Modern Wisdom - #372 - Zack Telander - Elon Musk, Texas & Men Leaving College

Episode Date: September 16, 2021

Zack Telander is a weightlifter, coach & YouTuber. ZT joins me to talk about the world's most pressing issues like why Elon Musk's silence is violence, why The Satanic Temple is stepping into Texas' abortion debate, why I got involved in TikTok drama, the implications of men leaving college at record rates, whether Joe Rogan will sue CNN, why the new Matrix trailer is so good, my new obsession with AirSoft YouTube and much more... Sponsors: Get 5 days unlimited access to Shortform for free at https://www.shortform.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get a free gift from Tiege Hanley when you try their skincare range at http://tiege.com/modernwisdom (deal automatically applied) Extra Stuff: Subscribe to Zack's YouTube Channel -https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC94_fvLx7abZgs9LIkM7jxw  Get Zack's Program for $1 - https://www.patreon.com/zacktelander Follow Zack on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/coach_zt Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oh, hello friends, welcome back to the show. My guest today is Zach Talander. He's a weightlifter, coach, YouTuber, and all-round, fascinating human. He's a good buddy of mine and we've been meaning to catch up for ages. So we did it. ZT joined me today to talk about the world's most pressing issues, things like why Elon Musk silences violence, why the satanic temple is stepping into Texas' abortion debate, why I got involved in TikTok drama, the implications of men leaving college at record rates, where the Joe Rogan will sue CNN, why the new Matrix trailer is so good.

My obsession with airsoft YouTube channels and much more. Let me know what you think about this one. I really, really enjoyed having Zach back on the show. He's on about 18 months ago and we've become really good mates since then. And it's just so nice to be able to riff about the madness that's going on in the world. And I think Zach's a good chalk to my cheese. Like two peas in a pod, a bun's in another, some other analogy.

But yeah, if you enjoy it, let me know or leave a review or comment on YouTube or something, cause I'm pretty keen to bring it back on more regularly to just try and decipher what is going on on this little planet. But now it's time for the wise and wonderful Zack Talander. I'm good man. I'm excited to be back. How long has it been a year? You're in a huff. A year and a half. Wow.

Fucking crazy. Yeah. Really crazy. Things have happened since then. A year and a half. Wow. Fucking crazy. Yeah, really crazy. Things have happened since then, huh? You've moved. Were we in pandemic mode? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that thing hasn't changed. Oh, okay.

So that's the standard. Constant throughout, yeah. Yeah, I've moved. I've moved to Austin where everyone seems to be moving. You know, me, Joe Rogan, Lex Friedman, we're all boys now. All the big ones. Yeah, no, I don't.

I was here before them, so I can just, that's all I'm gonna say. Ha, ha, ha. All right. What was that Elon Musk thing that you tweaked me the other day? So this is an interesting one, because yeah, this is an Austinite, right? Elon Musk coming here.

Another one of your boys. Yeah, another one of my boys. He's part of my posse. So I saw some some blue check mark Twitter guy was like, um, next time you go car shopping and are looking at a shiny new Tesla. Remember that this motherfucker so many people thought was so cool. Will not stand up for a single woman in Texas after having just moved his company there

And then he quotes I would prefer to stay out of politics. So this is this is Elon Musk's quote or his tweet In general, I believe government should rarely impose its will upon the people. And when doing so, should aspire to maximize their cumulative happiness. That said, I would prefer to stay out of politics. So, the reason I sent that to you is because that to me is... It's a very interesting one. What is your moral obligation to say something something even though you don't want to?

Are you a good person for saying something? Are you a bad person for not saying something? Are you even allowed to not say anything at all? And it really messes with my head, right? It's like, what level does saying something matter? You know, 10,000 followers, 50,000 followers? What does that mean? And so that's something that I like,

I would like to talk through because I still haven't formulated a real opinion on the matter. The matters thing is that that guy got angry. Like from Elon, that is demonstrably the most polite balance. Right? Tweet, ever.

You cannot be more balanced than that. It's so nice. It's like, look, I really don't want the government to get into people's business. If they do get in people's business, they should try and make them happy. That being said, I'm not a politician. Are you like, look at this man, flying cars to Mars.

How dare he not step into our polity? This is why fucking everything's politics now, man. I know, so I'm not fucking insane. When I say like, wow, that sounded really, really mild. You know, that sounded like really, really mild. I don't know if I could be outraged at someone saying something so goddamn mild. It's interesting, it's like, well, he didn't say exactly what I wanted him to say

when I wanted him to say it. Now, what if he just didn't make a tweet? Was he required to make a tweet or something? Okay. No, no, no, you wasn't required to make a tweet at all. But the so then. So what if you didn't say anything at all? He would probably end up getting asked in a press conference or something, I don't, it's really, really weird.

This is very, very, very strange. It's an interesting question, right? Like what requirements do you have as a person of influence to weigh in on a conversation that you don't care about? So I asked someone this question the other day about Joe Rogan. Is it Joe Rogan's responsibility to, let's say that he doesn't care about COVID, let's say he doesn't give a shit about COVID. Is it Joe Rogan's responsibility to have conversations

about it simply because he has a platform that allows him to reach a lot of people? Is it Elon Musk's responsibility because he has a large platform, he's an influential person to talk about, I think this is in response to Texas' abortion, all right? Yes. So I have an answer for this. Well, it depends on what side they're going to take. Okay. It depends on if Elon Musk is, you know, for abortion, well well he probably shouldn't have spoken up but if he uh... you know is or sorry sorry if he is for the six week ban on abortions uh... well then he probably should have shut up right but if he has any

inkling of uh... you know dissent from Greg Abbott and his decision then yes he needs to speak up right what it this is by way, this is not my, I don't, I'm not swaying either way. I'm just saying it's like, what are you not committing? Part, Zack, are you not committing? Are you not having an opinion? This is being a fucking conservative. Right, but see if it's not your opinion, lay your opinion down on the line, Zack.

What the fuck are you doing here? Do you know who people fought for the vote so that you could have the vote in the freedom in the fucking South of America to drive your big stupid truck around? And you're not taking advantage of the opportunity to do that. You know, you have a voice, use it. What about this though?

How about when, what about when we take people, we're mad at people for not speaking up because they have a platform, but at the same time, we will diminish their opinion because they're not a professional in said thing that we want them to talk about. You know, it's like, if Joe Rogan says something about politics, maybe that's not the greatest example,

but someone could say, fuck that guy, he's a comedian. What does he know about politics? That's only if he doesn't agree with your point of view. Exactly, but if he does agree with your point of view, it's his obligation to speak upon politics. Well, people are doing all that everyone's looking for, each side is looking to get the biggest gun that they can and bring it to the fight.

What's the largest artillery battering ram that we can bring? Have we got Joe Rogan on our side? Have we got Elon Musk on our side? And then if you find out that he's actually firing against you, if he's batting for the other team, you go, you do what you can to describe. I mean, it's fairly obvious, right? Like it's just normal human political status game playing. When somebody's on your side, you back them up, you enhance their credentials. When somebody's on the other you back them up you enhance their credentials when somebody's on the other side you try to diminish their impact yeah, it's Just people are so easily propagandized. Is that a word propagandized and It has to be right or wrong good or evil and If some people are figuring out, not that they're in between, they're literally waiting

and they're just figuring things out and they're trying to develop an opinion or taking in more things, it's your fault for not doing it fast enough. Yeah. And I'm definitely one of those people. So I know you are too. Yeah, so my website says learning out loud, like that's the tagline, that's what I'm definitely one of those people. So I know you are too. Yeah. So my website says, learning out loud, like that's the tagline.

That's what I'm doing. I'm trying to work out my views in the world. The problem is people jump to conclusions because being an absolutist or having a non nuanced point of view comes across like authenticity and authority. If you are just completely like single-minded about this topic and I know and my mind's made up, that looks a lot like being an authority, right? And really understanding your talking points. But the narrow-minded person and the person that's done all of the research kind of end up at the same point if they believe that same point of view.

It's a person in the middle that gets absolutely wrecked for going, well, I actually think that I probably could do with doing a little bit more research. Maybe it's not for me. This isn't the hill that I want to die on. In fact, I didn't even ask to be a part of this conversation. But here's another thing, man, regarding this, the new Texas abortion law,

which for anyone that doesn't know is a law which outlaws abortion after six weeks and anybody that is caught assisting somebody, that can even be like the Uber driver that drives them to the Planned Parenthood place can be fined up to $10,000. Did you see that leaders of the Satanic Temple aren't just outraged with Texas's strict new abortion law?

They say it's also a matter of religion. Did you see this? No. Okay, so leaders of the satanic temple, consistent with all our tenets that call for bodily autonomy and acting in accordance with the best scientific evidence, the satanic temple based in Salem, religiously object to many of the restrictions that state have enacted that interfere with abortion access, the religious groups website says, Temple officials are also taking matters into their own hands.

Lucian Grieves, the satanic temple's co-founder and spokesperson, said, the temple is sent a letter to the US Food and Drug Administration, citing religious freedom to seek the ability to provide its members with abortion pharmaceuticals as part of, and I quote, it's satanic abortion ritual within the first 24 weeks of pregnancy. I thought first off that this was like some, you get pregnant.

I'm sorry, are we normalizing Satanism? It's not normal. Apparently they've got half a million subscribing members in, which is more most subs that mean you have got. I'm sure someone will find a way to slander my name for saying that, hey, maybe being a satanist isn't that great of a thing. Maybe, you know, maybe satanism isn't a good route

to go down. Well, they are managing to have religious freedom here. So to qualify for abortion, this is the thing, right? I thought, okay, yeah. So I thought that what they did was it was some like really, really evil thing where people would get pregnant and then they'd like celebrate killing the baby.

It turns out it's not that. It turns out it even, it's kind of weirder than that. What they do, they deliver abortion pharmaceuticals. So they, they actually deliver it so that you go through the satanic temple, you get clearance from a medical professional. Yeah. And then it goes to the American College of Obstetitions and gynecologists. And then it goes to the American College of Obstetitions and gynecologists. And then this is a quote from that guy who said, so it wouldn't really be any different

if they just went to a practitioner and got it directly from them. It's just we would be the ones distributing it. So like, they do multiple things. Not only do you go to them to worship Satan, but you can also have your abortion. But see, at what point does being a satanist really mean being a satanist? A lot of times people will be like, hey, you worship the devil, and then maybe a satanist

back to them would be like, no, actually we focus on the main tenets of, and they wouldn't even say the word Satan. It has to do with choice and all this stuff, when all of a sudden it's evolving into another religion of itself. You know, at a certain point, regardless of whether they believe one thing or another, it is a pretty nice virtue signal for the Satanist, you know, that whatever the Satanist for the Satanist, you know, whatever the Satanist group is, to announce that they are providing abortions,

or abortion. Depends on what side of the aisle you're on. If you're trying to get the conservative, if you're trying to get the conservatives to be all sensible. Well, yeah, but you'll never get the conservatives when your group is called a Satanist, but, you know, I'm sure there's a lot of people on board with the Satanist now.

And I cannot believe this is our conversation. I cannot believe it. I've got another fucking one. So you thought that the Satan thing was crazy. Okay, so this is an article that looked at the differences between men and women's views on abortion. So I think I saw this. Yeah, I shared it the other day.

Polls consistently show that women are more likely than men to support a reduction in the abortion limit. In 2011, a youth of poll, 28% of men supported a reduction, 46% of women did. 2012, 24% of men and 49% of women, so that's gone down for men and up for women. In an Angus-Read poll, 35% of men's 59% of women, and then 45% of men and 59% of women. This raises some pretty big implications. The most obvious being that, if it were left to women to vote on the issue with men out of the picture, there's a good chance that the result would be in favor of restricting abortion. On the flip side, if

only men voted, they'd almost certainly vote in favor of women's reproductive rights. Let's break that down, because that's really interesting. Why is that? Why is that? They put forward a bunch of different potential explanations. One of them being that women who go through childbirth are part of that group, and if you've had a child, if you've given birth to a child, your support for abortions seems to go down quite sort of rightly so. It's magical.

You realize that this is the sort of thing you want your friends to enjoy and experience and build families. Yep. That makes sense. And then I just think of like whenever I think of more men, if it was possible, I mean, this is what I would think, it's more men want abortion, because it's just a bunch of bros who don't want kids.

You know, but obviously it's not the case. Wait, no, it is the case, right? So men are vying for more abortion, or more men are vying for abortion rights. That's correct, right? Yes, because we're just a bunch of bros that don't want to have kids. more abortion or more men are vying for abortion rights. That's correct. Yes. Because we're just a bunch of bros that don't have kids. That's it.

So what they're saying is that they still got linked around somehow. They've got linked around to the misogynistic patriarchal substrate, substrate construct that overarches everything. And so, well, look, what's happening here? This is obvious. It's obvious that men are just trying to control women's bodies still. They're permitting them to have their body their choice, but this just permits men to spray it around as much as they want and not really time their withdrawal method to well.

Yep. Wait, so that, wait, I'm sorry, so the assumption that more men would vote for abortion leads you to that or is it the other way around? So men want to have a reduction in the number of restrictions on abortion, which means that more people will be able to get them, which would permit them to have more sex more liberally with less protection and less good timing on their withdrawal. It's one of those things where it's like there is no opposing the argument because you use the opposition of the argument against them. There's a really good one. I forget who it was.

It was one of the graces, which the graces are the founding family of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. And there is this lore of, I think it might have been Helio Gracie, but I'm not entirely sure. But he went to fight Camura, which now is a common attack that we use in Jujitsu. And Camura is a Japanese, I think, like Judo-kos, or Judo, whatever. And they made this huge thing that,

you know, it was a massive fight and Helio was like 50 pounds underweight and you know, gave Camura the greatest fight of his life and Camura ended up beating him. Fast forward to, you know, later, I think it was Hicks and Gracie. And did you have him on your show, by the way? No, I think it was Hicks and Gracie. And did you have him on your show, by the way? No, I decided against it. Okay, we can talk about that in a bit, but you read his book, I think, right?

Yeah. Okay, so basically Hicks and Gracie, I think was beat by someone. And what the Gracie said was he used good, like Gracie style, Jiu-Jitsu to beat us. I'm not sure if they said that against the about the Cameroff fight, but that's kind of the idea is like, even if you beat me, you know, it's because of the ideas that I had that you beat me.

Yeah. Right, which is the same thing here. Well, what's happening here, isn't it? You have an ideology and then you try and wrap this, you trap, uh, wrap reality around that ideology. So it's unphosifiable and no matter what direction you come at it from, it's still, yeah, I mean, what is your in, you're in Austin, Texas right now. I mean, are the people on the streets fucking like protesting this? Is anyone talking about it in the gym? It's a very liberal city.

So, so people might not understand that. But they must be pissed. Yeah, I think, you know, just go on Instagram and you can find a lot more pissed people about this, you know, across the country. It's very interesting that in the same week that Greg Abbott, the governor says that abortions will not be allowed after six weeks of pregnancy, that conceal and carry does not require a license anymore.

What's that mean? So you can conceal a weapon or a firearm without having a license or without having to get gain a license. Do you need a special kind of license to do a concealed carry? Because presumably you need one for the gun, but then you need extra training to get them carry it. That's usually the case, right? So you usually go to like a weekend training course. You have to, I think you have to take some tests

and then you have to file and then you can get your concealing carry. And I believe that now it's almost completely gone, that concealing carry, you know, bylaw, where you have to take a course. A couple of people walking around. So we, like at the same week that we have now have, like, the most lenient gun control laws,

we have the most extreme abortion laws. So people think that Texas is fucking crazy. Yeah, quite rightly. But if you go to, I'm telling you, Austin primarily is a liberal city. Like, very, it's one of the, you know, Portland's, what's another very city like very price. It's it's one of the you know portlands What's another very like San Francisco? It's a very liberal place people are obviously upset

my My thing is this this it to me the whole six week being the most the the most extreme abortion law in the country by far It's more of a statement than the necessity. It's just trying to be extreme for extremes sake. Do you think that's the same with the good and carry thing? Yes. So what's the goal? Why would Governor Abbott want this? I don't know. I'm not entirely sure. I never really thought about the motivation, but these are things that certain people can do to, you know, I think obviously governors end up trying to run for president or trying to run for Senate or, you know, House of Representatives.

And maybe this is a ploy to gain more conservative followers. People that are gonna eventually want the most possible conservative candidate. Is it Ron DeSantis that's in Florida? Yes. He's crushed it the last 18 months, right? Like he's, he's, he's, Yeah, well it depends on what side you're on.

It depends on what side you're on. I mean, I would say, again, I'm not gonna try to lean any direction here, because that's not my place, but again, I might get Elon Musk. Elon Musk. If I don't say anything, if I don't make my position known, but yeah, you're right, I would say, objectively, his approval ratings have gone up.

You know, everything's been good for him in Florida, but plenty of people would disagree with the things that he's done and the things that he's set. Speaking of guns, man, I've started getting into airsoft YouTube. So you know the sniper, have you seen the sniper videos? Yeah, yeah, is it Dutch? Dutch the someone he's called?

Fuck, man. It's everyone, anyone that hasn't seen this. It is sick. So it's just, I love that shit. These guys in full, gilly suits, full sort of military apparel, and they've got, they're shooting plastic BBs, but these weapons that they have are so sophisticated,

and they've got GoPro's mounted on everything, they've got a GoPro through the scope of the sniper rifle, one on the gun so you can see the guy, one facing forward so you can see what he's doing. Man, it is, it's some of the best YouTube that I've ever watched. There's this one where he does no headshots and the guy starts complaining about headshots. So from a hundred yards away,

he hits this dude in the dick. It's. You gotta love YouTube rabbit holes. You have to love the random nature of them. What did I recently watch? Oh, I went down a cricket rabbit hole. Good man, that's better. That's more like it. Yeah, it was really cool.

It was really, really, really cool. When you come over, we're gonna go watch a match. Okay, cool. It's the, the, what is it? 20s? 20, 20, yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna go watch a match. Okay, cool. It's the, what is it? 20s? 20, 20, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm down.

I, dude, I saw there was like a Netflix, or not a Netflix, something like this, like a vice special explaining cricket. That's like the most American thing that you could have, because we have those explaining, here's the history of baseball, because over here we got no fucking idea. Yeah, it used to be played with a pig skin and you're like, oh, basically, basically we invented baseball because we've hated the UK.

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You want that? You want that? You want that and then we did the old war. And then we were like, yeah, we can't be playing this shit. Switch a rou. Have you seen the new Matrix trailer? No, I haven't. Fuck, and I am a huge, by the way, I saw a screenshot of it and someone was like, this is Neo playing Keanu, or... Fuck, this is Keanu.

This is Keanu Reaves playing John Wick being Neo or something. Yeah, because he looks so much like fucking John Wick. Do you know why I think it might have been? And this happened with, didn't it happen with that fucking guy that plays Superman? Didn't they, because he was in the middle of playing some other role where they wouldn't allow him to shave his beard off? Superman, the entirety of Zack Snyder's Justice League Superman thing, he had to have a beard and they CGI'd the beard off his face. No way.

So, hit dude, I swear to God, the guy that plays Superman. You know they can just do makeup beards. Nope, so he didn't need a beard, he needed to not have a beard. You can't make up a beard away. Yeah, but he wasn't allowed to have, to not have a beard for another movie, right? Yes, so but they had to CGI the fucking beard off. I know, what I'm saying with the other movie, right? Yes, but they had to CGI the fucking beard off. I'm not. What I'm saying with the other movie,

they could have allowed him to shave his face and then they could have fake beard on. Well, fuck them, you know, whoever's got the contract, who has got the bigger contract. Anyway, Keanu Reeves, I reckon he might be ready for a new John Wick, and that's why they haven't allowed him to shave the beard. Oh, that's my theory anyway.

Dude, the trailer, did you not use the website that was up yesterday where you got to pick the red pill or the blue pill? No, I'm gonna do it. What the fuck are you doing? I'm a huge matrix fan. What is more important than this? I am a massive, massive matrix fan.

Let me tell you, I, like, I would say once a year, I sit down and I watch the trilogy straight up. And everyone loves to rip on, what is it, reloaded? Yeah. And the new one that's coming out as a resident. Everyone loves to rip on, what is it, reloaded? And the new one that's coming out as a resurrection. I can't even think of whatever, that one, third one. God, what? Oh, revolutions.

So, reloaded and revolutions, dude, they're good. They are good. Everyone thinks they're good. No, they're okay. Okay, look, maybe it's because I'm so into like the possibilities and like the actual sci-fi that I can't even watch the cinematic. Do you not think that they lost a lot of that?

The most interesting stuff was to do with the relationship between the real world and the machine world. And so much of that just got lost when you had these guys in these mech suits just shooting the ceiling for ages. Okay, but that shit didn't interest me. None of that shit interested me. The coolest thing, dude, was like the ending was so cool. It was so cool.

Basically the entire time, they knew the whole purpose of the one and all of that was a plant. Everything was a plant. But the thing that no one expected was that was Mr. Anderson. You know what I'm saying? And so when Neo allows himself to be overtaken

by Mr. Anderson and then ends up destroying this thing whatever it is like to me that thing kept me going throughout the entire thing I actually that's the thing I was blinded probably by how interested I was in the plot You were able to get rid of the awful Yeah, like the dude shooting the mech suits at the ceiling and stuff, like, yeah, that's probably sucked. Yeah, I'd, but except I don't even know where to land out of my memory. This new trailer fucking crushes.

It's so good. I'm sold. I'm so sold. You know, like, so he's another thing, right? So I don't do, I'm on TikTok technically. I'm on TikTok, but the guy that looks after my social media posts for me on TikTok, so I don't, I don't have, I'm on TikTok, technically, I'm on TikTok. But the guy that looks after my social media posts for me on TikTok, so I don't, I don't have the log-in.

And you got a social media guy. Oh yeah, of course, it's just little humble flex for you there. So what's interesting, right? I got involved in TikTok drama apparently, because I posted a video about the frenzum not existing. Oh yeah. And people got upset. But I didn't know that it was happening.

And then I got a notification saying, hey man, just FYI, one of these videos has sort of caught a little bit of fire. And it had like 100,000 views or whatever. And some people were upset. But I remember noticing the fact that all of this shit was going on because of something I actually said, like I genuinely did say, and I still stand by it, that men overestimate the attraction that women have to them and women underestimate the attraction that

men have to them, which means that the friend zone for one person isn't the same as the friend zone for another. In speed dating, self-reports of relative attraction men presume that the woman is more attracted to them than she reports and women presume that the man is less attracted. So when you talk about the friend zone, if you're a man and a woman talking about that, you're talking past each other because the world to each of you in habit is basically different, right?

Yeah. Yeah. People got upset. Here's the fucking takeaway. Drama happened and I wasn't involved. So I kind of watched it unfold and was like, how silly like drama that I don't care about because it's just on this silly little app I was like oh wait that's all of the drama that I've been involved in for the last 15 years the different I've cared about these platforms and I don't care about that one yes yes I totally, I, as a very casual tick talker,

very, very casual tick talker. I made one that went semi viral. I don't know how many views or likes or whatever it has at this point. I made it for fun and like woke up the next morning and it was going, going pretty crazy. And I was like, wow, this is so cute. Look at this little thing go.

And I realized like why would I not give legitimacy to this stupid app and then give legitimacy to anything else? They're all owned by some asshole at the top that can shut it all down at any point. you know, asshole at the top that can shut it all down at any point. And like the, it's so funny man, like the TikTok space. It's just going to turn into everything else. I think they're, I think we're still in this like Wild West phase of TikTok.

And maybe there was a Wild West phase of Instagram. And that's and I think that's ending literally as we speak. And there's a Wild West of Reddit, and I'm sure that's gonna be shut down pretty soon. What do you think happens? What's the difference between when it's a Wild West and when it's not? Well, when it's a Wild West thing, it's like people are still trying to navigate it.

So it's like, you don't, you see some pretty crazy stuff. You see some stuff that maybe you shouldn't see, you post things, you don't, you see some pretty crazy stuff. You see some stuff that maybe you shouldn't see, you post things you shouldn't post. It's kind of great actually. You really get to see people for who they are and you know, when they comment. I, on Instagram, I just said, I love saying sarcastic shit to my friends,

like making fun of them. Like, if someone was like, what if I do this? Well, I go, well, it's cuz you're a fucking pussy and you should work harder. Totally a joke. One of my friends, they understand that sarcastic. Boom. Immediately, I was silenced on Instagram for that comment. I've been reported for harassment and bullying, but not reported.

I think the algorithm took that. You can't make a funny fucking comment anymore to your friend. Meanwhile on TikTok, this girl's encouraging other ones to go and do anorexia as fucking diet regimes. But the TikTok algorithm now is starting to suppress everything. I mean, I was, one of my other TikToks did really, really well.

It was me reading this guy's DM to another guy. It was like a shit talk, a UFC fighter. Oh yeah, sorry, sorry. Did you see that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This UFC fighter is a crazy person. He's an actual crazy person. Sean Strickland. That's it. You trained with him? No, no, no, no, no, no. And this other guy, Dylan Danis, who did

some like jujitsu training for Conor McGregor, that's how he blew up. He's really nothing special. I will say this. I think he was a black belt world champion in the gui, uh, or he's, he's won some major things. But, um, he said, like Sean Strickland posted something to his story and, uh, immediately after Dylan Danis was like, oh, so you had to take down that story post on me, like, never come back to King. And then Sean Strickland goes on this diatribe about how he would how he would make him see his own blood before turning his mind off for good. Nothing would please him more than to take his

life with his bare hands. Like not the type of shit talk is like, you know, where you're kind of like pumping your chest. It was like the type of shit talk that a psychopath would make. You know, like I'm gonna eat your liver with some fava beans in a nice kianny type of thing. Okay, and I posted that. I thought it was really funny. I posted that to Instagram, did really well.

I posted that to TikTok, was taken down. Chinese don't like you, man. Chinese do not like you. But is that who's running like the... Fuck knows, I don't know. I don't like you man Chinese do not like you, but is that who's running like the fuck knows I don't know I Don't get it no one knows anymore, but it's a silly little app man, and it's all of them are that was the thing That was what I know I was like because I watched it from the outside and I was like look my value judgment means that I'm not bought in personally to this I don't care So why do I care about all of personally to this. I don't care. So why do I care about all of it?

Well, because of those ones are the cool ones. Yeah, but those are the little, the little, the little, the little, the little, the little bit ones. Exactly. Exactly. No, they're all silly and what we do is meaningless. I saw a tweet from the FDA talking about Ivan Mecton that said, you are not a horse, you are not a cow, seriously y'all, stop it. That's, those are the people

in charge of your country's food and drug administration. Okay, here we go. So listen, the FDA, from what I've seen is an absolute joke and can be bought and sold. Now, that doesn't delegitimize the fact that one should or shouldn't get vaccinated. That's not what I'm saying.

A lot of their suggestions on sugar intake, artificial sweeteners intake, like it's just off, and you can tell they've been basically bought and sold rather than being outright and forthright and telling people how they should, you know, eat and live better lives through the food that they eat. They, you know, allow these. Krispy Kreme donors to give free donuts away to people that got vaccinated.

Yes. And this is one of those things and you'll see it on TikToks. Okay, I'm glad both of these things are kind of coming full circle. There's like friend zone TikTok, okay. And one of them is like dancing with my best friend and it's like, you know, it's a girl and a guy. And they're like, they're about to kiss and they fake kiss and then they start dancing or whatever. And all of the comments are talking about how great of a guy that guy is. It's like kind of the inside joke. It's like, like, let's say the

guy's name is Chris, okay? The comments will be like, my grandma was dying. She was dying, she was on the street dying and Chris came out and gave her open heart surgery on the street. Thank God for Chris or else my grandma would be dead. What did this have to do with the FDA? Okay, so MLB, Major League Baseball,

comments, Chris invented baseball. Major League Baseball, comments, Chris invented baseball. Major League Baseball, okay? So now you see, and by the way, that's a massive corporation, massive, so much money, and they're commenting on a viral TikTok about a kid getting friend-zoned. They're trying to, it is now the usurping of being an actual advertisement, making an actual PSA

that is where we're at right now. The FDA will make a snarky comment on Twitter to sound cool, saying, y'all, y'all are not cows, y'all are not horses, okay? That's where we're at. So you're saying that even the FDA will sell that soul of a clout? Yeah, of course. I wouldn't be surprised if the FDA hops on TikTok and starts making smarmy snarky comments. I think it started with, you know, Slim Jim on Instagram.

No. Honestly, one of the funniest, one of the funniest accounts and no doubt about it has worked tremendously for their advertising. It's like Slim Jim, Taco Bell, all these kind of like funny, they make, they do stoner comedy, they, a great way to promote your brand is comment well.

I don't think anyone's fucking saying that. Everyone listening, everyone watching, write that shit down. If you can make a good comment, it's just as big now. If not bigger in some cases, then the actual content itself. Everyone loves those super threads. Like, KFC goes at Burger King, McDonald's goes at Subway, goes at... Right, but think about it like this, if there's a piece of content, that someone works tirelessly on

and then someone comments something funny, snarky, and real, and it gets 10,000 likes, that took them a fraction of the amount of time with almost as much of the interaction. And so, like, this is where we're at. When is that gonna run out? When is that gonna be less funny? Not yet, not yet, my friend.

When is the FDA gonna fucking make a comment on, you know, doja cats next tweet? And when is it not gonna be fucking funny and funny? When is the FDA gonna start selling NFTs? That's what I want. I want an FDA, a- Depe- I still don't even really know what an NFT is. I've got a point of view.

I don't care, don't explain it to me. I'm rushing it, terrifying amounts of money. Okay. I don't really, I understand what they are. But I think that most people like them in the same way that most people like crypto, and most people like crypto because they make tons of money off it.

It's like, all right, if the ability to make profit from your Bitcoin or your Ethereum or your Litecoin or whatever, if that was taken away, how much would you still care about technology? Because everyone's like, bro, I'm for technology. No, you're not. You're for making money.

That's what you for, not to technology. You don't give a fuck about people in Africa that want to be able to send money back to their grandparents. You don't care about people through in water and countries. What you care about is the fact that Bitcoin doubles every three years.

That's what you bothered about. So just be open about it. I like Bitcoin because when I put money in, more money comes out. Wait, there are people that are saying otherwise, I was unaware of this. Well, there's people that are like, that are virtue signaling. There, there are, there's people that hide their desire to invest in Bitcoin behind a screen that says, I just love the technology. It's all about the blockchain. What I'm really excited

by the potentials, the web 3.0. I want to be able to own my own information. What a crock of horse shit that is. No, you want to be able to own a fucking huge mansion and you think that having a bunch of Bitcoin is gonna help you and the price rises. Yeah. Fuck you. How about that?

No one. Again, why do we have to fucking virtue signal for everything? Because if you were to admit the truth, it would be embarrassing. If you were to admit, I am a red-bladed capitalist that wants to make money by putting my money into this thing. I don't know, I know a bit about it enough to hold a conversation, but I don't really care. I don't really care about what it does, but I want to make money. People, what signals that? No one's going to like

you for that. Of course, you're not going to say that. What you're gonna say is something nice and virtuous that makes you seem good and empathetic. Of course you are. Everyone's virtue signaling all the time. Actually, I did see that by the way, just by saying that someone is virtue signaling, almost you are virtue signaling because you're creating that separation between you and them. I'm not them. Yeah, so I have an episode with this guy called Will's store, which you're gonna fucking love about the status game. So it's all about this, all about how different people play status games. Fucking fascinating, man.

You know that, that, but, um, I honestly, I, some of these things, some of these movies, some of these TV series, I think about all the goddamn time. Well, I, and one of them is that black mirror episode where it's like your social score. Credit score credit score. Yeah That one I think about all the time. I

Really really do. How do you think your social credit score would be? Fuck I think it would be it would have to be high right because just relative to the party watch Well, that's the thing is like that's a huge deduction right there. Yeah. Well What about the porn? What about the porn? What about the porn? What about the porn? What about the porn? What about the porn? What about the porn? What about the porn? What about the porn? What about the porn?

What about the porn? What about the porn? What about the porn? What about the porn? Well, that's the thing is like... That's a huge deduction right there. Yeah. Well, okay, beyond porn is like, if I like a porn star's picture, if I like, if I like a picture

of somebody who has liked a tweet from Governor Abbott. Fucked. I'm fucked for that. Honest to God, I actually saw this thing where it takes an algorithm. They, people who are hiring people, they run your Twitter, Facebook, everything through an algorithm. They see who you liked and who you liked,

what have they liked? And they can give you like this score on the safety of hiring this type of person. Yeah, I saw a guy who got denied a job or a job application or a job review. A bunch of his tweets got highlighted and they printed off the last. Like three years of everything that he'd interacted with, they'd use some similar sort of program that highlighted problematic tweets and problematic accounts that he'd followed So you have seen something similar. Did you see that Rogan is talking about suing CNN for saying that he was using What was it? Horst D. Wormer? I've a mechton. Okay, but okay, but listen he went like this. He literally went like this

Should I fucking should I fucking see CNN dude? Like kind of like that. Very impassive. That just goes to show how powerful that dude's voice is. He opened the show talking about the Dwarmer thing and he goes, shit, should I sue CNN? And like, I don't know, I don't know how serious that was. I don't think it's right.

You know, but don't know how serious that was. I don't think it's what he serious at all. No, but basically, it's really funny because I did see, you know, Philip DeFranco. You know, Philip DeFranco. He's a big YouTuber, kind of like a news guy. And he's just like, I'm so sick of, he goes crazy. He goes crazy on Joe Rogan. And what's funny is,

what does he say? I mean, he went nuts. He was like, I'm so sick and tired of the same shit. Joe Rogan not pushing the vaccine and giving misinformation and all this stuff. And it sounded weird because it's like, did you even watch the full video that Rogan had made? Again, it was so non politically charged.

It was so nice, it was so hopeful. And he had a smile on his face, he was in his back fucking yard. He was like, look, we did everything we could. We sent... Through the kitchen sink at it, we did everything we could. We sent, we sent, I mean, through the kitchen sink on it, we had. Through the kitchen sink at it. You know, I had Ivermectin as well. I had this, this, and this.

I rest it up. I stayed and I feel great. And I'm just really happy to be here and I'm all this shit. And everyone took that and Phil DeFranco himself took that and was like, look at this fucking piece of shit. I'm sorry, if you were to take someone who had just never interacted with the world, just an alien and brought them down here and they watched someone say what they had said, they would have been like, oh, that's completely inconsequential and I just don't give a shit

because it was just so mild. And then they walk away. Is it not the same people that are saying Joe Rogan shouldn't have put this weird stuff in his body because it's a bad virtue signal to everyone else that are also saying, my body, my choice with regards to the Texas abortion law. So, wait, say that one more time? People complaining about the fact that Rogan's he has experimental drugs on himself.

He is in a position of influence and other people may decide to do the same thing. That also say abortion shouldn't be restricted down to six weeks. My body, my choice. Well, we see Rogan's body. Rogan's choice. That doesn't work. Interesting. You've thought about that one, huh? Just come to just just came your mind. Yeah. Oh, man, you're good at this. You're a pro. Just that just come to just just came your mind. Yeah. Oh, man, you're good at this. You're a pro. So Yeah, I mean, that's the always the cool the funniest thing is if you're if you're saying listen I don't want to wear a mask. I don't want to take a vaccine if I don't have to you better be saying You know, you can get an abortion if you want

Because it's your body your choice. It's my body my choice vaccine or not whatever and That is a very, very interesting point. You know? The thing that's interesting, I think, about Rogan's situation is how the press responded to it. So it's the fact that every opportunity for something to become politicized, someone tries to take them for part of his team.

So because Rogan hasn't had the vaccine, the right decided to take this as, this is an opportunity for one of our own to push back against this totalitarian state, the strength of vaccines into our arms and so on and so forth. Every topic is an opportunity to score points. And that sucks, I'm sorry, that sucks. I can't...

When I was younger, I don't think that it was like this. I would like to think so. I would like to remember whether it was or not. Probably because I've been so immersed in what we do now that I can't even remember. I can't remember a world in which it wasn't like this. It's so wild, bro. So I've been watching, I've been watching a turn of the 9-11 documentaries recently.

Yeah. When you see these people walking, going up and down, escalate, there's no one's got a smartphone and you just see these people and they're stood there just holding the handrail and just looking. Okay, just look at real experience. So if you look out of the fucking window and you like,

God these people are psychopaths, what are they doing without a phone in their hands? Here's a surreal experience. And I wish all I have is this one image. So basically, when smartphones started to come about, first there was like Blackberry, and I don't know if did you ever have a Blackberry? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Blackberry message when you be a BBM. Yeah, BBM, you be a BBM. Oh God, that was the shit, bro. That was the shit. But if you lost your phone, you had to get a new one because it was attached to the phone,

it wasn't attached to the number. Yes, you had to get a new BBM. Oh my attached to the phone, it wasn't attached to the number. Yes, you had to get a new BBM. Oh my God. Okay, so even then, when we had smartphones, people weren't on them as much, because Instagram wasn't around, and just going on the internet wasn't fun. It was like, I would Google things,

but it wasn't like, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, like awesome, like swipe up, swipe down, get this way. That was the golden era because you had Groot chats you were able to message girls you were able to send photos and videos Google stuff, but you didn't get distracted with Facebook Instagram Twitter and So there was that It's still the Wild West of the smartphone. I love it, right? Okay, so

then it kind of moves on the iPhone and at one point, I realized that everyone was on their phone. And I swear when I tell you this, I looked up from my phone one day and I saw every single person looking down at their phone, every single person, I think it was either, it was either a bus or an airport Right, because that's what you do in these places and I remember being like wow, this is fucking weird. This is fucking weird Everyone's looking at their phones Old young it does everyone is doing that. That's fucking crazy And I remember for the next year and a half. I'm like, dude, this is fucking whack.

Everyone is looking down at their phone. You know, like the world is going on around you. Oh, this shit. Now it's like, if I don't have this thing on me, when I'm doing anything boring, I'm like, total panic attack. If I see someone without their phone in front of their face, I go, what the fuck is wrong with that person?

Yeah. You know what I mean? But that era, it's really hard to think about, but I swear when I tell you this, there was a singular moment where I finally watched the fucking press a piece of care, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's Christ, the colon was said. It was like one week prior, I wouldn't have noticed it.

That moment and from every day forward, that is our reality. And it's only going to get even more trippy, man. Have you seen, so I will look at this Wall Street Journal article about the declining collidrates for men? Have you seen this floating around? No. Dude, this article is fucking scary. So I've known this for quite a while, but it's really just starting to hit mainstream media.

One of the reasons that it's probably not too popular amongst mainstream media is that it goes counter to a narrative that men are outperforming women and there's this oppressive patriarchal construct that's misogynistically trying to keep people down. Blah, blah, blah. Are people still on that? Are people still on that?

Massively, massively so. The number of men enrolled at two and four year colleges has fallen behind women by record levels in a widening education gap across the US Men are abandoning high education in such numbers that they will now trail female college students by record levels at the close of the 2020 2021 academic year Women made up 59.5% of college students an all-time high in men 40.5% made up 59.5% of college students and all time high in men, 40.5%, according to enrollment data from the National Student Clearing House and Nonprofit Research Group in the US. Colleges and universities had 1.5 million fewer students compared with five years ago and men accounted for 71% of that decline. In the next few years, two women will earn a college degree for every man.

American colleges have yet to reach consensus on what might slow the retreat of men from higher education. I think people are... This could go a number of ways, this discussion. And this is actually, this is critical to where we are in society as a whole. How valuable is an education and what about being a man would provide a man to say, this isn't as valuable, you know, as opposed to a woman.

What about their psychology is saying that or allowing that to happen. And then also, in what way will the media suppress this? You know, if the narrative is, so I'm not convinced that the media can really suppress the stats. Like you can, in within 10 years, as you walk around on campus, you're going to see double the number of women as you do men. I don't know the equivalent for the UK, but in the US, that's going to be the case. Like, it's not about suppressing the stats. Like, there is no suppressing that. Some of the reasons that you could put forward for why this may have occurred is that there has been quite a negative environment for men, generally in the universities.

Quite rightly, women have had to have their spaces be made to feel better. The Me Too movement was like fucking long overdue to call powerful men to account for taking advantage of women. But what it's done is it's taken quite a broad brush and applied that to all men when the research suggests that it's a small minority of men that commit almost all of the sexual offences. This is what David Busce discovered, a evolutionary psychologist that I had on the show, that the vast majority of men aren't sexual predators, but a small number of men commit fucking tons of acts. But if you tar everybody with quite a broad brush, if you make it a little bit of a hostile environment in which men feel quite uncomfortable, then that's not so good.

You've also got the equivalent of affirmative action programs that promote girls' success within high school and within college applications. I'm not sure if you have outright sort of gender discrimination when it comes to accepting it at courses. I would imagine no, but I think it's significantly harder for boys to get through school if you are someone that's more physically minded, if you're someone who's got ADHD, but previously there was so much prestige and status associated with an education that you would be able to, you would be prepared to go through that.

There's a lot of discomfort associated with me sitting on my ass and fucking having to learn all of this stuff. And I want to be outside playing our play fight, you know, building something or doing whatever, but I'll get through it because the college is going to be worth it. And yeah, now two to one females to males within the next 10 years at college. That is crazy. Two to one. Yeah.

Every college. Here's the thing. And I think I might have talked about this on the last podcast that I did with you a year and a half ago, but colleges in America, and for those who are listening in the UK, in the rest of the world, colleges in America are unlike anything you've ever fucking seen before. What do you mean? And all you have to do is go to a collegiate football game to understand exactly what

I'm saying. They make millions of dollars off ticket sales per game. They make over hundreds of thousands of dollars from anything from like selling apparel to food. TV rights, millions of dollars. All of this in as a way, you know, think about it like countries, what they do for the Olympics to kind of flex their prowess without actually having to go to war. This is what colleges are doing. And if you don't-

To show that prestige. Yes, yes, and it is a war. It is an all-out motherfucking war. And there's a conference called the SEC, which is the Southeast Conference, and that one is the most powerful one, as far as money, it's ridiculous. Well, it's got to do with men and women in college. Well, it's basically the importance of college isn't what we think it is.

There's so much of it as like we have, so I can speak from a perspective of someone who lived in an area a college station where Texas A&M is there are 60,000 undergrads, 60,000 people at a school. That is ridiculous. The amount of money that goes into that school, how much prestige is there really when there's 60,000 other people doing the same thing you are. Now mind you some of them are engineers, some of them are medical students, trying to get law degrees, that's a different, you know, altogether. But what we have is this massive money making industry, trying to coax people to get into these colleges and go to college and maybe take on debt,

when the reality is there's not much prestige anymore. And maybe there never really was, but it's kind of starting to be exposed. The cut is slowly away and it's, I don't know. So you saying that girls, that men have seen the light and taken the red pill and collagen girls have still got the wool pulled over their eyes.

Maybe, honestly. Because think about how, think about how men interact with the internet and how it may be different with the way women do. You know, if, you know what, and this is again, this is, we're talking through it here. This is all I think.

I think that you're actually onto something here. And the reason that I do is that for a long time, women were told the culture and the powers that be told women, you have been oppressed for a very long time. The only reason that you're able to get a job is that you've got to fight your way up there. This is something that you shouldn't deserve. The only way that you're able to get an education is because you've had to, so what that does is the subtext to a lot of females is I, the only way that I can get this is if I really deserve it, it puts it on a pedestal, it adds prestige to college, fake prestige, that now, like,

when you're talking 59% to 40% of 60% 40, basically, in terms of the ratio, like, it's obvious that it's not as difficult for girls to get into college anymore, but because you have this sort of lagging measure that's all of these sort of tradition, traditions in terms of culture, that people have still got that in their mind.

A lot of girls may still have the idea that I shouldn't be allowed to go to college. It still is something of prestige. This is me standing out. I think that there's something to that. Yeah, so they're coming from a place of like, not vengeance, but this motivation, that they're behind, yeah, that they're behind.

And this is their way to be in front. Yeah, that's definitely possible. You know, it's gonna be multifaceted. It's going to be something that is encouraging girls to go. It's going to be something which is discouraging guys to go. So here's the fucking, here's the implication, man. So David Bus, father of evolutionary psychology, he wrote in 2015, he wrote about the challenges you have

when you have an asymmetry in terms of education between men and women, okay? This is something that he said, quote, we must look deeply into a mating psychology to understand the far reaching consequences of the sex ratio imbalance. So that is when you have a disproportionate number of one sex to another in an area.

Women and men have both evolved multiple mating strategies, some of the gender pursue casual hookups, some committed partnerships, some alternate at different times of their lives and some do both simultaneously. And although a few social scientists deny the data, research overwhelmingly shows that men harbour on average a greater desire for sexual partner variety. Shock. Men experience more frequent sexual thoughts throughout the day, have more sexual fantasies involving multiple partners and readily sign up for online dating sites for the sole goal

of casual sex. So a surplus of women among educated groups, cater precisely to this dimension of men's sexual desires because the rare agenda is always better positioned to get what they want on the mating market. So what you see in colleges, where there is a surplus of women and a scarcity of men is more casual dating because the men get to make the rules. If there are fewer men than there are women, the women have to compete and the only way that they can compete is by playing the game that the men want. Conversely, in a college where you have more men than you do women, you have more long-term

relationships because the men have to play the game, that the women won. A surplus of women amongst educated groups, Kate, is precisely to this dimension of men's sexual desires because the rare agenda is always better positioned to get what they want on the mating market. Roll it forward a little bit. You now have two thirds, two one third, educated women to educated men. On the whole, women don't want to date a man that is less educated, less rich and lower status than them and also one that's shorter than them.

You are going to have an ever-increasing group of women competing for an ever-decreasing group of high-performing men. The men that sit below them don't win anything, so that there's more in cells, there's more underperforming men, white-collegers, women don't want to date blue collar go at blue collar guys. And most of the women, even the ones that went to college, they're now competing for this tight group of chads at the fucking super performing rowing chads at the top. And the only ones that win are these fucking turbo weapons, the nine out of 10 and 10 out of 10 guys that have got MBAs, the ones who are able to outperform intellectually, socially and, uh, intermonitorially,

the women, they're the only ones that are left that are able to date. So nobody wins except for Chad. Chad falls. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Why does it always have to be, okay, but I was, if it's two to one, all you have to do is make it into college. And you got two to one odds, baby That's it. That's not hard. Go to tech getting into Texas A&M is not hard you and I could right now

Take whatever test necessary and get in Texas A&M. Sorry. I apologize to anyone. That's actually not true I think it's actually pretty prestigious school. I would let's say like Because you live in you don't want to be you don't be berated by them on the street. No, okay, let's let's do Louisiana. I've heard from I've heard from people at LSU. You just have to sign your name on a few tests and they'll let you in. That's what I've heard from from from people who have gone to LSU and bind you. I'm not not this is okay. So what I got from this and I why I was smiling while you were talking and I didn't want to interrupt, but I did at some point was all you have to do then in 10 years from now is just go to college and the babes are going to come at you.

Here's one for you, man. The difference in right swipes on Tinder for a guy with a master's degree versus a bachelor's degree is I want to say 90% more. So you get 90% more right swipes if you've got a master's degree versus a bachelor's degree on Tinder. This is in John Burgers. Anyone that wants to fact check me, this is in John Burgers' date dynamics. I honest to God, I'll tell you right now, I don't understand women.

I just don't, not in the sense of like, oh, I don't understand them, they're stupid. It's like, no, no, like I literally thought that I might have an inkling of an understanding of what a woman thinks. 90% of what a woman thinks. I don't. Stick about for one year. So if you've got your bachelor's degree

and you think, do I want to stick about and do this master's? That look, man, it's a year of your life. It's going to be a bit expensive. You're going to have to work hard. But dude, 90% better conversions on Tinder for the rest of your life. That's what they should put on the enrollment thing. Fuck the course. Doesn't matter about the course. You get to have 90% better conversions on Tinder. Dude, if like all that these schools need to do are start making snarky

comments on TikTok and then promoting their programs and promoting their programs with stats like that. Hey, if you enroll now, there's a nut and you end up graduating our course. There's a 90% chance that you will get more swipes than someone who does it. Come on in. I'd go. I would probably go to. I did. I did. I did get a master's. I did it for not for that reason, but it worked out. Yeah. Fuck man. Yeah, it's a mess.

It's a real fucking mess. And who knew? Who knew that you're going to have all of these hyper educated, hyper rich babes walking around just dry as the desert. So that's what you do. So that's what you do. So that's what you do. Is that, is it, you know? Is that, is it sucks for everyone? It even sucks, it sucks for women, sucks for men.

The only people that win are the high performing men. But it's not high performing to get into college. If it's two to one girls. No, so women want to date up and across. So it wouldn't just be guy with a college degree, it's usually equal or above in terms of state of education. So if you, fucking if it if this continues to happen and you have women getting like masters level education at some insane rate,

the guys that want if they do want to sort of play that game, they're going to have to continue to to fucking what you're saying. Because women women are the sexual gatekeepers so they always determine the minimum level that it goes at. The difference is obviously when you're on a college campus that's got a surplus of girls or anywhere. So I think New York City has far more women than guys and you see the same thing there that women adopt more male dating strategies because they need to play the game that men are playing.

Yeah. Focked. It's very, very fucked. And I think that just online dating is again, we're at a period now, it's like the loading screen for online dating. You know, there's the Wild Wild West, which I love that term.

When Tinder came out, boy was that shit fun. I was in college that year. It was so fun. Dude, I remember. No one really understood it. I remember being on Tinder and running out of swipes in the middle of a city. That's how few people were on the app.

Yeah, yeah. That, it wasn't because you actually ran out of swipes. It was because like there wasn't, there was no one less. Yeah. And that was fun,ipes. It was because like there wasn't, there was no one less. Yeah. And that was fun, dude. That was really fun. And now we're in this period where it's like, okay, now the rubber is hitting the road, so to speak.

And we're trying to navigate what it does to the human mind to have that many people say that they're interested in you. And what I mean, that many, I mean they're interested in you. And what I mean, that many, I mean, like 50 to 100 on one app, whether you're a girl looking for a guy, a guy looking for a girl or a... So guys don't get that many swipes, typically. On average, most guys get almost no swipes.

Almost, you mean, almost no like matches? Correct, yes. Yeah, so what happens though, if like, if a girl or a guy has four or five even, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, I think if you do it long enough, there's a chance that you can get up to 10, I would say. I know women have hundreds. I know they do. I've seen women have shown me their abs

and just like, and it just goes on. What is that? What does that do to one psyche? Do we know what it does? Do we understand it yet? Or are we still in this loading screen? Are we still kind of just determining where we go from here? 50% of couples last year met online.

Right, and that number's gonna keep going up. 50% of couples met online. You know that number's gonna go up next year, it'll be 60%. Right? Are we capable, is our brains capable of understanding 50 different people and determining which mate suits us. I don't think we are. I don't think we just being exposed to this many people is so weird. I think we talked about this maybe we have talked about it in passing

because you and I talk a lot, but the fact that we are exposed to so many interactions on a personal level. So if someone comments, man, this video is awesome, Chris, you make great content. Seriously, I think you're a great guy. Let's say there's hundreds of those on a one video which by the way is possible and it has happened for you. That amount of positive interactions

is not okay for the human psyche. It's not okay because what does that do to your ego and then as soon as someone says something negative, what does that do to your ego? You know, how ill equipped is your ego to take on one negative thing because you get hundreds of positive things a day. Now take that into the dating space. You have a hundred matches. What does that say about how you're going to interact with a potential mate in the future?

What are you going to do when someone is actually suited for you in real life, but in your pocket, you have a hundred other suitors. I don't know if we're ready for that. No, no, not in short. We're not humans aren't designed to fucking consume the entire world's news in real time 24 hours a day. Of course we're fucking not. Like all of this hypernormal stimuli just fucks everybody up, but it's here to stay. So this is the thing, like for a long time, 24 hours a day. Of course we're fucking not. All of this hypernormal stimuli just fucked

everybody up, but it's here to stay. So this is the thing, like for a long time, I got really irritated. I still am. I feel bad about my phone use, even if it's half an hour a day, because I usually in retrospect don't enjoy the time that I spent on my phone. I wish I'd spent it in a different way. And for a while, I remember sort of fighting against it and thinking about how I could make the world a different way. And for a while, I remember sort of fighting against it and thinking about how I could make the world a different place. And now it's more like, okay, this is here to stay.

How can I accommodate the things that are happening? How can I accommodate this technology into my life? How can I have rules and procedures and values and virtues that keep me right around this? It's like walking down the street, being someone that is potentially a heroin addict, walking down the street and having to actively avoid needles, like that's kind of the situation that we're in. Because in our evolutionary ancestry, it would have

been very, very useful to have got more information. Information was quite scarce. There was maybe 100 people in your tribe, 70 of whom were actually fucking useful and interesting. So, what we did, there's a guy that was on Sam Harris's show and he talks about the fact that we're information forages. So, he says that we were constantly on the lookout for information. In the same way that squirrel forages for food, we forage for information. And typically information would have been super fucking scarce. Like, if you've ever spent an amount of time around people

without any distractions or phone or connection to the outside world and it's a small number of people, after a while you kind of, unless they're interesting people, you kind of run out of stuff to say. And you're like, I've heard that. That happens to me on dates. That happens to me on dates. Some dates end up going on for like four, five,

six hours. Yeah. Just kind of because we don't really have anything better to do. It's like, if I end the date, I'm going to go home and get on my phone. Yeah. So it's like, we're here, we're whatever. Let's just keep talking, whatever. The city in silence and start to walk. We just don't have anything else to talk about. Yeah, so but what we what we've got now is all of this information. Oh, that that might be useful. That might help me survive. That might help me reproduce. And none of it does.

None of it does. It's fucking it's clapped, man. But dude, Zack Talender, ladies and gentlemen, thank you, boy, where should people go if they want to check out your stuff? Go to my YouTube channel, just my name, Zach Talender, also go on my Instagram, coach, underscore, ZT. I have a Patreon and there you can find weightlifting programs and general strength programs for super cheap.

What else? That's probably it. That's it. Oh, I have a subreddit now. That's sick. Yeah, so I've got a subreddit I've got like I think like 1500 people on there. Yeah, that's awesome Yeah, so if you if you go there too, there's a bunch of in cells talking about way lifting. No, they're good people I really like them. Yeah, I love it. My cheers Thanks for having me.