Modern Wisdom - #256 - Nims Purja MBE - Climbing The Fourteen Highest Mountains On Earth

Episode Date: December 10, 2020

Nims Purja MBE is a mountaineer and former SBS Operative. The fastest anyone had previously climbed the 14 Death Zone mountains greater than 8000m was 8 years. Nims Purja did it in 7 months. Expect to learn what the human body is truly capable of, how purpose can overcome fatigue, the truth behind "that Everest photo", what effect Nims has noticed climate change has made to the mountains and much more... Sponsors: Get 10% discount on everything from Slaters Menswear at https://www.slaters.co.uk/modernwisdom (use code MW10) Get 35% discount on everything I use from The Protein Works at https://www.theproteinworks.com/modernwisdom/ (use code MODERN35) Extra Stuff: Buy Beyond Possible - https://amzn.to/3fV5kkJ  Follow Nims on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/nimsdai/  Get my free Ultimate Life Hacks List to 10x your daily productivity → https://chriswillx.com/lifehacks/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oh yes, hello friends, welcome back. My guest today is Mountaineer Extreme and former SPS operative Nimms Purger. The fastest that anyone had previously climbed the 14 Death Zone Mountains, which are the mountains higher than 8,000 meters, was 8 years. And Nimms did it in 7 months. So today, expect to learn what the human body is truly capable of, how purpose can overcome fatigue, the truth behind that Everest photo, what effect NIMS has noticed, climate change has made to the mountains, and much more. These last few weeks, man, like the Marcus Smith episode, the Tom Martin episode, this one with NIMS is just, it's blowing me away in seeing what the human body is capable of. And this episode just is so unbelievable. The guy is aligned, awakened, completely at peace,

but also an absolute savage at the same time. Like, it's just a wonderful, wonderful ambassador. I'm super, super proud of what he's done. And whatever he gets up to over the next year, he's going to be hugely, hugely entertaining and crazy. So make sure that you go and give him a follow. This, this story's outrageous. So get ready for it today. Also, obviously, if you love this episode, please share it with a friend. It would make me so happy. The only way that this show grows is by people like you sharing it with people like you and you're not going to find a more motivational and inspirational story this year.

But for now, get ready for this one. The wise, wonderful and absolutely insane, NIMS perger. NIMS bloody perger, how are you my brother? I'm pure queer sense, so you know glad to be here, you know talking with you in your podcast and all, you're keeping well? I'm very well, man. I'm in the fifth location that I've recorded in out in Dubai, so for everybody that's watching, this is yet another backdrop that you need to get used to. Thankfully, the internet is significantly better here and you're in. Is that your garden? I'm in Kathmandu brother, you know, so yeah, I'm staying in this, you know, hotel park delays. They're like family to me and there's some here quarantine.

So it looks beautiful, man. It looks beautiful. Yeah, let's get into it. You were six years away from a full pension, from the special forces, and then you leave to climb 14 of the highest mountains on earth. Why? Wow. Spot on, buddy. So, for me, everything what I do in life is to have a purpose.

And I started climbing, you know, first when I was 29-year-old, and that definitely started leading into the project, which was to climb all the 14 highest mountain of the world, which is above 8,000 meters. We call that as a death-john peak. And there are only 14 of those. And the fastest someone had climbed this was, nearly 80 years, 14-years-old, eight years.

And I felt like I could do this in, you know, within seven months. And why? Why I left all my, you know, like, job security, pens and everything. It was purely because I felt like I had a bigger propose. And honestly, if it was money, for money, I would have never been able to achieve this kind of goal or project. If it was for the selfishness, or it was just for our family, or you know, all this love, affections effects and all those bubbles that we live in, again I wouldn't be even close to it in this kind of no mission. But what I had purely believed in was I really wanted to show the world that

in what human body is capable of. And for those who doesn't understand, you know, the big, you know, high altitude mountaineering, in the thinnier and all that, just to put things into perspective, what I was saying at that point was, okay, if the world record for, you know, the full marathon is two hours, I'm going to do that in ten minutes. That was the equivalent of this project. That's why everybody was laughing at me at that point You know, no nobody would believe in this no sponsorship came in through But then again, you know, I had a cool reason why I was doing it

I just told you one and the second one was the Nepalese climbers, you know Have been the frontier of a thousand meter peak and you know know, when you hear the story, they always say, oh yeah, they're all just carrying big loads and that is strong and all that. Not really. You know, we are much more bigger than that. We have our own decision-making capability. We all can guide. We all are super technical climbers as well.

And I felt like the justice needs to be done there. So I wanted to raise the name of the Neppelis Clambars in an international platform, which was very close to me. So that's the second reason. In the third as well was, I truly believe, the house that I live is not my home. I believe in the earth is our home, because that's where you're alive you know you don't

if you let's say just to give an example very tiny example if you stay in your home if you got bigger problem whatever it is your home doesn't kind of like relieve you it doesn't give you the thrive it doesn't give you excitement it doesn't give you adventure but then earth is a bigger home where let's say for example even though you are super stressed you got any problem if you go for just like hill walking or walk by the river or by the nature or in the glacier you're super happy. So our our actual home is earth and I felt like with the experience that I had seen I really believe that and I need to raise the awareness about climate change

and global warming. And those three were the main pillars, why I did, why I did. So, and I truly believe on those, you know, percodes, and that's why this mission came. And for that, of course, as I said, I had to sacrifice my job, I had to give up my pension, my mom and dad were really upset at the start. My brother didn't spoke to me for like three months. And there was a full financial gains. I had to remove it in my house.

And there was not even a still response. We said, every day I was working so hard. And I have never really stressed out in my life. And I will tell you this example. I was driving in a motorway. And every day I would go to London to meet four, five people with a sales pitch and come back home. But everywhere I go they were like, oh, it's not possible and then if you think you are that good, why we haven't heard your name

before. And I used to say, okay, I came from special forces background and we have to be covered. So even though I had this all world records, I had said people's life, nobody knew about it. And all this craziness, brother, and I remember that night when everybody was saying no, and this is impossible, I was driving in a motorway and I had like, here's coming through my eyes. I stopped, I had to obviously debrief myself

and I cracked on and this is all what's for the bigger purpose. I felt like I have somehow achieved those purposes and those reasons why I wanted to do this mission. So yeah, it's loads of history over there brother. That's beautiful man. What do you want people to take away from what you did? You said that you wanted to prove human capability. What are the lessons that you want the general public to take away, people who aren't going to climb Everest, who aren't going to try and do this psychopathic endurance event? Every moment when I was in the mountain, Chris,

you know, when I felt like I was gonna die, I said, name's not today, not today. And I really felt like my story should come out because I know for fact, it's going to change so many people's life. I know that because it has changed my life. For example, if you look at who is Nimstoy Pardor, he was underprivileged in a kid who was born in Nepal. And even had flip-flops. I used to live in the house in this room where like the chicken farming was on top of us. From there, you know, I wanted to join the gerkers.

Then I didn't even made it on the first attempt. Even though I was the fastest man, I was the fittest guy. There was vacancy for 25 people out of 2000 candidates who came out there only 18 past the physical test and I was amongst those 18 But just because the guy who was assessing didn't like me. He kicked me out. I had the rights to get that vacancy that passed because there was 25 passes and I was those among 18 people who passed the test but then I didn't give up. I went second time again and I eventually made it. Then even from the garghas to going into special forces, the garghas had served in the British military for 200 years and none of them had ever made it into a special boat service. So for me at that point when I heard

about SBR, silky special forces, it was like oh man man, this is like James Money stuff, you know, they're so cool and you got to be so good at this, you got to be this, and got to be that, you got to be super-fee, super smart, all these things. And when I said, I wanted to be part of that group. Again, my friend started laughing about it, you know, my even some people who I really inspire, who I used to get inspired by them, you know, some mentor, some like officers were saying that names, it's not possible, you know, in order to go over there, you shouldn't be on the super feed, you've got to have the knowledge, like brain

of a tenement. I was like, yeah, whatever man. But then I worked so hard because it was unknown to me. I came from land of country and then nobody had ever made into SBS and my own training resume was mental. I had never trained like this in my whole life brother. I used to wake up at one o'clock. I used to carry like 75 to 80 pounds on my back. I used to tab which is a speed march 20 kilometers. I used to be at the military camp by like seven o'clock. Then I do normal physical training with my military guys for an hour whatever that PT is. Then I work whole day as a labor because I was an engineer and I was building any structure, so it's styling, it's painting, it's plastering and at the evening I used to again run clean fatigue. I used to leave my burger in the school and I run back to the house again 20 kilometers, quick food then I go to the gym, I cycle 65 miles again

from Nepal not a good swimmer then I used to do freestyle like 100 lengths in 25 meters full and I used to literally finish about like not before 10 o'clock then I used to be again a couple of hours rest and then I'm doing that same thing again and I never said I'm tired I never said oh it's raining today or it's snowing today I never said that it was you know like relentless off in hard work what's the the drive? What was the drive to keep you doing that? It's the love for the thing, mate. It wasn't never for money. I didn't never want it to be like, you know,

of course, when you join a special forces, you get paid a lot. You get so much facilities. You got so many access to the other stuff. And you are super respected as well in the community. But I never joined UK special forces to be a general or to make millions or to make more money than anybody else. It was just, I wanted to be part of that cool group who earned their respect, you know. And that's what the driving was coming from. It's for the love. And of course, if you love

something, you got to commit, you got to dedicate, you got to work 10 times harder than anybody else out there. So, yeah, after serving 10 years with this special forces, I was like, okay, yeah, what's next? And then I got this idea of climbing all the 14 highest mountains. And then my purpose was, again, bigger. Then where I am from, who I am, because then my family, because then anything else, it was for the human risk. And that's what it kept me fired up, brother. And it was like, you know, what money is nothing. You know, we all go one day.

We all die one day. Doesn't matter how much you make, doesn't matter how much money you have, you're gonna go as you can. So if you got the purpose and bigger stuff and you got the happiness, come on. That's who I am, buddy. That's a beautiful message, man.

I spoke to mutual friend of ours and past modern wisdom guest, Jay Morton, the other day. And he gave me some inside information on you. He told me that during special forces selection in the jungle, you were nearly killed by a tree while you were asleep. Yeah, it's well like. Yeah, he said that dead trees falling is like the number one killer of people in the jungle. And this tree fell and your hammock, there was a you-shaped hole in the tree that was the precise size of you and it just happened to miss you.

Lucky miss it. Bro, you're blessed. Someone out there is looking after you. One of the things, again, Jason, thank you, Jay, brother. He sent me this big voice note that really gave me some more perspective, especially about yourself. And he said he doesn't think most people realize just how difficult of a feat this is. It's one of the most

insane physical accomplishments ever, but it's got nowhere near as much press as it deserves. That's, that was what Jay said. Do you think part of this is because going up a mountain is so alien to most people, they don't really understand how hard it is. For instance, Ross Ejli swimming around the UK is another endurance feat that occurred recently. Most people have swam at one point. They've done a couple of links in a pool and then if you were to say, right, now you need to do six hours on six hours off all day for 180 days, people can understand what that is, but altitude sickness and the technical side of using crampons and hooking in and climbing and all these sort of stuff, doing rescues, is that so far removed from people's understanding that it's almost like an alien achievement?

I think so, buddy, and you are absolutely right for fact. It's not football. You know, that's why you know I'm not you know as famous as you know in a messy Let's put it that way, but what this is for it is It's super dangerous. It's super risky. It's like you live in a moment. You know any mistake you make risky is like you live in a moment you know any mistake you make you die that's it and there's no no coming back to you that's why people are scared of doing these things it is a voluntary pen because I decided to do this but then every step that you take on the snow or you climbing you're like gosh it's burning your lungs are on fire and you feel like you're gasping for the year you know and you know and if you get that wrong as well you might have

you know altitude sickness which could be like you couldn't have watering your lungs you're gonna have you know like the brain gonna sole up because there's a fluid as well and there's no coming back from this you just have to either evacuate it from the mountains or you die it's very simple and and and the sport is so extreme that it's kind of an alien that that's why people don't understand it. That's why I said like when I said I was going to climb all this 14, 8,000 meter peak in seven months, most people didn't get it. But then those who got it, especially from the mountaineering well brother at first

when I said it, when they saw me they were like oh there you go 147 I can sense it they were like it's good to say but do you even know what it takes to climb one 8000 meter peak because those people knew it so those people kind of renewed the the enormity of this the size of the project but then for regular people they didn't know what it was so then hence why. What sets you apart then? You've got these very experienced mountaineers, much more experienced than you were when you started. And they're saying, this is impossible.

The previous record was seven years as opposed to seven months. What is it about you? Why were you able to do it? OK, it's very simple, brother. I had a bit of talent, like such as people like you said, people like Muhammad Ali, they have the natural talent, but then I also worked, maybe 20 times harder than any other people in the world. I say it. And every time, and it wasn just like given to me, brother.

You know, I climb in the wind speed of 75 kilometers per hour. People can't even dare to get out of their house in like normally stone. Forget that you are at the death zone and you are like, the wind is blasting your 10 with a snow and it's so cool. It's beyond people imagination. And then you know what? I haven't slept for 19 days in Pakistan when I was climbing this peak because we had to run everywhere to make it for the best camp and then there's a summit. And if you don't sleep for 24 hours, you imagine how you feel. And then that's you without doing anything else.

You don't even have a thing to do. If I'm burning my energy like a 10 man, if I'm climbing in but brutal conditions, if I'm climbing this high altitude mountains where people take two months to climb and I haven't slept, why I did that? Because I believed in my purpose. I believe in the reason. I was gonna show the world that nothing is impossible

and then I put my name into it. I put the reputation of UK special forces into it. I put the reputation of UK Special Forces into it. I put the reputation of GERKAS into it. And I put the reputation of, you know, like, Nepalist climbers into it. At no point, I honestly believe that I had the rights to make me kick out of my project because I didn't do well. And when you believe in anything while you do,

sometimes you might have to exaggerate that, but this is who I am. I felt like people have given their life to have that reputation. People have worked so. It wasn't my reputation to damage it. It was built on layers, layers hundreds of years by those hardworking men behind the scene to build that reputation and who am I, as a name style to ruin that reputation. And I believe in that. It could be wrong, but then I believe that, you know, I had much more to give. And I was showing the

world that, you know what? Do not let anybody tell you that you are impossible. Coming from, as you asked Chris earlier, you said, what is the, the main story here? The main story is like is like you you can come from nowhere else like me You don't need to have an opportunity like me You know you don't need to have support like me But then if you work hard enough if you commit to it if you dedicate into it even though if there will be negativity They will challenge you turn that into positivity You can achieve the success against all the odds That is a very simple message from all this stuff.

And I hope anybody can relate their life into this story because we all have our own mountains to climb. We all have our own challenges for how we overcome that challenge, how we become that person. I believe that the 8 billion population has got their own talents, but you need to find out what your talent is. And if you love that stuff and you work 10 times harder than everybody else, you will be number one. You said that you were talented. What does talent mean when it comes to mountaineering? Is it so capacity in your lungs because you had... You overcame, was it TB and asthma as like a kid?

Yeah. Yeah. So, someone who's pre-asmatic, to me, doesn't strike me as a sort of person that makes a fantastic mountaineer that goes above 8,000 meters. Oh, yeah, brother. You know, like I believe again, you know, the power of believing is massive. Your brain controls your body. That's very simple science, you know. What you believe, if you believe with your brain that you can run 10 kilometers, you can

run 10 kilometers. If you believe that you can just do only one kilometer, you do only one kilometer. And it's the power of the brain body. And if I feel I can heal quicker, I will heal quicker. Because if you put same patients in the hospital with similar injuries, the person who believe that he can overcome those injuries or whatever it is, will get healed better. And now coming into the capacity, buddy, I wasn't even born at altitude.

I was born in the most flattest part of Nepal. You know, it's so hot even the flies die at the road man. It's like super hot. It's a tough one. But yeah, somehow, you know, I kind of had this ability to traumatize well. And that's what pretty much all of this, you know, people who live in high altitude have the similar ability But what it makes me different is is the decision making ability the purpose why I was doing this stuff It wasn't just for nothing

I was on a mission. I was on an objective. I had a clear aim. I had a clear direction That's why you know, I became who I am and it's very simple. Tell us a story about when you were awake for all of those days in Pakistan. It was crazy brother and at some point where you feel like it's your climbing like, oh my God, I've went so loud about this project. Jesus, you know, like I cannot obviously come back. You know, of course sometimes, and I just feel like that pain is so hard. You feel like I wish that every lens comes from that mountain

and just kill me, it's index. And that kills all the pain. But then you think like, no, Nims, it's not about that. And then sometimes, because you haven't slept, you know, you are literally like climbing and you feel asleep. And you are, oh shit, you know, if you miss this one, you probably died. And human body is kind of, you know, like, doing this automatic stuff.

But then, I used to like, oh my god, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I used to grab this snow and robbing my face, put in my armpit and I was like, ah, then, if that doesn't work for a bit, then I used to sew out so loud on the mountain like a mad man, you know? On this day, I used to like, you know, make noise and then, the noise is so loud that it works your way. But then, you can do for so long, honest, I used to like make noise and then the noise is so loud that it works you away. But then you can do for so long because you know, you got some energy to do that. Then again, back to your snow and back to your points, why you are doing it?

Who are you? All this motivating factors. So you build them as you go and then that's something you need to have, I guess. Has it changed you? Is it a person? No man, I'm still a simple guy, I respect the nature. I still say I'm humble, but then we all have ego brother. We all have people.

Everybody as a human has ego. But the size of my ego depends upon who I talk to. If they're respectful, I'm respectful. If they want to come with the biggest ego that they couldn't put their head inside the door, I'll kick them out already because I think I have done enough to do that. And that's not with me as well. Anybody in the world, nobody wants that kind of a person to deal with. We all have, you know, that kind of discovery but it's all about how you manage it. I would love to say, and I want to stay humble. I respect those people who are humble,

where if people want to come with all this stuff, I don't have time for that brother. Park it and move on. Can you explain what it's like going up the side of a mountain? Because I've climbed up hills before, but that's just me one foot in front of the other. It's basically a path on an in-kind. And upon reading the book, there's all different manner of teamwork that goes on with the person in front who has to cut through snow and there's different heights of snow. You need to take us through what it's like to go up the side of a mountain? Okay, so I would like to speak about the trailblazing here. So trailblazing is like you are the first man on that snow, you know, and then during the project we trailblaze on the snow conditions up

to like west deep and chest deep. And what that means is like, you know, at some point you've got to create a gap and then you roll your hip, and then you sink in, and then you go, and then it's so much stuff because you need oxygen in your muscles to operate. When you have no oxygen, your lungs is like dying to, to support, you know, the air in your muscles. It's tough, right? It's like, even grabbing like 10, depending upon who you know, the air in your muscles is tough, bro. It's like even grabbing like 10, depending

upon who you are, grabbing a day backpack of, you know, 10 kgs like dragging a car at the sea level. And if you have to 12 blows like that, every step's count and every breath counts and every second is as painful as probably I can explain. But then for me why I do that? Maybe I say, I love that kind of anistop, I love when there's a challenge, I love it because you know, it's something that make me come on, you know, it also makes me feel like I'm leaving in the moment, I'm not thinking about how much more I have to pay, I don't have to worry about what this is going on, what the wall is doing, I'm just leaving in the moment saying, if I get this wrong, I could probably die because I don't have enough time to go back to the summit and come back. And sometimes you are

leading in a very technical reason where it's a blue ice, for example on K2. If you remember the mistake, you die. And then the other point here is, imagine you are slipping in the tent at the death. Johnny is so cold that you know you're in the sleeping bag. It's warm. As soon as you leave that you go like snow coming into your face. It's horrible. But then you have to wake up and it's so cold that it takes half an hour to put your boot sometime. To get out of that comfort from that sleeping bag at the middle of the night and then get ready, that is the biggest mission as well. So it's so tough from all level.

But as I said, you know, learning about whole blazing, like the specifics about how you do it. You walk forward, you make a hole in waste high snow with your chest. So you use your belly, I guess, is like like a snow plow then you use that extra bit of space you step forward and then you do it again. So how slowly how slowly you moving? It depends upon who you are man and sometimes people take so long to climb you know all this

in a distance you know like for example if there's if the snow condition is perfect I Climb the wall highest like whoa, you know third highest mountain in just 18 hours But then for the world seventh highest mountain it took us five days because it was so tough the wind conditions the snow conditions Yeah, but again, you know like if you look at the speed of you know my climbing style I climbed Everest loads and Makal with us the world first fourth and fifth highest mountain in 48 hours. People have never done like this. And then if you see how much is taking me to do that, you can imagine guys. So yeah, two days to climb the first fourth and fifth highest mountains, all of them back to back.

All of them back to back. What the fuck, man? I don't even know what to say about that. It's the main thing, I think, that it would appear is the other than the physical fatigue, but some people, there's ultra endurance athletes out there who might be able to deal with that level of fatigue, but it's the altitude changes that would end most people, right? Yeah, it's the altitude, but you know, you could be more far out or you send bullets to the level, that means nothing over there, brother. And that's why I said, you know know like it's a completely different game and you know people

think just because you are from a special forces you can do not not read I have climbed with so many special forces and then and they are like wow names how the hell you do this you know you not only 12 raising and even just like leave us like so far behind but then you come up you go down and we haven't even recovered for like two months since we climb in with you. So, and then there are so many other people, and I think for me, yes, I have got a bit of, you know, like I would say a bit of like natural talent,

that means, of course I climb a bit better, but then for me, I love that. When you love so much, that is next level, mate. If you have football player or if you love that football so much, you'll not realize, if you have run a marathon in the process of changing the ball or whatever it is, but if you make that football or whatever it is to run full marathon, it's gonna be like,

oh my God, it's so tough. Because he doesn't love doing marathon, he loves playing football. So it's all about how much passion you have got for that sport, and that's what it makes the difference. So the simple message again here in life, guys, if you are doing something that you don't love, you should change it.

Go on out those days that you have to have one job in your life, and if the world is changing, adapt to it, you know, try something new. And if you like that, you could be the number one in that. So there's a quote. And it's one life, right? There's a quote that I absolutely love by Naval Ravikan. And it says, become the best in the world at what you do.

Keep redefining what you do until this is true. And that's what you're saying. Exactly. Keep on redefining what it is that you do until this is true. And that's what you're saying. Exactly. Keep on redefining what it is that you do until you can be one of the best people on the planet that it. But you're very, very humble about the work ethic that you have. But I would absolutely love for a sports scientist to get a hold of your physiology and look

at what your lung capacity is, what your red blood cell count is, what your VO2 max is, your lactate threshold, all of this stuff, because as much as hard work can take you to this place, there has to be some special source that's somewhere inside of you. The same as Elliot Kipchouge. We can say that this guy trains as hard, he lives this, he's like a monk, lives this monastic lifestyle way, he's very, very simple man. But there is something special in his physiology that permits him to do that. And I want to get, if there's any sports scientists listening, please just grab a hold of nims and give us some samples of his muscle fiber and take some bloods from

him because I want to know, I want to know what the hell's happening inside of your body man. Well we see we find out. That would be cool. Talk to us about that Everest photo. Alright Paul this you know it was used in a wrong reason it was used misutilized by the media people and some of them didn't even give the credit and then I'm super offset. I'll tell you the exact thing because I have been there, this is my world, you know, every year, 20,000 people climb one block is the highest mountain in Europe, more than 20,000 people. And then if you try to capture the people of like 20,000 people, how much queue you're going to see on Monblanc. But unlike Mount Everest, Monblanc has got so many different opportunities. It has got different weather conditions. And there are so many like, you know, I would say opportunities of getting to the summit at different time in trouble. And it's not a thousand meters, only like 5,000, but Everest, only like

1200 per minute where you sit. And that number is relatively low. It wasn't any bigger than 2014, 2013, 11 or anything else. And a lot of people were commenting about this without knowing about Everest, you know. They were like, oh, it's a tourist and all. I was like, no, it's not. You know, you got to go into the mountain. You go to a kilometer, it's for almost two months. You go to climb through this Kumbu ice fall that can kill you at any time.

Then forget the Lord, say, wall, it's like 1.6 miles, you know. And it's about 55 degrees. You go to crime that then into the South Coast and you go to crime the Everest. Every done that, if you haven't, then please don't comment. Now coming into that picture, a lot of these kind of people were over there. And that season, because of the whole weather condition,

there was only one good day towards two hours the end of the season. And of course, if you have put your time, effort, money, some people have sold their house, you want to go for that, you want to take that opportunity. So everybody took that opportunity, it's a human thing. And don't say that, oh, it's a tourist, no man, you know, if you haven't been there and if you haven't done that, you know, yeah. And that's what it offset me because, you know, people you haven't been there and if you haven't done that, you know, yeah. And that's what it offset me because, you know, people use it for the wrong reason.

You know, if you have crime every sin in whatever way, then you can talk. But then again, be true to yourself, you know. And then a lot of people ask me, oh, every sin is a lot easier. And it's like, not really, man, because I spoke with Reinhold Messner, we'll climb all this in a thousand with that oxygen. If you remove all the support men powered, the share parts and everybody else, every is still the hardest mountain to climb. You can't even go through the cum-bhai, so forget you know, Lotsu-Wall. So if you don't know enough knowledge, don't talk about it guys, that's all I want to say.

enough knowledge? Don't talk about it, guys. That's all I wanna say. It was interesting that that's your viewpoint on it and that's the reason. I mean, why did you take the photo for that reason just because it was interesting and impressive? No, no, no, no, no. I took the reason because I was trying to climb every

and let's say in just six hours. My previous record was 10 hours, 15 minutes, which I had broken accidentally. I didn't even knew that. I was just like going in my normal place. So when I said I was going to broke my world record by like, you know, let's say in almost half, because at this point, I'm conscious.

So but then I got stuck in the traffic and all that. I was just like, it's somebody. Yes. I'm a man of my word. And if somebody question me like, okay, you said that, but you didn't do it. People are always like that. You will find people like this. And I was like, okay, it's good. You say me that, but you didn't do it. People are always like that man. You will find people like this.

And I was like, okay, it's good. You say me that but then this is the reason I. It was us for my evidence. I understand. It made this like negative haters sort of their mouth but then it was used in other purpose rather but hey. Man that's so interesting that in your opinion

is someone who's more qualified than pretty much everybody on the planet to talk about going up and down mountains quickly You're still saying ever since the hardest mountain to climb on the planet if it's unsupported It's still even supported incredibly difficult The reason that the mountain on that day was so heavily populated is because of the Backlog of people you get when they do a push to base camp one base camp two and then they finally go up and down in a day You only had a short window of weather and then it's yeah, yeah, it gets flipped because the message that came across to me as a normal member of the public was

look at these rich lazy Adventure wannabes who are paying probably cheap local shepherpers to carry all of their stuff up. You know what it reminded me of? This is what I thought when I first saw all of the new stories. Have you seen those images of people who've shot lions in parks in Africa and stuff like that. And there's always a rich American businessman.

He's a bit fat, he's sweating. And you've got this kind of fat picture of modern day excess human next to a really proud, gracious animal that someone else has tracked and he's killed. And it gave me the same sensation as that. It made me think, have we commodified, have we made so commercialized the tallest, supposedly most difficult mountain on the planet? And what you're saying is that it's quite the opposite. It's still incredibly hard to do. And for anyone that actually understands the way that you do a push up the mountain,

this queue of people was inevitable because they'd done the hard work and this was their one opportunity to get to the top. That was one opportunity and then who wouldn't take that? So if you haven't done that and if you haven't been there, you could have done, some people even commented because they're climbing in different air at different times. It's still the same. If at that point when these people had climbed and there were other climbers up to this enormous size because of the education, because of the knowledge that people knew that,

then you would still be in that same position. It's just the time, you know, it's changing because now people know what it is and people know what it takes. Just because you have been there for the first time doesn't mean like it was so like hard. It's still you got to climb that mountain. Either somebody run to like full marathon in two hours or whatever it is. You should have to run that marathon. It's still you have to do it. You cannot just say, well, one person did full marathon and he's the first man to do it. Or negative brother. If people are still doing full marathon now, you still you got to claim that achievement because you run that same distance.

Be broad about the thinking people and less stop being so like, I don't know, you know, people that's always pointing this aw being so like, I don't know, you know, people just always pointing this alarm and like, it's a negative energy. Yeah, you know, we have come into this world where this is a time to adjust, this is the time where I feel like it's not about the race, it's not about, you know, which national you are from, it's not about, now this thing's going to change, it's about the human race and now coming into this my topic, this is going to happen because with the climate change, with the global warming, if we all as a human being don't walk together, we're not going

to extinguish. We're just going to disappear. So this is where the things are happening naturally, brother. You know, like, where, you know, it's not about, you know, before it was, if you see the world again, back and then, people were not about, you know, before it was, if you see the world again, back and then people were like about the rest, people were from that is changing us slowly. And then now we are changing for a reason. We are changing for our survival as well. So, in every area, we have to be broader thinking in a human, I guess.

to be broader thinking in a human, I guess. Was there not a story associated with your photo to do with people leaving rubbish on the mountain? No, it was, thank God. Okay, but do you know what I'm talking about? I've just made this up. Yeah, yeah. No, no, so I think there are a lot of rubbish and stuff on the big mountains and all

and sometimes people are so mountains and all and you know Sometimes you know people are so tired and they don't do it, but then I think now you know Or also some people probably didn't knew the extremity of that that that incident and They probably didn't know how much it gonna affect the world by living a trust there But now everybody is getting educated going to affect the world by leaving a trust there. But now everybody is getting educated. You know, people probably, you know, used to leave the electricity on in the house even though if they are not there. But now, people are getting educated. So, they turn the electricity off, they don't do food waste, you know, listen, people are trying. And then it's exactly same. I think

that the education has, the awareness has gone a bit wider now. And of course, all these people love the mountains. And as we progress towards this in the next generation, everybody will start cleaning this up. And I think nobody is there as a bad human, I would say. And it's just about the perspective. We all want to do good in life. I don't think anybody in the world want to be known for like super bad in a man.

I don't know if there is, there's maybe point whatever percent, but everybody wants to be happy, everybody wants to be good person. So I think we are a good person. So I think we will start cleaning all that up in the future, all my expeditions that we run, we're gonna, there is a capacity with our guides and all we will bring it down.

And it's not like the effort of one person. We all have to do together. And as long as everybody put everything what they do, as a core message, like we have to look after our earth in whatever way we do, then it's fair. And I think the whole thing with, I just recently was, you know, Sir David Ettenbross, you know, you know, you know, the witness is in a statement. And it's very simple, you know, we don't have to be super like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, I don't know, extreme about this. But as long as it's practical, and as long as we, whatever decision we make, we put in our home as an earth,

as a core into that decision making that we are making, we'll make the whole difference. And that could be small from people like us, to the politicians, to the billionaires, everybody. If everybody plays their part, we're smiling. What did you see in terms of climate change? What effects can you see on the mountain? So from my own eyes, I was on Amadabla in 2014. At that point, when we were at Samwan, we could melt the snow and we can cook our food and drink. I went there again in 2018

and then you know what? There was no snow anything else and we had to carry like 20 liters of water from the best camp and 20 liters is 20 kg and when you had to carry that of that altitude just because you know the global warming is happening and all, it kicks you man. Then the other incident was I was in Dalai Gray. So Dalai Gray is known as the White Mountain because it snows all the time. It's the world's seven highest mountain. I was there in 2014. And last year when I went in a during the Bremen Project

possible, the whole glacier was like melting. And I saw it from my own eyes and that was a bit really sad moment brother and hence why you know like last year I said I was gonna risk the awareness about climate change but now It's a new style as a person I'm acting on it, you know, I cannot change the world, but then I can change in my life style I can do whatever I can do in order to be more sustainable. You did a number of... You did a number of unplanned rescues as well, didn't you?

Yeah. Can you take us through some of them? Yeah, so a lot of people, again, kitsch-y-size once you do it. Oh, yeah, he climbed with oxygen and all. First of all, if you want to say that, buddy, go and try with oxygen or without oxygen and once you do it, you can talk. If you haven't done it, again, park your ideas. Okay. But there is a reason why I climbed with oxygen from camp. Why only take oxygen from the highest camp? Okay. Before that, I didn't take it and that comes into the story in 2016 when I was climbing Everest, you know, in my holiday, between in a water tourist, I can't stand and all that, nobody knew about it.

When I rescued a clamber from 8,450 meters alone, and that 500 meter worth of rescue, it takes probably some, it takes half a day, depending upon who you, when take a full day. I did that rescue in 90 minutes and when I brought her to camp for I handed to the rescue team and it took two days for the rescue of five people to bring her to camp to. Then I realized wow I can if I got this oxygen I can save someone's life like that. Coming from his special forces background, whatever we do in Misson, we always have a debrief, what went well, what went wrong, and what are the lessons learned.

And the lesson learned from me that every sex-be-decent was climbing all this mountain, even though I wanted to eventually climb without oxygen, it wasn't about ego, it wasn't about proving that. And then, yeah, and then I was like, okay, if I can save someone's life, I'll do it. Now coming into this project, you know, I guess I had this man with project in front of me for which I had sacrificed my job,

for which I have given up my pens and everything. The first risk you got called up in, and Napurna, we're meant to be going on dowla agree, our second mountain. But I was like, you know what, for me, I've never left anyone behind in war either I slept with the Gehrikas or his special forces and that's not going to happen on the mountain. So I abandoned this Dowlavery missing. We went without team and so what happened? Someone rings, someone rings you, I mean, who calls you? No, no, he was missing.

Then there was a helicopter, you know, the, and the, who looked for, you know, Mr. Chin, like Dr. Chin, his wife was, you know, paying for the helicopter to go and then search it. They found that he was alive. Then we were, every detail is in, in the book, brother. But, you know, if I go into this one, I think it's gonna be so, so, in depth conversation,

I don't think we have time for that. But then moving into another rescue. So we did that rescue. We saved his life. But then we're seen of because we missed the complete weather conditions. You know, all our team were destroyed. Our lines were gone. And then we had to climb in this brutal condition, which it took us five days. I could have probably done that in a day. But then again, you know, going into Nauk and Tenga, as the world had highest mountain, we rescued four people, and this is very important message here, brother. At 8,450 meters, we found a clamber whose oxygen was

running out. Okay? Then we gave our oxygen to him. So he's straight away. He's alive. We started risking him down. Then we got another clamber. He also ran out of his oxygen. So we gave our oxygen. So we are off oxygen now. Conducting the rescue from 8,450 meters without oxygen, when you are not chlamatized, I say it, when you are not chlamatized, it's a societal mission. say it when you are not traumatized is a suicidal mission. But we knew what our body was capable of and all that. So again, you know, all this rescue stuff, you know, for me, it comes because I want to sleep peacefully when I go to bed, brother. And I don't want to say that, okay, I left this, you know, man or, you know, you know, female or fellow climbers behind when I had the ability to do the rescue.

Of course, my project is important, but life is important and that brother. But that's who I am. If I listen to this story, guys, and if you want to know in depth knowledge, why I do things and why I am who I am and all, there is in depth a story on my book, Be On Possible. So yeah, feel free to dig in. That'll be linked in the show notes below, man. Don't worry, we will be pushing everybody to that as well.

What's next for you? Well, I'm preparing for K2 winter. Expedition, so K2 is the only mountain in the wall. It's the second highest mountain in the wall That has never been on climb in winter so all other a thousand meter peak have been have been climbed in winter Is the last greatest? I don't know whatever the feed you say it so Yeah, I'm out there buddy. I'm out there this Christmas and New Year to go and do this

I'm still working on sponsorship and hopefully you know that will move through and I can go and do this again in another impossible stuff. So that's this year climbing the second highest mountain in the world in the worst conditions possible. Yeah. And no one has ever climbed in a K-2 in winter so yeah. And no one has ever climbed in a K-2 in winter. So yeah, it's that. What is it that's going to make that difficult? Wind speeds, temperature, ice, what is this?

Yeah, you're going to get, you know, hurricane winds, it's going to be minus 65 in the Celsius. And then it's going to be, it's going to be so cold, you know, you're, yeah, it's going to be a born cold, you know. But yeah, we see, man, We see how, you know, like, you know, how we get on over there. In the end of the day, the nature has, you know, bigger things to say.

Still, you know, we are positive. We have got the right attitude. We've got this speed. But again, you know, sometimes, you know, just being the best is not enough for this kind of, you know, like, fit. No one can defeat the nature. We only get the passes. If you got the passes, we'll do it if we don't get it and it's beyond our life. In the capabilities or whatever it is due to the weather conditions,

you got to stay humble. Man, I absolutely love it. Today's been fantastic. People want to check out more to do with you where should they go. I think most of my stuff are updated and in tune on my Instagram at Nimstie. So yeah, and also you know like for K2 and all, once we properly announced it with I haven't announced it because of the sponsorship stuff at the moment. And if that deal comes through, I'm going to announce it will have a website page and all that. But yeah, just in stuff at the moment. And if that deal comes through, I'm gonna announce it, we'll have a website phase and all that, but yeah, just in Instagram at the moment. Perfect. Beyond possible, we'll be linked in the show notes below as well.

Go and check it out. It's a really fantastic read. And you get to go into all of the details that we didn't have time for today. Man, I don't know. I feel like I want to go and climb up the side of a building or go and do something crazy now. I think that you're a wonderful ambassador man. It seems like you're very aligned with what

it is that you want in terms of purpose, with trying to live in synchronicity with the world. I think that the next few years are going to have wonderful things. So make sure that you get back from K2 in one piece, man, because I think that we need more people like you. Thank you, my man, and that means a lot to me, brother. you