Modern Wisdom - #345 - Ryan Long - Annihilating The Culture

Episode Date: July 12, 2021

Ryan Long is a comedian, director and podcaster. What do Whiteclaw, Elon Musk, Andrew Cuomo's daughter's sexuality, Juule, OnlyFans, Dan Bilzarian, John McAfee, Winston from Mumford & Sons, Oli London and a kinky Thanksgiving Parade have in common? Absolutely nothing but we talk about them all today. Enjoy. Sponsors: Get 40% discount on everything from boohooMAN at https://bit.ly/manwisdom (use code MW40) Get 20% discount on the highest quality CBD Products from Pure Sport at https://puresportcbd.com/modernwisdom (use code: MW20) Extra Stuff: Follow Ryan on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/RyanLongcomedy Follow Ryan on Twitter - https://twitter.com/ryanlongcomedy  Get my free Ultimate Life Hacks List to 10x your daily productivity → https://chriswillx.com/lifehacks/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's happening people, welcome back to the show, my guest today, is Ryan Long, he's a comedian, director and a podcaster. What do white claw, Elon Musk, Andrew Cuomo's daughter's sexuality, Jewel, only fans, Dan Bilzerian, John McAfee, Winston from Mumford & Sons, Olly London and a kinky thanksgiving parade having common. Absolutely nothing. And that's exactly what we talk about today. You will definitely have seen some of Ryan's sketches on the internet, the woman cat calling men, the Hollywood movie producers planning their new film that just came out last week.

He's crushing it everywhere, YouTube and podcasting. And it's just nice to have a conversation where we don't have an agenda, we're just chatting about mad stuff that's happened recently. You're really going to enjoy this one. Also, I am still away in Ibiza, which means there is no Saturday episode this week. I know, very sad. However, I'll be back and three episodes Monday, Thursday and Saturday will resume next week. Normal service will be back as soon as I return tanned and probably a little bit bloated from having too much bread and tapas. But now it's time for the wise and wonderful Ryan Long. I'm going to show you.

Ryan Long, welcome to the show. We're here. Yeah, I thought we were recording. I was trashing everybody in the industry as, okay, I'm getting into it, dude. You're in full flow already, yeah, you're right. Trending headline right now, big headline. Andrew Cuomo's daughter has come out. Is Demi sexual? Did you see this?

Yes, she's hard to do. See her. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, yeah. Demi sexual is like the, that's the epitome of like I want in the club. And you go, I don't know if I'm, you know, are you gay? No, and you go, when Demi's actually the funniest thing. You changed nothing. You changed nothing at all.

It's okay. You changed nothing. Yo, I'm attractive to like people's personalities. It's just. So for the people who don't know, it's like the only feels sexually attracted to someone when there's an emotional bond. Like how that qualifies as an orientation.

Honestly, I feel so, you know, I'm just, I'm sad that she had to go through that and I'm, you know, coming out of the closet. That's hard for people, you know what I mean? When you come out and you go, listen, I'm attractive to people, right? Like the personalities. I'm like, oh my god, like, in your life, it's so hard. They should make a separate parade for you. They need a, they need a demi- parade, but Dave, demi-bride parade. You know, it's making me laugh. The idea of, you know, there is an article saying that they're

going to have kink in the, like, whether they should have kink for k- like in the pride parade. You know, like the Heisenpoll, I want to go, I want to do a street thing where asking people like wearing the leather and stuff saying that we're trying to campaign to get kink at the Thanksgiving day parade. So. I've got the turkeys all dressed up in leather. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we think that that's not only reasonable, but the demi parade, they need their own parade. That's a tough affliction.

Well, it says everything now, right? That like demi-sexual is like the biggest counterculture that you could have. Like, that you actually have to take a little bit of time before you get involved in some sort of sexual explicitness. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know if they take time, they just have to, like, the personality. I think you can still be a hoe and me. Oh, okay. That's, all right. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. So it doesn't actually need to take time to get the emotional bond You just need to like the personality

What about a parade for dudes that bus quick like that The premature parade Yeah, the premature parade and like I identify that's my orange If I do Wow That is you're like, wow, wow. That is, you're gonna shame my identity like that. Well, what about the alternative? What's like the opposite of a demisexual,

like the guy that'll just sleep with anything, doesn't care at all. If the person that wants to wait and needs the emotional connection, doesn't sleep with the person that wants to fuck them within three seconds, is that discrimination? Yeah. Well, no, and what I'll tell you is probably the best way I've been describing all this stuff

is it's all like girl stuff, you know, and even like the dudes that are on board with it, it's girl stuff. So it's like what she did was essentially they've taken a really long route to like have a term for just like what every girl a little bit is. You know what I mean? So it's like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, just be like, listen, yeah, girls, you do all this like stuff and you can give yourself all your titles and like we can not care anymore. I love it, man. And dudes can go back and just look and blow and blow.

The premature parade. And the premature parade, yeah. If you were a girl, do you reckon you'd do only funds? Because I spend far more time than you'd expect thinking about whether or not I'd do only funds if I was a girl. Really? Well, you kind of as a guy, right? But there's like a way on these.

There's the guy wage gap. Right. Yeah, there is. There's a gender wage gap. Terrifying. Yeah. Do you know what else? There is that I've been talking about this on stage, but there's a there's a red hair

wage gap. I don't know if you know that. But people who are right here make less money. They make less money. And some people think it's because of the jobs they take, like there's less money in being a carnival operator or a backyard wrestler or a biting the heads off chickens. But I thought, I thought I thought you meant that they made specifically less on only funds that people will, I don't want to see that ginger

pubic hair. But I identify as part of the community. I have a few reds in my beard. Me too. Me too. Yeah, exactly. We're a very, very ostracized people. I don't know if I would, to be honest. I mean, it's hard to... I think I was at this conversation. It's always funny to like that conversation like if I was a girl and people always say this with races, right? They're like, if you were a black guy, like would you think like this? And I'm like, well like well am I still me or am I different guy.

Like if I'm still me like I'm a pretty contrarian like personality like my guess would be that I would find myself like in whatever counterculture you know surrounded me then. But if like if you're like well you're a different brain well then you're like well you then yeah I'd be different in that scenario I'm a different brain, well, you then, yeah, it'd be different in that scenario. I'm a different guy. But with the girl, if I, if I me, I think that I'd be, you know, probably doing some version of comedy or, you know, something like that as a girl. But if I'm like some, yeah, so it's hard to say because if I me still, probably not. What's the, is there a difference in male comics and female comics in terms of what they get?

I mean, why don't you get into your opinions on that? I mean, is there a difference in terms of how much they get paid? Yeah, there's guy comedy and we go, okay guys, I hope you had fun with that. First and now we're going to do the, there's some girl comedy version of the show. I didn't know, I didn't know that it was that bad. I mean, when you think about the net for specials and stuff, not massive amount of women girl comedy boys in the show. She hates it. I didn't know that it was that bad. I mean, what do you think about the Netflix specials and stuff, not massive amount of women on there?

I think that there is, like a difference in, if your masculine or as feminine, like how you do well, but it's the same thing in real life, you know what I mean? If, I mean, there's, you're commanding a room full of people, you know what I mean? So it kind of is just like a masculine art form to begin with. And people are comfortable hearing a woman talk about different things than a man. And there's, there's, there's like, here's a perfect example. Like, if you were at like a bar or something like that, and some girl comes up to you and kind of like, makes fun of you, you might not feel something about that, right?

But if a guy came up to you and he kind of like tried to just come on a nowhere and take a dig at your personality or something in front of your chick, you're like, yo, what the, like so there's just different, you know, a girl can come steal your hat at a bar and it's not gonna be a fight where's a guy can, right? But then there's vice versa with that, right? So on stage, it's the same thing. Like everyone is willing to take different,

you're allowed to kind of do different things based on the culture of people there on dates, right? So if you're a girl, you want to make sure that girl doesn't think you're trying to steal her, dude. And if you're a guy, you're the same thing, right? So there's just these all these dynamics that are no different than real life. Demi-sexual, that's the solution.

Everybody's stay demi-sexual, and then you're all safe from it. It literally solves all problems. And it solves the problems of if every girl is in like the victim class, then you know, you kind of, you know, don't really have to hear it about it anymore. It's just everyone. That's true. I had this quote, Carl Benjamin guy from over here said,

in the same way that constant access to porn is deforming men's expectations of women, only fans is deforming women's expectations of men. That was something that I'd never really thought about the fact that the way that the girls that perhaps do only fans or maybe have a friend that does only fans or even a friend that I don't know is on the outside, you know, they're just do foot stuff maybe

or I don't know, something else. Yeah. What that means for sort of the relationship between a girl and a guy now, like what do they expect from each other? I think that was quite interesting. There's kind of always like, think that one of the biggest problems with everything right now and like the biggest like disconnect in the conversation is that people want to like normalize things that are sort of like cowboy lifestyles. And like for me, like I've sort of lived cowboy lifestyle. Like I was, you know, I've been like a comic and been on the, you know, lived on tour to

2200, you know, days a year and never had a normal job and then scraped by doing this and then just lived this super alternative lifestyle my entire life. And even when it comes to relationships and a lot of time and stuff like that, but it's like a hard thing to do. It takes like a specific type of person and it also takes a lot of, I don't know, mental resilience, but you need to focus on not being a mess because otherwise you just end up a depressed alcoholic or some shit, right? So I think that if you're a certain type of person, none of this matters, but the truth

is, yeah, if you're like a certain type of, let's say, a weaker person, you go, yeah, you probably can't handle that lifestyle, but some people can. So that's, it all depends on like who you are, you know what I mean? I don't think it's as simple as it is or isn't good. It's like, yo, are you the type of person that can handle this shit? And then if when they're not, they do it and then they go society needs to like change to make this easier and you go, no, you weren't suited for that thing. That's what I think, like kind of a lot of this stuff revolves around. But the same way if you're a dude that's like out there smashing, like if you're some 20-year-old, it's just like running through chicks.

Like, let's say a hockey, like a professional football player, something you know what I mean? Or whatever, and a famous rapper or something, right? Those guys, it's the same sort of thing, like when women are that disposable, like it does make you think of girls as like, look at it, like they're nothing, you know what I mean? And they're all scheming, like they're all up to something,

you don't trust them, and it's, A, because the type of girls you're around and how they are around you, and B, like you just see like the worst side of the only thing. I can't remember who the rapper was. So probably, yeah. But a rapper came to Newcastle and had sent one of his assistants out into the crowd and wanted to sleep

with a redhead that night. So he's assistant and a couple of her friends had gone out into the crowd on like redhead watch. And they'd gone and spoken to four or five different redheads that were in the crowd that they thought could be. Like the Rod Stewart style. Yeah, it could be suitable candidates. Like tonight I fancy, hmm, someone Lithuanian.

Let's find someone Lithuanian in the crowd. Yeah, yeah, it turns you into this psychopath. Fucking mental. I couldn't believe that. Apparently this girl had turned up and in the tour bus there was her and four of the redheads. Yeah, and then the rapper is like, hmm, after much deliberation, I decided to go with fat white chick again. For the night in the row, Sire.

But the plebs, they are not up to standard tonight. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I up to standard tonight. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I guess like being that guy probably, you know, makes you think that they're especially after some check that's online, so on your feed and you have about 9,000 dudes like Simpin' like, but if I give you like a 20 bucks, can you say, yeah, it's like, you know,

dudes are loos. Yeah, it's difficult to hold onto that man, but I think it's like, you know, dude, you're lose. But difficult to hold onto that man, but I think it's interesting about having the drugs and the sex, but none of the rock and roll as a part of that, like you can live the lifestyle, you can live the lifestyle of someone that's this sort of traveling, itinerant. You're a rock and roll, it's good.

Yeah, no shit, girls always good. Yeah, like there's no dude that's living the lifestyle of a billionaire without being a billionaire. Guess what? There are a million girls that are out there living like their billionaire right now. So there's ain't a new thing that like girls can fucking live like that even without doing the thing that's what a group it was, whatever. But this, you know, me, yeah, they don't even have to be like, oh, no. There's things like sixes and they're like, you know, top one person only really

if you feel just so funny, dude, if you've got thin top by some six, if you've got in your bio, London Miami Dubai, and no verifiable source of income. That's what's happening. Those guys are funny. Yeah, I agree. Those guys are so funny with all that. Like you live in every city.

I know, I know some specific dudes like that. They are like living in every city and you're like, you're on a couch. Have you got any money in crypto? Yeah, I got like, I don't know, like 30 grand or something. All right, have you learned anything about the last year? Because it's been- I just have a theory of Bitcoin.

Do my body just fucking made a fortune? Like he went long Bitcoin short dodge going and like short like mad like leverage short of dodge going and like, but he, he, what do you call it? Um, hedged it by, by having long Bitcoin in his mind, but that trade, you like, destroyed on. But, no, I kind of, I kind of just have probably like 70% Ethereum, 30% Bitcoin.

I just have it. So, I think my body said this and I maybe agree a little bit. I'm sure like if you're, like, you know, you're in to crypto more that it might sound stupid, but it is to me a little like of a like fashion. It's almost like a little fashionable. I think I agree with that. But you know, I don't have like some crazy percentage of work, will or something. What, is that, are you like a big big, big, big, big, no, no, no, no, no, no. I've got a few grand in that was like Fomokone. I just thought, right, I need to put something,

I need to put something in because everybody else is talking about it. Manage to snipe, not quite at the top, but not far off the top on a buy. And I'm like, okay, well, this was a fun way to lose five grand. You mean you got to throw a little, well, this was this was a fun way to lose five grand. Yeah, it's a fun way to lose. I just I just did a sketch.

Um, Elon Musk groupie support group. I put like all the twos. There was like, you know, I mean, just hanging out as a word. And you don't even move the markets anymore. So I did that with so my bot, that guy, Daniel, just mentioned he run, he, we used to, I used to run the video department and I was part owner of this website called the Hard Times and they have a website called the Hard Money, which is like a financial satire site. It's pretty fine. So we're doing it. It's like a collaboration with those guys. That's pretty cool. Did you see, yeah, it's interesting.

I'm not going to, I'm just leaving it. I like I don't I'm in solid I bought it on coin like a coin base like those fees are so ridiculous to like, but I was just because my All my banking so screwed up just because like I immigrated here not long that long ago and this is so It's like I literally was just like screw it I'll take a hit and I just like when it when it was down a lot I bought you know, I just kind of bought it and I'll probably leave it for 10 years or something. I'm not gonna think about it.

It's weird to me because so many of the people that are passionate about Bitcoin or blockchain or whatever, just seem to be passionate about making money. But it's all guarded underneath. Like, yeah man, but decentralized, it means that the people in the third world can make their payments from wherever they want. It's like, you don't care. You don't care about people in Ghana

being able to send money back to their grandmother. You care about the fact that it doubles every couple of months. Yeah, well, you have to kind of like, because legitimately, you gotta be like a salesperson, right? It's because the whole thing's based on perception. So if you have your army out there convincing people, like legitimately, you say a double is every two months, well, if every single one of those guys is able to convince one person at a bar to invest like they did, it'll keep doubling.

Why not? In that case, why not say, why not just go completely open and say, I like Bitcoin in the blockchain because it doubles every two months and stop talking about people in Ghana sending money to their mother. Because I think you need, I mean, think about it with a stock, if someone was telling you who cares what the company is, it doubles every month, that's not going to convince people. You need to get them as part of the gospel. Like you need to believe that this is not just like that there's value here, that they're investing in the future. Like no one wants to invest in, you know, what is by that description, a Ponzi scheme.

Right. I mean, if you can change something from a Ponzi scheme to not a Ponzi scheme simply by changing the advertising, I'm not sure that that's the most stable foundation for it to be built on. Yeah. I mean, I'm probably the best way to describe it is like, listen, this if Bitcoin and this blockchain technology is kind of the future. There is only a limited part of it.

It'd be the equivalent of if it was back in the day when the internet came out and everyone, you can invest in your own 1% of the internet right now. And there is only a certain amount and it became the biggest thing and it does have a value. So that would probably be the best description where you go, okay, but there's also 45,000 other places saying we're going to be the main internet. And then there's also all the regulations and then there's also 45,000 other places saying we're gonna be the main internet and then there's also all the regulations and then There's also the government's gonna be like yeah, I don't think you guys are out of your mind if you think you're gonna own the We're not And what so there's all this you know, it's like a lot going on right man

I watched this documentary this like miniature documentary on YouTube about John McAfee last night. Have you looked at this? Have you looked at all of this shit? It's crazy. I used to pay attention to him. He was the man. So the John McAfee stuff's wild. Yeah.

And he legitimately said, you know, and this isn't getting any coverage because of whatever, you know, maybe I'm in my little, you know, circles of getting coverage. But to the real world. The guy, well, yeah, you can, I don't know if you're gonna like intro or whatever. You go away, man, you tell the story, I'll jump in.

Yeah, so McAfee, you know, he invented McAfee antivirus, became a big guy. Then he became like, I'm gonna be the exposing government secrets guy. He was paying money on the dark web to get all this stuff, went to jail in Mexico, and there's lots more to that, but he was like heavy on the podcast scene, like he was out there saying, conspiracy stuff for everyone, I'm putting it.

And then he made all these videos in jail being like, I would never kill myself. Like he has a tattoo, he goes, this is a tattoo that says I would never kill myself. I love a tattoo, he goes, this is a tattoo that says I would never kill myself. I love my wife, I love my life, and I'm still in perfect mental state, but I have a feeling they're trying to, and he just kept making these videos,

and like they're trying to kill me, I will not kill myself. And then the next day they're like, suicide. So, McAfee found dead in Barcelona or something. Yeah, Fuck man. Did you see, I watched this Jake Tran, there's a YouTuber, he makes sick sort of short documentaries. If anyone wants to find out more about this MacAfee situation, I'll put the, I'll find the link and put it in the show notes.

He made the antivirus software in a day and a half. Really? Took him a day and a half to code it. And within a month, four million companies were using it. And then within two years, half of the Fortune 500 companies had it on their computers. And it took him a day and a half. And then he got some guy that he lived next door to, supposedly poisoned his dogs.

And then the next day that guy was found dead. And John McAfee was like, don't know what you're talking about. Don't know what you're talking about. Nothing to do with me. I didn't know that part of the story. Wildman, it was in some, some, not Venezuela, but some equally mental country.

And yeah, and then he had shwacked, didn't he? Hashtag, like, dollar sign whacked on his tattooed on his arm. And that was also his crypto that you could buy, but it was, I'll never be killed. And then the final thing was he said, um, he tweeted out that 16 terabytes of government secret data is going to be released and I can't stop it if anything ever happens to me, but that hasn't come out yet. That's a bummer. It did seem like that. He was really hard on if I die, everyone's going down with me and then he died and I was

waiting for the package. I know, because he's got a lawyer that's tweeted something else as well saying, I can't stop it. Once the wheels are in motion, there's no way for me to stop it. It's Sunday like he's setting up a nuclear reaction or something. But yeah, I mean, I mean, that's what everyone's waiting for. If he's got to be, if he's got to go, I think he's like 75. I mean, he'd had like, he'd lived a pretty crazy life, given the fact he was 75. But, and he was like this, you know,

kind of a ladies man type, you know, he was trying to be like a Hugh Haffner, he sort of situation for a while, like he was really letting the money fly and trying to live this Dan Blizzerry and he sort of lifestyle. He was really into SCAT, according to some of his ex-girlfriends.

Which is an interesting insight. Dude, I always see like the damn Blasarion. Avera and my bag, if he was doing where it's like, I get the idea of at the end of the night, you know, whatever, you're like, I want to have a second to do a lot of checks. The damn Blasarion, he goes on these trips with like seven girls. And it's like, have you ever, like hung out with your like, like a chick, you're dating and like two or three of her friends? So like what that's your life? You just hang out with these like seven squawking friggin' instos like that. Imagine you go on a trip to a island with just

you and seven annoying girls. Like, whoa, this guy must be like the biggest loser. Like who the only person I could think that would want to do that is like a gated. Like one of your gay friends would be like, oh, I'm hanging out with the seven chicks. Like it's, the thing that the Himalayan does that he's like cool, right? And I'm like, I'd rather shoot myself than being a private jet with like seven models

from Instagram that don't really know each other. Like what is this? Well, it's cool for the moment that that photo's taken. But if you were able to, maybe he's completely trolled everyone and he just gets the girls in for that and then they have to fuck off and stay in a different apartment and he just sits up late at night

like playing card and reading philosophy or something. Yeah, it is the business model. Like I guess there is a part of it where it's like, I get that where you're like, no, but I have to do this because this is my business as I go take these photos to pay more. To heavy price to pay. To heavy price to pay.

But also why do you think this is cool? I'm just like, like, how does any guy fool? Like, I can't, I don't know a single guy that would, they would see like seven, you're like my chick and seven hot girls are going on a trip and they say that you could have sex if you come when you go, can I just show up that night? Like, do I really get there? For people who are not. This is where the internet gets things so much quicker than even anyone else because I was seeing Dan Bill's Airing is the ultimate manchild. I was seeing videos

with those sorts of titles. 18 months or two years ago. And this was before. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you start to see that well before even like the other internet. You think there's so many layers to the level of investigation that people are prepared to do. I know you mean. Yeah, there's so ahead of the curve with that. They're ahead of the curve with like we don't like that anymore too with things. Yes, soon as like there is a very, if you're on that full-city internet, when people are talking about that stuff and you go in six months, you'll hate them, you know what I mean? Like you can kind of already see the like Elon Musk was a perfect example of that. Like what do you mean? It was you well I saw the the you know he was like on this cool shit poster dude

never was kind of like Elon Musk is sick and doing the Rogan appearances and all that stuff and I can see the bumbling underneath the people being like guys all loser like you know what I mean and like not even the way the media hated them were the media you know lies about him. And like not even the way the media hated them or the media, you know lies about them and doesn't like guys like him. I could see that people was like regardless of that stuff, it's like this guy's not knowing. Like I could just see the fumbling of that.

The same way they turned on white cloth. Like there was a minute where white cloth was on top. Or jewel. Yeah, like all that stuff. Like you could see that it was turning like quick. Like you know what I mean? You could see how quickly it turns. They're trying to launch in the UK at the moment white claw. Oh

Doesn't have it there. No, it does now, but only just. Oh, well I'm in Canada and they didn't have it in Canada when I came here and when I came here I was like this is the best and that was for like three days. I was telling everyone, I was like, this white cloud thinks game changer. I was here for about a week before it turned into like, you know, if you drink white cloud, you're gated. I can't take it. I don't know what a week does. They were given it like the treatment,

like you're drinking a cooler, you know what I mean? Like the switch start. I think the beer company is like unlokey. Like if you work for like bud, they launch like the underground like, I don't know, maybe they own white cloth. But maybe that's what it is. Beer companies have their underground.

Dude, I had this woman on the... I had the woman who did the fire festival documentary on. And she did this big investigation into a bunch of other brands that basically used the same model that sort of really weaponized me about their enemies. Exactly, yeah. So social media influence and all this sort of stuff. And white claw and jewel and we work with three of the biggest ones that came up.

Right. So what did what a jewel do? Like they they tried to pretend like do and vape tricks was like yeah, I rip in a jewel and this sort of stuff But you saw it it was they just seeded shit tons of products to micro influences with between like three and 10k Just seeded everybody with it and then all of the people that were below that thought That's the shit. That's what everyone's using. But yeah, you're right. When people see through it, if the come up is this hard,

then the come down tends to be pretty sharp as well. It does, yeah. I mean, Jule, I got everyone hooked up. When I never smoked properly and when I came here, I had to go to like four or five months where I was on the Jule for a year. I could have J jewels at a bar. Yeah, and I would just be like, you know, this kind of rules.

And then at one point, and then I start buying disposable. Then I got one and then, and then I'd be like juggling while I'm editing during the day. And then a couple of weeks ago, I go, alright, this is done. We're going cold turkey on the tree. We were able to just quit it. I go on that starting smoking up 35. Made it so long. Yeah, you know, ridiculous.

I go, what, I just started smoking, like, because it's, you know, I thought it was just fun. Because some teenagers told you that it was cool. Yeah, at some point I'm like, okay, well now I, it started as like, I guess ironic and not, like this is, there's nothing ironic here. I just do. So.

So. Like this is there's nothing ironic here. I just I'm just a sad I'm just a sad 35 year old smoking while he edits a video. Yeah Yeah, I'm sitting there my underwear editing videos fucking Julie and I go this isn't good Just I just stopped I got done here. There's an affiliate on tiktok who retired off the back of your commission, but is laughing his way to the bank as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, fuck it is. But yeah, it is one of those things, dude, where it's, you know, there's you over like,

hey, where it happens, like, yeah, I mean, you legitimately just got a generation of kids addicted to smoking. You got to fucking evil. There's fairly powerful, yeah, if that's one thing to do. Did you see this, this Oli London story, the guy from the UK, got surgery to look like a Korean person? You see this?

Yeah. That guy is from the UK, that guy rules. Yeah. Even Rachel Dole is all that. Rachel Dole is always like giving him props. I don't know, man. It feels more like one of your sketches. It feels exactly like one of your sketches. It feels exactly like one of your sketches.

I haven't been able to really do a trans sketch that I felt like was good enough to make without it seeming like hacky. I actually filmed one and then didn't even release it because I didn't feel like it was good enough and I rarely do that. Because the trans stuff is the one that, like exactly like doing something like trans ratio.

It just, I don't know it feels like half to me like boomery or something so I couldn't I couldn't I've never been able to think of something with trans stuff that I didn't think you know I get a million people be like do like a trans guy winning like the trans women winning Olympics like I'm not doing that but it was making me laugh I just went to a hot dog eating competition Two days ago You know eating the competitive eating in America. I've seen I was I'm not But it was like making me laugh the idea of if I've trans bow because because the the winner for the guys wins 78 the winner for the girl was like 23 like it's not even like the difference

Okay, so an eating competition would be a real difference between the two. Yeah, yeah, probably more than anything. Yeah, because boys are socialized to eat more than girls. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the reason. Dude, there's these one guy Joey Chestnut. It by the way, I've heard of him. I've seen him on the internet. It's incredible.

And he now just take it seriously. My favorite part of the band. Has he got walk out music? Oh yeah, they have walk-in music, they announce it like kind of a mix between wrestling and basketball and the one guy who uses the announcer goes, oh, reverse all. Oh no. I think I'll have a reverse through. So he's like a celebrity when he comes out, Joey Chess. And the other guys, some of the guys don't even want to compete because he's so much better than everyone else. It's bad for their eating brand to just go get spanked by Joey Chess.

But the funniest part to me was the girl guy thing. So the guys, it's so serious. And there's real money in it, the endorsements. They have two referees each. So there's like 10 people on the stage and each guy has two referees that stand under them. And when they finish a hot dog, the referees have a sign. They have to both sign off.

And if the both referees agree that that was a full dog, they put it on the board. You know what I mean? Like they give the hand. They have all these symbols. On the girls, they have one referee for 20. It's like honor system. They're like, I don't know how much you think you age. Just, like, I don't like,

I don't like, little bit care about the girls. They have 20 referees, each guy has two referees, the girl, and they're just like, after you finish, I don't know, right on a piece of paper, how many do you think you probably ate? Oh my God. You have the trophy, yeah.

Yeah, but no, it was super fun. What was that? The Coney Island. And this is, you know, and like, you know, metropolitan's people talk about how they're so like liberal or whatever. But then you go 10 minutes out. It's a whole different world, right? This is, they go, I go there.

They, first of all, you still see me? Yeah. So first of all, you still see me? So first of all, they bring out the mayor to Plasio. He's like the mayor, he's the mayor here. For the Eastern Com say. He's kind of like, yeah, but he's like the Super Liberal mayor and they don't like him right now. In New York, they do, but anywhere else they don't, right?

He's got the hot dog eating competition, the hat on, and he's trying to be like cute. He's like you know I relish in the opportunity to be here and it was like go fuck it up. You know and the girl who won the competition and he was Melissa I think it was and then he goes he goes on and then she's giving he's giving her the award and people are yelling you deserve better Melissa and then they bring out the, so he's just like, I don't even want to really be. Like he's just trying to, you know, so then after he finishes,

they bring out the head prosecutor, like the DA. What's he gonna do? What's he there for? He comes out and he's like, he's like in the mafia type, you know, attitude, right? He's there with his two boys, his sons, and he's like, I'm just here. I'll tell you, they don't go to keep me straight. Safe. And I was like, hell, yeah, brother. So everyone's cheering for this guy. Like, like, imagine New York, like they're trying to defund the police. We're freaking half hour over. They're cheering

for like the head, Brosecuder right? But it's just like so funny. How much of a different word is the hot dog eating competition rings out the trash? Jesus Christ. Yeah, I was like laughing so much that, you know, anything they mentioned about COVID and wearing a mask everyone's like, fuck you.

Like, it was funny. Man, it's so funny that you say about how it was too boomery basically to do a trans scare or to try and come up with one. It feels a bit hacky or whatever. I've done stand up about it. I've done stand up about it, but yeah, I've been thought of a sketch that doesn't feel like. But does that show just how sharp the bleeding edge

or the subtle edge of culture is at the moment? That one of the main things that's seen as part of the culture war is in a guy that focuses on political and cultural and sociological, different phenomenon. It's like too obvious even though it's the main story, but the fact that is one of the main stories makes it too obvious. Yeah, there's like so much to it and that's what all... At the end of the day, you have to just trust your instincts and you can't always explain it. Like, a lot of times on stage, I used to, you know, one of those things where it's... You want people on stage being like, oh yeah, like I've been trying to say that, not like,

you know, where you kind of say it and you realize everyone was already agreeing with you. Like, there's some version of that. And then on top of that, you need to be able to understand what the interpretation is. That's why on stage, I like it more because people can see me and I control how they see it. And I can react if I feel like they're agreeing too much. In a certain way, I'll kind of pull the other way.

And I can kind of maneuver people's brains to where I wanted them to be, I think. But on the internet, you can't really control how people interpret it. So if I felt like I was gonna do a joke about that stuff, I'd have to really make sure that it's not gonna be weaponized where it's like everyone's like, yeah, a few freaking trends. You know what I mean? Because that's especially if that was in my position.

So I think there's also the inability, the level which you think it's going to be like misinterpret or misappropriate or weaponized for some cause that you didn't want to. So again, I told you, I was saying off camera before, but that's why I don't like doing a lot of those political abundance stuff because they take what your message and bastardize it because they can, they take well your message and bastardize it because they, they can't be trusted. Well, that was something I was thinking about. How do you avoid audience capture in that way? Because you can get wrapped up in being the new darling of the left or the right or whoever resonates with the point that you're making or hates the people that you're mocking, right? Do you ever feel the temptation to kind of lean in to give people what they want to

hear and then kind of, how do do you how do you avoid that capture? Well, it's the dark arts, right? Like I think of that is the dark arts of this whole thing. It's kind of like you could there's that and making money. There's that in business. Like, you know, you're like, we could probably grow quicker at this. I could probably get more girls if I did this. I can get more girls if I just lied. Why not just straight up lie and say you got a million, you know, whatever, but it might not be good long-term strategy. So, yeah, you gotta be, I mean, for starters, I think the most important thing it helps doing it for so long that my opinions are going to change. Like I've seen a lot of people that when happens, what you said, they can become a darling of this something,

and then you see them a year later, and they just have all the opinions of that thing, low and behold. Like I'm not going to change what I think about nothing. Like I've been in this game, you know, talking about stuff for him and opinions for a long time, right? So I think what I have in my thing, my perspective is infallible to, you know, people telling me what they think I should think or whatever, like, but then on top of that,

I think the only thing you can really do to avoid, like, pandering is you have to be willing to like take the hits. Especially and it gets tough like, you know, right now it's a little, it's a little, the, you know, the news is a little calmer, right? And it's, you know, everyone kind of builds a brand and an election cycle, especially if you talk about culture, things are a little bigger on the internet. There's more to be said, the pandemic, lots was happening. And then when that starts dropping a bit, you see people just go for like hard pandas, you know. And I think that's what stand up. Everyone knows, there's people that, you know, that are good, like, kill, but everyone's like, yeah, but that's stocks,

right? So you need to, you get better at like, who's the real criticism? And then you need to sift out. You go, people go this sucks, like, you go, is this people that are just like writing me off because they disagree? Or is this people that are just like writing me off because they disagree or is this people that are have legitimate criticisms and you need to be out there like sift? Is this people that like me that, you know, I've gone the other way a lot of people that someone like me, I don't even need to like mention names, but there's a lot of big comics that would kind of come out of what people like me, the new like dissonant comedy voices if you want to put it in some way like that, they'll go, oh, these guys, you know, are bad or they're fans are bad or whatever, right? And I'll go, not dude, like, I know you

want it to be you love, that's where you love if I was just this right guy, like, you fucking, that would be perfect for you, but that's not the case. You know who loves me? People that used to like you. Like really? A lot of these people, it's like, we'll go to the, they'll be at my shows and be like, yeah, I used to like that guy. He's kind of weird now. You know what I mean? He's kind of all like the only thing he's just like a political bond of now. I like you because you know, you kind of make fun of everything. And then, but so that they can, those people are looking at this and lying to themselves about what's the reality. They go, oh, they're just, I guess all my old fans

just turned into nodsies, like, you know? So I think you need to try to, that's, you know, do stand up. Lot don't lie to yourself, but what you think's funny, where you go, you're putting stuff out that you know is just like red meat for pandering. And yeah, it's a tough one though because that's what you see a lot of these companies that their goal is just to kind of like internet companies especially just to make as much money as possible, as much clicks as possible.

And they end up bastardizing like, you know, what's good to be honest, you know? What's that word where the audience is just the only reason that they're applauding is because they're agreeing. There's like a word for it in the comedy circle. People say claptor, is that what I mean? Yes, claptor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. But you see that a lot, right? And I've heard other comics talk about it as well that you don't necessarily need to be funny to actually get a relatively good set out now. You just need to say things that reinforce the beliefs or the prejudices that the people that sat in your audience already had. That was a moment for that. And this is, you know, see, this is kind of that thing where I go, you know, fuck, fuck, snooze in those places. Like,

that, they put that narrative out there. It's not really that true. It's like dude, there was maybe a moment where in the right thing in front of your fans. If you're like some super trumps the worst guy and you go to your fans, yes. The same way that if you're some super right wing guy and you go to your fans and you're like, yo Biden's old, I feel like, yeah.

Yeah. Like, isn't this, this guy friggin' sucks. Sorry. You go, and then they're gonna go, oh yeah, like you know what I mean, and then, so it depends on, it depends really on like what your side is, but if in the real world in comedy clubs, if you went out right now,

you're like, and that's the reason that Trump frigging sucks in this and that, a lot of people in the audience kind of roll their eyes right now. People audiences aren't as stupid as people want to say they are. You've been following this story about the Mumford & Suns thinks, obviously you were in a band, I guess this might have a special place in your heart. Yeah, yeah. This one's funny's like funny, because it is like, the truth is, if you're in a band, and you're gonna get out there with your disinit opinions,

you better not be the vegan, you know, the plan, the cheese greater with the cheese. You better not be, that guy number 12 like backup washboard player. You're going to get out there with your bringing opinions, especially so you know, it's just like at a company, right? Like imagine you had like 10 founders of a company and one guy is out there. So I get why if they're like, hey, all we have to do is shut up. It's like you're gonna get out there and like we're getting all this key and you're saying all this stuff

because you wanna be this guy that's part of the culture war and you're ruining our lives. Listen, we're saying because he posted Andy Nose, book or whatever. That's that was his whole thing. He said Andy Nose book was good against it. Why Andy T. was bad, but imagine like the rest of them, behind closed doors. They're like, yeah, yeah,

I mean, we all love it. You know, like, yeah, but we weren't stupid enough to tweet about it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. If you go to their dress and here was just like all of them, like, and you know, we're just, you know, those are vandy on the wall, all the inside of the two of us has got like sure. There's a shrine to him at the end of the night But they're just like we have to we can't say this publicly of course we all love it, you know So that was I don't know or they are all or they were just like sick of this guy shit So it's hard to know what the scenario is But I would say that in in my opinion in a band or a TV show or a job or anything It's like listen if you are not the singer or songwriter in a band or a TV show or a job or anything, it's like, listen, if you are not the singer or songwriter

in a band, you won the lottery. Like you legitimately, you were friends with a guy who got really famous, and now you're a millionaire because of it. That's legitimately what happened. So right wing or left wing or opinions or anything like that, like you do what he says. Like you're bet that's in my opinion, I would kind of, I've seen a lot of musicians that get famous on both sides

that they start thinking they're you know more important. Like this guy is like, you know, I need to get out there with my opinions. It's like, you're opinions, you're like the, you know, like a spoon player from SlitNoth. Guy number, Guy number 21 from SlitNoth, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guy, you played the 19th garbage lid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was interesting.

So I had a look at this article and he said, um, this is talking about Winston Smith. He blamed a viral mob for his decision to leave the band permanently. I failed to foresee that commenting on a book critical of the far left could be interpreted as approval of the equally abhorrent far right. Then he said, Winston said, his mumford and son bandmates had asked him to stay with them after the tweet, but when he decided to step back from the band,

another viral mob came after me, this time for the sin of apologizing. Let's say once you put yourself in there, you're gonna get wrecked no matter where you are. He was literally doing the thing where he's like, oh crap, I'll apologize. And everyone's like, yo, why'd you apologize? He's like, okay, I don't apologize. There's only two buttons. I've only got two buttons.

This guy doesn't have the temperament to be, you know, and even if you read what he says, it's like, I agree, kind of, it's like, you know, even what he just said now, he's like, well, I guess like me not being, you know, left wing makes me right wing now. And you're like, yeah, you're right. That's how they see it. That is correct. That's it. It literally says it here being labeled erroneously just goes to show how binary political

discourses become. I criticize the left. So I must be the right or something Like you don't you're not aware of this This is like this is just news to you now Like this guy's gonna be now now what he goes on like the Dave Rubin tour like saying shit that we all like thought in 2013 I apologize on the view goes and apologizes on the view I apologize on the view goes and apologizes on the view

Or you go the other so no man I obviously that sucks like if you're you know, whatever some guy in some band and you're famous and you got all these opinions and you post anything you think in your life silver but That is that is the situation. So I I'm a big And you know what I mean I'm a shantrashing because he goes this is what I want to do And now I'm gonna go say what I want to do and he made maybe he's pretty rich right now So to be honest like maybe there's nothing more to be said than that's what this guy didn't you know now he can Go start his one-man ukulele show them And you know he can write a you can write like you can do reaction videos to any no But there this is the problem with the conservative people who are just constantly flabbergasted with journalists. They'll be like, these journalists are liars.

And you're like, yes, that's the situation. It's like, now that we're on the same page on Planet Earth, you understand that these people aren't journalists and they lie. And if you're anyone smart, like if you run a company, you understand that, hey, how can I use these journalists? If I have something, and by the way, a lot of these people are the same.

You go, if I want to use you, like the dark arts, from my company, from my thing, I need to find a message that resonates with what you're trying to say. And if you're like a big company right now, you go, okay, all these publications want to say that, you know, fat girls are hot. So it's like, I need to make my soap have fat girl stuff. It's like, if you're Tucker Carlson, I need to, you know, say some shit about cancel culture. If I want you to promote my, like, so, yes, all of these journalists are

liars. Now, now, okay, now we're on the same page. What are you, what are we doing? And I think that for me, I mean, try to make funny stuff, right? You know, it sounds like you try to have interesting conversations and you try whatever, right? But it is, it's like, I have relatives that are like this and it's like they get fixated on like, it'll be the equivalent of like they're dating a girl and they're like, oh, this girl just are like this and it's like they get fixated on like it'll be the equivalent

of like they're dating a girl and they're like oh this girl just is like this and you're like yes that's how she is that's correct you know what I mean? Like they're not they're not changing like no that's what journalists are they're they're all liars yes correct politicians are liars so what what now? Does that make sense? Well yeah absolutely, man, I think the mad thing is, I can see it from both sides, because I can understand why is a conservative, you know, a daily wire guy, a Shapiro kind of guy, a Tokikazani kind of guy, you think,

well, this is unfair. The press continue to say things that we know are wrong, logically, they don't make sense, they're hypocritical, they're inconsistent, or whatever. So you think, well, okay, I understand that highlighting the hypocrisy might be compelling to you, and it might actually garner views. But on the other side of the argument, it doesn't seem to be actually changing anything. It's not moving anything at all.

So you just think, well, I mean, it makes for kind of like fun, woke, bashing, viewing. If you have that, let that sort of political leaning and you agree with that, but it's not going to further your agenda because you've done this 3,000 times before and it doesn't appear to make any any difference. You're right. This is the, this is the status quo. This is how everything works. It's written into the source code of the operating system that you and everybody else is living in.

But the problem is that because the left dominates the media and they have control of these narratives mostly, usually, that you have a lot of sort of reactionaries from the right that says, oh, well, this is terrible. It's outrageous. We can't have this. Yeah. Yeah, I know that exactly in it. And to me, it's kind of, I guess the reason it, I don't know, like even right now, like I said I'm saying, I'm kind of like, like maybe going too hard on some of these people if you want to say, but it's the same way when you go, everyone, like there are valid like criticisms of Donald Trump as a president, but when everyone was out there being insane, being like he's worse than Hitler, you kind

of, you know, most normal people, I think, when someone goes, I have a bunch of things about Trump, you go, eh, eh. Yeah. Join the crowd. You know, shut up. Shut up, yeah. Like, you know what I mean? And it's the same thing with this, where it's like, it's like a grifting almost, you know,

where they just like take real issues and then bastardize them into like partisan things where it's like, no, this doesn't have to be like a partisan thing that like, you know, YouTube censorship. And obviously it is probably more conservative, it's more, but it's like, it's everyone. And it's like, there are certain issues where it's like, that's why it's hard to touch them because like a board shim is just a partisan issue. If you're this, you're this, if it's this, there's no change in anyone's mind. And it's like they, they try to use the dark arts of like galvanizing their base on these

issues and just turn them into partisan issues when like a lot of times they kind of didn't have to be. And I think like comedy what would be perfect example. It's like, dude, edgy comedy shouldn't be a left-wing, right-wing thing. Understand that it's kind of is, but it won't. That's going to swing back. I don't really want to be part of this movement to be in like, if you like edgy comedy, that's conservative.

You want it to be that because you want to attach yourself to this cultural power right now for views. So I guess I resent grifting by machine to go up cultural movements and then try to use them for political reasons. It's kind of like the boy that cried wolf in one way. You know, if everybody's racist, then nobody is racist. If everything is racist, then nothing is racist.

And you're right as well. After a while, the Donald Trump story, so you just thought, you can't one up this anymore. There's no more shy of getting into his sexual kinks, which will kind of already got dead. You know, there's almost no way that you can take this to that one ups the story so that people will actually take notice. into his sexual kinks, which we've already got there. There's almost no way that you can take this to that one ups the story so that people will actually take notice.

And when there's so much of a flood, you can't, what are you gonna do now? What are you gonna talk about now? But there is nowhere else for you to scale this up. And you're right, what happens is that legitimate concerns get lost within a big avalanche of people jumping under something that they know is just going to get agreement from their side and generate clicks. Yeah, I think so.

Where it's, yeah, that's where it becomes that struggle like you said once you, I think a lot of people like, you know, the Jim Jeffries even like, you know, he got famous off this like gun control bit and then it was like before he knew it he's like this leveling abundant right? Before that he was like the you know getting drunk and having sexual girls like you know kind of I don't know like Australian frat sort of comedy whatever you want to call it right but which I like but it just you know you have one one thing and it becomes that and I kind of so you do you have to you kind of fight back against it and make you know make other things and you try to decide what you want to be and I, you know, make other things and you try to

decide what you want to be. And I don't know. And there, there isn't like a right answer. I think that's like the whole, you know, being an artist part. But if you're just trying to make as much money as possible as quick as possible or drove as quick as possible, I think you just stand up doing that, right? Did you see what the couple who came out of the house with guns last year? And Mcloffske's? Yeah.

Haven't they released like a brand of hot sauce or something? What have they done? Ha ha ha ha. That's what they've done so funny. I swear that they've merchandise themselves somehow. What have they done? It's like I've seen Silhouettes have been posted

on Mox or something. Dude, that's so funny. Like having people over and going to someone's house and bringing you're like, oh, and McLeod's guitar. Thank you so much. I'm a liberal. It's just, it's just fucking good hot sauce. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, that's exactly one of the same things, right? You've got someone that's kind of found some sort of success, a little bit of cloud online. Like, okay, how long can we rinse this for? The silhouette of him and his wife stood with an AR-15

outside of the house on the front of some hot sauce. We got toilet roll, we got condoms. Yeah, Trigger, you know, Trigger. Hot sauce or whatever, right? But there was, yeah, I'm not triggered. But I mean, do you ever read the book? Like, I mean, a lot of this stuff were I'm applying to politics and marketing

and it's always like for one, what's your goal? But you know, like tipping point, do you ever read any of those kind of books? I'm not sure if it's tipping point or one of the other ones. It might have been another Malcolm Gladwell book, but I think it might's tipping point or one of the other ones, it might have been another Malcolm Gladwell book, but I think it might be tipping point. But he talks a lot about that with vans and airwalk, but it's like there's two ways to go, right? If your brand is like taking off really quickly,

you know, option one is you pour as much gasoline on it as possible and try to like milk it as quick as possible. And that you kind of need to decide whether you're that kind of brand or whether you can actually pivot those fans into something else. And then there's option two where you actually push back against it, which it's like again if I do a big video that was popular with conservatives then the next week I tried to do something like there was again, like I did the next week I came out where I was like, it's not always PC culture. And then I kind of, when I felt like it was, you know, I was doing like a lot of videos about like Fox and CNN being bad.

And then if I felt like I was kind of to bias towards one side, I tried to go the other way. So I, in a lot of ways, I tried to, one, like that's a little less clean of a branding, but you're just like, listen, I'm not gonna stray away from who I actually am, which is like that I'm not gonna say one side's good and one side's bad, like I'm just everyone's people, and I think that I'm focused on that.

And then, and then if you start finding yourself like growing too quick and it's the wrong way, you kind of, you pour, what's the opposite of gasoline? And like, something? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Sand, yeah, you pour some sand on it a little bit. So I think that I, being naturally contrarian, I maybe do it too much, but I think a lot of times I pour sand on my own like growth just out of a spite for like not being you know looked at as certain way. What do you be pulled through by then is it just I want to find something that's funny here

is it just I want to find the funniest thing and try and go after that or is there a more sort of central thrust that you've got? I think it's like how do you be the greatest artist like how can I be you know I how do you be the greatest artist? How can I be? I really do love the idea of looking back at a body of work and being super proud of it, not looking at it and being like all of it. I was in a pretty successful band before comedy and then I used to make TV and tradition all before I moved to America.

And I mean, you look at things and you go, that's when I got crappy. And there is this other element of like, listen, if you can figure out how to make money, and you can figure out how to monetize what you're doing, and then be bigger, like all that stuff's going to help. Like even just the smallest things of having a lot of success in New York, you can have, you can kind of go do spots in whatever clubs you want to little easier, right? So there's just, you do need, you can't just be like

in your basement. So you do need to look at all of this stuff and be like, no, I do need to grow. And so, all right, how much time should I put in stand up? Is that lacking, like how much time should I be doing the videos? Like, and then when you're doing the videos, you go, am I kind of getting away from comedy? Am I getting preachy?

Whatever it is, right? So just like doing those analysis on yourself. But I think if you say what the goal is, is to when you're what I'm 60 kind of look back and be like pretty sick like stuff that I made, you know, be like, they'll have like eight stand-up specials. And you know, like I'm like, all right, you know, be like, they'll have like eight stand-up specials and you know, like, I'm like, all right, you know, six of those were pretty, pretty good. And just be like, you know, that movie I made,

like that was actually really good movie. And like that, just looking back at stuff and being like, kind of, which I have a lot of things in my life that I've looked back on our wise, and I'm like, pretty cool. You know, you'll be like, all right, that was good. But then I have other things where I look back and I go, yeah, we were getting off track there, that sucked.

It's so funny, man, so I wonder how many people that have got success at the moment, or were seeing sort of flying up through the echelons of whatever it is, YouTube podcasting, stand-up comedy, acting, movies, whatever, I actually would look back and say that they were proud of the body of work that they're looking behind, or whether they look back

and say, well, that was just it fed the algorithm. It sort of told people what they wanted to hear. It was a bit hacky. It was a bit melodrama, but whatever I'm on my yacht, it doesn't matter. I definitely think that starting with the end in mind of thinking, yeah, I want a good body of work that I'm proud of. The other people think is cool. Or other people think is interesting or insightful or give them a perspective that they don't see elsewhere. That, that by its nature will bring some success with it. But as you said there, you can be too heterodox, you can be the guy in the basement, totally anti-marketing. I don't need an Instagram, I don't need a YouTube channel. It's like, well, you're going to still be in your basement. Like, you need to play the game, but know that it's not about the game. That's a good way to put it. I really like that. Yeah, you're gonna play the game, but it's not the

the games there to help you get what you want so you can, you know, you can operate your business the way that you want it to. Yeah. And and you make them end their everything as little choices, and that's why I'm like a big proponent of like instincts on stage. Like, when I'm on stage, I'm not having a conversation of should I do this or should I do that? It's like I'm trusting, you know, the years of doing it and you so you when you do the opposite of your instincts as long as they're not, you know, getting malaligned or malaligned or whatever that word would be, you kind of hear like a perfect example on like a little scale. Like, if you look at everyone in the like internet game for the most part that does like videos like me, they all take their videos and then they cut them with subtitles and they usually put it in a box with like the title over top of it, right? They mean bar it, yeah.

They mean Barrett. And I don't do that, and I know that it hurts my views, especially on platforms, on phones, but it is this thing we're going back to, like the body of work thing. You know, things are gonna change in here and there, but I'm like, I do like looking at all the, having all these sketches that like look the way that they're supposed to look.

And maybe they'll get shared as much right now, but I think if someone that like cares about good things, looks through all my stuff, they kind of will look at it like it was a sketch that was made like in that context and not, you know, this like internet thing or something, I don't know. So to me, that's like a sacrifice I'm willing to like make because I have like how I want it to be seen or something, I don't know. So to me, that's like a sacrifice I'm willing to like make

because I have like how I want it to be seen or something. People really struggle to work out what's a trend and what's like an evergreen addition to the body of work. So there's certain new things that get added on that you're like, well, this wasn't a thing before. It is a thing now and it still will be in 20 years time. This is a game changing pivot or an extra little limb that we've added onto whatever the thing is.

Probably. But sometimes it's just a little wiggle in the market or a little trend that comes through and you're gonna look back. I was just at Tim Dylan and he had one of the dudes from Curb on, I can't remember the guy, it wasn't Larry, it was somebody else. And he was talking about this guy, he was talking, this dude was so out of touch with a lot of the trends

and stuff that were going on at the moment, but found Tim's content hilarious. It didn't have a fucking clue about TikTok, like didn't really understand how podcasts worked. You obviously not finger on the polls, but fucking epic comedian who really understands his craft. And I can't remember, even if you said the guy's name, I wouldn't remember. But basically, he was saying, you think, okay, so Tim, you've managed to, like, you're doing it now,

but you're doing it for eternity as well, type thing. You know, you're marrying the evergreen and the current, and I think that that's like a real art form. Yeah, and some of them you go, you know what, I'm gonna do this because it's like a growth piece and then there's always that like one for them, one for me, came back in the day

but then you're like, who's them, you know? But when they, when they, when they, when it really started shifting and TikTok is throwing a pretty big wrench into this where it really is like people make their videos, I guess it would be 1280, 1920 reverse, right? So people are making, you know, legitimate content. And I remember I was doing, you know, I've've made direct commercials and that sort of stuff, right? And when I was in Canada, I remember doing this big campaign

where it was starting where we were shooting on Alexa, like you know, on camera, you make movies on and shoot huge commercials on, and they would tape off the sides of the lens to... So we get it you know in nine sixteen. So you know so you know what frame but you shoot 4k right and then we would it would tape it off because you know that you're gonna be shooting like that and it was just like man like this sucks like so there is this element of but that's what it is our phones are that and is

that gonna be the the majority of how people view videos for the rest of time? I mean, there's a reason why even just from like an ad sales perspective, YouTube's the only thing that like really properly converts, you know, except for, you know, to ticket sales, to sponsorships. Like there's a reason why YouTube views are worth Legitively 20 times more money as a TikTok view because no one's going from their phone so There is something to be said about like when I kind of noticed that when I first moved here I was like all of the big comedians are like low-key YouTube stars like you don't think of that But they are whether that's their podcast on YouTube or you know even Rogan. It's like he's a YouTube star

Like that's what drive those kids sales salesman that's what drives it so that and there might be something to be said about the fact that yeah because they're watching stuff like how it's supposed to be watched so they're like actually connecting with it where the other way it's it's not really designed for you to actually fall in love with it it's just designed for you to actually fall in love with it. It's just designed for you to not leave. Maybe I don't know. And I think that's totally, totally correct. Like think about you can do a thing that at the time you kind of wanted to do or you were tricked into doing, but in retrospect, you wish that you hadn't done.

That we've all done that with a party or a night or a girl or a whatever. And I think that TikTok kind of really is the most aggressive in terms of how that works. And because you're just flicking through this content so quickly, your ability to actually create a relationship with the creator, it almost doesn't exist. Think about how much time people spend listening to your boy's cast, podcast or modern wisdom or fucking like the dual organ experience. You're talking of like hundreds of hours.

I've heard that they spend the same listening to all three of those podcasts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. But you think like, you're like a fucking, it's like you're a god in their ears. You know, there's nothing else. You've got the air pods in, you're walking around, it's like you're a, a, a, God in there ears. You know, there's nothing else. You've got the air pods in, you're walking around, it's just your sound.

That's all it is. You're really connected. Yeah, and you've got this real long time and attention to build a connection. And then you need just a little thing to convert them. But there's no way, like the equivalent number of followers that you would need on TikTok to be able to convert, like no one's clicking off TikTok to go by Ryan.

Dude, I know people with, I know people with three million, four million followers on TikTok that can't sell out, like they can't have Lenna Comedy Club, like they can't sell the tickets like that, you know, and I, you know, I remember I have the only thing you can do with TikTok is if you really do it right, you can get them to you do. Yeah, that's it. It's a front end of the funnel to get them to a real platform. Yeah, I've been saying it's crazy. And it is the algorithm works and you can get in front of people.

So it is, you know, people pay a lot of money to get their things in front of people and that algorithm can be in front of, but the only thing, I mean, if you're proper, like, what I am, I think you got the only thing you can do is get them to YouTube from that platform. That's probably what's the hardest thing that you do as part of your process at the moment? Is it writing, is it scripting, is it editing, is it actually shooting the stuff? What is it? Artistic. Yeah, yeah, but sometimes I'll be like, when I'm writing, I'm like, oh, writing's like

the hardest part and then when I'm filming, I'm just like, okay, let's just get the filming over. And then when I'm editing, it's like fucking editing sucks and my cheeks like, you know, maybe you just don't like filmmaking. Oh, no. It just depends. You know what, the truth is that I, this is the thing that I've realized about myself over the years and I don't always get it right. But I like all of them as long as I get to do just that.

I hate the one, I hate when I'm squeezing anything in. And that's like the worst part. So if I'm writing, like I really need to block off where it's like, no, I'm writing today, or the very least like, 12-3 today. Like the first half of my day is writing, the second half of my day is this. It's when I try to do all of the things and I hate all of them. So when I'm really trying to work on stand up and then it's like, I have to go ahead at this video, I hate it.

But when I say, you know what, I just film five videos and for the next, you know, four days I'm editing, I don't hate editing anymore. Or when I say that, like, I'm taking this week, I want to write six scripts, I don't hate writing anymore. So I don't mind anything when I can really like get into it. And then at that point, I like, I don't hate writing anymore. So I don't mind anything when I can really get into it. And then at that point, I don't mind all of it, but probably the one that's the hardest tone of anything, and this just isn't me, this is the probably, I think, which is an objective truth, writing stand up as the hardest thing of all the things.

Why? Because everything else that you're doing is like most of those games are about being consistently really good and that's a little easier to be than whereas stand-ups about like the one magical home run. So it's like you're writing all week really what you're looking for is that one thing which was like That like whatever three ideas came together to form like the perfect idea with the perfect thing You're looking for like home run like you know nuggets of gold Anything Jerry Seinfeld said and that's really what you are you're mining for like these real real gold nuggets Like you get these with these one lines where you're like that is the perfect Again line that's so funny. Where's the other stuff? It's like

You're you're Like you write a sketch and it's like you really wrote like 20 funny jokes and none of them like most of those jokes If you wrote stand up like none of them would make it you know You're doing more than one speed to it like that wasn't good enough So it's a stand-ups harder because you're you really going to be on your game if you're looking for home runs and a lot of times it's the least rewarding because you spend two, three hours doing stand-up and you go try it that night and you kind of had nothing. And a lot of ways, if I did a video, I would have made one and it would have been good in this same time. So that's why I think stand-ups are tougher than other art forms. It's a really good insight in productivity as well,

that my favorite days are Wednesday. So on Wednesdays, all I do is just go back through the episodes that are coming up for the next week. And I know that I don't have anything else. No emails, there's nothing. Start the day, go to the gym or whatever. And that's it. I have one. I have multiple things, but they're all the same thing,

same as editing for videos or whatever. And it's like, and even emails, like, if you've got emails doing, you're like, oh, well, I've got like, I can sit down, I can put the TV on, I can watch some, some sport, or chill out or do whatever. And I've got a couple of hours of emails to do. You actually don't hate the emails that much.

You're totally right. It's when they intrude, when you've got just little fragments, snippets of things. Because you never get anything done, and then you resent yourself and not having got anything done, and then you think, God, what am I the sort of person that can't even answer a fucking email

while he's supposed to be editing this thing? So. Exactly. Yeah. You have to be a douspec. So it's like you have to set those limits. It's kind of like with anyone, you have to be like, I do this this night to some degree,

or let people in your life know that, hey, like your agents managers, anyone important to whatever you go, hey, I check my email before it's 12, so if it's after, call me just because I really like you. Then you have to deal with a little bit of them, you're like, oh, I'm just a big shot. I don't email me. You have to honestly get better at like selling your system

to people in a way that just doesn't make you seem like too much of a fucking loser, because it is like corny to have to be that guy that's like, hey, like, you know, I don't like answer the phone or emails after five o'clock and that's you have a little window. Like it makes you feel like a psychopath, or I do interviews this day, and you just kind of figure out how to be able to like sell that in a cool way.

And some of the times it is just being like, no, I know this is like lame, but like because I have the way my writing thing goes, I got to turn my phone off, so I have to be like, you know, you can kind of say it like that too, right? The choices between having the silly rules and people calling you an artist or not getting worked on. It's like, look, like, we're all the only reason that anybody who's getting fucking paid is because I get the

work done. So we need to make that this is the priority and everything else comes after. Man, Ryan Long, ladies and gentlemen, people who want to check out your stuff, where should they go? comes after man Ryan long ladies and gentlemen people want to check out your stuff where should they go. The boys cast with Ryan longs my podcast every week first podcast exclusively for the boys and at youtube.com slash Ryan long comedy and everywhere else and Ryan long comedy I release a sketch every single Monday and then the podcast every Friday and then the Boyz Cas with on Patreon as well. At episode comes out every Friday also at patreon.com slash the Boyz Cas. Peace, man. Beautiful. Love it, man.

Thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, great, dude. That was a great conversation. Thanks for having me, man. Yeah, great, dude. That was a great conversation. Thanks for having me, man. Yeah, boy, yeah, boy, yeah.

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