fantastic overview of behavior change. I think he got a really good process in there. And some of the stories, man, like some of this stuff, we didn't even get on to you. Trip you did ayahuasca, you went all the way out to see some shaman, all this mad stuff's going on.

So yeah, I think it's phenomenal. I really, really hope that it changes a lot of people's, a lot of people's ways that they operate and their lives for the better as well. So where should people head? They wanna find out more about you, more about the book, where do they go? Yeah, I've actually got a website.

I mean, I think it's a lot easier that people go to my website, which is oleOWL, IEOWL, ERTON.co.uk, oleolason.co.uk. It's got all my projects, all my books, everything on there. You can find me on Twitter, social media, everything. And mate, please, if you want those books for you, dab whatever, I need to make sure they're signed for you with a nice message.

So please tap me up for that. That would be fantastic. And I will repay the favour mate. If you're ever in Newcastle, get yourself a peer and we'll go to my gym and we'll get a good CrossFit workout in Hazard. Absolutely mate, love it. Thanks for your time mate, I really enjoyed it. And you man, bye bye. Thank you very much for tuning in. If you enjoyed the episode, please share it with a friend, it would make me very happy indeed. Don't forget, if you've got any questions or comments or feedback, feel free to message me at Chris Willek on all social media But for now, goodbye friends